I was almost a member of Kaachi?! - My experience + honest review of UK's first KPOP group

#Kaachi #UKpop
This isn't clickbait, I was actually asked to be a member of UK's first KPOP group Kaachi! Stay tuned to see how I got scouted and my opinion on their controversies so far.
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[@ploopy678]

I'm unfortunately going to have to mute the clip of Nicole dancing at 13:28 cuz of copyright issues :( Also wanted to thank Sunny for sharing his experiences with me. I understand it must've been hard to open up about such a difficult situation, especially after knowing I disagreed with his actions, but I appreciate his honesty.

[@thandiedawnfabila5424]

Can you react to SB19, pretty please? They are a Filipino boy group under a Korean agency, and they're pretty good and talented. Their Go Up dance practice is 🔥

[@jingkaiitv4000]

Please react to SB19's ALAB , They're Filipino boyband under a Korean company "ShowBT ENT."

[@streamtwicemv8753]

Hi Ploopy we're you in Golden Tambourine? Jo Kwon's video the one they edited that has American flag

[@OtakuJok3r17]

I have a video of Nicole she used to go to my dance class

[@gaelsotto3094]

@Jeon Junkook watch their music video and their videos at their channel

[@something7444]

" I'm not fluent in Korean" Don't worry, they aren't either.

[@sugasweetv2858]

Bet she speaks more and better 😂😂

[@Jen-uz1uf]

Coco can say speak korean..?

[@btsjimin223]

J-hope’s Sprite Even Coco has struggles with Korean... But she definitely has potential for becoming a REAL kpop idol

[@minsugaswifeuuh6499]

@@Jen-uz1uf I don't speak korean but I could tell they had heavy accents and rough prononciation. It's very obvious to kpop fans when you're used to listening to groups who have good pronunciation and not so heavy accent.

[@vincristine8844]

@@btsjimin223 Coco said herself that she can speak Korean, she said so when she was interviewed by a youtuber.

[@simpforjiwoo7703]

I can’t get the “iTs KaAcHi” out of my head 💀💀

[@EeepyEepyCrow]

Same 😅

[@ploopy678]

You're gonna hear it a lot in throughout the video 😂

[@user-mp5po2pt8d]

I get shivers when I hear it.The cringe I felt with their MV and song is so associated to this that I physically shiver in cringeness and awkwardness.I never thought that it was possible to be so physically bothered by something, I felt like my soul wanted to yeet out of my eyes and my body wanted to nope away from my PC.

[@dailydoseofami]

Why does it sounds like 'Scotch Tape' or 'Biskotchi'

[@longleglisa5214]

same,i legit wanna die 🤠

[@kynz6527]

why is no one talking about that BOMB English version she wrote for 'your turn'

[@taylorchristopher278]

exactly!! I was sitting here thinking "am I the only one??" lmao

[@jeagerbomb_]

I'm confused, can you explain what you mean

[@crystalflower7952]

@@jeagerbomb_ it's in the vIdEo

[@hy4a]

@@jeagerbomb_ she rewrote the korean lyrics into english so they are just saying what she wrote was bomb

[@ishita1506]

the song is already 90% in english lmao

[@hannsmi1117]

the intro should’ve been *”it’s ploopy”* ok i’ll stop

[@amycruz4050]

LMAO-

[@cabbie111]

Lol

[@Un.kn0wnx]

Lol

[@kristenswanepoel1449]

😂

[@Lia-tn5nr]

Is this a fellow weeb I see 👀

[@Ren-es2si]

People are telling Coco to leave and audition for an actual KPOP company just because she’s Korean but people are forgetting that she needs talent

[@cynwashere]

True because although she’s Korean she’s still at the same level as the other girls and is not less nor more talented than them

[@babylilylolxd6807]

If she trains for alot if years in a good kpop Korean company she might improve, I just think that none of them showcase their vocals well cus I think they can do better in their vocals they were clearly weak

[@melinadybbro5534]

Ren Louder!

[@stanloona8206]

Joaquin McQuitty but companies take in either, someone with a particular talent or someone with good visuals. Coco has none of them

[@stanloona8206]

Joaquin McQuitty also she’s already too old to even be In a rookie kpop group, let alone train

[@feliciasanchez9878]

"we are the first art school run by people with no art degrees" LOOOOLLL

[@Anonymous-cb1fn]

Davinci & Michaelangelo had no art degrees and they are teaching people even after death, honey.

[@feliciasanchez9878]

@@Anonymous-cb1fn just quoting what she said, honey

[@lieutenantpepper2734]

This woman was straight up savage lol

[@keziahmillano9495]

Hahahaha that line was really hilarious 🤣🤣🤣

[@IGot7RevtinyArmyStayOnceBlink]

Felicia Sanchez she had me ROLLLINNNNGGGGG !!!!!!! 😂🤣😂🤣 and so true!

[@heyyoupretty760]

“It’s kaachi” reminds me of Dora somehow

[@Zyleace]

Do-do-do-Dora the exploreeeeer (DORAAAA!)

[@kristenswanepoel1449]

@@Zyleace 😂😂😂😂

[@randompotatoe2342]

Finally someone who haves a mind like me

[@cupidzn6351]

Subway surfers

[@harnaz]

Hola Soy Dora!

[@jendukieblink2776]

“It’S kAaChI” I swear that has been stuck in my head ever since I heard it and it’s giving me nightmares.

[@twicepilled]

lmao same

[@nemesistomystars5693]

It’s catchy...

[@aurelia3439]

@Ricardo Wesker catchy more like “kaachi” I’m sorry I’ll leave

[@mahimachari91]

I...murder me if u want but I lowkey like it-

[@minyoonji4788]

@@mahimachari91 same-

[@norg6090]

as cringey as their group is, Nicole is actually a really good dancer, and her future could have been bright if she hadn't done this.

[@cornelia9309]

squishy Honestly, they can change whenever and they will probably get a bright future anyway. Yeah, people will always hate, but why should the girls listen to the hate when they are doing what they love and are happy with?

[@cornelia9309]

@@rkcvje Yes, calling themselves a K-pop group is honestly childish in my opinion, because they probably won't get as skilled as they need to be to be qualified as a K-pop group. None of them except for Coco knows Korean fluently, their dancing is okay, but still not very good, their vocals aren't very good either. But although they are like this, they still get way too much hate. People spread false rumors about them, send them death threats and so on. That's even more childish. Yeah, the girls made a mistake, but that doesn't give anyone the right to hate on them as much as they do. Giving constructive and respectful critisism is one thing, but straight forward hating is wrong.

[@LinhNguyen-pt9ty]

squishy her future would be bright if she didn’t mention she was short like it was a personality

[@merrbwrry2248]

squishy yeah she used to be in a dance centre group kind of project

[@zenriboakwon2921]

@@cornelia9309 They can "do what they love" as a Pop group, which is what they're trying to be (Kpop is not the only form of pop with dance routines). That's not the problem, the problem is that Kpop is a subculture within Pop with their specific culture point being their trainee system. Kaachi is not a Kpop group because one, they're not based in Korea, and two, they aren't TRAINED as idols. THAT is the problem, not them doing what they love. Lana is doing what she loves PROPERLY by learning Korean, learning the culture, and training like every other foreign Kpop idol.

[@batatamv49]

The problem isn’t “not being asian”, the problem is “not being trained/respectful”. UHSN is the living proof.

[@frazelsplaying5217]

Batata MV Facts

[@mightygdog2225]

true but for the majority of kpop fans the problem literally is ”not being asian”

[@aikaatikah2303]

Yeah, I agree with you.

[@charlottetomasin9019]

UHSN isn't even a permanent and legit group. It was just a show made by Mnet to have girls from different nationalities experience the Korean culture. The song they made was just a little bonus I guess

[@haniamir2133]

@Charlotte tomsain they meant that even tho the group wasn't permanent the girls had a proper training system and spoke korean

[@harukichan-_-]

Kaachi: **Speaks korean** All kpop groups: **Dies in English**

[@theseusvsminotaurus]

I love your username. YG En *TROLL* ment lmao

[@jenss8641]

Your username and profile pic i can't-

[@harukichan-_-]

@@jenss8641 😂

[@Xana_09]

@@harukichan-_- OMG FELIX PFP YFDJJSDT

[@tas.1]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀💀

[@sntience]

kaachi imo is not _that_ bad, they just need to train longer in singing and dancing and actually learn the language

[@exhhhhh_b]

yes, and not call themselves kpop. maybe a pop group inspired by kpop

[@shaunyjimenez9637]

@@exhhhhh_b they are allowed to call themselves kpop it's what they wanna do

[@shaunyjimenez9637]

@@Mmmimimm how does one become deserving of becoming an idol? Training? Is KAACHI not breaking their practicing everyday? Blame the company

[@choochipochi5629]

@@shaunyjimenez9637 yea once they train and learn the language, and release "actual songs" using korean language, they can be called kpop ocz its in korean language.

[@choochipochi5629]

@@shaunyjimenez9637 yes blame the company because they were actually the ones that said kaachi is a kpop that made their image like that. Blame the company they produced the song and did them dirty and they dont get the actual training that idols should get first to be so talented and skilled

[@kaitlyn8052]

If I hear *iTs KaAcHi* one more time I'm going yeet myself out my window

[@AnxiousRealism]

SaME LOL

[@micaela6938]

Me too

[@blackpinkscomebackisataugu6342]

iTs kaAcHi

[@LuvNessaXoxo]

S A M E Gosshhhhhh

[@vanessa9766]

Bye then

[@user-ly4wt9xp4i]

They could’ve just said they’re a English girl band who were inspired by kpop groups or something idk

[@itsbeyondme5560]

No

[@beesplanet__]

@@itsbeyondme5560 what no?

[@itsbeyondme5560]

@Park Jiminie A western companies find talent or the group go to the company and show their demo. Since they have no talent why call a group in the first place? We have standards in the West too.

[@ParkJimin-mo9lj]

@@beesplanet__ Look , I don't know about the hwasa rumor but they Did NOT call jennie lazy , It was the audience in a show or smth and the audience had to pick how they should dance and they chose "lazy" and then someone in the audience said "Lazy just like Jennie" And now you guys are blaming it on the girls? Like I'm not a fan nor a hater but they LITERALLY just "debuted" a week ago and and everyone already also thinks they'd be making an album too?? Like why does everyone just believe everything on the Internet ??? Do your research first 😑 There I Said it becuase I'm so tired of everyone bieng toxic on the internet , Sorry For snapping 😅 And yes I agree they should have gotten better training but that still doesn't give Anyone the right to make rumors just to make people hate them , If they improve they could be much better and maybe be successful, and like the person above said just be inspired by Kpop but not be an actual kpop group

[@Axzled]

@@ParkJimin-mo9lj no one talk abt jennie being lazy here tho They talk abt kaachi????🤔

[@waynemackinnon3918]

I think the company is to blame, not the girls, the company just wanted to spend the least amount of money and time they possibly could so they could scavenge some of that Kpop money, everything screams cheap knockoff. As far as the girls go, I think they have decent voices, probably would improve a lot with practice, dancing seemed okay, same problem lack of training together as a cohesive group. It wouldn't surprise me if their own company made a lot of the rumors themselves, you know, publicity is publicity, whether good or bad.

[@TokkingBlackMochi]

Just like 5High (First ever Indian KPop Girl Group) their so called seems so rushed.

[@rayesafan9628]

So true!

[@nililajuli270]

@Don’t ask I’m stupid yeah. You really are stupid

[@arham1316]

@@nililajuli270 👁️👄👁️

[@imdying101]

please make this the top comment, everyone need to see this.

[@lovacleve9035]

Honestly the music video isn’t that bad, the outfits are cool and the shots are pretty good, but the dancing looks kinda messy so I think they need better team work and practice vocals as well. I honestly don’t understand why they’re trying to BE kpop, it would be so much cooler to have a kpop inspired uk girl group where they sing in English but have a kpop vibe, and a professional choreographer lol

[@sasurau_6692]

Yeah that wouldn’t give them so much hate and I think they would actually be successful

[@jadehanji]

@@jay-pd3zs i'm a little late but, they don't call themselves kpop

[@NotAnotherKuromi]

@fxncy.shyla_ ! They shouldn't have been released before they practiced & got better though. There are plenty of established girl groups in London who could have sung & danced better, while also more naturally fitting the K-pop image. I don't hate them I am just confused why people's opinion in them is so polarising.

[@LukeBridger]

@@sasurau_6692 this reply is kinda to you and OC but whateves. Basically they didn't label themselves as kpop, their company did. They wanted to be inspired by it, but their company wanted to make more money by promoting them as kpop as 2 of them were already fluent. But also even if they did debut as an inspired group they would have likely still gotten the same amount of hate and rumours about shipping and copying and everything which is kinda dumb. I hate toxic stans so much

[@sasurau_6692]

@@LukeBridger oh I didn’t know that their label did that to be honest i forgot all about the kaachi thing…

[@victoriab637]

The points you made about the Jennie situation was spot on.

[@SummerTokyoNeko]

What timestamp can you mind sharing

[@Hana-vh1om]

👏🏽True

[@seonghwamars.]

FINALLY! someone who understands that miso doesn't think she's literally Hwasa.

[@carlamari1199]

I’m not a fan but people are just making stuff up so they can have reasons to hate on them

[@beesplanet__]

well miso isnt a memeber now so yeah

[@beesplanet__]

but as if she could be

[@mei6648]

she literally said "I'm like Hwasa *laugh"

[@catwashington7375]

Facts Also it’s me, Penelope 💜💜💜

[@kyxsiv]

0:25 "Who is Kaachi? I only only Akaashi. And its my religion" that tweet was the only thing i needed to see

[@raishanovanty7813]

AKAASHI KEIJI IS FAR BETTER THAN KAACHI ODEJOSKFOWKD

[@hazaistired]

@@raishanovanty7813 YES

[@eliesetheelfdevil7252]

YES I WANST THE ONLY ONE THAT NOTICED!!!

[@sunhopii8534]

IVVYCUKHIJIHIOPIUFY YES

[@Amaneamaneee_]

Kakashi

[@boo9108]

The whole thing just feels exactly like Rebecca Black's Friday

[@exhhhhh_b]

yep, definitely. both songs are catchy but received a lot of hate!

[@sayjironimo7321]

@@exhhhhh_b I guess you could say... it's *kaachi*

[@sofia_rms]

And Rebecca's case is so sad. At least she has a nice career now

[@auds1975]

“Bullying and harassing people isn’t going to change the situation” I love that as a general statement about how Kaachi is being treated as a group I feel like some people are really doing the most (Twitter) thank you for not just jumping on the “drag them” train I don’t necessarily support them but seeing them getting absurd amounts of hate for the bare minimum is kinda sad

[@honeydduknochu8847]

Audrey Rose SAY IT AGAIN FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACKKK!!!!

[@eya3477]

@@h4nn6h did you even watch her video

[@mia-iz8qs]

bitch ass first of all, get a fact chat (no i dont support them but these are the types of rumors they are talking about) if you watch the video in context she says shes the 시크 and 도도 of kaachi and then says that that makes her SIMILAR to hwasa. im not sure what 도도 is but 시크 is like fancy and elegant which is what hwasa is. second, they did not “make fun” of jennie. they probably disagree but were just making a joke in that video because one of the people in the dance was tired. they simply poked at the fact that people were calling her lazy. lastly, they did NOT ship themselves with jungkook. theres a video by their organizer or whatever she is, monica, talking about how thats some wrong rumor that people started on the internet. please dont continue to add fuel to the fire and get your facts checked

[@maryamz6691]

It would've been fine if they didn't label themselves as "UK Kpop group" because that phrase will trigger most kpop stans, and people will try to find the littlest things to bash them on. To be honest, I personally felt like they're an insult to the kpop industry, at first, but after I calmed down a bit, I realized that the false rumors and hate they're getting are just wrong.

[@Jks1toe_0]

Yes we really shouldn’t 😔✊

[@Johnnyray]

IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!!!!!!

[@crazyformyseIf]

Johnny is the new member of kaachi best singer 2020

[@amycazares5955]

@@crazyformyseIf true

[@yizhuoluv2186]

i didn’t expect this at all, but this was interesting ☕️

[@ebola9286]

HAPPY MOTHERS DAY MOTHER JOHNNY

[@sylvrses]

Omg I just became a fan of both i

[@songsar5589]

idk if it's true, but coco once said, that someone in the audience shouted "dance lazy, like jennie from bp", but the girls only heard the word "lazy"

[@galaxyeri2729]

rumours rumours **sigh**

[@its_nicole07]

And they said that they didn't dance like jennie and they tried to ignore it but when u are in front of people and they are shouting stuff to u i think they just kept going this does not mean i like them but still i think this is the answer😔

[@songsar5589]

@@its_nicole07 right, rhat was what I was trying to say😆

[@galaxyeri2729]

Song Sar if you don’t know, then it’s probably not true because kaachi is a literal hate train and everyone likes to make rumours about them. Please don’t believe these rumours because IT IS WRONG

[@galaxyeri2729]

Suga-baby-mochi maybe you should then talk about your group BTS that always tells you to “Love yourself” and here you are trying to spread fake rumours about the girls.

[@eeshamaranganti2002]

It would be well calling themselves English girl group inspired from K-pop like Z-pop.

[@thatonemultistan3070]

THANK YOU 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽. Z-pop is just as good!!! 💜💜💜💜💜

[@eeshamaranganti2002]

@@thatonemultistan3070 Yeahh, They're completely talented. They just need popularity and some support from world and then no one can stop them💓🤘🏼

[@thatonemultistan3070]

아이샤Eesha yesssss 💜💜💜

[@ybi7544]

what is zpop ??

[@eeshamaranganti2002]

@@ybi7544 Zpop is a project inspired from K-pop,They do auditions in different asian countries,They take each mem from each country from both boys and girls,train them,and They debut after some months. It is a completely different project.

[@peepmcsqueak5310]

It’s okay if they just want to be a girl group, but a K-Pop group is what throws me off. They could’ve just been a K-Pop inspired group like SB19, but a full on K-Pop group isn’t necessary. At least SB19 actually speaks in their own language, and were trained by a Korean entertainment company. There are hundreds of trainees that have been put into vocal and rap lessons along with no sleep, and brutal training for years. I don’t even think that Kaachi could pass an audition. I respect them as people, but I can’t support this.

[@near4316]

i agree, it's disrespectful to all the trainees and idols that sacrifice their everything to train and debut. also SB19 is so good lol, i discovered them a few days ago and i'm addicted

[@chinam9974]

it just seems weird to me, outside of training, korean, etc I feel like what first makes music kpop is not the aestheics and visuals and style but that it's at least catered to the korean market at some degree. That's why people in other places call taylor swift an american artist making american pop (cause she writes to an american fanbase/audience), hispanic pop music to a hispanic audience, kpop to a korean audience. Just cause kpop is worldwide doesn't change that.

[@auripra]

I agree, they should have called then kpop inspired group.. That would have been better.. Like - Sb19 - Zgirls & Zboys , they call themselves Zpop which is inspired from kpop

[@crystalorxhid7473]

I agree... SB19 are actually is learning how to speak korean as well

[@horchatamochi1006]

I agree, idk why they call themselves a “kpop group” when they didn’t debut in Korea like it’s not even if they are Asians or not because Lana is also a foreigner but she actually debuted in Korea under a company which proves Lana has the potential. though I think non Asians shouldn’t be in kpop, that is not important here because Kaachi didn’t even debut in Korea in the first place

[@sanguinesoul4895]

I feel like if Kaachi would’ve been given at least, let’s say 6-12 months together, with a fixed lineup, no changes, they could’ve learned korean better and more, gotten more training, and learn how to work together and dance in synch, as that was mentioned

[@nina4955]

and to speak the language their singing.

[@sanguinesoul4895]

Yoongles Nap yes, that was the first benefit I said if they had trained together longer

[@mochiyeosang1908]

@@nina4955 so shakira shouldnt sing in english?

[@CreamFilledDonut]

@@nina4955 yeah you're right

[@CreamFilledDonut]

@@mochiyeosang1908 but shakira is still proud of her own country, and use her voice so that their country will be known, not like Kaachi that is self proclaimed K-POP(even though they didn't debut in korea) and didn't even trained to a Korean entertainments for years it's just unfair to other KPOP groups

[@rose-ry5mj]

2:11 For some reason I have subtitles on, and- Subtitles : On March 8th, Nicole, the leader of *Cocky*

[@seungmoo4131]

😀😁😆😂

[@cursedwyvern3044]

Update on Kaachi for those interested; They now have 3 members (Dani left when her contract expired), they’ve worked with Johnny and their mixing/production has improved dramatically! They’re working really hard and their dancing and singing (as well as Korean), has really improved. Their more recent songs such as ‘That One Thing’ are a mix of English, Korean and Spanish (and it sounds like Your Turn but much better). Overall, they’re working really hard, have improved dramatically, and are doing their best! They absolutely have no bad intentions, so support them if you are interested!

[@priss8588]

You should cover Johnny’s version and dance how you think the choreography should have looked!! 👀👏🏼

[@marysaotome7823]

Omg yes

[@nikasolo9700]

YESSS!

[@nornatashaalia6251]

Up

[@yonie2767]

yessss

[@danimongaya3348]

YESSS PLEASEE OMG~

[@wondertweaks5384]

Girl you didn't dodge a bullet, you dodged thousands of them

[@YamiNoAkarui]

Girl dodged a nuke tbh.

[@k4444ren]

@@YamiNoAkarui PERIODT

[@kpi7757]

@@k4444ren Nope. Girl dodged a whole-ass meteor.

[@itztomato44]

i found like 20comment like this

[@jaylaoyola8313]

I'm you 900th like. Js 😗✌🏼

[@leopoldhollow]

Summary of this video: twitter stans take everything out of context to make it sound worse

[@gourinandana8607]

Off topic but is that "yeorly Quinn" in ur pfp 👀

[@leopoldhollow]

@@gourinandana8607 yes it is 👀👀👀 hehet

[@LukeBridger]

Edit: make it sounds worse or make up things entirely out of thin air

[@minseoksthighs]

Personally, I don’t like them but that doesn’t mean they should receive literal death threats for it. My issue with them is that to me kpop is not a genre, it’s this industry that mistreats idols and overworks them to the point where they literally have to go into hospital from exhaustion/famine/injuries etc. Kaachi claiming that they are a kpop group when they didn’t have to experience anything like that just screams disrespect to me. I’m not saying that they should be mistreated and neglected by their company, but to claim you are on the same level as these idols that have been neglected for years in order to get to the position they are at now seems incredibly inappropriate. Not being fluent in Korean when you’re targeting a concept that is based on that language is very problematic to me, imagine how us English speakers would feel if some people from another country barely spoke any English and claimed to be on the same level as Ariana Grande, Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga etc.? We’d feel very conflicted and maybe somewhat offended that they’d clearly put no effort into it. Another issue I’d like to address is that the majority of the members are not Korean, while groups like BLACKPINK, Twice and EXO mainly consist of Koreans despite having some foreign members. Foreign members are often quite popular internationally, but a lot of kpop fans don’t acknowledge that these people receive a lot of bullying, death threats, racism and general harassment for not being Korean by Korean fans themselves. They also tend to be more mistreated by their companies than the Korean members. (Think of the foreign NCT members, they are neglected severely by SM). Although I agree with most of Ploopy’s opinions in this video, I have to say I was very angered by her comment about other foreign artists “not being harassed” despite not being Korean. (I’m not going to harass her on that comment, I just strongly disagree). Back to my main point, the majority of Kaachi are indeed foreign and clearly lack Korean cultural knowledge as well as the language. The last point that I’d like to make is that the “company” that trained these girls is not legitimate. If these girls debuted under a proper Korean label then maybe I could overlook some issues, but the entire group, members, company, staff, the whole “label” in general screams unprofessional and unofficial to me. If anyone made it this far into my comment thank you so so much for taking the time to listen to my rant lol, I have more points I could make but I’ll shut up now since I’ve been writing this comment for a good 5 minutes and it’s probably pretty lengthy so no one will be interested in reading 🤣

[@peach4246]

while i agree with your last point on learning the language and everything, i dont feel like kpop should be gatekept for them having to struggle harder. If an actual kpop group debuts and they didnt struggle too much, and maybe seem less prepared because of that, i wouldnt mind because the mistreatment is such an issue that i feel no one shouldve went through. The hate that a lot of groups get is so uncalled for, and i dont think that if you didnt work as hard that the hate is warrented. (also this is personal oppinion but, i wouldnt be too offended if someone who didnt speak fluent english compared them to one of the western singers, espeicially because of lot of kpop groups/companys claim their going for a Billie Eilish or Ariana Grande vibe) Also this isnt even on the subject, but its funny to me how stans are literarily following eminems description of a one where they idolize someone to a disgusting extinct even going out of there way to hurt themselves and others, and then are able to switch and start hating them. Crazy.

[@user-oo9sr1vf6y]

What are you talking about?? You think future kpop groups need to suffer to be kpop groups??? What hell ???

[@minseoksthighs]

I never said that people have to suffer in order to be KPop, I’m saying that these girls are not on the same wavelength as all of the other idols that work their asses off to get to where they are. Claiming to be a kpop group when trainees spend years to practice and prepare for their dreams and sometimes don’t even pass, only to be overshadowed by some girls from UK that are hopping on the “trend”. I’m suggesting that it’s disrespectful to the idols that have suffered, not that they should have to of course! It’s disrespectful because trainees have to work really hard to practice Korean, train in dancing/singing for years, lose a tonne of weight etc. in order to be considered an “idol” in Korea. However, these 4 girls come along and are barely serious about their careers. Their Korean is terrible, their dancing and singing is not on par with any proper idols, and Kaachi just generally feels like some kind of parody. The girls seem sweet, but I don’t agree with them calling themselves Kpop, when they are nothing like the idols in Korea. Of course, it’s fine to be different, but I am talking in terms of talent and training. It would be lovely if idols didn’t have to suffer, but that is just how the kpop industry is, Kaachi would know nothing of these idols’ efforts, and it’s practically mocking them. Sorry for the misunderstanding btw ^^

[@LukeBridger]

@@minseoksthighs they never claimed to be kpop omgggg 😭

[@minseoksthighs]

@@LukeBridger ur delusional they say it all the time lmao

[@oseao8965]

I feel bad for the girls, getting false rumors and death threats getting thrown at them is disgusting. They should've called them a pop group and have some korean inspired things (something like that) or like have them train on their korean, singing, and dancing (synchronization , etc )for at least a year or two. The debut was really rushed

[@oliviastuck7756]

myfamilyareclowns I agree

[@Cheif-Queef420]

Yeah but one girl ships herself with jungkook from bts

[@kei9795]

@@Cheif-Queef420 so do millions of others

[@sotrue4436]

@@Cheif-Queef420 yall are disgusting. So just because she ships herself with yOUr oPpa, y'all think y'all have the right to cyberbully these girls? What the actual fuck, I don't know about you but I smell toxic waste 🤢💀

[@trashwithanxiety2922]

@@Cheif-Queef420 wasn't that a lie that was created?

[@leonacochico7323]

I feel like they should have debuted as a pop group, and have like a “k-pop” theme or aesthetic, if you know what I mean (Edit): omg tysm for the likes I didn’t know so many people agreed with me 😁

[@riahs_corner]

Leona Cochico Exactly. I watched one video where the person said that they could be a UK pop group like Little Mix.

[@melinthebuilding]

I feel like if they said they had a kpop aesthetic/theme, people would still be upset. Maybe it would be better if they said kpop inspired them, or if they said they were a group that sung in different languages.

[@bhavyasrisuggula526]

yeah, like maybe have like cute, girl concepts like most girl groups and be a bit heavier on the dance side. I mean, I would be okay with that. But i feel like what they r doing is a bit too much

[@mau6068]

Leona Cochico yea

[@bhavyasrisuggula526]

@Nari Seoul yeah, the idea of a uk kpop group sounds interesting. if they had went thru the pain of being a trainee, we would have seen them as actual idols or singers

[@kaix4975]

I still don’t understand why Kaachi received so much hate?? Just let them live their lives gurl-

[@meemaw2200]

They’re calling themselves a k pop group though none of the em are Korean or can speak Korean,I think that’s why

[@sofiareyes7083]

@@meemaw2200 I don't think you have to be Korean in order to make kpop music. We have Lisa from Blackpink who is literally Thai. The problem is that they didn't take the time to train and learn Korean.

[@meemaw2200]

@@sofiareyes7083 yeah thank you for bringing that up, Lisa is Thai though she has lived in Korean for years, learned the language and took time to actually study the culture, debuted under a Korean company, and was a trainee for a reasonable amount of time, this girl group is made of members who went through absolutely no training whatsoever and thy barely know the language, as a Korean myself I find this extremely disrespectful not only to other k pop trainees who dedicate years of their life being a trainee, though there is only a small chance of them making it big in the Korean entertainment industry but to other Koreans too.

[@potato512]

1) They should've trained longer. 2) because of the fake rumours of them shipping themselves with JUNGKOOK and calling JENNIE lazy. 3) They act like k pop wannabes (sorry just had to say it)

[@etelissah]

pls dont hate me for this, but Kaachi improved A LOT since their debut, I don't speak Korean, so I can't say anything about their pronounciation whatsoever, but it sounds really good by now, since their vocals, dancing, rapping etc. has improved quite a bit. ^^

[@lisareagle9480]

I think only senseless people would hate you for apreteacting kaachi!

[@dandansoysauce8762]

Aren't 2 of them Spanish? They could add some Spanish words/phrases in their song instead of Korean! It's a language they know and are comfortable with, plus English. They could definitely do that instead, while still having a K-pop inspired vibe

[@urwnrwl5396]

Yeah I agree with that, they would get less hate too

[@stylesfocus-1865]

chunseo is also half filipino

[@lieyoonie4756]

Your opinion is great

[@jel_taime]

They could also add Filipino, Irish and Spanish because they know how to speak those! ✨

[@domidoosje]

@@jay-pd3zs no.

[@lhanzeupentagon7476]

Another reason why chinese, thai, taiwanese, filipino, japanese trainees can be accepted as kpop idols is because we are of one CONTINENT. That's one of the main reason. If KAACHI said that their "UK's FIRST KPOP INSPIRED GROUP" The hate and criticism would be less.

[@DiannaMarie92]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Thank you exactly. People everywhere get pissed if someone from Non African culture jumps into the hip hop scene or wears/styles in African fashion but we can’t get mad about them white washing Kpop or Asian music? Like wth.

[@nanamimomozono4146]

Exactly

[@otre3947]

well, also because they actually had proper training,skills and screening too by the actual kpop industry. . if a chinese group or whatever didn't get any proper training from koreans/kpop industry and then did as badly as kaachi did and called themselves kpop i dont think it would be too well received either.

[@jay-pd3zs]

In my opinion they could have been the next little mix, they can dance but they just need practice their singing more and i bet over the years their voices will probably sound better than they do now. I’m not a kaachi stan but it’s better to just encourage them to get better instead of bashing them because bashing them won’t do anything but make their situation worse.

[@lhanzeupentagon7476]

@fxncy.shyla_ ! i think there's a Cambodian in the Kpop group Zboys. I'm not sure.

[@MissAdym]

I love how reasonable and mature you are with your opinions ❤️

[@sharanyasinha3979]

This video was really respectful and honest! I loved how you articulated your thoughts! ❤️❤️👍👍More power and love to you!

[@arthurbowling-dyer2224]

Ploopy: "I am not a professional singer" * Literally rewrites the pre-chorus and sings beautifully

[@franz_ie]

@@Jayjay0514 12:40

[@songheerha1209]

@@Jayjay0514 sorry this is off topic but i love your name

[@sugarcut]

maybe bc of when she trained like a pop idol?

[@Hikarahime]

A_Town Being a good singer has little to do with being a professional singer lmao. You can be a terrible singer and still be a professional, or an amazing singer and not a professional.

[@sunmiswashingmachine2753]

@@Hikarahime that makes no sense at all, professionals will be better technically as they have experience and practice. yes maybe someone who doesnt have any experience might have a nice vocal colour but vocal colour wont save you for in the long run.

[@crazy_keightie]

Personally i feel there was a huge fuss abt this not bec they called themselves kpop. It became an issue because its a disrespect to the kpop culture to be called kpop idols when they werent trained the same way as korean idol. They are completely lacking in talent. Both Vocals and dance. In addition they werent fluent in korean. If they are extremely talented and they can speak korean fluently they wouldnt recieve much hate.

[@hj-mm2hb]

Princess T. C. If they just called them a uk girl group, they wouldn’t get hate either

[@TanyaVerma]

Nicole is quite good tho

[@IveGotWonyoung]

They also disrespected Jennie & hwasa, saesang over jungkook

[@rollingthunder9213]

There fans are called koochie, and their lightstick is a pink dildo. I agree if they called themselves a U.K. girl group they could become succesful.

[@asserm.8047]

i agree, but i still think that if they were extremely talented they should have tried to go thru the training system in korea nonetheless *OR* promoted themselves as a regular western girl group that takes inspiration from kpop style of music/clothing/mv production/promotion etc (without singing in korean) since they dont have the talent for either of these two routes, idk why they put themselves out there. they must know none of them can sing.

[@barnetteleisure]

Finally someone who thinks logivally in this situation! Preach girl. 😊

[@shu2775]

Wow, what a queen. Spittin facts and honestly, I just loved the way you approached this video.

[@deekshagopal8548]

You know it's shady AF when someone says 'the owner is a Korean woman who works in a music distribution company'

[@aymenbx648]

Like there's absolutely no background

[@_RL.]

@@aymenbx648 yup.. this company is small no experience in managing GG or anything in music but starting a music magazine in the UK. That is it. They literally have no staff and you know they have no budget. They are trying to be like BIG HIT that started from a small company but they forget that it takes TALENT and TRAINING and Big Hit invested in their boys. All big KPOP companies invest time and money into their trainees. The fact they started to scout people in Oct 2019 and then debuted a GG in like 3 months is not enough time. The girls do not even look like they are friends or cohesive in the debut MV. It looks cheap and fake. I've seen better dancing groups with better dancing and production and styling.

[@oliviakim2780]

The reason why non-korean idols (japanese, chinese, taiwanese, etc) are able to debut in korean groups without an issue is that they go to Korea to be a trainee and are produced by a korean entertainment group in korea with majority of the members being korean. K-pop is k-pop because it originates from Korea and all the other artists are asian (or at least half) as well. While it mixes in other genres of music there is a specific sound because its Korean. If its not from Korea it'd literally just be pop. KAACHI is problematic for multiple reasons because they steal from other artists and it's honestly insulting towards idols who put in sooooo much intensive work to debut just to see another group out there that thinks they can become a kpop group by dressing "kpop" and adding in a few korean words here and there. However, I agree its just plain wrong to bully these young teenage girls and people should stop sending them death threats

[@YunjinsChair]

Same thoughts

[@mangochuu]

agree!!

[@amulyaganti6416]

Agreed. They should at least be under a korean label. Btw, all of them are above 20. Only one of them is 19. Correct me if im wrong though.💜

[@babiemochii463]

i agree with everything just saying they are like 20 and up

[@hoppy7520]

Olivia Kim actually not true its just that we like to turn a blind eye to it. If an indian went to korea and training to debut they would never actually make it even tho asia is big and india is also there. We just like to turn a blind eye to the fact that u actually have to match the beauty standards in order to debut. Also if the girls were asians from london with such little knowledge of korean people would be ok with it. For example coco i seen her dance and the street / hiphop style really isnt her thing. But yet everyone is praising coco because she is asian

[@haivenlopez]

I think they should’ve kept practicing and training for a while

[@mx.n.3682]

For the Hwasa thing, it's probably the name dropping that people had an issue with. I can just imagine if a new boygroup came out and their main dancer said "I'm like the Kai from EXO of XX" or "I'm like the Jimin from BTS of XX" they would get a lot of hate because even if what they mean to say is 'I'm the main dancer of the group' it comes off as if they're name dropping for clout, even if they don't mean it that way. They were gonna get hate anyway, they should have made their image super clean so people had nothing/less to hate. Even kpop groups do this before debut. The reality is that they're people and no one can be perfect, but kpop fans want the illusion of perfection and they will roast you if you are anything but.

[@user-dn4xo9eq1l]

KAACHI just would've been so much better off if they had promoted themselves as Pop group. KAACHI is not a Kpop group. They should've labeled themselves as Pop-group or even just a Girl-group with a Kpop concept.

[@jay-pd3zs]

If they debuted as a UK pop-group in my opinion.

[@user-dn4xo9eq1l]

kpop trash yes, seriously. If they had practiced more they sure could have been a big group in western music. but calling themselves a Kpop group wasn't the best idea. (not blaming the girls, it's probably been their manager's idea) Even though the hate made them famous and that's what they wanted :)

[@Sharabiakaia]

kpop trash I don’t know about the next Little Mix but I do think they could’ve been a good girl group

[@vivianhsiao1493]

They do not call pop-group, they call the new girl group. The pop groups already famous & popular or get the top-level already, they have a big entertainment company wanted responsible for this group. Be honest they are not a that great performance, none professional singer or dancer. They need more practice, they need more training. Ready they are not K-pop artists, they just wanted to be famous idols. If they make a dance video, that's okay u can saw their talent. U calling yourself a pop artist, ready u not getting there yet.

[@congivens2606]

They wouldn’t have gone anywhere if they just debuted as a girl group. The song wasn’t that good, tho it had potential, singing and rapping is weak, the synchronization of dancing was poor, and the MV was low-budget. If they don’t have something to boost their clout, nobody would know they exist. That’s why claiming themselves as Kpop helped them in their popularity. Without that slogan, they basically wouldn’t exist.

[@laurv6925]

Lisa, Momo, Natty - all these ‘international’ idols did actually train with Korean companies for several years, and are able to pretty much fluently speak Korean. They had to go through these rigorous trainings for many years before they were allowed to debut, so for these girls to debut after a couple months with a really awkwardly sang and shot song, is probably why they’re getting so much dislike.

[@TanyaVerma]

That is no way justifies the sheer amount of hate they are receiving like death threats? Girl no.

[@vincentgrey4640]

and the important is -- they're asian

[@nela_]

That's how I see it. The thing is if they did all of that and sing better, dance better then no one would have a problem with a UK kpop group.

[@nela_]

@@vincentgrey4640 I think even if you are not asian the people would accept it. For example Rania they had Alexandra who is not asian but people had no problem with it because she had talent in singing and dancing and she was skinny(skinny legend lol). So if you want to do it seriously with the UK kpop group then start training for it like the kpop idols do to achieve their dreams.

[@ogourmetbyonelyvalentin351]

@@vincentgrey4640 I love you

[@stegosaurus8348]

I love this so much. You're so nice and respectful and your opinions are so unbiased.

[@Vivi.isintdy]

i have complety forgotten about them so i went to their channel to see that they improved a lot from their debut songs, I actually love the songs tat they made called one thing which i did not expect

[@Backflipgal12]

I imagine this is why kpop idols tend to delete their online presence when they become a trainee/plan to debut. Kpop fans will purposefully dig for anything they can use against them...

[@jay-pd3zs]

That’s the one thing i don’t like about Kpop fans, they’ll do anything to bash the group if they can find something that they’ll know will bring them down.

[@Aurora-kq7bo]

Word Kpop fans are the most horrible ppl out there no other fans care that much be it dating or weight

[@tsukiko21]

@@Aurora-kq7bo but, all of kpopers is not horrible, there are some that are nice..

[@ifumadstaymadbitch]

@@tsukiko21 majority of them a pessimists, narcissistis 🙂

[@sofiaw4654]

@@tsukiko21the nice ones probably stupid

[@Nick-ue1kg]

I dislike the idea with Kaachi but what made me furious is the fact that that video where Sunny called Jennie lazy was ignored 11 months ago but now kpop fans brought it up in order to hate on Kaachi. Are you really guys taking advantage of that video just to hate on Kaachi? It disgusts me that people brought it up just to hate on Kaachi and not protect Jennie. Those people who hate on Kaachi for that video are also those who would ignore that video 11 months ago.

[@rei___l]

I think it's because most people don't know about them back then

[@zmz7795]

Kaachi wasn’t popular back then and now that they are so they should be criticised

[@foreverpeachy488]

I know right I mean I hate them ngl, but the Jennie stuff, even some blinks call her lazy that's probably why they ignored her comment. But now when they're uk that, everyone is coming for them. It makes no sense

[@alessandram3458]

I feel people are looking for reasons to hate them, no matter how silly those reasons are... It's pretty sad

[@bhavyasrisuggula526]

@sparklynamjoon Factsssss! Like, don't just take one thing to hate them. Criticize Kaachi but protect Jennie

[@Seusha]

But did you guys saw Kaachi’s comeback Photo Magic? They all improveddddd

[@van1llagurll318]

Yes

[@DeoxysDNA]

It's better than Oli London, but I agree still not that good.

[@maknaetzuyu2402]

@Akshara Medam there are many K-POP groups who are on the same level is KAACHI

[@dianasmith8248]

It wasn’t much of an improvement.

[@MixieMooz]

True, that was actually a really good song

[@benjamingrady9113]

I appreciate this woman! Solid content and opinions.

[@yuzukii.1539]

I don't think by introducing themselves as "the Hwasa" or another Kpop idol is disprespectful or rude, I just think it sounds stupid because it's very unprofessional. They're debuting as a new group, but instead of building their own identity, they're choosing to compare themselves to much more successful people.

[@ncyutaspillthattea5566]

Yeah I don't think they meant it in a disrespectful way either

[@caeleycallista9271]

Yuzuki I. EXACTLY

[@itztomato44]

They say "I am the hwasa of the group" they dont say "im hwasa im better than hwasa"

[@aminaammari8283]

This girl was the one who said « I’m the fudyfuci Hwasa »

[@NoctLightCloud]

I find it irritating that Kpop fans who don't look East Asian (so Black, White, Arabs, Indians...) are ALWAYS immediately accused of being Koreaboos, while Koreans, Japanese, Thai, Taiwanese, or Chinese (no matter if they live in the States, Europe, or Asia) are okay? I remember UHSN and how the girls actually weren't cringey at all but some people in the comment sections would still call them Koreaboos. Funny enough, Erii (or Main) was never once called a Koreaboo, although she is literally pursuing a Kpop career because she is a Kpop fan, while the other girls are immediately rejected by these commenters for trying to do the same thing (come to Korea, live there, debut as a choreographer or singer or whatever). Guys.. don't you notice the discrimination here? You're no less evil than the Oscars having been excluding Asians for decades!! Please, guys. Stop. You expect black, Latino, or white peoples' countries to not be racist (I recently saw clips of Koreans in Mexico), so please do the same^^"

[@chaeluxestarleaf1574]

no, i dont see the discrimination here. you western people really want to take everything for yourselves 😭 the west already colonized the east and even now their culture you want to invade :/ it's literally called korean pop. the reason why those east asian countries fit well into it is because those countries also have idol cultures and they also have similarities within each other so it's easier to switch which country you wanted to be an idol in. erii was in produce 48 and is literally an idol herself. ofcourse she wasnt going to be called a koreaboo because she is literally already an idol. "You're no less evil than the Oscars having been excluding Asians for decades!!" i hope you realize how absolutely stupid and uneducated this comment is. what a privileged american thing to say. so you're saying it's okay to imply that asian/eastern films aren't able to compete with western ones due to sheer quality alone? movies are different in that its art; it's completely subjective worldwide whereas kpop is pop in korean culture. "You expect black, Latino, or white peoples' countries to not be racist (I recently saw clips of Koreans in Mexico)" so because eastern people would feel weird if a complete foreigner is trying to enter their music industry and culture means everyone can be racist to asian people 😭 make it make sense girl. your point is such a disgustingly privileged and uneducated take and you should really take it down.

[@NoctLightCloud]

@@chaeluxestarleaf1574 Phew this went completely over your head, and your reading comprehension is a mess par excellence. First of all, where the heck in my comment did I say that I am American, or even white, or priviledged, or a girl?! Also, your entire first paragraph has zero things to do with my point, so does the second. The implication is pulled out of your ass, don't put that into my mouth as I did not say that. I SEE something problematic in East Asians wanting to exclude every foreigner and isolate themselves. Was that so hard to get from my comment? Your third paragraph, how you deduced that from my comment is beyond me. Last paragraph is shameless and tops everything off. That's what I find entertaining about KZbin comments: You never know what you get, and when. Actually, I don't think you're East Asian. You're probably a troll trying to pretend to be East Asian, sitting in a basement, maybe not even a woman. But unline you, I will not assume who you are. Instead, I'm out.

[@Valentina-vy6xc]

Ooooo i can relate to your point. Im indian and have a north-east Indian friend who does kpop dance covers and gets so much shit from people for being a koreaboo just because of her looks. Since a lot of people are unaware, north-eastern Indians have quite a few features similar to east asians. I've myself seen so many people (who clearly are unaware of our people) calling them out for trying to "look" east asians and being koreaboos. Lmao wtf?

[@NoctLightCloud]

@@Valentina-vy6xc Literally all of my close female Japanese friends are Kpop fans, yet no one would call them Koreaboos (despite them only hanging out with me to flirt with my male Korean friends when I father everyone😅). Yet when a "Western" person likes Kpop, it's immediately labelled a fetish or a weeb-notion.

[@stanchoiyena]

i honestly have a lot of respect for you for putting your thoughts out there, you're hella more brave than i am

[@erinmurphy4981]

When you started with it’s kaachi I almost cried 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kermyyy4134]

Its the best part of the song 😅

[@adorablehoney8324]

Okay first off: the problem is definitely scouting. How are you just going to just put someone in a “kpop group” who doesn’t speak korean, has no professional background in dance or singing, and hasn’t even train as a trainee. Like it baffles me. I understand that random scouting happens in the kpop scene but it’s first based on looks/busking talent. That it is when you are properly trained underneath the label etc. Like how are you just going to randomly dm someone, ask them to be in a group in a week advance of “debut?” Unless, they trained under the same label or had some sort of background in debuting etc, but still that makes no sense! It sounds unprofessional for a debut in the kpop world. (This isn’t directed towards ploopy or anything, I’m just saying that being picked to debut is hard thing and not everyone gets to debut.) I could go on but I have better actual kpop groups comebacks that are worth my time 🤧✌🏻

[@seonyeontan5623]

COULDNT AGREE MORE BEB NGL

[@ajssilklapa8925]

Nicole is good at dancing so that's why she was picked lol

[@nela_]

How would they dance together without them looking unsynchronised. All the kpop idols have different dancing styles but it is not that obvious when they dance together, why? Because they get trained to not look unsynchronised and dance as a unit(I saw an analysis on the dancing of Kaachi and omg it was so obvious that they were thrown into the group)😓

[@tiffanymcdonald7195]

adorablehoney the manager is just as sick as the members, she seems off to me.

[@streamonebillionviewsofexo382]

You go and check EXO theyre worth of your time.

[@carsforever4002]

14:23 omg Itzy and Everglow!! Also amazing video I love how you spoke about this, you’re simply amazing!

[@raineyreid6128]

i'm sorry y'all but the tweet that said the fandom name was koochies had me rollingg

[@anes_jade2x7p73]

It was fake and misleading

[@emmam.9376]

honestly did we not learn as a community to not speed false rumors??? like do you guys remember what happened in October ???

[@lesserafimchangedmylife]

Honestly smhh 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ and whenever i tried to tell ppl they were wrong or just by bringing up real evidence to invalidate their accusations, ppl went and attacked me 😔 While i do agree they shouldve taken the label of “kpop” group realistically, they don’t deserve the hate that was given to them through false and uneducated rumors.

[@iamhimman]

honestly the amount of death threts are crazy do they forget theres feelings behind the screen lol i hate to say this but anyone can take their life from fandoms harassing people its happened before.

[@maxyy9874]

wait what happened in october?

[@Ava-np9xn]

Staymae Sulli commuted suicide, Goo Hara soon afterwards

[@rainerrafael9930]

I thought you talk about tati's bye sister...

[@emilysandoval8613]

I think the koreaboo part is mostly about the videos that show their personalities. You can tell they try to emulate a “korean idol” and people can see right through it

[@Lover4bbit]

emily sandoval ayeeee we got the same profile pic

[@chloejade9055]

I think chunseo has gotten the worst of the Koreaboo hate because her stage name is very korean whilst her real name is something like Ruth and they also seem to try to talk like Koreans speaking english in some of the behind the scenes videos.

[@jessicaribeiro8928]

Theres a member with a korean name too 😂

[@emilysandoval8613]

*•Kaguyaa•* Our minds 😌💅🏼

[@emilysandoval8613]

Thatwavycarrot Right I feel like this could’ve all been avoided if they just debuted as a western pop group that sings and dances. The only reason they label themselves as “kpop” is because it’s popular right now which makes them seem inauthentic and clout chasers

[@kyannawarner6879]

I love that quote 'by taking negativity comments about your favorite idols personally you are bringing negativity to your own life'. That is what most Kpop fans of this generation need to learn.

[@fionarajki1345]

I really like how you mentioned that dancing part, I’ve seen a lot of people diss them about it and I was confused cause I knew that they were actual dancers, and figured it must be a showcasing it issue

[@hanbinnie9429]

Imagine claiming yourselves as kpop girl grup while you're not even fluent in korean.. Lisa, Momo, Tsana, Tzuyu, Shuhua and other foreign kpop idols can't relate

[@jeagerbomb_]

Actually, Shuhuha wasn't fluent in Korean for a while, that's why she always wanted to sing the least lines. She was embarrassed and people kept giving her hate for it. But she's a lot better and so much more confident now. ☺

[@whenyoucantchooseabias5679]

Surprised Pikachu thank you for pointing this out I 100% agree

[@alyssiav8472]

Shuhua wasn't fluent in Korean when she debuted. Neither were GOT7's Mark, FX's Amber, Ailee, etc...

[@salmahayfavictoria6749]

Don't forget Mina, Yuqi, Minnie, Sorn, Sakura, Nako, Hitomi, Dita, Lea--

[@crxme_wilk545]

Sana or Tsana

[@soobdoob]

you're is so right about this situation. ppl just kept on hating them like as if they ain't humans? like if u dont like them then click off. u arent doing anything better by cyberbullying them

[@wisterwilson8774]

@Claire S That's fair, but still the death threats are not neccessary. We are all human after all

[@nramao_]

@Claire Strueeeeeeeee ... i hate them for hating the most unproblematic leader channnnnn

[@hoppy7520]

Lina khisham chan really isnt that clean eather...he had appropriated black culture hairstyle, he did apologize and i love him but we can agree that everyone makes mistakes

[@sennap7109]

@Claire S honestly truee. If you put yourself out without a clean history someone's gonna hate u no matter what. Doesn't even rly matter if you deserve it there are people going overboard

[@namjoonsoldmyjamsfor3dolla404]

hell no I don’t like them but sending them death threats is too much

[@yana.t9398]

Honestly came across one of your videos now I'm in love😍 Honestly,, your point of view is honestly great and you're fair and I respect that.

[@arianeflytrap4141]

You're very cool! And I see how you articulated your thoughts and opinions very well from someone who has nothing to lose (in a good way) unlike these kpop idols. Your status right now is very enviable. To speak their mind.

[@user-tk6hj6uj1s]

so they tried recruiting a member in Instagram. professional.

[@iamoffu]

Lol

[@dc9067]

@K Legend Loona is Loona.

[@ncyutaspillthattea5566]

Jin was scouted on a bus

[@nitzaherediaruiz785]

Olivia was scouted by instagram

[@cooldudebroshim8792]

@@dc9067 but loona still did that. So, they called the way they recruited loona technically, unprofessional.

[@hanng1242]

1. RE: Chinese, Japanese and Thai K-pop idols. The look of a group/soloist is very important in K-pop. That is part of the appeal. Despite what people in the Asian market say, Chinese, Japanese and Koreans look sufficiently similar to each other that they don't look out of place in a k-pop group. "CJK" is a term for a reason. With regard to Thai people, they range in look from quite East Asian-looking to rather Malay-looking. Notice that all of the Thai idols in the K-pop industry are more like the former. 2. RE: Is Kaachi k-pop? No. They are not. They are not for the simple reason that they are not really in the Korean music industry. I understand that there was a Korean debut, but they are based in the UK. Being a k-pop idol group means participation in stuff like variety shows, appearing on Music Bank/Inkigayo/Music Core/M Countdown, throwing out pitches for the KBO - stuff like that. I am not sure how they will do that sort of thing on the other side of Eurasia. Since they are not part of the Korean entertainment industry, they are not a k-pop group.

[@i-thinkyoghurtsmoothie7211]

Up

[@hj-mm2hb]

I’m Korean American, and I can’t understand their Korean whatsoever, and I sometimes can’t even understand their English

[@huirui8051]

agree

[@ARMY-zw1in]

@@hj-mm2hb I'm not Korean but I know a bit of it And it did seem off

[@sunmiswashingmachine2753]

@@hj-mm2hb I'm not korean but I can understand when people speak korean and I can talk in korean and when chunseo sang her korean parts I was like "tf is this?"

[@sangmee7356]

It's super ignorant of Kaachi to market themselves as K-pop... (long read lolol) You don't have to be Korean to be a K-pop idol, we see many professional idols from other Asian countries. We see SNSD Tiffany from the US, TWICE Sana from Japan, Got7 Jackson from China. Some idols are of mixed races like Somi who is white and Korean. But they are all Asian. Asians don't have the same opportunities in the West compared to white counterparts, so they go into Korea for more opportunities. (Idols from surrounding Asian countries go to Korea for bigger opportunities, but I'm not sure if they're necessarily disadvantaged.) Ex: Tiffany dreamed to be a US pop star, but had to go to Korea to get a foothold. And Jessi. Despite her hardships in Korea, she pursued music there for a reason. Many idols are like that. They want to pursue music, but where they are from may not give them the best circumstances. *((Zach Sang's podcast with Eric Nam gives some of Eric's perspective and details of this)) But when white people try to join the scene, it's not the same. Sure, the music industry is tough, but white people are more advantaged in the West compared to Asians. We see gatekeeping against Asians in the music industry in America (Korea too, but it's more based on the company/label, not race). Name an Asian-American singer you have grown up with... I can't think of any. K-pop had the most Asian representation for me. And people can be free to decide a genre. But K-pop is literally the broad term for Korea's music industry, it's not a really genre. To me, it is more of a geographic term, it happens to be location. So when white people enter K-pop and try to take away this Asian representation/opportunity when they can succeed elsewhere, it doesn't seem right. Korea is homogenous. Americans shouldn't be entitled to speak about not seeing non-Asians. This is Korean, it's not all created to cater to the West. (I don't mean to offend anyone. I'm voicing my opinion on an issue, as this upsets me as a Korean-American.)

[@cherish6003]

Actually check their channel, their pretty improving more and more

[@LukeBridger]

Not 6 paragraphs on something that's not even true 😭

[@myassitches-vh3ii]

You're 1000 word essay is still your opinion and saying that you're KoReAn AmErIcAn won't back your argument up either. Kpop is a genre, and not some escape hole for Koreans to become idols because westerners 'keep taking their spotlight'

[@DutchFemme]

I agree with you. People see Kpop as genre (Especially outside Korea) while the whole term of Kpop stands for Korean Pop Music, just like in the cases of Jpop, Western Pop, Nederpop (Dutch pop music). There is nothing wrong with singing in another language, neither is getting inspiration. But they would never qualify as Korean Pop unless the company would be Korean or be in Korea. This part is my own opinion: I find it unfair since we all know how hard trainees have it in the Kpop industry and how most never get to debut. Of course it's good for them they get treated way better and they should do their thing. I am not against it or would hate because why would I? But I find it hard to ever see them on the same level as Kpop bands. Even on the same stage, I just doesn't feel fair to me.

[@DutchFemme]

I do not agree in the fact that non-asians aren't allowed to work in the Kpop industry. If they get scouted and work just as hard to learn Korean, learn to dance and sing and all other things. They are just as valid as asan or half-asian idols. Look at Blackswan, they have a black member and she is working just as hard as the others, maybe even harder because they don't help her with the language and stuff.

[@cinnamellou]

Glad you weren’t in.They are getting so much hate rn

[@MxTheLight]

I got into K-Pop little over a year ago and one of the things I enjoyed seeing from artists was their synchronized dancing, flow of the lyrics, and the amount of training and effort given for performances and content. I only made it half way through the debut song, so I didn't feel any of that with them. I wish the best for the women but it's not my cup of tea

[@akmalizzati2753]

Hv u checked out zgirls & zboys? They are a pan asian group that trained in korea. The called themselve zpop cuz their songs are in eng but inspired by kpop

[@rapthor666]

THIS is the proper way to say: I don't like it.

[@zuzu6864]

As someone who didn't like girl groups before, Twice has catchy music. I suggest checking out more of their stuff

[@Luuhpan]

@@zuzu6864 That's random. Kk

[@MxTheLight]

@@zuzu6864 Twice was actually the first K-Pop group I got into, but thank you for the recommendation

[@zanerobbins7604]

Omg imagine Wendy dissing Taeyeon on an insta live like cardi 😂😂

[@viviantran7063]

Zane Robbins omg 😂

[@nou9535]

Wendy would get so much hate--

[@yizhuoluv2186]

Wendy would never do that but it’s funny to think about 😭

[@sx.pistols]

Is it bad I would laugh😂

[@108daytona6]

Zane Robbins noooo, they’re friends 😂😂

[@hoehoehello5736]

Kaachi has a lot of potential, and i think that their sound has improved in their recent song "Photo Magic"... But think how much better the group would've been with ploopy!

[@johnnyj2d3]

I'm just going to say that your channel is bringing good things to the internet community... every single opinion you have it's always said with respect and by researching about it before talking... you are making a lot of people understand that you should NEVER give an opinion if you don't have any information about the subject or if you are not giving a positive feedback about it... thank you for that!

[@leeadelluna1091]

i feel like they should have just debuted as a normal girl group like little mix and not a uk kpop group because half the members can’t speak Korean and they never really went through training with a entertainment company

[@micaela6938]

True

[@sugarcut]

I'm glad someone pointed out the hwasa thing. I agree that it may not be the best comparison but if you care to actually listen to what they are saying to form an opinion and not just jump on a bandwagon she didn't say anything disrespectful.

[@mirandaw2520]

exactly. there are so many fake rumors being thrown around by fake accounts that try to frame kaachi. I'm not a fan, but they don't deserve that.

[@nochuforu15]

Rite.. the first time I heard bout the Hwasa one, I feel like nothing is wrong with it. It is a way of her saying that she's a fans of Hwasa so why did people are so mad?

[@nochuforu15]

@@mirandaw2520 I know right. I feel bad for them actually. When the producer tried to explain about the rumors, some people don't even want to listen. The rumors are every where especially the rumors about their fandom name and lightstick

[@hayatosato1333]

Please take the time to read my thoughts on why people were angry at Miso comparing herself to Hwasa. People don't understand the reason why some were mad when Miso said she's like Hwasa from MAMAMOO. They don't know the reason period because they are not moomoos (MAMAMOO stans) and they don't know Hwasa's life story. I don't care if Hwasa is Miso's role model or that it was a relative comparison. I understand she wasn't saying she's literally Hwasa. It might not have been her intention but as a moomoo, seeing Miso having a darker complexion in a group with 3 white people, it seemed like she was referring to Hwasa's darker complexion compared to her groupmates. Hwasa has been bullied ever since she was a child for having tan skin, or a darker skin tone than most Koreans have. She was constantly rejected from entertainment companies and her dreams because she was too tan and didn't fit Korean beauty standards, not because she wasn't talented. Even after she finally found her current label, which accepted her purely based on talent, and debuted, she faced huge public backlash and people petitioning to kick her out of MAMAMOO just because she is tan and thicker than most idols. So to hear Miso casually comparing herself to Hwasa because she's the "darker" one in their group and to hear others saying that we're being angry for no reason breaks my heart because moomoos know how much Hwasa went through and still goes through. She wrote and composed many songs on her most recent solo album, Maria, just as a response to her haters. Again I know that not everyone knows her backstory and I don't expect everyone to know it. I ALSO KNOW IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN MISO'S INTENTIONS and she just might really like Hwasa. But please don't be so quick to dismiss our feelings. We're thankful if she does like Hwasa but this still hit something.

[@hope3067]

I'm just seeing this clip of that Kaachi girl saying the the Hwasa of Mamamoo and I know little about either group but even I INSTANTLY knew that was a comment about skin color

[@destinyg7340]

This is 100% facts

[@valloriya]

This is an good comment, I'd also like to add my two cents. It would be in poor taste for me to join a group and introduce myself as the Beyoncé of said group. Beyoncé has done the work to carve out her place and I haven't made even a fraction of the impact that she has. It's just poor form 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@peach4246]

As a moomoo, i get your point, but it didnt really feel like she was reffering to skin. It felt like she was more so aluding to her more confident, sexy vibe, just like how Hwasa would have. Since they all have their own personality its similar to saying "Im like the sporty spice of the group" and solely meaning personality wise, not in appearance or talent

[@hayatosato1333]

@@peach4246 Everybody interpreted it in different ways. That's fine. There are ppl who interpreted it as referring to skin tone and ppl who interpreted it the way you did. I just wanted to offer a possible explanation as to why some ppl were riled up rather than be called irrational because some ppl think those who are riled up don't know that it was a "relative comparison"

[@carpelibrum2100]

The song is SO catchy. Like I don’t absolutely love it, but I always find it stuck in my head.

[@lucasmunoz8413]

FINALLY! Someone made an objective video about this whole KAACHI situation. I mean, the only thing I see with videos or posts that talk about this is hate and people laughing at this group. Of course, I don't consider KAACHI a kpop group for obvious reasons, and I can fully notice that they might not be very prepared to debut, but those girls definitely DO NOT deserve the amount of hate they are receiving. Some of those kpop fans that are laughing at KAACHI and making hate comments are the same ones that were talking about mental health when Sulli and Goo Hara commited suicide. Just imagine the desilusion of making real your dream of being something like an idol but then seeing all the hate that came with that...

[@fmvsandmorenet7679]

Lucas Muñoz THANK YOU, finally someone who gets it. People are just making such a big deal out of it. Like damn leave those girls alone they’re not affecting you life or making kpop any less relevant like if you don’t like something then just leave it alone, don’t give it any attention. What’s the point of theating them and making them feel like shit. Most of you are just hating to hate, not even knowing anything other than what other people say smh

[@alessandram3458]

@@fmvsandmorenet7679 I know right? Honestly I don't like them at all (not personally cause I don't know them) I just don't like their music or all of that, but I don't understand why people got so angry about it like, even sending death threats, I think it's not fair

[@bhavyasrisuggula526]

I feel like, the more we hate them and give attention to hate them, we r just giving them more things to stem off of. Like, we shouldn't hate them. and death threats r way far. hopefully, they will realize that they should change it up

[@streamsetmefre3]

stop bringing up Sulli every time it's a situation like this. she didn't deserve the hate but one of the members literally ships herself with a kpop idol, called Chan racist. people who've trained with them know they don't even like each other and they're all stuck up.

[@madisonbarkley9199]

@@streamsetmefre3 So you think it's okay to send death threats and hate to them just because of that? It's doesn't make you much of a better person to hate on them. And most of the things you said are just rumors. No person deserve to get hated on or sent death threats.

[@Sashimitch_]

I'M SORRY BUT DID SHE JUST SAY THAT THEIR GROUP'S AS FLEXIBLE AS NCT AND LOONA.... I'M-----

[@ellejung2330]

i widened my eyes when i read "nct"-

[@amulyaganti6416]

I was drinking my coffee...i paused the video to read that. When i read it, i spilled the hot coffee all over my clothes.

[@ctommylore1921]

@@amulyaganti6416 OMG ARE YOUR CLOTHES OKAY?!?!?!?!?!

[@harmonyfuntime1082]

What part was that?

[@daniiokonkwo]

she meant in terms of the concept of changing members not dance flexibility obviously. This is exactly what the girl meant in the video when she said that people are taking these girls words out of context

[@xasha_seraphim]

New favorite youtuber ❤️

[@angelinazhou9414]

I think I am addicted to your videos 👀 your topics are so interesting :)

[@mon-jp8jt]

I really hope people stop throwing so much hate on them. It’s kinda sad how so many people are falling into so many CLEARLY false rumors. It’s also sad how people are really so insecure, that they have to bash on a group of mostly innocent girls through the screen to somehow feel better about themselves. It truly is so sad.

[@lavanyaverma1194]

You're right... I mean they ARE pretty bad as they have not practiced that much... but yeah we should stop the hate.. after all they are humans too, and criticism will hurt them a lot.

[@lenn452]

I thought I was the only one thinking that looking at all the hate comments on their MV and those "kaachi is problematic" videos...

[@sennap7109]

I don't think it has anything to do w insecurity. Even if i agree w the fact they don't deserve blatant hate, compared to basic kpop industry they do lack alot of skills

[@jaeg3581]

senna l so youre saying they deserve to die. Ok, got it. #bitchbye

[@M_jh_]

You are such a queen

[@crystellawu]

I think the best thing to do is completely ignore them. Like, just don't watch their videos or other videos about Kaachi. The whole point is to get attention (and youtube views), so if you don't like them, you shouldn't let them have even a second of your attention. Nothing else would be worse, I'd think, and it also preserves your own integrity --leaving hate comments is just giving them more attention and helping them grow.

[@vamplex]

Just an opinion: People these days just roll with the crowd. If someone gets hated on, people will hate on them to because they don’t want to seem like an outcast. Kaachi posted a video where they reacted to Johnny and they took his criticism. People in the comments apologized to them and Kaachi even liked those comments. It’s a shame how y’all preach to not send death threats and don’t harass when that’s exactly what y’all did to them. Kaachi didn’t do anything wrong, y’all simply watched one video and made an assumption. Don’t let it happen again. To anyone. You don’t have to like them but you don’t have to disrespect them either. I agree (this comment is from Pringle on angelina's 2nd video abt Kaachi), but I think they shouldn't have debuted without more preparation. They probably didn't expect this kind of reaction, and also, apparently half of their "scandals" are fake. The talk about how they are appropriatizing kpop is a whole other convo.

[@ncyutaspillthattea5566]

Thank you

[@exhhhhh_b]

I AGREE!!!!

[@posierosie6452]

If they didnt want such things to happen...they should have been more careful of their actions..like..wat?..lazy dancing as in imitating jennie?..bro!..ITS NOT LIKE BLINKS CAN EASILY JUST IGNORE THAT!..

[@svqmei]

I don't hate Kaachi, I don't really know a lot about them since a lot of people just spread rumours..

[@HikaruYuun]

@@posierosie6452 It was the audience that said that

[@nooraellikaroliina9888]

So refreshing that you’re not just dragging them but doing research and critiquing them respectfully!! 💗 the whole hate/cancel culture these days is pretty sickening and imo does more damage than good... So thanks for a great video!! 🥰 I’ve already subbed to you because of your dance learning videos but would sub again if I could 😂💕

[@repliesthendisappears2982]

thank you so much, i appreciate comments like this. not a fan of the group but the hate is going overboard lol. i hope your comment gets on top so that some(most) people could wake up and learn that bullying is not everything.

[@VanessaGarcia-ez4oy]

Yes 100% agreed, it’s okay to not like something, but how can people have so much HATE to want to send dead threats and intense hate. Canceling culture is extremely toxic and can seriously hurt the victims. I’m tired of seeing so much Hate in the Kpop culture. It can make a person overwhelm. Thank you for you twos comments!

[@ncyutaspillthattea5566]

Facts

[@fernandoa9164]

Korea’s IT girl Jennie was injured at the time that people thought she was “lazy”, YG just address it too late.

[@nameless9822]

damn... yall still in denial? lmao

[@sprite6833]

Like we know she wasn't dancing her best , people don't need to be soo defensive , her dancing spoke for itself. And yes she was injured also she was going through depression , all of the girls had it tough cause of YG scandals . It's not the end of the world , she.was.lazy* ( not dancing like she normally did) .

[@ssnekky]

Fernando A oh that’s the scandal? I noticed she was a bit slow in a video, but Lisa was also unusually slow so I came to an assumption that they were both just really exhausted from performing for hours.

[@mjandres3753]

@@sprite6833 thus, calling someone "lazy" because of an incident(a specific video or two) is very wrong. There mist be reason/s why she performed that way but saying (actually declaring) that she's"lazy" after 6 years of rigorous trainings and still kickin her ass up to this date means something, that she's not "lazy".

[@mjandres3753]

@@nameless9822 u too ⤴️☝️

[@nachoboe]

I respect you so much. You have your own opinion about things, but you don’t push it on people, and share it in a respectful way that won’t cause drama. I hope more people take your example and that people who don’t like Kaachi also share their opinion this way. All of these types of videos of yours are always so interesting to watch, and it’s so refreshing that you actually look at both sides of the story before speaking.

[@ploopy678]

Thanks!🤗

[@yeonkang1530]

I would like to stan SB19 from Philippines rather than nvm

[@lorenz2418]

iz kaachi charot

[@tobiengan9094]

Actually I support SB19 (not stan) because they have trained genuinely in a company, and sing in the language they came from, I watched a video abt SB19 saying that they are a genuine group, I’ll send a link in a moment

[@tobiengan9094]

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[@legocorpse972]

Yeon Kang I actually do stan SB19...they are A LOT more better than...Kaachi...but I don’t like it when people compare SB19 with Kaachi tho, like SB19 is so much more talented than Kaachi (I’m just saying...Kaachi needs A LOT more work to get where they wanna get) SB19 are very humble and down-to-earth people (they are also very funny too), and they don’t actually label themselves as “Kpop”...they are a Ppop band (even though they take some inspiration from Kpop and use it in their band) so they speak, sing and rap in a language which they are comfortable speaking in. That’s honestly why I like them so much. Anyways stan SB19 😊💗.

[@maylawunkyaw1626]

We have that kind of group in myanmar too.It's called ALFA and it's a boy group.They references from k pop but they sing in burmes language.Hope you don't mind.

[@uwuvwv475]

Finally someone who understand my point. Most youtubers who react to them doesn't even bother to dig deeper. I'm not a fan of kaachi but I'm also not a fan of bias react and also false informations. Most of them say "I'm not trying to be biased" yet most of the content and infos are from haters.

[@eleonoraruvolo8593]

You DEFINETELY deserve more subscribers♡

[@hexaprawns8256]

the fact that they were specifically looking for an asian fourth member as an afterthought. how does anyone not see this as cultural appropriation... The Asian entertainment industry and culture is vastly different from the Western one. KPop groups are known to exist within KPOP is because of the variety shows and training they often do not exist outside of Asia. Kinda sick and tired of Westerners trying to copy our successes, yet will still shit on us endlessly...

[@marie5760]

Bruh

[@audrey-annelemaire9307]

100% My problem with it is that white people already dominate the western music world,,, can't we just let this one thing happen?

[@user-kf6yt4mn9v]

Who invented pop music and rapping, do you think?

[@Myajo0]

Wait my question is isn't their two Asians in the group? A lot of people keep saying theirs two then one and I've done some research but it still confuses me

[@LukeBridger]

@@Myajo0 there's 2. Coco is fully Korean and Chunseo is Filipino. Nicole is Spanish and Dani is white/British but fluent in Korean

[@MADEbySOUL]

Personally, the production company is the one people need to send constructive criticism the most. No death threats or bullying anyone. If I understood this right, the group was founded by a South Korean woman and she had the responsibility of fully educating and assessing the group on Korean, Korean etiquette, and KPOP standards all together. There is a reason why trainees are in terrible slave contracts with companies. These companies see these trainees as "investments" and make sure they have the proper vocal, dancing, PR, and rapping lessons before they step onto stage. Making a KPOP group takes time and money aside from determined, talented and skilled trainees. Lisa, Bam Bam, Jackson Wang, and other foreign IDOLS demonstrate that learning Korean and learning Korea culture is important. Even racially, Lana shows that white individuals need to be fluent in Korean and train. The members of Kaachi were horriblily ill prepared by the company and do not blame the individual members for this gross oversight.

[@MirueYT]

Yeah i think Kaachi wasn't an investment. I don't even think they got paid. Most kpop idols train for months to years to be idols, during those times, the companies pay for expenses such as language lessons, vocal coaches, dance lessons, acting, modeling, interview skils, ect. (There are vids of past kpop idols explaining their trainee experiences all over KZbin) the only thing i feel like the company for Kaachi put money into was the sets, editing and camera directing. I believe they didn't even dance in a studio when practicing (because there is a HUGE difference between people who learn dances without looking at themselves execute the moves versus people who actually practice dance in a mirror.) The company is also shady and cheap and rushed these poor girls to debut in hopes to earn their money back (which i think they did with the amount of veiws on the music vids, even if they are from haters and critiques) but compared to actual kpop groups, it'd take longer to pay back the company, especially with mnet shows, promotions and stuff. I don't even know if Kaachi is being paid, lol. Poor girls.