I Watched the Fizzling Death of Billion Dollar Franchises | AQUAMAN 2 VS THE MARVELS

[@AmandaTheJedi]

I bet Kamala watches KZbin and knows to go to buyraycon.com/jedi for 20% off her order, plus free shipping!

[@mabusestestament]

Really?

[@mediamass1404]

1:25 Wow its almost like you've been ignorring the last 5 years people giving indebt specific explanations of what actually hate about bad movies and just rewrote forced divercity as divercity in your brain. Fun fact I get my news on tolkien from a bisexual black man who got called a neonazi for not liking gay iceman six years ago, where the fuck have you been all this time?!

[@steeviewoo]

23:41 That's not Barbara Streisand, and you are mixing up two completely unrelated songs.

[@mabusestestament]

@@mediamass1404 Relax man.

[@altromonte15]

"movie does poorly in test screenings, they spend a hundred millions in reshoots, movie is exactly as bad as before" is one of the most fun trends in modern blockbusters

[@andrewklang809]

Writing a good screenplay is not only the most important part of filmmaking, it's also the cheapest. But executives don't understand good writing, and they don't think the audiences (should) care.

[@alexacarrillo4339]

@@andrewklang809it does feel like many if not most movies have a problem with the writing(I see it in TV shows as well). We are past the wow of CG making up for bad writing but studios are doubling down on the way things look instead of focusing on the screenplays.

[@mikebickle823]

​@@andrewklang809 entertainment is aimed at women who are passively watching things while they're scrolling on their phone. Executives know they won't notice or care about plotholes/mistakes/shit writing because they're consuming it and won't remember it anyway.

[@andrewklang809]

@@mikebickle823 Why or why doesn't anyone think of white men? Why does nobody ever market to us?? We're the most underseen, underheard, under-advertised-to persecuted group of all time. Everywhere you look, it's movies starring women, directed by women, written by women, produced by women. Like sometimes even every month. Are there no white guys in Hollywood anymore???

[@ashiihideeshchiinii6158]

In the comics, Black Manta kills Arthur’s baby. It wouldn’t surprise me if that storyline was in the film. In the ending, every protagonist was in horror and shock. Where the heroes are at Antarctic, royal blood 🩸 needs to emancipate Evil King. Seems like a reshoot.

[@Unsureshelby]

I love that the marvels was less than 2 hours and spent like 5 mins of that runtime to show a cat montage 😂

[@shaibear]

And that 5 minutes was the best scene in the movie 😂

[@KironX1]

Honestly if they made an entire movie just with the cats on a cat planet with zero dialogue, I’d pay to see it.

[@owenleal]

Theyre real for that lowkey 😂😂

[@sarahmartinez7116]

They know what everyone came to see

[@Nico6th]

@@shaibear Yes! I love the cat scene :D

[@tuckershuff1441]

The CEOs of these studios never studied the Fall of the Roman Empire and it shows.

[@SamuraiMujuru]

Not entirely sure how a centuries long process applies to decades long franchises.

[@johnracine4589]

How often do you suppose Dave Zaslav thinks about the Roman Empire?

[@YakBat]

They're American studios. Despite claiming to love the Roman Empire, no American really understands it. Otherwise why try to emulate them to the point of failure?

[@DavidGowers]

@dylanrodrigues Why? I mean, the Roman Empire is right there!

[@ugh_dad]

@@SamuraiMujuru It took place over such a long period of time with so many different things going on you can use it to see whatever you want, like reverse Nostradamus predictions for the r/imsosmart crowd.

[@shaliekk]

"He doesn't have to sing?" "Yeah, he's biligual" this line is hilarious

[@everforward5561]

A big reason is villains. A great hero is largely associated with his best villains. The villain in the Marvels was just...NOTHING. There was nothing to her. No big hook, barely a connection to the characters, and died without knowing much about her. Aquaman 2 was much the same. They somehow found a way to make BLACK MANTA an uncompelling villain.

[@earn-chan]

You could make a story entertaining while having a shit villain. Just look at GOTG no one remember ronan but the heroes is so captivating people forgot about everything else

[@jasonellis4330]

​@@earn-chaneach but they said a big reason, not the only reason. If you have a forgettable villain you NEED the memorable heroes, and these movies dont

[@benabramowitz18]

How did Marvel turn things around with Villains for Phase 3, then immediately forget afterwards?!

[@JD867]

"How about. . . another Kree villain with a hammer?" "Ooh. What's her evil plan?" "Eh, basically spaceballs." "Genius!"

[@Tuaron]

While Dar-Ben (or whatever it is) was pretty forgettable, I at least felt the impact of her actions, particularly on the Skrull planet. Aquaman 2 lacked any real sense of its stakes, even if they'd bring it up a bunch.

[@shadowhawk225]

I'm not gonna lie I hade ZERO clue Aquaman 2 was out. I don't think I've seen a single person talk about it or a hint of an ad on any social media platform I'm on. That can't be good.

[@francinesmith1889]

Likely because of the negative media attention over one of the cast member's "he said, she 💩" divorce...

[@f.carasind4188]

Interestingly it made 434 million dollars worldwide regardless.

[@Audrey_Too]

That's a loss for the studio as they needed​ about 500m just to break even

[@f.carasind4188]

@@Audrey_Too The production cost was an estimated 205-215 million dollar and you usually double this to include marketing and such things. So even in the worst case it wasn't a loss. And Warner decided to not really promote the movie much so the costs should have been lower than usual in this regard.

[@Audrey_Too]

@f.carasind4188 that cost doesn't include the cost of reshoots

[@pr0t34n]

The script: "the oricalcos is producing too many greenhouse gases" The studio: "let's represent greenhouse gases by having a volcano spew green gas"

[@iamsocks]

The Marvels might not have the tightest plot or be my favourite movie, but every time Goose appears on screen in it and the first Captain Marvel movie, my cat gleefully wags his tail and gets close to the tv and rubs up against it. I think he thinks it's a mirror since Goose and him look so alike, but it brings him happiness and that's the most I could ever ask for from a movie.

[@M.M.Y.B]

The best representation you never asked for in a movie.

[@svetanguyen4378]

"there were aspects of the Aquaman movie that i do like" - cuts to topless Jason Momoa 😂(I know it was unintentional, but that seemed funny)

[@theoraexplora]

The Marvels was a lot of fun but wasn't focused enough on the things they know work from Ms Marvel and "just fun" films in general (how did we not get a full Bollywood style dance sequence after RRR showed it works???)

[@AmandaTheJedi]

yeah the aladna scene was a wasted opportunity now that you mention it

[@hermionehp1100]

@@AmandaTheJediI might have actually liked that scene if we got some Bollywood style dancing! It just get awkward instead

[@gingerdog8203]

I'm pretty sure there was originally one but they cut it after test screenings

[@hufflepuffer2477]

I am sorry, but what is RRR? :)

[@sabate1194]

I thought the Marvels was fine, not amazing but not a bad way to spend one and a half hours. The only thing that annoyed me was that if Carol could fix the Kree sun that easily why couldn't she have done it earlier?

[@sandythemaster6898]

Cute kittens eating screaming people while MEMORY plays in the background is something I NEVER could have guessed and yet it did happen and I'm happy about it.

[@miriamkasseris9313]

That was peak cinema right there. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@claytonberg721]

I also enjoyed the planet where everyone sings. That flick is under rated. It's not avengers infinity war but it's better than any ant-man movie, and probably better than the first captain america movie.

[@Brentegg]

The mcu is trying to stay at endgame levels and they just cant

[@katherinealvarez9216]

I just say the MCU is in a rebuilding phase but it's taking longer than I thought it would. Oh well

[@Brentegg]

@katherinealvarez9216 i dont think they can rebuild at this point the general public just is tired of it, not that they hate it just that they arent interested in anymore

[@katherinealvarez9216]

@@Brentegg well, it has been...like over ten years.

[@Valkbg]

@@katherinealvarez9216 Rebuilding in quick sand

[@flamemasterelan]

I've been reading One Piece since the Live Action dropped, and it struck me that it does exactly what the MCU fails to do. Every major saga builds up to a climactic fight, huge stakes, lives on the line, etc. And then right after, they sail to an island where they just go around looking for a treasure map, or playing a bunch of silly pirate games with a guy who cheats. You can't run at 100% all the time, you have to reset the stakes and give some down to earth stuff. A lot of their Disney + series could have been a good chance for them doing this...if it weren't for the fact that they were airing against The Eternals, No Way Home, Dr. Strange 2, and mixed in with the likes of Loki, The Marvels, etc. - all stories that had world or multiverse ending stakes. Just give us a street-level superhero and don't have the final conflict be about whether or not the villain will set off a nuclear bomb in the intergalactic highway or whatever.

[@ArtemisPearl]

The MCU initially worked because there was not a lot of content. You had to wait years but you knew it was going to be amazing once it came out. Now you have to watch a million TV shows to keep up on a paid streaming platform. And there is no guarantee the movies will be good

[@Mario_Angel_Medina]

I think it also helped that in the beginning they didn't anounce to the public the line-up of the entire phase, so things like the post-credit scenes felt more impactful. Back in the day was "wow! They will do an Ant-man movie next?!" while nowadays is "yep, that's Ghost Rider, he will join the MCU just like they told us it would three years ago" ... the X-Men cameos are still surprising, but after _Madame Web_ I'm pretty sure everybody with the smallest interest on superhero films will become aware that the teases more likely aren't short and vague to build suspense but because of right issues or behind-scenes dissagreements that haven't been settled yet

[@danielramsey6141]

@@Mario_Angel_Medina Let’s be honest here. Anything that Sony decides to do without Disney’s help is considered Non-canon to the Actual MCU. But they Did Make Venom Part of the MCU. Morbius is Non-canon because it doesn’t make Any Sense. And as for Madame Web. The Less we talk about that the better. I also would like to Consider Secret Invasion to be a Massive Flop!

[@dragonrana88]

@@danielramsey6141 A big problem is a lot of casual viewers who help push up the initial box office dont know the difference. Even the actress thought they were going to be in the MCU, they tagged Marvel Studios in posts before deleting and fixing it.. Dakota Johnson changed her agency after Madam Web dropped.

[@katharineeavan9705]

@Istuckmyheaddownthetoilet I wouldn't necessarily say that there's no character nuance or feeling in most of it. Daredevil's main throughline for two seasons was his particular mix of martyr syndrome, massive anger issues and catholic guilt, and there was more genuine and considered discussion of the "should superpowered vigilantes really be allowed to operate without legal accountability" and "is using superpowers to beat the crap out of people really the best way to go about changing things" issue than CA:CW even attempted, more or less implying (alongside Jessica Jones) a cycle of superheroes and supervillains creating each other and that people like Foggy Nelson and Claire Temple are the ones who should be more admired or at least emulated. While I personally think The Winter Soldier is massively overrated, it did touch on some genuine feeling with regards to Steve's disconnect from the world around him. Iron Man 3, while not the best storyline or resolution-wise, is literally about stripping the superhero of his armour and resources, both literally and metaphorically, and does a pretty good and nuanced job of portraying anxiety and PTSD as more than just panic attacks and flashbacks (though it shows those too). That unfortunately did make Age of Ultron worse by comparison for its flippant use and subsequent disregard of Stark's mental health as an inciting factor - like, setting up a guy to have severe anxiety and PTSD, then having a character mess around in his head to specifically make him act irrationally by amping up his anxiety and paranoia and giving him intense visions of everyone he cares about dead because of his not acting on that paranoia, then spending the whole rest of the franchise blaming him and solely him for the fallout is certainly a choice. I agree Bruce's issues should have been better explored but I feel like that was a natural consquence of there being so many separate Hulk movies in a comparatively short time + Whedon being the only one to start to properly examine them and then him deciding he'd already been there, done that with Oz and Angel for most of the character arcs he'd set up so dropping it all. They pretty much lost me when they started making movies based purely around getting a larger and larger ensemble together, though. It's hard enough to care about characters when 80% of the runtime is just things exploding and people punching stuff interspersed with increasingly contrived quips, but when you then have to split the remaining 20% between a dozen characters I can't even begin to see them as anything more than an advert for more yet more movies.

[@Salvanas42]

The flurkin kitten scene was so weirdly horrific and hilarious? Like absolutely traumatizing for everyone involved but no physical harm? We hope? Shield better have damn good mental health coverage.

[@laurakuhlmann1626]

The flurkins eating everyone up was the Cats Musical that should have been. Cheff's kiss, especially the way they timed it to the music

[@mandipandi303]

I heard from many people that they weren't seeing The Marvels in theatres because they didn't have Disney+, and they didn't know who Kamala or Monica were, and they thought they'd immediately be confused. It's sad because Iman Vellani is a delight who carries the movie on her back, and Ms. Marvel is an enjoyable show

[@mariokarthero1997]

This is one of the reasons I stopped watching the MCU after Phase 3. I don't want to have to do homework to figure out what's going on by watching the D+ show, especially when the quality of them can greatly vary

[@mandipandi303]

@mariokarthero1997 An understandable position to take! Though I do highly recommend you do take the time to watch Loki. It stands on its own as a piece of media and is widely acknowledged to be amazing, at the very least. Many believe it's the best thing the MCU has done since Endgame.

[@thectyptid00]

​@@mandipandi303 I couldn't power through Loki. Was done by episode 5. I think its the phase 3 attitude that sent me, the characters don't feel genuine anymore, most serious topics are turned into a dumb joke, there is little to no depth of characters and barely any major or even personal consequences of their actions are shown. Loki is better than the rest, but still annoyingly flat in my opinion

[@mrsam0496]

I think its false to hype Kamala Khan. She is great on tv but cannot handle a movie. Especially big MCU movies. The Marvels thought they would ride on her popularity but that popularity is very small it holds no real commercial effect. The MCU problem is they are hyping characters who dont even have a small cult following like She Hulk. Shuri, Ironheart, Kamala, Kate Bishop, Photon... dont have the recognition to carry the MCU. Guardians was the only anomaly and it worked because the movie, especially the first, was really entertaining and tied into the addictive Infinity saga story. Kamala, Shuri, Bishop will need a similar compelling saga to work. They arent recognisable at all

[@mariokarthero1997]

@@mandipandi303I'll be sure to give it a go when I can

[@SofiaElizabeth06]

I really hope that The Marvels not doing so well doesn’t ruin any future plans for Ms Marvel. I loved the tv show, the family dynamic, the romance, and the actress for Kamala is amazing

[@ldcg106]

Considering that she is the only part of the Marvels that gets consistent praise across the board and even by people who didn't like the movie, her future is pretty much secure (hopefully she is allowed to grow and mature as a character).

[@iraford5788]

The actress Iman velani recently mentioned that she's been assured by Marvel studios themselves that Ms marvel will definitely appear in future MCU projects.

[@matthewsengendo6302]

Ms Marvel season 2 isn't happening sadly it's one of lowest viewed mcu shows

[@claytonberg721]

It means the end of Brie Larson in the MCU, but that's really no bad thing if it allows her more time to do stuff like Lessons in Chemistry. I don't hate Captain Marvel, in fact I like the character and what Brie Larson did with it, but her IMDB is all CGI trash in MCU and fast and furious in the 2020's. I hope those flicks made her lots of money but hopefully she can get back to doing stuff like Lessons in Chemistry and Room.

[@haileyfaust5240]

I live in Korea and the marketing for The Marvels was almost only Park Seojoon focused. Imagine my surprise when I watched and he’s only in like 5 minutes 😅

[@pjsmith97]

It's a small point in the video, but thank you for calling out the "Go Woke, Go Broke" crowd and acknowledging the nuance that diversity pandering does exist, but that doesn't mean that diversity itself is the problem. The Red Pill grifters have tricked a group of people into thinking that the furthest they need to look into a piece of media regarding whether and why it's bad is if it has a racial minority or queer person in the cast.

[@eamk887]

Yeah, it's insane, but I've encountered people who genuinely think that a movie including any kind of "woke" elements, is automatically bad. It's so stupid.

[@shadowofthenamelessking]

Get Woke Go Broke is real, and so is forced diversity (no one has a problem with diversity, it’s *forced* diversity that’s a problem). Studios are more focused on DEI and ESG initiatives than actually making good movies, this is what people have a problem with (rightfully). And what does the Red Pill have anything to do with this? Nonsense.

[@Cardinal_claw]

​@@shadowofthenamelessking Yeah I agree more with this. Most people who dislike these movies are supportive of genuine diversity, at least the ones I've talked to. Genuine diversity in the sense of diverse stories with characters that make sense and aren't race/gender swapped. I feel like people glossing over everyone who says "Go woke, go broke" as 'red pilled' or people who just hate diversity is doing the exact same thing they're accusing the woke=broke crowd of doing which is kinda ironic lol

[@mdolinski4926]

The problem is that more and more it's considered edgy and trendy to hate on "wokeness" so stupid people have jumped on the wagon and started applying the term to any sort of diversity even good diversity. Basically they follow a cult of personality like MAGA and anything that challenges them or implys they might have to work on themselves becomes "woke". They bleat it like sheep to belong in the clique and next thing you know they are making posts calling Archie Bunker a hero....

[@Aspirider0220]

​@@Cardinal_clawwho exactly are the good anti-woke ppl?

[@gateauxq4604]

Iman Vellani is RDJ levels of good casting for Ms Marvel. She’s fantastic, loves the character and was a fan before she got the role, and embodies the hopefullness of a character that lives in a world that keeps trying to fiddle around with the grimdark. Young Avengers will be amazing and a good restart/reentry into the MCU. Also her Nick Fury impression was hilarious.

[@nicklyle4683]

For me, the Marvels fell short when there was no emotional fallout after Carol Danvers revealed the reason why she was the annihilator. It was quickly brushed over but there should have been that 2nd act breakup between the leads forcing Carol to admit that she did not consider herself a true hero and pleading to the other 2 to give her another chance. That would have made the movie more emotionally impactful.

[@limerence8365]

It's not that people particularly want the MCU to end, it's just that we've collectively decided after 15 years it's had it's time in the sun. People have moved on and after so many reboots, people want new franchises to enjoy.

[@sleepysera]

I don't think I agree. People still love these characters and want to see their stories continue, the very fact so many people are still interested enough to watch and shit on the newest entries is evidence of that. The interest and emotional investment is all still there - studios just need to make an actual good movie, for once. So yeah, I don't think most people are tired of the MCU, they are tired of being expected to keep up with a million irrelevant side plots in random TV shows on 15 different streaming services, they are tired of overly complicated, horribly written stories about increasingly fringe heroes, and so on. The original MCU formula was a very simple one - take a widely popular hero, tell a relateable, heartfelt story with them, then throw in a bigger threat every few years to team the heroes up with a bit more epicness and fun interactions. Its greatest strength was its accessibility, because that's what made the general public join in and not just the comic book "nerds". It was EASY to be an MCU fan - watch one self-contained movie a year or so. And in a fit of corporate greed, that was all thrown away. Nowadays its exhausting to be a fan, that's never a good thing.

[@hailsaep13]

@@sleepysera True! I don't want the MCU to go. I love Marvel and I love the characters - i just want less content and more quality. I at first thought cherry picking from their many projects would be fine but I forgot to think about the fact that working on many projects at once means less effort and resources spread out. I don't particularly want a new franchise to enjoy - I kind of hate having to get reinvested into things. I just want more effort, because I truly believe if Marvel gets their shit together, works on picking good comics plots, invests in passionate writers, stops hinging everything on VFX alone and thinks outside of politics and the same formula, the MCU could go on. They have so many great plotlines they could use and possibly even come up with on their own.

[@rightsarentpolitical]

Ten hundred percent all of this. Thank you for putting it into words - it's not that people are done with superheroes; we just want good stories and we see the cash grabs. They aren't treating the actors, the crew, the audience with anything but the bare minimum due to the dollar signs in their eyes and it shows.

[@jasonschuler2256]

Literally every movie ever made is a cash grab. Some are just higher quality than others.

[@jasonschuler2256]

@@Mindcrow Yes.

[@rightsarentpolitical]

@@jasonschuler2256I understand the cynicism, but I think it's an over generalization. You're not wrong that most of them are only ever made because the producers believe they'll see dollar signs, and yes the movie industry has a long history of abuse. AND, if you look into the history of some of these directors and actors you will also see the passion and depth some of these stories have and how personal and reflective it can be. Unfortunately, greed is often the hoops and obstacles to jump through and why so many movies or shows with no substance get made and marketed while the ones that stick with you have to fight and claw to exist only to be cancelled or wiped off streaming services.

[@JDotWill]

15:06 Yes they were heavily implying Maria & Carol were a couple. Which I didn’t ever sense in the original. That coupled with the allegedly cut Carol/Valkyrie relationship & the plot of Carol being a planet killer makes it feel like The Marvels is the 3rd film in a trilogy but the middle film doesn’t exist

[@lnt305]

That's interesting, I got a very strong vibe that they were more than friends in the first movie. Two women raising a daughter together in the middle of don't ask don't tell

[@letsbehonest6322]

@@lnt305 yeah, gonna be honest, I thought it was super obvious they were gay for each other in the first movie.

[@Anynom]

I actually think The Marvels could have stood to have another 10-15 minutes of character stuff as the chemistry of the three leads was terrific and Kamala a delight. Odd how it's one MCU film that's hurt by shorter running time.

[@missyllaineous]

The actors really make the Marvels something I was happy to spend a movie ticket on, but I respect that not everyone enjoyed it. I adored the fun lighthearted parts when it leaned into absurdity and let the actors show off their charisma

[@LycheePunch]

I think the singing planet of Aladna in The Marvels has a lot of potentials ... it's just that they played it exclusively as a joke or a gimmick I could envision the guardians of the galaxy coming down to it. The citizens would greet/speak to them in the Disney esque original music ... while the guardians reply in retro pop rocks with modified lyrics ... like in rock of Ages Actually scratch that ... I already come up witha whole synopsis

[@AmandaTheJedi]

Someone else mentioned a big routine like RRR and, honestly either of those would have been great

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

​@@AmandaTheJedihave you seen RRR

[@Wico90YT]

IIRC there was more to it and test audiences hated it

[@hermionehp1100]

I joked that the flerkitten scene was the best scene in the entire MCU franchise. My entire family laughed out butts off. I really wasn’t a fan of the signing planet. But MCU can make up for it by creating a movie staring Goose and her children

[@AmandaTheJedi]

Flerkitten's is genuinely one of the best things I've seen in the MCU

[@hermionehp1100]

It was the stuff of dreams

[@paulpeak1512]

I feel like Flerkin Adventures in Babysitting would have to be a shorts series like Baby Groot on Disney+.

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

The solution is to not oversaturate the audience with alot of these movies

[@ldcg106]

The solution is to hire people with actual talent to do the work that is needed.

[@claytonberg721]

@@ldcg106 Dacosta is a good director. But she wasn't even in the room when Feige finished The Marvels. Feige gets all the credit in the world when it comes to Infinity War and Endgame. But gets none of the blame for Antman 3 and The Marvels. She-Hulk was a mess because Feige was meddling with scripts half way through production which ballooned the budget and made for VFX that had to be hastily redone. The same thing happened on Ant-man, and victoria alonso got shitcanned for it. It starts at the top and hopefully Feige has learned some lessons, in particular that not every idea he has is going to turn to gold. Also lets not forget that they had a plan for the last phase which was ruined when the first director of the fantastic 4 film dropped out, and then with chadwick boseman's death.

[@shouldbewritig]

Aquaman 1 is kind of my guilty pleasure just because I like Arthur/Jason so I enjoy watching it to just sit back and vibe but both of these are probably gonna be a sit down and randomly stream, though I look forward to the Goose scenes most.

[@terryburke1489]

The Marvels had the same problem Captain Marvel has always had: what are her powers? Real nerdy but it’s a soft magic system combined directly with Kamala’s more defined limits. The whole time I was just like ‘sure, why not’ and then she reignited a sun and I had to say how was this entire conflict not solved in 5 minutes if that’s what you can do.

[@MrLeafeater]

Thanx for savin' me again. I turned off Aquaman about 1/3 in, and I don't even want access to Disney/Marvel anymore. You are always here to reassure me that I still have good taste, and reasonable sensitivities. I am grateful.

[@Wraiven22]

I’m also an X-Men girlie! It’s the only superhero media I have any interest in outside of satire like The Boys. I love the allegory for queerness, and the powers are so much more varied.

[@vashythewabbit8288]

to this day, i will never understand how Aquaman 1 made over a billion dollars haha

[@ericb9252]

Wet Jason Mamoa

[@najhoant]

It had a popular, charismatic lead actor and it was heavily promoted

[@vashythewabbit8288]

@@najhoant counterpoint, Black Adam lol

[@ambrite]

It was an entertaining action/adventure movie with a 3 act structure, it was basically an origin story so you didn't need to know a heap of other info to understand it, etc. It wasn't great but it just checked a lot of boxes that get people into the cinema.

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

Superhero... but underwater.

[@littleguy8714]

I walked in to my brother and mom watching aqua man 2 right at the very end when the baby was kidnapped and the house goes up in flames. I watch for a few minutes and say, “he’s gonna juice that baby?? Wtf!” Which made my brother laugh so hard we barely watched the end of the movie bc we kept saying he’s gonna juice the baby! Every time it panned to the bad guy.

[@tmntaddict]

I haven't seen either of these but this review is still a marvel.

[@SunnyBarker]

Watching you makes me happy when I need a break ❤

[@ceilinh6004]

Seriously. How hard is it to math that if you spend less making a movie, it's easier to turn a profit? It also helps to have a story that does't suck, so people will actually want to see your movie... Eh. The movie industry is probably doomed.

[@MrTerrorFace]

Here's a better debate: which film is the better female team-up movie: Birds of Prey or the Marvels? What's hilarious about this debate is that both films feature actresses who were in Scott Pilgrim vs the World (Mary Elizabeth Winstead, who played Huntress in BoP, played Ramona Flowers in SP, while Brie Larson, who played Captain Marvel, played Envy Adams).

[@AmandaTheJedi]

that is a great pair up, and... I thing overall I'd give it to Birds of Prey because the overall story is better, but there are moments in The Marvels that are just endlessly entertaining

[@MrTerrorFace]

@@AmandaTheJedi I wish they had more Huntress in BoP. Winstead's take on the character is great and the Scott Pilgrim energy in that film work for me. We're probably not going to see these characters again once James Gunn takes helm.

[@Anynom]

@@AmandaTheJedi The "singing planet" worked so much better than forced humor of Thor Love and Thunder.

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

Both sucked. But BoP had higher production value. The Marvels felt Disney Channel at some points.

[@SpectrumStorms]

@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom Ironic, considering Birds of Prey has about 1/3 of The Marvels' budget.

[@Megafreakx3]

What's hurting these movies is the lack of actual scripts. Not every actor can improv like RDJ and it really shows in The Marvels. The "fix it in post" mentality the studio has isn't helping either.

[@lutilda]

Omg! I also LOVE X-Men Evolution!! I would LOVE to see your commentary on that series! I also love Young Avengers so very excited and hopeful to get that eventually!

[@ericb9252]

The Marvels was genuinely such a fun and heartfelt movie. Great action, music, and comedy. Also, terrific chemistry between Brie Larson, Teyonah Parris, and Iman Vellani.

[@livingreverie5951]

please tell me this is sarcasm

[@t.n.h.ptheneohumanpatterna8334]

of course you like it its not surprising with your pfp

[@ericb9252]

@@livingreverie5951 Maybe learn that art is subjective

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

The only thing with a heart in that movie is Iman Vellani. Everything else is corpo hodge podge.

[@DepressedLaughter]

Trans support, hell yeah

[@milagrosstengel1680]

Waiting impatiently for your review of Dune pt 2!!!!!

[@AmandaTheJedi]

I'm waiting to see it again in IMAX this week

[@milagrosstengel1680]

@@AmandaTheJedi Yay!! completely worth waiting to watch it in IMAX.

[@robertlong9591]

I have to agree from the perspective of someone who read most of the series runs they based this and the first aquaman movie off of that they really dropped the ball. The first one was alright but it crammed what could have been five separate movies into a sloppy rushed collage. Great stories have to give you breathing room to take everything in, especially when you are being introduced to an entire mythology as big as Atlantis. You can’t build character if your film is a speedrun montage. Here’s something that absolutely infuriated me: Orm loved Arthur in that run of the comics. He immediately surrendered the throne and was overjoyed to meet the brother he had been lied to since birth to believe was dead. And that made him becoming ocean master tragic, seeing the brother he loved and admired chose the surface over him. Changing him to some spoiled brat that stole the throne robbed us of the most nuanced version of this character I’ve ever read, and just a genuinely fascinating character overall. We were robbed.

[@arrow_of_ravenclaw5155]

I actually thought both of these films were guilty pleasures. I was laughing my butt off during the memory scene in the marvels

[@AmandaTheJedi]

That is one of my favorite scenes of all of 2023

[@ericb9252]

I love The Marvels.

[@arrow_of_ravenclaw5155]

@@ericb9252 same

[@Maybeelean88]

As a musical enjoyer, I too loved the Marvels.

[@Bored_Barbarian]

26:50 I just saw aqua man 2 last night, was like….”what?” I had expected some even more nuts trident vs full evil trident fight…but nah. Lol

[@callmev3531]

4:28, Ah, a fellow movie soundtrack enjoyer. 8:51, But in the context of each film, the dynamic between Arthur and Orm (a kind of rip off of Thor and Loki, only in some ways, if the roles were reversed, Arthur being the mischievous family pariah and Orm the dutifully son and original successor for the throne) was what made Aquaman 2 really work despite its many flaws and undercooked story elements. 7:01, The closest the Marvels had to this was Kamala’s constant expressiveness at the various situations she found herself in (my personal favorite was her pretty believable horror and disgust at seeing Goose eat Kree soldiers with its tentacles, a comedy beat that worked because it was organic, a realistic reaction for someone relatively normal seeing something like that, which also made her temporarily relatable, before she continued praising Carol despite her presence on Earth being so brief that it seems unlikely the public would know enough about her for her to even have a fanbase on Earth, the planet she appears to visit the least, along with her own friends and allies, meaning the events of Secret Invasion is just as much s result of Carol’s abandonment as Fury’s), which did well to separate her from her more “wooden” co-leads. Out of the two, Aquaman 2 (for me, at least) had the charisma and chemistry between characters to make the nonsensical and ultimately forgettable plot bearable and the resolution of this universe being these two brothers managing to find common ground (even if the road it took to get them there was messy) felt far more satisfying than any of the Marvels story arcs, especially the completely underwhelming “Annihilator” plot point for Carol that is mentioned, resolved and abandoned in only a brief handful of scenes without any sense of weight, depth, nuance or consequence for Carol moving forward. This also hurts Kamala’s character by having her fan obsession with Carol ever truly get tested as she just abandons a planet to Dar-Benn because she believed its what Carol would have done. She is then set up as the Nick Fury figure intent on bringing about the Young Avengers despite her severe immaturity, apparent lack of interest in really helping people beyond the immediate need of stopping her planet being destroyed and the fact that the person she recruits first, Kate Bishop, has her exact kind of personality and origin except arguably done better (as Kate’s obsession with Hawkeye is given an understandable source with his efforts during the Chitauri attack despite not being powered like other supers he fought besides and she additionally suffers from being a super when her actions expose her mother’s criminal dealings and get her incarcerated, which is meant to mirror the origin Hawkeye has in his comics and in deleted scenes for his show). 25:06, Well, considering the Eternals have been whisked away by the Celestial’s IT guy, Arishem, (while the ones not on Earth are trying to rescue them with Harry Styles), there really isn’t much they could do in this situation.

[@althealee9375]

Why are all the evils ancient? Are there no hip cool new evils? Oh wait… Also the scene with everyone running from the Flerkens is absolutely hilarious and I love it

[@1mezion]

All of a sudden every Secret Kingdom wants to reveal itself to the world I mean Aquaman could link his brother to Loki but he can learn nothing from the problems of wakanda making itself public

[@mulqueen2023]

Amandas vids have always been so consistently entertaining, informative or just genuinely pleasant. Even though its mostly movies or books I've not seen/read, I still watch because I enjoy her commentary.

[@AJ-xc4qe]

What sucks the most about The Marvels is that even when the sequel to Captain Marvel was first announced, there were a majority of people who WANTED this movie to suck AND bomb at the box office because they already hate the character and/or the actress. And for stupid shit that wasn't even the actress's fault and shit she said that was taken out of context. Instead of hoping it at least improves on some of the things the first movie did like I do. Go watch the second part of CinemaWins' Captain Marvel video because I don't have the mental capacity to explain the context. I never got to see the movie because my aunt, who saw the first one with me, was having health problems. And normally I wait til to the weekend to watch movies, but I waited long enough and watched it on the Tuesday that it released. It's honestly not that bad. I loved the switch fight scenes, the bonding between the lead characters and after so little screentime from her last few appearances, we finally get to see Carol actually BEING a human. She's serious most of the time, but she's not this evil, heartless character that haters make her out to be. Sometimes, she makes jokes but she's not overly quippy like so many blockbuster characters are now. I love that she kept the Skrull torture device. I've always been a sucker for superheroes taking a supervillain's weapon and using it for good like Shang Chi taking his dad's rings. I know that the Skrulls weren't bad guys the whole time but they didn't find out they were on the same side yet. I liked the parts where the Flerkins ate the entire SABER crew AND the Kree soldiers and Kamala copying Fury with the Avenger Inititiative because as a superhero diehard, she'd definitely do that! I can't wait to see whatever Young Avengers project we get, especially since they're not getting any younger. And I'm curious to see how the post credit scene fits into the Multiverse Saga, let alone Deadpool 3. I freaking love that there's a musical planet and Carol being the princess of that planet for legal purposes! Especially since Brie Larson WAS a pop star for a minute! And they kept the same sci fi buddy cop comedy vibe the first movie had! While also giving us a sample of what Carol's career as a cosmic hero was since the first movie. So yeah, I think the movie DOES improve some of the things the first movie did, just a little. But I am sad that they couldn't have gotten to be more. I blame Chapek. He rushed creative people into releasing content ASAP instead of letting them do their job in their own pace. The animation studios, Marvel, Star Wars. Good effing riddance. This and Wish were the last movies that were the closest to completion during his tenure.

[@ldcg106]

You do realize that almost everything Chapek did was leftover from Iger, right? All the problems that Disney currently has start and end with that idiotic prick.

[@kristaygayle]

“As long as they don’t massacre my babies” Cut to wolvy’s monologue about their literal massacre

[@s.henrlllpoklookout5069]

Wow, they even dressed up Valkyrie in a MIB suit...

[@Desaki65]

I really enjoyed the goofy Saturday morning serial vibe of Marvels... But I should admit that I was 110% in the theater for the Flerkitten action. Everything else was icing. 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@killuasa8399]

i have a migrane and watching this video helped thanks amanda

[@drtaverner]

I wish Disney would hire directors based on good pitches and not just based on current popularity. Watiti has no clue what to do with Star Wars, but they signed him and after Thor4 I don't feel good. Marvel hasn't learned from the SW Sequels. Disney as a whole still thinks we care more about a name than a story.

[@claytonberg721]

The only star wars film in production is a Mandalorian/baby yoda movie. Feige's star wars movie, watiti's project, the patty jenkins movie and Rian Johnson's trilogy are all on the backburner, likely to never happen. It still drives me they expect me to sit at home and stream star wars content. You would think that someone at disney would understand that star wars was always about seeing it on the big screen, and the communal experience that brought. But yes, when they hire good people and let them do their jobs it usually works out fine. Thor 4 was an anomaly as Watiti has done some great work in the last decade.

[@drtaverner]

@@claytonberg721 My issue is that they hired Watiti for his name, not because he had a vision for a film. He's said that he has no idea what he wants to do with a Star Wars film. It used to be that you'd have a vision for a story that you'd pitch to a studio. Now they say: "We want a [franchise_name] movie. Hire whatever director is popular right now." Or even: "I have an idea for a story but I can't sell it. If I call it a [franchise] movie someone will buy it. That's why so many films, adaptations, frachise content, is just shit. Nobody cares if it's a good _Star Wars_ story, as long as it has lightsabers and spaceships then they can stick the Star Wars logo on it and rake in the cash.

[@datura7040]

Probably my favorite part about Marvels was the scene with the cats eating everyone and they are just playing "Memories" from the Cats play over it. I laughed the entire time in the theater

[@mattgopack7395]

Yeah, the superhero franchises where *everything* is connected gets to be way too much. Standalones where there's occasional meta-narratives or very very long term ones seem the way to go - kind of like the early MCU where despite being in the same universe, it was mostly good standalone movies. It makes the times when there's a big team up stand out more and also helps with the more casual audience - if you don't need to have watched every other movie in the series, it makes it a lot easier to just decide to hop in and see a random one.

[@jasonschuler2256]

I feel like not enough people bring up that the Pandemic ruined A LOT of their Phase 4 plans. They had to completely change the release order which caused a cascade of rewrites and reshoots. I think it’s a good thing that Marvel is basically taking 2024 off and only releasing Deadpool 3 so that the can get a cohesive plan together going forward.

[@zukikookie]

I've been quoting "Man I love blood magic!" all day. Thank you for the much needed laugh!

[@deselis]

I love Marvel, always have, but I had zero desire to see The Eternals. I'd never heard of them. That was really surprising, I can't believe they didn't think the lack of recognized characters would go well.

[@CaptainPikeachu]

The Guardians weren’t recognized characters and that movie went exceedingly well in its reception and made those characters household names, so Marvel expecting their brand name to be able to lift up another group of mostly unknown heroes like it did with the Guardiand is not an illogical thought. I mean Marvel built a cinematic universe out of their B and C list heroes that most of the general public didn’t care or know much about, so them thinking Eternals would go over well, especially when post Endgame they’re sitting on top of the world is not that surprising.

[@gabby3036]

11:40 This reaction is amazing. I must have back-tapped to rewatch it like 5 times now. Perfect, no notes.

[@justwonder1404]

The most unrealistic thing about those movies is the implication that the UN can actually do something significant.

[@fvances]

I enjoy listening to you talk about movies I have zero intention to watch

[@martindouglass3248]

When there’s a new movie every twenty minutes, and new streaming stuff every five, there’s zero excitement and watching it all seems like a never ending homework assignment to keep up.

[@whogon]

I dunno what it is, I just stumbled across these, and I love em! I don't mean to sound like I'm sucking up or somethin, but I watch ALL kinds of movie reviews, and it's almost ALWAYS guys, and they're still good and funny and stuff, but I'm genuinely glad there's a girl who is probably even funnier than ANY of the others I watch. I RARELY do the subscribe stuff, think I saw one of hers long time ago, but saw 2 In a row, and I'm genuinely hooked on these. Plus she's cute so it's an extra bonus lol. You're funny and these are great, keep up the good work love it!!

[@IAmHavok]

33:49 This is exactly what they are about to do with The Fantastic Four movie. I'm a firm believer that this film will be about the end of the universe of that particular FF team (all signs point to it).

[@MovieMaiden]

It bothered me in aquaman that it got to 5 months later and the baby didn't grow at all and Orm was so depleted he could barely stand but could hold on to that creature to escape up a real at 90 degrees.

[@minikawildflower]

I thought The Marvels was fun! I think it was hurt (beyond the review-panning for a movie with women in it) by coming in with the unwinnable comparisons of Loki season 2 (lots of people loved) and Quantumania (lots of people hated).

[@minikawildflower]

Idk about anyone else but I find both Aquaman and Jason Momoa incredibly unlikable.

[@B.-T.]

3:31 "There are aspects of the first Aquaman I did like" and it's all shirtless Jason Momoa.

[@charlesflohr1815]

“You caught me monologging.” - bad guy from Aquaman

[@shaliekk]

"Pretty evil shit guys! Very not cash money!" 😂

[@Mario_Angel_Medina]

_The Marvels_ was too safe to really earn a climax as bonkers as "save everybody by letting a bunch of cats eat them" but I'm still glad the scene exist

[@fromquake]

I couldn’t even get through the intro for aquabro 2 before I shut it off. But I haven’t even watched the marvels yet. So there’s that. Thanks for the breakdowns of both films.

[@Jeeshansameer2165]

Just Completed The Last Episode Of Loki And I Must Say It Was Epic First MCU Show Which Peaked At Last Episode

[@RobertSpitzer]

So much of the Aquaman movies underwater scenes don't look underwater. About as convincing as the remake for The Little Mermaid.

[@a.p907]

To be completely fair, when a movie focuses on the diversity of the cast/characters, and how progressive it is, it's because that's the movie's only strength, and some of those creators do go after bad films to just to criticize and ignore the good ones because praising good films aren't their thing. And the channels I watch did criticize Barbie for non-diversity reasons.

[@Alex-xl3wh]

You should watch "when evil lurks" it's an Argentinian film, and I think u would really enjoy it, it's a refreshing take in the horror genre

[@AlexAndrushukBone]

Omg your shirt lol 💖

[@SabrinaRina]

Nicole really be playing mom to men not only who could be, but HAVE been her lovers in roles. Kinky.

[@cheeseisdelicious4627]

Amanda! Omg it feels like I haven't seen you releasing a video in a while. Very fun and entertaining, sometimes better than watching the movie itself :D What happens in Marvels is what happens in other MCU movies, have anyone noticed they try to introduce new characters through oldies? But I don't know if it's ginna be successful or not, because so far I don't see people's enthusiasm. And they still are tied to the MCU universe anyway. But I can't get as excited for a simple reason, the combination of characters and the common final enemy created this unique experience. Yet who knows if they want to copy that experience, see which characters work and then repeat? Recently I finally watched the latest Spidy movie, which made me look up what MCU got and was surprised to see they extended it to fifth and sixth phase and added two new Avengers movie.. my first thought was - but almost everyone retired. And then it hit me, well yeah, by that time they may have many new characters and avengers won't be old avengers but new ones. So we'll see how it goes and how public reacts.

[@robinkholmes7127]

I was expecting a scene-by-scene breakdown of one movie at a time and then a "worse movie reward" at the end but this is great too.

[@totallynotabot4105]

Couldn't bring myself to watch either of them but I heard the marvels was at least kind of fun

[@ericb9252]

I loved The Marvels

[@totallynotabot4105]

@ericb9252 if/when I get Disney plus I'll definitely give it a watch!

[@AmandaTheJedi]

It is fun! It was pretty much exactly what I thought it was going to be from the trailers

[@wwaxwork]

It was. It was just a popcorn flick. The Marvels were done dirty by being tied to a sinking ship of a storyline though. It should have just been a fun stand alone film and that's how I think about it.

[@ldcg106]

It's not, not even close; it's fun to take the piss out of it, but nothing else.

[@roneteus]

Nothing better on a lazy Saturday than Amanda ramblings.

[@BlackKatX]

They should just let Iman Vellany write and produce at this point. She has the knowledge and the love for the characters.

[@cpkgrownup9496]

As someone with a huge bug phobia, I super appreciate the warning at the end.

[@radar9790]

Is that cockroach scene a hidden meta joke about the state of Hollywood productions? He takes a big burger and includes a cockroach because someone said it is a delicacy. Sure seems like the state of superhero movies.

[@arnold20139]

I feel ya Amanda, I just want the whole "cinematic/multiverse" ride to just end as a whole.

[@redhead_bebs]

The quantum entanglement fight in The Marvels was legitimately MY FAVORITE fight scene in all of the MCU. It was SO FUN while also being incredibly dynamic, showing off all their powersets, and adding to their characterizations. Like Carol's reactions to not being able to use/not use her powers... AND MONICA'S CLEAR INEXPERIENCE WITH HER POWERS!!!

[@kpag3030]

Aquaman 2 was so hard to watch, I couldn’t make it past the first 8 minutes before turning it off. That is the first superhero movie in the last 20 years that I have tried to watch that was that bad where I couldn’t bring myself to attempt to get through it. The Marvels, I watched all the way through, but it took two tries. I haven’t tried to watch Madamme Web and probably will completely skip that, like i did Morbius and Venom 2. Is there a Venom 3??

[@GetGoodGirl1561]

“You sign up to be Beast you sign up to be spray painted!” Lmao

[@bridget7539]

One of the problems with the MCU connected movies is that you need a reason for these characters to team up, and now that they've saved half of the population of the universe the amount of stakes creep is unreal. The street level stuff makes for better stories bc you can believe that they might fail which gives the story at least a little tension. My concern with the Fantastic Four and X-Men projects is that I doubt Disney will allow those stories to be what they actually are and try to force them into the Avengers mold. F4 is a just-barely-functional family of explorers who suffered a terrible accident and are trying to turn that into something they can live with while still exploring and adventuring through space and making wacky inventions and occasionally encountering cosmic horrors and/or tangling with Richard's old college roommate. The X-Men are a dysfunctional found family whose greatest nemesis is the government. They are not superheroes. Though they occasionally save the planet, such actions are rarely acknowledged and they are never thanked for it. The Avengers are the corporate squares of the bunch and trying to force F4 and X-Men into being corporate squares will strip both of everything that makes them special

[@leviathan8215]

No matter how many times you explain it the plot to the Aquaman movies just won’t stick in my head, it’s too inane

[@StarsAndAngels]

I like that you talk about movies like me and friends do but far better laid out!

[@Meanie74]

Eating a roach in a perfectly good burger is exactly like watching Justice League live action.

[@wildwesley9328]

I am so behind on the Marvel movies, I’m conflicted about picking them back up. I will probably watch the Marvels eventually but the franchise as a whole is less tempting for me. Despite being a bigger DC fan, I cannot force myself to sit through an agonizingly long movie I’m not sure I’ll like, so I’ve always been hesitant to see live action DC movies in theaters in general. I didn’t particularly enjoy the first Aquaman movie so there was no way I was seeing this one.

[@croc24680]

You’re not really missing anything. Don’t feel compelled to watch mid just because you have to. If a film forces you to do homework via watching several tv shows just to understand its plot, it’s not worth your time. Besides, what’s the point of the new saga? Who’s the big villain or overarching story? There isn’t one since there’s no stakes due to the multiverse

[@AmandaTheJedi]

Yeah that's exactly where I was with Aquaman 2 - just decided it might be fun for the video because enough people asked. Marvels I would have seen in theatres if I hadn't been sick, but I haven't really been excited about anything in the MCU outside of Guardians for a long time

[@archer1949]

Guardians of the Galaxy 3 was a masterpiece. Everything else after Endgame was eh…..

[@justinpatton6996]

@@AmandaTheJediAmanda, I stopped watching MCU after Endgame, except Spider Man FFH and NWH. I just watch videos talking about the films, and I’ll always watch you and your videos. Keep going strong ✊

[@wildwesley9328]

@@archer1949 tbh, I didn’t even like endgame that much. There are some amazing moments, but the whole time traveling premise wasn’t my favorite and it was way too long. I haven’t been able to watch it all the way through outside of the seeing it in theaters with a hype crowd. I much prefer to just skip through and rewatch my favorite parts. The only marvel movies I have been excited about since then were guardians and black Panther. I may see iron heart whenever that’s supposed to come out but I’m not sure yet.

[@yournamehere100]

Honestly what bothered me most about "The Marvels" was the emotional whiplash. When the trio interacts, its all cute and funny and then boom - people dying. Back to cute fun times - and then someone does a genocide

[@ironwolf56]

They couldn't pull the trigger on any emotional weight. There's a hint of it as Carol tells Kamala they can't save everyone and has to pull her into the ship, but nothing comes of it they just go have slumber party fun time soon after.

[@ccrraazzyyggiirrll]

Started the video - realised I hadn't watched The Marvels, stopped it, watched The Marvels and now I am back (I can't be bothered with Aquaman). The Marvels was fun - I actually enjoyed it and I think people just hate fun

[@ellewhite19]

Aquaman really missed their chance to give Arther Jr very curly red hair.

[@billyalarie929]

“Very not cash money” makes me laugh way too hard, EVERY time.

[@darkydoom]

I know everyone is whinging about MCU but I'm loving it. I'm having so much fun with their latest content. I don't know what everyone else wants, but I don't really care about the loud voices and biggest trends, just what I like and find fun and yeah, been enjoying it

[@SpiderGuy325]

That's really the mindset I'm adopting. I know people on the Internet are constantly complaining and obsessing over superheroes and decline and fatigue and oversaturation nowadays, but I'm honestly just excited for what they have coming down the pipeline and I'm curious as to how they course-correct creatively. Like you, I'm ignoring the loudest voices online who've been dumping on the genre lately and trying to be optimistic about its future. By now, people have made their thoughts MORE than clear and we aren't getting another superhero movie this year until Deadpool 3 and only two more in Kraven and Venom after that (Joker 2 doesn't count)...so seriously, you guys, can you stop whining and focus your energy on other things until then?

[@darkydoom]

@@SpiderGuy325 I have been noticing some people just can't enjoy a piece of work for what it is these days just because it doesn't meet the expectations of something else or something greater. That piece of media probably isn't even TRYING to be that other thing, it is creatively its own thing, so I go into viewing things blindly. No trailers, no critic opinions, just "what is this and how am I reacting to it?"

[@SpiderGuy325]

Exactly. This is a line of thinking other people really need to begin embracing. Yes, it's perfectly fine to critique movies and series, especially the bad ones, but people shouldn't trash them just because they didn't meet THEIR specific expectations. Not every superhero movie - or movie in general - is going to be a culturally unifying experience or a genre-defying masterpiece. That's a completely unrealistic expectation to have. People need to learn to enjoy some movies for what they are instead of tearing them apart for being average instead of spectacular. That doesn't mean accepting and tolerating mediocrity and garbage - it simply means adjusting your expectations. Jeez, what happened to seeing movies just to see movies and whether you liked it or not, you eventually moved on? Why does everybody have to be so "gloom and doom" these days and obsess over them?

[@raiden8063]

@@SpiderGuy325 No one is asking the movies to be perfect. There is a reason why the same people who loved the pre-endgame movies are now criticising the newer ones. Good for you that you enjoy them but don't act like everyone should just watch every movie that comes out and like them. The quality has gone down and if no one complains about it, it will keep declining. The marvels couldn't even make a memorable villain and the story actually made it seem like Carol was a villain considering she could have restarted their sun at any time but chose not to. There are indeed some people who are obsessed with spreading hate but most people just want good quality movies. Just because you enjoy them doesn't mean everyone needs to adjust their expectations.

[@SpiderGuy325]

That's more than fair. Bad movies should certainly be criticized, or else we'll keep getting increasingly worse movies. And yes, the quality has declined in recent years. When I said, "people should adjust their expectations", I really meant people shouldn't expect every single movie to be The Dark Knight or Logan. Again, that's just unrealistic. That doesn't mean the creatives behind the movies shouldn't at least attempt to make every single one of them masterpieces, so you're completely right.