"I was wrongly jailed for 2 years" - Fawad Hasan Fawad on Corruption and NAB -

[@fahd6757]

Good podcast. But I think he didn’t get the elite bro question or avoided it. Going to a govt college in Lahore or Pindi puts you ahead vs going to a govt college in FATA. Being a punjabi, sunni, male from Lahore/ISB/Pindi, you are already ahead of others at the starting line

[@khawajth]

He didn't understand it. I can almost certainly vouch for that. He would've given a very different answer otherwise.

[@mindandsoul90]

بیوروکریٹ کے بغیر سیاست دان کرپشن کر سکتا ہے؟ باتوں سے یہ سب فرشتےلگتے ہیں۔ ملک تو عام آدمی نے لوٹا ہے۔

[@honorhonor3352]

When everyone is innocent, we are all guilty.

[@Irfan.the-Alpha-Khan]

The man seems like a very insecure bureaucrat. He gave absolutely no suggestions on how to improve the country it's governance structure or the prevailing problems. Most of the podcast he was only testifying to his innocence.

[@umairkhanworld]

Awesome, would love to see syed talat hussain @STH on your podcast .

[@ahhmadfarooq4619]

I thought fawad sahab would elaborate on institutional reforms, notorious bureaurocratic redtape , development of his institution , how his institution views itself within Pakistan and it interacts with the country's internal environment , its failings and success, its colonial legacy etc . Hopefully we hear about it next time when he's on.

[@JavedIqbal-vg8pj]

آپکی اکثر باتیں درست ھونگی ۔ لیکن جب ھم نے تخیا کر رکھا ھے کہ اس ملک میں کوئی کام درست نہیں کرنا ۔ اگر درست کام کریں گے تو ملک ترقی کر جائے گا ۔ اس لیئے نہ ھم درست کام کریں اور نہ ھمارا ملک ترقی کرے سیدھی سی بات ھے ؟ ھم نے ملک چلانا ھو تو ؟ ھم نے ملک چلانا ھی نہیں ھے

[@contentweaverz2438]

I am always in awe of the complex words that bureaucrats have for example the term toupee and topi are so similar in terms of etymology. Impressive stuff really.

[@MontQ]

Thank you for your work! This podcast should be required listening for people in power. My own family suffered immensely because NAB was used to implicate a family member as a scapegoat for fraud committed by a senior General. NAB Investigation Officer was a retired Major who didn’t know what a Letter of Credit is. NAB prolonged the case for 14 years after which the court acquitted. NAB and ATA are among the black laws of Pakistan.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Thank you. Sorry about your experience

[@ahaanmisra4892]

It's sad that this is the way administrative machinery operates across the world!!!

[@ahsanamir3491]

If he is as innocent as he is claiming then the time wasted from his life is a huge crime and whoever is responsible should be brought to justice. Great podcast 👍

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Thank you

[@khawajth]

We all know who is responsible. Bringing them to justice is akin to climbing K2 without any gear aka not happening

[@mfaraz7336]

Every one has an explanation for what the did, whether they are from pti pmln ppp or establishment Only culprit in this country is people living below poverty line. Dhoob ka mar jao beghiraton

[@kayaar00]

haqeeqat beyaan kee hai aapney

[@umairkhanworld]

How sad k aik qabil officer k sath esa solook kia gya ho aur wo b bina kisi thos saboot k. THANKS TO IMRAN BAJWA ONEPAGE

[@deepthinker2671]

Very talented and professional bureaucrat

[@abbasshah4488]

Sir, I condemn what was done to you. Do you remember what you did to Chairman Wapda Syed Raghib Abbas Shah? You have lobbied against him because he was a technocrat. You compelled him to resign. Because you wanted to appoint a bureaucrat.

[@Cric-xq8wd]

U should get 6,50,000 of rolex watch in 1, 50, 000 from thosha khana and then people would call u on podcast to give lecture on corruption.. lol🤗🤗..

[@arifkarim6110]

اتنی نہ بڑھا پاکی داماں کی حکایت دامن کو ذرا دیکھ ذرا بند قبا دیکھ

[@kanizkhan2763]

Please try to explain what acronym are as I for one not familiar with Pakistan political parties or other organisations. My knowledge is drawn from your podcasts...I don’t read Urdu literature.

[@al-warisbuilders7034]

PPCBL stands fr Punjab Provincial Cooperative Bank Limited...

[@malikShoaib-fj6fj]

Shahzad I just felt that @13:12 you interrupted Fawad deliberately. Did you have any ulterior motives behind that?

[@PoojaKandarpa1]

Love your podcasts man.. watched the one on Lyari with Waqas and of course , the lates one on Gen Musharraf…kudos ..amazing brevity and the editing at a different level👏🏼👏🏼

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Thank you!!!!

[@JAQ1988]

He runs brothels in Islamabad everybody knows this Dalla

[@TheDartholiver]

I;m pretty sure that the first poetic verse is a reference from the bible!

[@anambutt8127]

Meri ama rose petal tissue nahi istemal karnay deti thin, wo sirf drawing room main mehmano k liay thay 🥲

[@dr.javidiqbal265]

This is an individual opinion as he has gone through this accountability. Therefore, he is referring to it as the worst time period. The same was done when NS used Saif ur Rehman for accountability. Just as affected people. The question is any money trail given by NS for purchase of properties.

[@excellingwithameer]

how to get the book he mentioned by the author muahmmad waseem..... response shall be appreciated

[@wasifbaloch]

We know what NAB do, we also know what our bureaucrat do and also know how they become Haji after retirement 😀

[@pranav.saraswat]

Great podcast! Only miss was Fawad not understanding your question on 'owning up your privilege', would've loved to know his views on it.

[@sahilnagpal7050]

uzair younis ka kab aayega bhai?

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Another week

[@tahiriqbal5174]

bro plz mention the recommended books

[@anambutt8127]

Mera bhai aur Army chief ka bhai school k dost hain, qurbaan jaoun ap sb ki mazloomiat pai... wesay sahi keh rahi thi wo elite podcast wali gori, aise banti hai na elite class.

[@muhammadali-pu2wg]

Rishi Kapoor SA ziada Raza Murad lag rhy Han guest 😁

[@ziaullahshah79]

فواد حسن فواد کو سننے کا مزہ آگیا۔ کمال کا بندہ

[@ThePakistanExperience]

He speaks well for sure

[@nanaoseiampim4728]

They’re all two heads of the same coin.

[@whiteocean7555]

If bureaucrats were really willing to work, there would have been no Marshal law. Look at India. Their civil Establishment was strong compared to the military Establishment. Politicians come and go, Bureaucrats stay. Politicians were bashed into walls, Army is being right now. Bureaucrats next.

[@zahidiqbal439]

I feel sorry for fawad Hassan fawad, this is one of the reason, i left pakistan

[@gauravipal9518]

This was jaw dropping. Shows how compromised the judiciary is. Also what poor integrity Imran had that he was willing to put an innocent man in jail simply because he refused to give false evidence against his political opponents. Future generations of Pakistanis will thank you for documenting this horror story which by no means was unique.

[@khawajth]

Sadly, it is much worse than this. They have been doing this for decades.

[@ahaanmisra4892]

I love the middle class definition of Pakistan!!!😂😂😂😂 By the definition...the per capita income of the country should have been the highest in the world!!!

[@muhammadali-pu2wg]

Family Ka sath Jo hoa inki Mostly yehe 1 harba ha pakistan ma log Kam karnay SA katratay han

[@Historelic]

I used to listen to Dr Shahid Masood and I first heard FHF's name from him, actually he would talk about Fawad at least for 10 minutes in his programme and for a year or so in every episode he would touch on corruption in general and Fawad in particular but not a single time did he clarify why Fawad was arrested and what were the accusations against him and now we hear that nothing's been proven against him. To be honest the waters have been so muddied that even if there's a genuine case against someone it is NAB that seems to be the real villain.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Exactly. The way NAB was run was a joke. Even if there was corruption their witch hunt approach muddled the entire waters.

[@liliths_]

Shahzad have you single-handedly taken the responsibility to disillusion people regarding all politicians? Wether someone can talk nicely, like this guy, or PTI aggressiveness, …..they are all highly unlikeable. You become a millionaire from being a middle class and your brother did it? Do these people not realise that how they come across? Are Pakistani people really that gullible to buy all the “woe is me” stories?

[@DrAamirAbbas]

It's ironic how Shahzad asks leading questions which are favouring some guests and when other guests are there he ask leading question in the opposite direction Shahzad you still need to objectively ask questions without bias in this specific interview it's quite evident that you are not questioning rather favouring the respondent

[@ThePakistanExperience]

thelatimergroup.com/what-is-listening-bias-and-how-can-we-overcome-it/

[@DrAamirAbbas]

I dont understand the reason for sharing this link in response to this comment are you implying that I am a biased listener? Apologies but you will need to educate me

[@syedjaffarali1391]

I agree with you. I have heard the entire monolog. Usually, his guns are all blazing against some guests, which we love him for, but this interview seemed to be favoring FHF. I love Ali Zaidi podcast and love how Shehzad gave him a tough time. This podcast was the total opposite.

[@DrAamirAbbas]

@@syedjaffarali1391 this is exactly I am trying to tell him but he decided to call my listening biased reflective of his self conceit and inability to accept and acknowledge the obvious bias one reason which is obvious that when someone comes assertive to Shahzad he takes the back seat while if someone opens up for discussion he opens his verbal guns and turn the whole podcast into interrogation he has been disrespectful to some of his guests like Muzammil (podcaster) and Ali Zaidi - disclaimer I am not a PTI supporter Shahzad if you want to excel in this field you need to show more professionalism and similar attitude to all the participants

[@basiljaved6410]

What question should have been asked? You have a specific question in mind?

[@zurezkhan]

FHF is possibly the most refined and eloquent buoy from Pindi who has gained such prominence.

[@rabiashafi6500]

V v v nice ....ahahzad 👍👍👍👌👌

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Thank youu

[@AsadRehmanism]

It was a very insightful podcast. Just one question, How come Banks granted the loan of 2.5 billion rupees on the property of 50 cr only? It means the Plaza of 1 Billion rs was already there. Don't know but this seems fishy.

[@ayushvikhe7294]

Saare Indians uzair wala pod kabhi wait kar rahe hai 😂

[@ThePakistanExperience]

India par hay na 😅

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Atleast some of it

[@ayushvikhe7294]

@@ThePakistanExperience haa bro isiliye hi😂

[@sidoptom]

He looted Tosha khana

[@alpeshvasaya5753]

Excellent podcast.very 1st time Shezad bro looked under confident or looked under the pump in this podcast. Who all agree with ??

[@an_orange8911]

Bhai he is over-confident only when it comes to PTI.

[@RaghbatTV]

ApCPEC energy projects Kay blunder ka nhi poocha ??

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Which blunders?

[@maqboolahmed5026]

Ye bohat jhoot bol raha hy .

[@zukhiro]

Just a thought: Is the fact that there are only 70 families at the top a factor of our small economies? Should we not compare wealth statistics as percentage of our population of economy size?

[@sherkhan2416]

Plz do one with ahad cheema

[@talhaisrar9580]

Good man

[@mohsanmahmood2452]

Total opposite demnor compared to your last podcast with Ali Zaidi. Still appreciate the effort tho..

[@aforashfaq1]

Yar kia krty ho. Too Glad to contribute keh ky sara CCS top ka bharam khol dety.

[@DailyMotivationDose-qt7nw]

It hurts to know how our respected bureaucrats had been treated in our country.

[@an_orange8911]

"Respected" lol 🤣

[@tahiriqbal5174]

@@an_orange8911 lagta h u failed css repeatedly LOL 🤣

[@an_orange8911]

@@tahiriqbal5174 Alhamdulillah, I'm happy earning my halal money and without ruining people's lives. You might have an appetite for haraam money but I don't.

[@khawajth]

@@an_orange8911 Maybe you didn't hear the part about what his pension and that of other bureaucrats is. I think you have somehow missed every aspect of what he talked about in the podcast. What a shame...

[@munmunhazarika5247]

Bro, principal secretary to PM is interrogated by a comedian... End of times is near. Ps: invite d dude again, ask him on governance, beuracratic reforms, colonial hangover, secularism, Islam and modernity, developing work ethics , etc etc

[@gulistankhan8096]

Ye baatien to kisi bhi textbook mein mil jayengi

[@munmunhazarika5247]

@@gulistankhan8096 Nam toh bolo books ka!!

[@gulistankhan8096]

@@munmunhazarika5247 ap bohat kamyab honge life mein

[@kamranhaider14]

Ideas are peaceful, history is violent.

[@MrKathayat]

1st

[@ThePakistanExperience]

🙌

[@umairyaqoob2307]

Har department main pas officers guse huene hene again vohi Rona dhona, foreign consulates or wto representative tak ki posts ye lete hene and then they complain

[@hannanbaig7888]

57:32 - 58:40 Must watch

[@supertaliban1000]

FYI, this elite middle class thing is really blinding your judgement. Paint everyone with the same brush. Suggest you do some research on how elite the Kayani family was before he rose the ranks. Also with the political correctness, shaming him for insulting disabled bet you let so much pass in your comedic circles. Based on your logic, there wouldn't be any stand up comedians because something will always offend someone. Would love to understand how you reconcile comedy with this pointless correctness you uphold in so many podcasts.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

If you think there won't be any comedy without making fun of disabled people then you need to learn a lot more about comedy buddy.

[@al-warisbuilders7034]

PPCBL pae sawal Gol kia Uncle nae....🤪🤪🤪

[@musab315]

Shehzad bhai i think you need to give special sessions to our whole youth to how to have balls like yours’ 😂👍love and respect always increases for you by every podcast i watch❤️❤️

[@ThePakistanExperience]

baaron say seekha hay mai nay toh: ghias1.rssing.com/chan-32695831/all_p3.html Thank you

[@jachhi]

they are all innocent. none of them did anything wrong yet here we are.

[@murtazaali7038]

Would have been nice if Shahzad you were more prepared to do followup questions on housing scheme scandal. Fawad sahab went into a lot of details as per his line of speech. But anyways we did get to hear some perspective which is a good starting point.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Sari kee sari case files parhni parti toh know those intricacies. And they aren't digitally available. I am only as good as the primary reporting on the subject.

[@CaptainAwesomeness]

A great yet annoying interview. It was an eye-opener as to how revenge politics happens behind the scenes and really how ineffective most all government agencies, including NAB and the judiciary are in actually pursuing justice. I felt bad for you the entire time because I could tell that you thought that Fawad Hasan Fawad had completed his answer, when you would try ask the next/follow-on question you would realize that he was still speaking. These types of interviewees are the most difficult to read and I could tell you were also getting a bit frustrated. I wonder if prior to conducting interviews, you get to have a conversation with your guests and inform them of an expected decorum so this way both of you aren't cutting each other off inadvertently or otherwise.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Nahee. Usually both of us find the rhythm of the conversation. Fawad sahab speaks slowly and is really measured with his words so thori mushkil horahi thi. Was also mindful of the time since he had a flight right after this podcast so wanted to get in things before our cut off. We did eventually go over that time but still bureaucracy toh discuss kee hee nahee

[@CaptainAwesomeness]

@@ThePakistanExperienceby the way would like to meet you over the next month or so. Is that a possibility for a Pakistani-American to see you or are you afraid you might be accused of mudakhlat? 🤣😂 It is a serious question though. I am planning on visiting Karachi in April or May. 🙂

[@murtazasikander7632]

call up the guy who recently stole i think close to half a billion in cash from some sindh road project in cash and by the end of that podcast we all will be apologizing to him as the courts wouldnt have found anything against him and we would be his new fans.

[@drr6790]

Sadly your podcast have become way too mainstream , also I don't see guest from left again

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Sir hum ek leftist podcast hay. Left ko kabhi nahee choray gai hum. Abhi toh recently Waqas aayai thay

[@khadija4801]

😊❤❤

[@ThePakistanExperience]

❤

[@RayyankhanUK]

Bhai wht lethal question

[@chaos-e-calm]

Shehzad teri jurrat/mehnat ko salam.... in podcasts ka magnitude abi kisi ko smjh nai ayega.... kuch saalon bad in ko log pause kr kr k sunenge

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Thank you!!

[@abdaalahmad5483]

5:10 no such hadith exists......

[@anarkali_217]

Get aitazaz Ahsan n ask him about sharifs corruption or was sharifs targeted as welll n change to NAB laws since u are also a lawyer would be fun

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Will try to get him. Mushkil guest hay to bring on, no access to him. If anyone can help make it happen, please do.

[@ziaullahshah79]

نیب ایک جعل سازی کا ادارہ ہے : کمال است

[@NVRMND-lg6jg]

I can’t understand when everyone is right then who is wrong. Why our country is failing to grow.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Everyone is wrong. Everyone just thinks they're right.

[@Voices4Change]

"First time US kab gye?" 😂

[@thegallantgirl8193]

Excellent podcast ! Can u please call asher azeem gill ?

[@mbs0710]

shady,,,shady guy

[@dentalknowledge25]

exceptional work ! mujhe ye nae samajh a rahi log aik civil servant ka podcast sun k nichay itni mushkil angreezi me nukta cheeni q krnay lag gaye hain 😂 , when i listened to this podcast i just said this is my mind " boy is not spitting fire today i think he is letting FHF let it all out on his own " and which to my surprise worked really well . shehzad bhai tum FHF ko aik bar phir bula k NG type PC kr lo in comments walo ki thandi ho jaye

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Aadmi 2 saal jail kaat kar aya tha mai kya grill karta yaar

[@dentalknowledge25]

@@ThePakistanExperience woi to lekin awam just want to see k shehzad us sab ki taraf extra pushy ho jo log zara se bhi n league ki taraf jhukay huay hoon . khair kuch to log kahein ge ....

[@arsalansaqib9438]

What was the name of the book (by the full name of the author Waseem something)?

[@ThePakistanExperience]

www.hurstpublishers.com/book/political-conflict-in-pakistan/ April kee book of the month hogi TPE book club kee

[@factbehindthethings6472]

Great

[@zahidparvez3415]

Fawad Hassan comes across as a very confident ,competent ,composed and upright person who knows what he is talking about . The questions put to him were also very pointed and blunt based on sound research and understanding . A very well conducted interview .

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Thank you

[@madbrology]

u r love fawad!

[@muhammadali-pu2wg]

01:07:33 Kamal ho gya . Bhutto sahb na 22 families k karobar ko hathya Ker economy tabah Ker Di. India ma Tata ,Birla,ambani jo Congress k zamany SA thy wo AJ bh ameer Han aur India koazboot BNA rhy Han ..

[@muhammadali-pu2wg]

Is delusion SA bahar ana paray ga.. South Korea (k jinhay Pakistan na economic policy BNA Ker Di)ma Samsung etc k owner , Adani ambani India pm k sath influence hongy. Lkn unko bhagaya nhi gya nationalize k naam per

[@AliZee909]

I was contemplating becoming a Patreon because i generally enjoy your podcast on social and societal issues. You are in your element their and do a good job of educating and entertaining. But when it comes to politics, I feel your bias is very obvious. Which is also fine if it is clearly disclaimer-ed. The impression I got from some of the recent episodes is that of a platform that is acting as a laundry for Nabil Gabol, Ahsan Iqbal and now Fawad Hassan Fawad and their like. I will become a Patreon the day you will take the kids gloves off with PDM folks as well. I would really like to see a platform that is truly independent and progressive and drives the conversation forward impartially.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Becoming a Patron is not is upto you. I have an opinion and I don't hold it back. Dry clean toh nahee kia in teeno ko mai nay. The NG podcast was followed by the Waqas podcast. Here also I push back to FHF. I want the audience to decide what they think of him, my idea is to bring it all on the record. I didn't pass any judgment on Ali Zaidi too.

[@f.50]

You can keep your little 5 dollars to yourself. As soon as you guys mention the word "bias", the word youthia comes to our mind and we're most likely not wrong.

[@AliZee909]

@@ThePakistanExperience I really enjoyed the Ali zaidi episode. you pushed him hard and he didnt have satisfactory answers for some questions. Ahsan Iqbal aur FHF sahab ko aap achi wide distance dai rahay thai in my opinion bach k nikal jaanay ka. Baharhaal maybe I'm wrong :)

[@f.50]

@@AliZee909 who hurt me? What are you, my ex? And so much cream came out when you dick rode IK though

[@waleedabbas4996]

@@AliZee909 Not sure about the bias part but I agree with the last bit. Ahsan Iqbal/FHF were subjected to far less scrutiny than Mustafa Nawaz/Ali Zaidi for example.

[@muhammadarsalan4183]

Please invite Umar saif to Podcast.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

I've tried

[@akramRabab-yp3pq6pf5u]

Be neutral 👈

[@randomdosing7535]

I can't buy it that he's not corrupt, but he's right about selective accountability for political gains not for national gains.

[@Outofthisworld794]

53:25 "ap pehli bar US kb gae"🙊

[@ThePakistanExperience]

😅

[@fsaqib]

Why do you guys take so long to upload new episodes on the podcast streaming sites? This episode is still not available to listen to.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Last episode was uploaded the same day. Ye wali mai bhool gaya my bad. Will upload today

[@laraibfatima1663]

Great podcast!

[@ThePakistanExperience]

🙌

[@umairyaqoob2307]

1:11:23 bas kr dene Fawad sab, same arrogancy, complacency, 3 gariyan to commissioner at a time use kr sakta he yar, or secretary ek car use krta he vo bhi monetization pe, lol 😂

[@nazimhussain4531]

beautiful bureaucrat..he must be teaching now..and universities must be paying him in millions...

[@SyedMSawaid]

1:10:03 That silence. xD

[@shahidkhan-no4bs]

You could have pushed him on " A federal secretary(Bps-21) gets 1 car". I live by a DC (Bps-18) house, he has 2 in his house plus 1 for himself with a 1 squad.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Ghalat letay hain na extra cars

[@ThePakistanExperience]

I said kay jis terhan log rehtay hain is way beyond this toh are they corrupt

[@SSS-dr8hl]

It depends upon posting. A secretary has one sedan car, but a field D.C. can have multiple. An AC of any city in punjab has Corolla, while the same AC will have V8 when he is posted in Balochistan.

[@ExcelMasterguru]

Big fan of you. ❤

[@ThePakistanExperience]

❤

[@muhammadnofal2290]

Good content

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Thank you!

[@saadiftikhar2000]

I agree with Ali Haider Zaidi that you are bit anti-PTI. I have noticed that you have thrown quite harsh questions on him, which I quite enjoyed as a PTI supporter, but you are throwing much softer questions with a "correct me if I am wrong" tone to Fawad, which is consistent with most of your podcast with a PMLN member and is not really great for the podcast.

[@ThePakistanExperience]

Same questions thay boss. Ali Zaidi was more fiery toh meri bhi wohi energy thee. Ahsan Iqbal and Fawad Hasan Fawad were calm toh mai bhi ek calm tha. 2-3 times in the middle this is the same as the Ali Zaidi podcast.

[@TravelwithUR]

Best part was Rishi Kapoor 😂

[@ThePakistanExperience]

😅

[@khawajth]

Kasme. I thought I was the only one who thought he looked like he could be Rishi's brother. Looks more like a brother than Randhir does anyway 😂

[@zahidiqbal439]

This is how Truth speaks