What Do Americans Think of ‘Socialized’ Medicine? | NowThis

[@KianBrose]

I used to think America was great, but honestly the more I learn about it the more I want to stay away from it

[@fatherson5907]

Please do

[@breno855]

People from there come here to Brasil to have treatment so yeah

[@philipe1502]

I mean it's not people fault their government works in a certain way. What deeply annoys me is the lack of information and compassion in that country.

[@KianBrose]

Philipe d. I think of America more as a company that profits on its citizens more than a country itself

[@fatherson5907]

Philipe d. What deeply annoys me is ignorant people like you who don’t respect other people’s values (bigots)

[@geisterfahreruberholer2171]

Seeing this america has two problems: - no state-funded healthcare - huge lack of education

[@labaccident2010]

Geisterfahrerüberholer as an American, I wholeheartedly agree! I haven’t gone to college also because I can’t afford it, but I’d honestly much rather just get textbooks and learn on my own.

[@westero7796]

@@labaccident2010 that's a good very good idea. soooooooo....... JUST DO IT

[@Leicht_Sinn]

Nice Name

[@AndrewCurtis57]

Geisterfahrerüberholer Most of the population of the USA have no idea of what happens outside America. Most don’t even know where Europe is! 😐

[@profblack]

The younger people in this video do seem to be reasonably well educated on the matter and know that they aren’t getting the service that they should be entitled to. The older citizens however are very much set in their ways and can’t empathise with someone who is less fortunate. One of them said that everyone needs to look for well paying jobs with healthcare benefits but not everyone can have a job like that. Perhaps employers need to do more for their employees but the government should also be setting a higher standard.

[@sambarrett3059]

The more I learn about America the less I want to live there.

[@useruk7330]

Quiet G u literally described my childhood

[@mouloudaourtilane3262]

@@quietg3712 try canada, i'm sure it's gonna live up to your expectations of what you thought the us would be like.

[@oasis4life014]

The healthcare puts me off.... nhs is amazing

[@useruk7330]

Mouloud Aourtilane too cold tho 🥶

[@quietg3712]

@@mouloudaourtilane3262 Went to Nova Scotia with my girlfriend. Had a brilliant time. The people were hilarious and very much like us which makes sense because I'm from Scotland, Nova Scotia means New Scotland and was founded by the Scottish.

[@kayreb]

Had to go to the ER with my fiance while we were in Ireland. He didn’t want me to call the ambulance for him because he was scared of the cost, as we aren’t particularly financially stable. The cost turned out to be €0. The US is messed up.

[@fatherson5907]

All funded by other people because you two are broke bums.

[@mrhpijl]

Breaking Bad in Europe: Walt gets cancer Cancer treatment is free and he’s allowed sick leave from work Walt recovers The end.

[@Leicht_Sinn]

@@michelr8817 well you forget free education you get and what if you had a serios injery? US if you have not the good insurance you have to pay a ton of money compared to Europe where you pay only a part of your income i mean if you are eaning quite less you could apply for social support for paying less

[@mrhpijl]

@@calebf3655 but in order to pay the to surgeon he still needed the money he made from meth ;) And given that we have accessible healthcare over here that also won't bankrupt you, his chances of survival would've been fair

[@onee]

@@calebf3655 Actually that top surgeon would be free.... Is it that difficult to grasp this concept.

[@onee]

@@michelr8817 Stop lying. I know many people who moved from Europe to the US. And they all pay triple or quadruple the amount they used to pay in Europe. Yes, it isn't "free" but it's a lot cheaper. The main problem is, American hospitals are incredibly expensive. An ambulance ride which is "free" aka paid by your health insurance in Germany is €600 ($650). That same ride in the US is $2700. Giving birth is $10,000-$30,000 in the US. While in Germany it is €1500-€2000 ($1640-$2180) which again is "free" aka paid by your health insurance. Health expenditure per capita in the US is $10,586 (2018). Which makes it the most expensive healthcare system in the world. In Germany, which is the second most expensive healthcare system in the world, it's $5,986 (2018) per capita. And in "communist" France it's $4,965 (2018) per capita. Making it the fifth most expensive healthcare system in the world. Which is still less than half of what is spend in the US.

[@mrhpijl]

@@michelr8817 I'd rather pay some more income tax and VAT if that means that thing like healthcare and education are affordable or free. If university sets you back 30-50k a year and simply giving birth costs north or 10k, you only give the priviledged access to services that are meant for everyone. I support capitslism, but some areas require government intervention and need to be publicly managed. Healthcare and education are one of those areas. What kind of country do you live in when many people that get sick are stuck between avoiding treatment and possibly dying, or selling your house to take the treatment or possibly bankruptcy? In the US, you might be a patient or student, but you're a customer above all else and that idea is sickening

[@19maurice66]

"I hate paying taxes" *Pays thousands more in insurance fees*

[@VictorECaplon]

Yep, should have mentioned that to them.

[@jasonbyrne8487]

@labcoent co Yep, she was morraly bankrupt...

[@jasonbyrne8487]

Horrible people who don't care about the less fortunate members of society, they don't want to have to contribute to help others, I thought that is what a civilised society does...

[@relentlessmadman]

@labcoent co yes the easiest why to eliminate poverty is to let the poor die! Was Jesus Christ a not capitalist?????? !!!!

[@jakobnordal7432]

Probably gets it from His job

[@Mendaz]

The contrast in mentalities by age is so stark

[@abelis644]

It blows my mind!!! I'm 60, and Canadian, we have universal health care of course. That older woman was an absolute moron!!!🤦‍♂️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♂️ Unreal...

[@germnbill]

The dialects also kind of hint at certain political standings, although I do have a lot of southern liberal or democratic friends, which is to say I don't want to stereotype.

[@colmcgillveray1010]

@@germnbill She was a Daughter or the Confederacy for sure!

[@rageraptor7127]

leicanoct then tell us who does?

[@glynnmcneill1875]

@@abelis644 sadly when she realizes it's cheaper she still defends paying through the nose.

[@huananina]

Different topic, but still mentionable: As a European woman who's been on international dating platforms, whenever an American man texted me, they automatically assumed that I'd be dreaming of living in the US. They didn't even ask, but started talking about what we could do together, once I've moved. The shock and disbelief they showed when I told them I'd not want to move to the US was actually really offensive.

[@fatherson5907]

You’re on an international dating platform? Humorous how pathetic and desperate women from the EU are. Thanks for the laugh.

[@Brozius2512]

Don't bother, Father son is a liar and a troll. He's a butt hurt American who cannot stand that other countries have it better than the US.

[@huananina]

I can't read your replies. :(

[@Brozius2512]

@@fatherson5907 The average age of a medical bankruptcy filer is 44.9 years old. 40% of Americans fear they won’t be able to afford health care in the upcoming year. 17% of adults with health care debt declared bankruptcy or lost their home because of it. 66.5% of bankruptcies are caused directly by medical expenses, making it the leading cause for bankruptcy. As of April 2022, 14% of Americans with medical debt planned to declare bankruptcy later in the year because of it.

[@bicyclist2]

I'd move to Europe for a woman.

[@dylanbyrne1265]

Americans would literally rather pay more and cover themselves, than pay less and cover everyone, that's selfishness on a whole other scale.

[@Torontopia]

That blows my mind!

[@trainerkai1313]

Ikr. As an American, I am disappointed

[@87Wayne]

Sure it's great when someone ELSE is doing the paying.

[@dullicecream]

These people are adding more bad stuff to our name :( people already don't like Americans we don't need more to dislike about us

[@PabloGonzalez-hv3td]

@@87Wayne That's the fundamental concept of insurance too

[@Alice-ib4cz]

“Anything that’s free is not worth having” - someone in a country where they don’t stfu about FREEdom

[@shayantamdas5059]

Lmao right on point dude

[@bartdoo5757]

Freedom is not and has never been free. It is constantly being fought for.

[@nicosteffen364]

@@bartdoo5757 Yes but not in a physical way! There are always, mostly rich, people that want to take your freedom, fighting in that case means, not giving up! It means vote for the politicians that doesnt want to take your freedoms and gives you more freedoms! Btw, is gun control taking away your freedom? Actually no, in the US its only meant to be making sure that no criminals and insane people get guns! Look at other countries, less killings, but almost as many guns around as in the states! In my country, germany, there is a strict gun regulation, but there are almost 6 million guns out there! You just need a need for it, if its being a hunter, sports or safety! As Taxidriver i could ask for a license, i have to learn the laws, make a test, get checked and then i can buy one, it costs money and i have to lock it up but i can carry it in my job! Btw i have a gun, a P99, but just the version that is allowed for everyone, a blank gun, as long as i only have it at home its allowed, when i want to carry it i need a so called small gun license, less restrictions and regulations but to fire it there has to be a danger for my life. Canada has as many guns as the US, but less problems!

[@hejalll]

But free =/= Freedom.

[@EnormousDuck2]

that sounds like some ultimate statement of capitalism (and basically stupidity, since oxygen or love or whatever is fkin free)

[@nicosimioni7363]

"Socialized Medicine" or, as we call it in the rest of the world, "Medicine".

[@miclic1217]

But unlike Canadians we can get a CT scan in a couple of days or on the spot in the case of emergency. My buddy wanted 12 months in Canada. And un like the UK the US will do anything to keep a child alive, the UK will let them die instead of trying experimental treatments. Don't believe me it happened last year.

[@saturdaycovers6954]

Michael Settles I’ve lived in both the UK and Australia, both countries have universal healthcare. I can tell you as someone who has experienced government healthcare firsthand that I am very grateful and pleased with the healthcare I have received. I have also never heard of a case where British Hospitals allow children to die when something can be done. The NHS is not perfect and waiting times are quite high but I would rather wait than die and to have access to MRI scans, consultation appointments and specialist appointments as well as operations for next to nothing is amazing. That’s not to say that you can’t go private, but to have a universal healthcare for a reasonably poorer family cannot be understated. Of course there’s pros and cons but in the UK and Australia, you can choose to go private or public, so you actually have more freedom than in the US, where you have to go private. People are dying in the US because they can’t afford healthcare, how is that acceptable? You guys need to do something about it because it’s frankly embarrassing.

[@Bucketheadhead]

Michael Settles “We”...you mean people with insurance and/or money? Here, everyone can get a CT scan. If you want one really quickly and you have the money, you can pay privately. The difference is if you don’t have money you still get the scan. Also, you read the Fox News version of what those sick child cases were about.

[@TruongBui16]

Any wait times are because of the triage system. They will treat people in need of urgent care first. If you're not going to die from what you have then you can wait. The people in need of life saving care will be treated before others that are in a life threatening situation.

[@MichaelsTightPants]

@@miclic1217 the case you refer to had many experts from around the world say it wouldn't work or could cause more suffering to the child

[@quippy8402]

For those who said "NO", just wait till you have a need to seek extensive health care services and get your medical bills.

[@stevenclarke5606]

Especially when you either don’t have insurance or you’re not covered? Why are these people so Stupid?

[@Remembrace]

​@stevenclarke5606 they're not stupid. They are brainwashed

[@sarahspindler2914]

They'll still say no because they're brainwashed.

[@Predator-zh9zp]

​@@Remembracedude they have no critical thinking its pathétique

[@BK01012]

America: "socialized" healthcare Rest of the world: healthcare

[@ClaudeMagicbox]

BK0101 02 ‘Murica: social = bad! ‘Muricans: let’s pile up by the hundreds and swallow gallons of liquor...wooooooo!

[@Kyle-kc8cw]

Rest of the world huh...you mean Europe.

[@Biobele]

@@Kyle-kc8cw in Nigeria there's free primary healthcare and people give birth in Government hospitals for free except the hospital runs out of anything and can't get it on time before you give birth so you may have to pay for that yourself out of pocket. Many other African countries have something similar free mosquito nets, free drugs for certain diseases that are common. Many drugs can be bought for 0.15usd in the pharmacy in Nigeria that's impossible to find in the U.S of A

[@Hatypus]

@@Kyle-kc8cw No, almost all of the rest of the world in a stable enough position to

[@gauravkulkarni6120]

@@Biobele Exactly even here in India ..all kind of treatment in government hospital is pretty much free, if you are under certain income range. And if talking about medications ,I would say India is probably cheapest place to find medicines.

[@asdunlavey]

"Anything that is free, sometimes it's not worth having." *This is an ambulance we're talking about, Pauline - not a loan shark.*

[@joeallen7172]

Americans already pay a lot in taxes for healthcare in fact they pay over 3 times as much per capita for healthcare than Canada. Yet over 500,000 Americans go bankrupt for healthcare related reasons every year and healthcare is by far the main way in which people go bankrupt

[@ian1352]

It's also not free, as in no-one pays for, but there is no charge at the point of use.

[@asdunlavey]

@@ian1352 True but considering that healthcare can be the difference between life and death, not needing to worry about paying upfront is much better. An upfront cost is how people die from not being able to afford insulin or refusing to visit a doctor until their condition worsens.

[@VenturePictures]

People like her are the issue ...

[@livedandletdie]

If it's free it's not worth it is true. And Socialized healthcare is far from free, it's far from cost effective, it's far from societally beneficial, it's far from being good in any way shape or form. Sure I don't think healthcare should be extremely costly either, but it's only extremely costly due to the massive conglomerate corporations who own the medication industry and health industry, and that's globally. Deal with those things before trying to destroy every good hospital out there by ruining them.

[@avarose__]

"Anything that's free, sometimes it's not worth having." *Does that go for brain cells too?*

[@jantonio55]

I know lol. I couldnt believe it when she said that.

[@katrina200577]

😂😂😂

[@WCamden]

Nothing about the nhs is free

[@coolfred9083]

Applies to fortnite

[@chuckymcnubbin1518]

I seriously doubt she had any clue as to what was being asked and I seriously doubt she even realised what she said.

[@donei132]

I cannot believe how selfish those two older ladies were. America, you’re broken.

[@NoNameToYou]

We know. We know. ☹️

[@catmando4914]

The one woman talking about getting a job that provides health care, is way out of touch with reality.

[@Therealtruthsocial]

The media, Politicians and corporations have brain washed Americans into thinking they have great health care. The fact that a lot of these people have never read about health care in other countries is shameful! The same entities have made people think that Global Warming is a hoax. It all has to do with greed!

[@dfdf-rj8jr]

Lmao dude Australia is a toilet compared to the US. Keep coping though

[@commandbrawler9348]

@@dfdf-rj8jr australia is way better then the us of a

[@pikachuisshook2795]

"Would you like basic human rights?" AnD wHoSe GoNnA pAy FoR iT?

[@thompoz7114]

US: gun rights > human rights.

[@miguellazarogil935]

Well, let me tell you that it is a very important question. In my country we have free health care and it is great but then you look at the job offers and people here earn a lot less then in the US. If it was only health care it could work out but trust me, once this starts, many other things will be controlled by the state. I would prefer to have to pay $100 for an insurance while earning $300 more than what I do now

[@isaacjacobharris]

@@miguellazarogil935 how is paying for insurance going to let your earn $300 more

[@justincarlozmaxino1100]

@@miguellazarogil935 The pay disparity is because of the US having a larger market but that market is about to collapse friend because it is propt up in fake revenue. Your better off taking a long lasting fullfilling job out of the US with stronger stable economies. You will never know how long it will be until the next bubble pops and you are jobless again but it is clear the bail outs are getting closer and closer to each other as time moves.

[@AngelEmfrbl]

@@miguellazarogil935 If you have a major health implication and can't work, you will be paying more per month then you can afford.

[@finnjons3792]

"What do you think about socialized healthcare?" "I don't like the government telling me what I can and can't do." Excuse me, how is that connected?

[@Nickbaldeagle02]

The government already tells them what they can and can't do.

[@rowo175]

Finn Jons socialism and communism are like the most scary and evil thing to them

[@Nickbaldeagle02]

@@rowo175 American police have already embraced communism. They use the most brutal over the top violence with no provocation and arrest people who aren't committing any sort of crime.

[@sr.nobody8585]

Nick Baldeagle what are you talking about? Communism is an economic system, perhaps you refer to authoritarianism (?

[@3DRiley_]

In her defense, compulsory social healthcare means you have to pay a monthly percentage of your wage, so the government would tell them that they have to pay (or tell them they can't not pay). What she doesn't get is that although she might not need it most of the time, she will be thankful for that one time she has a stroke or other medical emergency. And people usually get sick a few times a year, so there is that.

[@rustcrayfish7675]

paying 900$ a month to insurance: "good" "capitalistic" paying 40$ in tax a paycheck (80$ a month) for free health care and not having to pay a copay each time you see a doctor: "unfair" "communist"

[@fatherson5907]

Except nobody is paying $900 per month. You’re ignorant and uneducated.

[@rustcrayfish7675]

@@fatherson5907 the average price of health care for a single person is 400$ if you are covering more then one person such as a spouse or yes Child (or both) it will multiply buy how many people you are covering

[@fatherson5907]

@@rustcrayfish7675 yes, $400 is not equal to $900

[@rustcrayfish7675]

@@fatherson5907 however the average household is 2.53. So for just 2 people it cost 800$ and that’s for basic coverage that doesn’t include add-ons like free doctor visit and copays and that can put it above 900 or even 1000$. I’m not saying a NHS would be the greatest thing ever it has it’s flaws just like everything else however. The US needs this option for lower class family’s who can’t afford health care and need assistance and also so that the Insurance companies have competition so their monopoly ends

[@fatherson5907]

@@rustcrayfish7675 so the amount of taxes they would be paying would be double. There is no such thing as “free” healthcare. Only idiots believe that. Low income families get full coverage through Medicaid. You have no idea what you’re talking about. While your beloved NHS is completely failing against the pandemic, you fools are obsessing over the internal affairs of the US (which have no impact on you at all). Mind your own business, Karen.

[@brotherelf]

What blew my mind is when I found out insurance doesn't cover every hospital or ambulance service provider so there's a good chance you'll still be on the hook. .

[@Nieaqop243]

Woman: If it's free it's not worth having. *Oxygen: I'm about to end this whole woman's career*

[@arantkjeld7058]

Don't they know, that the PD and FD are paid through taxes??

[@peteryoungpeteryoung965]

BRAINWASHED!

[@Justine0588]

Just a crazy old witch

[@paranoid9678]

ah well i likr my free air to breathe you know :/

[@arviduebelacker]

Stephanie B At least it's easy to rip off such people

[@jellyegg1843]

That old woman heard the word “social” and turned off right then. Not worth speaking to people like her.

[@avianpegasus3335]

Too proud and stupid to listen or change her mind

[@intercity4553]

social media must be communist propaganda!

[@moreplease998]

@@intercity4553 I have come across a fair number of them who seem to genuinely believe that

[@revanruler6404]

agreed just let them die from the covid

[@jeece711]

@@cacapopocaca4842 Actually you don't have. Demography is in favor of young people. They must go vote, be heard and take the power that legitimately belongs to them!

[@aaronconway4435]

"I don't believe that our government should be responsible for providing all of us with health care." The 1st and only priority of a government should be the health and safety of its citizens! What does that woman think the government should be responsible for?!?!

[@ChristianYoga]

They be like: it's freedooommmm!!11!!!

[@Alan-hq6ei]

My eyes rolled so far back into my head when she answered that 🤣🤣🤣🙄🙄🙄

[@platogkrone7161]

@@Alan-hq6ei My eyes rolled so far back into my head that it severed my optic nerves, and now I have to get surgery to mend them. It's good that I don't live in the US, or I might have been screwed.

[@littlestone1541]

Probably building border walls, deporting brown people, and providing militarised interventionism to other countries that haven't asked for it... but certainly nothing like education and health care! 😂

[@CesarMartinez-wi7wc]

Killing terrorists obvi

[@Nick-kz6dg]

Karen: “People need to look for jobs that provide benefits.” Also Karen: “WHY WON’T YOU FLIP BURGERS FOR PENNIES? YOU’RE SO UNGRATEFUL!”

[@fatherson5907]

Groomer: why don’t you pay my bills. I don’t want to work!!!

[@Brozius2512]

@@fatherson5907 New York declares a state of emergency over polio

[@jmgirard7]

Finds work but employer cuts hours so that they don't have to pay for benefits: "Well F me, I guess."

[@zeyadsaeed9580]

​@@fatherson5907 Anti-Groomer unless the groomer is a priest and Christian. Just like evangelicals. Talk all Christian and all mighty but will not be for feeding children in schools for free.

[@wmoros4902]

@@jmgirard7 "But youll be working just 2 hours less at 38 hours a week! its basically fulltime but we strip of you insurance and benefits because we dont care for you!"

[@James_taylor810]

Getting a child delivered in Australia cost $7 for parking.

[@eland65]

Plus gas...

[@James_taylor810]

@@eland65 ok, fair point, that should take the total to $8.13.

[@eland65]

@@James_taylor810 nah, ups's rate would be like 375, american...

[@adraen5942]

@@eland65 XD I laughed way too much at that

[@SirKenNorth]

@@James_taylor810 yeah that's too much, gonna pass on that.

[@dorinebatchakoue29]

Everyone in Europe pay taxes, just half of it don’t go to the army like in the USA. It’s not about paying more, it’s about knowing where that money should go first

[@julienpastis3355]

Dee Dee exactly, just look at the budget of the us, health care and education are just a joke. How to kill the poor 101 and having dumb and easily manipulated youth... it’s scary

[@frostbite3820]

At the very least we need to stop the 700 to 1000% price gouging that would be a great start.

[@alexmikhylov]

@@julienpastis3355 but it's the youth that advocates for universal healthcare and other social policies.

[@dmannevada5981]

Under our progressive tax system, half the population doesn't pay federal taxes. Would that be true with Scandinavian or European countries...NO! The problem is not the military budget, the problem is that if people want to receive Health Care, like Scandinavians and Europeans, they're going to have to contribute to the system...hello!

[@le4ieme]

@@dmannevada5981 under your progressive system, people die because they can't pay. We pay taxes that go back into healthcare, retirement plans. Everyone pays for everyone. It's cheaper to get a gun than to have a baby and you want to talk about a "progressive" system? Education must be f*cked up too then

[@aaronvalero3217]

American: Do you like to pay taxes? Any European: For universal healthcare? GOD YES

[@8is]

No, the right exists in Europe too you know.

[@johanuuu8448]

Not "any european".

[@jorgemtds]

@@8is But he spoken of EUROPEANS in the first place.

[@Ninjaananas]

@@8is What right?

[@henrybaker818]

Not just EU and Canada. There are many others like Australia and New Zealand.

[@MultiVeeta]

I find it sad how the US is full of such self centred people.

[@dfdf-rj8jr]

Why do you care what happens in the US?

[@alisonwilson9749]

@@dfdf-rj8jr Because your foreign and trade policy affects he rest of us. Because we're sick of you telling us how wonderful you are. etc.

[@Alex_186]

“No society can legitimately call itself civilised if a sick person is denied medical aid because of lack of means”. - Aneurin Bevan MP, Minister of Health (1945-1951) founder of the National Health Service (NHS).

[@vforvendetta275]

That's pretty meaningful as well. Post WW2 and swimming in Lendlease debt, rebuilding bombed cities the British still came up with the NHS.

[@GewalfofWivia]

Technically... Americans aren't "denied" medical aid, but rather given an impossible choice. Appearances must be kept, you understand.

[@rextransformation7418]

Amen.

[@cuac5869]

John Lu lmao true

[@kristoffersparegodt420]

John Lu. Incorrect. That’s how the 17 yo died from Corona in America. People do get denied in the US

[@giteausuperstar]

Imagine not calling an ambulance because you worried about the cost. The US is a joke.

[@darthjarjarbinkstherealsit6832]

I'm sorry, is this some sort of US joke I am to European to understand.

[@synashilp]

To quote a tweet: "If I get injured, you better call me an Uber. I'm not about to pay 5,000 dollars for a trip in the wee-woo wagon."

[@devolution13]

it's actually really sad

[@Bloodclotzzzzzzzzzzz]

Every American with health needs knows not to call for emergency transport. Helicopter transport though? It's a laughable amount of money.

[@Suchen_Wahrheit]

Land of free you have all the choice. Poor me gotta call govt ambulance, with a response time of 5 mins inside City. They don't even let me to pay for it, in Austria.

[@bellsTheorem1138]

Notice everyone who is agaisnt it just assume it is more expensive. Never researched it.

[@betsywilliams3666]

Or knew someone from another country or lived abroad themselves.

[@Ibrahim-vx5kq]

Ikr they think America is great,lmao 300 dollars for an inhaler just so you can breathe normally,I'm an asthmatic and in the UK,there is no argument to say it's better to pay 300+ rather than just 12 dollars for the prescription or none if you claim certain benefits

[@rochester212]

It's because uncle Sam and the corporations have been using anti-healthcare propaganda in the US for the last ~80 years?? People are so scared they refuse even to think about it.

[@cypher_22]

@@Ibrahim-vx5kq I'm from UK and pay £0?

[@Ibrahim-vx5kq]

@Ali Barsnack 3k a year is a lot less than the money i'd have to pay under the US healthcare system

[@iloveplayingpr]

Unfortunately one of the reasons why the concept isn't happening in the US is because it is opposed by those that profit from it the most, and they certainly do it without caring or blinking of the lives its paid with.

[@wmoros4902]

I hope with time itll change, theres been a shift in idologies regarding health and work systems in the US with age, just gotta wait for people to die at this point lol. I just want more speaking on the health of the gereral public and treatment of citizens, but we matter none to corporations, and we have no say unlike they do.

[@jfoz7602]

Imagine having to pay for an ambulance. Jesus Christ I can’t even get my head around that.

[@deathnote939393]

Here's 911, would you like to pay with credit card or cash?

[@idontlikewind.554]

“Help my dad has had a heart attack” 999: “Oh sorry looks like you don’t have enough.”

[@jeremyself6984]

@@deathnote939393 unfortunately, that's not how it works. They pick you up, go to the ER, you sign stuff before or after saying you'll pay, then they send you the bill to pay up. So they might help you, but you probably took years off your well-being due to your new debt/bankruptcy. And often times, if you need an ambulance you're not going to be in a position to refuse or get alternate transport to reduce some of the bill.

[@rowo175]

I am a Foreigner . Called ambulance in Spain stay hospital for 3 days only cost 100 euro food poison . Thanks god has mercy on my soul I didn’t get sick when I was in USA

[@jadiecakes3241]

@@rowo175 when i was in america in 2015, i got the flu, so went to the hospital for some medication (i was on a tour they suggested going to the hospital), $2500 to see a nurse.... i was like.... i can see a doctor back home for free (or private for $75). Thank god for travel insurance is all I can say!!!

[@momoluvsappa]

I was travelling and an American was talking to his friends about visas and wanting to prevent too many immigrants from taking over their system. He noticed I’d overheard and said “sorry, no offence.” I was confused and said “mate, I’m Australian. Why would I ever want to live in America?” He was completely baffled by my comment - didn’t take it as a joke and laugh it off or anything like that. He was just completely puzzled. A few days later, at the same hostel, he asked me what I’d meant. I explained about our Medicare system, our minimum wage (we call them penalty rates) system, compulsory superannuation, minimum leave entitlements and additional loading on holiday pay, preferential voting system, etc etc etc. What was curious is that he wasn’t mad or argumentative, just completely dumbfounded. His entire life he’d been brought up to think that everyone from around the world dreamed of living in America. He didn’t understand that the absolute majority of the West views the US as an experiment, not as a model. He had fallen for the lie that everybody craves what Americans have. Isn’t it genius? What a way to keep a population controlled while believing that they’re the freest. Giving them absolutely no dividends, and make them believe they’re grateful for it. An ingenious kind of prison.

[@DYKWINNING]

I concur. As an USA citizen I would rather live in Australia. But USA is #1..... In military spending. Complete and utter waste of tax dollars.

[@ianstafford8716]

American Exceptionalism is still believed by many US citizens. The US would be a much better place if this was not the case.

[@matthewclements5558]

Wow; that’s so true. Well observed.

[@kevindam1946]

@@DYKWINNING Not only are we #1 in military spending, we are #1 in bankruptcies and financial ruin caused by insane healthcare costs, we are #1 in school shootings and other gun violence, we are #1 in incarceration rate of our own citizens, we are #1 in lobbyist spending, #1 in sugar consumption, and many other terrible things. Not to mention #1 in COVID cases and COVID deaths. Meanwhile, we are never #1 in positive things. We are #16 in human development (HDI), #19 in citizen happiness (World Happiness Report), #52 in how free we are (World Liberty Index), and #27 in education.

[@vaIentinerose]

DYKWINNING they still don’t have the best special task force tho, and I oop

[@marcsoler299]

Watching these kinds of videos just makes me realise how lucky I was to be born in Europe

[@brosquito7483]

It's pretty cool to be able to travel around Europe with just your ID. Passports are for loosers.

[@brosquito7483]

1st butthurt, keep 'em comming, ladies.

[@omegaRST]

@Mario yes it's totally pathetic to see a society making a combined effort to save thousands of lives while other nations cant even agree on what to do about the crisis and end up doing nothing

[@emc903]

@Mario UK more like EwK

[@mingmingandmikki]

I’m born in Thailand, a developing country and I still have way better healthcare than this.

[@optimistic_cynic]

This is literally the main reason why I insisted not going to the hospital for an MRI after my first car crash. I only had whiplash and months of back pain minimized through yoga and careful stretches, thank god I didn't have anything worse. I remember everyone including the paramedics just staring at me. I remember my mom on the verge of screaming at me why I refused to go to the hospital. Idk if they thought I was a madman, but I guess I am - mad with the system I live in. It honestly upsets me how many people view the current healthcare system as the norm. Everything is so outdated, from healthcare to schools. It's like hyper-monetization and -competition is the only thing to look forward to.

[@billpercy6354]

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson was treated in the same ICU as a black student who didn’t have to pay for his/her treatment. The student can go on to live his/her life without healthcare debt. That’s ‘universal’ (not socialised) healthcare, and it’s an accepted concept in the civilised world.

[@daverhoden445]

This comment right here should be on 24-hour broadcast on every channel the US has access to.

[@burntgod7165]

This is not the concept in the civilized world. Most European health systems are insurance based, with some public funding. And they are ALL superior to the NHS according to the Euro Health Consumer Index. The Dutch always top the rankings. All their hospitals are privately run. Imagine the screeching in the UK if that were the case here. Germany too, where it's private/public funding that provides healthcare. These countries are more interested in a good health care system rather than some ideological, nostalgic tie to the past.

[@babushkalol]

@@burntgod7165 Where did you get the info that Germanys hospitals are privately run and that the system is mostly private? I am German, and this is the first time I'm hearing this.

[@oriontigley5089]

@@burntgod7165 Would you please be so kind as to provide links to back up your claims, eh?

[@burntgod7165]

@@babushkalol I meant to say Dutch with regards hospitals, sorry. Dutch hospitals are run privately. I did not say the German system is mostly private, I said there is a combination. It's about 25% private (that means insurance-based), approx. If you mentioned an insurance-based system in UK, people would go nuts despite the best systems (like Germany) being either entirely insurance based or a combination of insurance and public funding.

[@rileyhall2181]

That lady saying ‘they need to have a job’ in order to deserve healthcare blew my mind. Does she not know disabled people exist? Or does she just not care?

[@bochiebochie]

That's the American Dream! If you're rich, you succeed. If you are poor, just go somewhere else and die.

[@daverhoden445]

Maybe she thinks McDonald's provides health insurance?

[@ameykarade9432]

@@daverhoden445 😂😂😂

[@vicktoria4864]

she doesnt care that other people have different living situations. their selfishness really stands out in these debates, i think selfishness can cause america to fall down if they keep acting like other people dont matter

[@arjunaich5399]

Old people irritate me for this reason so much.

[@squawkknife2582]

Reporter: “What do you think if ambulances were free?” Person: “Sometimes if something is free, it’s better not to have it” Ok no ambulance for you then.

[@Klaratchi]

translation: I would rather you be dead

[@natty5861]

its not free in the uk im British

[@loch502]

@@natty5861 Ambulances? I'm pretty sure they're free mate.

[@5calambres]

@@natty5861 What are you trying? That no British people are here to call you out? I am not a citizen of the UK and i still got free treatment in hospital after a accident.

[@pluckybellhop66]

We're so used to the high cost of healthcare that the idea of a free ambulance sounds too good to be true lol

[@CartoonDrama44]

"Individuals need to look for jobs that provide benefits." Yes, but by definition, a large proportion of US jobs don't provide good benefits. Does it mean people working these jobs don't deserve healthcare?

[@MF-qf7bs]

It annoys me to no end that foreigners whose countries cover their healthcare costs, don't respect the fact that pharmaceutical companies (don't know if it's the same for health insurance co's) are making up the losses by charging Americans more to cover them.

[@nevillehoward8736]

​@@MF-qf7bsThat is not true. Yes, there are costs to make and provide pharmaceuticals, but these are nothing like the amounts charged in the USA. What is charged in the USA are super profits.

[@derniederrheiner4518]

@@MF-qf7bs LoL! The companies take what they can get. And in the USA they can demand more. Even with what they get paid in Europe, they're not starving.

[@Axel-yb3vd]

"Anything that's free, sometimes it's not worth having." Ma'am it's an ambulance ride not a cheap cookie sample

[@TheManwithaview]

Ma'am, would you liek this life saving treatment, it's free? No thanks because it's free it's not worth having. Machine starts to flatline beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep Oh well another dead Republican...

[@chinggiskhan6678]

@@TheManwithaview This has probably happened.

[@TheManwithaview]

@@chinggiskhan6678 Sadly, I agree

[@Dougiewoof]

Well I guess there goes free public (libraries, School /school transportation, parks, services like fire and satiation, and the hundreds of other things paid for by taxes)

[@TheManwithaview]

@@Dougiewoof I ask people if they vote, yes I vote, who do you thank for your right to vote? Silence. Socialists that's who. More silence....

[@LilyShimizu]

“I don’t want the government picking what I can and cannot do.” Okay but you want private insurers to do the same thing instead??

[@shellieeyre8758]

And at higher cost!

[@DarthRayj]

@Yoster Schnauss I have pretty decent state insurance because of where I live and how much I (don't) make, and I have so much more choice and opportunity for healthcare than I did when I was under my dad's insurance it's crazy- oh yeah, my dad works in healthcare so he has always had "good" insurance too.

[@edwardjames6023]

True

[@edwardjames6023]

@@DarthRayj That's scary, but it is because doctors recieve more money and bonuses for taking in people with government insurance, so a lot of them leave their doors open

[@Andrew-it7fb]

@@edwardjames6023 that's definitely not the case in the US with medicare. Doctors receive less from medicare.

[@nitinpathak9982]

We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. ~ Plato

[@theopinion9452]

Dang!

[@DuBaas007]

I would give you another like, but i kinda like how many you've got atm.

[@revival45]

Bro, just like bro.

[@cosplaymemories1487]

Truth!

[@vonaonline]

Woah!

[@MegaJacko4]

It's a very big part of British culture, this sence of togetherness that Americans don't seem to grasp. Everyone who can afford it pays for the NHS no matter how small or large a contribution so it is available to everyone even those who can't afford it. Everyone has a duty to eachother not just to themselves and that's such a large part of what it means to be British. We look after our own. Always have. Always will.

[@katep8982]

Well said, the NHS can also buy medication in bulk so we only pay £9. US citizens are vulnerable to inflated drug prices. The NHS works but our government have not been investing in it sadly.

[@aclem8246]

Yes Brits sure look after their own. I have never seen a nastier bunch other than Australians when it comes to gossip rags and bigotry.

[@jordannewman177]

Except when your money is going to violent immigrants who don’t contribute anything to your country and are actively trying to destroy it all while taking advantage of those systems. Britain is being killed from within on purpose.

[@dfdf-rj8jr]

Yeah and yet way more people move from the UK to America than the other way around. Your country is nothing but America's largest aircraft carrier.

[@alisonwilson9749]

@@dfdf-rj8jr High time we told your military bases here to bugger off, especially now you have trump again.

[@alextygesen3101]

To this date I still don't understand how a country like America can consider themselves a true 1st world country with a free-for-all mentality like this.

[@CorporateShill66]

They are brainwashed, and many are just dumb.

[@shachingmongmarma828]

@@CorporateShill66 you can't brainwashed people who already have no brain

[@BlazinNSoul]

America has never been a first world country as where have you been. :/

[@Abyssinian97]

its literally globally recognized that America is a first world country lol

[@adamflynn7322]

@@Abyssinian97are you actually this dumb or just trolling?

[@sandramariaca78]

Older people and non urban communities need to be more informed about the reality of healthcare in the USA. Also, to that woman who said people should find jobs with benefits, she needs to show us where are those employers.

[@silverpairaducks]

This is why we need to take away their rights

[@shersmk90]

That woman is sooo dumb... rich and dumb...

[@tacobellcall911]

Every full-time job I've ever had gave me benefits and Costco gives you benefits part time . But it still should be free

[@jaredmackey4511]

Sandra Mariaca I think everyone realizes healthcare sucks here, however, I still don’t want to work to pay for someone else’s care. I work to give my family what they need

[@shersmk90]

@@jaredmackey4511 So if you need a transplant of blood or organs and you can't getting it from your family, you decline?

[@kookookat7182]

anybody else notice that the older generation were the only ones who were reluctant about the idea of free health care? Lets hope that mean newer generation will step up and make health care better for future generations.

[@samanthapeters8314]

A millennial American told me before social media Americans didn't understand universal health care. But when social media came along people (mostly young) in America have been able to talk to other countries about universal health care.

[@kookookat7182]

@@samanthapeters8314 I am a millennial American and I can confirm this! I didn't know free health care was a thing until my mid 20's, so I can see how many Americans go about their lives never hearing about it. We aren't educated on how other countries are run or what policies they enforce, so it's easy to to just go about life assuming that this was normal for the rest of the world. Unless you seek out the information yourself, you're not likely to hear anything about it. I'm happy to see awareness being brought up about it though! Hopefully that means change is around the corner.

[@rasmusjensen8271]

@@kookookat7182 another shocker, where I'm from the minimum wage for a 16 year old is a bit over $10 and if you work in the weekend it's about $13-14 or more. The highest I was ever offered at 16 was $16/h for doing dishes at a local restaurant/hotel

[@kookookat7182]

@@rasmusjensen8271 !!!!! What the heck! When I was 16 I worked multiple jobs as a cashier and never got paid over $7.35/h! When I got older I got a job in an animal hospital helping run the kennel and even that only paid $9/h. I worked there for two years and never got any sort of raise or benefits. Quit and went to a different kennel and they gave me $10 for having previous experience, worked there another two years and still never got a raise and benefits were only offered if you worked a certain number of hours. So in the coarse of 4 years in a job field, I have only been able to gain $1 an hour.... You are blessed my dude. I'd gladly wash dishes for $16/h!

[@rasmusjensen8271]

@@kookookat7182 we also only pay 8% Tax on the first $4700 or there about. Once you're 18 you earn about $19/h or more depending on the job(and that's uneducated jobs like cashier, waiter, barista). Once you're 18 and study the government gives you aid. When I went to our version of college I got $890 a month from the government just for studying, I lived by myself and therefore got more than my friends who lived at home, depending on their parents income they got around $100-300.

[@CH1LDOFTHEMOON]

These people against 'socialised healthcare' forget they have 'solialised military/police/ fire brigade'!

[@fatherson5907]

Police and fire brigade are funded municipally. Stop obsessing over our healthcare. Fix your own system.

[@Brozius2512]

Don't bother, Father son is a liar and a troll. He's a butt hurt American who can't stand that other countries have it better than the US

[@suptumberlumbertumberlumbe9305]

It's unfair to make people pay for situations they have nothing to do with

[@Brozius2512]

@@suptumberlumbertumberlumbe9305 So you don't want the fire brigade to help your neighbours out when their house is on fire? How selfish of you!

[@dfdf-rj8jr]

Why are you so obsessed with healthcare?

[@pratiti1749]

The first two women are basically: I have the money so others can die.

[@doconomolo6892]

Americans would be quick to say that American hospitals can't refuse treatment. But after treatment the patient would receive a huge bill. Patients have to face a choice of death or debt.

[@austinsworldtour8748]

Survival of the fittest.

[@TjerdavanEijkelvanhetSchip]

I can't believe how selfish these women are! 😲 Let's hear from them when the husband left them for a younger version and they have to work and still aren't able to pay for there healthcare (I wanted to say Botox, but it's clear to me they do not get those 😂)

[@γιουργια]

@@austinsworldtour8748 yipee, social Darwinism/s

[@autohmae]

Which is crazy, because they also would be paying less. So it's even in their own best interest. Not even talking about other people having healthcare helps prevent something like the current coronavirus spread. Not everyone has a US $ 3100 lying around to get themselves tested.

[@octopiarejustwetspiders]

"Do you like the idea of socialized healthcare" *No* "Have you ever avoided treatment because you couldn't afford the cost?" *No* Okay, so it seems that the people who are against universal healthcare are the ones who can afford it and don't care about the people who can't.

[@noxious89123]

"But why don't poor people just get more money? They must be stupid!" I think is pretty much the attitude.

[@mr.g797]

You're comment is literally GOLD!!!!!!!

[@licensed_beheader]

@@noxious89123 don't call a poor man stupid alright it's disgusting alright never even call a rich man stupid unless you know them well you don't know why they are in their current situation it's pretty ignorant of you to say that.

[@rvoloshchukify]

She was clearly lying just to make a point. She literally knows people who wouldn’t call the emergency, so how is that not avoiding healthcare?

[@speedydog45]

@@noxious89123 "Stop being poor"

[@TheOrlandoTrustfull]

"Sometimes anything that is free, is not worth having" That woman just wants to be right. She would rather drive herself to hospital with two broken legs, than get a free ambulance ride? Get the f**k out of here.

[@gratver]

Seems like a legit Trump voter to me tbh. ;)

[@nmdsy]

Sometimes social healthcare can be a pain in not-so-rich countries. In my country people whine about long queue lines and the quality of provided healthcare all the time, but honestly I would still choose it over the way its done in the USA.

[@dfdf-rj8jr]

Adjusted for purchasing power parity, which includes cost of healthcare, USA has the highest median income in the world

[@phalanx-it]

"Anything that's free, probably isn't worth having"... Said no-one ever, having been involved in a car accident on a motorway (interstate) in the middle of nowhere and been collected by an air ambulance with full paramedic crew and flown A&E, given lifesaving treatment, surgery, accommodation, TV, WiFi and a daily menu for food for £0/$0 - and even a ride HOME in an ambulance if needed. 'I know I'm wrong saying it, I know I'm lying when I say I don't know anyone who's avoided treatment due to cost but 'Murica so whatever'....

[@fatherson5907]

The sad thing is that you’re so uneducated that you actually believe all of that is free. Over 6 million in England alone are waiting *years* for surgery. Years. I’ve never known anyone that waited for surgery but ‘NHS is pride of the UK’ Lucy Letby is a hero 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Brozius2512]

Don't bother, Father son is a liar and a troll. He's a butt hurt American who can't stand that other countries have it better than the US.

[@Menntes]

Most Americans have such a selfish mind, instead of paying more in taxes to help everyone they would rather pay thousands of dollars because they don't like the word "taxes"

[@neutronalchemist3241]

What Americans fail to understand is that they are ALREADY paying universal healtcare through taxes, without having it. Medicare and Medicaid costs 6.62% of US GDP, British NHS costs 7.1% of British GDP.

[@mushmush4980]

I don't think you're an American, since the majority are in favor of socialized healthcare here

[@lincolnduke]

@@neutronalchemist3241 And it's shite. If you get an urgent reccommendation for cancer treatment (assuming you get to see a doctor) there's a 20% chance you will not see a specialist within 9 weeks. And it only gets more expensive.

[@dylanroper6446]

@@lincolnduke It's underfunded purposely so it can be privatised.

[@jessicareutercastrogiovann5796]

I'm an American, and I would pay 50% of my income right off the top if it meant no one had to worry about getting health care. I've had to skip appointments, cancel labs, and let medical bills go to collection because I just can't pay them. It's a very common thing in my country; the only people I know who haven't experienced that are people who have been consistently upper class.

[@Lenny-ue8hk]

"they need to look for jobs that provide benefits" not very easy when companies actively try to avoid having to provide those benefits.

[@lizcollinson2692]

I gotta admit, it defeated me when I found that a paramedic didn't get healthcare from his job.

[@glens18account]

But what about all the people who have jobs that don;t provide healthcare? You know only so many jobs are available. What is she really saying, that every job which cannot pay or enough or provide you with healthcare should just stop existing?

[@dougowt]

And millions of Americans just lost their jobs over the last couple of months. That woman has been brainwashed by the BS coming from some of the bought senate and tax-dodging billionaire owned media

[@James-yk3hk]

Admittedly this was like 10 years ago I learnt this so it may have changed, but I remember in school we had a lesson about the american insurance system for healthcare. We watched some documentary about it and there were people whos literal jobs was to find loopholes in your insurance policy so the company didn't have to give you the treatment you were paying the insurance for. So even if you work covers your insurance you still might not be in the clear lol

[@kornkernel2232]

It seems like she got a job that provide those benefits and now blind what the reality is. Maybe directly benefiting from this system and prefer to stay with this status quo. Or just plain blissfully ignorant and hard headed. Seriously, not everybody has the same privileges and opportunities in life. Not everybody can get that job that offers those benefits, and there are many companies seems actively avoiding paying it as well. Her mentality is simply pure selfish.

[@star42]

That women is the face of what's wrong with the United States right now: Placing pride over self-preservation.

[@cathl4953]

And talking about individual responsibility and government regulations with little understanding of how it works

[@rivertwygzbed543]

@@cathl4953 Also humanity didn't survive living alongside Woolly Mammoths, Sabre tooth tigers and 20 foot sloths or outlast Neanderthals through rugged individualism, humanity thrives when we cooperate.

[@Chukwu1967]

You mean ignorance over everything else

[@AnthonyGibbsRTA]

@@rivertwygzbed543 this is why we made the Neanderthals go extinct, they were not as social as our ancestors but they were stronger, smarter and able to withstand extreme weather conditions.

[@rivertwygzbed543]

@@AnthonyGibbsRTA Stronger together

[@christo123]

The old lady in red was a real piece of work

[@ahmede8946]

Lady: "It is not the job of the government to provide healthcare" THAT IS LITERALLY THEIR JOB

[@damianeadie510]

If not - then why is it their job to carpet bomb countries who have the wrong politics? It doesn't make sense to me that you can justify 'defending' a country from tin pot dictatorships with oil fields (and prop others up) while not defending people's health at home.

[@MortalVildhjart]

I would love to ask that lady, what she think´s the Governments Job is. And also what she thinks of people who simply are born Impared and can´t get the Job that they would need to proivde themselfs with the Itmes of need.

[@tompain2751]

No.

[@laurensd.l.2717]

She'd much rather sponge of her husbands insurance and call it her own accomplishment of being provided for. It's called 'the american way' Laughable

[@ArpanMukhopadhyay93]

Seriously!!!

[@sharxx112]

The fact that they said "best selling inhaler" just sums up the entire system

[@timaustin2000]

Yup! Inhalers in the UK are dispensed according to effectiveness and nothing else. The NHS sees a cheaper option that will do the exact same job to the exact same degree? You get that.

[@nicbing2598]

make a MEAL of it ..burger,fries & coke..a HAPPY MEAL ..KING SIZE..save 2 dollars !

[@alundavies8402]

@@timaustin2000 and that thing that they call economies of scale that would be why British people get expensive medicine for the nominal price unless they are disabled and can no longer work and then the medicine costs nada Nish nothing

[@blessed_lana6965]

Your health, Their wealth.

[@AD-df5tm]

Let me sum this video up Old person: "I don't like everything about universal healthcare" Interviewer: "everything you 'know' about universal healthcare is wrong" Old person: "well. I'm still agaisnt it"

[@shoelacy7101]

Some people willfully ignore facts just so they can be "right"

[@wilmaknickersfit]

Spot on. When the woman said something along the lines of free things are not worth having, I thought she'll never understand the concept of universal health care provided by taxation. The basic problem is the differences in the personal taxation systems in the UK and USA. I'm glad I live in the UK.

[@10aDowningStreet]

Ok boomers. Basically the only reason they don't like it is their own ignorance. Come ot the UK, you will struggle to meet anyone whe would rather scrap the NHS, other than conservative politicians who want to chop it all up and sell it to their billionaire friends .

[@Kj16V]

This sums up most old people's attitudes to everything.

[@10aDowningStreet]

@@Kj16V Yep, and that is change = scary & bad

[@whittark111]

I love how the guy who does have access to healthcare asks "do you want to pay taxes (so others can access healthcare)?" Actually, yes I do. Many of us are privileged to live as well as we do. With privilege comes responsibility. And healthcare shouldn't be a privilege. It's a right.

[@fatherson5907]

So why aren’t you voluntarily paying extra taxes? You’re just an entitled Karen. Declaring something a right doesn’t magically make it free. Pay your own bills, KAREN.

[@gabrielflaubert5881]

You don't need the government to ask more taxes from you, right now you can go and donate 50% of your salary to charity every month. What's stopping your sOLiDaRitY?

[@whittark111]

@@gabrielflaubert5881 drama-rama. no one is taking 50% of US paychecks.

[@wmoros4902]

The funniest part of it all is that the taxes for healthcare in most countries is miles less than paying for insurance, so no matter what you are still losing more money to get treatment in america insurance or not

[@dfdf-rj8jr]

Adjusted for purchasing power parity, which includes cost of healthcare, USA has the highest median income in the world

[@impossibleThinqs]

“if it’s free, it’s not worth having” - that woman strikes me as one to currently protest their rights of “freedom”.

[@peterbense5650]

Hopefully she's out marching right now.

[@Gone1229]

It shows how good the american brainwashing works.

[@leophyte9663]

@@Gone1229 Nah, Trump getting elected shows how good the american brainwashing works

[@triciasimpson8054]

Just to clarify it is not free it is paid for out of taxation, it is free at the point if delivery there is a difference, also the tax contribution is considerably cheaper than insurance.

[@90AlmostFamous]

Wonder what will she say if she won a million dollars lottery 🤣

[@Dan-B]

Older Americans: “I don’t want socialized health care” also older Americans: “Don’t call an ambulance, I can’t afford it” The cognitive dissonance is real..

[@hikaru9624]

I find the idea of not dialing 999 (I live in Scotland) for an ambulance when you absolutely need it insane! I do understand why that's the case for some folk over there but that really shouldn't be a thing. I guess I'm just to used to having that safety net should I ever need it.

[@GorinRedspear]

When I'm in doubt to call an ambulance, it's more like "can they get here and back faster than I can get there?" Works for minor stuff. When a friend got a piece of iron in his eye (literally stopped by the back of his skull) we were more worried about how to explain to the ambulance how to get to where we were, than about how we were going to pay for it.

[@jairoagudelo6843]

@assassinlexxlol nobody dies in the Uk for waiting for a doctor...but instead annually 50k Americans die cuz they cant afford doctor...let that sink in...

[@Shrooms-gud4ya]

@@jairoagudelo6843 American (mostly Republican voters) : Well...it is the survival of the fittest isn't it? Rest of the world : ..and that is why we don't treat you seriously outside the military

[@XionXIV243]

@assassinlexx if it's that serious they will let you straight in

[@Artahe]

"It's much less expensive" "Oh!" "What do you think of that?" "I still prefer to pay more". Lady...

[@harrisonkelly8280]

stonks

[@diana6echo]

she's def trump voter...

[@ZerloxGaming]

@@diana6echo 100% she will complain about mexicans stealing her money later that day xD

[@MightyJosh1985]

Here in Australia we pay 2% of our taxable income into Medicare. It covers everything from cut finger to full cancer treatment. Here is an example only recently in my home state of Queensland. A man got attacked at a boat ramp by a crocodile in a remote community. He got first aid by the Ranger who found him. A helicopter flight to Cairns hospital (The next big city) a 45min flight and full treatment that day. Zero cost to him other than his 2%

[@colonelfustercluck486]

same thing in New Zealand (minus the crocodiles!)

[@dfdf-rj8jr]

No one cares about Australia. Alright, mate?

[@dancemaniaco]

Many want to live and work in the USA because consumer goods are accessible, in the rest of the world everything costs twice as much, due to taxes, in the USA the taxes are minimal, but for this reason the state does not protect you in anything!! !

[@MightyJosh1985]

@@dancemaniaco take it from an Australian. I have zero intention of living in America. Even with the higher cost of living. Our universal healthcare. Safe society with low crime. Near zero gun violence, Trumps a few cheap groceries

[@alisonwilson9749]

@@dancemaniaco Twice as much? £4 for 30 eggs here today. How much in the USA?

[@mollyonyxbox]

If it’s free it’s “not worth having” lmao what does that even mean? Ambulances are free in the uk and they are definitely worth having

[@readmylisp]

She's been brainwashed ..murican is best .....even though she has no idea how other countries operate health care.

[@Charlotte-wx4jz]

That lady is also the one that said she was still for individual medical care when they compared the price of prescriptions in the UK and the US. Like she was proving a point 🤦🏻‍♀️🤣

[@iplaygames8090]

Shes onto smthing. Her organs are free maybe she could geve em away.......

[@andrewmirror4611]

I mean, in Russia we also have tax paid healthcare, and it's like... the worst, it is related to our government being so corrupt and incapable, they don't pay doctors enough, they don't provide hospitals with essentials, during this pandemic almost all hospitals reported of not having even surgical masks, and they are being opressed by the government because they report. But from an outside view, if someone wanted to create a narrative of Russia - bad, We - good, it could seem like "it's free, but it's not worth having" On the other hand seeing the US establishment politicians, I would expect that if suddenly they implemented a tax paid healthcare, it would go by the same path it went for Russia, and would be not worth being for free. In Russia we seriously don't go to hospital unless we are literally dying. Not because we are afraid of costs, but because we are afraid of not getting any help, or even requiring even more healthcare because of that healthcare

[@readmylisp]

@@andrewmirror4611 Are you sure you're Russian ? You command of English is impressive.

[@nighthasfallen456]

My mother has a chronic illness. If we were American, she would have died years ago and I would have grown up without a mother. Thank you NHS.

[@henryphilippeaux3566]

Because... they wouldn't have been able to afford treatment?

[@ArchangelSteve]

@John Galt Because we can do the maths.

[@Widdekuu91]

Oohh I recently thought about that too. If I lived in America, I would've been messed úp. No way that there would've been care for my leg, for my mother's cancer, for my trauma, for my autism-needs. I would've probably been homeless at this point. Homeless while caring for a stray cat, or dead.

[@Carlium]

I'm also glad to live in Europe, I live in Norway. In Norway, everyone has the right to healthcare and other stuff. Everything from education to healthcare is free up to 18 years of age, after that you pay a small fee for everything (depending on what it is of course), except necessary treatments / operations, and I'm happy with having to pay taxes as an apprentice.

[@MrMerzi007]

@@Carlium Karen say if everythings free thats not worth to be have

[@elinnilsson6875]

”They need to look for jobs that provides benefits.” Is like saying. ”The poor people just have to stop being poor.”

[@makoaki9071]

Let them eat cake.

[@milomhoek]

@@makoaki9071 Qu'ils mangent de la brioche

[@RuRaynor]

I bet if you asked her "should employers be forced to provide healthcare benefits?", she'd say "absolutely not! I don't think the government should tell business owners what to do!"

[@fajaradi1223]

isnt that obvious? if your homeless, just buy house If you jobless, just get a job

[@ciarantc7881]

If you're depressed just stop being sad

[@geoffbarker8402]

I love how you managed to interview every boomer in my hometown at the same time.

[@megapangolin1093]

Boomers should want free healthcare, you end up using it a lot when you get older.. That old woman hasn't had to call in her insurance big time, wait until she does.

[@tashazalinski5250]

“No society can legitimately call itself civilised if a sick person is denied medical aid because of lack of means.”

[@karlwalters3763]

Well said.

[@jedrzejjanuszowicz9678]

So you gonna force a doctor to work because someone has a right to his labour?

[@MoogleMoger]

@@jedrzejjanuszowicz9678 doctors quit in Venezuela to become taxi drivers because they made to little lol

[@Arkaelis]

@@jedrzejjanuszowicz9678 Doctors are still getting paid you know? That's what universal healthcare does. Everyone pays into a fund and that fund is used to compensate medical staff and pharmaceutical companies. You thinks companies like Bayer exist because no one in Germany pays them for medicine?

[@BigAlCapwn]

@@jedrzejjanuszowicz9678 What if I told you that most of the civilised world had already developed a system whereby the healthcare is free at the point of use to its citizens, but also pays the doctors for providing it! I know this must sound like witchcraft to you, who it appears can't understand anything more complicated than the barter system.

[@theuniquebean]

The two older women are just so brainwashed. I don’t understand.

[@blackwatch6649]

In two words: Fox News.

[@cheese84567]

That's boomers for you

[@jpw6893]

Neither do they

[@RanjithKumar-bc6ev]

Boomers, man!!!!

[@jadenaaronbrown1232]

Black Watch there probably from well off families so never had to worry about healthcare costs

[@wdpm6424]

The question “Have you ever avoided healthcare due to the cost?” Should not be something that can be asked in any developed nation... It shows which government takes care of its citizens

[@lincolnduke]

The government does not care about it's citizens, and it's incredibly stupid to rely on that it should. You dont rely on the provider of any other service to work for you because it really cares about you.

[@jakemitchell7786]

@@lincolnduke I suppose you build your own roads then, have never gotten public education, have never received any form of welfare, have never gotten services from a corporation that receives grants (which includes pretty much all health insurance companies), have never required a 911 service or law enforcement in any fashion (also never been near any as they act as deterrents),have never used products from a subsidised industry(e.g. agriculture), have never used any consumer, tenant, citizen rights laws (basically have to live in the middle of nowhere, growing your own food, building your own house, crafting your own clothes since those are all gov't regulated), never been in a building designed to comply with gov't safety standards, etc. You're pathetic.

[@dagamingbeast8327]

@@jakemitchell7786 LOLLLLLL you tell him bro

[@ashddd]

@@lincolnduke the whole point of a democratic government IS LITERALLY to care about you. That is the job description.

[@henrikfitch4017]

@@lincolnduke Who cares more about you. A country that relies on people's well being to be able to fund it or a business that only wants to increase profit?

[@jadexplores2100]

This is a huge part of the reason why I am considering moving abroad. As an American I make a decent salary but I can’t retire early because I would not be able to afford health insurance so as long as I’m living here I need to continue working for employer sponsored health insurance. At least until Medicaid kicks in in my 60s. I want to have at least some years to work a job I want to work, not to have to work a certain kind of job because of the insurance tied to it. I know there is no perfect system, but I would much rather pay higher taxes than deal with the possibility of 6-9 figures of medical debt destroying an entire life’s worth of savings which happens to SO many Americans here. I’m 43 now; pray for me that I can move abroad (likely to Europe) one day.

[@ProtocolAbyss]

If you haven’t moved already I’d recommend countries like: Switzerland, Norway, Germany, the UK and Sweden. All generally have decent to perfect English speakers and have outstanding healthcare.

[@jadexplores2100]

@@ProtocolAbyss Thank you. I haven't moved yet but honestly the country I was considering is Portugal. Although I will look into the others you have mentioned. I have a very sick parent now that is disabled and doesn't have savings or insurance (they're in a very bad nursing home) so I've been trying to navigate that situation most of this year and it's been extremely challenging. Wherever I move to, it has to be somewhere I can afford to place a full-time caregiver in the home with my mom and I as I can't afford it here in the US. I spoke to a few agencies in Portugal and they were able to give me good costs for placing full-time in-home (actual live in) care, so this is currently my biggest consideration for moving. Thanks for your response.

[@ProtocolAbyss]

@@jadexplores2100 Oh those were ones off the top of my head. Others I’d include on the list would also be Italy, Spain, France, Portugal and Canada too. And also no worries, I hope your family gets better and that you guys will be okay! I hope other there in Portugal you and your mum will do well, take care!

[@jadexplores2100]

@@ProtocolAbyss Thank you so much!

[@EmmaPlayzRoblox]

@@ProtocolAbyss I don't know if you still respond to comments, but would New Zealand be an ideal place to move as well? I'm thinking about moving there.

[@farisfaikar_r]

"Anything that's free is not worth having." Well oxygen is free so its not worth having it I guess

[@Vinkie]

It's not exactly free, when your socioeconomic status in part determines the quality of the air you breathe, and the complications you get as a result.

[@MrMerzi007]

Yo Karen had interview

[@petermirtitsch1235]

@@Vinkie except it doesn't. Under the NHS everyone gets the same level of care. You can still go private if you want to.

[@TobyBanci]

Kardz22 we pay the same amount of taxes as USA but our taxes go to nhs, yours goes to trump’s golf trips

[@jomc20]

Healthcare is not free because everyone earning over $15000 pays for it through tax ('National Insurance') but it is far cheaper than in the US because almost every operation is paid for regardless of cost. ER, ambulance, blood tests, hospital visits are all free. Doctors do not have a vested jnterest in keeping you sick or doing unnecessary operations, either. Having a baby costs nothing extra.

[@gemmal8110]

"anything that's free is sometimes not worth having" An ambulance taking you to the hospital for free.... Erm...

[@RipMinner]

Right. Like your not going to suddenly not want a Ambulance just because everyone can get one with out bankruptcy. lol

[@sarahnoia3495]

I guess the air she us breathing is not worth having then, since it's free xD

[@florindamehmeti3336]

She hated it that the uk system is better than the us

[@xetinc5356]

@@florindamehmeti3336 even African systems are better than us

[@MysticalAdventurer21]

in slovakia ambulance takes you to hospital for free, but you will be propably dead till it arrives :D :D

[@nicoledreamcr4666]

Other countries : Healthcare *America : Wealthcare*

[@abyss6484]

Good one👌🏼

[@non-standardproletarian3356]

Brilliant! And look where we are today.

[@herrvonundzugenaht7696]

The Lady at 04:34 is right. 40% of the ambulance rides in Germany are not an emergency but often obvious misuse of a free service. A fee is discussed to prevent this. There already is a fine for misuse but it is rarely applied. I comment ONLY the ambulance topic.

[@crookedpaths6612]

I bet if you changed the word “government” to “church” the old lady would be all for it.

[@ravik007ggn]

Oh, Jeysus Christ, yes ( I know it is spelled Jesus).

[@crookedpaths6612]

@@ravik007ggn Actually it's closer to Yeshua. The 'J' sound was not in the language.

[@aycc-nbh7289]

Kawerau Woods I’d like that better as well. While having a large group would mean that insurance rates for the collective would be lower, having too large of a group would complicate database management and introduce greater data security risks, with the data obtained as an aggregate being more valuable than it would be otherwise. Add in the fact that the government is usually too divided to make these decisions, leaving pretty much everything run by them vastly underfunded, and you have a recipe for disaster with the oven set at the Planck temperature for an eternity, with our congressmen at the dinner table. Plus, you would personally know the people who would run that system and would be able to directly contact them with questions, but those who’d run the state-run alternative would be no-name bureaucrats who’d want everything in triplicate.

[@linkofvev]

@Jackie Tearie Also with xmas (the apparently offensive to christians way of saying christmas) "X" comes from the Greek letter Chi, which is the first letter of the Greek word Christós (Χριστός), which became Christ in English.

[@godamid4889]

Such a weird mentality to think that universal health care is an infringement of personal choice. You gotta shake your head at some Americans.

[@paulthomson9014]

I remember speaking to an American who thought being allowed to have a gun and use it because it was their constitutional right was more important than free health care . The mind boggles .

[@godamid4889]

@Justin Y. No one made everyone use public healthcare, so it's just another weird take on it.

[@TheManwithaview]

@Justin Y. No one is saying abolish private health care. Therefore your argument is false.

[@TheManwithaview]

@Justin Y. want to what? I had private health care on various jobs. Never cost me a dime.

[@TheManwithaview]

@Justin Y. Such as?

[@KesselRunner606]

"I don't want the guv'ment telling me what I can to can't do." I have the sneaking suspicion she has no idea what socialised health care is.

[@jgdooley2003]

Probably thinks a state doctor will be dictating what she can or cannot do with her life, like prohibition of alcohol. tobacco fatty foods etc, sugar taxes and extra tax on bad health habits etc..

[@nerdletter3773]

John Dooley Honestly, looking around the people in my country, I actually wouldn’t be surprised if a doctor refused to give treatment because of that. It genuinely shocks me at times how selfish so many people here are.

[@revanruler6404]

probably still thnks communists eat babies too. Old americans have been brainwashed to the point that they cannot define communism like a normal person

[@autumntriesthings]

I seriously can’t wait for these ignorant boomers to die

[@kornkernel2232]

That's and understatement. Also hard headed as well since she is refusing to budge at all, and stand her ground no matter how brittle it is. Just so that she can't eat up her own ego. Seriously, government has the responsibility to take care of its citizens and that included better health care system. Which is a basic things that we humans need. The healthier and more alive citizens are, the more consumers and productive workers that country have, the better economy and wealth. Don't take care of your own people, expect shithole.

[@Sooz007-l3b]

My daughter had a quadruple by-pass in Australia, which also has a national health service and it cost nothing either for the op or all the ongoing care. Just because there is no charge at the point of service doesn’t mean it’s free. We all pay a relevant tax, which is automatically taken from your pay. Just because there is no charge doesn’t mean people abuse the system. It means that if you are sick you can get all the help you need without worrying if you can afford it or if it will bankrupt you. Many medications are also subsidised by the government too, especially for people with chronic or life threatening illnesses. You get the help you need, which is decided on by your doctor/consultant, not what an insurance company decides they are prepared to pay for!

[@fatherson5907]

Yet average household debt is lower in the US. Math is hard for you peasants 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@dfdf-rj8jr]

Nobody cares about Australia. Useless, irrelevant country.

[@codswallop321]

Well, to prove the point, I'm British and had to look up the word "copay"

[@camylleouellet4296]

I’m canadian and I had too!😆

[@lelushdsilva9200]

Me as well lol

[@susannah8342]

I would love to know what that is, I've never heard that term before

[@jameslees7103]

@@susannah8342 Another brit here also wondering what that is and how a good chunk of Americans are so ignorant and assume they have the best

[@chrystla891]

same

[@mynameisconnorimtheandroid6080]

I like how immediately you can see the: Old people don't understand it so they hate it Young people understand so they love it

[@letsgobrandon186]

I think that was the narrative pushed for sure.

[@mynameisconnorimtheandroid6080]

@@letsgobrandon186 It certainly looks like it. It wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't though seeing as it's my personal experience as well

[@hamoudhabibi1996]

My name is Connor I'm the android sent by CyberLife young people don't understand cuz they don't pay taxes

[@mynameisconnorimtheandroid6080]

@@hamoudhabibi1996 But.... They do

[@danielburdett8200]

Can we all just agree, the woman in the red is nuts.

[@jacobdesigns8241]

agreed. She's extremely closed minded and is defo a Trump lover lmao

[@twattusbobble9845]

I just wrote a full comment myself before seeing yours and realising I could have just given you the thumbs up!

[@star1923]

May be, but thats just her own issue.

[@themousemage]

@@star1923 Sadly it's not, because she is a voter, and she is basing her votes on ignorance and a fundamental refusal to educate herself. She is part of the problem.

[@tblack21]

Yes. I feel we can. Lol

[@KeithOram-d8q]

I am a UK citizen aged 80 I have had free prescriptions since I was 60 having worked and paid my taxes all my working life. I chose to retire late aged 68 instead of 65. I am in receipt of a state pension as well as pensions I paid for myself. My medical care is free. I have free hearing aids properly fitted and balanced via the NHS. I have free eye tests but I have to pay the going rate for lenses and frames. I can see or consult with my doctor at our primary care health centre for free. I will leave our deluded American friends with a quote from Aneurin Bevan who was the health minister that set up the NHS in 1947. “No society can legitimately call itself civilized if a sick person is denied medical aid because of lack of means.” He also said, "Illness is neither an indulgence for which people have to pay, nor an offence for which they should be penalised, but a misfortune, the cost of which should be shared by the community."

[@fatherson5907]

You paid NI for decades and believe that the third world quality care you get from the NHS is “free” You’re so gullible that you can’t accept the objective data: Over 40% of cancer patients in the Uk fail to receive urgent treatment due to long wait times Average ambulance wait time in the Uk is over 60 minutes Over 10% of the population in England alone are waiting years for surgery Nurses are paid so poorly in the UK that many have resorted to visiting food banks.

[@Brozius2512]

Don't bother, fatherson is an American troll who cannot stand that other countries have it better than the US.

[@Austrianman11]

"The individuals need to be responsible." - Lady hit it on the nose, just decide cancer is not gonna come to your town and your good. Easy as that

[@km-kl3lg]

😂😂😂

[@davidlazarus67]

Mario Moser It’s like the tornadoes are God’s punishment for something or other. Fortunately if the Corona virus were to get a foot hold in the USA it would bankrupt so many people at once that Medicare for all becomes inevitable.

[@kingtut7213]

David Lazarus My thoughts exactly. What happens when people who rely on their jobs for their health care plans of themselves and their children start losing them due to the hit the economy will take or isolation measures? Maybe Americans will finally realise the predatory system they are subject to. As sad as it is, I think, and I hope, great change is coming in the US due to the virus, which will spouse these corrupt systems.

[@davidlazarus67]

king tut I also think that so many will also discover that their unemployment insurance programs are unfit for purpose with the vast majority failing to qualify under the rules that have been voted for that even unemployment benefits will come under the spotlight.

[@gamer3d147]

Mario Moser look, cancer can be preventable, most people with cancer, not saying that it can all be preventable, many people have it because they weren’t responsible with their life choices. Too much sun, wine, meat, inorganic stuff.

[@soft_cactus]

My dad had a stroke, two operations on his heart and stayed in the hospital for 2 weeks. What did he pay for? The parking fees.

[@soft_cactus]

Braydan duchene germany

[@shyhrk]

Wow, that’s amazing.

[@nielspeelen5748]

And what's great is that you actually complain about those high parking rates, not about how your fathers surgeries are going to bankrupt your family.

[@victoews6842]

@Braydan duchene I am Canadian I've had open heart surgery in 2004, emergency appendectomy in 2013, and Radiation for cancer in 2019. Only fees paid were Parking fees at hospitals for my visitors and during radiation treatment I went in 21 times and had to pay parking 3 hours per visit.

[@soisaidtogod4248]

Yup, had a heart attack, got a stint and pacemaker. Total cost$84.00 CDN

[@onlycorndog6322]

In Canada we don't say 'socialized' anything, it's just health care. Only Americans.

[@Zlata1313]

Exactly! We just complain about having to pay for parking at hospitals!

[@MC-Racing]

to be fair, Canada seems much more europeanized, and does not really belong anywhere near US :-)

[@insideAdirtyMind]

call it free health care, everyone will be happy to get it

[@MC-Racing]

@@insideAdirtyMind did you not hear the lady, if its free its not worth having.. Only in USA.. Im glad i have taxfunded healthcare

[@SpennyBoi]

@@MC-Racing you could die in a car to the hospital but in an ambulance to the hospital they take care of you... my blood is boiling by you saying ambulances are bad.

[@CCJJ160Channels]

You ever notice nations with socialized healthcare aren’t fighting to adopt the U.S. system?

[@florendilhobbit2099]

Not Nations, but people within those Nations sometimes do. Usually the wealthy elites.

[@fatherson5907]

Yet they’re heavily depending on medical innovation from the US.

[@Brozius2512]

@@fatherson5907 US ranks 4th in medical innovation. Switzerland ranks #1, Germany ranks #2, Netherlands ranks #3.

[@Brozius2512]

@@fatherson5907 It must kill you that the US isn't number 1 in medical innovation anymore. 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@florendilhobbit2099]

@@fatherson5907 You mean Like the Covid vaccine?

[@Berek71182]

American: "Do you like to pay taxes?" German: "Yes we do like to pay taxes. Do you like to die because you cannot afford treatment?"

[@roguechevelle]

Well to be honest those people saying that actually can afford the treatments they just don't care if no one else can or dies as result. They think lower class people just didn't work hard enough to afford it or are lazy, they have no sympathy for the less fortunate.

[@organ66]

I would pay 100% taxes if the government provides me all stuff of my life.

[@Eric-wu5ue]

@@organ66 thats.... called communism

[@KossolaxtheForesworn]

*OOOOOOOOO* burn

[@kevvilla6356]

@@Eric-wu5ue then you should return your stimulus check, hence that's a form of communism lol hahahahahaahah this republitards crack me up

[@mravina1614]

I live in a 3rd world country and we have socialised medicine. My mom had cancer and all her treatment was free. She's now cancer free and receiving immunotherapy also free. Try to take that away and people will come to the streets and strike.

[@maevewinters1392]

That’s so great to hear! Aw go your mum, what a warrior!

[@llamapartyy]

not in America, it's become so normalized that no one questions it. I mean they made a whole show about it (breaking bad) 🤷‍♂️

[@dmitrizaslavski8480]

Which country?

[@fatherson5907]

@@llamapartyy so why is cancer survival rate higher in the Us than any other country? I bet Michael Moore didn’t tell you that, eh inbred?

[@RR-us2kp]

@@fatherson5907 cancer survival rate is high because only a handful of people with cancer and enough money actually gets healthcare in US. Most people can't afford healthcare. And even people that can afford it don't bother if their survival rate is low. In our country you get cancer treatment for everyone for free and doesn't matter if the chances of survival are high or low.

[@rwhooshbait6982]

“Anything that’s free, sometimes it’s not worth having” right then guess we don’t need oxygen no more

[@leopheard]

Don't forget the woman was on social security

[@Gusto4now]

First time I wanted to use the phrase Ok boomer

[@marciaosullivan3200]

Oxygen isn't a service done by another persons labour

[@frankartanis1290]

Marcia Osullivan It is in a way, because people have to work to draft and implement regulations for various emissions. Engineers have to work to install/maintain/develop equipments to filter the emission. People are paid to monitor air quality, etc.

[@TheSilverPhoenix100]

@@frankartanis1290 then its not free and the persons point stands

[@jaconbran2367]

Hey in Canada and many European countries like England and Scotland have free healthcare which would cost nothing!!!! (In taxes between 12 dollars and 200 dollars on average instead of 200 for general practice and 20,000 or more for hospital stays and nothing for prescriptions) When she was like ‘I am still in favour of individual um medical care’.. American Cognitive Dissonance fully kicked in…..

[@yourneighborhoodwierdo8349]

This shows how older American are brainwashed. Young Americans are awake. They will change things

[@lydiabell6218]

Let's hope so. I am one of the "older" ones, but grew up and returned to my European home country. I have railed against the system in the US for decades.

[@jasonbyrne8487]

I'm not sure you should excuse them that easily, everyone knows right from wrong, to not care about the more vulnerable members of your society just so you don't have to contribute shows that you are morally bankrupt, not and not deserving of your place within that society...

[@technomewmew]

Just because it's free for everyone doesn't mean everyone gets it for everything when they need it. Take what my Dad got recently, a hip and a knee replacement. These are often rationed in free healthcare countries. Cataract surgeries also have a rationed waiting list. And others that aren't considered urgent enough. Look it up. Right now, my loved ones can get surgery when they need it. I get that eventually most people would likely get all the surgeries they need in a free healthcare system, but see the statistics (including the ones for people who have died waiting for free healthcare). In the UK for example, they aim not to let people wait over 18 weeks for a lot of things, but their waiting lists are full. I can't imagine waiting 4+ months for some of the things on their list. With free healthcare, there are sacrifices too. There is private healthcare there too, so once again, those who can afford to go private get treated faster than those who can't. But the cost of replacing one's hip privately seems to be about the same as paying for insurance + deductible in the US, but less if you get both hip and knee done in the same year. I get not everyone can get care here because they can't afford it. And something should definitely be done about that. There has to be a way where everyone gets what they need, but government-provided free healthcare doesn't seem to be it. If you read the horror stories about people desperately waiting for care from NHS because they can't afford to go private, how is that so different from people desperate for care they can't afford here?

[@naedora0124]

@@technomewmew there is always a waiting list whenever it comes to the hospital whether it is a socialized system or privatized. But think of the bigger picture, drug manufacturers that profit an insane amount of money off the sick is not morally acceptable in my eyes. A socialized system will eliminate that and allow anyone to walk into clinics and hospitals without worrying about going into huge debt. Now think about those that are recently unemployed due to the coronavirus, they dont have a healthcare plan anymore. Which one is for the people more?

[@weeman2873]

@@technomewmew so what you are saying is uk people pay the same amount to get a premium service as the us have to pay to get a standard service? the difference between uk and us right now is by having an option, in us if your are poor then you are straight up screwed and nothing you can do about it. but as a poor man i would have rather wait than nothing at all.

[@Zargas]

Give the US some time, its a developing country.

[@_futur3_298]

😂

[@coolguy3848]

😂

[@richardray6827]

no it is not. The last three years it has gone backwards 100 years.

[@brillianthamlet3132]

It's not a More Economically Developed Country. It's not a Newly Emerging Economy. It's a Shrinking Development Country lol.

[@Mitaka-Asa]

Go away boomers. You're holding everyone back.

[@Inuwoodx]

"Do you like paying taxes?" Don't know. Do you like paying 5 grand for a trip to the ER?

[@MMM67-u5m]

I would say this to him: "Yes, I would pay up to about 20% in tax if it provides basic healthcare for a fellow human being. Every human being deserves to live even if they are not a productive member of the society. That being said, if possible, I do not want to pay my taxes if it is used to kill a random child in Iraq."

[@misterdayne2792]

I don't mind paying 39% of my wage in taxes if it means I won't have to pay over 10.000 dollars for my child being born, or 3000 dollars for an ambulance, or 600 dollars for 2 pens of vital yet readily available medicine. Please, take 39, 40, 42% of my wage if it means all of that won't be a problem for me! Then again, if the US just taxed the 1% properly they wouldn't have ANY problems at all. 1,4 million taxpayers in the US earn an average of 1,7 million dollars a year. That's the 1% right there. Imagine what the government could do with just half of all that money. 2.380.000.000.000 dollars If the government had just half of that, and 1 year to use it, they would be capable of fixing so many issues. The US has just under 25 trillion in debt, and if the 1% payed HALF of their yearly income (1.190.000.000.000) for 21 years in a row, the US would be debt free and still have money readily available.

[@Bloodclotzzzzzzzzzzz]

I like paying taxes for everyone to have healthcare. Is that wrong?

[@phajduk86]

@@Bloodclotzzzzzzzzzzz no... But bloodclots are bad

[@nicholastautuhi5031]

I like paying taxes. It means that I get to live in a country that has you know.... The stuff....

[@annaschmidt2]

All the people who were against socialized medicine appear to be older people, and probably qualify for Medicare (a type of socialized medicine!).

[@phyrinx3740]

"Well that's gonna increase - do you like to pay taxes?" Do you like to pay thousands of dollars just for an ambulance? Those people don't understand how taxes work and why those systems work.

[@ritwikreddy5670]

Yeah, in a private hospital, less than 30% of what you pay is used for salaries, equipment and everything. They have more than 70% profit margin. So, if you are paying 1000 usd for private insurance, you would be paying only 300 usd extra taxes jn socialised healthcare( assuming the insurance companies don't make any profit, but they do, so insurance would be higher than 1000 usd)

[@perttutorvinen9180]

Beyza Yalcin OR, what a crazy idea, maybe cut some funding from military for example, and use those saved taxpayers money to something like healthy nation?

[@Gamerkitty6274]

honestly i feel like they’re forgetting that they just pay more taxes instead of health insurance and meds and what not

[@Swordphobic]

From what I understand they actually do pay taxes, US healthcare despite being private has more public money than it would take to have a public system. They are already paying for it.

[@jacob9673]

“Uhhh sometimes anything that’s free is not worth having” Oh yeah? Like the cops? How about firefighters? Trying to sound wise doesn’t make you wise.

[@georgobergfell]

How about roads?

[@MrLucky3576]

Strange since the word "Freedom" has the word "Free" in it.

[@williamtharp6049]

So are your emergency services non profits?

[@alyorkie6]

@@williamtharp6049 In the UK They're paid for by taxes, like any civilised country

[@TheInsaneupsdriver]

at the end of the 19th century, you used to have to pay firefighters before they'd put out the fire at your house! the U.S. has to be the slowest industrialized nation to evolve on earth.

[@johnnylira3312]

The propoganda has damaged the boomer/older generation.

[@jomar564]

@No Truth Dont Speak To Me the educational system and past racial standards and beliefs, had a tremendous affect on it as well. Since people elected in power and those with wealth have continually gone for antigovernment and anti union, their efforts indeed paid off, since unions are looked down by those that fallow the word of the rich, dont like taxes cause the rich told them to and domt like socialites programs or progressives ones that would better the nation, cause the rich would be hurt or some how it's bad form them to help themselves and others.

[@jhenrypaul]

@Emily Moss If indeed the young don't embrace the "Greed is good" mantra then with the poor turn at the polls the young are if as you believe so pro one payer system then they hold an even greater blame for not having one. You like many other younger people here want too simple of answers.

[@ryanharvey9800]

Its destroyed them that and insane right wing nut job Christian televangelists

[@jhenrypaul]

@Emily Moss No what I am saying is that quite simply very few people vote. In an extremely big turn out year only about 25% of the voter eligible to vote show up and vote. If indeed as you say it is us Boomers that are keeping a one payer system of health insurance from happening. Then the responsibility for allowing that to happen falls upon these under 55 for allowing that to happen by not getting out of there armchairs and voting for people that would make that happen. I myself was born in 1960 so am at what many consider the last of the babyboomers. Most Boomers I know are working class and they do support an nationalized health care system. On the other hand most of the younger people I know that have either higher paying jobs or are bosses ot self-employed are dead sets against an nationalized health system. The gist of my argument is that if in fact it is the Babyboomers that have kept a nationalized health care system from happening. With such terrible voter turnouts by Babyboomers, had these under 55 or even 45 truly wanted the change they could have effectively made it happen by merely turning up at the polls and electing these that would have made it happen! You want too simple of answers! The answer is not as simple as the Babyboom generation was against it. Many of my generation have said that an nationalized health care system was the right thing to do since I was a kid in the 60's. It is interesting that over all these of us born in 1960 have not done as well financially as peopleborn in the early to mid 50's and before. The Red Scare of 47 to 57 was the starting point of The Powers That Be (PTB) dismantling the gains that union's took a century to make. Unions were took down by The PTB figuring out that you destroy them by buying off union leadership for starters. There are many more reasons that a nationalized health system hasn't happened in the USA. The ideal that if you work long enough and hard enough you too will be rich. Tribalism and even sexism. Why should someone my age support a system of nationalized health care that I believe should happen when so many your age seem to be saying that we are the total problem? Are you that far from the eugenics movement of the early 1900's that you would deny health care based on age? Perhaps regardless of the fact that people, y age and older agree that health care should be nationalized in order to protect ourselves we must act to keep you weak? Life is not simple. Health care issues are not simple. You want to make a simplistic answer to why an nationalized health care system has not happened (blame the Babyboomers!). My daddy would have said it was time to get you head out of where the sun don't shine. (He used much more colorful language though). Stop blaming and look for answers! One of them is that capitalism must be brought down and I can assure you that the PTB will fight that tooth and nail! The Capitalists in the USA see health care has a sign of their power and will fight to keep that sign under their banner.

[@jhenrypaul]

@Emily Moss yes I was mistaken on the percentage of these voting. But even the percentage being wrong by 1992 these post Boomers had they all voted with these of us boomers that are progressive would have had a huge enough number to changed the laws. I guess really what bothers me the most about this conversation is that you want to make all of us Babyboomers into A. Holes. While refusing to see all these in your age group that believe if you don't have a good job and private health insurance there is something wrong with you and that if you get sick and die because of that you deserved to die. As to actually getting a health care system nationalized in the US in the near future. After Trump was elected in 16, I believe that it won't happen the PTB would sooner destroy the US economy then let that happen. There are far too many millennium's and younger that have brought the lies of the PTB. And you have brought into the lies yourself when you put total blame on Babyboomers for the health care issue. The PTB has always used the divide and conquer MO and it just about always works.

[@ChrisKramer-q4l]

I have diabetic and in Australia I pay A$7 for a prescription of 5 boxes, each containing 5 pens.. that is US$3.11. So 25 pens for US$3.11