I wish my smart Android TV was DUMBER

[@perperikis5501]

You are spot on. However, just unplug the network cable / disconnect it from wifi and it becomes a dumb TV. No ads and no security concerns too.

[@carlosribeiroo]

100% It just feels like there is an alternate universe where the extra capabilities that come with modern TVs could be used soooo much better

[@hardeep1singh]

It still takes so long to boot. The hardware you plug into it, will run those same ads anyway.

[@dankmemer8737]

Imagine TV companies giving atleast midrange smartphone soc in TV TV Companies : *error 404 not found*

[@carlosribeiroo]

@@dankmemer8737 IMAGINE 🥵

[@Jo21]

i mean even low end a25 got a better SOC now

[@TheComando156]

This video is 100% spot on. My solution has also been to buy apple tv... unfortunately. I'm not an apple fan... but the apple tv is worth it. No adds, no lag / stutter. Apple tv just works. I'm going to buy another one for bedroom tv as the android tv that's on there just lags, freezes, and is a horrible expierence 2 years later after updates pretty much making it almost unusable.

[@carlosribeiroo]

Soooooo glad to hear my take resonate with more people! It truly is a sad situation, but one that is a definite symptom of a larger problem. It can be less than ideal to use the Apple TV in a mostly android household, and you lose some of the liberties we take for granted with android, but for most people I truly believe it is at least an option worth considering

[@T3CHGY007]

I can confirm that! The best device for streaming, even if you are not in the ecosystem!

[@gandaruvu]

why not try the new google tv streamer?

[@AkasagiPhan]

@@gandaruvu 1) The Google TV Streamer is still an Android TV device, it will still have ads just not from the manufacturer 2) Its specs is not really future-proofed, despite being released 2 years after the Apple TV In my country there is also an additional bonus that movies on Apple TV are cheaper than on Google TV, and many of them have 4K Dolby Vision

[@carlosribeiroo]

@@gandaruvu Scott tried the google TV streamer and the video is up here on the channel kzbin.info/www/bejne/oWOoZIKEhp2gl7s He quite enjoyed it so don't take my word for it as for a lot of people this new google box is going to feel like enough for what people expect for a smart TV (I just consider that expectation lower than it should be)

[@zadyeDK]

i am all for we are going back to NORMAL tv's with boxes that give it smart features

[@adhithyaraman]

The smart aspect of a smart TV is there to serve you ads which probably helps make the TV more affordable. Just treat it as a normal TV and you'll have peace.

[@stennan]

Just make sure you remove its internet access and it won't be able to call back to the manufacturer to get the ads 😅

[@thedoublep434]

IDK, my TV had a RRP of 3 grand when it released in 2022, which is by no means affordable, and it has ads and the OS is slow and unusable

[@justinkirschenman2232]

The probis you can't just use it like a tv. Just switching inputs have to be done via the software. It's truly garbage. It takes 15-20 seconds to go from hdmi 1 to hdmi 3 on my TV because you have to go home and navigate the ui instead of just hitting an input button on the remote.

[@naptime43x]

"probably helps makes the TV more affordable" - source?

[@lenOwOo]

But expensive tv also full of ads and privacy invading settings too

[@JoshFisher567]

Google TV on my 2021 Sony QD-OLED. The last update I got was probably 3 months ago. App only mode helps a lot, it doesn't completely get rid of all the ads but reduces them by making navigating the UI faster. It still works great and is fast enough for me for streaming apps (Netflix, Amazon prime, KZbin, ECT)) and for casting from my phone. I have a separate player for my higher bitrate local material due to limitations on the Android TV side.

[@AbeelSiddiqui]

What kind of limitations does android has for high bitrate content?

[@JoshFisher567]

@@AbeelSiddiqui I don't think there are limitations but there are lack of apps that play Dolby Vision like Kodi (outside special forks) in particular Dolby Vision profile 7 which is what UHD disks use and since I rip my UHD disks not being able to play Dolby Vision is a deal breaker. It should be noted that streamers can play all Dolby Vision profiles (5, 7 and 8) but Dolby won't license profile 7 to streaming devices for some stupid reason.

[@cyrilwong8088]

he should have bought Sony instead of Philips. My 2019 Sony Z9G is OK ish and got its update not long ago.

[@madkiller28]

MY LG CX is almost 5 years old, and is fast and responsive. Absolutely love it.

[@saviordream]

Yeah, I've got an LG CX and it still works great. Just about a month ago I added an ONN 4K Pro, not because I felt I needed it, but just to try something different. It only cost me $50, and after spending a little time putting a custom launcher on it I don't have to worry about adds and it runs great. There are solutions out there, but it just takes a little bit of research to make sure you're getting the best experience.

[@SLINK2750]

Sony has a very good track record of updating TVs. In my case, I have a 2018 model that came with Android 7 and is now running Android 9 and its latest security patch is from 2022.

[@carlosribeiroo]

Sony definitely is one of the best! With that said, wouldn't it be much better if a TV from 2018 could have updates for 7 years? Even if you are super into TVs and have disposable income you are not looking for TV upgrades sooner than 4-5 years and that is far from how most people upgrade TVs.

[@ArquellEastland]

My Samsung 7 series that I got in July 2020 still runs the same as it did when I first got it. And it also gets updates to this day!

[@OGsneakerhead81]

I'm so glad someone made a video on this topic. I've been saying for years that I just want a "dumb TV"! Both my Samsung and LG smart TVs are slow and stopped receiving updates. I got a Chromecast 4K in one TV and a 4k Fire stick in the other.....

[@xChrisSoaresx]

I made my Smart TV dumb because Vizio kept pushing updates that had major glitches in them. When I got an update that fixed the issues I disconnected it from WiFi and lived happily ever after. Also having a Chromecast 4k hooked up has helped too.

[@chemicallust77]

I have a "smart TV", but I just use it as a big monitor for my PC through HDMI...most of the time I forget it's a smart TV until it has an update

[@OtherMomo]

I hate remotes that have buttons that shortcuts to apps i dont use, and i hate that tvs have apps if im just gonna plug in a fire stick.

[@3rdworldgarage450]

I love my dumb TV. When I bought it years ago I specifically shopped for one with no native connectivity so that I had control over what was connected to my TV. Sadly, it seems like this is no longer an option as noone wants to sell you something without some sort of dystopian corporate control.

Hi! "Apps only Mode" for Google TV should help. Then, there are the usual tips and tricks for Android devices to keep the same level of performance as at the beginning. Also, Tizen and WebOS are supposed to be Open source projects.

[@blueciffer1653]

App only mode still has a large banner ad

[@pazu1]

Best honest opinion I haven't seen for awhile. Good job!

[@PrivateAccountXSG]

I appreciate the honest, refreshing discussion

[@AkramSays]

Tizen OS rocks been using it for 5 years, KZbin, Netflix, osn, disney, and lots of other streaming apps works so well and OS is so light and I seriously won't need anything smarter than these apps running smoothly.

[@mhoobag1]

Had same requirments. Got a TCL TV. Everytime something updated the TV would crash. Sometimes the TV would randomly freeze and fully reboot. After several factory resets I unpluged it from internet and did not set it up again. I used a Fire Stick for a while but that was slow so got myself Apple TV and havent looked back.

[@hereiamrakshith]

You just voiced my thought, thank you. For years I've been looking for a 4k DUMB TV (hard to find) and twin it with a Mi // Razer setup boxes and carry them for eternity.

[@SwedishGamer322SG322]

I have an LG TV from 2014 that has basically no "smart" features. It has youtube and Netflix and a VERY basic version of WebOS, remember, it's from 2014, 10 years old. The reasons you brought up in this video is why I am still holding on to it after all these years and why I am dreading to get a new TV, I have an Android TV box that works well enough so I don't need a smart tv

[@eefm99]

TV technology has been evolving over the years. I agree with you that "smart" features are definitely not enough to consider upgrading, but image quality sure is. I went from a 2011 Toshiba LCD Full HD TV to a 2022 Hisense MiniLED 4K TV, and the difference was abysmal; it was a revelation. Don't consider upgrading for the smart features, but for the image quality and technologies like HDR10+ or Dolby Vision.

[@SwedishGamer322SG322]

@@eefm99 Even though it's from 2014 it's still 4K so I don't see a reason to upgrade for a better image quality either. Sure I could get an HDR tv or an OLED tv but I don't really care about that

[@lewiskelly14]

I'm glad it's not just me that called out the sponsored buttons on the remote

[@carlosribeiroo]

Absolutely not alone on that one! It is one worst side effects of this entire problem!

[@chrisgreen521]

You got to do a hard reset on TV so it can speed up it's crazy 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@bassamatic]

smart tvs are best used as a monitor, and thats it.

[@tablettablete186]

Me: "Why is there no ads in my TV? Oh yeah, it is not even connected to the internet lol

[@shaleequem8249]

Really a spot on content. I searched for a non smart LED TV in 2022, but none available. Hence i was forced to buy an android tv but the performance is mediocre from the day one. Since i was using an iPhone i bought an apple tv 4k streamer. It completely changed the way i use the TV. Hence my opinion is if you’ve an iphone/ipad or mac go for apple tv 4k it’s far better than any other streaming devices

[@carlosribeiroo]

A sad, sad state of affairs in 2024. It's probably the tech purchase most people end up keeping for the longest period of time (the TV) and often it is the one we just accept it's slow from day 1. Kind of arguing against myself here, but a lot of the computing hardware on a smart TV would still have to be there in some capacity even if it was a "dumb" TV. A ton of good things come from it, whether it is good image processing (and also the bad one ahah), but also just something so simple as plugging in a PS5 to a TV requires a lot of bandwidth to pass through the video and audio. We take that for granted. But like I said on the video, unless people care for a change, companies are more than happy just keeping the revenue coming in from the ads and the lack of software support long term.

[@richo4447]

Strange this is the video i exactly needed. My sony AF8 is becoming painfully slow and i have been looking into this very thing. Never considered apple TV but will now.

[@unripetheberrby6283]

Y'know I think you may be speakin truth here, think I used to vent the frustrations of this but may have gotten tired and "used to" it after years, but happy fro. It being 'fine' recently :')

[@Kurt013]

You can add to the junk list, the Xiaomi Mi Box S and Mi Box S 2nd gen. Underpowered, low RAM, low storage, and updates are a mirage (my Mi Box S 2nd gen is still on Android 11 and the 5 January 2023 security patch!)

[@aisback1990]

In the USA TV manufacturers made more money from ads than the TV itself.

[@jessyk2579]

A Non-Smart TV + Google/Apple streamer box would be the right setup to go with.

[@Knoah321]

In 2015, I had a 20" LG 1080p TV without any smart OS. In 2024, I am unable to find a 1080p TV below 43". Nearly all 32" TVs are smart TVs with 720 or 768p resolution. Why there are no 1080p or 4K 32" TV?!!

[@mysterio7807]

Once Google started to show video ads on the mtf home screen I disabled automatic updates and reverted the launcher version to the pre installed on the TV.

[@jpierce1987]

I built my own Chromecast box with an official Google Chromecast, but with heatsinks on both sides and a PC fan, and m.2 drive for storage and USB ports if needed. It's much faster! The cooling and storage are the issue. Upgrading both fixes it.

[@jpierce1987]

If anyone is wondering, I built this inside the case from my 2009 Boxee Box and made it look relatively stock, and even got the factory LED panel working to light up the Boxee Box logo on the front of the case.

[@glez120]

I have had my LG tv with webOS for about 5 years and it is still decently fast, it might not have all apps but has most of the ones I need in addition to having airplay so I think it might be android and it’s nature of needing to be constantly updated and always demanding more resources, but you can always plug it off the internet and add separate thing you want to make it smart

[@Avantime]

Not just ads, it's all about product differentiation and feature packing for TVs to stand out in retailers. If you don't have smart TV features you're just competing with low-margin, low-cost brands like TCL and Hisense (or even worse, store brands) which will kill you on cost and scale. I agree as I still use a dumb TV and TV boxes are awful, if you're willing to consider proprietary alternatives a game console would work. Or maybe even a phone with HDMI-out via USB-C.

[@ThoScheen]

This rant is spot on ! However, I try helping myself. I have recently discovered an Ad-free Launcher, Projectivity, which is great. This in combination with some tweaks in the Developer Options and disabling some bloatware, for the time being, everything is running very smooth😊. Remaining problem is the lack of security patches as you rightly mention. I don't have a solution for this either.😢

[@carlosribeiroo]

The custom launcher is THE way to go if you want to remove ads from the home screen (even though a lot of the tracking for said ads is still happening on the background) However, I am a big big proponent of raising awareness for changing defaults. Most people don't care to change anything. It took me 2 days with this TV to give up and google how I could ADB wirelessly to remove apps that it wouldn't allow me to, stop services that I don't want and take control of my TV. But even if I could do that (thank god for android in that sense) it only made me feel more for the people that simply don't know this is even a possibility. As for the security angle, that is of course a concern and I believe only more streamlined hardware could help in that front, but once again PEOPLE HAVE TO CARE. It's great that these days a lot of android manufacturers are promising loooong software support for devices, but it took them years of people slowly realizing apple was doing this for them to care enough to do that. (also other factors definitely played a part, not just apple of course)

[@farhanmahalludin]

The KZbin app on my Bravia TV have gotten worse over time. It used to play 4K60 videos just fine but now it keeps freezing and stuttering.

[@carlosribeiroo]

You are not alone! Small random slowdowns and limitations happen randomly in literally every smart TV and there is nothing you can do to avoid them

[@jermainec2462]

The funny thing is most people don't know what the hell you're talking about 😂😂😂... They see big tv with a pretty bright screen they buy lol

[@ApurvJyotirmay]

smart TVs were never a smart idea. TVs should be like monitors with good speakers

[@akujiwar]

Got "smart" tv because thats whats available. would love for it to be just a display. Turn on and it goes to last used source. Thats it. Instead what we get is a bloated device that responds slowly. Changes source when it feels like it. Add back things you removed from the quick menu. Rearrange order of sources for no reason. Tries to be "smart" when something new is connected. scanning. failing. trying again. meanwhile all it had to do was display the hdmi source. Functions randomly stop working, requiring a factory reset. Its a pain tbh. Then there is data collection. Keep it offline. But then maybe you need some update. While you're getting that, the tv is free to send home all the information it gathered while offline

[@EddyGraphic]

Apple TV is the smoothest TV Box I’ve ever used, I like it so much I bought one for each of my 3 TVs and this is coming from someone who owns the Chromecast with Google TV and Nvidia Shield TV Pro 2019.

[@MaahirMomtaz12]

Samsung or LG Smart TVs are the best

[@Natak222]

People still use the TV’s OS instead of an AppleTV or Google TV? That’s like telling me you still watch traditional satellite television

[@deersakamoto2167]

I got a TCL Roku TV a few years back and honestly it's not that bad if you treat it as a dumb TV. I never connect it to the Internet and it's hooked up to a mini PC running Linux. When I turn it on it goes straight to the PC screen. Run any TV style apps you want on top of it. I don't care if the TV never gets any updates.

[@joydawn214]

we got a smart TV before we could actually _use_ a smart TV (rural America 🤪 ) by the time we got high speed Internet through our electric coop the window to update the smart TV had closed 🤦 we had been using an old school Chromecast, which was functional (except for Apple TV, which I had to mirror screen to watch 😬 ) but the Chromecast with remote control works *really* great ! 👍✌️🖖

[@calvinlotz7595]

I have been using a dumb tv from probably 2010 for ages now. Are there ANY tvs these days that aren't smart tvs? I genuinely have no idea. I just know i want a bigger, newer tv but not with all this smartness.

[@carson01XJ]

Exactly why I don't buy any newer smart TVs. I'd much rather keep my regular TVs and use a Fire TV stick or Roku. Having all of that software on a TV that won't get updated over time is just a huge waste.

[@TD-AT]

This will bump up the price of TVs rather a lot - to the point that you're paying computer monitor prices. All that horrible advertising pushed through the GUI also subsidises the price of the TV - Netflix et al pay for their button to be on your remote.

[@stephens2984]

i have a phillips tv and agree wholeheartedly. the "smart" functions get in the way and drive me mad.

[@daz1798]

Does it make sense to buy the Google TV Streamer if I already have a Phillips Android TV? Will i even get a better performing TV?

[@eefm99]

On paper, yes.

[@Darney53]

I have no problem with my 2017 Samsung smart TV. I also have a Roku Ultra connected. None of the problems mentioned do I have.

[@BrianHartman]

I have a dumb TV with a Fire TV Cube hooked up to it. You're right. If you can buy a cheaper TV and plug a box into it, why buy a top of the line TV? The only thing that makes me want to upgrade my TV is that I don't have 4K in the TV, but I have it in the Cube.

[@lovescarguitar]

Yes but your non-4k TV will not output 4k even if the cube has it.

[@HometownUnicorn]

I'm the same as you in the UK. I got a Philips OLED. I love it. I love the ambilight. Use the onboard Android for a bit and it was rubbish. Probably about a year and a half now. I've just got an Android TV streamer and it's brilliant and I've got projectivity launcher and turn on the TV and it goes straight to that input. It's brilliant.

[@lso5013]

Glad I’m not alone in feeling like my TCL’s operating system is complete garbage. I plugged in a Chromecast and use that for the smarts instead 😅

[@LV2355]

Philips tv are slow... Very slow. Try Sony or TCL. These have no issue with speed.

[@T3CHGY007]

The only non smart tv that I could find for myself was from best buy canada! An Insignia 40 inch 1080P around the $200 range! They are very hard to find!

[@ep20001]

All my tv have there wifi disabled and are attached to Roku. Works with less problems that way.

[@Liminal_Simulacre]

I have a 10 years old phillips 1080p 60Hz flat screen TV that I got basically for free, connected to a Nvidia shield. I could not be happier, exept for that stupid remote with the giant "Netflix" button .

[@carlosribeiroo]

Here's an idea, you can make a sticker for that button and reprogram it to anything else you use more frequently! Is it ideal? Absolutely not ahah But I have done that for some family members in the past that wanted it :)

[@howlwolfg]

Yep, that is why I bought a 48" 120hz gaming monitor to be my tv my PC and game consoles handed my media needs

[@aaryan45]

ADB TV, Projectivy/Wolf Launcher are Godsend

[@danielivanov930]

I agree 100% on everything said in the video . They can put a budget mediatek 8 core cpu or a good quadcore cpu with 2.0 + Ghz and a decent gpu and make all android apps work on the tv properly . Play store is restricted in app department there too and you have to resort in sideloading some apps . Smart aspect of the tv's really suck .

[@carlosribeiroo]

The sideloading really is one of the main reasons why if you are tech inclined, Android TV still offers a big advantage vs the Apple TV as a platform. But for most people, that is a completely foreign concept.

[@danielivanov930]

@@carlosribeiroo in android 15 if i'm correct google will restrict sideloading unfortunately . Not sure in which version of android tv that will happen if it happens 😬. Sideloading is the best part of android and i don't like the direction it goes . In android 14 google restricted sideloading legacy apps (you have to use ADB tools to unlock that feature ) . EU forced Apple to allow 3rd party app stores and sideloading while google goes on the opposite direction . Hope EU slaps them in time .

[@carlosribeiroo]

@@danielivanov930 I honestly feel worried at how google is trending in the last 5 years? It really felt like for the longest time, Android was choice and Apple was lack of choice. But slowly choice is being forced down Apple's throat and choice is being taken away on Android for seemingly no benefit to consumers

[@danielivanov930]

@@carlosribeiroo 👍

[@hafuridotus]

I hate to say it, but uh you’re essentially asking for an Apple TV based on your main issues with most smart TV interfaces. Roku the least amount of ads outside of the Apple TV in my experience. (With Roku I would only recommend the Ultra model)

[@andrei007ps]

Bravia XR models are really good, you pay a premium but it is worth it, and they have the best processing.

[@dylanguerrero8053]

The only cable in my Living room TV needs plugged in is a power cable and an HDMI.

[@MrWillypanda88]

I often ask myself, why do people want smart TV? my phone already does whatever smart feature it has, Playstation and XBOX can usually do what smart TV does plus they do gaming well. So why smart TV? Hell, the most common reason why non-tech users buy smart TV is "To play Netflix." Why do we need a robust OS for THAT?

[@theoneyoudontsee8315]

it would be nice to see a snapdragon 8 gen1 on a TV under $2000. even a 2022 flagship soc only in 2 or 3 lineups is sad if looking for a premium 2024 experience.

[@vinsan98]

Exactly these were my thoughts even I have bought a flagship Sony TV but it is pathetically slow then I was thinking of some sort of streaming box to purchase I saw few options but most of them were of similar specifications which will get slow within 5 to 6 months of usage and there was Apple TV which is very much locked. Then again I kept searching and found out the solution what I did was to buy a mini PC based on Intel n 100 processor and tie it up to the TV and this was the best decision so it's basically a home theatre PC which is capable of playing 8k video also support AV1 decoding. Plays most of the streaming services with 4K resolution without any problem and is very fast with Intel and 100 quad core processor 16GB DDR5 RAM and 500 GB nvme SSD All of this coasted me around $180 And I have also installed some emulators and it works amazing for that purpose too.

[@marieta.s]

I totally agree with you. I have tried web os, tizen and google tv. I don’t like any of them. I hate the UI, how it’s designed and how it works. Personally I have a smart tv which I don’t use as a smart one. I use external devices for my needs and the only thing I need from my tv is the hdmi ports. This way I can upgrade any time I want and manage my needs as I please. Unfortunately people nowadays are too dumb, lazy or ignorant to make actual decisions based on their needs and will consume everything as is.

[@rishabhchawla]

It should give us option to use smart features in the first place or not.

[@ESCO2]

This video is far from educational. Smart TV's are mean for watching TV (via inputs) but also wanting to be an all in one solution for streaming services. But instead, there are people want to treat it like a smartphone or gaming console for a low price. I used a Fire stick for years, a Google Chromecast with Google TV and now an Onn 4K Pro streamer and for watching TV and streaming services, it does the job.

[@MrMayex]

Answer: TCL with google tv

[@MarvinV180]

Being in the UK I can find any 40"+ dumb TVs I even searched forv1080p only still nothing it sucks. All I want is a big dumb TV with all the good stuff HDR Dolby etc and a TV box that supports all those features and apps I wanna use. why is it so rubbish for TVs 😞

[@yoksnod]

My previous TV was Sony with Android. Out of the box it was already slow and the incredible speed at which it became utter useless was ridiculous. Current TV is a flagship Samsung I've owened for about 3yrs now. It's also very slow but the worst part is, what used to be a seamless transition onto Samsungs own channels, to now having various annoying and pointless banners, icons and some stupid menu gui interface which nobody asked for and I'm sure few use. It only makes things slow much, much faster. Horrible. My next TV will be LG. I'll give them a try. 🤞

[@carlosribeiroo]

I wouldn't cross my fingers too hard on that one, ahahah Truth is, every single brand is doing this, there is absolutely nothing you can do to improve your experience. Hardware and software wise the differences are minimal in practice, most of their development is on their custom chips for image processing and that has very little to do with general user experience and quality of life.

[@exter2000]

my 5 years old sony got updated yesterday (sec patch). performance is not bad

[@TemperedWambat]

You can install custom launchers

[@pedrosilvestre287]

Not me admired he has sic opto and rtp play on the tv 🤔

[@carlosribeiroo]

*sera que este socio sera tuguinha? :)

[@pedrosilvestre287]

@@carlosribeiroo será?

[@carlosribeiroo]

@@pedrosilvestre287 👀

[@Daniel-jv9ft]

I have a Sony Android TV that is not connected to the internet and on which I only run the Google TV streamer (previously Chromecast). The manufacturers of televisions are just as incapable of delivering decent systems as those of cars 😅

[@carlosribeiroo]

ahahah Still think cars are on a league of their own. Some design and functionality in a new Mercedes infotainment is truly out of the early 2000s

[@dankmemer8737]

They are capable. But the thing is they don't want to, it plain and simple planned obsolescence.

[@GAU94RAV]

Just bought a sony 65 inch tv with android and yes I was wondering the same damn thing, just give us the monitor only without any processor inside, so we can save some money and buy a streaming box with it.

[@carlosribeiroo]

Here is a thought, a little contrarian to what I said on the video, but here goes. Chances are, even in an ideal world, the TV will not become cheaper. Image processing is a big task, and often times the hardware is doing double duty on a TV. Sony's is notorious for doing a ton of heavy lifting with their custom Bravia chips, but you still need to handle IO for things like external devices. Any HDMI 2.1 device like a console/PC or an external box will need 32-48gbps of bandwidth to handle passing through the video and audio signal, and that is not trivial to do. Like with most things worth discussing, there are multiple small caveats that make this conversation complex and intricate. But at the end of the day, I felt this video would resonate with people out there is because any change will only happen if a lot of people raise their voices. The sad truth is, most people are simply fine with being shoved ads in their face at every waking moment. Given the fact that a TV has to have all the hardware to process the image and audio, they might as well use that to make more revenue.

[@TheKrisKing]

Apple TV is the goat

[@cmair77]

Hopefully there's a massive upgrade to the Nvidia shield

[@ZaberfangX]

plasma bigscreen was a thing not sure how thats going this day of age

[@sathlin]

why no mention of Roku as an option?

[@carlosribeiroo]

Honestly, that is a fair question. I simply have never used a Roku product, so that is the only reason why.

[@Gravage]

Because Roku is just as bad, if not worse, than all of these "smart" TVs. They are pushing more and more ads on you to the point where they're trying to show them on your TV if you just have it plugged into your Roku (and aren't even using it) via HDMI. Roku is cancer.

[@Gravage]

@@carlosribeiroo Roku is just as bad as Tizen and WebOS. Solid ads. And it's only getting worse.

[@bgood172]

I have tried using a Roku on my LG TV since web os is so bad and initially it was pretty good, but over time they have gotten over run with garbage too.

[@justinkirschenman2232]

It sucks. My $19 onn android box gets 100% of my none gaming time on my roku tv.

[@jjcoolaus]

You should have got Sony. I’ve got a 10 year old Sony and its last software update was last year. Having said that i have a fire stick and Apple TV installed on mine so I might just factory reset it and not connect to WiFi

[@me7690]

I got rid of my Philips TV it was absolutely horrible to use.

[@zSion]

I love samsungs

[@gojohnniegogo]

Yup. Have a Fire TV, didn't realise you couldn't do anything at all with it until you used an Amazon account. Barely space to add any apps without external USB storage. It's become painfully slow to use. Not recommended. Please, let's go back to dumb TVs. Or even PC monitors.

[@rohithb009]

They must improve browsers in the smart tv , it is very bad to nevigate

[@valeryt1997]

apple tv + kodi = everything i need

[@alvialiaj114]

I have been using tv's just for their display for years. I vahe always used chromecast or android sticks to use the apps. And to be honest, if you are complaining that the services are slow for about a few seconds you are nuts.

[@BorisZX6R]

google chromecast 4k and i believe the google streamer or the onn box 4k and the onn google tv 4k pro box offer an app only mode - which makes the interface more snappy and less cluttered - or you can install a custom launcher and problem solved

[@dim3nt0]

maybe you shouldnt buy philips

[@soragranda]

Despite the age the Tegra X1+ on the Shield TV 2019 is way better than the smartphones you mentioned that released the same year, since the X1+ is model made on a better (newer) node. Heck, is still more powerful than mid range devices of at least last year gpu wise, cpu wise is already being defeated but is still is more powerful than low end and mid gen by a lot with the exception of mid high ones, specially considering android tv boxes even ones by google, are worse than low end range phones.

[@carlosribeiroo]

Hey! I get your point and all that is true, mostly because the form factors are all so different. The shield is much closer to a Nintendo Switch than it is to a smartphone. And don't get me wrong I still point people to the Shield in 2024, I just don't think it is a top of the line device any more (even thought it still is the best choice in 2024) It is still as good as it was in 2019 buuuuut it should be a lot better if it was given a proper upgrade.

[@Hisenormity]

I bought a Philips TV for £500. 18 months later the panel back lights failed. Never buying anything Philips again.

[@ChrisBa303]

If you disable all ADs on Web OS it becomes simple app launcher which is snappier than my Chromecast with google TV 4k, and unlike android Tv there really are no ADs left. Im not offended but this is just misinformation.

[@emanueleperagallo9864]

I've been looking for normal tvs when I bought mine, frustrating to see they don't make em, had to buy a good Philips which is not android but idc because I use my ps5 as a media center

[@ayodeleapata-2105]

It's so damn annoying. These TV makers just dole of expensive nonsense and expect us to buy. Honestly, I'd rather just buy a regular TV without the "smart" and connect my streaming device to it. I have a Hisense TV I bought in July 2021 and it has NEVER gotten any OS update ever since purchase. It's been stuck on Android TV OS 9.

[@patrickmantonio]

I avoid the included TV app on my TV like I avoid Bixby on my Samsung. Chromecast is the least worst go-around of the included cr(app), for me.

[@phawxhunter]

I wonder if LG Display and Samsung Display engineers have G4s and S95Ds with dumb OS and an Apple TV or Nvidia Shield connected to them to bypass the bad OS their clients install on them.

[@carlosribeiroo]

ahahah of course they do! Imagine going to work on a PANEL and having random ads shoved in your face for no reason. Also, beyond that the work being done by the display teams is often focused on executing the hardware for the panel and then the manufacturers still have to actually drive the panels according to what they want. So software is probably far from the day-to-day operation of the display engineers.

[@HometownUnicorn]

Google TV streamer and projectivity launcher win win win