I Will Never Understand The Windows User

[@mikeinal5521]

People don't read manuals, most windows users have never seen a manual or the help

[@AshnSilvercorp]

People don't read That's more specific.

[@null-t2i]

the vast majority of people don't even possess the basic human intellect it takes to conceptualize even the simplest sh!t after reading it. even if they do read, which the vast majority of them don't do either; most people are legitimately r*t*rd*d. that's more specific.

[@callmeniac]

and also windows 'help' sucks

[@wiosna4]

@@callmeniac Windows's help windows were like cookie pop-ups for me: "why did this pop up and what do I do to get rid of it" lol

[@MrMysticphantom]

Having to rely on manuals is a horrible UX policy. And anyone who designs applications that are consumer facing and rely on manuals for stuff beyond ultra basic utility would be fired for their incompetence.

[@WaiyaKemono]

I think the biggest problem is that people don't read The instructions can be right in front of someone, in plain text, non technical jargon And people still won't read things

[@common_myth]

As someone who has worked in support for years, this is so true! For example: Error message reads "Error, no internet connection. Unable to save." We still get a call, "Hey, the computer is broken. I saw an error message.", we ask "What did it say", they reply "I don't know. I closed it and it didn't save my work."

[@peterpumpkineater301]

This is a result of years of smartphone usage and people mostly plugged into social networks therefore no longer have any common sense. See how these same people react when you tell them that by them using an Android device that they're basically using Linux and then they come back and tell you that Linux should be the same as their phone :facepalm

[@LarrysUniqueHandle]

the problem is also its not always easy to find the right thing to read, I don't know how many times I have read through some what I assumed was documentation but it turned out to be like ten years out of date and moved somewhere else ten years ago.

[@noisetide]

At this point we have to write documentation using memes and pictures. Computer literacy is just non existent for most people... I mean even basic literacy as well.

[@cellegen]

This situation is really annoying on both perspectives. On one, the person doesn't understand the struggles that other people find themselves in. On the other, the person doesn't understand something that they have come across the first time and being looked down upon from other people's expectations. On one hand, the person struggling to understand should learn how things works via an alternative source, like videos, guides or easy to read documentations. On the other, the person seeing other people struggle shouldn't go complain about them, instead try to make a solution which works for the both of ya. There won't be anyone else doing it, unless whoever will be doing it has encountered this problem themselves. Keep in mind, that people are not born as programmers and most of the time, people will struggle in steps along the way. The more complicated the guides become, the more frequent it becomes. This statement is not just only true for "Installing Linux" or "Following steps on how to install a program in Linux"... it's apparent in every aspect of your life. Think about it.

[@sergeykish]

In 2005 Ubuntu introduced GUI to install applications, same approach later adopted by Apple Store, Microsoft Store. Windows FUD: terminal required to install applications. Solution exists for 20 years. No, issue is misinformation.

[@Chillipeffer]

​@@sergeykishhe wasnt specifically talking about this issue

[@anon_y_mousse]

You don't need to be a programmer to install things on Linux. Just use an easy distro like Mint, Fedora, Ubuntu, or Elementary and it's point and click. I have no sympathy for people that can't take good advice and can't follow directions. The only possible excuse is that Microsoft brainwashed them.

[@kuraisiruru1794]

Linux people and people in general fall into the trap of thinking things are easy because they learned how to do it. Of course Arch is easy, you've been using it on a daily basis for quite some time now. People aren't stupid for not thinking Arch is easy, they just haven't dedicated the time to learning it like you have. Everything is easy when you're good at it.

[@mrpiggy105]

Yes, Arch isn't easy. I've tried it, and I get why people like it. But it remains that most distros with easy graphical environments like Fedora and Ubuntu are pretty easy to download, run, understand and use for day-to-day tasks for MOST users. The only thing preventing them is the mindset. And yes, we may be biased, but so are these Windows users.

[@kuraisiruru1794]

@@mrpiggy105 oh definitely, I fully agree. I was just pointing out that his comment calling people who think Arch is difficult "stupid" is kind of unwarranted, condescending and doesn't do anything to convince people to join the Linux world.

[@guywithnohouse.6808]

@@mrpiggy105 I think you're not doing anyone any favors by calling it a mindset problem, honestly. I think if not for the few nerds that stood around thought the next joe how to use the command line on linux we wouldn't have had HALF of the linux population right now, and you know why windows is so much easier to get into? it's because the knowledge that's being shared in general, is that much easier to share. For an "easy" linux distro I had to go read around 1 page before I felt like I was ready to take it on, for windows a guy just came in, showed me how to install windows once, told me about the internet and what I can do with it verbally, and boom, I had acess to instant gratification and shit "just worked". Things like this video saying "I will never understand the windows user" stem from the fact that everybody I think just forgot where they really come from, I am sure for anyone how easy the windows knowledge could be expanded was more of a thing than anything... I mean come on... I learned this much shit about windows throughout life because it simply worked like how I expected it to work, linux kinda just... told me it can't update packages and stood stuck for me like that, tried fixing it for hours so I could finally experience linux in it's glory only to give up because nobody on the discord tech linux server wanted to give me actual help, and everybody was too busy flailing their cock around telling me the distro I installed was apparently just "bad" and that generally I shouldn't go for those, instead of trying to find a fix to my error, something I had to come in with after eventually searching up google like a madman for 2 hours before finally giving in and wanting a third party to help out. Turns out? I never fixed that problem, I just went back to windows. I don't know how it's like to be in your boots, I wish I knew, maybe if linux just worked for me and I fIxed it in the time I gave it, maybe I could've now BASKED in glorious linux energy and finally look down upon the windows peasant... sadly though? I just reinstalled windows and I am typing this up from my inferior privacy stealing windows 11, and yeah, I am memeing the fuck out of you, because honestly fuck you and your community, and nothing else.

[@mrpiggy105]

@ Thanks! Yes, I think what Brodie meant is that people are uninformed which is making Linux (a very broad thing) seem harder than it is. I wouldn't say stupid either.

[@LarrysUniqueHandle]

This, also linux people assume its easier to write a long ass command then to click like two button, wtf?

[@BuggersOnMahShoes]

I was in the ignorant, Windows/Microsoft "community" before, back when I used Windows. When Microsoft started to bloat the system even more (specially with Windows 11), I decided it was enough and switched to Linux. I started with Ubuntu, then jumped to Mint, and then Manjaro, then EndeavorOS, and nowadays I daily drive Arch Linux, because (and this is just my preference) it feels right to use a system that only has what I am going to use, and not dozens of applications I have to manually remove or disable, one by one (like Windows 11/10). Was it a walk in the park the first few times I installed Linux? No, in fact, I almost bricked my laptop trying to install Arch with little to no knowledge about the system, but when I started using distros that are more beginner friendly (Ubuntu, Manjaro, Mint etc.), I gradually started to understand how Linux operates and got comfortable using it. Nowadays, the concept of daily driving Windows is alien to me. I sometimes boot up a virtual machine to use an obscure Windows application, but that's pretty much all the contact I have with Windows for the past few years. To anyone starting Linux, don't be scared of the terminal, and don't think Linux is hard to understand and getting used to, in fact, it has a pretty straight forward file system compared to Windows, and downloading and running applications on it is also pretty simple. The stereotype of Linux being "hard to use" needs to die, it only makes more people afraid to daily drive it and detach from Windows.

[@cameronbosch1213]

I was in the EXACT SAME boat as you. Windows 11 was the literal final straw for me. I settled on EndeavourOS as that had a KDE experience that was very good. Did I have to learn the terminal? Yes, but I actually like it!

[@scrittle]

Honestly, a great response. I made a comment confessing to my own tech illiteracy as the core problem, wherein random issues like a CPU running your system graphics would stump the average Windows user looking to transition. The major hurdle is *culture shock.*

[@9636dev]

Exactly same situation as you, went directly for arch and removed windows. Took a long time to get it back to a working state dual booting. Now I daily drive Arch with Nvidia and dual booting doesn’t windows for other stuff.

[@callmeniac]

same here

[@twiggy749]

Same here, also I think that Windows complements Linux by running Windows inside virtual machines. I moved to Linux ten year ago at home, also I use it as desktop os in my current job now for more than a year. I use lots of legacy software in virtual machines, and some other natively.

[@sergeykish]

Arch Wiki was not the most user friendly example. In 2006 Ubuntu install found NVIDIA card and proposed to install proprietary drivers.

[@thesea251]

moving over to linux mint i was surprised when i found that there was a driver manager, as opposed to a disconnected mess of downloading from the browser and barely functional driver managers. even with an nvidia card it is infinitely easier to manage drivers on linux. combine that with a gui software manager that is better than the microsoft store and i would argue that linux mint (and probably some other distros) provides a better ux than windows does. at this point, hardware/software compatibility and "i just dont want to" are the only valid reasons to completely oppose using linux, and i can only conclude that other reasons are excuses for tribalism or laziness.

[@matthiasbendewald1803]

Very good summary indeed! Yes, Other distros with similar strenghts and weaknesses exist, and Others with completely different use cases in mind. Use whatever fullfills your needs and makes you Happy!

[@notCAMD]

Kubuntu has it too, but Fedora KDE doesn't

[@AstralBraixen]

You'd be surprised how many people just wanna use what they are used to. It's why Chrome, Windows, Nvidia, Samsung, Google, etc all are a market force. Once you have faith and are used to something you won't switch. It takes a big error on their part for the majority of consumers to notice and be upset. (And then some luck for them to find a alternative that is actually good, because you gotta actually research for that in a lot of fields.) But also I'll be real I've seen enough posts about hardware issues troubleshooting my own, and even posts about hardware issues on YT when not troubleshooting, that it can't actually be insanely rare like Linux users on YT act like. But yes there are tons of issues on Windows too for some users. I see that too. Probably more common than Linux because Microsoft themselves ship broken updates that aren't system specific a bunch of times.

[@matthiasbendewald1803]

@@AstralBraixen you are right and the Point that complaining about how complicated Linux is still stupid. Most Users keep using Windows and that's perfect for them. Just don't complain about Linux being too complicated or whatever...

[@AstralBraixen]

@ I mean Linux is complicated for things that aren't surface level use cases, because there's still niche but not crazy niche stuff that need console. I still haven't figured out the syntax and what values for Nvidia undervolting because it was originally some weird Nvidia-smi command where you overclock and set a power limit and some other stuff idk about to get a equivalent. Since I first found the solution there's been several other CLI tools to do this and they do seem a little cleaner but I haven't gotten around to seeing if I can figure it out with them. But they're _still_ not average computer gamer level software.

[@alpacamale2909]

2:39 typing implies you have to know what to type for each program. Meanwhile a gui offers you what to do with a simple click.

[@552jacki3]

Except for the multiple distros that either install Nvidia drivers automatically or come with a GUI installer

[@alpacamale2909]

@@552jacki3 how does a 'regular' user know that tho? do they have to check each option, google them, look for them in the ui? that's my point.

[@ttrev007]

i think you don't understand that most PC users don't even feel comfortable installing windows. Most PC users get everything pre-installed with their pre-build PC. Then their is the compatibility issue. I still don't even attempt to try use Linux because of compatibility issues. I play Black Desert Online and it or rather the anti-cheat it uses is not compatible with Linux. Windows is still the best OS for video game compatibility. I am rooting for Linux to improve because i think windows will eventually screw us over and want to be able to switch over, but it is just not there yet.

[@JamesMcCloskey]

Windows has more software, especially software most people actually want to use. Additionally, most software is built on Windows and is tested first / mainly / mostly on Windows. Linux has more choice (A ton of Distros to choose from or even make your own) and more customization options. Linux also has a lot more freedom obviously.

[@ChrisXPZ]

Windows: you don't have to do anything other than install steam, windows update does your drivers and everything for you. easy distros vs Steam OS: setting up gamemode, and gamescope can be a hastle and all the other little tweaks that steam OS has for running FSR through gamescope and things like that are tricky, mangohud configs out of the box on steam os is nice. Arch: You saying that "Your GPU version is listed" falls flat when someone has an RTX 3060 or whatever and the documentation says something like "Turing" they have no idea what Turing is. They also have to FIND that Nvidia page, they have to learn the arch documentation exists in the first place and they have to figure out what command they need to type into the scary terminal once they find out what Turing even is. But if you go install Arco Linux or something it's pretty much all set up for you as long as you don't care about gamescope and stuff.

[@KozmoPoly]

You're wrong about windows. The windows update nvidia drivers were always a couple of versions behind the one supplied by nvidia's website so I had to go download it anyway, and it updates on It's own so it was one extra 'check for updates' program I had to keep in mind. Gamescope and gamemode aren't needed to run games. If you want to use FSR on non supported games on windows you also must install 3rd party software just like linux or fiddle with your gpu drivers. "Your gpu version is listed" refers to how to install drivers on a '''hard''' distro, all mainstream ones check it for you and you just have to click 'install', no need to go to get the drivers from nvidia's website.

[@alfepalfe]

I have used and gamed on Ubuntu, Debian and Arch. I will mostly exclude Arch from this discussion as it is explicitly advised against using for new users in the video. When I first tried Linux I installed Ubuntu. One of the first things I did was simply search the web for "install steam Ubuntu" and follow the instructions. Within like 2 minutes I had it installed. Then I looked up some basic information about gaming on Linux, I think like a single 5 min article or so, which basically said "go and enable proton for all titles in steam" I did not touch that configuration at all after that, it just worked for everything I tried. The most I had to to was occasionally looking up a game on protondb to see which version of proton to use for a given game which is a one-time on first startup thing. Debian worked exactly the same, except I just liked it better as I simply preferred the look of KDE to Ubuntu's GNOME. Oh and Arch has by the way been about the same, took a little longer to install but I don't think I have had any real problems (in the gaming department at least.) As for Windows, it was constantly giving me problems when I used it, that's what I was so surprised about when moving to Linux, I expected it to have more problems than Windows but it actually had less. Perfect? No! But I personally find the issues I run into on Linux *much* easier to deal with, usually just look it up online and find a command that fixes it, whereas on Windows I would usually have to use that godforsaken "Registry Editor" or stuff like that.

[@TheRealMangoDev]

me 2. Wine exists. Proton too.

[@themacintoshnerd]

Right and like you can dual boot for things that don’t work on those and most people live in a web browser now.

[@YouTubeConsumer997]

how am i gonna play roblox

[@PotatoAndSickle]

anti cheat

[@imjoeking_]

Linux users installing Linux just to hack together compatibility layers to exclusively run windows software in a jankier and worse way

[@themacintoshnerd]

@@imjoeking_ have fun waiting an hour for your computer to update

[@QuestGiver]

Hi, i'm kind of an idiot. So I don't really know what i miss out on when it comes to switching to another OS. Every time I see something on windows I don't like, the solution is to registry edit the problem away. I know linux has a package system which lets you install what you need. So my question is, what would the benefit of switching to Linux be? I feel like my windows experience is adequate. Would I have a better time in a linux environment? Is it better for programming? Or is the appeal purely customization? Some of things mentioned in the video

[@sudoshindo]

I would say that as long as nothing about Windows really infuriates you yet, you don't need to switch. I switched to Linux in 2017 out of pure nerd curiosity. The switch worked out well for me because I'm not "married" to any program or game that only works on Windows. If I had to give reasons why I don't want to go back to Windows, it would mainly be the horror stories of Windows users "fighting their OS for control". Microsoft constantly finding ways to keep Edge as your default browser, updates triggering in the middle of important tasks, forcing the use of a Microsoft account, showing Bing results in the start menu when I don't want them, I saw Cortana somehow trigger several times during someone's livestream. The idea of Windows forcing decisions on me is what keeps me on Linux.

[@RenderingUser]

i would say that tiling window managers and rofi has boosted my workflow and productivity a ton

[@sergeykish]

I've switched in 2006. On Windows I've dreamed of distraction free setup - display for content only, no system UI, no toolbars. On Linux I've found numerous communities - people created solutions. And I can patch these for my needs if required. I am software developer, my setup for work is tiling WM with disabled decorations, 20 virtual desktops, half assigned for stable tasks, half act as temporary spaces. For media consumption I can open entire KDE desktop alongside on the same running machine. Also trusted software from distribution packages, in 2006 it felt like future. I've expected Windows users to catch up in a few years, never happened. For programming I've heard chocolatey and powershell solved some needs on Windows, never tried. On Linux installing programming language is one command. And Windows XP was constantly broken, was loosing performance over time, required reinstall.

[@RenderingUser]

@@sergeykish oh hey that sounds exactly like my setup. But with fewer virtual desktops (9). On qtile, with polybar. Can also run kde plasma_shell inside the twm. But I hardly do. I just use all my other kde apps inside qtile instead.

[@KozmoPoly]

Paraphrasing what Brodie said: If you're happy with what you have, keep using it. Most Linux users don't WANT you to leave the setup you're perfectly happy with. The upside is only for people that aren't happy with Windows. I remember Windows 10 having a issue with updates bricking the system if the user uninstalled MS Edge, for those people installing Linux might be a better choice than constantly fighting with Windows about what their computer should do/have installed. Finding which key to edit on the registry to make Windows behave as you want is pretty advanced user stuff, if you're comfortable doing that you probably would have no issues using the terminal. But again, since you're happy with windows, there is no need to switch

[@joleif4970]

As a programmer who is a Linux user - there are no issues with Linux is CRAZY self lying

[@sailor5853]

Bro, I want you guys to give me the version of Windows you guys are using because I run on problems on the daily basis LMAO. Yep, Linux is broken. We all know that. But how come no one talks about how stupidly broken window is?

[@Trizzi2931]

​@@sailor5853 Simple answer no os is perfect.

[@aweirdwombat]

​@@sailor5853the thing that sucks about when something breaks in Windows is it's not always clear what to do. If someone has spent all their time avoiding things like command line, understanding how things work, the registry, drivers, etc they're going to have a much harder time fixing things. And when they do fix things, it'll probably just be following a bunch of steps they don't understand and that maybe only address the symptom, not the problem.

[@TigerTT]

​@@sailor5853 Easy, Windows 10 lmao. It's the most stable version with an Nvidia GPU. I haven't experienced a single BSOD in well over a decade now.

[@AstralBraixen]

@@sailor5853 I'm also on Windows 10 but a totally normal version with security updates until 2032 because Windows 11 is only getting worse and so was 10. (Though the only technical problem was I wasn't getting feature updates on 11 without manually installing from an ISO, might've been my unsupported hardware idk because I did a clean install) But yeah 11 is bad mostly for design and business decisions, otherwise it's about the same as Windows 10 under the hood. Up until recall but there is a way to remove that with powershell. I really wanna use Linux but I keep getting random issues and I tried to make a comment about it in detail and the steps I followed to give context that even reading the Arch wiki and also OpenSUSE's documenation can still result in issues, but that comment got deleted when I tabbed out because the tab unloaded. But yeah TL;DR it was indeed much worse 5 years ago but there's still issues here or there but I had a great experience on PopOS, just wanted my disk space not split in half for games and some games/undervolting wasn't available on Linux (undervolting with Nvidia _is_ with a weird workaround where you have to overclock and then power limit and I just could not understand what values I'd need to put even with my MSI Afterburner values labeled in a text doc to reference. Yes this is 100% a skill issue but I have no patience atm to mess with that.)

[@luketurner314]

I am very much an outlier: grew up with Windows, used the family Mac for a while (taught myself how to code on it with a "for dummies" book), bought my own Windows pre-built, built my own PC (Windows), been daily driving a Linux distro for a few months now. I game on it, dev on it, CAD with it and sysadmin/net-admin from it. I don't see myself ever crawling back to Microsoft. The only issue I've been banging my head against the wall with is SteamVR with Nvidia GPU on Linux; I know there's a way, I just haven't found/figured it out yet

[@a70r]

Come on man, there are issues with gaming on Linux, proton is not perfect. I've finally made the switch this month and I had to dig into config files, mess around with Proton versions, install external ones etc. It is not an issue for me, problems are usually solvable and not a big deal, but you've got to stop saying that there are none because you're giving people a false impression of the state of Linux gaming. Yes it is very good, yes it is much improved, even since 2019, but especially since before the launch of Proton, but it is not as simple as you install a distro, you install steam and you game never running into any problems.

[@jimbo-dev]

Exactly same stuff as on windows. Yes there are issues with linux, but most of the ”issues” are actually just pebcac. I felt the same way when I was starting out. For me all I knew was how stuff worked on windows and I broke stuff since I did not know how to do anything on linux. Is it a fault? Sometimes yes. But windows has plenty of similar stuff too. The difference is that more people know how to fix problems on windows than linux. Also, compared to mainstream, we are kind of experts since we install our operating systems ourselves. Linux is ready for mainstream use, but the mainstream users will not install the os themselves. They will buy it preinstalled on supported hardware, meaning no breaking configurations. Welcome to Linux. The first months are the hardest while getting used to new paradigms, but it will get better, so good luck!

[@tablettablete186]

My experince as well lol And Windows wasn't perfect either

[@sergeykish]

How different experience can be. It just works for me, also I select Steam library based on Intel iGPU in 7 years notebook. That may explain difference.

[@Black95841]

I only have problem with using mods, trainers, something like cheat engine on linux, (in singleplayer, because i don't like farming sometimes or want to skip boring parts of the game) I currently use CachyOS for half a year, and Bazzite for 2 months on other partition, i love them both

[@mactan_sc]

my favorite part are linux server admins so disenfranchised by their jobs that they hate linux desktop to the depths of their soul and rake it through the mud in front of everybody every chance they get. and then they get to claim that "im an expert and you should be scared" turf in front of people

[@sergeykish]

Thankfully I have not seen such. As Linux user and software developer I feel at home while investigating issues on servers. Usually these are Debian, Alpine, Ubuntu, Amazon Linux.

[@Chromiell]

Arch is easy... If you can read English and you have a basic IT background. My parents for example don't know jack about English and have 0 background with computers. Even Ubuntu can be problematic for them because the CLI is in English and most support forums or many many articles are only available in English, you can translate the page with pretty much every browser but you can't search for a translated text (at least to my knowledge, and regardless it's not something my parents would do). That's a massive barrier of entry for pretty much everyone that either doesn't understand English or is not a native English speaker. You talk from the perspective of an Australian but I'm Italian and people here have difficulty speaking even in their native language...

[@sergeykish]

AI responses based on knowledge from multiple languages. For a few years I am using Microsoft Copilot for development. Feels like a middle level developer but in every field. Impossible for a human.

[@KozmoPoly]

My parents also can't read english, while they were on Windows I had to constantly help them with troubleshooting, mainly printing and scanning documents, my mom couldn't even figure how to change audio output from headphone to HDMI and even I think that's easier on Windows. Since their pc isn't compatible with win11 I suggested trying out Mint before Win10 loses support. Scanning and printing always works now, and most troubleshooting questions I get are about how to install government software because they still download the .exe instead of clicking the penguin with the .deb. Most things are web based anyways and at least they're comfortable using a web browser.

[@noriller]

I was a "power user" on windows. windows is not "easy". it's that sweden city syndrome... it's all "we" know, you know if you have a problem, you first need to hard shutdown then hope it fixes if it doesnt, then you need to do some shit you on the terminal, which there are 2 very different, while navigating by god knows how many menus, some still looking like it's win95. and of course, the "proper solution" if all fails: just yeet and reinstall windows, because why not? see... "easy" right? if microsoft cracked down hard on pirate copies decades ago, then no one would be using it today. but they had the money to pump it, to make offices all over the world use it meanwhile shitting on open source

[@AshnSilvercorp]

the nature of even uninstalling on Windows is weird. Where do you go? The control panel. Where in the control panel? Programs and Features. The "features" don't exist. It has "uninstall" unless there's a "repair" button. That's it. No "average" user I worked with as an IT knew where that was.

[@ThePuzzledboy]

The "features" are tucked away in a sidebar. Because that's how names work, right? Misleading? No, it's Misterleading, how dare you assume that.

[@callmeniac]

first thing I did on windows 10 is searched for the control panel and pinned it to taskbar

[@derpmansderpyskin]

True but you can also just search for it from the start menu

[@aweirdwombat]

I used Revo uninstall. Though it's been a while. But that's a whole issue in itself. Not only is not clear but Windows doesn't do a good job of uninstalling things on its own.

[@kajoma1782]

for some reason some programs just create an uninstall shortcut on start menu.

[@robertmurphy9320]

Hi Brodie: I first started with Mandrake in 1999/2000. Was run off by the toxic Linux community, came back with Ubuntu 16.04, then went to Mint and have been a Nint user since because it Just Works. I have a life, and do not have time to spend hours doing configuration olympics. The biggest issue on Linux adoption is our still toxic and unwelcoming community.

[@Zaxth]

Counterpoint, Linux simply will not work for my use case. Why? showstoppers in software. Not even anticheat. I need a scaler for scaling old software on my 4k display. Then just use gamescope right? wrong, I have an nvidia card and gamescope crashes see gamescope issue 1662. Sometimes I like to play Alpha Centauri, I have for 26 years now, I love that game. It does not work on Linux without the sound breaking, no amount of scripts to reencode the sound files helps, I have tried. Some Linux users say it works perfectly, but having listened to a recording of them playing the game, it does not. I also like to play old arcade games through retroarch, specifically because of the sonkun shader set. But currently if you use retroarch with vulkan video backend on nvidia and wayland, it simply crashes on executing content. I like to play Warframe with friends, while it works under Linux, it looks kinda dull, so I use nvidia overlay to enhance the colors. The only way I can do that on Linux is through reshade, but that's a bannable offense on Warframe. So for these reasons Linux is not currently viable for me.

[@callmeniac]

What's really funny is that I had a lot of issues with nvidia on windows for some reason. And the process of going to their website, searching for your exact model, disabling installation of the fucking gforce experience is just so annoying. Then I installed mint and it all just works. That was pretty surprising for me to say the least.

[@autohmae]

So I've been a Linux user for over 20 years, I have no problems messing with config files, etc. it's even part of my job. I've had to deal with the time of XF86Config files. I'm not a gamer AND more importantly I'm not a new Linux user, but 2:26 is there anyone who made a script/GUI which does this automatically (you can even present the user with the question what they have and don't need to automatically detect) ? And why do some distributions make you choose what ISO to download ? The installer can use basic VGA output or whatever right ? Why not have 1 ISO which uses the Internet to download the package automatically based on the hardware ? Why complicate things ?

[@sergeykish]

In 2006 Ubuntu detected my NVIDIA GPU, proposed to install proprietary drivers. Arch is not for novices. It was fun to work through packages required to run system. I use Arch, btw.

[@autohmae]

@@sergeykish Yeah, that sounds like a pretty simple solution.

[@ariffinsetya]

i'm software developer, use linux for years, from my college years and on my corporate years. but after wsl2 is out, i moved to windows, is it any better for my job? not really, something is more annoying, something as simple as yubikey ssh. why move? have been on different distro, ubuntu, arch, mint.. but one way or another it keep broken out of nowhere, and while i can fix them 90% of the time, i don't want and have time to keep fixing this, not to mention i can multitask with "windows-only" software at the same time, (including gaming). so yeah, not using any linux on my main machine for the past 3 years. Though my nas was debian based still, and my company infra of course linux based.

[@RealWaffles]

maybe im the odd one out but when ive had people install linux they immediately run into like every problem ive never seen before half their games dont run, their computer lags, cant reboot, crashes, display bugs and this is when i recommend something like linux mint or ubuntu or whatever i still run into constant problems on linux and it can happen with any distro, just last week i was getting memory leaks in youtube and discord

[@PFreezie]

I like how this clip has more comments than the whole episode it was cut from :D

[@CrossHusky]

It was never about Windows vs Linux users. Some people are just willing to stay ignorant and refuse to learn, this goes for every industry.

[@Eddies_Bra-att-ha-grejer]

Most Windows users should have gone over to just using cell phones at this point.

[@alsomasteruzi]

Windows works perfectly fine for me and has never given me any issues because I know what I’m doing. My files and workflow are organized. I prefer downloading files from the web instead of using the terminal because I like to see the website, understand what I’m downloading, and control where I store the installed software. I don’t like the way Linux stores installed software. I download a lot of random games from the web, and I find it much easier to just click on an .exe file rather than spending even a minute tinkering with configurations. I also use a laptop, and the touchpad isn’t nearly as smooth in Linux as it is in Windows. I prefer Windows touchpad gestures, which feel more refined. That said, I love Linux too. It’s amazing and comforting to know that everything I see in front of me is open-source. I wish I could get the best of both worlds. I know a lot of Windows users can be annoying because they overlook many details, but I hate when I see videos criticizing Windows users. I have my reasons for sticking with Windows-there’s almost no reason for me to switch to Linux and worry about whether everything will work smoothly or not.

[@sergeykish]

In 2005 Ubuntu introduced GUI to install applications. Same approach later used by Apple Store, Microsoft Store. Installing from trusted sources is much safer than downloading from web. But downloading works too - downloaded Spelunky, extracted, granted executable permissions - started. With Wine, automatically. Nowadays I have no idea what Steam games I've installed run with Proton. I understand desire to stick with existing setup. Linux is not perfect replacement, there are issues but they are more subtle. I have Windows on dual boot, run it few times a year. I see this video as a rant against misinformation.

[@alsomasteruzi]

@@sergeykish I understand that store stuff is safer, but like I said, I prefer the web and I don't click around or install anything that says 'download.' You have to know what you're doing, of course. The touchpad has been a huge problem for me. I've tried everything to make it work like Windows, but it's just not the same. Other than that, there are just small issues here and there that add to the annoyance. I get frustrated and angry easily, by the way. I dual-booted for about a month, mostly using Linux, but had a bad experience overall. I decided to stick with one. I nuked Windows and used Linux for a while, but the battery life sucked, and the touchpad nearly made me puke. This was when I stopped gaming for a while, but eventually ended up switching back to Windows. I miss Linux, but I'm more at peace now. Maybe if i get a PC some day i can think about switching

[@sergeykish]

@@alsomasteruzi yes, not much one can do with hardware issues. Whatever works for you. I've just pointed that downloading from web works too - for Windows, DOS, console emulators. I've lived with dualboot for few years until Windows partition was basically unused, reclaimed space. Recently got dualboot again for a few occasions a year.

[@aesthetig-m]

Linux experience: system update, waiting the user input for y/n; low battery, better plug charger; plug charger - screen is black only mouse cursor is visible; nothing works; manually restart with power button error while booting; enter the "maintenance" mode maintenance mode of course not for system to recover itself, but for YOU to fix it yourself👍 give up, restart the computer, now it works want to check how screen lock works, find the hotkey, press it - black screen, only cursor is visible - NICE, restart manually realise that every time you restart your computer manually with power button when something breaks it cant boot the first time, then it works after another restart installed some package, it's not what I need, uninstall - TRANSACTION ERROR; have to search the internet how how uninstall ignoring scriptlet errors someone smart in KDE decided that you dont really need option to disable touchpad when usb mouse is connected in 2024 year not every desktop environment support fingerscan login and sudo by default there is no equivalent "pushd %~dp0" in linux... that make some things more complicated for example if you dont want to create batch file to start server in same folder where that executable is located Take that Windows users with your silly GUI and stability!

[@sergeykish]

Wow. I've switched in 2006 after experiencing Windows "stability" enough. I have not seen such issues. Thought I completely support switching to atomic system upgrades.

[@JamesMcCloskey]

Can some please tell me the advantage of Arch? Especially when compared to doing a minimal install of Ubuntu Server LTS, Debian, or Alpine Linux, and then installing a light weight Desktop Environment like XFCE? Seriously, I don't see any obvious usecase. (Not joking & legitimately curious!)

[@romancvijanovic7130]

Rolling release, which means you have usually the latest and greatest updates. And that can be huge. Let's say you have a production load balancer on arch (and hopefully redundant). You are running the latest version of that particular piece of load blancer software you are using, which also means you have the latest and hottest features available. Compare it to debian. Chances are you are 2 or 4 versions behind it and even the next major debian release won't bump you up to the current latest and greatest version.

[@Rerum02]

Big thing would be wanting a rolling release, and the AUR. At least that's why I used to use it.

[@BuggersOnMahShoes]

The fact that it is frequently updated (rolling release), and you can download packages from the AUR, which is specially useful if you're a developer and need a specific tool or module that isn't listed in the official Arch Linux package database. For example: If you need to use a version of OpenJDK (Java Development Kit) that isn't in the official Arch database, or isn't very maintained, you can download it from the AUR and use it.

[@JamesMcCloskey]

@@romancvijanovic7130 The latest software is often quite unstable and untested (Beta-grade). Why would I want to sign up to be an unpaid beta tester?

[@JamesMcCloskey]

@@romancvijanovic7130 Thank you for answering. But the Bleeding Edge is called that for a good reason...

[@user-mikesmith]

I have desktop machines that run Windows, MacOS and Linux (PopOS, Fedora, and Arch). The order of hours used is: 1. Windows - Runs everything I need for work and gaming without issue and full support. By far the OS I use the most because it runs the most software. The signing security model is useful for trust versus downloading random stuff and assuming it’s all ok if it’s linked from a trusted source. 2. MacOS - Useful for iOS/MacOS development and Adobe products. 3. Linux - SteamDeck gets the most use followed by PopOS for hobby project development. The applications are usually not better. The best you can hope for is the same experience as another OS. Games are better on consoles/gaming PCs, client work software is also better on Windows/MacOS especially with WSL2 on Windows. The only reason I use Linux desktop is because it’s fun to try something different and the tiling Windows managers are great. For the OS differences, there are lots of annoying things about all three. But I don’t want to spend my time in the OS, I want to spend my time in the applications I run. There is time in the terminal but you get WSL2 on Windows so it’s a Linux terminal.

[@Peabo-q4z]

Can we just be happy that they are even trying to explore Linux? A lot of people will never want to read manuals because they come from an environment where everything just works, allowing them to focus on the tasks they need to do.

[@szenesiswebs3909]

So much truth in such a small video. It's not about the OS. It's just the simple act of reading and understanding what is read.

[@DudeSoWin]

Pointing to the inflated pricetag: "Free Swag", said the occlusive teacher, a know-it-all through and through.

[@RossoFala]

English is easy, I've been communicating using it since I was 2yo.

[@scineram]

You didn't even mention the total Microsoft enshittification. Including Windows Update regularly replacing the latest gaming drivers with older WHQL drivers. That said I was prepared to move from Windows to Bazzite specifically. However my TV kept flickering and dropping the connection, just like in Windows at first. Except in the Adrenaline driver I could just change the pixel format to reduce bandwidth for that display, but no such basic functionality exists in Linux. So my move will have to wait until my hardware upgrade, hopefully sooner than later.

[@xyz8460]

I typed out this entire comment and then lost my progress :( (I hope this makes sense, typing it again and the rant feels a bit disjointed? idk) I feel like part of the problem is cluelessness, and that most users don't just game, but need an os to run software that is still sadly locked to windows, so they try to use linux and break something trying to do stuff that isn't gaming and isn't linux supported and get salty because it didn't work for their usecase, and they turn tribal. Like I dont want to use windows (I have experienced so many bugs and crashing, on top of the other issues to do with windows like harvesting user data) but I need to. I need to use solidworks and office365, obviously neither support linux, office365 online is not the same, wine solidworks has so many bugs that it's not usable in a profession environment, and office365 wine doesnt install. (maybe this has changed since wine 10.0 but I haven't had the time to check) Then, at least with kubuntu, my egpu doesnt work correctly at the moment. I'd love to be able to switch, but I am locked in by my software and I do not have the money for a second computer.

[@sergeykish]

Yes, expecting Linux to perfectly run all Windows software is overoptimistic. Dualboot works for edge cases. Most Windows users need just web browser and video player. These covered long ago.

[@RenderingUser]

Bro is crashing out

[@sylinashi8761]

Oblivion (2006) is still buggy and awkward in Mint with it. So no. It's overblown and exaggerated despite being impressive.

[@dezly-macauley]

Someone has to say it... People who hate any kind of reading should stay away from Arch Linux. (Now that being said, not everyone has to use Arch Linux. ) BUT there are people who have a use case that leans more towards the bleeding edge, but they are too lazy to read, so they take the easy way out with a Debian-based distro. Innevitably they get burned and hop onto yet another Debian flavor, or worst they attempt create a franken-patch-work version of Debian. It's so hilarious that the official Debian wiki has a page titled "DontBreakDebian". But of course they won't read that, because its easier to just stay on Windows and bitch and moan, or buy an overpriced Mac.

[@Dobaspl]

I have an AMD card, but to play D4 without problems, I had to create an additional configuration file in the game directory. The fact that I found the instructions on protonDB, but it wasn't at all: it just works.

[@g04tn4d0]

Homeboy finally snapped! It's beautiful to behold! 🐐🤣🎉

[@tanawatjukmongkol2178]

funny thing is, I have NO issues regarding Nvidia Turing cards! It's superb. Intel gen 13 however is VERY wonky.

[@rickh8380]

We Windows users are a silly lot aren't we? Windows 10 will be my last version of Micrshafts OS. I am currently learning Linux Mint as I find it is the best entry point for me to learn Linux.

[@deadpixel8202]

We are still in 2019 where you need to install a bunch of additional nonsense and change environment variables

[@Vanadse]

This kind of thinking is what really annoys me about the Linux community. Yes, you can get most things working, sure. We can google it, find the package name, install it with your favorite package manager and be golden. But the average person that buys a PC at bestbuy to watch netflix and play the odd game is not going to do that. And instead of accepting that and adapting to that audience by making things easy, like all the OS' that have a big market share, you just turn your nose up at them and say "Well you are just dumb. I dont understand windows users." And say somebody tries it. They ask for help in their distro forum and they get some ass saying "RTFM". Yeah good job attracting new people. If the Linux user base increases in any measurable manner, I believe it will be thanks to Valve and nobody else at this rate. They seem to be the only developers interested in making Linux accessible to even the most PC non savvy people.

[@christhorney]

because gaming is not the only thing we do with our computers, and some software doesnt work with wine like haltech ecu programmer and data log veiwer, and i dont want to dual boot because im already unorganized enough. id love to geft windows, but unfortunatly i cant

[@Vintagesonic1]

It is so disingenuous to say there are "no problems" with Linux. You can follow the instructions to the T and something will still break. It's not an issue of "reading the manual", it's an issue with how unstable Linux is in general. Just because YOU don't experience any problems, doesn't mean no one else does. And clearly, it's very common. So for you to completely disregard someones experience because "things just work" on your end, doesn't mean they were doing something wrong. As a Windows user who switched to Linux myself, I am always running into new issues every single day. I know what I'm doing, I read the instructions carefully, but things don't work, so I need to troubleshoot it. Often times I'm missing some dependency that wasn't mentioned in the instructions. Sometimes even if I have everything set up properly, it won't work regardless. Look, I love Linux, but it is undeniable that Windows is just simpler for the average user. If it wasn't for privacy concerns, I wouldn't be using Linux, because I can't think of anything beyond it's FOSS nature and customization to be superior to Windows for the average user.

[@KozmoPoly]

You're missing the context of there having no problems. People are acting like SteamOS will be the saviour of gaming on Linux because it works ~unlike other distros~. In this context it's true that there are no problems, SteamOS isn't a magical fix, any inherent problem with Linux gaming (anticheat) will still plague SteamOS. In my experience Linux isn't more or less stable than Windows, just the set of problems are different, and it's personal preference which one you tackle. I had to use plenty of powershell, regedit, and workarounds to make windows do what I wanted how I wanted, Linux just lets me do it without a fight.

[@cosmicusstardust3300]

I see this more of a Stockholm syndrome with these windows people wanting to see Linux fail and Windows being the only thing that can be good.

[@scrittle]

Stockholm syndrome is more of a reactionary example than a real condition. It originates from a bank heist where the cops were so incompetent at extracting the hostages they felt safer siding with the crooks. If we use this example for Linux gatekeepers then it would fit.

[@SnazzyButterfly]

I'm on nobara and absolutely love it, no problems here; however, it's 2025, do we really need to use the terminal for stuff now?

[@sergeykish]

Terminals are like requests to AI agent today. But from different epoch that limited vocabulary. Clicking through options is so 90th.

[@Febald]

everthing is too round like windows 11

[@mrpiggy105]

Don't know what you mean, but if you don't like that design, the Linux world is very open and customisable. KDE will let you change your window decorations, and if you really want something you can propose edits to the code for many pieces of software

[@Vintagesonic1]

Depends on the desktop environment. KDE Plasma will let you customize pretty much anything you like. A lot of distro's have a KDE version, so pick any of them and you should be good.

[@Johnypier]

I've always had issues with Linux on my PC (I have NVIDIA GPU and YES I installed the right Linux drivers). I've tried multiple distros and everywhere I've run into some issues/bugs that only one or two people have had... All I know is that these problems were caused by my hardware, and trying to fix them requires a really good understanding of Linux. Honestly, I've only used GNOME as my DE and I've always had issues with it, it just breaks after a week or two and the system becomes unstable. I mostly use the default settings and don't do anything other than install the apps I need for work. I might try Linux again with KDE or something, but I'm really frustrated and it won't happen anytime soon. Due to the constant need to fix some new issues, I've gone back to Windows where I can work with WSL (if needed) and play any games I want. It's stable and does its job, that's all.

[@BulkybearOG]

I've been saying this for a while but IMO the issue is things have gotten too easy to use. People no longer have to learn something to use a computer and that's been causing a decline in tech literacy. Back in the DOS days, you had to learn basic things like how to navigate filesystems, what different types of files do, etc because when you turned on a computer you were met with a blinking cursor and that's it. In win9x you had to still set IRQ's manually if you wanted to install a piece of hardware sometimes. All of these things led to a "base" level of understanding. That's no longer the case, it's click here click there and computer does magic, no base understanding needed. Those people have no idea what to do when met with an issue because they have no foundational knowledge, but instead of recognizing this, they blame the computer or the software because no, they can never be wrong, they clicked the button. It's irritating.

[@carlosdgutierrez6570]

Because they can't never be wrong, the customer is always right and if your product can't offer a painless and frictionless customer experience as possible while the competency can, guess what? They will leave for the competency and before you say anything about the problems of Windows, this customer experience includes support, and Linux support is seriously lacking to nonexistent, you can't just pay someone to solve your issue and most forums are basically a circle jerk calling the Linux noobs idiots in several ways for wanting a easy fix.

[@BulkybearOG]

@@carlosdgutierrez6570 I’ve no clue what your trying to say there but 1) the customer is not always right, that’s a BS view from a sales background and 2) the majority of my companies L1 Helpdesk tickets are things that are fairly easy and self solvable, that’s my entire point.

[@scrittle]

A very ranty rant. This dissonance is common, Linux users struggle to grasp the problems Windows users face. I remember trying to game on Ubuntu and my PC ran graphics on my CPU instead of my GPU. I didn't notice until way later on Windows because I'm not tech literate. I couldn't identify the problem so I kept my dual-boot for billing until a Windows update broke it, where I threw my hands into the air and now I'm stuck navigating F2 to boot up Windows. Could I fix that? Probably, I saw a guide. But to transition from one landscape to another is *massive culture shock.* The community has a habit of being toxic so asking for help felt pointless (since they aren't wizards). I'll try again in a couple months.

[@uuu12343]

No linux user would recommend you to dual boot, only windows users We'll generally recommend you to buy a second drive, install in it, attach it to your second SATA/M.2 SSD slot then boot into it in a second drive, because dual booting is a massive pain

[@gillsejusbates6938]

@@uuu12343 get of your high horse

[@kunimitanaka1079]

Seven and a half minutes of truth bombing.

[@GottZ]

windows users are a special breed.. now in 2025 they still prefer downloading arbitrary .exe files from the interwebs over installing arbitrary .exe files via winget.

[@tranquilpowerhouse]

Got better things to remember than winget commands.

[@whyouread]

apart from the current state of anti-cheats and things that focus on other operating systems, GNU/Linoux is ready. Ngl, I think I saw more opinions than facts on this typical stuff. Probably just because you don't yap when something is true and move on, but someone wants to be 💯 right when they aren't.

[@danielcoffman1022]

I don’t understand Windows “experts” who try to claim “people won’t switch to Linux”. They use this “it is, therefore it always will be” argument. I even heard the argument that Windows has a plethora of software to choose from and Linux has like 1 or 2. They don’t understand that the software Windows supports is because you’re going to use Windows and people use Windows because the software is supported. It makes no sense to me. This rationale only works until you realize the OS, or the software, sucks. Today, both Windows, and the software industry, are being viewed poorly by the common public. (It’s happening)

[@smorrow]

2:22 You've identified the problem, what are yous going to do about it? I'm convinced people are more intimidated by black terminals than white ones (whether they "should" be or not), but does any distro ship with white?

[@MrMysticphantom]

This actually isn't about Windows. This is more about UX and accessibility. The number of steps and non-intuitive thinking that one needs to do to get to a desired result. This is even more important when the desired terminal goals require extra orthogonal goals. Unless all you want to do is working OOB in the distro itself(like browsing or stuff you can just rely on the browser for) Linux in general has a much worse UX and too many and often convoluted steps in between. Every example you gave requires you to have orthogonal knowledge and aren't necessarily a simple Google step away, because you need to know that it exists as an option and then know how to know which option is probably the right one and not some insecure hellhole. There is too much friction.

[@kiwirocket64]

ok its not that using the terminal is hard its how many things can go wrong if you dont have the right distro drivers everything you need. i used linux mint and quit after a week beacuse some things i just couldent figure out. some things where so convoluted and so out of the way (mostly VR) that i just gave up on trying to get it to work.

[@nfsjoey]

I mean I've had issues with Steam's game recorder causing frame times to drop after playing a game for a certain amount of time. So I wouldn't say there are no issues

[@sailor5853]

It's funny because windows is so broken when I have a problem I have to reinstall the whole OS. But then when there's a linux problem you can actually fix it's somehow worse for some reason.

[@coldcircuit99]

It's a matter of habit most windows users are more on the idea that apps are installed via clicking some stuff not typing it into an scary terminal the interacted with 0 times in their lives.

[@GSBarlev]

I had a Windows laptop for work for about nine months. It was a *miserable* experience, and I had no idea what I was doing outside of the browser-nothing was intuitive, nothing was where I expected. Productivity was a nightmare. In other words: I was as lost as a Windows user trying Linux for the first time.

[@ArturdeSousaRocha]

It's like Photoshop people complaining that GIMP is unintuitive. I'm used to GIMP and can't find my way around Photoshop. I'm not saying it has the same functionality, but the equivalent stuff is in different places. I use Ubuntu on an old MacBook btw, and it's super smooth. Also btw: For work, Windows 11 and Edge are ok for me but I wouldn't want that setup at home.

[@Daron1992]

You simply do not understand that not every person is not invested into technology. People do not understand how things work, they just use a tool nothing more. Just because you made linux a part of your identity does not mean people care. I recommend at least 3 months working as tech support to at least understand that people don't know how their computers work and do not care. They want their button here doing stuff nothing more. I had people asking me if the icons will still be there after swapping a monitor and other things that any person even remotely familiar with computers would laugh at. For average person computer is just a tool to do task nothing more, they do not care about it being windows or linux.

[@Nabiuxhe]

Is like the people who watch negative reviews after buying something they like, people who are maybe not dumb but driven by their feelings more than anything objective, if the thing you got works then just use it and be happy

[@awesomedavid2012]

I tested the Long Dark on Linux. Like most games, you play first person and can occasionally use the mouse to access UI. But on Linux, the mouse isn't locked to the center. So when you open the UI, the mouse can be in any random position on the screen whereas on windows, it always appears in the center. That by itself made it unplayable for me. Maybe I could bug this small indie studio to give af about Linux. Maybe there's some magic package I could install to fix it. But FUCK THAT. Maybe I just want to play a game and don't want to deduce how to solve this problem. And this is ONE GAME. How many others will have a problem? All it takes is one small problem like that and the game is ruined

[@xXUnrulyXx]

there is no nobility in the OS one decides to run, i'll die on that hill. at the end of the day your OS is a tool to get the job done. I'll say this, i've sat in hundreds upon hundreds of IRC, Teamspleak, Discord etc servers in the last 30 some odd years, been part of plenty of forums, and newsgroups.. and no body, and i mean no body redicules more people for their OS choice than linux users. sure mac and windows may have a go at each other from time to time, the amount of vitriol and memes and just distaste for windows and its userbase is far more prevelant than the linux camp. if you want to talk vocal minority its the linux users. ive been using linux since it first dropped oh so many years ago now I love how far linux has come.. still has a long way to go for sure, but its getting there.

[@sergeykish]

Most Linux users switched from Windows. I've switched in 2006. I should have tried much before, was in Windows FUD. I was clearly manipulated and so I was disgusted. Over years it waned as I don't associate with Windows anymore. Still I understand newcomers to Linux.

[@xXUnrulyXx]

@@sergeykish i hope you dont ever look into the companies that back the linux foundation and all their reseach that goes into every distro you use/like. microsoft is one of the leaders, that helps pay linus to develop that OS you think is noble..

[@IsaqueSbr]

Well, I really like Linux. But I had an really bad experience on my laptop, for weeks, so I had to go back

[@DistressQQ]

Few years is nothing. How often do you even think about changing your os? Unless you're enthusiast, basicly never. Maybe every few years when you change your hardware. No regular user that just wants shit to work is even going to check if linux makes sense. If it was shit back in 2019, it's no wonder it still didn't pick up. And is it really good? Isn't it still running the winx, or whatever the windows subsystem for linux was called? Doesn't that basicly mean you get yourself a linux just so you can run a mini windows underneath that ? I really like linux for work. I would never daily drive it. Grub likes to randomly just brick for no good reason, the support it's getting from both driver and game makers is scraps compared to windows and in order to make a switch with all of the data backuping etc I'd need to do with windows, there'd need to be a really damn good reason to do so. There's just not. Yeah some things in windows are shit, but they just work, out of the box, no maintanance, no matter how shit of a pc user you are and how much of shady software you just click run on, it just works.

[@nomadr1349]

Saying that Linux is somehow more complicated than Windows is complete and utter bullshit. For the average Joe there is a DE, and you can use Linux perfectly without ever opening a terminal, the experience is exactly the same or better as under Windows. But if you have any problem with something not working - on Linux you have a fighting chance even if you are a rookie, on Windows you are usually fucked up.

[@8bitRAM]

For the average Joe, it's not better. The second something like a peripheral or app that's always worked on Windows, doesn't work, because so-and-so company doesn't care about linux, they will want to go back. I know this is a hard pill to swallow, but for people on Windows (and Mac), they don't even think about troubleshooting, they don't need to, everything that they need just works.

[@nomadr1349]

@@8bitRAM Yes, they don't ever think about troubleshooting: if something doesn't work or works bad, the average Windows user thinks it is a feature and just accepts it. And Mac user runs around to tell others they don't need it too :)

[@8bitRAM]

@@nomadr1349 I don't think that's a fair judgement. If something doesn't work, people go online and ask about it. Reddit, StackOverflow, MS forums, the ever famous Indian youtube videos. It's an OS used by most end consumers by far, so there is a massive amount of people talking about it. Of course, you know all this, you just aren't being charitable for some reason.

[@anon_y_mousse]

An absolutely 100% correct take, especially the bit about Windows lusers being morons. If you use an "easy" distro, then you have no problems with setup. I'm on Slackware, which is often erroneously considered hard, and even I rarely have a real issue.

[@rkdeshdeepak4131]

Try to install prince of persia warrior within on a linux , amd 64 cpu, nvifia gpu , and tell me if you are able to

[@nsawatchlistbait289]

I was on bazzite for a week and then my friend wanted to play the crew 2 with me and I switched to windows 10 ltsc but then the game doesn't run well on my craptop so I have to go back anyways. But I'm stuck now

[@idldmit]

Well as someone who tried linux for many times i can tell that installing nvidia driver is a pain in ass. Yes, it can go smooth but it is not always the case. And what a frustration it cause when suddenly driver just stop working and u have happy hours "reinstalling" it with no luck. U like it? Use it, stop calling others stupid for using something u dont understand, maybe u are stupid? State of things? People tell their experience, they are not your beta testers to tell bleading edge status.

[@cheako91155]

intel arc benefits from mesa git branches... so it's not just as simple as installing a package to get the best performance.

[@FotisValasiadis]

The windows user defends windows because they defend their choice. Why people defend their choices/beliefs is already pretty well documented.

[@organess0n]

Calm down

[@BKHD605]

I think it's the fact Linux is not yet in a state to just be installed and just "work" like windows has been all this time. I love linux but still run windows on my main rig because I know how much of a headache trying to play games would be. Your average user doesn't want to even have the chance a game or hardware will not work and have to search forums and github to find a hacky 3rd party reversed engineered piece of software to get something to work.

[@Poldovico]

How DO you know it would be a headache? When was the last time you tried?

[@TheDZHEX]

Multi-GPU on linux is sad tho...

[@yramagicman675]

Are we talking something like SLI? Because that's been dead for nearly a decade now. Multi-GPU for compute can't possibly be sad, that's why we have ChatGPT.

[@TheDZHEX]

@yramagicman675 yeah, I have two GTX1080tis, 4 (lately using 3) displays and a VR headset. It seems that the GPU that displays grub is happy and the one that doesn't is sad - VR headset won't connect through it and Wayland looks like a memdump. That you can mouse over. Yes, it's cursed. And it works fine on windows, until it doesn't. Gee, I'm sorry for hoping that linux would work properly with, wait, let me check my notes... ah yes - using a graphics output/processing device as... well, a graphics output/processing device. My mistake, forgot that using a device for its intended purpose is so last decade. Now, I must go to clean some rugs, my tablet will make an excellent carpet beater, I'm sure xD damn, AI is not only destroying jobs, but technology as well.

[@yramagicman675]

@@TheDZHEX Yeah, unfortunately you might be out of luck. The 1080 predates nvidia truly supporting Linux by 2 or 3 generations. At that point Linux was a second class citizen. Wayland will probably never work on that GPU with proprietary drivers, and probably also not with the unfortunate open source replacement either. This was a choice by the Wayland team, I think because of the trouble nvidia has given Linux in the past. It's only been within the past 2 years that Wayland and nvidia have played nice at all. You are completely reasonable for expecting your GPU to do normal GPU things. Unfortunately, using desktop Linux has meant getting the scraps off the floor of the programming office for a while, and we're only now starting to see first class effort put into the Linux desktop from "traditional" tech like nvidia and AMD. (To give credit where it's due, AMD has been more cooperative with Linux than nvidia for a long time now.)

[@Starhartdeer]

Windows is going to end up like Internet explorer, in that it's what you use to install the other software :P

[@pixels_2124]

I think people on both sides of this argument are pretty damnn arrogant and ignorant and refuse to understand each other or where they're coming from. A Linux user of 10 years is going to understand a lot more about Linux than a Windows user of 10 years and vice versa. Saying you can't grasp the issues certain users are having with the tools you use daily, just means you've grown accustomed to them and may no longer be able to see those same issues, but a fresh pair of eyes will make them blatantly clear to you. That's why feedback is so important, even the seemingly useless feedback that may infuriate you. A lot of the time, they will point towards key failure points within certain designs. So, don't be arrogant, and don't be ignorant. When people consistently complain about something or have trouble with certain systems, there are obviously issues with how it's been designed. Even if you fail to see them.

[@tablettablete186]

0:28 I am curious for the context of it... Let's see

[@tablettablete186]

2:03 If you use SecureBoot, some distros require you to load the signing key into the UEFI store to load the NVIDIA driver. And it doesn't have a friendly interface at all (see mokutil). Other distros now don't require that anymore setup like Ubuntu.

[@JamesMcCloskey]

Considering most Windows Users just need a Web Browser, an Office Suite, and maybe a basic Photo Editor, Zorin OS is a perfect Windows 10 replacement post October 2025. Zorin OS is an excellent option for those who are new to Linux or anyone else who wants a simple, elegant, and stable experience.

[@moussaadem7933]

how's zorin better at doing any of these things than mint or fedora or Ubuntu or PopOS which are more famous

[@bluebana2280]

except opensource Office Suites suck major ass compared to MS Office

[@JamesMcCloskey]

@@bluebana2280 You can you use the Wep App versions of Microsoft Office, Google Workspace, and Apple iWorks on any Chromium-based Web Browser.

[@JamesMcCloskey]

@@bluebana2280 Additionally, LibreOffice is fine for most users (Bar Excel (No replacement for that).

[@JamesMcCloskey]

@@moussaadem7933 PopOS is good! But a bit resource heavy. Ubuntu is too alien (Nothing like Windows. And Fedora? Seriously? Rolling release for new users?

[@tennoframe]

give me absolute working of all, and i mean all without workarounds , of the games and applications, including all anti cheat systems, then we’ll talk linux

[@leeross7896]

been part of a team trying to CIS harden our RHEL fleet for WEEKS! Now admittedly some of the fault lies with tenable nessus but if you linux people are so smart why havent you invented GROUP POLICY for gods sakes.. I have a life, its not much of a life but i dont want to spend it hardening a bunch of linux vm's and containers!

[@g3ek1337]

Well is the same with php haters

[@tranquilpowerhouse]

Have you ever thought that maybe you are the moron? Yes, I don't want packages because I've got other, real things to remember instead of commands. Windows gives me an installer and a GUI; I don't need a brain for a bloody OS that way. I can just read the installer's GUI and get it working. A 'gooey' installer is literally essential to get anything done.

[@LaSpookyEXE]

people have this misconception about linux i do agree happends the same with other linux user judging me for being a arch lover things are not how thery use to is so much easier now and even the better way i use to struggle to get wine to install on linux like back in 2015 now is a breeze

[@Void_Dragon]

This is exactly what I tell my friends who are interested in linux but are too scared. Told them that if they are that scared, create a admin account and never log into it, but only use its password to install or uninstall apps and nothing more, and main the regular user account without sudo privs. Use a GUI shop like synaptic or similar. Its that simple. Its exactly how Windows users treat Windows when installing stuff. Treat the admin account solely as a UAC prompt.

[@VektrumSimulacrum]

I just booted up my old windows HD for the first time in months to pull some stuff off before wiping it.I immediately got a desktop ad as a notification pop up. Then I opened the file manager and my brain went "wtf is this? Quick! Cauterize the SATA cables before it spreads!"

[@HeadPats4Peter]

holy... what Windows OS is it? (win 10 or win 11) and which region are you in?!

[@VektrumSimulacrum]

@@HeadPats4Peter It's windows 10, I'm in the U.S. Welp, it's gone now. I wiped it.

[@crapmalls]

I got arch to work and im a noob

[@eherrmann01]

Why does everyone seem to think that Arch is so hard? I've been on it for several years with very few issues, and I can barely code "Hello World". I am however, smart enough to RTFM and figure out how to un-bork my system if I do something stupid.

[@ThePlayerOfGames]

I think it's that you're at power-user level but a lot of people don't have a power-user or sysadmin level person readily on hand to fix things if they do break. Remember that people are so weeded to "It just works" they're willing to use Android, Windows, i/MacOS. So to get the 99% to move across I've been recommending either Immutable or Atomic distributions, that way there's nothing to break and if somehow they did the self-help is to go into recovery and do the rollback

[@wyindxd]

I only use windows because i like playing anticheat games, granted i could spin up a vm and passthrough a gpu, i'm just so lazy lol

[@twenty-fifth420]

I am torn. On one hand, I think Windows developers have stockholm syndrome. On the other hand, I am firmly in the camp of “your os doesn’t matter.” Yeah, I use wine and proton to play games like everyone else. But I don’t think it is the end all be all. My issue is that most windows developers probably outnumber linux developers 10 to 1 if that. While yes, probably a larger group of Linux users are programmers as we tend to like to experiment and have fun; it does not mean we really are influential in challenging the microsoft monopoly. I hate to say it, but Apple has more a chance there. I at least understand Windows developers in particular tend to be fairly accustomed to their own unique uh, ‘bullshit’ compared to Unix users. Windows is the odd one out and generally only some skills are transferable to Linux. Plus, it is possible Windows 12 might be many the last huff of copium of “It will good this time, promise!”

[@robrob8936]

Cope

[@LaSpookyEXE]

theyre idiots you have to do the same with windows literly the same thing nothing really different lmao did they not exist before nvidia gforce app use ti update drivers for you