* I was WRONG * Your FREE Toyota Remote Start Should Last a LOT Longer!

[@M.A.T.T.A.L.I.A.N.O]

There is no reason the key fob remote start should ever expire. If I keep my Toyota for 20 years, it needs to work for 20 years without having to pay for the second 10 years.

[@DUNGSTA]

Gotta pay to play...

[@lauragrandgenett]

Right! I’m thinking of going to a 3rd party vendor on that feature.

[@mt186]

Not aware of any car manufacturer that does this, this is Hardware/software feature and doesn't require any satellite connection for the key fob. Money grab honestly

[@ST-nc3gm]

I still think that is a mistake. The key fob remote start shouldn’t expire; it’s the remote start via the Toyota app that will expire without a subscription

[@mt186]

@@ST-nc3gm that's fair if so. I paid for a year of the app since I prefer it over the key fob and because I forget to lock my car pretty often so it reminds me. Lol

[@dbsantanapr]

Thanks Jeff. Please let Toyota know that I will not buy any vehicle that requires a subscription for any feature of the vehicle. (Excluding extra non-vehicle things like satellite radio, wifi, etc, of course.) and no, I am not interested in “trial subscriptions” no matter how long the trial period is. I am willing to bet that I am not the only current, past, or potential Toyota client who feels this way.

[@toronado455]

It's absurd how overly complicated Toyota has made these so-called "connected services" for owners. There are no fewer than six different "connected services" and each has a different trial period depending on the model, trim level, year, etc. (The 2022 Tundra consolidated the six services down to five LOL but with shorter trial periods). The idea that any functionality of a key fob would be considered a "connected service" is weird. Does the car "phone home" when you click a button on the key fob? Maybe only for remote start? If so, they did it wrong. (maybe that's why it takes so long to engage?)

[@EndeAbgrunds]

This is ludicrous. No sane person is going to be okay with spending upwards of 50 grand on a new vehicle and then having to "subscribe" to their own vehicles ignition system. Toyota better drop this idea or I'll take my business to Acura.

[@crystalgreenwood3791]

Same. I wouldn’t have purchased this and I won’t be purchasing another one.

[@trav-Elr]

That's right I won't buy another with this kind of pad to play business practice. Big mistake Toyota!

[@devonp5079]

I paid for remote start on my key fob. Toyota taking it away and they want me to pay for it in the future is absurd and greedy.

[@younggangstah8357]

Agreed

[@justice4053]

I've got to say, for many Toyota owners this pay-to-play... after you already paid for a simple key fob auto-start...really seems like a betrayal of the value proposition of owning a Toyota product. This is a greedy move that Toyota has calculated will keep payments flowing in if it's vehicles are to remain fully functional on the used market. If successful, it won't stop with auto-start payments. By the way, thanks for the video Jeff, you did a great job as usual, even if the material you had to cover was made over complex by Toyota for something that should not look like IRS tax code.

[@bettysmith4527]

Should be FOREVER for the key fob!! All owners revolt and don't pay!!

[@JandSmcD]

I never thought I would reconsider buying a Toyota. This little game they are playing with the FOB is a deal breaker! We had planned to buy a Highlander. Now rapidly pivoting to the competition. The FOB is the car key. It just needs to work. Period.

[@pt93music]

Toyota is really making sure aftermarket remote start companies get business. Good for them looking out for the little guy. Personally, I'd probably just give my customers the feature they've paid for... but that's just me.

[@BusterKitten]

why should there be ANY time limit on ANY (from the factory) Toyota function? This is just a way to milk more money from the buyer. P.S. love your videos Jeff.

[@youarerightboss]

A real man admits his mistakes and makes the necessary adjustments.

[@superheavydeathmetal]

But he didn’t make a mistake. He was correct in the original video. This video is incorrect.

[@bigd7481]

I still don't like charging a subscription to use remote start with the key fob but having 10 years of it free makes it a lot easier to stomach.

[@mitcHELLOworld]

Hey Jeff, I just wanted to say thank you! You were extremely instrumental in my purchasing decisions when I bought my new RAV4 XLE AWD earlier this year! You provide awesome content and I wish there was a way for you to get some sort of kickback on all sales you help on with your great content!

[@honey6216]

Love this! I just bought a RAV4 XLE AWD as well!

[@superheavydeathmetal]

@@honey6216How is the remote start working for you, now?

[@ironcladpatriot5829]

The thing I don't like about Toyotas remote start is you have to hit the lock actuator three times to get it to start it's unnecessary actuation of the locks.

[@Stewdiggy]

Thanks Jeff! I'm a lot less angry now. Thought I was losing the ability of remote start on my key fob. I'm ok with losing it through the app.

[@igeekone]

You are still going to lose remote start from the fob when the service connect trial ends.

[@antoniocognato5023]

@@igeekone wrong!!!

[@antoniocognato5023]

@@igeekone key fob start is permanent. No trial non sense

[@antoniocognato5023]

@@flounder the key fob remote start is permanent. I have it on my camry. It's the phone remote start

[@Elimporta2]

@@antoniocognato5023I got a 2019 and my trial expired I cannot use the key fob anymore 😢

[@landshass2849]

Jeff, you still got it wrong. The remote start from the fob has nothing to do with your video. All the details that you gave us are related to the remote start through the phone with the Toyota app that has the remote start function. My basic 2021 Camry LE hybrid is not eligible for a couple of functions over the Toyota app. Since my basic Camry does not allow me to remote start or locate my car over the Toyota app, I still can remote start it through the fob, which does not require a phone signal transmitting from my phone to the cell phone tower to the car cell phone service. To conclude, my remote start function through the fob will continue working with no time restriction and unfortunately you got it wrong again.

[@Elimporta2]

On my case the keyfob stopped working after I ended my subscription. I don’t know why because the keyfob don’t use any wifi signal but Toyota sucks.

[@superheavydeathmetal]

THIS VIDEO IS INCORRECT AND PROVIDES FALSE INFORMATION. Jeff, you were correct in your original video. The key fob remote start requires a connected services subscription. The free trial for this lasts for ONE YEAR. REMOTE START DOES NOT LAST FOR 10 YEARS. It expires after the connected services free trial. This has been well documented. You really should take this video down as it misleads people, as shown in the comments.

[@jaredwatford]

Just purchased a 2021 Camry XSE Hybrid, downloaded the app and connected my car to the 10yr Service Connect, then crank the car, saw it connect to the app, shut it down, got out, tried the Remote Start via FOB method he described and of course it didn't work @superheavydeathmetal is CORRECT - this FOB remote start function does NOT work without the "Connected Services" sub. My wife has a 2016 GMC Yukon XL and we can crank it from the GMC app OR her FOB with no extra sub payments required, as it should be. What a load of shit by Toyota. My wife has been thinking about going back to the new Sequoia, but after learning all this BS we won't be doing that.

[@Lexusgx550]

Should be permanent

[@Ken-vl4wk]

I don’t care about key fob remote start as its range is pretty limited. All I care is internet remote start so I can start my car with Apple Watch.

[@yopyop5546]

Appreciate the update. They need to just make it free for life.

[@guinnessman4668]

You have a great review channel, but no one should have to pay for remote start with the car fob.

[@LittleMachine89]

There’s shouldn’t be any expiration. at 10 years you own the car. I’m not paying for that shit. I will continue to walk my ass outside and start it old school. they always want more money.

[@alvinsimba734]

An aftermarket remote starter is the way to go.

[@Infiniteperspective1111]

Maybe this and maybe that on a big long list and figure this out and figure that out none of this crap matters because in this day and age with the price of vehicles there’s zero excuse for a vehicle to not be able to be started by the key fob. The people lie down for this and just pay without at least complaining are doing humanity a disservice.

[@rjstrong321]

Was about to buy a new 2023 Sequoia and found this out. Immediately started looking at GMC. Love the Sequoia but this insane to charge for. Especially when paying over $80k.

[@SBDEKING]

My 2018 Toyota LE camry side mirror use to indicate passing vehicles..l dont know what l did, it's not working.....how do l get it to work without going by the dealer

[@Toyotajeff]

I’m not by a car right now but try looking at the multi information display behind the steering wheel under settings. Look for Blindspot monitor and see if it has been turned off or BSM.

[@SBDEKING]

@@Toyotajeff ok...thanks

[@aceross4177]

Isn’t there a button on the steering wheel? My 2022 has a lane center assist and a blind spot indicator button on the steering wheel. Press to turn on or disable. Of course it can also be enabled again through your settings, but check for a BSM button on your steering wheel.You probably touched it by accident which disabled the function…

[@devonp5079]

How long does my brakes trial period last? I also got power steering and heated steering wheel, when does that “trial”service expire? Toyota has had a bad 2021.

[@dedman123b]

There is a larger problem with this. dozens of vehicle models are about to lose network access when the 3G wireless network shuts down. Some of those vehicles are only a few years old. If the Key fob requires a working compatible wireless network, the remote start only works until the network technology changes. Likely in less than 10 years. Toyota is not doing anything for their existing customers whose vehicles are affected by the current change. Will they be any more responsive in the future?

[@2927usmc]

I own a Prius Prime. Great underrated vehicle. It's my understanding that Remote Engine Start does not even apply/work/function on the Prius Prime because it starts as an EV. Correct ?

[@chispas109]

Bravo toyota. What is next? Maybe your ability to roll down the windows will need a subscription after 10 years?????

[@michaelgarrison7401]

You are an outstanding person for adding more information about the remote start. It’s OK to make mistakes sometimes. We all do,

[@busybeez194]

He is still misleading... Most people basic models which has only one year trial... After that remote start from key fob is disabled

[@rodulfol]

I just picked up my 2022 Corolla Hybrid SE, and although it does not have audio plus or come with remote connect, I can still remote start it from the key fob??? I downloaded the Toyota app, and it does not give me the option to remote start it from the app, like my 2018 Lexus does. What does this mean, I don't know? Will it stop working once my safety connect expires in a year? Very confusing, but happy that I have it on my FOB. BTW, it shocked my sales guy that I was able to remote start it from my key FOB...lol

[@tonpear5909]

Also the steering wheel becomes disconnected from the steering gear after the 10 year trial, unless you pay.

[@ronripley9197]

I have a 2021 RAV4 XLE Premium with Audio Plus bought May 1st 2021. Are both key fobs programmed to start the vehicle remotely? I'm was having a problem getting the vehicle to start with lock, lock & hold lock. Never took notice to which fob I was using. Tried them today and used mine first - no go!!!! Put mine in the house and used my wife's key fob - works great every time!!! So the question is - are both programmed to remote start the vehicle or only one? If both should be working, then I guess I need to take mine back to the dealer to have it checked out?? Help!! Thanks!

[@Jeff-yf8pf]

In ten years I'll be getting rid of car or having key fob programed to start car. Will never pay for any subscriptions. I'll bet shoe companies would find a way to charge for use if they could

[@ronaldhurley1548]

A appreciate the clarification but Toyota this is BS and confusing - I almost paid the 80 dollars and they would taken it and not said anything - almost makes me want to buy another brand. Scum bags

[@82dupont]

What if I buy an SR5 Tacoma and buy the remote start that’s installed at the dealer, is that unit for 10 years as well?

[@JeffShervey]

I have a 21 Venza Limited... The key fob remote works - but for me but its a bit unusable as the range is like 50ft. If my car is in the driveway I'll have to go outside and be very close to the car to remote start it. For all my hondas I can remote start while walking in the closed garage and using the key fob or while standing by my window nearest the driveway.

[@streetrage8694]

Thanks for the update Jeff. 10 years on my new Tacoma heck ya

[@colinhackworth5570]

I don't get it I got 2022 Corolla hybrid le and my key fob has remote start but it's not on my Toyota app?

[@ronaldidzior2916]

You have to pay,pay,pay. After 1 year trial, remote start will only work if you pay.

[@gyice]

The best thing you can do is just swap it out for an aftermarket Car Starter they have ones that do the exact same thing as Toyota's and more for around 150.00 bucks with phone App and no service fee.

[@juliomorales8642]

I have a raf 4 2024 limited I toke it to the dealer to make the start with the remote told me that's not work no more in Toyotas raf 4 it only work when you pay

[@andrewwaters3038]

Service connect isn't anywhere listed on my phone app. Looking where it tells me for MY specific car and situation....not a generalized website?

[@gabrielramirez2823]

What about Lexus?? I use the app for the remote start but the key it doesn’t work. My car es ES 350 2020 And my wife have 2021 RX 350 and the key remote it’s not work either. Any advice? Thank you.

[@indman101]

Camry 2018 Le didn't offer remote start without push start but installed my own remote start using a aftermarket Kit even having a key start.

[@dniw]

This has completely soured my experience with '21 Rav4 hybrid xle premium, i specifically asked the salesperson for remote start, since I had to aftermarket install it on my old 22 year old Avalon, never had to pay a subscription for it. TO find out a year after owning the car that I have to pay a pound of flesh to use my car is a real slap in the face. Now I'm actively trying to get rid of my Rav4 Hybrid, or rip out any and all telemetry Toyota put inside my car, and never touch Toyota anything ever again. 10 years? Why not 20? 30? 50? Why does a multi-billion dollar corporation have to keep their hands in my pocket when I pay for their car 100% cash outright including the bells and whistles. 10 years... Beyond dumb. And now they've lost a customer. And by reading from these comments it seems like a LOT of people hate this and are never going to deal with Toyota again.

[@GoldThumbGardens]

This shit pisses me off I spend nearly $60k on a new 2022 4Runner and find this shit out 9 months later. WTF fucking bullshit!

[@alvinsimba734]

@@GoldThumbGardens aftermarket remote start is the way to go... don't lose sleep over this.

[@melvismk]

what if you buy a used 2021 toyota? any connective services included?

[@martykendall6547]

Hey Jeff, you are the Toyota guy I watch. Thanks for your videos. I bought a 2021 Highlander platinum in July, ‘21, in Michigan. The remote start as well as the tailgate sensor rarely work. (I look like an idiot in a parking lot, waving my foot around with nothing happening). Also, the glasses compartment, I can rarely get it to stay closed with glasses in it and it won’t stop in the position where you can see the munchkins in the back seat. Is there any fix for these things or should I just live with it? Thanks again for your videos.

[@Werewolfjackson]

Thanks Jeff! My wife and I just got a 2022 4Runner limited and are going to get a 2022 4Runner SR5 Premium and I feel the key fob remote should just be included. Love your show and your company.

[@DUNGSTA]

Why not get something different?

[@Werewolfjackson]

@@DUNGSTA she got the limited I’m setting mine up for off road.

[@ElMachucaPapas]

Now I understand why the Toyota app doesn’t work with my 2021 Rav4 XLE AWD. I’ll been trying connect my vehicle through the app but pops up that my vehicle it’s not compatible with Remote Start when I write the VIN Number

[@rightlanehog3151]

Jeff, Thanks for clearing that up.

[@Toyotajeff]

It’s a confusing topic haha

[@rightlanehog3151]

@@Toyotajeff Not anymore!!!

[@Auroramystic]

I don’t care if the free trial last longer. I should be able to use something that I own. It’s not like it’s connected to the internet to Toyota’s server it’s just a piece of object that talks to it and the car. I don’t care if it gives me 5 years, 6, years. I should be able to use it forever it’s not like it’s sos service where it needs an connection and reach out to Toyota or paying for lte. It’s just a key fob that works with your car if it was like maybe a data service where it’s connect information towards a cell tower so you can control it out of reach like maybe it makes more sense and justify but Toyota doing this is stupid. Imaging paying to use a ac even though it’s your car and you own it and it’s just your car and the parts and everything.

[@tomman2261]

I got a23 tacoma here in Canada and was very disappointed with the fob. I can't even use it to start the truck. I gotta use that horrible app they got. Every other company gives you access to the remote start via fob and you pay for the app if you want the ability to start it anywhere. And the damn up you can't even edit how long it runs for and how many times you can start it. Plus the truck turns off as soon as you opened the door witch is extremely annoying. Is this just a damn Canada thing?

[@Blank00]

How will this affect Toyotas that are technically 2018 or newer MY, but are of the old non-TNGA design, like the 2019 Corolla sedan or 2020 Sienna?

[@soumyabrataroy3065]

Hi Sir, I have 2019 Gas Rav4. After 6 months of Remote Connect Trial I continued the paid subscription. But after 3 years I am unable to do Remote start using key fob as well as App even though subscription is active. Dealership is saying DCM went faulty but I can use the Safety Connect that uses DCM too. Can you guess anything the root cause of my issue ?

[@groove2064]

Jeff how does these service worl in the UK I have a 2019 rx 450h takumi version what happens here? As i am getting no place at all

[@jlawr4427]

Will the Remote Start on the Key FOB on the 2021 RAV Prime SE expire after ONE YEAR since it says N/A under Service Connect and One Year under Safety Connect? I see it won't expire on the XSE. Thanx.

[@desanmr]

Doesn't Seem to work on my new 2022 Corolla LE Hybrid. :(

[@brucecampbell5350]

Is this the same as a one year old car that you have brought

[@brucecampbell5350]

I don't have a computer will the dealer ship do this for me

[@glennstevenson6242]

Do you have a sales department in Australia? I would buy a car from you. You have helped me decide to buy a Kluger (Highlander) Thanks mate!

[@isaiahparks5628]

Incorrect! I have owned a 2021 Platinum Tundra the last 8 months and my key fob is already starting to not work! I called my local dealer and was informed it will start doing that before the free 1 year subscription ends then I will have to pay!

[@andrewstameson1021]

Thanks very much for clarifying How old the remote start works with a key fob, Merry Christmas!

[@10usausa]

Hello Jeff, thanks for your information, we are a big fan of your clips and videos. We just bought a brand new 2023 XLe he hybrid yesterday and we were wondering if we have that 10 year trial or not and if so, how should I know? The dealership we had a issue with them because they tried so hard to make us buy extra services and extended warranties. Therefore we just signed the paper. We got the keys and we left and nobody help us.

[@rodulfol]

So I just bought a 2022 Corolla Hybrid LE (arriving in a couple of weeks). Reviewing the model year guide, it shows the LE as having the 10 year Service Connect but N/A on Remote Connect. Does this mean I won't be able to remote start my Corolla from my key fob?

[@edgbarrios89]

Hey Jeff i have a question, I purchase a 2020 RAv4 XLE premium with the Audio Plus Package it meets all the specs for remote start but yet it doesn't have it. if I ask my dealer will they enable that feature me free of charge? your feedback is much appreciated.

[@analyrodriguez9879]

Remote start and key fob services shouldn't be subscription period. We are shelling out 10s of thousands of dollars for these vehicles we should be able to own the features outright. Shame on Toyota for doing this. I convinced my husband to consider Toyota but now because of this news he is going with ford. No subscription services with them....

[@firebir11]

It’s just another reason to keep your car simple. My 2021 4Runner has a key which I was always happy using. The destination assist and emergency assist I don’t need so I let it expire. All car brands are doing this, it’s not just Toyota.

[@rafars2246]

no car brand leaves you without remote start...

[@lauraquick9348]

Anyone find a workaround for the remote start without the connective app??

[@alvinsimba734]

You can install aftermarket remote starter. I only paid $369 Canadian for a 2 way remote starter and it does exactly what the key fob does. It runs for 15 mins before turning off.

[@MyAlex1967]

What happens after the 10 years?

[@rsxfreak79]

Your key fob explodes.

[@donthesheek]

If you never initiated toyota connect services and have remote start through the key fob it will never stop functioning, because you never input any info allowing software to screw up your system. 🤔🤦‍♂️

[@faysooo]

I have ordered rav4 style 2022 does this work in sweden 🇸🇪?

[@ugadawg94]

I’m still mad the remote start is only available with Audio Plus option on the rav4.

[@antoniocognato5023]

The limited has it

[@Peter_Wang]

Jeff - any idea why Toyota would back down to a 3-yr Service Connect subscription vs 10yrs in the case of the Prius and Tundra? Those seem to be solid just as the rest...odd-ly specific to single them out.

[@toronado455]

in the case of the 2022 Tundra it appears it's due to the new Toyota head unit, not sure why on 2022 Prius, but Prius is kind of an oddball and it has a different type of head unit, so that might have something to do with it.

[@Peter_Wang]

@@toronado455 thanks! Ni figured it was electronic related.

[@djplonghead5403]

Is the the same for Lexus? Our 2012 Lexus rx350 still has a working remote start. Press the lock button 3 times and ta da... if a new Lexus can't do 12+ years of remote start for free that is absurd! Toyota should be the same.

[@sxgaston]

Yeah this is still horrible. Ok 10 years seems like it should be long enough but it’s the business mindset I can’t get behind. 1. You know they didn’t explain this to customers. This was hidden somewhere in the contract. The fact that we are just starting to hear about this as customers are complaining proves that. 2. You can see the money grabbing business model when he’s explaining how long your subscription model is based on when you bought your car. Is it a surprise that the models currently being sold have 10 years plans. They’re basically waving their hands in front of current buyers. ‘Oh don’t worry about that’ meanwhile they screw anyone not currently buying. Remember that. Once you buy the car they don’t care about you anymore. To be clear I’m not blaming Jeff. He’s just selling the cars and explaining. This is Toyota as a company I’m mad at. And I’ll be taking my business elsewhere.

[@Auroramystic]

The phone part it’s not new and even despite me not being the happiest about it I guess I can understand but not on a key fob and your car

[@pluvse]

Does anyone know how I can activate Key Fob remote start?

[@leshiro5574]

What's next? Paying for the AC? This is hardware that I paid for. BS corporate greed.

[@chucklanholm5680]

So you were still mostly correct except for a few models and model years.

[@youarerightboss]

The Fonz had a hard time admitting that he was wr wr wrong

[@aaronklinger1939]

So im paying for the remote Start key fob option then I own it

[@tham5142]

This is crazy! Im going to buy me a remote starter from Crutchfield!

[@bettysmith4527]

Hey Toyota Jeff, can you get AWD on the HYBRID Camry? Thanks for all the great videos!!

[@charlesjackson1700]

I like Toyota vehicles and own them, however this is very cheap and controlling of them! For example.. you could buy a base 2018 Honda Accord LX which did not have automatic/remote start, buy an upgraded remote to a higher trim/ EX ..that it was included on ...get it programmed and have remote start in definitely.

[@richscott2483]

My 2023 Toyota Camry XSE fully loaded purchased in December 2022, remote did not start here in December 2023. Had to renew my Toyota App Remote Connect subscription for $80 year to get my Camry to start remotely with Key FOB. Consider that 1st year is Trial ... 9 more years with App cost increase so $90 times 9 years is $810 providing you have your vehicle that long. Toyota ripoff or scam.

[@HagsRideOrDie]

I'm going to take all the Toyota badging off my Tundra and if Toyota wants me to advertise form them they can pay my subscriptions. I think that's a good deal.

[@stevemattson4988]

Doesn't matter, part of the vehicle, should start at certain year model forward,not back model, PERIOD!!!

[@lucasfox4485]

Mine lasted a whopping 6 months on a 2022 Corolla

[@GoldThumbGardens]

Thanks for the update, this pisses me off so bad. It's like really people what the hell are we paying for then? I get with the app but the key's that I purchased with my 60 thousand dollar 2022 4Runner........ Bullshit. I'll put an aftermarket remote start on it if I still have it in 10 years. They go for like $150, are plug are play now and take like an hour to install and can be programed to your Toyota key fob.

[@alvinsimba734]

Aftermarket is way easier and cheaper than the dealer. This shouldn't be an issue.

[@joebrooks3824]

Goodbye Camry, hello Jetta SE. Factory Remote Start Standard!

[@gillo79]

Was thinking about getting a Toyota too. Nevermind

[@alvinsimba734]

You sure can.... aftermarket are way cheaper than the dealer.

[@SD-ol9os]

Thanks for the clarification! Great video!

[@lauragrandgenett]

We still love you.

[@zacharyfett2491]

Thank you for this clarification!

[@chewy6942]

I will install a aftermarket on my 2021 I bought used. To hell with the app!

[@kingstonsean]

Why are you so focused on "Service Connect" in this video when it's "Remote Connect" that enables remote starting from smart devoces. You should also note there is no renewal subscription price for Service Connect. Why is that? It's because you cannot renew it unless you also select one of Safety Connect, Remote Connect or Destination Assist. Service Connect doesn't appear to give me anything that I shouldn't already be able to get from a combination of a competent dealership and my owner's manual. In other words, there's no value-add.

[@Toyotajeff]

Great comments. You will keep the factory remote keyless entry starting as long as you have any of the connected services and I focused on service connect because that is the longest trial one for most models. 10 years

[@kingstonsean]

@@Toyotajeff I think you need to look at this again. The way I read it you will only be able to keep the Remote Start function after the one year trial is if you renew the Remote Connect subscription. The other connected services have nothing to do with your Remote Start. This video was supposed to be about Remote Start, but by focusing on Service Connect you have appeared to only confuse people even more as evidenced by many of the comments, like this one "I still don't like charging a subscription to use remote start with the key fob but having 10 years of it free makes it a lot easier to stomach".

[@Toyotajeff]

@@kingstonsean OK well that’s what the communications department at Toyota told me and I think I have it pretty clear. Sorry if it was confusing.

[@kingstonsean]

Anyway, this all may be moot in the end. From The Drive website: ""The subscription truly is for the app," a Toyota spokesperson told The Drive. "The key fob remote start was never intended to be a cost item either at the time of purchase or through subscription." (The start command flows through the DCM regardless of the source of the command and the DCM is programmable)

[@ELRATONSITO]

Thanks for the info

[@roberthicks686]

Looks like what they are going to do in 10 years is charge an extra premium for Service Connect vs the $80 year for Remote Connect. Who knows how much that's gonna cost. Let's milk more money for people who have their car for more than 10 years.

[@igeekone]

No no this is still BS. Bad on Toyota for putting an expiration date on the fob. The 3 years only on a Prius is embarrassing.

[@barriemader]

I have a 2020 Rav4 Hybrid Limited here in Canada. It's almost 2 years old now. The app stopped working at the one year mark but the remote start still works on the fob, but for how long, 3 or 10 years maybe. I also checked my app today and all of the connected services require payment after 1 year, WOW! $30 a month. Shame on them. As for supply chain issues. I was in my dealer the other day and the wait time for Rav4 Prime is now a whopping 2 years with a $1000 dollar non refundable deposit. This will be my last Toyota. Car company's had better get their acts together and start producing more vehicles. Toyota pushed the Rav4 Prime to consumers but can't deliver since they only have 1 plant in Japan making them. Total failure of their supply chain. Shame on Toyota!!

[@oldscout2514]

It should be free for remote start forever !! Greedy Greedy Toyota !!