I was Spiritually Abused

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DeBoltDrumming

DeBoltDrumming

Күн бұрын

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@DeBoltDrumming
@DeBoltDrumming 11 ай бұрын
I made a follow up video that contains the audio recordings I mentioned, as well as much more evidence of wrongdoing. Check it out here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2fPg6eQZs6rf5Isi=lMzc25xIuI1AVpik
@joshuaneal7552
@joshuaneal7552 25 күн бұрын
Romans 9:20 says "You are only human and have no right to question God." Why exactly would you have a problem with a pastor enforcing what God says? Why do people of your faith pick and choose from the New Testament, and pick and choose from the Old Testament, claiming "context!" and "metaphor!" for all the verses you don't like? And why can't you guys ever fully agree on which ones are literal and which ones are not? You can't possibly twist "you have no right" into a metaphor for anything, so why do you disregard this verse? These are all honest questions. I don't understand how Christians' brains work.
@groovetrainmusic8547
@groovetrainmusic8547 Жыл бұрын
I am 42 years old and grew up in a church like this. I stopped going and vowed to never attend a church ever again. I prayed everyday and still loved God and had relationship with him. Long story short, I found a amazing pastor and started going again. The things I went through as a child still affect me today. I can totally feel what you're saying. I love your ministry and your heart. Stay strong brother. Hope to see more videos soon
@douglasandrade9648
@douglasandrade9648 Жыл бұрын
Debolt você foi o único baterista que eu senti que tocava não pela fama ou religiosidade, mas sim para Deus e para edificar aqueles que o ouvem, e sobre a musicalidade foi um dos melhores que já ouvi, desejo que Deus o abençoe e te dê forças para se reconstruir espiritualmente e um dia adorar Ele sendo baterista novamente e postar os vídeos para nós te acompanharmos.
@robison824
@robison824 10 ай бұрын
Ele foi um revolucionista
@crystalccruz
@crystalccruz 6 ай бұрын
Noah, I'm so sorry that you know this pain. I just found your page by Internet scrolling but and am deeply saddened to hear of another victim of spiritual abuse. Praying you find your healing, it's a long and hard road for sure. I just want to commend you for speaking out and I hope you know what a brave and courageous human you are.
@DeBoltDrumming
@DeBoltDrumming 6 ай бұрын
@@crystalccruz I really appreciate that, thanks Crystal.
@swisschuns
@swisschuns Жыл бұрын
Hey Noah, thank you for having the courage to speak out. In one aspect it’s sad to hear the continual depravity of mankind even in the church, but also encouraging because it shows no one is perfect and the need for Jesus is equally so much greater. I was born and raised in Irvine and have witnessed everything you have said. I’ll be praying for you and your wife, and that your ministry continues to bless the Christian drumming community. Much love from Switzerland, Joe
@amandamammana
@amandamammana Жыл бұрын
This is truly heartbreaking! Stay strong my friend! God will honor you for standing up and not being afraid to speak the truth!
@Sid.Sampat
@Sid.Sampat Жыл бұрын
DeBolt drumming has been such a huge inspiration for me. I've seen so many of your Instagram videos, followed your tutorials and drum covers... A pastor/leader in church isn't supposed to put you down, but lift you up. This page has reached so many people because of the passion you have to spread the truth, give love, teach, and inspire musicians around the world. These words were tough to hear, and I can't even imagine the pain you went through to speak up. You've got courage. DeBolt drumming WILL NOT FAIL. Because GOD sees what you're doing. The people you have impacted, we see what you're doing We stand with you! Much love man... ♥
@gabrielmurillo6221
@gabrielmurillo6221 Жыл бұрын
An encouraging word for you Noah, I hope you read this. Ive had the privilege to play a set with you sometime in 2018/2019 at Centerpoint church Murrieta. I was pretty new to bass at the time and I sucked. But playing with you stretched me so much and inspired me to improve on my craft. You gave me an encouraging word and said something along the lines of, "keep investing in yourself and your playing." That meant so much to me, really. I had a few more years of playing and gotten to play on a few projects and gig at various churches in my area. I would also play along to some of your Send Brazil drum cam videos all the time and it was so much fun. I pray the lord would bring healing to you and your wife and that you would feel him close to you. I also pray that you could find your passion again for music and drumming and your ministry. I think the ministry you had was a beautiful thing and it means a lot to have a community of worshipful musicians together. Thank you for blessing not only myself, but all the other musicians as well. Donavan and I are praying for you. ⚡
@alanclauson5761
@alanclauson5761 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing. My family and I are part of a vineyard church in church in Scotland and are also trying to make sense of allegations regarding Mike Pilavachi. I understand it is difficult to speak out but your honesty and openness is appreciated.Mathis feels like such a difficult time for the church as a whole as more and more leaders are being called our for their abuses and it is only the bravery of people like yourself to speak out that let us know. I pray God blesses all that you hope to achieve in the future and look forward to hearing your drumming again in a positive, supportive environment.
@jasonchristofferson9916
@jasonchristofferson9916 Жыл бұрын
Hey Noah, I never comment on videos, but I probably started watching your stuff 6 months ago, and got super inspired by all the drum cam videos and tutorials. It's been a huge blessing, and then I noticed that you haven't posted anything in a year a couple weeks ago. I was actually praying for you and your family last week after watching "This is Amazing Grace but an 8th note ahead" (hilarious btw). The Lord just put you guys on my heart. I help pretty heavily in ministry (and drum) for a church of 50 who probably. We believe in the continuation of the the gifts of the Spirit. But dramatically different that the abuse you've experienced with it. So that's why I'm writing this long comment! Anyway, I'm so sorry for the abuse you've experienced. I was pretty shocked about the "worry about being a Levite in the house of God" thing. But when I read the article about the body types, I was horrified. Honestly, the doctrine I saw from that article was straight up satanic. Complete antichrist, and if that's ever present in a ministry, the WHOLE church needs to be brought to repentance. Prophecy is something that has to be treated with the upmost sober minded and humility. Because if done with pride (which it so often is), and without accountability to the body of Christ and the Word, this is what happens. It should always be subject for interpretation and correction of others in the church. Back to the "worry about being a Levite in the house of God" bit that you spoke of for Jeremy. I LOVE Spirit-led, spontaneous, powerful worship. I believe you and your wife do too. And I enjoy Jeremy Riddle's worship, BUT I do see an obsession with "the glory" that creates such an unreachable bar that is set (and sometimes we set for ourselves). I don't know him, and so I could be completely wrong here, so please correct me if if I am. And Jeremy could also totally not believe this at all, but this is just how I interpret that interaction. So if that's what he said, it needs loving correction. This idea that we need to worship like David did, like the Levites did, to honor God. It sounds really nice when you say it, and is Biblical, but trying to symbolically (and almost literally) put it into practice, we would be so burdened by that Old Testament law that we would be in constant fear and stress to preform and appease God like Israel was. They try to connect the Old Covenant with the New, and try to force the practice that in reality, is NOT how the Levites worshiped and served. They served from a position of works to appease God. Hebrews 9 talks about how that Old Covenant was not enough, and that this New Covenant with Jesus is what we are living in now. We are suppose to come BOLDY to the throne for His grace. We Christians should desire to actively walk in holiness, to be abandoned in worship, and to seek the presence of God in worship. But if the cost is benching people because they aren't "abandoned enough," and ostracizing those who may be learning to walk out their faith, then we are walking in pride. Trying to create a "atmosphere" that is built on works, when originally we want it to be built on the Spirit. And side note, I'm saying this from experience. I want to SO BADLY serve and help set the stage for people to feel engaged in worship. I just want to do my part in making a space for the Holy Spirit to move. But that's also the problem. It's not by what I do! Even if I do everything I can. Pray, fast, repent, speak in tongues, or whatever. It's by HIS power, not by mine. And when we set the requirement for our volunteers to be "you need to worry about being a Levite" it puts all the responsibility on us. When in reality, it's by what Jesus did on the cross, not about what I can do. This was spiritual abuse, and leadership needs to be humble and repent. It's not condemnation on anyone, but there is a massive pruning that needs to take place. Anyway back to you Noah. You're an inspiration, and you have a market cornered in the worship drumming space that is so valuable to so many. Your style is incredible. Your ability to teach IS a gift of the Spirit. And for someone to tell you that it's not from God you gotta say "get behind me!" Again, I'm so sorry this happened to you and your family. Your heart is clearly for Jesus, and though your ground has been rocked, your faith is still openly present. I pray that you are able to get plugged back into a church that can walk with you while you heal. And fan the flame of your gifts instead of quenching it. And for those watching. Character always above gift. Drumming is Noah's gift, but being right mentally and spiritually is way more important. Unfortunately, worship volunteering can quickly become a thing where the talent and gift is valued way above the well being of the person. Take same time to heal, but know that the work that God started for you, He is faithful to complete it. Your an inspiration bro, keep going!
@lynnekirkup984
@lynnekirkup984 Жыл бұрын
❤❤❤
@loganmcculloch7483
@loganmcculloch7483 Жыл бұрын
Noah, you and your wife are so loved and I am so sorry to hear this. I’ve been following you for a few years now and also got to know Debrianna when we did the 18 inch journey together-I’ve been inspired by both of you and pray the Lord will continue to heal and comfort you as you share your story. Appreciate your courage to speak out and share, especially given the platform it’s likely to extend to. Pray you feel encouraged today seeing how many people your ministry has impacted and blessed.
@andyw5150
@andyw5150 Жыл бұрын
My heart breaks for you, man. I'm so sorry you guys were hurt by others in the name of God.
@andresricardorodriguez7584
@andresricardorodriguez7584 Жыл бұрын
hahhahah dramatic hypersensitive, and weak stupid Christians... That's why I stopped being a Christian for people as dramatic and crying and hypersensitive and emotionally weak
@gabriellelovesJesus
@gabriellelovesJesus Жыл бұрын
i love that you never lost sight of the Lord through all of this💛 You are in my thoughts and prayers Mr. & Mrs.DeBolt
@blakeboren2929
@blakeboren2929 Жыл бұрын
Noah! A good friend of mine mentioned your story at work today and I saw you and your math hat and immediately remembered meeting you at Canopy in Costa Mesa. I remember talking to you just before you left for a job for your wife. I had no idea this was all going on behind the scenes just before you were at Canopy (maybe even during). I can't even begin to imagine how damaging this was and still is for the two of you. Solid message, honesty, and props for directly calling things out for what they are. My wife and I will 100% be praying for you guys and honestly if you'd hit me with your venmo link I'd love to support the therapy fund the little I can as I hope you are getting the support you need in what I can only imagine to be a really discombobulating and hard time. Either way wish you all the best.
@DeBoltDrumming
@DeBoltDrumming Жыл бұрын
Good to hear from you man, I hope you’re well. We were feeling the pain silently and unaware of what had actually transpired while we were there. It’s crazy looking back.
@Dogestronaut2.0
@Dogestronaut2.0 Жыл бұрын
@@DeBoltDrumming ““Come to me, all of you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, because I am lowly and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11‬:‭28‬-‭29‬ What your going through doesn’t reflect the character of Jesus❤
@Matthew-R
@Matthew-R Жыл бұрын
man - i’m so sickened and sad to hear this, i couldnt believe what i was hearing i’ll be praying for you guys ❤
@samf.8645
@samf.8645 Жыл бұрын
i believe it 100%
@diondavis1026
@diondavis1026 Жыл бұрын
Whew. I went through the same thing with the same ppl. Glad you got out.
@tituspaul4844
@tituspaul4844 Жыл бұрын
I’m sorry but do you mind explaining what happened to you?
@austinc2997
@austinc2997 Жыл бұрын
Bro, it's a bit different. The Bible is pretty clear on homosexuality.
@diondavis1026
@diondavis1026 Жыл бұрын
@@austinc2997 You don’t know my story and you do not know the bible as much as you think you do. Educate yourself. Independent of my sexuality, these people are still abusers. To be perfectly clear someone’s sexual orientation is not justification for abuse.
@austinc2997
@austinc2997 Жыл бұрын
@@diondavis1026 Hey I get it, the Bible is offensive, but I don't need your story to understand The Truth. Scripture is pretty clear on homosexuality, and you can't gaslight the Riddles for giving you The Truth on the matter. With all that said, I love your voice. I hope one day to hear you singing worship music again. You're very talented.
@diondavis1026
@diondavis1026 Жыл бұрын
@@austinc2997 You completely missed the point. You’re so focused on my sexuality-which had nothing to do with their abusive behavior towards me that you’re siding with abusers. Also, you don’t know what gaslight means 😂
@michellesanchez9
@michellesanchez9 18 күн бұрын
My heart hurts for you and at the same time I can't help but feel validated and spoken for after your video. I was also spiritual abused at a church years ago, and God saved me despite of the abuse and I met him at that specific building but however it also left me scars, even though I still love Jesus and it was not his fault for others actions. My church culture was the exact culture you had explained in this video. I had many years of therapy, and weeping. Everytime I hear someone elses testimony I still feel the pain fresh, and hurt for others including yourself. I feel that God still has much more healing for me in this video and I am so sorry for what you went through. As a sister in Christ i want you to know that I understand and your not alone ! The more I come across videos like yours, it reallt softens my heart where I felt like I was the only one who went through this. Thank you for sharing. 🙏 also please dont allow this experience to keep your heart closed to God the one who has been truly misrepresented, and who loves you more than anything and I am sure hurts over what has happened !
@DeBoltDrumming
@DeBoltDrumming 18 күн бұрын
@@michellesanchez9 Thank you so much for sharing, I believe you. I’m so sorry for what you’ve been through and I’m glad you’re out 🙏
@MHEPPNER
@MHEPPNER Жыл бұрын
The heavy handedness of that "CULTure of honor" is wild. I spent a year at BSSM leading worship and because I questioned some folks who claimed to be my "Spirital Fathers and Mothers" before any relationship was built, I was asked to give up my position as a worship leader. I love Bethel still, I have really amazing friends who are still plugged in 12 years later. I just know leaders are messy and the spiritual abuse can run unchecked VERY EASY in that type of culture. There are many false prophets, false teachers and unequiped spiritual leaders who are in desperate need of accountability. Keep your head up bro. Reach out if you ever need someone to chat with who has similar experiences with similar circles of people. God first above it all. Don't back away from the truth that Worship is a weapon and the platform that God has blessed you with. Fight against bitterness and find rest.
@samueladams1961
@samueladams1961 Жыл бұрын
Your play style and takes on songs have both influenced my drumming and influenced the environments I have played in over the last several years, so I thank you for it! In retrospect, the journey between your "things are changing" video to now is a clear example of what something of this severity can and shouldn't do to anyone. It's that kind of selfish influence that drives people away from the church and tarnishes the reputation of we believe is God's good intention for community. Praying the Lord will continue to mend both you and your wife in compassion and use y'all as a beacon for others experiencing similar injustices.
@NathanJFotiMusic
@NathanJFotiMusic Жыл бұрын
My Wife and I went through this same thing. I was a Worship Pastor, and because I brought the lost direction and lack of Biblical guidance and lack of Discipleship, and being extremely burnt out. And there is a lot more. I even sold all my music gear ($15,000 worth). Didn’t touch music for a year. But I have learned more from those who wronged me than my best friends. Stay strong in the lord.
@BlessedStuff
@BlessedStuff 6 ай бұрын
Spiritual abuse is a movement of its own that is much needed to be exposed 😢
@dustinblatnik
@dustinblatnik Жыл бұрын
Thank you for having the courage to speak about this. Your testimony will help many others. I hope that it also helps you to continue processing and healing from that season. May God bless you and your wife and give you peace and comfort thru all of this. You are not alone. You are loved. We are here for you.
@preston-blake
@preston-blake Жыл бұрын
Spiritual abuse is far to common in the church. Thank you for the courage to speak out against these Godless forces. May God continue to bless you and your wife. ✝️
@Riversoflivingwater82
@Riversoflivingwater82 Жыл бұрын
Keep walking with Jesus. He's the only One we will give account to. 🙏❤👑
@orionfernando3938
@orionfernando3938 9 ай бұрын
Hello brother, peace and grace. My name is Fernando, I'm Brazilian and I'd really like to meet you, because I say that, I'm in a moment like yours, but when I looked for the best worship drummers to improve my performance, you were in first place, and I found my faith revived again and when you ministered "agnus dei" I felt the presence of GOD in your drumsticks... thank you for being GOD's instrument in my life... GOD is with you.
@lukasxy6470
@lukasxy6470 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for Sharing your Story. I wish you all streignth and blessing you need for overcoming the pain you've suffered.
@macintoshimann9892
@macintoshimann9892 Жыл бұрын
This story is very sad. I’m glad you’ve started the healing journey, brother it’s hard but you’ll be whole again. Telling the world was actually a really good idea for your own well-being, glad you put this out there. Keep your chin up, guy. Things can only get better from here 👍
@finemLudum
@finemLudum Жыл бұрын
I am so sorry Noah Thank you so much for keeping us updated. I was so worried about you.
@TitanMatt
@TitanMatt Жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear. This is far too common today. I have similar experiences and it is very hard to commit to a church after this kind of trauma
@alexmaiamaia6358
@alexmaiamaia6358 Жыл бұрын
Que triste amigo, lamentável isso ter chegado a esse ponto. 😢...fui no The Send , evento realizado aqui no Brasil e curti bastante vc tocando bateria, tocou com bastante entusiasmo e com ótima performance. Espero que se recupere dessa situação. Saiba que Jesus está com vc o tempo todo, todos nós precisamos de Cristo, inclusive esses líderes. Diante Dele todos são pequenos!
@josephinelb5735
@josephinelb5735 Жыл бұрын
Again, compassion for the situation. From what I could tell a lot of people have experienced certain issues within the body of Christ. You have choices on how you respond and I really believe that this is not one of them. It really does sound a little bit like a Revenge message to Jeremy personally at one point. I really have to encourage you as a body of Christ that we need to allow God to bring this full circle. And we need to lay down offense. This is the one weapon the enemy uses to separate the power of Satan is dividing the body of Christ. I'm sad to hear so many people not speak up on this but we all experience woundedness from others that we have trusted and loved in churches. But the Lord is looking for those who will humble themselves forgive and let God be God in the situation. Of course we know God is not surprised about this. But we as individuals have a responsibility to have our hearts right and clean before God. You're very young and you have a lot of other stuff in your walk with the Lord that will come these are Stepping Stones to those and if you position Your Heart Right. And allow the Lord to do what he needs to do and you don't step in front of him. This is an exhortation from an Ex V. Leader. You'll love what God does to you and your heart and what he does in the circumstances and how he uses it in the years in the future as you encounter other leaders leadership and pastors who they themselves have not been fully healed. The lord loves us in our weakness. But his heart is for us to mature. Don't pick up a stone. Lovingly from a sister in the Lord
@kim9057
@kim9057 7 ай бұрын
You are a survivor. We must speak of it we just must . Thank you for speaking out. I am survivor too. Lotalty doctrine Prosperity doctrine Misogonism - watch for it . These are the characteristics .
@boast1570
@boast1570 Жыл бұрын
Genuinely love you man. I bought Jeremy's book "The Reset" for my team to read together. I couldn't get through the first few pages and I think I now know why. Going to share this with my team. We see this all too often. Leaders are beholden to God and his word alone. You did the right thing and I know you're in God's hands for what comes next. Thanks for speaking out.
@santhoshjacob4471
@santhoshjacob4471 Жыл бұрын
Praying for you. It’s a painful journey. Thank you for speaking the truth. I believe you. Thank you for your boldness. And I am praying for you and your wife in your healing journey.
@leocechet
@leocechet Жыл бұрын
I went through that in my teen years. It changed me deeply. Still dealing with the scars. I'm 34 now. God bless, man.
@brad8710
@brad8710 Жыл бұрын
Me too I’m in my 30’s now and it stole over a decade of my life 😞
@Mdavid_
@Mdavid_ 10 ай бұрын
I’m 36 and still dealing with what I went though at 18.
@RlRdHd
@RlRdHd 9 ай бұрын
Almost 50, I yearn to be part of a church family, but still have such massive reservations ...
@leocechet
@leocechet 9 ай бұрын
@@RlRdHd brother, go back. Jesus is still the same and people are people. Full of sins. Satan uses people to try to set us apart from God.
@wellingtondamada750
@wellingtondamada750 Жыл бұрын
May God bless you and your family, my brother. May your ministry be restored and flourish once again.
@christahewitt2758
@christahewitt2758 Жыл бұрын
I read the article,goodness that is an epic story of abusive behavior. Very toxic and harmful, I’m glad you made it out.
@joseph23288
@joseph23288 Жыл бұрын
Bro we’ll said 🔥 This is rarely ever talked about thank you for your honesty 🙌🏽
@LaminarSound
@LaminarSound Жыл бұрын
Cant say this surprises me. When someone claims God has appointed THEM as prophet and nobody can question them, it's the ultimate narcissism. Run. Every man is open to scrutiny. Every pastor. Every person in leadership roles.
@Iknowjose
@Iknowjose Жыл бұрын
Glad you are speaking up man, so happy you are back. Blessings to you.
@stephenspillers9993
@stephenspillers9993 Жыл бұрын
Dude, so sorry this happened to you. Never give up keep getting the help you need and I believe you will fully recover and everything will somehow workout for the good.
@agustingonzalez3904
@agustingonzalez3904 Жыл бұрын
Me pone re triste esta situación , aprendí y empecé a tocar la batería en la iglesia gracias a tus videos. se que vas a poder superar esta situación , hoy duele pero va pasar todo , Dios usa lo malo para hacer algo increíble en tu corazón , fuerza amigo 💪🏾
@asUalreadyKnow
@asUalreadyKnow Жыл бұрын
I feel like I’m a better worship drummer because of you and your videos. I’m so sorry that happened to you! Prayers for you and your family! Thank you for sharing. God bless!
@erikdmckenzie
@erikdmckenzie Жыл бұрын
This is heartbreaking and I'm so sorry to hear you've been hurt by the church in this way. When the church is centred around the lead pastor so much questions from anyone are prohibited that's a major red flag for me. No one is above reproach and should be held accountable and open to feedback. I'm praying for restoration in your lives and that you do not give up on God!
@Cheryl_A222
@Cheryl_A222 Жыл бұрын
The churches have been infiltrated and having discernment is so important. I don’t listen to the songs or music by Jeremy Riddle or any worship leader from …Bethel, Hillsong, Jesus Culture, Jesus Image, etc., etc. Your experience doesn’t surprise me. I am a fan of yours. Last year God called me to learn and play the drums after one testimony after another. After two months I started playing at my church as the drummer. The leaders spiritually tore me down and took a lot from me. After months of abuse I left the church and quit playing the drums. I’m still learning to play but I’m doing it at home on my own timing and I’ll wait for Gods will and His timing if that’s what He has planned. They took a piece of my heart and I know how you feel. I was a totally different person than what I was so, I understand you . Spiritual discernment is so important now in these last days. I loved learning from you and watching your uploads from when you were playing drums. You’re a brilliant drummer and an inspiration to so many of us. I pray you’ll reunite with your drums. I will pray for you and your wife’s healing. Most importantly I pray you and your wife will be whole again, physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually. God bless you and thank you for sharing what a terrible experience you went through. You have helped me and so many people by doing so.
@lovetruth9720
@lovetruth9720 3 ай бұрын
O buddy 💔💔💔o my gosh. This breaks my heart. I know what it's like to be manipulated by these people..i live on the west coast so when I followed them i had to do so via the internet..i was under their influence from 2011 till about 2019 - I would follow them through KZbin worship songs, classes from worshipu, and from Bill Johnson messages. I followed them because I wanted to learn how to be a better worship leader, but I was negatively affected by them so badly. I have no idea what it's like to be abused by them in person though and so my heart and prayers will be going out to you and your wife. Thank u so much for sharing this🙏🏼I've been praying for the Lord to expose the dysfunction of Bethel and the like since 2019, and so your testimony is helping, I'm praying, to set the world free from their addiction to these worship ministries and from these churches....I think they're doing much more harm than good. But your video is gonna help people. Thank u.
@darbybluish
@darbybluish Жыл бұрын
i am korean I also listened to Bethel Church or Hillsong music and prayed while listening to those songs. And I know they are possessed by other spirits. also Korean Christian music-oriented worship is attracting young people. The colorful lights and music make us fall into the illusion that we believe in Jesus and worship God. It was, after all, an act of praising myself. Leaders have a physically attractive appearance, and the melody of music and emotional lyrics also steal people's emotions. The purpose of a Christian is to follow Jesus, not a person. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. And Jesus leads us to the cross.
@moniqueberrian5880
@moniqueberrian5880 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing your story. I will be praying for you and your family 🙏🏾
@TheThinker43
@TheThinker43 Жыл бұрын
Proud of you for speaking up.. this stuff runs rampant in these circles.
@salo6564
@salo6564 Жыл бұрын
Good on you bro, my wife and I were spiritually abused at a church in LA where we pastored and loved on people, everyone turned their backs on us when we started asking questions too. Not out of malice, out of care for them and the people we were pastoring. We got pushed out. Best thing that ever happened to us. One word of advice. You mentioned thanking them for what they did, part of the healing process is recognizing that you had some good times with them, and they did pour into you in many ways, give honor where it’s due and leave the rest behind. I don’t regret my time in LA for a minute. Some of the best years of my life. And some of the worst haha❤
@lindag9975
@lindag9975 Жыл бұрын
So very sorry. I have been through this in smaller ways in 2 different Vineyard churches that were kicked out of the Vineyard movement, but only after years of people unsuccessfully trying to get some response from the "up the line" leaders. You can recover from this. Stay close to Jesus, and find a loving church. God is there for you and everyone else who is suffering.
@hunterhedrick6485
@hunterhedrick6485 Жыл бұрын
I’m so sorry man… I have also been a victim of spiritual abuse. It is extremely damaging and traumatic. You question everything about your faith and reality. People really don’t realize how difficult it is until you’ve been through it. Keep your head up though. Jesus is always good despite it all.
@taylorkingg
@taylorkingg Жыл бұрын
Man. I'm so sorry to hear this. I've been thinking about this video for the past week and it breaks my heart. I've been praying for you and your wife and praying that the Lord would reveal himself to you in such a real and fresh way to the both of you during this time. Don't stop chasing after Jesus, He is always good. Even when our leaders are not. Love you brother 🫶🏼
@christianbayona8978
@christianbayona8978 Жыл бұрын
Hey! Thank you for sharing. I was spiritually abused a year ago as well. I’m sorry that happened. It sucks, but I’m glad you are out of that toxic environment. Also glad I’m not alone in healing from that darkness. May god guide us and bring us closer to him.
@insertnamehere8681
@insertnamehere8681 Жыл бұрын
Praying for you man. I'm only 17 but you've been a huge part my childhood and I wouldn't have come so far without the videos you posted. Man will always fail but God never will. Be strong and stay close to God. Even when you don't feel it He's working. Love you man⚡️❤️. Hoping for a quick and full recovery in your life and the peace and joy that God has fills you🙏🙏🙏. We are all here for you and love you!!!
@paulinemiller5084
@paulinemiller5084 9 ай бұрын
You have wisdom for only being 17! "Be strong and stay close to God." I pray those words never leave you because God never will. You give me hope in your generation, praise God!
@PelsonBreak
@PelsonBreak Жыл бұрын
Dude, so sorry for you! This is horrible when those "more spiritual" human beings uses their power and authority to descriminate you and makes you feel low and not good enough. I had to face the same thing in my church bro. My ex-pastor is such a abusive person but nobody in the church can speak to him or have impact on him. I was sevre to whole church in worship, preaching, all other events like baptisms, funerals, etc. and after 5 years I reached out to speak with him in private conversation where I communicate to him that I'm not fine with situation in the church etc. To make it short - he summary my whole crying from broken heart with words "slave do not ask. Slave do the job." That's it. What the ... is this bullshit man. And I felt guilty in the first moment but then I realised how sick is this place. I was destroyed psychicaly, mentaly, my faith ruined, my marriage is finished (I was married to his dauther). Man, those situations are serious, horrible things. I hope God will revange to those people all hurst they caused to us.
@marypauline2927
@marypauline2927 Жыл бұрын
I am so sorry to hear that...i am Jordan. I started drumming since i was five and started plaaying drums at church when i was 7 and half. Now i am sixteen years old..and all that time..man you have been a great inspiration. Whenever i had to play something on sunday i always used watch your cover..and try to imitate it..your fills and techniques i liked so much though i couldnt play as good as you..man you were just a block of inspiration man... So sorry to hear all of this...its sad how people in power and specifically in church do this...but i would like to tell you one thing LET GOD BE THE JUDGE. the word of God says that its Lord who exalts and pulls down leaders...Keep up your spirit man...please return worship drumming..dont leave...just know that Jesus is never like this...He loves the way you are...its just horrible how God used and interpreted in a wrong way. GOD BLESS YOU. JESUS ALWAYS AND WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU❤ LOVE FROM INDIA 🇮🇳
@aidenfowler2245
@aidenfowler2245 Жыл бұрын
Always got your back with prayer and support. Peace and love over you and your family.
@DeBoltDrumming
@DeBoltDrumming Жыл бұрын
I forgot to mention that I've lost any passion I had to play the drums. I thought you should know that before everyone expects me back behind the kit. Again, please read this article: julieroys.com/exclusive-former-vineyard-staff-accuse-alan-scott-of-abuse-manipulation-lies/
@coral866
@coral866 Жыл бұрын
Me está pasando casi lo mismo y se como se siente, pero hay que seguir adelante con la ayuda de Dios que Dios te bendiga
@hibraimealexandre946
@hibraimealexandre946 Жыл бұрын
I knew something was going on when you suddenly disappeared, I am sad for you and your family specially because you lost passion for drums ,but I will pray for you guys in the name of Jesus Christ you will be back you just need healing and it is a process.
@TitanMatt
@TitanMatt Жыл бұрын
The passion to start drumming has just started returning for me after experiencing this kind of trauma back in 2013. It goes deep. Trust is hard to give, good friends are hard to come by after all you knew were church friends. It can really set you back. I would just like to say that your past live drumming videos have really helped in getting me back to my passion of playing. I really don't think there is anything you can do to force the passion to return, but i pray you find the point where you can be happy and move forward.
@reymonmatin-ao9799
@reymonmatin-ao9799 Жыл бұрын
So sad. I'm really curious of whats happening to you bro? I always thinking where is debolt right now? why he's gone? i always look at you bro,waiting for your upload videos. So thankful that your back! We're here to support you and accept you no matter what🤝. I Prayed that God will heal you for that situation,we dont know why it happens but God will reveal you everything through prayer and meditiation. Godbless you brother💪Keep on drumming🔥Debolt drumming will grow.
@IrisOliveira-gs9nn
@IrisOliveira-gs9nn Жыл бұрын
😢
@saywhenofficial
@saywhenofficial Жыл бұрын
Hits so close to home. Shits awful. Heartbreaking truly.
@GOLDSMITHEXILE
@GOLDSMITHEXILE Жыл бұрын
Listen bro, I am 63 and was pushed out of music ministry many times due to envy/rivalry/chutch politics etc, and 15 years ago I simply stopped playing drums in church altogether. But recently my pastor (a humble powerfully wise bro) asked me to play again, and I agreed. SO I am getting to grips with the ableton tracks/click thing and am LOVING it, in fact I'm just as revitalised and even more enthusiastic than I was when I first started playing in 1980. The Lord has a way of "repaying for the years the locusts have eaten" Who knows you could end up in prison (in a worship revival team)
@loricole1299
@loricole1299 Жыл бұрын
Sorry that happen to you brother. I pray you will find your way back to be the "Little Drummer boy" that God Intended you to be. When my son was 5 years old a nice young Christian man taught him the drums, and he LOVED it, my son is 27 years old and started his own band when he was 14 and they are still playing and making music- all because this young man took the time to teach my son the drums; I hope this inspires you to pick up your sticks again, clearly you have a gift to give
@natethurber889
@natethurber889 Жыл бұрын
Praying for you and your family brother. My family and I just went through the same thing last August. Don’t stop forgiving, don’t stop healing. Love you man
@Isaiahdoesdeliverance
@Isaiahdoesdeliverance 8 ай бұрын
You’re speaking for my recent situation. I was in a cult like church for years, and you’ve described it perfectly. Praise God for your freedom!
@crystalccruz
@crystalccruz 6 ай бұрын
So relate to what you said "in our process of leaving, we were thanking them for all of the stuff that they did to us" I remember calling my pastor the day after our meeting that literally turned my life upside down, and apologized. I APOLOGIZED and said sorry if he thought I was being disrespectful. This goes to show that before you escape, you are deeply rooted in systems of abuse and you don't even know if yet. It takes leaving fir you to realize just how twisted it is.
@DeBoltDrumming
@DeBoltDrumming 6 ай бұрын
@@crystalccruz Yup you get it. Thanks for sharing, I’m so sorry you’ve experienced that too 😖
@crystalccruz
@crystalccruz 6 ай бұрын
@@DeBoltDrumming defnitely have experienced it as well, sounds like our stories share some similarities. Are you open to brief back and forth maybe through email? I have a logistics question regarding you coming forward with this. Would completely understand if it's not something you're open to!
@DeBoltDrumming
@DeBoltDrumming 6 ай бұрын
@@crystalccruz Absolutely, shoot me an email: noah@deboltdrumming.com
@taktoktek
@taktoktek Жыл бұрын
I understand you. It’s very difficult because people tend to believe in the abusive “leader” rather than the victimized. Bigger voices person earn voice regardless. Smaller voiced ones are dismissed easily. We should not ignore this. So sorry. We see you and understand you.
@brunomerces1801
@brunomerces1801 Жыл бұрын
Irmão, sei o quanto isso é triste. Ainda mais quando envolve o evangelho de Cristo. Estamos com você, que Deus te abençoe e derrame forças sobre você e sua esposa. Um abraço de um grande admirador seu aqui no Brasil. 🇧🇷
@SeanYoko
@SeanYoko Жыл бұрын
Noah, first off, I want you to know you’ve inspired me and your videos helped and encouraged me as a drummer. I am so grateful for what you have done. I am so sorry that you have lost all desire to get behind a kit. I am also deeply saddened to hear this story. I am praying for you, and stand behind you in solidarity. I hope you and your wife can find healing from this.
@henryjunior9739
@henryjunior9739 Жыл бұрын
The saddest part about what happened is that the enemy was able to do what he promised he would. He came to steal, kill and destroy. It's clear that there was/is a lot of hurt and offense. It's very sad that the enemy was able to create a divide between leaders in the kingdom of God here on earth. The enemy hates worship, that's probably why he targeted people like you .. I am actually looking forward to hearing Jeremy's side of the story as well.. I admire both of you guys and am actually very upset that something like this has happened.
@falilvthings2008
@falilvthings2008 Жыл бұрын
What about the hook ups happening in Christian Youth Camp? Who is to blame? Pastoral leaders or this thing you called 'enemy'. People like you likes to divinized things huh instead of seeing what is actually happening in between the parties involved. I bet with A.I. screen projector yall with Jesus speaking be crying your hearts out of His Greatness haha or it is the Devil's work that church don't wanna be transparent with their financial assets.
@deliciouscolours
@deliciouscolours Жыл бұрын
I would like to hear Jeremy's side too, misunderstandings can happen. People are just people, famous or not and they can have flaws and make mistakes.
@mollynoneofurbuisness3099
@mollynoneofurbuisness3099 Жыл бұрын
I’m so sorry for everything you and your wife have been through. 💔
@wisdomforwellness5509
@wisdomforwellness5509 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for being brave and sharing your story. Spiritual abuse is such a serious problem in the church.
@andrearush6209
@andrearush6209 9 ай бұрын
I have a two year story very similar to yours. It took quite some time and much learning to unscrew what was so messed up about it. The confusion and then shame that were part of it turned for a time to disbelief that I could be so gullible. I've come to understand this was part of it as well. I've gained a whole skill set of navigation about it all. In my story, it is a very large megachurch with a smaller church in a vulnerable community in the city. I've spoken out to warn others but honestly it's such a wild story, unless you know people just don't get it. I'm way better than I was for a long time but it took quite a a bit of work to get there. I commend you for speaking up and sharing your story. May the Lord leverage it for the benefit of others.
@andrearush6209
@andrearush6209 9 ай бұрын
One more thought - watching the creation of "culture" for branding and image purposes by using the Word of God in manipulative ways was definitely the worst. These people have the deception dialed in. It was so gross to see earnest people fall for the deception knowing I was once one of those people. God knows. That's where I've come to. He knows, he will direct and work in it on His plan. I'm open to whatever that looks like but it has to be Him. I believe He calls us to speak up about the mishandling. I also had to lay down the desire to make it right myself. That can be complex but He has been present in that nuance. All the best to you I'm your healing.
@compuconsolas4700
@compuconsolas4700 Жыл бұрын
Hi, I'm a subscriber, because I really like your videos (they inspired me), but thanks for having the strength to speak about it in public, that happens in many churches, large and small.
@sarahecker1584
@sarahecker1584 Жыл бұрын
Your story is so similar to what my husband and I experienced at our old church. I can't even listen to worship music anymore because it literally spirals me into depression. Thank you for sharing. That is so brave. I wish you and your wife healing and wholeness.
@paramedicchrisbookseries
@paramedicchrisbookseries 9 ай бұрын
Praying for you. I was forced out of Baptist ministry when my Dad died, definitely spiritual abuse took place to myself and family. Fortunately re building our lives and i am concentrating on my books. Praying for you.
@boalston2484
@boalston2484 Жыл бұрын
Man, Im really sorry to hear that! I have gone through similar situations with two churches now that I have loved so deeply so I know some of the stresses and feelings and shame that comes from that, heck I'm STILL dealing with some of it. Even still, I can only imagine what you guys must be going through. I have always enjoyed your content, and I'm not even a drummer (LOL!). I just enjoy watching you worship and I try to learn as much as I can. Its inspiring watching you go. I personally love your heart to love people as thats why I'm here, that is, loving the Lord. Because someone took one second of their time almost 10 years ago to talk to me and love on me and that changed my life forever. Ever since then I've made it my goal to love people like that as well so man I feel for you. My heart breaks truly Please dont stop loving people. The world, and even the Christian faith, needs people like you and your wife. Idk man maybe this wont mean anything, especially from a stranger who only knows 2.5% of yalls story so take it for a grain of salt. The Lord brought me to this realization a couple years ago that he hadn't been calling me to play guitar but instead he was calling me to love and encourage people. He was just using my guitar as one of my avenues to do that. Thats not to say you wont get to do what you love again when you're ready (or even when you love it again). The main thing I'm trying to say is that the Lord has called you to something and he's still got plans, good plans, for you and your wife. Stay faithful and he will lead you through this. He will finish the healing that has already begun if you continue let him. It wont be easy at times but he's got you guys. Idk maybe all that doesn't mean anything to you man but I'll be praying for you guys!
@chriswelvaert3246
@chriswelvaert3246 Жыл бұрын
Ugh! I’m so sorry to hear this Noah. My heart aches for you and your wife. This spiritual abuse just simply does not reflect the character of Jesus. I pray that as you walk through this, that you’ll feel Jesus near, that you’ll experience healing and restoration. I believe Jesus loves you unconditionally and accepts you just the way you are. I love your desire to want to help people, and believe it or not, you’re helping people even as you walk through this valley. Thank you for your boldness in sharing your story. And please…keep asking questions. Jesus is not afraid of questions. :) If you need to talk to a complete stranger who also loves Jesus and drums, give me a call. 🙂
@DustinBusa914
@DustinBusa914 Жыл бұрын
Noah, I am so sorry to hear this. I am both surprised and not surprised, regardless of whatever “culture” someone is trying to create, spiritual abuse is never okay. I am very sorry that it was so bad to the point that you’ve lost your passion for your gift. Sincerely, you have inspired me in my own. I pray that you are fixing your eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of our faith. He is still good. Love you, bro. Hope to hear from you in some way, whether it’s through drumming or just vlogs or something like that.
@GarthNGuitars
@GarthNGuitars Жыл бұрын
Noah, I’m so sorry this has happened to you. The fact that they didn’t want you around because you love loving people is an unimaginable thought to me. Your loving personality is what brought me to SJA 10 years ago when you invited me. Your passion for what you do is what inspired me to audition for worship at SJA as well as play there and for the last church I played at. I have no doubt you’ll find a church that will love and accept you for what you bring to the table. I hope everything. Turns out for the better! Best of luck brother, Jason
@kathrynjoseph3331
@kathrynjoseph3331 Жыл бұрын
Good for you finding your voice. It’s not easy to stand against this. Spiritual abuse needs to be talked about more. I’m praying for your family. If you haven’t read it yet, the book, subtle power of spiritual abuse is really helpful to read in these situations
@CptTibbles
@CptTibbles Жыл бұрын
Here for you, bro. You inspire me as a fellow drummer, and I wish I had your gifts. I understand and have experienced spiritual abuse as well, so I know how much it can lower you spiritually. Praying for you Noah, hoping God leads you to Him in His steadfast love and grace and brings people who can show you that to help you heal.
@Samw1seGamegee
@Samw1seGamegee Жыл бұрын
I’m so sorry you went through this, bro. May the Lord bring healing and peace for you and your wife.
@notforyoutube
@notforyoutube Жыл бұрын
I went through something similar at a local church and had lost the passion to touch any instrument and was numb for 6 months straight. I think the church needs a re-awakening and I would to see musicians and past church employees come forward and be as brave as Noah. This could be the kind of awakening many churches need. I know you will be back behind the kit someday. It may not be today but I know God has a plan for you Noah. I’m back in church with some good people. Sending you many blessings and positive vibes.
@jmazarie82
@jmazarie82 5 ай бұрын
sorry to hear that my brother. i know what that is like. we had the same problem and we had to leave our ministry of many years because "we didnt follow the rules" "we dont think like them" "how dare we question them". we are not there to serve leaders. but out Father in heaven. what we did was, we walked away. knowing God would use us somewhere else. people need to understand that they can just walk away. and i hope that you can as well my brother. ask God for guidance.
@robenitez7466
@robenitez7466 Жыл бұрын
A fellow drummer here. Maaaan I feel you, honestly. My wife and I had a similar experience here in London. I’m sharing this video to her because what you expressed is basically how we felt back in the days. Man, we spent like full 2 years outside any form of church, but we never lost that fear for the Lord. I can tell you that now we’re in a better place, emotionally, spiritually and with a loving community. My prayers are with you, your wife and all the people hurt by this kind of abuse. Keep strong my brother
@igorg7101
@igorg7101 Жыл бұрын
Você que está lendo esse comentário, ore por esse rapaz!
@foryahsoul
@foryahsoul Жыл бұрын
Praying for you brother, truly your channel has blessed me immensely in my drumming journey…believe for the Lord to restore and bring healing to ya amigo
@dmilanosounds
@dmilanosounds Жыл бұрын
Hey, man. First of all i'm so sorry for what you've gone through. I've already suffered this in seferal churches i've past as well. Second i would like to encourage you to not quit or diconnect yourself from drums or church. When you play and worship God you're pouring something spiritual over people and sharing the annointing of God over your life. This is precious and that's why the enemy is using this situation to put you down. I recomend you to find a christian and good therapist to help with the emotional abuse and try to find a small church with discipleship and home groups...something simple but real where you can connect with people of God and not be alone. And keep drumming, maybe not in church for now but at your house. Make it simple, just you and God. Don't stop praising the Lord with your life and skills. He loves you and He loves what He have given you. We love you as well and you've been a blessing to so many people. Take your time, let God heal your hearts and encourage you one more time.
@danielcapovilla
@danielcapovilla Жыл бұрын
I had an abusive release too, and after everything that happened, I no longer wanted to serve in the Church, thanks to God and sensible leaders I managed to overcome all that!
@FletcherWilsonMusic
@FletcherWilsonMusic Жыл бұрын
Stay strong brother! Excited to see how God uses this trial in your testimony.
@kevinthomas728
@kevinthomas728 Жыл бұрын
Bro, if your passion is to be a light to us, you’ve done great. Please take your time to heal. Thank you brodie!
@berthasummerall-kv7ix
@berthasummerall-kv7ix 2 ай бұрын
2024 I hope that by now you and your wife are doing well. I always watch your drumming and I love it, especially Waymaker. I went through spiritual abuse and was pushed out to sort of like the exact same thing you all went through. But I thought about this while watching your video, maybe God has something bigger for you than there. Because you seem to love and care for people. The Bible tells us in 2 Timothy 2:4 that no one engaged in warfare entangles himself with the affairs of this life, that he may please him who enlisted him as a soldier. I understood from this verse that we aim to please God only and not worry about the cares of this life too much to where it overwhelms us. I completely understand I am also doing therapy for the same exact thing. I pray to the Father in Jesus's name that you and your wife have your own ministry for God so you can demonstrate that love to your people. You have what it takes. God gave you a story that is your starting point. Amen
@SusanPasierb
@SusanPasierb 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing. I know how you feel my husband and I have been through the same thing. It’s been over a year now and I’m still trying to heal from it. It’s hard for me to trust as well.
@Richard_GIS
@Richard_GIS Жыл бұрын
So sorry to hear your story. Thank you for bringing this forward. God is still with you, no worries on that one, regardless of any 'prophet' telling you something different. Keep going and do that stuff you love. Best whishes
@abnerr0023
@abnerr0023 Жыл бұрын
This breaks my heart man:( praying for you guys!
@JoelKreider
@JoelKreider Жыл бұрын
Noah… you and your wife have been on my heart for a long while. Haven’t known how to pray for you guys, but the Spirit intercedes where words fail. I hope you know, as fellow believers, we’re here to be your community and to help build you guys up while you heal. Drums are secondary, and if the passion returns, we’ll be here for it, but please don’t feel rushed or pressured to immerse yourself if your heart isn’t there. Depression is a thief sometimes. And sometimes our passions shift. I’m a somewhat adequate multi instrumentalist, and drums were not my heart instrument for a long time… until they suddenly were. And while you were part of that journey, I want to thank you. That said; if your passion shifts to guitar or spray paint art, or math tutorials or gardening and plant life… know that I want to help support that for you guys. Just let us know when you’re ready.
@davidwilliam4137
@davidwilliam4137 Жыл бұрын
O Brasil está com você 🇧🇷... O Noah não é apenas um instrumentista como muitos já viram, ele é um músico que me inspira todos os dias pra continuar tocando na igreja, eu assisto os seus vídeos e choro, e também é uma das minhas maiores influências nessa questão de fé, ele não assume apenas uma bateria para tocar como a maioria dos músicos, amas ele presta uma adoração concreta a Deus, e ele é uma das minhas maiores inspirações, eu te amo muito cara, Deus está com voce❤ ( você me inspira muito que o meu papel de parede do celular é a foto do seu site)
@pauloDias77
@pauloDias77 Жыл бұрын
Nestes templos gigantes raramente vamos encontrar liderança que não está apenas movida pelo Dinheiro,e sim pela palavra de Deus. Força meu amigo, estamos com você. E que todo o império do mal e idolatria caiam por terra pelo poder de Jesus.
@scotthendricks6652
@scotthendricks6652 Жыл бұрын
Stay strong. You will get through this. You will be ok.
@Swollen_Goat
@Swollen_Goat Жыл бұрын
I was never faithful or in church growing up. I especially didn't care for the idea of mega churches and places where the "leaders" become worshiped themselves. Even as a non Christian this went against what I knew to be acceptable based on what my mom had talked to me about. I joined a church last year that has a regular attendance of about 300 people per Sunday and I absolutely love playing drums every time with our group. They are some of the most compassionate and caring/open people I have every had the grace and joy to be friends with. I started watching your videos around May of last year and love the guides and playthroughs/live videos you do. I am sorry this happened to you for sure as I am sure it does quite a bit to break down that trust barrier with places like this going forward. I know you say you won't be doing anything on the side of drumming right now, but I would just like to let you know that you should never let what people have done to you stop you from doing what you love. I hope to see you back making videos when you are ready.
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