I Was Wrong About NAS! TerraMaster F8 SSD Plus - Easy Setup & Perfect for Video Editing

[@Dan-Simms]

Level1 Wendell is a nerd national treasure, love that computer janitor.

[@18JamesBlond]

Love Wendell. Been following that guy since the Tech Syndicate days

[@lancecorey6582]

You could put a 10GB network card into your editing computer and run the NAS on the dedicated ethernet. If you need to put files from other computers, share the NAS drive.

[@eMgotcha77]

You can also "cheat" a little bit with 10GBit: some 1GBit switch have 2-4 10GBit ports, which sometimes are labeled "UPLINK"s. Those ports are perfectly fine for you to use. So buy a 16-port 1GBit switch with 2x 10GBit ports and you're fine and they're much cheaper than full 16-port 10GBit switches. To keep it simple for you ensure the 10GBit ports are still RJ-45 (copper). If you still do not get 10GBit speed: ensure EVERYTHING in your network has Jumbo-frames enabled. That might become your biggest problem.

[@agoatmannameddesire8856]

​@@eMgotcha77 You don't even need a switch if you're only connecting two things, you can directly connect the NAS to the workstation with 10GBase-T (copper). You don't even need a rollover cable for the 10Gbase-T, that all auto-negotiates now.

[@dllemm]

The point of a NAS is NOT to directly attach it. That is called DAS. You should be able to use it across systems when different ones are powered off.

[@dllemm]

@@eMgotcha77why would you buy a 10G device and limit the max to 1/10th bandwidth for all but one device?

[@eMgotcha77]

@@dllemm This way it's much cheaper if you just want your PC and NAS to have 10G. Of course my advice is useless if you want to use it in an office with multiple PCs.

[@chris993361]

You said you don't really want to build a new computer, but you can add a 10 gig card to it for a pretty reasonable price and easy. I always think transfer speed is worth it and I probably would

[@TheRealTnT4u]

I've used old server pci network cards to add 10GB and SFF ports for fiber. I think the last one I got was like $25 on ebay.

[@Mohenjo_Daro_]

My advice for a storage NAS that you don't intend to use the files on much is just use HDDs. They don't need to be super fancy if cost is a problem, just spin them down when they're not in use, and do parity checks less often (aka, decrease the wear on them). If you make the whole NAS computer yourself, then I know Unraid is a good option, and I've heard good things about TrueNAS. Setting up a NAS is basically as simple as building a PC and allowing traffic through a port. Just remember it doesn't need to be the latest and greatest hardware: You're reading/writing files.

[@awesomearizona-dino]

love your channel, Terramaster has sent these to hundreds of tech channels, their profit margin gotta be huge. SSD Nas's are good, BUT with standard consumer SSDs, there will be massive failures if they run raid 5, there is a reason they sell ENTERPRISE grade SSDs.

[@LordOfNihil]

you also have to realize that home users are not going to be hitting their nas as hard as enterprises are. mine sits idle most of the time. but do pay attention to mtbf numbers.

[@notbenjamin]

The way you went over the specs was so similar to how you do the overview of the fans on the fan showdown I was expecting to see a smoke test 😂

[@kainobeaner]

the rubber band heatsinks make me nervous. get some small zip ties and fix that befor they just decide to snap and fall off.

[@StayMadNobodycares]

Not the same rubber.

[@VinayVarsani]

I mean the real question is why are they not providing thermal pads.. literally a must for nvme, especially in an enclosed box, plus for longevity

[@timmturner]

​@@VinayVarsanibecause it would add $2 to the cost 😂 Really though it makes zero sense not to include them.

[@kainobeaner]

@@VinayVarsani hmm i didnt notice they didnt have thermal pads. he never showed the back side so maybe they preapplied to the heatsink? otherwise the heatsink aint doing crap.

[@BigHeadClan]

⁠@@VinayVarsani Depends on the m.2 drive if you aren’t getting one that has heavy raw performance they can actually run fairly cool by comparison. So even a small bit of extra cooling goes a long way.

[@accrevoke]

It is never easy to step out of your comfort zone to do something different, props for setting up a proper solution.

[@annebokma4637]

Just be sure to add something like a 10 bay usb3 expansion. That way you use a few SSD for current projects and store your longervterm data on the harddrives

[@evlqueen777]

I built a truenas core system in a Fractal Design Node 804 with 8 12tb SAS drives that I got for free from work. I put a 2.5gbps NIC in it and had to upgrade my switch to remove networking bottlenecks. I don't do content creation at all, so what I use it for is a place for my ip security cameras to store footage, a time machine for my mac(s) and a place for Acronis True Image Home to write to.

[@philosoaper]

I've had a few standalone nas boxes over the years.. I guess I've grown and they've been feeling more and more limiting.. so last year I jumped in and built a DIY NAS.. it has 8 exos 18TB drives and 4 SSD drives and it's running TrueNAS SCALE and I love it

[@Moctipotili1]

Haha, been there! So many network connections that you have to keep a running list of stats to prevent bottlenecks. Luckily I grew up as computers and networks were more basic and remember the pain of a mile of chord running between 5 computers in daisy-chain and always having a throughput issue.

[@davedujour1]

20 year ago, when I was working in SANs and network storage, one of my coworkers lived by the statement "The state of disk is full." It's still true.

[@agoatmannameddesire8856]

If you want to put a 10G NIC in your editing rig, just make sure you have a PCIE slot for it, I think you need PCIEx16. Maybe not a problem now but I ran into that when I only had one x16 slot and it was in use by my GPU. Also, as I said in another comment, you don’t need to upgrade your full network, you can direct connect the NAS to your editing rig once you put a 10G NIC in there. Of course, if you want to use it from other computers, you’ll have to have the editing rig on and sharing the NAS over the network, but it’s cheaper than a switch upgrade. Also, don’t forget the CAT6A!

[@MaNNeRz91]

Dont do what I did and buy an pci expansion card without realising the mb doesn't support the 2nd PCI slot with 2x m.2's already installed on the board.

[@lorribot64]

If you go 10Gb on your LAN you may need to upgrade tour cabling, depending on what you have installed already, replacing cables is always the biggest part of any networking project. Cat 6 will do 10Gb over short runs up to 55m/165 feet, but ideally you will need CAT 6a which can do 100m/330Feet and is high quality cabling generally. Obviously all depends on what is in place already. So next questions is what are you using to back up your NAS? Off site backups ideally.

[@BillyAltDel]

You can actually just buy a 10 GbE PCIe card or possibly even USB dongle if you want to upgrade your PC to 10gig without replacing the mobo

[@JordanSP18]

Congrats on the hole in one! ⛳️

[@carpdog42]

Wow I have so many comments. Glad you enjoy your NAS, it looks nice. Its also probably way overkill for your needs. I think you are vastly overthinking access speed issues and would do fine with spinning disk. Also RAID 5 is nice; but I much prefer 0+1. I also would steer clear of anything proprietary. In fact these days I don't even use RAID, I am using ZFS on everything now. You also really probably don't need to upgrade your network. You only copy terabytes of data to a NAS once or twice, if filling the drive is the only issue you have with the speed, then there isn't much need to worry.

[@thelightningmanoz]

if T-Raid works the same as unraid, you can only use disks that are up to the size of the parity disk. So if your parity disk is 4tb then you can only use disks up to 4tb

[@Mohenjo_Daro_]

Yep, and if they're anything like each other, swapping the parity for a bigger drive is a pain

[@aaabbb-tn3lr]

great video! Do you think NVMes with preinstalled heat sinks would work here? How thick can they be to still fit into the case?

[@lvc394]

What about connecting it with USB to do the initial copying?

[@nyariy]

on a hdd nas you could add a ssd cache on something like truenas or unraid

[@jamcdonald120]

I would go with a raided hdd nas if it where me, its unlikely it all fails at the same time, so you can just replace a drive and keep it going. Just make sure its not a raid that is lost if the controler fails

[@janstransky442]

I am hearing, that the reliability/dying figure is the other way around: spining rust will send signels, that things go wrong, where SSD outright dies. Edit: I wondered if the T-raid is just BTRFS... And yes, it is :-D Be aware, that there is write hole in RAID5 for ages. It should not be a problem, if you have a backup power. Do get UPS for this!

[@Wrathlon]

You can also load Xpenology onto these easily and turn them into a Synology NAS.

[@gizmobowen]

Looks awesome and I'd love to have a better NAS on my network. The SSD option is just too rich for my budget, so I'll stick to old fashioned disc drives. It would be nice to have the SSD speeds, but I'd rather have more room, for the money.

[@o0Dan0o]

Can recommend unraid, super easy to setup. I great zfs is similar, with a number of advantages, but haven't used it. DIY is the way to go...

[@Jwalk9000]

Hard drives do not just suddenly die. They start failing over a very long period of time and the background operation of a hard drive and the way that windows and different operating systems move data when it's no longer readable, make it seem like hard drives suddenly fail using a utility like hard disk Sentinel you can keep an eye on the health of your drives and you will see how over time they do slowly degrade. That being said some hard drives degrade very quickly for a short period of time after they get to a certain point of degradation.

[@lexluthermiester]

@MajorHardware I think something you may have miised is that it haa USB ports. The point being is that you need the network. You can use it as a DAS instead of NAS. You should have a USB-C port on your PC, Plug it in and get the full 10Gbps. I've got something similar and that's what I so. No network, my drive array is connected to USB directly. This has the side benefit of not needing it powered all the time. It's powered when I need it and power when done. Easy breezy!

[@brunogm]

For a NAS it should have ECC DRAM

[@SilveradoTDS]

I'd say get thermal grizzly's nvme ssds heat sinks, that way there isn't rubber bands to break and if a given nvme stick has chips on both sides, the other side has a heatsink of sorts (They won't be sufficient for PCI-E 5.0 nvme sticks through)

[@VIctorCarruyo]

There are a few NAS out there that take an SSD cache for 4 3.5” disk. They have no issue saturating a 2.5 Gbit line. This still does not make sense to me. This is coming from someone that has X7 M.2 2TB drives inside on PC plus x5 3.5” drives on a raid box.

[@matthewmata3630]

You can buy a 10gig network card for your desktop

[@psyberwolf5925]

Gateway...wow! Been a while since I've heard that name!

[@eddyhaze8239]

can I connect a hard drive to it and copy movies to it full speed ?

[@TheRa89]

The fact that the terra master logo looks like cooler master's really pings the scam meter for me

[@bitkarek]

why not use the USB which can do 10Gb instead of LAN connection?

[@labeled9091]

Had to check if that was a coolermaster spin off brand... Saved to watch later .👉😉👉

[@myrcobsession]

For the price of just that NAS with no drives, I would rather just buy 3 x 12TB HDD and put them in my PC.

[@Mohenjo_Daro_]

Agreed. I got one of my 16TB drives for $80 when it went on sale. This is just complete overkill

[@wobblysauce]

Also with SSD is the power use... minimal even under load.

[@lewis-mindscrambler987]

5:18 the new seven ninety-nine has moved the decimal 😢

[@superblitz]

Backups theory: 2 is one; 1 is none.

[@burntalive]

You can you just get a 10 gig pcie expansion card. Could be a good replacement instead of a whole new computer

[@LordOfNihil]

not really. you need to upgrade ALL the cards, switches, cable, etc. home networking gets deceptively expensive fast, even if you only have a handful of machines. you buy one card, you just move the bottleneck to the next weakest point. nas is really pointless if you only have one rig as you can just add the storage directly without the speed penalty (many mobos have built in raid).

[@craazyy22]

Before even watching the video, just seeing the first image and "I have no storage" Why on earth do you just have a 2TB hdd and a 4TB hdd. You can get a 20TB enterprise hdd for 250 bucks. Meanwhile a 2+4TB cost around usd. For 1.66x the price you get 3.5 times the storage. And takes up significantly less space. Might be different with regional pricing. A 10TB drive cost almost as much as a 20 here. So we always just get drives with the most storage for cost.

[@craazyy22]

And it is insanely rare that a HDD just fails out of the blue. Usually they slow down and get higher error rate long before failing. With 4 bays you could run raid 5 with 4 20TB disks in your system. And get 60TB usable with one disk completely failing security. Since its video editing you don't need the rapid seek times as the files are big chunks instead of smaller ones. At least i would run that for long term storage and use SSD while editing, and after move it to HDD.

[@craazyy22]

A single HDD on a NAS would saturate a 1gig internet speed. So upgrade your internet. Get a 10gig expansion card for the pc instead of motherboards with 10 gig. Then you can use it in the future and save a lot on cost of motherboards.

[@MenkoDany]

Speed

[@MenkoDany]

I assume that a different kind of Speed is also the reason you've written this unhinged comment. Don't do drugs kids, m'kay

[@Mohenjo_Daro_]

@@MenkoDany Except he's not getting speed due to his network, and doesn't need the speed since he's using this as storage for old videos XD He would've been better off buying a large HDD, or even making a HDD NAS setup for half the price with 3x the storage. And HDDs can be pretty quick in a NAS depending on the raid/zfs setup This NAS really is overkill for his needs

[@4evermetalhead79]

Just get a PCIE network card that uses 10Gbt connection and upgrade the rest network to same speeds over time.

[@Erksah02]

at least you werent wrong about puffy

[@Transit_Biker]

Just my personal preference, but I would opt for a NAS with two ethernet ports & two power input jacks.

[@mrburns366]

I've a bit of a NAS man, myself. :)

[@Oblithian]

I would love this... But cannot afford that.

[@g0ldensample21]

Where is the fan videos?

[@slartibartfasttynsol420]

Your router is probably not a factor - if you had a 10GBit switch the traffic would just go through that - your internet and wifi isn't likely to stretch the 1GBit speed of the router. One thing to consider is the quality of your wiring - 10GBit Ethernet needs Cat 6a cable, with a max length of 100m (330 feet). If you have cat 5e your not going to get more than 1GBit. Does the USB allow for local connection? Maybe you could use it as a USB drive?

[@Royaleah]

Brave of you to do a move with your files and not a copy.

[@LordOfNihil]

you really dont need high performance hardware in your nas because even good networking will bottleneck it. if you are going to routinely work with files directly on the nas, you probibly need 2.5 gig minimum. 1 gig is fine for backup and media center use (for small numbers of simultaneous users). i suggest spending less on the nas hardware and more on the drives though.

[@muumia4]

holding heatsinks with rubber bands seems bad idea. When the rubber dries out and becomes brittle it can snap and the heatsink falls into the fan. Also looks ghetto as hell. Also i'm pretty sure that SSDs are the ones that die without warning. On circuit side (the whole SSD or the logic part of and HDD) they can both just burn out but with the HDD you usually get bad sectors before failing.

[@TheRealAlpha2]

Building a "new" PC this week and I spent three days agonizing over MVMe drives, to eventually end up buying two moderately priced WD SN580s for their reliability per dollar more than their speed because I also just learned how potentially volatile they can be. The only HDDs I've ever had fail on me in almost a decade of file archiving were Seagate... so BEWARE that little red label you've got there. Also an Inland Sata SSD that claimed to be "professional," boy that was a joke, practically imploded. I will forever stay far away from those brands or anything associated with them from here on out. Scared to even continue using Microcenter flash drives for anything important now. Apparently Addlink SSDs also come out of the same factory as Seagate's with the same components. Use that info as you will. I dunno though, I almost feel like a good 3D printed stand and a few good USB ports beat dropping that much cash on a NAS and a bunch of SSDs that may eat themselves alive in 5-10 years.

[@johnboyboy919]

yesterday ran into your "exact" issue, got 20x 2tb drives off ebay, 10G network card, bunch of other crap Plan is do some zfs with 8 drives, pray they dont die too fast, if I run out of storage buy 20x 4tb drives down the line and pray for the same edit: 20x 2tb sas drives 150$, 10G dual rj45 network card 20$, raid card and cables 32$

[@perochialjoe]

$800 for a NAS is honestly pretty terrible. I could buy half a graphics card for that price.

[@vmoutsop]

I won't pay $1600 for a PC let alone a NAS with 8 drives.

[@somewhatofaprofessional7940]

I spent 1600 on a 3080ti and a gigabyte PSU bundle (ya know, the C4 PSU?) through a shuffle. It was a rough lesson to learn, but here we are... Hard pass on spending 1600 for a NAS setup though...

[@michaelgleason4791]

Nobody cares.

[@Scarlet_Soul]

​@@somewhatofaprofessional7940 That's double painful. Gouged price and a kaboom in a box

[@timmturner]

​@@michaelgleason4791I care

[@Mohenjo_Daro_]

That's why I made my own NAS. SSDs are overkill most of the time as well. I spent around $600 on my NAS which has 24TB storage on it, and I can upgrade more if I want to. It would've been $200 cheaper, but I had to buy two HDDs before they went on sale due to one of the old drives failing earlier than expected $1600 for a NAS is way too much unless you plan to use it for video processing/editing or something where the read/write speeds are needed, and even then...

[@Nobe_Oddy]

even if you had a 10 Gb/s network card and router/switch it would be LIMITED BY THE SPEED OF THE HARD DRIVE that you are reading from.... which I think is about 300MB/s BUT because you have multiple hard drives you can read from 4 of them at a time before you saturate that 10 Gb/s limit (which is about 1,250MB/s) .... but since you only have 1 Gb/s you saturate it with just one drive being read :( You SHOULD HAVE just hooked it up though USB!!!! I'm not sure how Terramaster's software works, so I don't know how it would show up on your computer (like if the way you were copying stuff using the network would be the exactly same way or if you would have to do it differently) BUT I'm pretty sure you have a newer computer with AT LEAST a 5G USB port (So USB 3.0 is 5G/s , USB 3.1 is 10G/s , USB 3.2 is 20G/s ,and USB 4 is 40G/s BUT they also have Gen1x1 Gen 2x1 and Gen2x2 ... it is ALL SUPER CONFUSING and REALLY REALLY STUPID!!!!! ) BUT the I/O on the back of your Motherboard MIGHT have labels showing which USB ports are what speed.... but if you have a USB-C port on the back of your computer/motherboard then you should just use that, BUT you will have to buy a USB-C to USB-C cable AND it will HAVE TO be capable of running at those speed.... (I recommend you SPLURGE on a HIGH END USB-C Cable that is FOR SURE capable of USB4/40Gb/s and it is VERIFIED to run those speed... not just the claims in the title of the Amazon/Newegg/etc listing, but you should find a website that verifies cable speed/signal integrity & cable quality ... and if you can find other sites that also verify the same cable... they are a bit expensive compared to other types of cables.... but you don't need a second mortgage or anything... but you want to get a decent length tho... this is gonna be the last USB cable you'll ever need... and it can be used as a monitor cable too.... - well anyway... if you had gone this route you would have the benefits of the 10 Gig network without having to buy a new switch, a new network card, AND compatible wires too.... AND setting them also..... this would have been one wire after a little bit of research, and BOOM! you're done. BUT this whole comment is POINTLESS because you said you transferred everything over already anyway LOL.... but now you have some new knowledge if you didn't already know this stuff :)

[@bradkuntzelman5343]

backups.... BACKUPS!

[@Lawlzimadeacomment]

I have 144TB worth of drives that I use for Plex and Network storage lol

[@hellofellowkidz]

A disk just dying is not a problem if use a raid 3 or higher on the NAS. And if you don't you should not get a NAS.

[@levancejames584]

Ubiquity EnterpriseXG 24 multigig switch 1, 2.5, 5, 10 GB/s

[@DeFlanko]

ooo a nVME nas....

[@ovarb12]

$800 bone dry nas. Nope. Get a card that with hold 4 nvme drives. There's tons of other way cheaper options. You can do better.

[@ds5528]

8 NVME SSD and only comes with 1 10GBE...

[@ahayesm]

Setting up my Synology NAS was even easier than this, it's the same as setting up a router basically, don't need to download any software even.

[@Scarlet_Soul]

I prefer TaskMasters

[@Lord_Omni]

Durability of SSDs is a myth o) My 1tb Samsung 7500rpm HDD is around 15 years old and still has no bad signs - using it for torrents. It outlived two Kingston SATA SSDs. SATA SSD has life expectancy of 5 years, NVME has 10 years.

[@Playreadygamers]

htf do you have over 10 tb's of data?

[@RandomUnimportant]

Video takes up a lot of space

[@StayMadNobodycares]

"He's a content creator" Keyword "content" aka media, It takes up space you know.

[@valen961]

10tb is laughably little space once to start shooting video in 4k for long sessions.

[@gregorizi]

NAS means, normally always slow 😂. I will newer buy that nonsense again. It is like going back in time

[@Nobe_Oddy]

You SHOULD KEEP A BACK-UP of your MOST IMPORTANT FILES, and store them ON ONE OF YOUR HDD's and then take it out of your computer and keep it in a SAFE, DRY, ROOM TEMP, FIRE/WATER PROOF PLACE (if you even have files that are SUPER IMPORTANT) and BEST PRACTICE is to actually keep this drive OFF SITE..... like in a Bank safety deposit box (kind of overkill, unless it's the crypto password to your billions in bitcoin lol) or just ANY SAFE LOCATION that is NOT THE SAME PLACE.... so incase your hoe burns down, there is another copy somewhere else.... that just part of the best security practices... BUT you should at least keep q copy of the realty important stuff on another drive (I can't decide what is a better medium: SSD or HDD... HDD's can die from a very small drop if it lands the wrong way, but SSDs can totally fry just from wearing the wrong socks.... and static zap them dead.... so which type is up to you) and just store it in a closet if you don't need to access it very ofte,. or just hooked up to your computer but maybe using bitlocker or something to encrypt if it if personal/private/secure data :D I hope this helped you some :D

[@potatopobobot4231]

I like TO COMMENT with UPPER CASE letters. i dont CARE IF I SOUND like a DOUCHE

[@aleksanderdziki6965]

ffs, say the specs. *I liked yr channel coz it was interesting and with information, now this is ful;l of ads and shi^t. GL.