I was so hyped I bought Temtem 5 TIMES and the game is... Exhausting... | A Review

What a shame, I really have a lot that I'd love to gush about with Temtem... Unfortunately these issues are just too much and over all the time during early access and now with the official launch I think its pretty clear that I'm just not compatible with the devs of Temtem.
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[@RebirthOG]

"I hate RNG" Well while it isn't present within battles, it IS present in every, and I mean EVERY single other activity.

[@Shenaldrac]

Please stop putting in-game transactions in games that you already charge players for the privilege of playing.

[@itsagabe]

I saw the writing on the wall in early access when the developers said to me directly that cosmetics were designed as an endgame activity, hence why they were obscenely expensive. Of course, what that actually says is "we want you to feel like you have to buy the premium cosmetics, so instead of encouraging you to do that by making them more appealing than the ones you can get through gameplay, we made them so expensive that the thought of grinding money for them will just make you open your wallet instead." They're not at all open t criticism when it comes to the economy, as they had their mind set on how it was designed early in development. To make matters worse, the regulars defend the practice. Such a shame... After the disappointment that was 1.0, I just sank another 100h into Pokémon Ultra Moon instead, since I hadn't tackled the endgame there yet. Best decision I made regardless of what people think of gen 7.

[@glendaal67]

I genuinely think gen 7 is underrated. I think the games made a lot of things really well. Aside from horrible practices Pokemon games have had forever with locking content behind another full price game and charging yet another two games for upgrading the game to a better version, I had little bad to say about them. The lenghty unskippable tutorial was one thing though.

[@hispancakes3478]

Ultra Sun is easily my favorite monster tamer game

[@LoneSWarrior]

HOW THE HELL DO YOU INCREASE THE PRICE OF AN INGAME ITEM BY 15 TIMES THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT JUST TO STILL HAVE IT COST 5 TIMES MORE THAN IT ORIGINALLY DID WHEN CRANKING DOWN THE PRICE!?

[@talkswithleo1027]

The fact that tem tem evolution is based on level up + level you got it at and not just pre coded level, confuses and astounds me

[@FubukiTheIcyKing]

See when I'm grinding in Pokemon its a choice (either looking for a rare mon, leveling, looking for shinies, or breeding). And when you buy clothes they are for the most part cheap aside from the designer brands or the fancy location. This just sounds like a fan game that makes grinding for grinding sake. And having diminishing returns and limited breeding is too much. Monster Rancher had limited breeding but it made sense why also you didn't need to do it for cash.

[@old.angelless]

wow, you captured my feelings perfectly. Temtem is the only game I have more than a thousand hours in, and not because it was so fun, but because of grindy mindless activities you have to perform if you want to achieve something in it. I used to optimize my gameplay so much in order to just play less of the game so I can have something meaningful done in the meantime. Feel the same as you, bro. The same as you.

[@TheDisturbed0ne1]

Serious question, why do you keep grinding the game if you don't find it fun? It's just a game.

[@old.angelless]

@@TheDisturbed0ne1 grinding is made to be addictive. it's also a really relaxing thing to do sometimes because you can just turn off your brain. but in the end you lose more than you gain.

[@JACpotatos]

​@@old.angellesshonestly dude..... Just play a game that's good. I get that it's meant to be addictive, but it's not hard to find a different grindy/addictive game that's actually satisfying to play

[@old.angelless]

@@JACpotatos yeah, I do. This is like playing minesweeper - some games are ok, a lot are not. Sometimes you put hours upon hours first and get to understand that it was not worth only later.

[@harley202]

​@@old.angelless yes hours upon hours, not over 1000 on a game you're not enjoying. That's just insane. 😅

[@TheShadowHatter]

Man it's as if you read my early access review and put it into a beautifully crafted video! Not to mention I wanted to gouge my eyes out when you kept mentioning MORE stuff I didn't stick around long enough for. This game has become such a dumpster fire and the fact that the devs/mods delete your posts if you give them any constructive criticism had turned me from someone who cared about the game hoping it would become better, to someone just enjoying the show as they lose players and more and more people are wise to the odd schemes they were up to with this game. Thank you for this video dude seriously!

[@Magmadu100]

That's a shame. I hope the devs find their footing so the game can grow into popularity, it's really interesting to think about where a creature collection MMO could develop into, I think

[@Munbalance]

I hope so too but people have been complaining about the grind since Early access 2, we assumed it would get better with more content but it really didn't scale all that hard

[@lata1224]

Something I want to mention while we wait for temtem showdown. Ranked matches scale your temtem to perfect, the only effort you would put into your temtem at that point is egg moves and TVs. Which granted is still a bit of effort, but nowhere near the cost of breeding or buying perfects. On the topic of dojo rematches, it's a trap that me and others fell into, thinking we needed perfect, min-maxed temtem. There are plenty of breedjects that sell for 5k or less on the AH that you can put 500 tvs into ATK/SPATK and 500 into Speed/HP and do fine on the rematches.

[@Munbalance]

note on the scaling, you're still required to get the held items for your tem, and level them to potentially 100 for the correct move pool as for dojo rematches, its absolutely possible to beat them without perfect tems but I think the average player would rather have a fair fight, also something I forgot to mention is the prize money from them decreases every time you lose, so I can see the average player not wanting to try this out until they have a perfect team, which essentially drops that potential money making method out the window

[@seanrichardson7421]

The rematch dojo leader teams don’t have perfect tems either so it is a fair fight even without perfects. I started doing my dojo rematches during the story after kisiwa since they scale to your highest level tem haha! And ended up making 32000 pansun before I started cipanku in a day

[@captbiddy160]

As popular as Pokemon has been over the years its surprising that temtem is the only real competition. You would expect a plethora of monster taming games worth the time.

[@Munbalance]

Well as someone who grew up in the 90s I can assure you plenty tried to emulate the pokemon formula but they all kinda fell into obscurity. Although it does seem like the tides are changing though, since a bunch of games seem to be in development that work on the creature collector motif. Pal World looks really funny what with its "pokemon with guns" and Kindred Fates looks to be freaking adorable but also pretty awesome at the same time the bad part is that we're waiting till 2023 for most of these games to be playable.

[@rickdiculous5655]

Temtem is not even competition for pokemon LOL!

[@oo0024]

@@Munbalance well if we’re talking about the vintage Pokémon games you can’t say Nexomon isn’t absolutely brilliant

[@oo0024]

Monster hunter stories is the best Pokémon game I’ve ever played it absolutely wipes the floor with sword and shield

[@Christian-eq7uh]

Persona.

[@adam7802]

The grind is irritating for me not because it is grindy so much, but there is so little to do - you are stuck with a monotonous grind or don't progress. I can't tell you how painful it was for me to get some money going to get a team of sorts at the beginning of my endgame... then because I'm a perfectionist they all had to be perfect, only for them to become irreverent anyway. So I just stopped bothering. Their priorities have been so insanely off the mark it's hard to believe. No chat on day 1, no auction house until the game was nearly finished, and showdown 2-3 months after full release, even though PvP is meant to be on of the main draws of this game?!? I can't understand it at all. Then they have outright said they aren't adding new tems or locations, it's like they don't want to commit to making a good game - or they don't want money.

[@TheShadowHatter]

That's the issue is they DO want your money, they're just being scummy by doing it with microtransactions and battle passes instead of stuff people ACTUALLY care about. Like the OP said their monetization is pretty predatory when you boil it down.

[@adam7802]

​@@TheShadowHatter This is just the thing though. For mtx to make money people have to actually want to play your game lol I don't focus on mtx because they were pretty transparent it was going to be a thing, I don't remember if they gave specifics of how it would work but I knew it was going to be there.

[@Jess-vk6mp]

I’ve sunk in 100hrs into this game and I completely agree with all of your points you made. I’ve finally reached Cipanku (the 5th out of 6th island I think?) so I’m practically to the end of the game. About midway through I thought “maybe eventually I’ll start earning more money as I keep playing” but I’ve consistently only have been able to have about max 20,000 pansuns. That’s with breeding or catching tems and selling them in the auction house, winning meager amounts of money from battles and sort of doing freetem. It’s VERY tedious to get money in this game and that is my biggest complaint with it. It’s so bad that I’m almost finished beating it and I don’t see the point to keep playing. It feels like the game punishes you for wanting relax and have fun. I’m not really having any fun playing it anymore and just feels like a chore. Customization is impossible because it’s expensive, doing literally anything including exploring the map is expensive because healing items are ridiculously priced and the healing stations are super spaced out for some stupid reason. And the teleportation drone or whatever it’s called could help with the backtracking and how much running around everywhere you have to do but of course the devs can’t let us have it until the game is practically finished… WHY?! Why can’t we have it at least in the middle of the game. Like by the 2nd or 3rd island? That would make so much more sense. Also why do we have to pay to use it?? And why can’t we unlock teleportation zones as we play the game from the start?? Why do we have to backtrack more to go to each island and unlock the teleportation zones? How is simply exploring the map not enough in the first place?? Once I found out about that it literally killed my desire to play this game. The whole point of the teleportation thing is to circumvent having to run around everywhere for hours but in order to even use the damn thing you have to run around for hours! And getting it toward the end of the game is pointless since I don’t care about pvp or anything else after I beat the game The ironic thing is it sounds like the devs wanted to make this game to be like an improvement on the whole Pokémon system but they somehow made it worse and more annoying and tedious. I really really wanted to love this game. I definitely gave it a fair shot but Like you said this game is exhausting. It sounds like a good game in concept but there’s so many things that ruin the fun. Earning pansuns and buying stuff is one of the biggest issues I have with it. If they fixed that it would be way more fun and feel worth it. Especially if I can easily customize my character. To me it seems like the devs made the game this way to pad out the time it takes to beat it. I probably would have beat it within 40-50hrs if it weren’t for all the backtracking, running around, grinding, and not being able to fast travel. And mounts aren’t that much faster. I was a sucker and bought a mount with real money (and the angel wings too of course because I have no self restraint) thinking it would improve my speed but ha jokes on me. The devs said “f you” took my money and all I have is a mount that looks kinda cool but isn’t much faster than running… which they don’t tell you before buying it and you don’t have access to its full benefits until you do a quest like you mentioned. There’s some cool ideas that I really enjoy like the auction house. That is absolutely something I’d love to see in Pokémon. I also kind of enjoy collecting the stickers but you definitely pick up a shit ton of damaged ones which is annoying after picking up 50 stickers and only like 10 are pristine and count toward the sticker book. I like the mounts in theory too but needs a lot of improvement. Should be available earlier in game with full benefits. They seriously expect players to have to run around everywhere when in Pokémon you get a bike pretty early on in their games. I’m just so frustrated I spent so much time and money on this game and am totally burnt out. Until they fix the issues you pointed out im not playing it anymore. Really sucks because I would love more games like Pokémon and this seemed like it would be a good contender but the devs screwed it up by making it purposely tedious.

[@franciscorubalcaba861]

No one is going to read all that smh chill

[@themesofgaming4888]

@@franciscorubalcaba861 How i hate that attitude. They have something to say and if you arent interested you are free to not read it. The Fact that they are Invested enough to take their time and write something like this is great and i love seeing it. Some of us do read this stuff and they didnt Have to give us this Information, but they felt like sharing it and thats Respectable.

[@bl4z3monster16]

@@themesofgaming4888 ugh, now talking to much.

[@bl4z3monster16]

*-ow tal-

[@fizzy293]

These are some really solid criticisms that not only are true but, probably does/will dissuade many players. I am new to the game starting at 1.0 and really am enjoying it. I am going to continue playing but oof 😓 Honestly this does make me slightly concerned about the longevity of TemTem.

[@Munbalance]

Hey if you're enjoying yourself that is great! I really like temtem and I think the base campaign is well worth the $40 but I don't have a lot of hope for it as an MMO because of the issue pressed in the video. if you close your eyes and pretend its single player it can still get pretty monotonous at times but overall a positive experience. I hope my video does not sour your experience, and I hope you continue to have fun!

[@JamFlexx]

I accidentally bought 99 temcard after 2hrs of gameplay lol The first two routes were brutal too for grinding

[@TheJoukai]

Everything about Temtem seems to want to FORCE the player to play it more. Everything requires more time than it should just for the sake of getting you to log in every day, and the breeding system seems designed to waste your time or uphold some kind of trading market. The developers really needed to take a moment and examine their systems and ask "is this fun?". But as Temtem existed when I played, and from what I can tell from this video, still exists; Temtem isn't interested in you having fun, it's interested in wasting your time. Honestly, I think making Temtem an MMO was its single biggest misstep. This should have been a single player game with online co-op and matches.

[@joemop8790]

I honestly agree with all of these criticisms. It's such a shame because these things are holding the game back from me really enjoying the game. Early access was unbearable with teleporter fees. After the main story it went from a reasonably fun game to all out painful grind that honestly didn't even feel very rewarding. It seems the current state of the game tries to punish the player more than work with the player. I've revisited this game after the 1.0 release and other than clothes being slightly cheaper, it still feels like there is a lot of work to be done :(

[@Munbalance]

yeah, its a real shame, this is NOT the review I wanted to give temtem, to be perfectly honest there's a lot of GOOD to talk about but as far as it being a MMO or "Forever game" I don't think that's gonna happen.

[@luistoses]

I recommend to all of you to have a try to Nexomon Extinction and Coromon. Such compelling games.

[@soulflame5635]

Thank You Mun for this vid. Long time Pokemon fan ( 35 ) played Monster Sanctuary and Nexomon - excellent games. Friendly Devs who listen to fans improve and make game amazing. I was wondering about Tem at sale - looked in for answer from someone who played it for longer time. Sad but I'll not give Tem Devs any money - because of their practices approach etc. I don't feed greedy govs/corps/devs/comps. Gentlemen respect Yourself and vote with Your time, attention and money - pick brands/devs that respect You and don't pull ton of money - make game chore in such way to force You to spend money. There are few Pokemon fan made MMORPGS that are vgood - for free - where You can spend money for costumes/mounts - not p2w. PokemonWorldOnline - was great to meet ppl fight them / chill / talk. PokeMMO too. I'll be on lookout for good 'monster ' games. See You in field Trainers

[@Mark-wr8td]

monster sanctuary was amazing lol

[@Shinntoku]

Wow this really sounds like basically everything I worry would happen if they tried to make an actual Pokémon MMO

[@rustyshackleford4117]

Thanks for the honest review, nice to see someone who's actually critical of another game that apparently has zero respect for the player's time. With drop rates and money-earned this slowly, TemTem is barely better than most Gacha games.

[@ssilent8202]

I’m about halfway through the game and I feel obligated to say that the game forces you to learn to manage your money and what you buy. But once you do learn, it gets very easy to manage the money.

[@Aki145]

I feel tired just by watching it... I think I will just finish the main story and unistall again...

[@HereticalGamer]

Man I had some nitpicks, but I whole heartedly agree with a lot of what you're saying. I have 3 kids and work OT months at a time with 12 to 13 hour shifts. The difference is that the grind is quiet enjoyable for me (the majority of it). My biggest gripe was that the battle pass and online nature made me want to just steam roll the story. Which I did. However; I look forward to their nuzlock mode. I have a history of grindy MMOs, a longer history with Pokémon (I'm old), and a MAJOR desire for a good monster tamer game. That's my biggest thing, probably. My disappointment in modern Pokémon and its quality. This game is just perfect thing at perfect time for me. Enjoyed the video! EDIT: I am a major target of FOMO and hate that I am.

[@colinwendt9992]

I've watched a few glowing reviews of this game that nearly convinced me to buy it so it was nice hearing the other side and make a more balanced purchasing decision. On one hand, this game appears to address a lot of the issues I have with the modern Pokemon games, but on the other it does seem like there is a lot of padding in the game to keep players coming back that makes me question if I'd enjoy the grind.

[@montecristosmith2343]

Got the impression that a lot of the glowing reviews (from KZbinrs specifically) were made more out of spite for modern Pokemon than because of Temtem's actual quality... There's much better Pokemon like games out there.

[@sonic-bb]

for me, the moment they said mmo, i knew it would be exhausting. modern mmo's have absolutely 0 respect for players time. As if their games should be the only game we play

[@breadbugs]

if i was getting annoyed at the trainer spam before i even fought the first dojo i honeslty fear to continue the game

[@tonyromero8219]

Every postal delivery quest has a chance to drop a handful of spirits favor, incubator tickets, wish you well coins, temspotters ,or minimonoliths. Each of these sell for a few thousand each on the AH. Wish you well coins can be gambled at fountains for pheremones, clothing, furniture, and dyes some of which sell for as high as 100,000 pansun. Wish you well coins themselves sell for a decent price as well so you get to choose whether or not to gamble. If you buy a stack of basic temcards and catch as many low level temtem as possible in 15 minutes, there is a better than average chance that at least 3 of them have a single perfect SV. Those can be sold as is for 50-500 pansun depending on species at the AH. Everything else that doesn't have a max SV stat gets released and freetem will pay you for each temtem released meaning you are gaurenteed to make your temcard money back. Pheremones and Radars scale your chance higher for max SV stats and higher lvl and rarer temtem release for better values at freetem. Radars also scale your chance to find lumas which is a massive payout and can be sold alongside all your 1 and 2 sv temtem you found while catching radar encounters. Aaaaaand temspotters can be used to determine if a temtem has a perfect SV before capturing. I didn't even mention fishing and how above methods can apply to getting money while fishing for the massive payout that is gauranteed for those who choose to finish the grind or the use of tamers paradise. The games economy is grindy but it makes sense. You have plenty of activities to choose from if you choose to participate in any of them you will make your money back.

[@tonyromero8219]

I really hope you make a follow up to this video, most of your points come off as really petty. Temtem is an MMO and interaction with the community is a necessity of the economy. 1 of the screenshots you showed had over 30000 pansun worth of loot and you complained about the low pansun amount you got back.

[@Munbalance]

​@@tonyromero8219 while player interaction in an MMO is necessary I believe that having to rely on this to make decent amount of money is a bit flawed. Since if everyone did this the prices would plummet to the point it wouldn't be good anymore. The game should provide enough money to interact with the base mechanics without having to rely on a koish ETC for big bucks because if everyone sold their ETCs the price would plumet to the point koish gambling wouldn't be worth it. right now you have a bunch of systems and mechanics that the player simply cannot access because the cost of doing so is just too high. your solution is to sell items to players who can afford to interact with game mechanics but I think it would be better if an individual player just had access to these game mechanics and wasn't forced into the 1-2 things that don't require a massive upfront investment or to already have done that content which you can't access as an individual player (breeding). Also you're ignoring the fact that the newer player might want these items for later on when they can afford to use them on their own tems. There's also a lot of assuming this new player knows the game and market well enough to not get scammed out of their minds because they just started. There's a pretty big reason why new players generally avoid the market in an MMO until they've played long enough to appreciate the value of items. Expecting someone to know all this when they first start is very flawed and unrealistic expectations. Most players are not going to jump through hoops to play your game, there's a million other games that don't require these acrobatics.

[@Rhialk]

Its being a long since i last saw one of your videos, was pretty excited to see you were playing Temtem, as its one of my main games today. And, i would like to divide my opinions about some of the topics you were talking in the video FreeTem can give you around 150~160k(I do have a pic of this, if needed)/week and it takes on average 4~5h to complete (Doing Hazrats with optimal setup, wich will cost you, at best and buying from the AH, 5k pansuns). The story rewards a little bit over 200k, doing the main story, if you try to not use Balms and focus on using the Vial (That you get early on and can be refreshed at Temporiuns) Usually i take around 10~12h/week to do all mission in a week and it nets around 210k (deducting costs), something around 900~ feathers. So, i tend to do 1~2h a day of Temtem and the rest on weekends About the Koish - There is a pitty system in the game, it will take you at max 1.000 encounters to find the 5/5 Koish, and if you show the 4/5 Koish you do receive a lure that reduce this number to 500 encounters, and this number only resets if you escape against your 5/5 of the week. (Im not gonna say i like this activity but the feather, possible ETC and Hotfixs can net you a good amount of money/feathers - Some ETCS can for more than 200~400k on the AH) Breeding - It does give you a good amount of money, althought you need to know what Tems are in high demand, going for random Tems won't sell that frequently Competitive PVP has auto scale, so you dont need to have perfect Tems as the game will balance them to be perfect Svs and Lv, you just need to Tv training them. Saipark people factor - Now that people are able to buy radars with feathers, the end game currency, most people dont go for saipark, or go for DigiLairs to get their lumas. But, Temtem also has the sard system, where it places a player in a random shard to try to relieve the latency... So, sometimes it will look like the place is empty but you are just in a empty shard Houses - i do agree, they really need to rework this feature Novas is the name of the premium currency, feathers are the end game currency Battle pass, before it really was a full time job to try and complete it but after the changes if you just do your weeklys (That sometimes can be really annoying) it will net you around 5~6 levels, and with the weeklys/dailys, you can get around 10 levels/week. Not saying it is at a good point, but it's doable althought still far from a good place Not gonna say the game is perfect, it really has a lot of flaws and things to be fixed. But, i think the game can shiny if they listen a little bit more and fix somethings in the near future/future Hope you are well, glad to see you are doing a good content

[@Munbalance]

Welcome back, glad you found my videos again I would love to be doing temtem as a main game but there's no way I have the time they expect you to invest. Yeah, freetem can give a decent money if its stacked up crazy but please keep in mind the average player does not have that kind of hours to sink into a honestly really boring grind. The average gamer has 2-3hs of gaming on a good day and keep in mind that there are other games that exist and can/will take away gametime from anyone short of the most hardcore temtem fanatics. I'm aware the main quest does give a decent chunk of money over the course of its honestly pretty massive duration and if you save ALL your money you can get a good headstart on endgame activities but expecting the average player to be this frugal is really bad design and playing through the story without using ANY items is super tedious. You have the tem vial but its just 1 time, there are routes where there are over 20 trainers between healing spots. I'm aware of the koish pitty system, I did get a 4/5 myself but I've still seen people dump hundreds of encounters to get the 5/5 or some might not get it at all. I think breeding could be a really cool mechanic in this game that most players could enjoy if the stakes were not so high. The price of the breeding items forces tryhard breeders to maximize their investment and make as many perfect tems as to justify the massive price of entry. And conversely this system is completely walled off from any casual players since to even get started you need AT LEAST half of the money you get going through the WHOLE GAME. It's completely unrealistic to expect anyone to do this and the story/main quest is a MUCH WORSE experience with this kind of challenge in mind. Look, I was playing when saipark came out, the reception back when was very mixed too. And that was back when it was bugged and 5~6IV perfect raibers were showing up every other encounter. I'm aware that not every area has all the players displayed, I refreshed saipark several times, the footage is the busiest I could find it, and it was the middle in the afternoon when recording too, this is literally the best I could get it to look. battle pass goals are hit and miss, some are easy and some are very grindy and make the player go out of their way and do things they otherwise would have no reason to do. Yes it's possible to do them, yeah its possible to max out your tamer pass but I assure you most players are not going to. I agree that temtem has a lot of potential and I want so dearly to love it to death but I've seen the community screaming for these changes since EA 0.5 and here we are 2 years later and it feels like almost nothing has changed.

[@keskes1338]

"FreeTem can give you around 150~160k(I do have a pic of this, if needed)/week and it takes on average 4~5h to complete (Doing Hazrats with optimal setup, wich will cost you, at best and buying from the AH, 5k pansuns). The story rewards a little bit over 200k, doing the main story, if you try to not use Balms and focus on using the Vial (That you get early on and can be refreshed at Temporiuns) Usually i take around 10~12h/week to do all mission in a week and it nets around 210k (deducting costs), something around 900~ feathers. So, i tend to do 1~2h a day of Temtem and the rest on weekends" Some quick maths here: You're playing 10 hours of Temtem Monday thru Friday, and 7 hours on the weekends, by your own numbers. I can't think of a single other MMO that requires that much of your time regularly, and every single one of them are arguably as fun as Temtem, and sure as hell more rewarding if you put an equal amount of time in. That is absolutely wild.

[@keskes1338]

I was banned on Steam for "naming and shaming" by a Temtem mod. It was overturned by Steam because it was complete BS, I had done nothing of the sort, instead having just left feedback. This is the quality of care you can expect from this Dev team. They are liars, and their microtransactions border on predatory.

[@nonyabiz9340]

I bought a steam key for $7 off of ebay... I'm 8 hours in... the fact you can't turn off battle animations makes this feel unplayable.

[@gattz417]

Great video man, so sad to see the game be such a hustle i also had big expectations for it ive always wanted a pokemon mmo by gamefreak but o well more waiting it is.

[@Munbalance]

SAME. Its really too bad

[@tinyskeletonman8882]

this video is 100% correct, thank you good content

[@nelpolian3863]

Hello, I just found your video! I played back in early access and was a fortunate player who was able to breed a perfect cerneaf before the economy went funky. I quit playing shortly after that because all I cared about was the story and it wasn't finished at that time. At this point, I'm considering playing again because I was feeling a bit nostalgic and was going to try to talk a friend into playing through the story with me. Do you know if any of this grindiness has been toned down since you made this video? I don't want my friend to waste money on this title if its not going to be fun playing together. Thanks!

[@Munbalance]

Pretty sure its still very grindy. For a casual playthrough you can get through it but its not super enjoyable to feel like a peasant the whole way through.

[@milantiquestudios7460]

Not gona lie. I don't think I will be continuing to play Tem Tem after I beat the game. You are right. It is exhausting. I don't spend too much money in general in this games so I had a lot to buy perfect Tems at the auction house. But I didn't realize there was an auction house until now. And I am almost done with the game.

[@user-eh2jk6mf9s]

Palworld has come to give great experience

[@mozaik-inc]

I can say that i was interested in TemTem when the idea was first launched and when I heard their plans with the breeding mechanic (my most disliked feature in Pokémon) I took it out my wishlist

[@sonic-bb]

what exactly is wrong with pokemons breeding mechanic???

[@MSK-wp2km]

5 times ... wow, here I've been trying to get the game for 2 years to no avail (after all the e-mails with the staff for nothing ,no e-transactions in my country ) you're making me jealous But yeah valid points hope they will wake up soon before the game starts dying Love the honest opinion !

[@Munbalance]

That's unfortunate, you can't get it, I think you can get a physical copy on nintendo swich now, if that helps at all. As for the devs waking up, a lot of people have been complaining since alpha 0.5 so I'm not so sure they will. I just hope they don't ruin showdown cause that well be actually pog if they don't mess it up

[@Romdrake1]

I love temtem and i have been having an awesome experience with it, and i feel really sad with what you said. Not because in a fan boy, but because thats the truth unfortunately, there is a lot of unnecessary grind in the game, people that are a little "above" the casual level should not get annoyed but that, like me, i didnt even feel that while playing and progressing, but i do know a lot of people that just want to chill and play would find it boring. The good thing is, the devs are listening to the community and are always lessening the grind and making things better, so thats a good point, because the game will be actually better with every patch. The battlepass, after some tweaks, is pretty easy to finish right now, i already finished mine with one month and a half, and i haveng been playing that much because i was busy with work, so i think that even for the most casual player, it should be able to at least get 80-90% of the value of the battle pass just by playing normally. I think the devs focused too much on the idea "pokemon is super easy and boring, lets make temtem a real challenge" and then everything in temtem is a challenge, a lot of content feels awesome because of this idea, but some others dont really. But i have faith things will get better with every patch and those issues probably will be solved or at least lessened in a way that you can ignore and have fun playing the game.

[@chavsny1578]

I'm curious, are they really listening? There are many comments on Steam saying otherwise.

[@Romdrake1]

@@chavsny1578 Hey, being really honest, yes, they are. But i cant say they hear everything, i mean, the game is being fixed constantly and there were already a lot of changes applied that were asked for the community, but ofc not everything, maybe because they are not listening that much, maybe because they do not have time to do/fix everything. In 2 weeks the 1.1 update will arrive and we will have a better knowledge if they are doing fine. But yes, i think they have done a great job, not perfect, but good enough.

[@OrdemDoGraveto]

I really like the game. But I agree with you that it is way too grindy in almost all aspects. The only thing that isn't grindy is leveling, In fact, you do overlevel by just doing all the side quests.

[@Fibulator]

Glad I watched this before I fought tooth and nail to convince my friends to play 😂

[@SpartanOfLuxon]

While I agree with you that a lot of items are too expensive for what they are grinding through the story (Furniture/Clothing/SaiCards) I'd like to play devils advocate. There are three side quests that give you 30,000 pansun total which could go to the full price of the house, You never mentioned the Auction House where you could just buy perfect competitive tems for around 10k-40k as well as items for cheap. Once you do make a Weekly Dojo Rematch Team you can make 64k Pansun, And if you do happen to find a Luma or even just Tems with a perfect stat you can make good money selling those on the AH.

[@Munbalance]

Oh I love a good devil's advocate! There are 3 side quests that give a total of 30k pansun, correct you can do them once. Assuming the player buys their competitive team from the AH with what money they got going through the story and the side quests and uses that competitive team to theoretically beat the dojo refights on the first time every time (They lower prize money every time you lose to them) The player still needs to do a ton of long quests to get the items they need to level their tems, but also to equip them for the dojo refights. Also its hard to believe that a completely new player will know exactly how to raise tems, which tems are optimal for the dojo refights, and which TV spreads are best or their tems and if they even have the optimal move set for these dojo refights but it is POSSIBLE. Then yes I suppose the 900IQ player who knows everything about the game before they play it this would be a realistic route for them to get a footing in the economy but I don't think this is realistic for the average player to do and if every player were to take this route the prices of perfect tem on the AH would raise to the point where its not an option anymore. Thanks for the DA, and thanks for watching!

[@SIG442]

Thanks, I'm tossing it off my wish list. And to be honest, I only seen less then the first 3 minutes. I'm not into heavy grinding anything if it makes no sense at all. It is indeed a huge problem if you get not enough money to buy what you want, any game that implements this is by default a failure as it will break the whole idea of having that system in the first place.

[@tyrellburris5045]

I agree with everything you’re saying but there is one thing I definitely have a problem with is how They haven’t added any new Temtem which makes it boring because you’ll be using the same thing forever and no new movesets

[@sonic-bb]

it hasnt even been a year yet, my dude damn

[@kezna_1020]

@@sonic-bbThe developers stated that they don’t plan on ever adding new Temtems

[@sonic-bb]

@@kezna_1020 yeah but he said "haven't added any new temtem" Like bro, even if they were gonna add new temtem, the game had only been out for 2 months at that time of his comment

[@pegasaurisrex9707]

This game makes me sad, because they are making some positive changes (I am taking specifically the 1.0 update and the soon to be 1.5 update, I haven't checked on the game often enough to know what all the updates in the middle have done)… but they really shot themselves so hard in the foot that it's both not enough, and its way to late. I would absolutely love for the game to make a come back, but it just seems so unlikely

[@IronBrutzler]

I know it is a hot take but i got the game for around 6€ for Steam and playing the Story at the moment and for this kind of money it is a great game.

[@MithrilRoshi]

Wait this game released? I swear this was big when it was announced.. wow.

[@714KH]

Getting to the end and hearing you say something along the lines of "if you have adhd you are absolutely going to be spending on this battle pass so I gotta warn you" was probably the one thing I needed to hear to put my wallet down and wait a while before getting this game (mindless grind previously addressed aside). Thank you for saving me some time here

[@Munbalance]

we gotta look out for each other o7

[@714KH]

@@Munbalance Ended up buying a few other games. My wallet's crying a bit but they were on sale so I think it was worth

[@allanamaya540]

I'm new haven't bought the game still thinking about it and I join a fb group and saw someone asking im New any tips and more than 50 comments All were don't spend your money on potions save your pansuns so yeah.. there's a big issue here

[@absolutelynotchris]

Temtem showdown qualms most of those gripes. From the sounds of it I can not tell what you even like to do in temtem. The quests are tedious, but provide rewarding items. Breeding 6/7 SV is most definitely profitable, you have to have a little 50/50 RNG but you also dont really need those perfect tems at all. Comp teams for online play are way easy to get hands on tbh. And of youre good at it you can def make pansuns. But realistically to get into online competitive battling as a whole you only need pansuns for temcards and 50 or so for egg moves..

[@Munbalance]

Don't forget that you also need to get every potential held item from the silly long quests too in an genre that loses players during tutorials. also competitive battles isn't the whole game, there's plenty to do with perfect tems once you have them, such as the dojo refights, the arch tamer post game and the dojo park as well all use competitive rulesets and require you to have decent tems to challenge them. The issue is more so that 98% of players wont get to even experience this stuff and its really a damn shame.

[@absolutelynotchris]

I just feel the game needs more content before we make the tems needed for those endgame activites easier. Id much rather be without 6/7 SV tems, and battling 12 trainers once a week then having the tems be too easy to get. We take the grind out of those tems as the game currently stands we give up something else to do in the game in the long run. The quests although long are also another source of co op play that make them more bareable with rewards that are worth the time doing most of the time. If the game gets more content and the 12 end game weekly battles werent all to strive for in terms of battling werent end game then id be more appealed to the though of 6/7 SV tems being easily available and if more co op content was made available in the game the quests could use some trimming, but as the game currently stands ill still have to say i feel its too soon to make those tems too easily available. Itd be like hitting max level in your favorite mmo with the best gear and best stats and nothing to look forward to other then collecting other gear peices that youll never use or makong that alt and doing it over. Game is in 1.0 still and still has a roadmap maybe well see some improvements but i dont think we should ward off potential new players with fears of never being able to participate in some of the endgame content, when in turn it is achievable. I was one of the players who have watched the game since launch and turned down offers to play the game with some friends / family because i was afraid of the grind. 1.0 came out and i caved and gave it a chance and honestly in comparison to most MMOs temtem makes the grind feel at the very least rewarding when you achieve the goals. And comp battles are much more fun then getting kicked in by the dojo rematches. The breeding of those tems is satisfying when its done and way profitable if youre lucky. Lumas being rare makes them super exciting to get. And the best thing about the game is being able to play a monster collection game with friends, which is the only reason i caved into the game as a diehard poke fan.

[@linklindlink]

The sad thing is if this was a gen 1 Pokémon mmo I would buy it in a heartbeat...

[@aron1089]

Guys we found the first time traveler!

[@kimalsegaminglife979]

First a first game from crema i think its really good , im having ton of fun. The pansun price for fight is ridiculous , cannor argue with that but endgame im fine.

[@fallrivers743]

this game sounds like absolute pain left right and center. to bad considering i was thinking of getting it at some point uwu

[@LocalHobo631]

Honestly the PvE story mode is a lot of fun, I’m on the fourth island rn and probably am somewhere in the 30-40 hour range into the game. I love the battle design, temtem, and the way abilities, moves and synergy’s work in the game. From the video it seems like most of the issues with the game are the endgame currency system which is a shame, which is disappointing. At least I can always have fun doing the nuzlocke mode after I finish the game for the first time

[@SunriseRss]

TemTem had a good chance to challenge Pokémon as an alternative... For me it was so grindy and "too much" nonsense to do.

[@measlesplease1266]

That seems fine. Gatchas would be slightly cheaper but are RNG.

[@AlphaPizzadog]

There really should be more early-game content. Why is there a point where you cannot reach the earlier islands??? And you have a Tem which only evolves with max TVs.... which you get AFTER you permanently pass the island giving TV fruits...

[@ltheabyssl]

i think this video saved me from doing a big mistake

[@kriskotaro3680]

Isn't that the "Young boys lover" symbol on the counter @6:58? That's a deal breaker for me.

[@Munbalance]

pretty sure that's just suppose to be an egg

[@tarrioification]

yeah bredding a perfect tem cost 60k, but with the fertility left you can breed like 2 or 3 more for onlylike 10k pansuns and sold them for like 30-40k each so you have a perfect temtem and profit, you can also save the male parent fertility instead so the next temtem of same type you breed only cost you half

[@AlphaPizzadog]

The reason the trainers in Temtem cant give out money is bc they just as broke aa you lol

[@aldenencluna6409]

Nice.

[@yamaxenuz18]

This review is missing a lot. I can understand having gripes with the systems that make the game grindy. But the economy in temtem is actually thriving. The Auction house is a great way to make pansuns, You talked about 60k to make a perfect tem, but completely ignored that during that process you're making multiple perfects to sell back for large profits. There's Dojo Rematches, Freetem, Player trading, Plenty of daily avenues for obtaining pansuns that don't take much investment. But what really got to me was the fact you spoke about the breeding bugs as if you were there. People didn't have a chance to abuse them, the bug was gone super quickly and any money made from that is long gone. Those people who have 90+Mil pansuns? After two years of early access that's actually suprisingly little, and it's through things like freetem and player trading,not through exploits. This game is oriented around being competitive, and unfortunately in a competitive MMO you're going to have to deal with a large amount of grind. But you also seem to ignore all the things in the game that don't require that grind. Saipark is available weekly,costs little pansuns and allows you to get into breeding easier or find lumas to either keep or sell for profit,and a lot of the endgame activities don't actually require you to have your own team. I'm dissapointed you feel this way but it also feels like you didn't do your research. And regardless of any of that; I don't know what you expected for these quests. The minothor quest for example; You're getting a minothor to replace the minox you're going to be taking from this rancher, it's not as complicated as you're making it sound, and being able to completely avoid random encounters for no pansuns is absolutely an ENDGAME feature, Bikes don't even do that in Pokemon so what is the critism here? It feels like complaining for the sake of complaining, "I had to beat team rocket before i got a bike, and oop, it still lets me get encounters" They didn't just hand it to you,it has a lot for you to do and they try to be relatively different with the quests. They're limited by the turn based formula but again, no clue what you're expecting.

[@Munbalance]

I mean, I've talked with plenty of breeders of temtem and I know there's a shortage of people to buy their tems, assuming you have perfect gender RNG you will get some extra perfect tems to sell off but you're likely going to cover cost with that and not much else. Also if its a very unpopular tem, no one will want to buy it and if its a popular tem you have a ton more competition in the market. The breeding wasn't bugged, the prices were just way lower in alpha across the board, and I *was* there when they raised the breeding prices, I was in the process of making a comp team when they changed it and it's what originally killed my desire to make a full fledged team back in EA and there was a major divide in the community wealth based on who was able to take advantage of it and who wasn't. Plenty of people complained about the price hike back then and overall the economy is something that has torn the temtem community for a long time. We were always told this was to balance prices based on endgame earnings but we never got more endgame earnings. Now the auction house exists and its true you can make decent money selling off your breeds but this is only an option for people who have gotten into breeding already, if you spent your campaign money on literally anything else you'll need to grind to get the money required to breed an acceptable tem and this is kind of asking a lot for someone who literally just started breeding but if your breed does not have the correct ability and egg moves you're not making your money back. So this is a feature that a new player needs to research intensely before ever even trying it because the risk is just too high. Also try not to get caught in the executive fallacy, not everyone can make a profit on the auction house, the more people do it the less profitable it becomes so its not a realistic solution to a economy this dry. It can help you as an individual player and there's plenty of things you can do that are low risk, such as breeding minttle to evolve to minothor and can easily make 5~10k per minothor breed but if an infinite amount of players did this strategy the price of minothor would drop to the point this was no longer a profitable strategy. As for the minothor quest, I think you're missing my point of focus there. It wasn't so much that THIS quest is annoying its that EVERY quest seems to do this, even for something as simple as a competitive gear you need to jump through many hoops and you'll end up having to do this dozens of times because most quests in Temtem are this way. Yes you only have to do them once per character but realize that these barriers drop players every time they're put up and isn't a good idea for a competitive game to have so many barriers of entry that you can't even try it without doing at least 10 very long arduous quests. The average player doesn't have enough time and they will just move on. And as for the pokemon comparison, while its true the bike does not stop random encounters, in pokemon you can realistically buy repels since you get more than enough money as you're going through the game, and there isn't a massive sink in breeding since the breeding items in pokemon are not single use. Furthermore pokemon games generally have a gimmicky way to print money at the end of the game be it with the mushroom cafe in X and Y or the g-max payday strats of sword and shield and the ammount of money that you get from these completely trumps any purchase you'd have to make in the game making it realistic for you to get every cosmetic item you'd want, and enough repels and pokeballs to be comfortable and enough left over to cut your EV training time firmly in half by roiding your pokemon up with vitamins If temtem was more comfortable giving money to the player we might see a price hike in completed tems and especially lumas but overall it would allow the player experiment with more of what the game has to offer because as of right now so many features are just unrealistic to access because there's too much red tape. This is clearly visible by the discrepancy between players doing mindless grinding vs actual luma hunting/saipark participation, competitive battles, dojo refights, etc. Thank you for watching my video even though you disagree with me and I appreciate your feedback nonetheless, I'm sorry I gave you the impression that I was unprepared or green on the subject but I assure you I've played temtem as soon as it was available to the public and these issues are not new to me.

[@robinrecato]

“You’ll have multiple perfects to sell” I chose wiplump because of utility and some people use it for competitive use. I kept getting females at the last breedings to get almost perfect parents. I had to catch another breeding line, sell utility Ocearas, to try again. I also did mimit freetems just in the hopes I can breed spares with them and have money to spend for the breeding items. I finally got a male, but because I spent hours already to get to this point, I bought the 10k item that’ll ensure my perfects had the trait I wanted. I got 3 perfects out of this breeding and kept one, so I only have 2 to sell. I probably spent more than 100k to breed this with the egg moves and the trait, with HOURS of waiting and catching. I only got 50k because I had bad luck rng. I also had to relist my perfects twice with cheaper prices because no one bought them, even if I listed them for 2 days. This temtem isn’t unpopular, it has a lot of usage, and yet I had to relist them from 30k to 26k. I tried to sell my 2 stats remaining breedjects, too and they were so difficult to move since there are a lot of accessible perfects for Wiplumps. I don’t think the video is missing a lot, this feels up to par with what I feel about breeding after trying it out thinking it’s the way to earn money. After that, every way to make money in this game feels like I have to spend work hours on something that I want to play after work.

[@yamaxenuz18]

@@robinrecato First and foremost; I apologize that your first experience with breeding happened to be so negative, but I cannot call that the standard experience. I"ve played the game since pre alpha and have bred many times, just this week I bred Droply, Umishi, Mimit, and Kalazu and all of the above ended up not only with profits, but with enough that I was able to have an additional one to keep for competitive and in some cases enough to give to friends for competitive usage. Keep in mind that by the 5 SV stage, Each perfect egg you make also will end up having fertility, it might take a bit more upfront investment but you end up ineitably with a lot of eggs. Even moreso If you've been a breeder for longer so you happen to have 5 SV tems of the same typing laying around. It doesn't have to be a painful experience. There's the initial 5/7 parents that will spout out 4 eggs. The baby that will be able to push out an additional 3. and their baby able to push out an additional 2 aswell. It lends to itself and ends up with a plethora of eggs. Will they always be the right gender? Absolutely not, But there's other breeders and you can easily trade on the AH for the alternative you need, In your circumstance you could've looked at the AH for any 5SV 4Fert Wind/Water tem on the market and been done with it, and sold the extra you had instead of going through that entire process just to RNG for a male. My gripes with this video come for a plethora of reasons, one is the giant emphasis on things like player housing and cosmetics which I mean by all accounts are luxury and not mandatory by any means, and the fact that there was the claim the economy of the game is bad; despite the fact that it's probably one of the healthiest economies I've seen in an MMORPG. There's a reason that after years of beta the prices haven't inflated much at all. Two years ago? Bred Blooze for average 40k. Two years later? Not much different and still a market, a thriving one even now with all the new heads the cross platform release has brought in.

[@robinrecato]

@@yamaxenuz18 But that’s the issue, if you’re fresh into the postgame, you can’t really expect people to have breeding stock to make it not painful or “not standard”. I started in 1.0, the video talks about player retention and the player experience. The issue the video addresses is not going to be an expressed issue for long time players due to being established, but is highlighted for players like me. I played competitive Pokémon, I bred Pokémon since gen 2. I understand how breeding goes, I understand the grind to train something to what I want. I also play a fair amount of MMO’s and their PVP aspects; grindy activities is not a problem for me. The issue is Temtem expects new players to play a certain way and they excuse it as balancing economy. In many MMO’s, there are a TON of activities for players that just want to play the game and interact with the world to do, many of them have an almost separate gameplay for people interested in min/maxing. A lot of these people want to play because of the social aspects, which means having access to clothing and housing. Yet, in Temtem, you’re expected to put your toe in everything to figure out what fits your gameplay. If the money generating activities require not just long prep work, but rng as well, you’re polarizing a majority of players. For some reason, people’s perception of MMO games are “dedicated people that enjoy the grind”, but in my experience that just isn’t true. I know far more people and guildies that login and do 1hr or dailies and then log off with money to buy what they need at the end of the week, but will make time for timed raids and events. Are there ways to make the activities faster in Temtem? Yes, of course. But when your game’s impression is “oh no, I don’t know if I’m gonna finish my weeklies in 5 hours I can play this game this week” (fun fact, I also did not get the 5 fish last week and I know there’s a pity system but the rewards is just not worth my time and sanity to try and get the pity roll) and figure out how to spread your schedule around that, there’s a systemic problem here. They’re going to turn away a lot of people, especially in the creature collecting genre where we’re already small, but most people expect the genre to be “casual”. That’s the point this video is addressing.

[@yamaxenuz18]

@@robinrecato First point again; Completely went over the fact that other breeders exist and you could have made your experience less painful very easily through using the auction house; but. Pokemon breeding and this breeding are not comparable, there hasn't been and won't be a limitation to breeding because Pokemon is not an MMORPG. They don't have to worry about an economy where every player ends up with everything they want and then quit, because that's the goal of their game. They're not looking to be live service like Temtem is.They have the -reasonable- expectation that people playing their game could do their weeklies, that is to say I'm not ignorant to the fact Koish fishing and Freetem are very much a timesink and I feel could be reduced for the casual player. -but- You can claim up and down that this video was about making things like your weeklies easier,but it wasn't. A lot of it was spent talking about things like player housing, and long one and done quests that can be done anytime throughout your playthrough with no rush towards them, like held item quests and the mount quest. It also isn't people's "perception" of mmos, it's par to the course with live service games, you grind to obtain what you'd like and it's not going to be as easy as standard games. It takes hundreds of hours to go through FF14's storyline. It takes a quarter of that to go through Final fantasy's non-rpg stories, and this is completely ignoring the fact that there's a gear grind afterwards, and it's there so people continue playing consistently and gives them a future goal unlike pokemon where you can finish things in relatively quick fashion and not touch the game again. There's an argument to be made that Temtem might be pushing away some of its more casual playerbase with the grind. But what I heard in this video was complaints about trivial things. Things completely irrelevant and just to complain about them. I'll bring up the example of the breeding item prices for example; Best case scenario for someone was they had the hindsight to somehow buy a plethora of those items before the patch,99 of each,and then sold them? And even in that best case scenario it's not even a small fortune in temtem. It's irrelevant and it's just slandering the game for no apparent reason. I'm not here to say the entire video is bad, but there is absolutely parts of it that are there for the sake of complaining and not at all helpful towards the point you're claiming it's trying to make.

[@ieshareath1191]

I’d like this game if I could play it OFFLINE- and the fact that I can’t play it that way is annoying. Tbh- is coikd forgive its flaws if it weren’t mandatory

[@sehvendusk6612]

Thank you, you saved me money. Much appreciated. Was pondering on getting it for the black Friday sale. Hard pass.

[@PhoenixBlade]

the money is what made me stop playing the game honestly haha crazy

[@randomedgygamer2191]

Very exhausting too much walking and not enough qol

[@majamystic256]

i feel like Coromon and Nexomon were better Poke-likes

[@DyferVolt]

Ah yes, ProjectZero 2

[@cooltjh4]

i feel like this game was made with the intention of it being an mmo, but never actually being an mmo. predatory prices, money nerfing, reward nerfing. catch rate failure buffing. 1 to zero new temtems introduced since 1.0 introduction to warrant the battle pass and exorbitant cosmetic prices, horrifically grindy in a bad way, charging you for literally fast traveling after you went out of your way to unlock it in the first place..... one of the reasons i didint get into ESO.

[@mortalfusii0n]

Honestly I love the game and don’t mind the grind for pansuns because it gives me something to do. Balms, revives and all of those healing items aren’t really needed to complete the story so.

[@liordj2307]

I bought temtem on switch and on sony playstation 5

[@juliovnobre]

While I agree with your points I think the grind for pansuns is justified. It’s supposed to be hard otherwise would become very inflationary. Also it provides another avenue for satisfactory gameplay which is playing the money game since it is indeed pretty tight.

[@Munbalance]

its fine that we can have differing opinions. personally I don't think the amount of pansun given to the player necessarily has to go up, but the prices of items should go down IMO. One of the excuses Crema used for raising the breeding costs by so much is to balance their price with endgame income in mind except you barely make more than you did back in 0.5 and the prices went up by 5 TIMES.

[@gerberianshepsky2193]

The game started feeling like a chore after playing 4 hrs in.

[@GamingStepByStep]

this is why u spend the money to make more money

[@kvrmd25]

I thought SVs get maxed out to 50 in competitive battles?

[@Munbalance]

correct but you still need to catch, level and breed egg moves into them. Not to mention the dozens of long winded quest for competitive items. Still too high of a barrier of entry imo

[@kvrmd25]

@@Munbalance Good to know! I guess this will be solved with the Showdown feature they announced.

[@Munbalance]

@@kvrmd25 I sure hope so!

[@MurtorSH]

[@MonsterPoTaToMaTo]

So releases temtem take you 44 hours that means you are doing it wrong if you setup the right team ( squad cost only 15k-25k for this setup ) and the right setup only takes you totals 6- 8 hours to get around 120k-150k pansuns and by no means that 6-8 hours you can take your time to complete anytime before weekly reset. + Dojo rematch just 1 team setup and you can beat all 8 Dojo with the same moveset every single week ( search on KZbin for Dojo rematch perfect team ) so Dojo rematch you will earn 50k - 60k pansuns and this takes you round 2-3 hours to beat them all it's the most easy way to earn pansuns. Koish fishing is not much to say. It's just pure luck It sometimes takes you 5 minutes to complete or even a few hours but at the end you will earn 10k-15k and if you are lucky you will end up with a costume and furniture and some of this can sell between 7k-12k pansuns to NPC so total you will make 17k-28k by doing this. Delivery package please don't ever waste your time doing this nothing good rewards. At the end don't forget that all of this you have been doing you also get feathers that can exchange for Radars and of course if you are lucky enough to get any Luma or Shiny temtem and you know they are pricey depends on how rare temtem you get off form Radars. So at the end ( AS FOR ME ) pansuns are not hard to earn at all and I am always guaranteed to earn 200k-250k each week reset and if that week I'm lucky enough to get Luma or Shiny from radars I even earned more ( sold Luma Kinu 590k this week 😊 ) so good luck out there Temer get the right team and the right setup and I'm sure a lot of you guys out there doing the same as me no problem with pansuns.

[@fishy5479]

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[@mytzelk8876]

wouldnt call this a review since ur only talking about the bad sides of the game, however the problems highlighted in this video are very much true and do ruin the game for many. temtem's developers are clearly experienced competitve pokemon players who dont understand the average players willingness to grind. having to grind for money should be a thing you only experience if you are going to spend especially much like during breeding. The fact you can run out of money during the story without spending money on anything except the necessary healing and cards is absurd.

[@AfroThunda999]

I was really thinking of getting Tem Tem, to hold me over til Pokemon Violet is released. But, from what I've heard from this video and other places, it really doesn't seem worth it

[@seanrichardson7421]

I dunno I have 1000+ hours in the game myself, started playing it casually and I usually just play it for fun every now and again between some of my other games, the pvp in particular is what got me into it, it’s like chess when you get into the nitty gritty of the systems you start enjoying the game in the way you’d enjoy a boardgame, not for skins or rewards but just for the sheer enjoyment of outplaying an opponent. Haven’t had that experience in a videogame for quite some time. Also had some club events where we just ran around and did some casual 2v2 matches, roleplayed being in a 1920s diner and then had a house party. There is a beautiful product in here but it’s definitely up to mindset. Even if you just get through the story you’ll get your money worth. If you find a club to help you out with rental dojo teams etc you can actually bypass hours worth of grind by just being involved with the social aspects of the game.

[@brenobarbosa3489]

Maybe u should try pokemmo is really fun

[@handles_are_idiotic]

what is this, a KoG game? jesus

[@RegalRoyalWasTaken]

Just play Cassette Beasts

[@Mizoturi]

this game is cancer for new players

[@ssilent8202]

It’s an mmo so grinding is expected..?

[@fvenateafork]

Well, what a shitshow. Great video tho; thanks for perfectly explaining why I shouldn't care about this game.

[@sternosaur]

Yeah i wanted to like it but its just bum

[@gdx1037]

Welcome to MMORPGs.

[@ryan74458]

There are some valid points here and there, but a large portion of the video just comes off to me as complaining about nothing. It feels like there are far too many parts where you are literally complaining about "long quests." Like, you realize that IS the game, battling trainers with your team of tems is like the core gameplay loop. If you are complaining about having to fight 3 different tamers for a single quest, there's really nothing to say except maybe play another game? I widely agree that the game is too grindy in many ways, but you are being very disingenuous in how you describe the grind. You talk about breeding like it's some kink of money sink when that is not at all the case. The main point of breeding is to make money. You can make multiple perfect temtem and sell off the extras to other players, the money investment is not "just for one tem". You have to know this, I've never bred a perfect tem once and I know this, the only conclusion I can draw is that you're deliberately hiding that fact from your audience to make the game seem more grindy than it is. Meanwhile you constantly talk about the price of housing items as if it's something everyone is intended to interact with and not actually the endgame money sink it clearly is. You all but ignore the best way to make money, dojo rematches while focusing entirely too much on freetem, which the developers themselves have been actively trying to get people not to grind so much because there's a plethora of other activities to do instead. You can literally just do dojo rematches each week and get 64k for maybe a couple hours of playing. Not to mention the fact that it's just incredibly fun, I would do dojo matches multiple times for no reward if I was able to. Obviously that wouldn't fit the narrative of the video, so instead the neet who spends 40+ hours a week grinding freetem to make barely double that amount of money gets the focus though. If anything I think that's a good thing that there are diminishing rewards for playing that much because it prevents people like that dude from being miles ahead of everyone else, which would in turn inflate the economy and making everything more expensive for everyone else. Some other things I want to note is that the battlepass was overly grindy on release for sure, but after the changes I would argue it'll probably end up not grindy enough and anyone who plays the game semi-regularly will easily get to max level. Completing the weekly quests is not always the most engaging thing ever, but I do find them a bit of fun simply because they challenge you to interact with different aspects of the game. I honestly didn't even know how dojo wars worked until just this week when there were weekly quests relating to it. I think overall this video irks me because there are a ton of valid criticisms of Temtem like simple quality of life things missing like chat during battles and sorting your tems, the still overly backwards way dojo rematches work in that you have to breed strong tems to fight them in order to make money, but you need to make money to get those tems. Sure it's real cheap to buy breedjects, but you have to waste the time training them up knowing that you'll want to ditch them as soon as you can get better tems. Things like koish fishing I will 100% agree on. Fishing rightfully deserves all the criticism it gets, it was absolutely heinous that the devs decided to require everyone to do it before they access the archtamers. The fomo rotating shop is really just scummy and some things are just extremely overpriced. I don't know why on earth the devs are so insistent of making random things like dyes so expensive and it took us this long to get cosmetics to be near reasonable pricing. There's easily a video to be made that goes over the actual problems of temtem, but instead of focusing on those things, 90% of this video is just cherry picking stuff that is not actually a problem to anyone but is still likely to dissuade people from playing the game because they don't know any better. I can't believe I was bored enough to write all this about a simple video, but this has got to me one of my favorite games of all time despite its shortcomings. The point I want to make is that obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I am absolutely not defending temtem as a perfect game. I just feel like a lot of this was conjured up for the sake of the video rather than being genuine criticism.

[@Munbalance]

I appreciate you taking the time to let your criticisms with my video be heard! Allow me to first assure you that I am genuine in my opinions and if I could do anything to rid that doubt I'd love to hear it. Hopefully my reply to this comment will make my case! As for the section complaining about long quests this wasn't as big of a gripe as you've taken it as, its just a small example of how any basic item in temtem will generally locked behind something extremely lengthy and tiresome. My issue isn't the quest themselves but how many of them revolve around traveling to many different islands in a blatant attempt to pad out the run time. The issue isn't so much that "oh nyo I have to fight trainers" more so that I need to go to X island to talk to 1 NPC, go to Y Island to fight another NPC and meet back at X island to find out that actually I need to go to Z island to get something else and I'm just tried. I understand there is a narrative to tell and simply battling 3 trainers in a row wouldn't be very exiting but surely there's a better way to make this experience less tiresome. Most of the quest isn't spent enjoying the dialog or fighting the trainers, its walking down routes I've already explored, where every trainer has already been fought and every item has already been picked up. If only there was a way for the player to quickly go to important places around the game they've already been to before... Again I'm sorry that I didn't make my issues with this more clear, I'm not a game reviewer and this is something I'll have to learn to be better at so thank you for the feedback! As for breeding as a profit I don't think that's true at all. The market for competitive ready tems is steep because basically everyone that breeds NEEDS to offset the egregious costs of doing so, this causes an oversaturated market and expecting everyone to rely on the auction house is flawed logic. If everyone sold their tems for profit, it would eventually lead to the tems not being very profitable. I don't think the breeding system would be any worse if the items required to do it properly weren't so expensive. The way the system is set up now breeding is basically unapproachable to most players and if you're not doing it exactly right every time you'll end up losing money. The reason I mainly focused on grindy activities is because that's really all thats available for a new player as you've said in your own comment "dojo rematches work in that you have to breed strong tems to fight them in order to make money, but you need to make money to get those tems." Not to mention the game actively punishes you for trying without being perfect by lowering your winnings every time you try and lose. And like... why? isn't the extra time of having to fight the battle again enough of a punishment? Truth be told I tried to do dojo refights with my non-perfect competitive team and I kept losing due to stat imbalances which is really frustrating and discouraging. So with this out and a lot of the rest of the post game locked behind arbitrary fees or also requiring a competitive team the only realistic option left is freetem and the koish kasino, unfortunately. The battle pass is not only overly grindy but the missions to do are really out of the way, which is fine it exposes you to new gameplay mechanics but I feel like 1-2 tasks should be something the player would do naturally without thinking about it but this is almost never the case. Also lets not forget the the battle pass is both grindier and way less rewarding for free players since all of the pass-EXP boosts are on the premium track but they've decided that 50% of weekly tasks should be locked behind premium as well. This might also be coincidence but I always found the free tasks to be much grindier than the premium ones. So while it is possible to grind it out, miss me with that "go catch 40 hocus this week". overall I'm sorry that I came off ingenuine as I really did want temtem to succeed, and while its doing fine, I don't think it has the staying power it needs to remain relevant which is a damn shame and what I'm more upset about than anything. Thank you for the long and detailed comment, disagreements aside I appreciate you taking the time to help me become better at what I do! I hope this comment has cleared up at least some of your concerns with the video at least, if not, I'm sorry.

[@henrikhumle7255]

It appears that this should simply never have been an MMO. They clearly don't know how to make it into one while making it fun to play. A PC singleplayer-focused Pokémon clone with online elements, like the modern gens of Pokémon, would've been fine. This, however, looks like a mess, and the devs are getting a ton of flak for how greedy it looks to both have a very high price of entry for an indie MMO while throwing in battle passes and paid cosmetics. I believe I'm about halfway through the campaign (at 20 hours, and I'm honestly starting to feel exhausted already) and at this point I can't help but think that with some more polish, there could've been a great experience here. But instead it really just does feel like a mediocre copy of a better franchise. A better franchise that has barely changed in close to 30 years at this point. I got the game through Humble Bundle and figured I'd give it a go since I've been watching a lot of Pokémon (Kaizo Ironmon) content lately and felt the itch to get back into something similar. I've played Pokémon gen 1 and 2 as a kid and got back into with gen 6, playing semi-competitively for a while. And in my opinion, I see what they're trying to do, but this really just ain't it.

[@pacapaw]

I love grindy games. I'm loving Temtem until now.

[@Munbalance]

I'm glad you're enjoying it! I don't mind grinds but I'd rather grind the fun parts of the game personally

[@RLMemeLord]

would much rather grind irl and let gm lai scam me in ro

[@shatteredsentient5321]

The humans looks so ugly omg who would buy this.

[@dorianmcdonald1674]

Alright, what I'm hearing is when you try to do all of an mmo in 24 hours it's tiring. Huh, a game that's meant to force you to play for at least a thousand hours can't be solo'd in a few hours, odd.

[@dorianmcdonald1674]

I could dissect what's wrong with this vid for several hours but tldr: person that hasn't played an mmo for more than a week doesn't understand the econ or the idea that mmo's are designed to be a grind.

[@dorianmcdonald1674]

The points I will give you are the battle pass and the healing items. But counterpoint: it's an MMO and it's not p2w so what are you complaining about?

[@Munbalance]

@@dorianmcdonald1674 Thanks for the feedback, allow me to address the bulk of your concerns right away. I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding when I complain about the grindiness of temtem. I have no qualms against playing a single game for 1000s of hours. I have 2456hrs in FFXIV, countless hours in Ragnarok Online and a cumulative at least 5,000 in pokemon games across the generations (I have 999:59 timer on 5 different games). The issue isn't so much that temtem is grindy, its that it prioritizes in my opinion the worst part of the game as the grind. Think of battle tower vs hazrat farming. Both of these activities are preparing you for endgame PVP but one is actually making and playing with a team of pokemon against a never ending onslaught of trainers that are designed to mess you up. The other one you're catching and releasing the same tem over and over and over again to get the means to enough money to do BREEDING which is another feature that would be really cool and engaging because you'd have to actually think about how to properly breed your tem and thats, you know CONTENT. but with the prices its completely untenable to do it until you've already done dozens of hours of grinding or used what little money the game gives you in the story and invest into a tem that is both one that you want but also good enough to turn a profit on the auction house but even then you are expected to perform perfectly because there's no room for error with temtem's breeding system. also as I've stated in many other comments, expecting every single player to utilize the auction house to get a decent ammount of pansun is a falacy, if everyone did it it wouldn't work. There NEEDS to be something for players to do that provides the economy with currency but also isn't completely mindless boring slog. as for battle pass/cash shop just because something isn't pay to win does not mean it can't be bad. Yes it could be worse, but it could also be a lot better. Literally just putting the shop up permanently instead of rotating items to trigger FOMO and prey upon the vulnerable would be a huge step forward, not calling devs out on this shady awful business practices is the reason AAA games are freaking terrible these days.

[@dorianmcdonald1674]

@@Munbalance Alright, I seewhat you're meaning and if like to counter once again. While you were playing FF did you play at the maximum and most meta rates at all times or did you pay to have fun and then let the money roll in while you had fun? Because if you're always meta chasing then of course a baby mmo is bound to be boring, ESPECIALLY when the meta is running circles in one spot. However I'll have you know that in just pve alone you can run dungeons, hunt lumas, "catch'em all", retake gym leaders, and breed. However with breeding; if you want to breed one perfect sv tem the easy way then while doing so you'll end up with several extras with perfect stats that can be sold in the auction. And speaking of that, that's likely one of the best ways to earn good money while doing minimal work, especially when you cough up a liver to guarantee the stat passes. And with freetem you're right that the rat is the best single tem but every other tem can serve the same use, Especially when you pain the catch and release grind with some tv grind. No it's not the most meta but it's two for one and allows you to play the game without getting bored. And as far as money in the story goes, I didnt have any issues in the slightest, as a matter of fact I recall beating the mental gym with my team being 15 levels under and I used no items while having 40 or 50k money just chilling. As far as cash shop prices I agree about most points you made, especially when this is a PAID game. And the in game shop prices are also pretty steep and could likely stand some changes, especially on healing items cause I've heard that some people like to use a dozen revives and balms on tough fights instead of just using their skill to avoid losing them going and getting full healed for free. All in all it seems that temtem is still finding its feet and could definitely use some tweaks but maybe making a toxic slam piece isn't the move, given it's fresh release constructive criticism is far more beneficial, rather than just slamming on it for 15 minutes. Especially when our only other proper monster collector game is pokemon and idk about you but those games are made for 2 year olds and are starting to require DLC so I'd rather positively encourage Crema to stear the game into something good instead of just complaining at them cause I spent my last 3 dollars on virtual wings because I have no self control or getting mad that the game is boring and repetitive while willingly doing the same thing on repeat. No one is forcing you to make the most money per minute, you can do other things to save your mental health. TLDR; you don't have to do the one most meta thing, you are allowed to do less efficient things if you want. The price of balms and tonics is exorbitant; so don't buy them, just get good enough to not need them. And finally, constructive criticism is basically mandatory given the state of Temtem but a 15 minute video taking about only the bad isn't going to help, the community should be encouraging change not punishing existence.

[@Munbalance]

@@dorianmcdonald1674 With final fantasy I don't NEED to do the most meta thing to make a decent amount of money though, that's the problem. Yes in terms of MMOs the most money will always be playing the market but forcing everyone to do this just to get enough money to like, survive? thats bad design and will lead to either people getting bored and leaving or if everyone jumps on the market there will ultimately be more losers than winners. Having a decent task that is level appropriate for each player would be best IMO right now the systems in temtem are too expensive for the average player to make use of, and this funnels players toward the non-fun grind. Yes I could catch other tem for freetem and work on my team at the same time. But what team? I don't have the money to breed it perfectly so I need more money, off too the hazrats I go! As for "Getting good" in reguards to the story, I see what you mean but do you know what is the end result of this? While playing through the story I was tried of walking back and forth to get healed after each of the 20 trainers they put on any given route so instead I got 2 wiplumps and just froze everything, this strategy worked on basically everything and turned every match into cold breeze, cold breeze, tsunami, tsunami so in essence I turned the one non-grindy part of the game into another grind... as for being encouraging rather than punishing I'd hope that the devs at creama are not so thin-skinned that 1 review from a small youtuber is going to hurt them in any meaningful way. Additionally keep in mind that temtem has been available in early access for 2 years now and I played since then, and there was still a pretty large part of the community complaining about the grindiness back then as well so I as much I wish peacful protest worked on these devs it simply does not. Also when giving my thoughts about something I'm giving a very condensed version of my thoughts and experience. Since my experience with temtem was overall negative, that's how the review is going to sound. I'd love unlimited time to give all my opinions but no one would watch that 50 hour video and the whole point of a review is to find out more about the game without investing money or dozens of hours into it. and as you said, yes you don't have to do the hazrat grind if you don't want to, and I'm not, I'm playing other games and having a much better time!

[@dimitrisschizas9345]

You said its an mmo and you are an mmo player but it seems to me that you forget what that means... Grind will be a thing but i think you are misleading on how much you actually have to grind. I play since 1.0 and around 3 hours a day and i made quite a lot of money since i bought so many perfect sv tems so far. The game has many ways to make money and more than what you mentioned just not so obvious... Dont discourage people for the views... Rng pokemon game is coming out soon!

[@Munbalance]

MMOs don't necessarily have to be grindy and if anything the industry is leaning toward less grindy experiences in favour of more ease of access to content. Just because the genre has a history with bad game design does not mean this defines the genre in any way. One of the big issues the genre is facing is that if you make the meaty content too grindy to access, you'll have almost no one left to play with once you've gotten there. In this case while Temtem is an MMO it's not targeting an audience that would grind for hours on end to make their character 1% better. There's plenty to enjoy with temtem but so much of it is locked behind honestly unreasonable grind that while I could do it, its easy for me to see that the game wont be around long enough to make that investment worth it. part of reviewing something is trying to look outside yourself to see how the average player would react to certain mechanics. While its possible to survive in the current environment I can't deny that the overall game design and play experience for the average player suffers greatly due to this extremely unforgiving economy

[@dimitrisschizas9345]

@@Munbalance Then again i have to ask what you call grindy, Temtems grind is nowhere near the grind you have to go through other MMOs and i played a lot of them with the last being Black Desert Online (King of Grinds) for well over 2 years... Grind is unfortunately not a bad design per say but more like a neccesity in MMOs to keep the game going for longer period of time. Now how much every game desinger puts into their game is a different story but Crema in my opinion has a pretty good balance. If it takes you a month lets say to get into competitive ladder with reasonable hours per day, thats actually a pretty good time for an MMO. I am using PvP as an example because thats the true end game, while you can argue people want to spend on clothes and buy furniture or any other activity in the game is their definition of End game i am fine with that and it is respected of course! Now if you dont see the game sticking too long to make that investment as you say, its totally respectable but i wouldnt make a video essentialy discouraging everyone to play through it and decide for themselves if the economy or the grind is bad or not The game has its flaws? Absolutely, like any other game out there but the fact of the matter is that it doing so many things right as well (eg. Battle system) in an MMO enviroment that we never really had before! Gamefreak should take notes to be honest! My conclusion is it worth the price tag? Hell yes! The amount you get for your buck is great and people should give it a try and decide if they want to stick around!

[@Munbalance]

@@dimitrisschizas9345 Yes temtem isn't anywhere close to as grindy as a lot of the tredmil MMOs out there but if you notice something these mmos are generally falling in popularity with FF14 taking the crown as top MMO for the time being and unlike the entire rest of the industry, FF14 is actually decently respectful of your time. This offers newer players the chance to catch up to the old guard and partake in the meaty content before getting discouraged and overall is just a better design in general if you're going for mainstream appeal. Anyone who has ever played pokemon or temtem competitively could tell you that having 1 competitive team isn't enough and I assure you the first competitive team you make will NOT be that good. The issue with the temtem grind is that its actively keeping players away from experimenting with the mechanics in the game and lines people up for disappointment after they've spent a whole month playing a completely different and objectively less fun game now if the grinding WAS playing the competitive format and actually challenging battles, that would be great! Making Dojo's scale your tems up like in ranked PVP would be a step in the right direction since that's content that someone who does not have a competitive ready team might want to do to earn some cash. Or temtem showdown which would let people play endlessly in PVP while gathering resources to work on their perfect tems. (assuming they don't mess it up) But the economy stinks and these issues seep into the whole design of temtem and as a result the non-MMO portion suffers in my opinion. I understand that I might have been a little harsh on Temtem but there's plenty of reviewers out there who spend 2~10 hours on a game and are giving it rave reviews because the base temtem experience is very positive and most of these issues wont rear their ugly head in by the time the journalist has moved onto the next game which is why I chose to spotlight these because these are what ruined temtem for ME someone who dearly wanted it to succeed as an MMO, not as a flash in the pan pokemon alternative. I as everyone is a little bias, I bought temtem for myself and all my friends and out of the whole group only myself even made it through the story so our experience was pretty negative as a whole, it didn't help that we joined just around the time they were massively hiking the prices on like everything. I think temtem is absolutely worth the price tag, I bought it 5 times after all! But if you're someone who does not like / cannot handle being nagged for cash then that value goes way down with the 1.0 release. That cash shop really bothers me and its something I could put up with in a free to play game but not in a paid one.

[@seanrichardson7421]

I think temtem showdown will help with figuring out comp teams and experimenting before committing to anything, As a new player back in Ea when the grind was much worse I found that pansun was hard to earn but after I bred my first perfect the profit I made allowed me to buy 2 other perfects, my story tems were good enough to make pansun from rematches, organically without really any guides I eventually ended up in a pretty solid place with the endgame and had fun with a majority of the grind to get there, (that said koish fishing isn’t for me so I ignored that) but casually doing dojo rematches and postal deliveries felt pretty easy and allowed me to save up for a perfect team pretty quickly.

[@Ivan-tm9pd]

If you want a easy game made for kids play Pokemon.

[@Munbalance]

tedium =/= difficulty

[@Ivan-tm9pd]

@@Munbalance I agree, but what do we want from this games? If tem tem starts catering to casual players it will just become pokemon. Or maybe that's what most people want a pokemon game with temtem style of fight? I don't come from pokemon games i don't even own a nitendo I usually play online games that required a lot of (tedious) farming. Maybe Humble Games is doing advertisement to the wrong crowd.

[@Munbalance]

@@Ivan-tm9pd Well to be fair, temtem is already a great deal harder than a pokemon game, the challenge comes from the additional depth of the combat system and the devs willingness to actually put you on the ropes from time to time. Having access to healing items without harming yourself in the long run does not change this and I think overall fixing the busted economy wouldn't make the game easier, it would make it more approachable. Like for example, if you could use your temessense more than 1 time this would not make individual fights any easier and all it would do is cut down on the constant backtracking to keep yourself alive. This would also give people a realistic way to get through the game without using the super insanely valuable currency on something that isn't post game perfect tems because if you don't spend your story stimulus on that you're kinda boned for a few weeks and thats just bad design.

[@adriandiaz4624]

Try vgc my guy 😜

[@fazoodle7972]

Damn i really wanted to try this game out too. Shame 🫠 not about to feed this toxicity

[@antihero8603]

Nice.

[@5carresdechoco_292]

I played the game until the end of the adventure and I agree on everything you say in this video, EXCEPT that the adventure felt WAAAAAY better than what i'd get from a pokemon and I did accumulate money through the adventure because i didn't change my temtems a lot and had a team with 10 levels above normal trainers and didn't take much damage, but the money was still far from enough to even just decorate my house. So yeah it felt good until the grind was all there was left to do