What Happened to Pokemon Gray & Pokemon Z -- Ft.

Did You Know Gaming takes a look at the mysterious history of Pokemon Gray and Pokemon Z, two titles created by Game Freak for the Nintendo DS and Nintendo 3DS.
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Translation: Jacob Newcomb (Japanese), Theo Berkley (Spanish)
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Datamine Consultation: MrCheeze, Anonymous
Artwork: RacieBeep
Research/Writing by Dr Lava
Video Editing by TheCartoonGamer
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[@DidYouKnowGamin]

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[@panasit]

Thank you for your hard work. I really do hope it pays off with views, likes, and revenue. I think the second half about Gear Project where Game Freak trying to move away from Pokemon is very interesting, so much so that the franchise doesn't take priority at one point? I don't know why some creators keep doing this. George Lucas wanted to move away from Star Wars, Toriyama wanted to move away from DBZ, JK Rowling want to move on from Harry Potter. I know they don't want to be known by one IP, but considering how hard it is to create a successful IP, let alone something like Pokemon (which for the record, is several times more profitable than Harry Potter if you can believe that) if I managed to land 1 successful franchise that I will be known for, for the rest of my life, I don't think I will ever want to move away from it, or try to prove that I'm more than "it". I know Mr. Miyamoto created Donkey Kong, Zelda, Mario and Donkey Kong, Pikmin, F-Zero, but that's god we are talking about here. And even with Nintendo has all those franchises, I doubt there's a time where Zelda and Mario do not take priority.

[@darknessscythe1]

This was amazing. I loved it.

[@sunnycideup4725]

holy shit, this is some AMAZING dedication, subscribed like, ACTUALLY//

[@rickster008]

I wish game freak would have tried to make a new pulseman game. The game was good

[@rickster008]

I wish game freak made

[@Xenshi.]

don’t let ultra sun/moon distract you from the fact that we could’ve had a badass sounding game called pokemon eclipse, totally a missed opportunity

[@ipotatosenpai7002]

Nearly forgot

[@Some-guy-on-the-internet]

That's kinda close to what almost actually happened. Instead of USUM, there was gonna be a HD enhanced third version for the Switch called Pokémon Stars but for whatever reason it was cancelled and USUM released on 3DS in its place.

[@SaSo-mk6yh]

Eclipse, twilight or star/stellar.

[@vivaviva3617]

Pokemon Solar Eclipse and Lunar Eclipse

[@NottJoeyOfficial]

​@@Some-guy-on-the-internet it's not that ir was canceled, it never actually existed as anything more than a concept and people jumped on it

[@buchiklop110]

Kalos got so shafted by Game Freak. The emphasis on Zygarde, adding more Mega Evolutions for Pokémon in Gens 4 and later, expanding the story of Team Flare, and showing off new areas of Kalos. I loved X and Y and the lack of Z version kills me even today.

[@lawznwdsc]

I still think it possible Z or X2 and Y2 could come out when it time for what everyone expects to be x and y remakes to come out I also hope we get a legends game in Kalos.

[@Gavman2105]

I wish every day to be able to get a copy from the alternate timeline that actually let Z happen

[@delaneyelekes8660]

People scoff at XY nowadays, but man, they should be more upset that we didn't get sequel entries or something. Gen 6 is the ONLY generation that is unarguably unfinished.

[@SamuelLSBattle]

​@@lawznwdsc POKEMON X SQUARED AND Y SQUARED!

[@toumabyakuya]

@@delaneyelekes8660 *"Gen 6 is the ONLY generation that is **_unarguably_** unfinished."* "Unarguably"? hardly. X/Y had a beginning, a development and an ending like any other game. There's nothing left to develop.

[@AngelSanchez-pn4xq]

Man this was a fun recommendation today

[@crystalian965]

LMAO FR

[@SLonn978]

I know, right? Pokemon Z after 10 years

[@zer0w0lf94]

"What happened to Pokémon Z?" It became Pokémon Legends: Z-A and is going to be released worldwide in 2025!

[@daft_icup]

😡

[@harshadgaikwad-eu7jq]

Yup

[@carolbayasca9275]

I can imagine Pokémon Gray becoming another Pokémon Legends game...

[@f.dud4]

That's a 10 year gap of what was supposed to release Pokémon Z (2015) to the actual release of Pokémon Legends: Z-A (2025).

[@misterzygarde6431]

Pokemon Z hurts more since Gen 6 is incomplete. Would’ve been happy to wait another year for Pokemon Sun and Moon

[@theirishpotato6588]

Agreed

[@jazuqua]

There's like multiple wasted plot points. Like the train station in Couriway, the power plant mentioned in the videos, and even South Kalos. Also the lack of generation 6 Megas, like the only one is the mythical Diancie and it was just introduced in ORAS. Edit: The game also mentions a separate war 300 years ago, which we don't even know anything about. So another wasted plot point to add, I guess.

[@JuanGomez-ke5py]

Pokemon x and y feels like a prototype for what they wanted to do for the Nintendo 3DS

[@madnessarcade7447]

Not technically incomplete It’s completed by the anime in a way and Oras does fill in some lore details

[@mikayel6175]

@@madnessarcade7447 not enough

[@ohgodohfuck7959]

“Pokémon Legends Z” sounds like a killer name for a game- exploring Kalos’ past with the war either before the war or directly afterwards, showing the immediate aftermath

[@Shikamaru1873]

I can see that happening aswell as maybe a remake of both x and y

[@ChrisBeYT]

Pokémon LegendZ

[@getolde7966]

That could actually give us the darkest pokemon game yet. Imagine being transported back to a war-ridden Kalos- But tbh I‘d really love to see a more mature pokemon game. Then again, maybe the game could take place during the war in an alternate timeline where the player has to stop the use of the ultimate weapon?

[@erops7933]

Pokémon would literally never do that, it's a cool concept digging the lore and satisfying fans but yk how their brand is 🤷

[@stacyfearlicia]

no it doesn’t 💀🤡

[@lungilungo9734]

Funny how Scarlet and Purple (Violet) actually did end up happening, but brown and vermillion are still mysteries.

[@rairinekoine]

Let's Go Eevee, Brown for Yellow remake Version 2

[@AE-or7xd]

I thought Vermillion was used as a city name 😅

[@696Productions]

Scarlet was a fansite way before even gen 4

[@TheMightofDab]

@@AE-or7xd all the gen 1 towns are named after colours. the exception being pallet town, which is still colour related

[@Voliharmin]

@@AE-or7xdName registered in 2008 was used in a game from 1996?

[@gitgud_kryz1738]

Looking at this video again after the recent announcement.

[@AustinJohnPlays]

Thanks for letting me do this voiceover! It’s a long one but I love info and talking about Nintendo games! Edit: Coming Here after the Pokemon Day Presents 2024 now that we know about Pokemon Legends Z-A

[@DidYouKnowGamin]

Any time my man.

[@ibragaming03]

Ok ,👍🏻

[@Cheezyman3]

your a legend austin

[@AustinJohnPlays]

@@Cheezyman3 no, you're a legend! lol

[@KironLunaEden]

Ma absolute favorite voice to listen to when it comes to pokemon stuff combined with my favorite nintendo lore channel is like my birthday, christmas and eastern fused together. 🥰

[@LunarWingCloud]

It was so obvious we were supposed to get a Pokémon Z. They had to move the Zygarde stuff to Sun and Moon, very few trainers actually use Mega Evolution, AZ's Floette never got released, just so much about X and Y that screamed "third version incoming" and that third version never came

[@pleasecallmedaviddjs1298]

My guess is that they were probably a bunch of concepts for a Pokémon Z they just never put it together into an actual game. So there was probably a plan for Pokémon Z they just never made Pokémon Z. There is no guarantee that there is a vault that has the whole entire partially finished Pokémon Z just ideas and concepts they had planned for it and decided to just push them aside into other games later.

[@Gabo2oo]

Now I wonder if Mega Evolution found its way into Sun and Moon mostly because of all the Kalos "leftover" content. Maybe without that factor it would've been a one-Gen-only thing like Z-Moves and (probably) Dynamax.

[@pleasecallmedaviddjs1298]

@@Gabo2oo Wait what do you mean by probably Dyna Max?

[@mads_in_zero]

Also the fact that X, Y, Z represents 3D coordinates, which was perfect for the series first fully 3D mainline entry, on a system with a stereoscopic 3D effect!

[@toumabyakuya]

*"It was so obvious we were supposed to get a Pokémon Z."* Not so obvious. There's very little evidence that GF themselves ever planned such a thing in the first place. The absence of some things aren't alone evidence of a suppossed "Z" version because these things could have been added to X/Y as well. *"very few trainers actually use Mega Evolution, "* This was done for the sake of the story. In the story it is explained that Megas are a new thing and that not everybody can use them, so no NPC trainer could use them to mantaing the integrity of the story. *"AZ's Floette never got released,..."* Not the first time something like this happens. Arceus wasn't released either, yet nobody says "Gen 4 is incomplete".

[@KongoDelivery]

What a timing to get this video recomended. Pokemon legends Z-A

[@IsaacContreras-jo5yw]

Who’s here after pokemon z just got announced

[@Potactical]

Me but Z isn’t the same as legends Z-A

[@sp9017]

⁠@@Potacticalit’s a reboot of the original project

[@Potactical]

@@sp9017 says who, its a legends spinoff game. Not a 3rd game

[@SLonn978]

@@PotacticalBy your logic, so is legends arceus. I disagree with that

[@MYCUH6]

Pokemon Z never happened. We only got X and Y 😢😢😢

[@TwoPairSA]

Everything about Project Gear is depressing. Both that it stopped a proper Z from happening and that they did it because some guys just wanted to make a non-Pokemon hit and the lesson they learned seemed to be "No, now get back to making Pokemon"

[@psychokinrazalon]

Creative burnout is a real thing. GameFreak is probably sick of Pokémon by now.

[@c0mpu73rguy]

@@psychokinrazalon Aren't we all?

[@angelrosas2556]

@@psychokinrazalon Pokemon is the reason why they are relevant and why they have jobs. They can quit for all i care.

[@Missingno_Miner]

@@angelrosas2556 That's... not really fair. Just because it's what they're known for doesn't mean they can't make something different, especially if it's a matter of mixing things up to avoid burnout.

[@takeyourpills3979]

@@Missingno_Miner LOL that guy is right, they CAN quit. Grow up kid, dont lick the shoes of corporations

[@ClaireZhasa]

I do think that these "abandoned" concepts could be used to revisit Unova and Kalos as Legends type games and explore important events in both of those regions histories. Grey could be about the dragons crashing into Unova and Z could be about the war from 3000 years before

[@GhostrareStardust]

Ya I'm hoping we get this if they do a legends game based in unova

[@Glory2Snowstar]

I wanna see the Boston Sinistea Party in Legends Unova or it’s a no-buy

[@jazuqua]

I honestly would want to see some kind of ancient futuristic Kalos. Like in XY they mention that AZ united Kalos with advanced technology. They also mention a war 300 years ago, so they could expand on that instead

[@ClaireZhasa]

Another that could work well for this type would be the Orre region. Being a spin off already it would lend itself well to a more "mature" spin off.

[@mythosinfinite6736]

Imagine: "Pokémon Warriors" as a Musou game set in the warring period of Kalos.

[@LLTTV849]

This was a really insightful video. It makes a lot of sense why X and Y had literally no content and there was so many unreleased events and such. It was all planned for Z but never ended up getting developed

[@evo2500]

ITS HERE

[@SapphireSolstice67]

Came here to say that but you said it first

[@tkayube]

I always thought they moved away from third versions because too many people were skipping the first two and waiting for the "inevitable" third. But it looks like it's actually the exact opposite!

[@Poever]

Have you looked at the sales figures of the third versions? Of course the opposite happened. Third standalone versions stopped because it was much more profitable to sell TWO games instead of one

[@rhodrage]

I had a friend who didn't play B/W cause he was waiting for Gray. Some say he's still waiting.

[@legendred4198]

@@Poever But wouldn’t all the people who buy a separate version just by the standalone third because it’s the same thing anyway with different Pokémon?

[@StegDarkhorse]

@@rhodrage That's what I did. Told everyone I'd wait to see what was going to be in Pokemon Gray. That game never came out and I wound up skipping all of Gen 5 over it.

[@psychokinrazalon]

@SMWFZ1190 In other words, Pokémon games weren’t rushed.

[@WingedFish66]

AZ's Floette also has its own dex entry. In Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon only. They went out of their way to code in a dex entry for it and it's still forever in limbo

[@user-jl7cz2pe6d]

Fun fact: You can actually get it's dex entry legitimately by scanning it's QR Code

[@thedapperdolphin1590]

It’s weird to think that X and Y are basically 9 years old now. They introduced a lot of new things.

[@terestar]

They're getting close to 10 years old. By October of this year, it'll have been 10 years which is absolutely bonkers to think about.

[@Fr0stySn00ze]

I still have the promotional pre-order poster on my door lol

[@lunarlegend8924]

it genuinely feels, at least in hindsight, that whenever they say "we like to surprise fans" they actually mean "we like to disappoint fans, especially if we make more money off doing so"

[@vectoralphaAI]

100% yes they surprise fans with how much they can disappoint them

[@purpleclaws202]

Except ORAS and Black 2 White 2 are better

[@bradenwebb7307]

@@purpleclaws202you’re right, couldn’t have repeated the 5 games per generation tradition they had already established in Gen 3/4 🙄 What a silly thing to say

[@shock789]

@@bradenwebb7307 Except ORAS was a fantastic game which expanded on everything people wanted from a remake (except battle frontier rip) as well as expanding much more with its dlc while breathing life into the entire region of gen 3. You can fly on a mega latios/latias and roam around the entire 3d region from above. It still kept megas for older pokemon as well instead of making a different one off mechanic that is supposed to somehow tie into the lore of pokemon... Once is enough with megas and Z moves are fine since pokemon moves have always been mysterious but gigantamax and crystaliziation thingy? Idk about you but it seems like overgeneralization is our next poison for pokemon And at least megas had different designs with better in-universe explanation instead of it being a slap on thing as common as super sayain forms. Instead of them half assing ideas with impossible deadlines they should let the team finish their work on a game and give us the final fucking version of each generation. Hardware stopped being an issue since the heartgold and soulsilver era

[@RAFMnBgaming]

@@shock789 Gen V was operating on the same hardware requirements as Gen IV, it wasn't dsi exclusive or anything. B2W2 still had to be able to run on a launch day DS. Very big improvement engine wise though.

[@DeepWeeb]

On the topic of mysterious and unused trademarks, I think the real reason behind them isn't because they had any tentative uses for them but because by preemptively filling a trademark they can prevent others from using it, it's only a coincidence that the next Pokémon games is called "Scarlet" while a similar but unrelated trademark was registered +10 years ago and hasn't been claimed by fans Another case of that happening was shortly after the reveal of the Hoenn remakes Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire with the trademark "Delta Emerald" suggesting a remake for the third edition (although their internal database show such thing wasn't even considered unlike Pokémon Z)

[@Shinijou]

This is pretty much the most likely reason, especially since the remakes have never received third games.

[@chrisray9653]

Don't even get me started on Square and "Chrono Break".

[@oldnosoul4183]

I don't agree, other companies might feel it necessary to do something like that but Pokemon doesn't really need to because they own the "Pokemon" trademark itself. Regardless of the trademark, no other game could be called "Pokemon Grey" or "Pokemon Z" so trademarking those terms is relatively useless unless they actually had plans to make them. And just releasing a game that has "Grey" or "Z" in its name would matter little if it didn't also have the Pokemon name behind it. The fact that the term "Delta Emerald" was trademarked is itself evidence of a game idea, even if it was only thought of as a possibility (though this might be more likely then we think, given that they had to cut the battle frontier and other important content). A good way to test if they just go around trademarking potential games that they have no actual plan on making is to check for a Pokemon Crystal remake trademark right before the release of HeartGold SoulSilver, if they really do this to cover themselves legally then they should have something like that. That or a trademark for a third Sword and Shield game.

[@WOLKsite]

They also considered WaterBlue back in Gen III, but didn't even trademark that...

[@Dad_Shoes]

@@WOLKsite I'm pretty sure they did.

[@LewtwoYT]

Was fun to be a part of this video, since I've been really passionate about Pokemon Z and it's possible development for some time. Happy to see it's fully out!!

[@DeepWeeb]

Look, it's him, THE Lewtwo! Congratulations dude, I was already guessing you would be featured even before watching the video

[@FTChomp9980]

The Legend is here!

[@LunarWingCloud]

Nice to have your research added to the video!

[@thunderboargames8369]

Now we got the Pokémon Platinum remake downfall because it never existed because of game freak goes faithful by Rsuh/port Diamond and pearl as well as wasting the potential Platinum remake to a Monster hunter knock off.

[@LewtwoYT]

@@thunderboargames8369 none of these words are in the bible

[@skibot9974]

I think a problem with Game Freak’s strategy was that all their non Pokémon games were download exclusive. This meant they had more limited marketing and sales potential. They should’ve stuck to one non Pokémon game (I feel harmoknight had the most potential) and have made that a full retail game if they really wanted to make the next Pokémon

[@user-10021]

Nah the problem is that they’re all just shitty shovelware-like games. Who tf wants to play these? Right, Nobody. The concepts were doomed from the start

[@ryangarza5513]

It really breaks my heart just how badly the gear project went. The devs wanted to make something new and exciting and something other than Pokemon. But pretty much they were punished for wanting to venture out into other games and the reception was pretty much "just stick to Pokemon games for the rest of your life." It's sad all 3 of those games are pretty much dead and never to return again and screwing over my favorite pokemon generation (gen 6) as a result

[@Nothisndhdudjdjdj]

Seems more like they just didn’t advertise the games

[@demarcomixon]

I think it’s fine they want to make new games, I think it’s unfortunate that Pokémon had to suffer bc they wanted to try something new. Also, ppl expect Pokémon from gamefreak. It’s hard to break out of that.

[@croemy]

The outcome seemed pretty mediocre as well so it should have been expected. They probably got a lot of help from Nintendo (being it advise or higher standards) to set the grounds for Pokemon back in Gen 1.

[@icebearlikestrains6238]

@@croemy yeah, i'm all for game freak trying new things but those games all seemed pretty mediocre, bordering shovelware status (the elephant one actually looks cool, though). i'm not sure what they were expecting.

[@ZombieAndroid]

​@icebearlikestrains6238 The Elephant game looked the best but still incredibly mediocre, especially compared to pokemon. There's just way too much going on in pokemon to think a side scrolling Elephant game would compete with it.

[@Mr_bukowski4435]

It’s a shame Z never made it because I really wanted to see more of Kalos since it was such an intriguing region for me so I was sad to hear it never came out

[@princesscrystal6410]

We were cock teased so hard with a southern Kalos

[@stillcold]

it having the best mechanic, mega evolution, made the game so much fun

[@purpleclaws202]

​@@stillcold it has the most boring map

[@expo_pkmn]

​@@purpleclaws202Galar and Alola are worse imo

[@purpleclaws202]

@expo_pkmn you know what. I recently replayed them and you're right wtf happened there?! At least it seems like Pokemon got some redemption with Legends Arceus and Scarlet and Violet

[@animegamingnerd]

I think the trademarks were simply to secure those names in the future, just look at Pokemon Scarlet for example. I doubt they were planning that far ahead, but instead secured a bunch of names before others could.

[@MomokoTuHarumaki]

Generation 6 truly got the short end of the stick. My partner and I were talking about how incomplete Kalos felt. It felt odd how there were so many dead ends, and how incomplete so many storylines felt. I personally think they had more planned but skipped ahead to get a move on with Gen 7. I hope someday we get a proper visit to Kalos with no stone left unturned.

[@carterstanton3540]

Hopefully when they make remakes for those games the old ideas they had will come to light.

[@NottJoeyOfficial]

Sadly these days it would probably be more along the lines of the Diamond and Pearl remakes, very sad.

[@royalgelly8948]

Kalos' story got absolutely ruined. Apparently, it had something to do with aliens but they decided it was overall "too complex for children" so they scrapped it and scraped together the pieces. You can see remnants of the alien/otherworldy being in the Team Flare admin designs.

[@joesavag]

I hate the notion of a Pokémon game being too complex or difficult for kids. Pokémon ruby and sapphire had kids solving puzzles written in braille to get legendary Pokémon.

[@charliejones7512]

Does it even explain how the big guy who lost his Flabebe in the war still managed to survive all those years? I’m sure I’m missing something other than what the in game lore tells us.

[@Kevin-ld5un]

Finally got a return to Kalos

[@MrPokebozz]

As a little kid Pokemon Z felt like such a missed possibility imagine how good it would've been. Gen 6 felt so unfinished sure it had a ending but there really was so much left and Pokemon completely fumbled the bag. Atleast we got oras which were some of the best remakes we've gotten. More of a reboot actually lol.

[@lawznwdsc]

I think It's possible they could do Pokemon Z or X2 and Y2 as found in the code of x and y instead of a remake when the time comes.

[@piranhalettuce]

@@lawznwdsc I wouldn't mind if they skipped the Unova remakes to give us Pokemon Z/ X2 and Y2.

[@Ranzord95]

​@@piranhalettuce yeah honestly BW2 already feel like the remakes where they added, fixed and refined the stuff they couldn't in BW, plus gen 5 doesn't feel that aged an XY remake should be their redemption

[@kevin-cy3cf]

@@Ranzord95 um problem we have no idea how they gonna handle gen5 because both games are heavenly connected to each other and just remaking part 1 wouldn't work at all

[@Moonburst12]

Respectfully disagree that ORAS we're good remakes. They were okay. I had fun with them, but they were unfinished too. As someone who grew up with Emerald, the lack of inclusion of Battle Frontier was a massive disappointment. HGSS set a very high bar for remakes as they included an incredible amount of post game content that went even beyond expectations. They got the Platinum Battle Frontier and the Pokemon Olympic Games type mini game that was pretty entertaining ALONG with the expected Kanto experience. Similarly, the Diamond and Pearl remakes were also pretty mid.

[@InsaneGamersPro]

The one thing I always did wish they'd expand upon from X&Y was the locked door on Route 13. I always had a strong feeling there was something planned for it and possibly related to Volcanion. We never really got any in game event that allowed us to find, battle, and catch Volcanion. Only way to get it was through online distributions. So I felt like it was a big missed opportunity to use the plant in Route 13 to be a secret area where you could find Volcanion.

[@Bombasaur101]

Yeah I really wished this video covered all the hints for Z left in the first game. Really the only new thing I learnt about was the Gear project.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

I dunno by Gen 5 they stopped letting you catch event Legendaries and just gave them out

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

People think Hoopa would've been in the Chamber of Emptiness and Diancie in the Reflection Cave though

[@TheAtemAndrew]

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 I blame whatever happened with Arceus. It's clear that they want to have these cool locations, events, dialogue, have the player do something to get there.... but some higher up just went 'no, players are too dumb. Just give it to them... or don't.'

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@@TheAtemAndrew I mean that's literally it, thought that was clear to everyone. The only event Legendary they let you catch for an Event was Victini, not counting Deoxys in ORAS, Keldeo in SwSh and the event Legends in LA.

[@ElijahSince97]

Who’s here after Pokémon Legends Z-A got announced

[@toopienator]

Of course this got recommended now when they technically announced Pokemon Z

[@linkheroofwinds]

Ice Burn and Freeze Shock were programmed into Black and White. I find it hard to believe Kyurem wasn’t already planned to fuse with Reshiram and Zekrom

[@sb6196]

Agreed why would they be there if kyurem planned to fuse with them.

[@FrozenOver0]

Yeah, it just makes sense. Maybe you could argue that at the time they weren't sure if they wanted to have Kyurem fuse with Reshiram and Zekrom one at a time, or both at once, but those moves paint a pretty clear picture of what Kyurem would fuse with. Though that just leaves the question of why they copyrighted brown, viridian, etc. "Off-color" gen-one remakes, maybe? But even that's a stretch.

[@njck-gaming8387]

Well, they could make you choose one in the story and have the other be postgame in Pokémon gray,

[@lianaverwood9810]

The Moves could've been set up to be used in *Promotional Distributions of Kyurem,* with _each Attack_ appearing on _each Version's Promo_ - *Freeze Shock in Black,* and *Ice Burn in White...*

[@sync9847]

Keep in mind that they were likely coded in late in the game's development, by then they probably had a good idea on what to do next.

[@denverarnold6210]

Still disappointed that we never got a complete form of Kyurem, fusing all three.

[@Game_Hero]

What typing would it be?

[@denverarnold6210]

@@Game_Hero I would imagine either a unique combo of all three, or fire/electric.

[@brandonfulstone7628]

That would've been cool

[@Evilriku13]

also ironic cuz remember that BW, BW2 and even XY mentioned that they were one pokemon and there was never an ingame picture, fossil etc to show what it would have been like?

[@Onyxs]

Would be great idea for a Legends Unova game

[@YrokuSaykaro]

hmmmm, I sure wonder why this video is being reccomended again after a year and a half

[@supersaiyankirby]

AZ's floette's attack being Light of Ruin is really interesting considering the legendary Quartet in SV are the Ruinous Pokemon that have abilities with similar names. Wonder if the DLC might establish some connection or establish that they're all some form of corrupted "ruinous" variants like a canon version of Shadow Pokemon

[@supersaiyankirby]

I WAS WRONG ABOUT THE DLC BUT HOLDING ON TO COPE FOR LEGENDS Z LETS GOOO

[@Morgil27]

I'm love B2W2, and didn't need a gray version. However, I do wish we had gotten a Z version. Kalos really needed some more love and attention, and Zygarde desperately needed an expanded story.

[@Evilriku13]

as some people say: BW2 was peak pokemon content. So yes, happy we didnt necessarly got a "gray" version, tho if that meant we got a difficulty selection option right from the start then gimme that gray edition!

[@yenfay536]

Exactly that. I also feel like people who want Pokémon gray missed the point of the games, having the games be white and black again was such a powerful message that aligned with what the games were telling,Pokémon gray wouldn’t have had such an impact

[@johannessguten2527]

@@Evilriku13 i honestly would have like both since Gen 5 is my favorite Gen. Grey could have had updated character designs for the protags and remixed areas since bw2 was more about the progression of things. Also in a Pokémon grey it could have kyurem as a focus in the story before all the fusion junk maybe even go balls ro the wall and have n have both reshiram and zekrom while you use kyurem to fight him.

[@TiztasticallyWicked]

BW2 technically is Gray. Dark Gray & Light Gray, Gray-Black & Gray-White, Gray Flame & Gray Frost, etc. The only reason it doesn't actively use it is to continue to follow the theme of opposition the games had. A rose by any other name, this Gray colored rose is named BW2/B2W2/etc.

[@johannessguten2527]

@@TiztasticallyWicked no pokemon grey would be the be versión of únova remixed and also the same protagnotissts

[@DrMario_666]

Who else is here after the announcement of Pokemon Legends Z-A??

[@edabada4214]

"There was no way we could implement these things in time for black and whites release" And that pretty much sums up what's wrong with the pokemon company. Imagine if they were given as much time as they wanted...

[@tigerofdoom]

Regarding "the right direction for this channel" - Yes, 100%. You dig deep for facts, translating, interviewing, slogging through. Then, you're presenting just the facts and carefully caveating speculation. "Real" news organizations could learn a thing or two. What you're doing here is legitimate journalism, and it is a service to the community that we genuinely appreciate!

[@PlasmoidThunder]

The funny thing is that Game Freak doesn't seem to realise that it doesn't really have "fans"; the majority of Pokémon fans don't know what Game Freak is, as they think Nintendo makes the Pokémon games, so they weren't ever going to get anywhere near the sales figures of Pokémon.

[@Evilriku13]

ironic cuz it's right on the titlescreen before the bootup, but if children skip these, then they dunno, their parents dunno, their friends dunno and at worst: Their opinions on twitter one day won't know whom to blame for this.

[@takeyourpills3979]

And the Gear project games are BAD. they are only thriving thanks to the name of Pokemon. They are a terrible dev and design team honestly

[@friendlyotaku9525]

@@takeyourpills3979 Harmoknight and Tembo are FANTASTIC games! What are you talking about?

[@carso1500]

@@friendlyotaku9525 he has been going around the entire comment section with his terrible "hot takes"

[@TheTetsuHai]

@@takeyourpills3979 This^^^^^ They were so bad at programming that Red and Blue original japanese versions were absolute trash and we Westerners got Pokemon Green repackaged as Pokemon Red and Blue, Gold and Silver almost missed the release date because they couldn't program for shit and had to have Satoru Iwata come in from Nintendo to rewrite the entire code, so well that he then had enough time to add the full map of kanto which originally was just going to be the league and the route between Viridian city and Pallet town which was where you would catch pokemon like Houndour.

[@aesthetic.adrian]

All of the hard work and research that has been going into these videos is amazing honestly. It's so interesting and commendable.

[@acafecat]

More effort than GF puts into Pokemon these days

[@Batboybeyond]

Man I guess we knew what happened to Pokemon Z after all 😂

I've heard years ago that they tend to register multiple colors/names for safekeeping the website names and other things. I remember back in high school, news of a registered Delta Emerald were popping up, and I thought we were getting another version of the gen 3 remakes. But it probably was registered for the Delta chapter in Omega Ruby and Aqua Sapphire.

[@jazuqua]

It doesn't seem they were intent on using it for a game. Since they only trademarked "Delta Emerald", if they were intent on using it they may have also trademarked "Pocket Monsters Delta Emerald" as well.

[@patrick4384]

I remember when I first started watching dykg I thought "Surely they'll run out of the good trivia eventually, right?" Years later and the content is longer and better than ever. I don't know how you guys do it. As far as I'm concerned you are the "elite" when it comes to this kind of content, the big developers will realize this soon enough!

[@Mitchell4892]

Agree, I've been watching their videos for years now and recently they've gotten really good. Constantly impressed.

[@bellboy7809]

I remember the old Dykg. A bunch of facts all compiled into a video to make for some handy trivia to tell friends. The facts were typically about one series or topic. They were good. :) This is better. This is legitimate journalism. This tells a story about game development, what happened and didn’t happen and why. This is a fantastic way to continue the channel. :D

[@jebronlames987]

This direction is better because the previous one wasn’t sustainable. A video per gaming franchise means you’re gonna run out of notable franchises very quickly… and they did.

[@MokohiChan]

​@@jebronlames987They still do have a side channel that does that though.

[@jebronlames987]

@@MokohiChan Well there’s a reason why it’s a “side” channel.

[@heyindiegamer7831]

30:15 Honestly, the biggest loss that never happened. I've would have love to seen a Mega Flygon

[@Anyoutlaw]

Hopefully next year 😂

[@EdmacZ]

Pokemon Z is one of the greatest travesties ever perpetrated. Kalos is incomplete and would've tied a bow on the whole generation.

[@antsmoveaway2087]

I don't know man, tiananmen square was pretty gnarly

[@toumabyakuya]

*"Kalos is incomplete..."* No, is not. The games are complete and nothing is missing to beat them.

[@toumabyakuya]

@@FreightmareFTW Man, do you know something that makes me not want to "repent"? People like you that spam like this when nobody is talking about him.

[@tammyads]

I feel like some of the experience was missing too just needed something else. ^^

[@quinton1630]

@@antsmoveaway2087 Tiananmen Square? Buddy, please, 2015 was the year we didn’t get a mainline POKÉMON RELEASE.

[@RetroYoungen]

I was a game critic back when they were working on Gear Project games (I suppose, I didn't know that was their thing at the time), and Pocket Card Jockey is one of my favorite under-the-radar games of my time. So adorable, easy to pick up and enjoy in short doses, and really didn't get the shake it deserved.

[@truemanmassat5919]

It's really sad, but also I get it! All the ideas they've done on the side are quirky, but in the way where they feel like they don't look appetizing to people outside of the, like, teens-to-20s demos. Or like all of them would have done better on ios. Coming from the outside I see Game Freak as an adventure RPG company while the Gear games don't feel like you could put dozens of hours into them. Except then Giga Wrecker DOES look like a big world game that I would've enjoyed but I've literally never heard of it before, and Little Town Hero had gameplay issues, so now I'm even more confused than I was coming in!! Maybe the sad lesson is, ultimately, console games don't get to be "pick up in short doses" anymore, and your game shouldn't say "from the pokemon devs but not pokemon"

[@Zackattackplayspokemon]

It sucks that the one time I gave one of those games a chance it was little town hero which I wasnt fond of

[@geealion]

PCJ is so so underrated! I take any opportunity to talk it up. I still play it to this day.

[@shellos2001]

Pokemon X is one of my favorite games of all time. The story of Z breaks my heart :(

[@y8knsnsnzmzz]

Well this is fun to get recommended after Pokemon ZA was announced

[@antshield]

This episode was SO INTERESTING!! You guys are killing it! The Pokemon Z question always killed me, with that Zygard quest feeling out of place in Sun and Moon. Thanks for the hard work!

[@mathewricafrente5984]

Pokémon Gray not being a thing is perfectly fine since we got Black 2 & White 2, which were better than getting a typical 3rd version. Pokémon Z not being a thing is a tragedy since that meant X & Y got the shaft from getting any kind of follow-up game (and is the only generation to never have gotten any kind of follow-up content, beit a new game or DLC).

[@jazuqua]

Hopefully they redeem it with a Legends Kalos game. Cause pre-war Kalos had presumed advanced technology and was united by AZ. So it would be cool to see an ancient yet futuristic Kalos. Or Kalos set in the middle of the war, or what would become Kalos with several kingdoms or something spread throughout the game, maybe Kalos set 300 years ago during a war that happened then.

[@goldmemberpb]

I think a remake in 2030 or even a Legends game would help a lot toward fleshing out Kalos and reintroducing Megas into the game.

[@oldnosoul4183]

Speak for yourself, who's to say that Pokemon Grey wouldn't just be Black 2 & White 2 combined with more of a focus on Kyrum? If it were a game we might've actually gotten to see the original dragon, it seems like the developers did want a grey version given just how important Kyrum is to those stories and given how quickly they were developed after Black and White. They probably didn't want a person to have both legends though.

[@Ace-002]

Exactly I actually wished we had more sequels. Pokémon ultra sun and moon was the worst thing ever 98% was the same exact game. Also I don’t mind dlc since it’s adding on ti a older game instead of having to play the same exact game with a few differences (ex: platinum)

[@Evilriku13]

@@Ace-002 tho the postgame of USUM was neat. But yeah, they felt like the most cheapshots out of the entire franchise, esp cuz it was a double "sequel".

[@josephchackon1717]

Its a shame pokemon Z didnt happen, but I also wish that project gear did better or was atleast tempered for alot smaller expectations for what could be produced. Game freak splitting into two teams for another big hit doesnt seem smart but then again hindsight is 20/20

[@bipbap5079]

Then again, its amazing how much they managed to accomplish, they ported every pokemon into 3d creating models and animation along with Mega Evolutions, not only that but they made a really impressive looking game for the 3ds. Its kinda crazy how much of the things from gen 6 were kept even until now.

[@Fatblue246]

as much as definitive third editions didn’t sell well, they REALLY did do a good job of wrapping up a generation. The sequels never feel definitive to me, they always feel like the story could be continued if they want. Which in a way i guess is nice, but at the same time i do miss that finality of the third installments.

[@GoldenSunAlex]

Agreed.

[@christianmckee2116]

Agreed! It's why BW2 felt disappointing as sequels in retrospect. They didn't do a satisfying job of tying all of BW's loose ends or fixing their issues IMO.

[@dragonmaster1500]

I feel like the Gear Project was a good idea in theory, not wanting to keep all your eggs in one basket is a big thing and wanting to work on a new kind of project is a perfectly valid desire, creative burnout is no joke, but it probably needed a lot more work to iron out the kinks. Not to mention, Pokémon was one of those unique gems when it first came out, the gear project had some games with interesting concepts, but they just don't seem to have the same spark that the Pokémon franchise.

[@FreightmareFTW]

This world is rapidly passing away and I hope that you repent and take time to change before all out disaster occurs! Belief in messiah alone is not enough to grant you salvation - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36) if you believed in Messiah you would be following His commands as best as you could. If you are not a follower of Messiah I would highly recommend becoming one. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life - Revelation 3:20. Contemplate how the Roman Empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13 over the course of 1260+ years. Revelation 17 confirms that the beast is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years going back to Babylon and before, C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate once you start a relationship with God. Can't get a response from God? Fasting can help increase your perception and prayer can help initiate events. God will ignore you if your prayer does not align with His purpose (James 4:3) or if you are approaching Him when "unclean" (Isaiah 1:15, Isaiah 59:2, Micah 3:4). Stop eating food sacrificed to idols (McDonald's, Wendy's etc) stop glorifying yourself on social media or making other images of yourself (Second Commandment), stop gossiping about other people, stop watching obscene content etc. Have a blessed day!

[@evenman27]

I love that they let any employee drop everything and pursue a game concept they were passionate about (so long as they could get 2 others on board). These days every minute decision is made top-down. It's a shame it didn't pan out.

[@ZombieBarioth]

I don't think it had so much to do with a lack of spark. The Gear Project games were quirky games with barely if any advertising. They didn't have Nintendo backing them this time, or the the amazing marketing talent of TPCi. Not enough people even knew they existed, they made headlines for being made by "the Pokemon devs" and that's about it. Little Town Hero got a bit more attention due to also being a JRPG amd "stealing" dev time. Honestly its pretty telling that they had to make a direct rally cry to fans of Pokemon , it cements the idea that Pokemon fans are primarily Pokemon/Nintendo fans.

[@PinClockFuntime]

It felt like a painful reminder to them that Pokemon was lightning in a bottle and they've been coasting off it since, really.

[@quorryraphael9980]

All the gear project games I've tried were pretty good :/ Giga wrecker has some issues though

[@cameronschultz8253]

The theory about all the possible different versions could help explain why there’s such a large amount of legendary Pokémon in Gen 5 as opposed to other generations. Maybe they wanted to leave their options open for what kind of stories they could tell with Kyurem fusing?

[@joshernsteen2066]

Nintendo definitely prepared an explanation for this exact situation of someone that was going to talking about the other games based on the colors that they trademarked the websites for. Pokemon Brown is already a Gameboy Color game made by Nintendo, but they wanted someone else to take the credit for it instead. I eventually found a statement by them confirming it. I definitely found it somehow being absolutely curious about the concept not even really knowing anything about it all.

[@HuskySansVergogne]

what a time to be alive

[@Lines2322]

this has aged well after the recent pokemon presents

[@brianhaake]

A part of me feels that grey would have been about Kyerum, Zekrom, and Reshiram fusing together to make the original dragon that crashed into what is now Giant Chasm.

[@mythosinfinite6736]

That'd be the logical answer, but judging from the answers officially given in this video, I don't think that idea even passed by their mind. When Kyuurem was compared as a potential third member of the YinYang "trio," he acted as if it was baffling to even consider that they'd be related (as adding a third member would apparently ruin the theming -- which is entirely ignorant of wuji, btw, wuji would make it work perfectly). I think if they did anything other than B2W2, they wouldn't have made Zekrom or Reshiram related to Kyuurem at all. Would it make sense if they didn't do that for Grey? No, no it wouldn't. But from what we've just been told? They wouldn't agree with that.

[@kirimusse]

They will make the B&W remakes along the lines of BDSP, and featuring the Original Dragon, Legends Kyurem will also be announced with them; mark my words.

[@largepurplemonkey]

It's frustrating that we never got to see that pokemon 😤

[@friendlyotaku9525]

I hope we get a Pokemon Legends Kyurem at some point as then we could potentially see the original dragon which I've always been curious about!

[@firelordoregano5632]

@@kirimusse if bw gets the bsdp treatment after the absolute garbage fire that was i am going to burrow into the core of the earth and die

[@tacoman422]

The info on Project Gear is interesting to me, since for the longest time Little Town Hero was the game that got lambasted for “stealing devs from Pokemon” thanks to its general unpopularity and SwSh’s “Dexit” controversy, but this suggests that it was merely on the tail end of a larger period where Gamefreak found their focus split for a number of reasons.

[@Grendel9]

LTH wasn’t that bad of a game imo. The concept was interesting and it was easy to get the hang of. It was just unfortunate that it got a lot of undeserving flack because people didn’t like dexit and wanted to throw blame on something. I think their biggest issue was that too many people think Nintendo makes Pokémon games and not GameFreak so they didn’t have enough exposure.

[@tacoman422]

@@Grendel9 Honestly I still kind of want to check it out myself sometime, since it does seem like something unique and it seems like not many people actually played it long enough to have a really informed opinion of the game.

[@Grendel9]

@@tacoman422 The game is honestly nice since it uses card game elements and you have to move around an area that has useful items or characters that give you an advantage. The monsters however are very tough as they have some killer abilities that can really screw you over. It’s not too hard but at the same time the battles can take a long time if you don’t have a good strategy.

[@connorbeith3232]

I heard Little Town Hero was a pretty unpolished title that was notorious of asset reuse, at least that's what I heard.

[@Grendel9]

@@connorbeith3232 unpolished compared to a Pokémon game sure but the complaint about asset reuse confuses me.

[@carlabujen1778]

"Pokemon Legends Z - A" was announced yesterday... Maybe some of the general concepts from whatever unused development material they had for a planned Pokemon Z would be used in this game now.

[@_Katzenberg]

I've never realized how lucky I am to having a copy of Harmoknight, back in the day I purchased it by recomendation of a friend, but when I saw the GF developement, it was an instant get. The game is beautiful and challenging, with actually memorable characters, it's a shame it got shelved, like Z, Kalos has been my second favorite region and it's sad it got iced too.

[@TheBeretTalks]

The fact that Landorus and its brothers were not planned to have an alternative forme blows my mind and makes feel like if were impossible. The only thing I can think of is how different Competitive Pokémon would be today without this defining Pokémon in play. Love the video as much as the others.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

Damn competitive could've died off. If only

[@silverbolt9439]

lol and then the games would die off, story mode alone won't carry the game nowadays especially how linear it is.

[@TheBeretTalks]

@@silverbolt9439 I have not been able to purchase the new games for the NintendoSwitch since the pandemic hit hard my economy and I could not play them at all. I choose to believe you my fellow trainer. I have only watched the VGV competitions. I hope the ninth generation games bring improvements for both sides for the better.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@@diamondfrieza5391 I can beat him

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@@diamondfrieza5391 Isn't there items and abilities that strengthen super effective moves? Get him with that and an Ice Beam and boom.

[@MegaManNeo]

Ash-Greninja being in the XYZ anime while being in Sun and Moon games (which honestly surprised me) always confused me. I'm certain it was very well supposed to be in Z.

[@drbiohazmat]

It amuses me how GF wanted to make something to rival Pokémon but didn't look at what made it so big. It's the fact that it plays on childlike desires we all have, to have a bunch of things that do cool things and look cool with it going however we want. If they wanted to rival it, they would have had to focus on something similar, in that it captures a childlike desire that we still keep as adults

[@firelordoregano5632]

i’m glad we got the bw sequels rather than a 3rd version remake. bw’s greatest strength was its story, and it was amazing to get a continuation. b2/w2 are phenomenal games and i love them, and gen 5 as a whole

[@zemessai]

Sucks cause conceptually Kalos/XY was the coolest region to me. The whole Xerneas' Life and Yveltal's Death and Zygarde's balance concept is really awesome

[@primrosevale1995]

Gonna be honest, I kinda doubt the trademarked titles in 2008 were meant to candidates for potential future games. We know Black and White were starting development around that time and the main concept of the games were conflicting concepts, I think it's quite likely they always planned for it to be called Black and White since those colors best represent that concept. Not to mention we've seen Pokémon copyright potential titles simply to have them. Pokémon Diamond and Pearl were technically trademarked in 2002, I doubt they were planned to be used then. They most likely trademarked them so they couldn't be taken by no-official sources, like how the video mentions Pokémon Purple being a fan site. This might even explain why the current games are called _Scarlet and Violet_ instead of _Orange and Purple,_ the latter of which seems much more fitting. It might simply be an issue with copyright. As for Pokémon Z, I think that Zygarde receiving a story role in _Sun and Moon_ and AZ's Floette being present in the game's data with updated animations might suggest that _Sun and Moon_ itself was initially planned to be more of a continuation of Kalos. I mean think about it. Not only did the anime's XYZ arc have Zygarde's forms, it also had Ash-Greninja, and what was included in the Demo version of _Sun and Moon?_ Have you ever considered how prominent the previous generation's gimmick, Mega Evolutions, are in the Alola games? My guess is that _Sun and Moon_ were initially planned to be much more ambitious, and was originally meant to provide more of a story-based conclusion to Kalos before it was dialed back. And if that is the case, that may explain some of their decisions following this. _Sun and Moon_ have unused walking and running animations for every Pokmon and the _Ultra_ games were seemingly planned to utilize them, so they used it in _Let's Go_ as well as the _Sword & Shield_ Expansion Pass. They also may have decided that having a gimmick from a previous generation was pushing it, hence why Gen 8 lacks any gimmicks from previous generations and why Gen 9 seems to continue that trend.

[@tinkerbestie]

guys your not gonna believe this

[@NinjaPieceLOL]

I believe this.

[@ViniciusVZR]

If Game Freak decides to make remakes of the 3D Pokemon games I really hope for huge improvements in Kalos remakes, more trainers using Megas (at least every gym leaders after Korrina and E4), improved story with Zygaerd and Power Plant and AZ Floettes just like they did Azure Fluete in BDSP

[@Brandon-bc5um]

At this point, they'll obviously remake anything and everything.

[@rcube33]

Considering how BDSP actually turned out... "improvements" is a strong word

[@ArcDeity]

​@@rcube33 tbf that was made by a different company

[@Danblak08]

Remakes are better than “made to hold us off while developing the main title” in this case being bdsp holding us off before legends

[@SonicEndouRed]

​@@ArcDeityand what stops the kalos game from being done by a different company

[@Mijzelffan]

this channel has been getting pretty good lately compared to the videos from a few years ago, keep up this content

[@yourlilemogirl]

Oh hey!

[@Mijzelffan]

@@yourlilemogirl Hi, small world! :)

[@CardboardFoxAnimations]

Now we know what Scarlet and Purple was, as it became gen 9, but I wonder if the Kalos reserves are for remakes…

[@ConcordeTH]

Theres an area in the maps top right that clearly would be Kalos and I always felt thats gonna be a DLC, plus I don't think that area of Kalos was present in X & Y.

[@GeorgeofEld]

Boy do I have news for you

[@HeelBJC]

These translated articles are SO great. I hope you guys know how valuable these videos are for fans. Bravo.

[@Ganonslayer13]

You guys are bigger than IGN or anyone else in my heart. :)

[@cleverman383]

There are rumors that the Scarlet and Violet DLCs will have a return to (a small part of) Kalos. Maybe we'll finally see some of that Pokemon Z content there!

[@LoinkLoink]

There's been rumors about Kalos across multiple generations.

[@Eli-akad]

@@LoinkLoink I was just about to say something similar🤣

[@alexaipaw]

@@Eli-akad but Paldea is heavily linked to Kalos, from the fact that Spain borders France in real life, to the fact that Mega Evolution, and indeed Kalos as well, are referenced in the Violet dex entry for Roaring Moon, "According to a dubious magazine, this Pokemon has some connection to a phenomenon that occurs in a certain region."

[@alexaipaw]

In lore, Mega Evolution, the phenomenon referred to here, originates from Kalos, meaning that, although they are straying away from mentioning it by name, they clearly mean Mega Evolutions and Kalos by "phenomenon" and "certain region"

[@alexaipaw]

This is because Roaring Moon is based off of Mega Salamence in design, and while that mega was from ORAS, it is almost certainly not referring to Hoenn.

[@justcallmeSheriff]

Gonna need a follow up video! Z lives!!

[@willpoweramv]

Thank for making this video and all the research that went into it. Gen 6 was my first Pokemon game and its sad to know that it was abandoned. Zygarde and Gen 6 as a whole deserved better.

[@TMac-os1hy]

Hopefully when the time to remake comes they will do those games real Justice! Even having a legends Kalos would be awesome!

[@GamerHaven-ql1zs]

@@TMac-os1hy well…

[@soupyvibes6170]

I think we will never know what happened with z, but this is a very compelling story that I feel holds a lot of weight

[@krzx4259]

We know now with legends Z-A!

[@MadzGaming-gn4qj]

A few years after this video Pokémon Legends Z is announced

[@gengarvenom1180]

Z-A*

[@Luigis_Menace]

This may be one of my new favorite videos you guys have made. It’s so well researched and intriguing. Everything I like to see in videos like these. Absolutely phenomenal work you guys.

[@emotion_deluxe]

Also it's important to note that X&Y alludes to Blue being in Alola, as well as the Alola totem artifact cameo in X&Y. I think they knew late development that X2&Y2 was gonna get scrapped, even though they already had an idea for Zygarde's purpose. Everything from King Harmonia / Ghetsis's Relic Crown being 3,000 years old and AZ's weapon occuring "3,000 years" before the events of X&Y communicate to me that Unova, Kalos, and Alola had some kind of cohesion, and because the X&Y sequel got scrapped, it threw off the linearity of Pokemon's lore (hence Hoopa being shoved to ORAS entirely + Diancie and Volcanion being entirely glossed over). Paldea and Galar heavily imply links to Unova and Kalos, so I'm pretty sure Gamefreak is caught up with how they wanted X2&Y2 to impact the Pokémon universe. They always allude to future titles in current generations, so it's not farfetched. USUM and LGPE did this with BDSP as well, and DP did this with HGSS. Sun and Moon also has a poster of G-Max Toxtricity. They approach these interviews with such vagueness, but with a fictional world this broad, it's very clear these timelines are planned far in advance. X&Y got delayed several times too as it was already confirmed (and you even said this in the video) that BW2 and X&Y were being made around the same time. Unova's final story was being created with Kalos in mind. There's unfinished business there, and I can't wait to see how it all comes together.

[@here4thecatvids]

Today is the strange day that Pokémon Z was announced as the next Pokémon Main Line game

[@theroyaltrash]

20:50 I guess with the reveal of Legends Z-A we can probably infer that at least one of the frontrunner ideas for the 2 new versions would have been Pokémon Z and Pokémon A. I wonder what the Pokémon the A could be referring to and if it existed even back then?

[@cluesagi]

It's strange that Masuda thought Grey wouldn't have been appropriate for story reasons because B/W was about the dangers of polarization and the errors of being too idealistic or too pragmatic, and I always thought there was some serious potential for Pokemon Grey to explore this idea further and actually say something really profound. Maybe they thought it wouldn't be appropriate for the target audience, or maybe they just wanted the extra money from two games but it always seemed like a missed opportunity to me

[@FreightmareFTW]

Repent and follow Jesus my friend! Repenting doesn't mean confessing your sins to others, but to stop doing them altogether. Belief in Messiah alone is not enough to get you into heaven - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36). Contemplate how the Roman empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13. Revelation 17 confirms that it is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years to accomplish the religion of the Israelites C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate though because you can start a relationship with God and have proof. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life. - Revelation 3:20 Revelation has been unfolding since Jesus died. The Popes have claimed to be equal to God and set themselves in Jesus' place (antichrist(s)). Vatican City (Which is its own nation BTW) have risen up to fulfill the role of the false prophet Regarding the man of lawlessness or antichrist, 2 Thessalonians 2:4 says “Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” The restrainer that the Apostle Paul was referring to in 2 Thessalonians was the Western Roman Emperor, who held back the Popes from taking power. Once the last Western Roman Emperor was removed from power in 476 AD, the Pope was given civil and ecclesiastic authority over Rome; healing the deadly head wound of the beast in Revelation 13, as they took the Emperors title of Pontifex Maximus, leader of the church and state. “We may according to the fullness of our power, dispose of the law and dispense above the law. Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God.” (Source: “Decretals of Gregory IX,” Book 1, chapter 3.) Pope Pius V blasphemed, “The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.” (Source: Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Cities Petrus Bertanous Chapter XXVII: 218.) Pope Leo XIII declared, “We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.” (Source: Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter, June 20, 1894) The antichrist sea beast of Revelation points to the office of the papacy, the Popes of Rome, who controlled the Roman beast for 1,260 years, from 538-1798 AD. Daniel 7:25 says “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.” The Popes of Rome spoke against Elohim and proclaimed to be God. They reigned for 1,260 years, from 538-1798 AD. during which they caused tens of millions of saints to be killed. The Pope’s title is Vicar of Christ, which in Latin is ‘Vicarius Filii Dei’, and equates numerically to the number 666

[@johannessguten2527]

The pokemon be anime intro literally has a line saying not everything black and white

[@skibot9974]

And had they made Z it likely wouldn’t have screwed up the anime’s plans as much

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

Storywise you take one dragon and N the other. Doesn't really make sense for a Grey version unless N had both dragons and you had Kyurem but that would be a repeat of Platinum in a way and would've worked better with Z.

[@HackedGlitch265]

If black and white were meant to represent polarity and opposites, why not have grey represent the harmony, a fusion of opposites? It would've fit the theme as well in some ways.

[@thunderstarchampion]

It's a real shame that they're seeing better profit margins with a split rather than making a definitive version for fans. Sure, it's now easier than ever to trade with friends, connect over long distances (even if Nintendo is infamous for their internet system's being less than its competitions) and such, but like locking shinies or timed exclusive events, it doesn't feel great. Thanks for the vid!

[@FreightmareFTW]

This world is rapidly passing away and I hope that you repent and take time to change before all out disaster occurs! Belief in messiah alone is not enough to grant you salvation - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36) if you believed in Messiah you would be following His commands as best as you could. If you are not a follower of Messiah I would highly recommend becoming one. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life - Revelation 3:20. Contemplate how the Roman Empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13 over the course of 1260+ years. Revelation 17 confirms that the beast is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years going back to Babylon and before, C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate once you start a relationship with God. Can't get a response from God? Fasting can help increase your perception and prayer can help initiate events. God will ignore you if your prayer does not align with His purpose (James 4:3) or if you are approaching Him when "unclean" (Isaiah 1:15, Isaiah 59:2, Micah 3:4). Stop eating food sacrificed to idols (McDonald's, Wendy's etc) stop glorifying yourself on social media or making other images of yourself (Second Commandment), stop gossiping about other people, stop watching obscene content etc. Have a blessed day!

[@TMac-os1hy]

Well I think that’s why the DLC system works a lot better than both the definitive or two separate new games.

[@Rogue_Chanman]

Wild how they registered scarlet and Purple (violet) back before Gen 5

[@Whispernyan]

Is it really that crazy that they trademarked a bunch of colors over a decade ago and it just so happened their name game is also a random color

[@Sephern]

I'm hoping XZ and YZ become the remakes when we get there for the Kalos remakes. Kalos is really up there in my favorite regions. I was really attached to gens 1-3, and Kalos was my return to Pokemon and I'm glad it was having gone back and played gen 4 and 5 which were less of what I wanted. I honestly wish we could get something art-wise close to X and Y with some of the new game mechanics we've been seeing in games like BDSP and Legends Arceus.

[@Poyostar]

I always did wonder why we never got to revisit Kalos in the games, be it through another version or something else entirely, so hearing about what may have happened that resulted in this sure was interesting, even if it was just a bunch of theories. Great work as always, guys.

[@Labyrinth6000]

Pokémon x/y is the most unfinished story wise of all the series. So much cut content like the part with the haunted girl and building, permanently locked event pokemon like AZ’s Floette. It’s clear the primary focus was the series going 3D and mega evolutions.

[@Evilriku13]

the haunted girl doesnt necessarly need to have something bigger attached to it like in Gen 5's sequel.

[@Semudara]

@@Evilriku13 True, but it might've been planned at one point. And then there's Malva; I really felt she was being set up to be a major villain in whatever was next, but instead... nothing. No follow-up with Malva whatsoever.

[@chefcito9802]

Now we have Z

[@Lita3O2]

great job on the video. you've got lots of interesting details from going through the game code and old interviews. this depth and effort sets this channel apart from most others that just talk and speculate about games... keep up the good work. poor pokemon Z :( i remember looking forward to it back then.

[@AdeptCharon]

I'm convinced they always meant for Kyurem to tie in with Zekrom and/or Reshiram specifically rather than any other legendaries; not only due to its concept/design being like an ingenious representation of the wuji to go along the yin-yang theme of Zekrom/Reshiram, but specifically the fact that already in its weak initial form, it had a tail resembling a plug, where Zekrom and Reshiram had energy sources in the form of a generator and a torch respectively. That does not contradict the fact that they didn't have a plan yet on how many forms Kyurem would have and how exactly it would obtain them.

[@FreightmareFTW]

Repent and follow Jesus my friend! Repenting doesn't mean confessing your sins to others, but to stop doing them altogether. Belief in Messiah alone is not enough to get you into heaven - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36). Contemplate how the Roman empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13. Revelation 17 confirms that it is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years to accomplish the religion of the Israelites C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate though because you can start a relationship with God and have proof. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life. - Revelation 3:20 Revelation has been unfolding since Jesus died. The Popes have claimed to be equal to God and set themselves in Jesus' place (antichrist(s)). Vatican City (Which is its own nation BTW) have risen up to fulfill the role of the false prophet Regarding the man of lawlessness or antichrist, 2 Thessalonians 2:4 says “Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” The restrainer that the Apostle Paul was referring to in 2 Thessalonians was the Western Roman Emperor, who held back the Popes from taking power. Once the last Western Roman Emperor was removed from power in 476 AD, the Pope was given civil and ecclesiastic authority over Rome; healing the deadly head wound of the beast in Revelation 13, as they took the Emperors title of Pontifex Maximus, leader of the church and state. “We may according to the fullness of our power, dispose of the law and dispense above the law. Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God.” (Source: “Decretals of Gregory IX,” Book 1, chapter 3.) Pope Pius V blasphemed, “The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.” (Source: Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Cities Petrus Bertanous Chapter XXVII: 218.) Pope Leo XIII declared, “We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.” (Source: Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter, June 20, 1894) The antichrist sea beast of Revelation points to the office of the papacy, the Popes of Rome, who controlled the Roman beast for 1,260 years, from 538-1798 AD. Daniel 7:25 says “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.” The Popes of Rome spoke against Elohim and proclaimed to be God. They reigned for 1,260 years, from 538-1798 AD. during which they caused tens of millions of saints to be killed. The Pope’s title is Vicar of Christ, which in Latin is ‘Vicarius Filii Dei’, and equates numerically to the number 666

[@AdeptCharon]

@@FreightmareFTW sorry, but your holy book is full of horrible things (it literally has instructions on how much you can beat your slaves) and presents your god as a jealous abusive genocidal maniac. I'll pass.

[@enoyna1001]

@@FreightmareFTW are you mental?

[@Evanskyethomp]

@@FreightmareFTW 666🙋‍♂️

[@FreightmareFTW]

@@Evanskyethomp what about it

[@Level1Sword]

Game Freak is the definition of minmaxing: Most successful media property in history, but we're only going to throw a few devs on each game. Brilliant.

[@goldmemberpb]

I mean, DS games probably didn't require crazy amount of devs. Same with 3ds. Once they got to HD development, all of a sudden, they had to worry about lighting, physics, antialiasing, big 3d environment, stable fps etc. HD Pokemon games are like putting a tv show on a movie screen. They are meant to be seen on a smaller scale but blown up, you see a lot of issues.

[@kirbydedede2494]

I feel its not GF's fault all the time. There are tidbits of mismanagement in the company, but given the the success of pokemon, the franchise, TCPi pulls every multifaceted string of the series' direction. TPCi expects a new game on a yearly basis starting Gen VI. At first it seems to be a new path with another developer working on BDSP, and GF with PLA. Then suddenly its Gen IX later this year. If the games are bad or rushed, too bad the sales numbers don't lie, and consumers are continuously breathing the anime, manga, trading cards, merchandise and so forth. That's what I observed.

[@psychokinrazalon]

Game Freak wasn’t founded to be a giant company. It was very much a passion venture. On that note, I’d really like to hear what Satoshi Tajiri has to say on topics like this.

[@Ranzord95]

I mean, that's the goal of companies, maximum profit with minimum losses if GF was the sole owner of pokemon and the brand didn't carry a ton of products and businesses other than the games, maybe it could be pretty much the case of indie studios where they can take their time and put passion into it, but they have priorities to attend and passion isn't a main one, profit is

[@psychokinrazalon]

@@Ranzord95 Which helps to explain why Project Gear was a thing.

[@Kedonoro]

WE GOT POKÉMON ZAZA NOW

[@Aspooninthetrunk]

Now I need them to announce Pokémon Gray

[@amberhernandez]

I can't even begin to comprehend how much effort went into gathering and refining all this information. Top job, folks at DYKG!