I Was Wrong About STAR WARS REBELS

[@Lavapasta]

As you can probably guess, the biggest inspirations for this video were the star wars rebels videos made by Marcus from The Cosmonaut Variety Hour, and watching them is even how i first realized the main issues with the series when it was still airing. However, I still disagree with Marcus on a few things and I have my own relationship with rebels, so I don't feel like I'm plagiarizing any of his points in my video here- I just feel like you might want to watch his videos for more material on the subject.

[@Lavapasta]

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[@xblade149]

I was about say cosomonaut did a review on this and I wonder you were inspired

[@Lavapasta]

@@xblade149 you got it, back in 2017 i saw his first rebels vid and was like '...wait a minute... maybe i made a mistake saying that this show was better than the clone wars in 2015' and here we are now

[@zero-wolf5519]

@@Lavapasta to me it just sounds like you took some for his points and add your own opinions based on his video

[@Lavapasta]

@@zero-wolf5519 yeah i was definitely influenced by it but I feel like im at least adding on to what marcus says in some way. Like, we both refer to the inquisitors as "team rocket" but I only say that right after I talk about how much i enjoy their concept and provided my own artwork of team rocket as inquisitors. Maybe I should have name-dropped his work in the video and said "i love these guys but yeah cosmonaut marcus is right theyre literally just team rocket"

[@mitchellbenford3896]

The force unleash is the true foundation of the rebel alliance. At least it’s cannon in my mind

[@tykamen5588]

I like The Force Unleashed games but Starkiller being inspiration for Rebel Alliance and using his family crest at their symbol just feels kind of shoehorned

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

I was a huge Clone Wars fan so when it was canned and replaced with Rebels, I had high hopes. I want into Rebels with an open if not optimistic mind. But when I saw that first episode I realized this was that that good of a show. And the worse part was knowing Disney cancelled Clone Wars for this subpar replacement. The hardest part for me is that Rebels doesn't seem to know who it's audience it. The tone is ridiculously childish for Star Wars and you can tell. They are so afraid of onscreen deaths that they even make a point of showing Stromtroopers move a little bit after they've been shot. Disney is making it abundantly clear these people have not been killed. This is a show with "War" in the title. Why are you not killing people? Yet at the same time they have this childish tone, there are elements in Rebels that are a continuation of Clone Wars. This series was designed to, to an extend, for Clone Wars fans. It tie up loose ends and you need prerequisite Clone Wars knowledge to fully appreciate it. But you can't go from the gritty, violent, and complex world of the Clone Wars into the censored, and simplistic tone and violence of Rebels. It's jarring and it doesn't feel organic. As a Clone Wars fan, I didn't like it. Like Maul was from a guy who would kill kids, execute people onscreen, stage coups of entire planets, and work with terrorists. Now he's hanging out with Ezra Bridger in a show that can't even use the word terrorist because it airs on Disney XD. Rebels was just a disappointment. It was stifled by the fact that it was made for children yet expects me to believe it exists in the same universe as Clone Wars which was aimed at teens. Dave Filoni even jokingly said in an interview when asked about what would have happened to some babies that were kidnaped by the Empire and he responded with "nothing I can show on Disney XD!" And it hurts because there was a similar plotline in Clone Wars and they literally show the Sith about to experiment on these kids. Rebels is not all bad. It has a few shining moments of greatness that match the Clone Wars but these moments are few and far between. If I have to slog through 95% of a show being bad to reach the 5% that are good, it's a show not worth watching.

[@maxlivingham2001]

IMO I prefer and would watch Rebels over Clone Wars any day of the week, but I can definitely see where people may not like the more childish display. I wish it was more like Clone Wars in the sense of the violence, etc. but with what Filoni had and the guidelines he had to follow, I think he did a great job, I think once the sequel comes out, it'll definitely be a lot more like CW since it's most likely live-action/not on Disney XD so it might be more your thing. I personally think he made up for it having less violent displays by having great characters but that's just my opinion

[@sofialu226]

But based on what you said, that would be Disney's Fault, not Rebels or Filonnis'

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

@@sofialu226 I never blamed Filoni, but Rebels is the product and I am judging quality of the product as anyone does in a review or critique. I think that Disney is responsible for creating an inferior show via executive mandates and dumbing down the intensity for kids but the end product is still Rebels. A product is not responsible for itself but it is still an inferior product by the nature of its existence and responsible for its own quality to be judged. I can say Rebels is not that great in the same way I can say Twilight is not that great (but Rebels is still better than any teen vampire romance novel). Disney, I think, should be held responsible for the lack of quality in the show's production but at the end of the day, the product is still the product and Rebels is a subpar product.

[@garettments3177]

@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi are you really sure it's a lack of quality and not just your type of show/it's too different from CW? none of the stuff you've mentioned represents a lack of quality, just the show being made with audiences younger than the TCW audiences in mind. would the show have been better if it had contained as many mature themes as TCW? yeah, definitely. but the show worked very well with what it did and how it did it. you just have to go in there aware that the show doesn't contain as many as these mature themes and isn't going to be Clone Wars II. I prefer the much more serious tone and mature displays of Clone Wars, but at the same time, I prefer the characters and animation in Rebels. you just have to appreciate each show for what they bring to the table. I'm not at all saying you can't criticize the show based on these things, but you'll find yourself better off if you go in aware of what the show is and how it's different than what you're used too

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

@@garettments3177 My main criticism with the show (which I gave more examples of in my original comment) is that it cannot be taken seriously and this is a genuine criticism. Star *Wars* Rebels is a show about war. It's a show about rebellion. It's a show about oppression. These are serious topics but they are necessary topics kids needs to know about because they have real world inspiration and application. A good show can literally teach you about these subjects and you can make comparisons to real life. The problem is, Rebels does not handle these subjects with enough gravity or realism. If I am really to fear the Empire and understand the reason why these characters are rebelling the show needs to give me a good enough reason to fear them. But because the show is so dumbed down, the Empire isn't scary. There are moments in the show where characters will pull pranks on Imperials in the middle of a battles, raids, and infiltrations. That is not how people act when they are actually rebelling against a dictatorship. These people should be constantly alert for their lives, not making snide jokes and acting childishly. If you act childishly during a military battle, you're telling me the threat is not real because no one, not even kids, act childishly in the middle of death and war. That's my main criticism and I believe I articulated it pretty well in my OG comment. If the characters don't take the threat seriously, so why should I? And this is damaging because a show like Star Wars should teach you about real world war and this show does not. The Clone Wars was so well presented that I learned about the ethics of torture, colonialism, desertion, military insubordination, insurgency, and profiteering, and philosophies like pacifism, neutrality, feudalism, democracy and more. Clone Wars taught me so well that I could take fictional representations and apply them to the real world. But you can't learn anything about war from Rebels when they make the deliberate attempt to show you Stormtroopers getting shot _but still moving around on the ground_ because Disney XD is too afraid to kill characters on-screen. By dumbing war down, Rebels robs and discredits war of its impact. That's my problem and it's even worse when Rebels is a show that's directly tied to a series that already showed war in all it's brutality. It creates a narrative dissonance.

[@dashonwilliams2777]

Also, I personally think that season three and four are the best, it shows Ezra’s character growth especially threw that last scene

[@Mateocabrera2389]

His growth that he cares about other people and rejects the dark side. Boring and overdone. He sucks.

[@maxlivingham2001]

​@@Mateocabrera2389 Crazy how 4 new accounts came here all within the same hour and said very similar things. We get that you're not a fan of Ezra, but come on you're just being obsessive about this. In the end, you like what you want to like and others will like what they want to like. Let people have their opinions, man, it's Star Wars, there's something for everybody to enjoy!

[@yronvasquez1851]

@@maxlivingham2001 I can't stand the whole you like what you like argument. The guy is right the way it was done even was bad. There is no something for everyone when it is poorly done it excuses bad writing and doesn't allow for greatness hence the general mediocrity of lots of Star Wars media after Disney bought it. What you say is only true if it was good writing for a character people dislike because of their choices. So cut the moral high ground biz when you Anakin burning in lava.

[@oldman5247]

Star Wars Rebels is an 80's cartoon on steroids. With the trappings/problems of any typical 80's cartoon for better or worse.

[@cab12300751]

Personally I never really saw the Ghost crew as being parallels to the original trilogy cast. This was something I had never really thought about until you made your point in the video, but I guess I could see the connection there, though some of it is a bit of a stretch. I think a lot of your problems with the show come from it not being what you wanted/expected it to be, which you said in your video. Usually I try to leave expectations at the door and I found myself really liking the show and the characters. As cool as a show with the original trilogy characters would be, I'm really glad that Rebels chose to focus on a cast of new characters instead. Clone Wars was cool but I feel like I had a hard time connecting to the characters since I already knew their history and fates. I think one of the reasons Ahsoka is so popular is because she is a new character. The movie characters are locked in, you can't really take their characters to places that don't match up with what's seen in the movies. There's a lot more freedom and excitement with characters that are unchained by movie restrictions. I'm not sure if what I said made sense, but it did in my head lol

[@bosuper9403]

The problems is that the Ghost crew are terrible characters with maybe one exception.

[@alexhambre1141]

@@bosuper9403 The Ghost Crew are all fantastic characters with great development.

[@GamerSlyRatchet1]

I noticed your said you preferred the first season the most. Greg Weisman was one of the showrunners in that season and he left afterwards, only writing a Kanan prequel comic before leaving the franchise overall. I wonder if the show would have turned the same after the first season or not. At the very least, I wonder how he would’ve handled Thrawn, considering mastermind-type villains are a specialty of his.

[@rangers94ism]

I tried to watch this. I only got as far as Season 1 Episode 13 before I quit. It was so poorly written, directed, performed, executed, and animated. I hated everything about it. The Stormtroopers were terrible. The main characters were unlikable, there were no cool bad guys except for established characters, I never felt like the main characters were in any danger because even when they were getting shot at they never looked like they were acting in urgency. The TIE Fighters were non threatening. I guess the good guys whined a lot about the Empire but who cares?

[@garettments3177]

The show had excellent writing, animation and was done very well. It probably just wasn’t your thing. The characters from Rebels are easily my favorite SW characters of all time after watching the show. I mean everything else can be easily explained by the fact you barely watched the show. If I stopped 13 episodes into Clone Wars, I still would’ve hated the shit out of Ahsoka and thought that the animation was shit.

[@rangers94ism]

@@garettments3177 I am glad that you liked it. I actually didn't quit because I am still watching the show. Right now I am half way through season 2 and I am still having a hard time with it. If you want to know why I continue its because I started watching the entire saga in this order: A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, The Clone Wars cartoon, Revenge of the Sith, and now Rebels. After that it's Rogue One, Return of the Jedi, and the Mandalorian. So I feel like I am in too deep to stop.

[@garettments3177]

@@rangers94ism I'm glad you're at least trying to stick around with it and not just watching a few episodes and rating it off of them. Not at all trying to guarantee that you'll like it since as I said, it's not for everybody, but it does really start to pick up in the S2 finale and S3/S4 are amazing. If you still don't like it's probably just not your type of show which is 100% understandable and hopefully, if they ever have a Rebels sequel show in the future, whether it's animation or live-action, it'd be more your thing.

[@JohnDoe-wb6vl]

@@garettments3177 It was horrible, get over it

[@JonP1245]

@@garettments3177 ehh…that’s debatable

[@Autobotmatt428]

What hurt this show also was the low budget and that it was on Disney now not Cartoon Network. Also the show had some of the worst animation errors i've seen in a 3d animated show. Sabine had no neck in Season 2 episode 2 opening and you can see it. Also the textures on builds look like they art flat and panted.

[@HolyknightVader999]

The biggest missed potential of this show was the fact that it didn't have episodes taking place during the Original Trilogy. We could have seen how destroying the Death Star affected the galaxy; it could have galvanized planetary systems to resist the Empire, while at the same time, people in Imperial Space would be treating it as a tragedy as many of them would have husbands, fathers, and brothers onboard that station, and those who lost family there would be signing up to join the Empire. We could have seen how the Rebels losing the Battle of Hoth might have forced some planets that declared independence to once again pay tribute to the Emperor and submit to his will. We could even see how the Emperor's death on the Battle of Endor could have brought joy and cheer for the outlying systems, while in the core systems, the Imperial Moffs and Grand Admirals start playing Game of Thrones with each other, with each warlord dreaming that he will one day sit on Palpatine's throne. Rebels could have done all that, but instead, we just get a tidbit about how the Empire never came back to burn Lothal to the ground despite losing a Grand Admiral and a TIE Defender factory there. Those losses would have been catastrophic and would be seen as a massive insult to the Empire. You'd think Vader would visit the planet a second time in order to raze all settlements there as an example to those who threaten the Empire. I know the old Legends Vader would have. But apparently the new canon Vader isn't too keen on reminding people who rules the Empire.

[@garettments3177]

That's just not what the show was ever meant to be about lol, it was just meant to show the growth of the rebellion into what it was in the OT, not show the rebellion in the OT. And I mean, there were many other things happening around the same time so Vader would have been pre-occupied and deemed the planet not worth the visit, and they probably thought the Rebellion was heavily guarding the planet as well since it's the first they captured. Not that Vader couldn't beat them, but they need to deploy troops elsewhere

[@mitchellbenford3896]

@@garettments3177 The Force Unleashed is the true story of the rebellion

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@garettments3177 And that was stupid. Why limit it to that? Why not explore how the OT movies' events affected the galaxy at large? Also, I'm sure losing a Grand Admiral and a TIE Defender factory would be a massive slap in the face to the Emperor himself, the fact that one of his chosen elite got whacked there. The Empire I grew up with would have turned Lothal into the next Mandalore or Concord Dawn for that offense alone.

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@mitchellbenford3896 That's the story Lucas wants to go with.

[@garettments3177]

@@HolyknightVader999 Why are you asking me? Go take it up with Dave Filoni. You could easy say that Rebels focused on one cell (while still showing the growth of the Rebellion as a whole) with Ezra as the main character, so the show logically ends when Ezra is no longer with the Rebellion. And I'm fairly sure that's exactly what the purpose of the Death Star was. Bet if it wasn't destroyed Lothal would've been one of the first planets instantly destroyed. And after that, they started working on the second one and also worked on taking down the Rebellion, destroying Lothal would've just been something that happened later on.

[@XDogeGamingX]

Yikes. I personally think that Rebels is better than Clone Wars, and I can see why you think differently. I just think a lot of the reasoning in here is a bit silly such as Ezra's growth. He grows a whole lot throughout the series. Regardless, why does it matter which one is better? As long as you enjoyed watching them both, you got the intended effect. They’re not at all meant to compete against one another, they’re meant to stand together to help expand the lore of the SW universe and they both do a great job of that

[@Mateocabrera2389]

His growth is so simple and boring. Reject dark side and care about other people. Wow haven’t seen that before.

[@XDogeGamingX]

@@Mateocabrera2389 I mean, it isn't, but whatever floats your boat, I guess.

[@adudeontheinternet8246]

@@XDogeGamingX Examples? It certainly felt like his growth was that simple. He was mostly without any character traits, and I liked where he was going with the dark side route but they pulled him off it. You can't really just say it wasn't because I've watched rebels and I certainly don't see it.

[@XDogeGamingX]

@@adudeontheinternet8246 Sorry for the long comment, I've had many experiences with people hating them. Maybe we just have totally different views on it which is okay. You can definitely simplify it heavily as "bad kid becomes good" but I really enjoyed seeing him go from selfish and self-serving to be willing to sacrifice himself for the good of his planet. He said that he didn't even want to help warn the rest of the crew in the first few episodes because he didn't want to risk his life for strangers, yet that's what he did in the finale (and many other times) without hesitation. I'd argue that this sacrifice is one of the most important things for the eventual success of the Rebellion that doesn't include a Skywalker since it takes Thrawn out of the picture and is a beacon of hope that the rebellion is able to beat the Empire. This is a bit debatable on if it's growth of Ezra, but I enjoyed how they had him grow from an individual with zero trust or faith in other people because half of his life at that point was spent alone unable to trust anyone but himself to one who is able to trust other people and has their backs/and they have his. He didn't trust the Ghost Crew to come back for him in one of the first few episodes when he was captured by Kallus, stating that people didn't do that and Kallus was stupid for thinking they'd ever come back for him, and he went to trusting his entire fate on Sabine and Ahsoka. Don't want to have too long of a post but I'd also add his development with dealing with the fate of his parents and the fate of Kanan in there. I think the fact that you can also see Kanan and Ezra growing together also really improves it for me and the growing bond between the crew, especially Ezra and Sabine. Also how Ezra went from such an independent person to being able to lead the liberation of Lothal with great success You can easily say that he did grow in maturity and skills/abilities, but that's pretty much a given since he goes from 14 to 19 and is training with either Kanan, Ahsoka, Rex, or Hera. I think they did an excellent job with his ability progression though. WAY better than Rey. His dark side arc could have definitely lasted longer but in a way, it makes sense that it didn't since he had family surrounding him, and they kinda cut off the six months or so where he was struggling heavily with the dark side (between Malachor and S3EP1). We have practically only seen the beginning of it and the ending of it and nothing in between. But he definitely did have some more internal struggle throughout with controlling himself and ensuring he did the right thing. Was probably just a result of not enough time or Filoni thought it was not necessary. I feel like the worst thing for Ezra was that he didn't have much time for him to be fully fleshed out because there were 5 other characters who needed to be explained as well, but I have very high hopes we'll see him a lot more in the Ahsoka show

[@CesarLopez-ox4ld]

This show is just not good. I’m not a die hard clone wars fan but it’s still reigns far superior. Kinda funny how Rebels’ best moments come from clone wars characters and continued storylines.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

Exactly. All of Rebel's best moments come from not from itself, but from the characters and storylines established in the Clone Wars. And ironically enough, those Clone Wars character are not as good unless you watch Clone Wars first, meaning people who watched Rebels first aren't getting the full experience. But going from Clone Wars to Rebels is a huge downgrade. That means it's a Catch-22, either you're an old fan and you're disappointed or you're a new fan and you don't get the full picture + now you've spoiled key Clone Wars plot lines if you want to go back and watch Clone Wars.

[@garettments3177]

@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi >All of Rebel's best moments come from not from itself, but from the characters and storylines established in the Clone Wars. Some of them do but there are certainly a lot of moments in Rebels that were absolutely amazing without the inclusion of CW characters. A lot of the time the CW characters complemented the new characters and helped them grow even more.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

@@garettments3177 Yes, but the best moments of Rebels are still dependent on Clone Wars.

[@garettments3177]

@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi Not all of them. There are many fantastic moments in Rebels dependent of CW. And the moments that did have them involved did justice to both the new characters and the old characters. They did it really well.

[@andresashura5550]

@@garettments3177 the only good moments on his own was “ the death of you know who” and the mandolorian sabine plotline, everything else is trash

[@middleearthmaiden]

I definitely agree With some of your points. But I actually really enjoy rebels and while I like clone wars better, I think rebels was really well done. I like the character development. And while rebels could be better, I still really love it and think it has a good story.

[@uli_Gio]

When I watched The Clone Wars ( 2008 - 2020 ) , I instantly knew I was going to like the series When I watched Rebels, I knew how bad and annoying characters or development they have. Hey guys I know we go through space and have adventures but I wanna go back to Lothal.

[@JohnDoe-wb6vl]

Yes, I knew immediately that I would hate Rebels and I watched it all the way through, and hated it the entire time

[@uli_Gio]

@@JohnDoe-wb6vl lol atta boy

[@sharkanenoa5928]

Theres been rumors of sequel series to rebels... I personally believe that will be a mix of both Clone Wars and Rebels. Telling Linear Story while also branching out into multiple story arcs. And Thrawn is alive. If he and Ezra went to the same place. I believe that they were forced to work together. Spending all that time together the Ezra that we saw in the finale will NOT be the same Ezra when we see him again. Maybe being around Thrawn for so long, Ezra might become a much more cold, calculating and more militant person just like Thrawn himself. Basically Thrawns personal enforcer. Just like how Darth Vader was for the Emperor.

[@Lavapasta]

honestly i do kinda want ezra to show up again but as a space pirate with a big coat and an eye patch, like the anime character "captain harlock"

[@Mateocabrera2389]

I’m pretty sure they’re continuing the story in live action with the Ahsoka series as well as this Mandoverse Filoni and Favreau are building.

[@Lavapasta]

@@Mateocabrera2389 *banging on Filoni's office door* GIVE - ME - SPACE - PIRATE - CAPTAIN - EZRA

[@skinflutey]

@@Lavapasta he’ll probably be in the role of master C’baoth. I believe Filoni is going to give us his version of the Thrawn trilogy.

[@jonathanfilson6399]

Strongly disagree with a lot of your points tbh but everyone has their preferences! Particularly disagree with your take on Ezra, who I believe shows a lot of growth. Just think of the geonosis arc in season 3. He was the one who showed the most compassion to the last geonosian, and as the show went on he really desperately wanted to free the planet he called home and it’s people. Just cause he was in charge doesn’t mean he has a hero complex. He’d gotten chances to lead before and failed at times but became a better leader after them cause he learned from failure. I don’t get the comparison to the OT characters either. It’s a big galaxy, there’s plenty of ace pilots and gunfighters and big hairy aliens to go around. The Rebels characters have so much depth and personality, and are unique in my opinion. I know they couldn’t show literal death too much, but for a kids show I thought it did an amazing job of conveying the themes of loss and sacrifice. Doesn’t have to be gritty and bloody to be dark.

[@thecman235]

I mostly agree. Rebels has a number of issues and doesn't live up to clone wars' highest highs. I still like rebels in spite of its flaws. The crew is so fun to spend time with and it has some great ideas and stories. I do disagree with you about ezra however. He changes alot over the course of the 4 seasons. Becoming more selfless and more mindful of his actions. He still has room to grow but he really became a great leader at the end.

[@bosuper9403]

Wow what a boring arc. Becoming selfless that’s nothing new.

[@sheebatabal8326]

@@bosuper9403 If you had watched it, you'd probably feel differently.

[@adudeontheinternet8246]

@@sheebatabal8326 I've watched it-- And I felt nothing.

[@adudeontheinternet8246]

I felt ezra lacked character traits for most the series-- His character design is ugly, he never shows much emotion and his fall to the dark side plot was interesting-- only to be pulled away. A light side sith or a grey jedi would've been interesting as hell, but it never really went anywhere.

[@sheebatabal8326]

@@adudeontheinternet8246 definitely disagree there. he shows a whole ton of emotion throughout the series. i think he just isn't your type of character, maybe seeing him show up again and has more screentime will help, i think it'd make sense for him to return to sabine and ahsoka as a grey jedi

[@anikinskinwalker4721]

I disagree with everything you said

[@alexdeghost2729]

Okay, I gotta say no to the Grey Jedi. Was never a fan of them in the AU and never will be. Balance in the force is harmony between the light and dark in it's existence but, as George Lucas says, the use of the dark side is what causes imbalance.

[@FirenzeStorm]

Throughout the video without looking down to the description I was wondering why I was having flashbacks to Unicorn :P Great song choices

[@AJMarraffa]

I agree that the show was at its best in season 1, where it focused more on the ragtag adventures of the Ghost's crew and building the character's relationships with each other. I just finished season 4 today and I was left feeling unsatisfied. The show got way too big for its britches and focused on the wrong things. I was hoping for a melancholy ending like Rogue One's where most of the characters we've come to love die (because they aren't in any of the succeeding Star Wars content) to allow the rebellion in A New Hope to live on. But, instead, it kept one foot in that camp while putting the other in the bombastic happy ending Rise of Skywalker camp. It didn't execute either of those well, which made it kind of a weird finale and I didn't know how I was supposed to feel emotionally. It's a shame because I really loved the characters and the show up until that ending.

[@xblade149]

Good analysis

[@mitchellbenford3896]

How is it with Rey bieng overpowered everyone is upset, but with Ezra bieng overpowered and annoying and unlikable, everyone is ok?🤔😒

[@jonathanfilson6399]

Is this really a question? Because Rebels actually shows Ezra gradually being trained, and gradually growing stronger, whereas Rey just somehow becomes super powerful with little to no training. He is fairly annoying at times but he has plenty of growth throughout the show, yet Rey is just kinda the same the whole time.

[@Leo-iZ177]

being the most selfish guy on the planet i am seriously offended by this video

[@thehuntergaming6772]

At least Thrawn will come back and be against Ashoka.

[@sentientmeat8975]

I think that rebels is one of the best pieces of the Star Wars. I loved watching it and I actually don’t see anything wrong with it.

[@anthonymorris2008]

so i going to be real i did not like this video that all

[@Verebazs]

I agree with your points, that's also how I felt about Rebels: a good show, that fell just short of it's full potential, despite all the necessary elements being present. After Filoni stepped down from actively supervising the show in Season 3, it just lost it's thematic focus. However I very strongly disagree with your comparisons. While I can't say anything about Fallen Order, Rebels is lightyears above The Mandalorian, let alone the utterly awful Fanservice Awakens and and the entire rehash-trilogy.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

To be fair, Lavapasta didn't make say anything about the broader sequel trilogy, just the Force Awakens. But yeah, a major flaw of that movie was forcing it's characters into identical roles our original OT heroes without actually understanding what made those orignal characters so special in the first place. It's a problem that plagues not just the Force Awakens, but the entire sequel trilogy that's ultimately a derivative rehash. Like why can no one do what the prequels did? They were similar to the OT in some ways but totally original in other ways. It expanded the universe instead of stifling it.

[@mitchellbenford3896]

Mandalorian and Fallen order are way better than rebels in every way

[@Verebazs]

@@mitchellbenford3896 The Mandalorian is garbage. Just because Luke Skywalker showed-up for two minutes at the end of the second season, it does not erase the myriad of plot contrivances that exclusivelyy drive the narrative, the boring sidequests, or the lack of meaningful interaction between the characters.

[@sheebatabal8326]

@@mitchellbenford3896 definitely not

[@mitchellbenford3896]

@@sheebatabal8326 Yeah they are

[@luca99191]

You missed out on the part where the empire where not threatening

[@garettments3177]

That's pretty much just a side effect of it being a kids show - it still sucks though, i think it's easy enough to overlook for the sake of entertainment though

[@taladon6420]

It could have never gotten better than SWtCW

[@MrJonesito]

You made this entire video just to use that line and clip at the end, didn't you?

[@thevirussheep9997]

I disagree with your take but I can see where you're coming from. I personally have Rebels as my #1 SW Media and Ezra as my #1 SW character but I think SW is fantastic since there's something for everybody to enjoy and love. Don't like animation? Watch the movies and the shows. Don't like live-action? read the books and watch the animated shows. etc. there are so much different varieties of content

[@bosuper9403]

You have bad taste.

[@sheebatabal8326]

@@bosuper9403 You have absolutely horrible taste. For someone who dislikes this show, you surely are absolutely obsessed with it.

[@JohnDoe-wb6vl]

You have poor taste

[@Kusanagikaiser999]

I not agree, sorry I dont understand that mentality of IT HAVE TO BE BETTER THAN CLONE WARS, Rebels was a great show despite wasn't as good as Clone Wars, it was lighthearted, fun and serious and dramatic WHEN IT NEED IT, Dave Filoni still deliver one of the best SW shows with Rebels, yes is NOT as serious or Dark as Clone Wars, yes the animation was less expensive, yes was more kiddie at times, but its a CARTOON SHOW, one of the BEST of the last decade and still this show have the balls to kill of of their main characters (something actually CLONE WARS FAIL to do....Ahsoka, Rex and many more should have die there but they didnt, Kanan did), so this ohhh Rebels is bad because is not as GOOD as CLONE WARS is the stupidest thing any fan can say, is as stupid as say Legend of Korra is bad because wasn't AVATAR THE LAST AIRBENDER, the show is still leap ahead 90% of the modern era and classic era cartoons, how not be as good as its predecessor make it less great? So is sad you make a WHOLE VIDEO taking back a good opinion, if you want to say is not as GREAT as CLONE WARS is fine, but kinda making this make it look like this show was a pile of garbage and I would NEVER agree on anyone who thinks THAT WAY.

[@Lavapasta]

I'm not saying it needed to be better than the clone wars, I'm saying that I used to think it was 'better than the clone wars' and I was wrong for thinking that way- it's not garbage, it's just not as good and is not a true successor to what Filoni and co. worked on previously. Maybe you don't think it's fair to compare it to the clone wars at all, but when both shows share the same crew members and characters... it's very difficult to not measure them against each other.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

No one said it has to be better than Clone Wars, but it hurts to know that Clone Wars was cancelled and replaced with a greatly inferior show. If Rebels was a bit less in quality than the Clones Wars it would have been fine, but they fall so far below the bar that, for the most part, Rebels isn't worth watching. And yeah, I fully agree that characters like Rex and Ahasoka SHOULD have died but it has nothing to do with having the show runners not being brave enough to kill them off. Considering that Clone Wars showed suicide terrorism, execution, and mild cussing on screen, it's obvious that they had the guts to do kill off main characters if they wanted to AND THEY DID! Characters like Fives, Satine, and Savage were arguably main characters who had entire episode arcs devoted to them and they were killed off. Were they as important as Rex and Ahsoka, no. But it's disingenuous to say that Clone Wars did not have the guts to kill off main characters because they did. And the ironic thing is, if Clone Wars was never canceled and replaced with Rebels, it's very likely that many of the main characters you mentioned would have been killed off. Major characters tend to be killed off near the end of a show so they can be of as much service to the story until then. That's why they killed Kanan in the last 6 episodes and not the 70 episodes prior. Clone Wars was planning to kill of major characters in the last few episodes but they never got around to it because the show the canned. Case in point, Ventress (another main character) was set to be killed in the show but when it was cancelled they were forced to kill her in a book. And there was a huge debate about Ahsoka's fate behind the scenes. They discuss in interviews how Lucas was "Team Ahsoka Dies" and Filoni was "Team Ahsoka lives". Her fate was never set in stone and it's very likely she would have died if the series was never cancelled and Lucas got his way. Because when it was cancelled, Filoni had to pick up the pieces and he did this by introducing Clone Wars characters into Rebels. It was not the plan to have so many characters survive this long but Filoni tried to finish their stories because it was unlikely he would ever be allowed to finish them in Clone Wars. The fact that Disney ended up making a season 7 of Clone Wars was a miracle and when making that, Filoni again had to adapt the story to now fit the Rebels future. Sorry for the super long comment, but it's just untrue that Clone Wars didn't kill off main characters. Many were killed and more would have been killed if it were not for Rebels prematurely ending Clone Wars before they had the chance to kill of more characters. And ironically, the existence of Rebels forced certain characters to survive when they otherwise would not have because Dave needed to finish their stories.

[@sheebatabal8326]

@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi Rebels is definitely worth watching. Whether you like it or not is a different story, but I personally found it to be way better than CW because I preferred the consistency of Rebels and the animation style. I'd still say CW is 100% worth watching though and then you could determine whether you like it or not. People just prefer different things

[@grandmashipreplacement3225]

The Clone wars straight up killed most of the characters they introduced and after it was first released no one really knew if darth maul or ahsoka were even alive

[@magma41158]

Damn that was fast.

[@Lavapasta]

I actually had two videos planned for December- the Clone Wars HD Remaster and this one, so I was working on them simultaneously so that I could release them within the same time frame and hopefully drive up engagement. It's not like I made this video within the span of 24 hours.

[@tiagosales4913]

Make a transformers rid 2015 review and a comparation with Rebels

[@Lavapasta]

I think i tried watching a few episodes of RiD back in the day but eventually dropped it because I got bored. Maybe I'll finish it someday, but don't get your hopes up.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

That series suffers from a lot of the dame problems Rebels suffers from.

[@tiagosales4913]

@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi rebels superior Rid inferior

[@Lavapasta]

here's the full image of my team rocket + star wars inquisitors fusion art: twitter.com/lavapasta/status/1344725638981173249

[@alzadlasarmas5580]

This is a kiddy show, unlike The Clone Wars it makes the Empire/Inquisitors/Officers/Death Troopers an incompetent group villain that can be defeated by a merry band of Mary Sue-like brats with coloured hair malfunctions and liberal-minded wardrobe "fails" completely out of place in the Star Wars setting. It is fine to have some comic relief and to have over-the-top heroics from the protagonists in "moderation" but this show does not do that. ¡¡Spoiler alert!! The mandalorian "girl" could best everyone no matter how battle hardend they were, the Twilek was the best pilot in the universe, Chopper was a super droid that defeated swathes of troopers and destroyed whole motherships such as the ISD with a simple loopback charge, rocket propelled mandalorians destroy an Interdictor cruiser with a few missiles and grenades (try doing that in Empire at War PC game), an imperial "agent" with sideburns defects to the rebels and to top it off the show ends Thrawns supposed control with a herd of giant space tadpoles!!! I spent most of the show skipping through the boring episodes and barring an underdeveloped Grand Admiral Thrawn, Darth Maul, Moff Tarkin and a momentary Darth Vader there was absolutely no excitement, monotonous predicatability and quite franky by the end I was hoping unrealistically that all the brats died by the superior mind of Thrawn.

[@dashonwilliams2777]

Ok, I get where you are coming from, but one point is Ezra definitely grew over those 4 seasons and became more mature. Another point is that I liked going with a new group, it’s good to go with the flow of new characters and show their growth, instead of going for the same concept they did before.

[@bosuper9403]

Yet we did have growth for Ahsoka and Rex. And funny how Rebels needed to constantly bring back clone wars and original trilogy characters back constantly to keep people interested. Just goes to show that the new characters they created sucked so hard.

[@alexhambre1141]

@@bosuper9403 The new characters were easily the most interesting thing about the show, especially the way the OT/CW characters were able to complement them. It's kinda funny how they brought them back 'constantly', but they were barely even in the show apart from Rex who was a side character.

[@DR.64A9]

I can see your point about the Ghost crew being inspired by the OT crew. But I strongly disagree that this show got worse over time.

[@garettments3177]

I agree with some of the points that you're saying but I find myself disagreeing with a lot of what you said. I watched Rebels first before watching Clone Wars, and thought that Rebels was amazing beforehand and still thought it was better in a lot of aspects after watching TCW. I much enjoyed how Rebels was a lot more consistent with quality and I really enjoyed the entire Spectre crew, I think the only TCW characters that come close for me with growth is Rex and Ahsoka. I don't really see the comparison between the OT crew and the Ghost crew either, I always thought they were very different and not really the same thing at all. I think that they were pretty much bound to go towards the larger rebellion since the start as well - you have one of the best pilots in the galaxy at the time and 2 Jedis, both of which would be very useful for the rebellion. And they could've definitely done more with Ezra's character but I do feel like it was limited by the fact that they also had to expand on 5 other brand new characters. Like a lot of the episodes in S3/S4 were with Sabine, if you made those episodes Ezra-based episodes we'd have a much better understanding of his character, but then Sabine would be lacking. I think a show like this just needed more time and more seasons, which I hope we get with the live-action shows. I think that Rebels was better than Fallen Order - but Rebels had a lot more time to cook so I'll need to see the FO sequel and where they take Cal's character. Cal definitely didn't have as much development as Kanan or Ezra yet though so far Overall, I think they're both fantastic shows, and they both shine and lack in different areas, but in the end they're both incredible and some of the best SW media out there. As long as you're not going into Rebels with a 'wow, this replaced clone wars!!!!!" mindset, you'll probably love it

[@bosuper9403]

I hated it.

[@garettments3177]

@@bosuper9403 That’s cool. I loved it.

[@sofialu226]

I Still love Rebels more than I like TCW. The feeling of it... I can't really explain it, but Rebels feels more.. "Alive" to me and I like Rebels Characters better than some CW characters. You can say Rebels has a lower quality, but It Is Worth Watching not as some people say (not you). And Ezra does has a character Development, by the end he is the Same but Different. Just in S1 one in the Trial when he is talking to Glitter Joda he says he sees how, what the crew do, makes people feel. Because he feels the same way around Them. He Keep Fighting, for Him and for the Others. He goes for totally selfish to Balanced between Selfishnes and Selfless to totally Selfless when he sacrifice himself. Even though he didn't die, but he made a sacrifice anyways. Sacrifice is not only about dying. And I still belive people is too harsh in Rebels. Rebels literally only had 4 Seasons to Introduce this New Characters, Develop them and the Main Plot. While TCW has 6 sesons before being cancell, to only show already well known Characters in war. Yes, in CW there were New cgaracter too, but practically none were Main. In Rebels all the Mains were new. I was never onboard on Comparing Rebels and CW because the characters from CW were secondary in here. But well, that's my opinion. And You said you still like Rebels and at least you can be respectfull. Not like those who only through shit to Rebels for the sake of it... BUT Curious thing. Latly I've seen more people finally giving a chance to Rebels and saying they actully liked it, some more than the CW others Less, others the Same and I'm happy for that :3 Honedtly. My Love fir Rebels can be related to me Having Ezra's same age when Rebels Started and Ezra's same age when it ended. You can say, we Grew together? XD But is not a "Nostalgic Bias" because it haven't been that long anyways, plus I've Rwatxhed Rebelsmany times. The "feeling" I mentioned at the beggining I feelt it since Episode 1 Towards the end.

[@garettments3177]

I agree with everything you said. I think it was a lot easier for TCW since a lot of the characters were already done with the prequels and the OT in mind and they were able to easily build off of that whereas Rebels introduced 6 new characters and only had 4 seasons to build them up. I think they did a fantastic job but they definitely could have done more if given more time. Clone Wars really only had to build up Ahsoka/Rex. I know they built up other people but they weren't as important as those two. I feel as if a lot of people just hate Rebels because they go in there with the mindset it's meant to be a replacement or a direct sequel to Clone Wars, and it's not. For me, it's always just been yet another show in the SW universe that expands on the lore. I'm so happy that more people are giving this show a chance and loving it. I feel like the Cosmonaut review is garbage and turned a lot of people off from a great show. This review is a LOT better than the CMV one but I still disagree with a good amount of the points made, but at least they make sense, don't contradict themselves every 5 seconds, are based on opinions and aren't incorrect. It baffles me on how people don't think Ezra developed throughout the series as well. They definitely should have done more with Dark Side Ezra and some other smaller points but overall his character arc was very good and will hopefully lead into a fantastic sequel show where we learn even more and see him and Sabine again.

[@sofialu226]

@@garettments3177 Yes, I agree. Hibestly, with Rebeks ending I was more interested on a Sequel to Rebels about Ezra and Thawn Adventures (xd). Than Ahsoka and Sabine looking for Ezra. Ezra does have thing to keep working on. I'm sure, if Rebels would have more seasons with more time for Ezra to develope he could become a Beloved Character like Ahsoka who was also hated at the beggining and Now a days is almost every Star Wars Fan favourite character. And if she is nit the main fvourite she is at least in the Top 5.

[@garettments3177]

@@sofialu226 You could still have a series about Ezra's and Thrawn's adventures tbh, they could have the Ahsoka series include bringing ezra home, and then maybe sometime in the future they could expand upon what Thrawn and Ezra actually did out there if enough people are interested. it's a lot better for them to go the ahsoka/sabine route rn imo though since it opens up more possibilities for future content, like ghost crew reunion , etc.

[@sofialu226]

@@garettments3177 I get it. I guess "Objectivly" going for Ahsoka/Sabine is better. But I Wish aside of that we can get an Ezra and Thrawn show. I really want to know what happened with them, what Thraen and the others Imperials did with Ezra and all. Idk, there are so many posibilities! More based on the posibilty they may have ended on the Unknown Regions! 😃

[@garettments3177]

@@sofialu226 Be cool if once they found Ezra and stuff they decided to have an animated series documenting their time missing

[@bosuper9403]

If Clone Wars is Avatar the Last Airbender 😍 Rebels is the Legend of Korra 😒

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

Ain't that the truth!

[@sheebatabal8326]

False

[@sofialu226]

No

[@garettments3177]

rebels and clone wars are both very good shows

[@dancingvalkyrie]

Wasted potential is honestly the best way to describe this show. Lots of fun ideas and concepts and really cool looking trooper designs all wasted on a story that's too afraid of growing up and maturing like TCW did.