I Wish You Were Never Born - A Documentary

[@MJ98774]

Not making your kid eat the giant sh-t sandwich you had to eat your whole life is the highest form of love you can give your unborn child.

[@allanagoldman5613]

Some people are too dumb. I was born autistic and developed schizophrenia and depression later in life. My parents knew what they were doing. They deserve the worst punishment passable.

[@SabrinaSilverstein]

The majority of people who have kids shouldn't & the majority who don't would actually make excellent parents.

[@Jokers_Yugioh666]

So glad i didn't give in to the dna molecule!

[@CollectionOfTheTimeless]

Great quote

[@abhinavt789]

To anyone who looks at the world without the biological, evolutionary and religious filters, antinatalism would be the logical conclusion.

[@Jokers_Yugioh666]

Being childfree is one of the best things ever!!

[@MADSCIENTISTGONESANE6166]

Especially when you know your "potential" children would never have to go through hardships and suffering of any sort. Especially since you have first hand experience of what that suffering and turmoil puts upon you. You never know what that child may experience. And may end up resenting and hating your guts, such as myself as I do towards my parents though very covertly.

[@niceglass3551]

@@MADSCIENTISTGONESANE6166 You shouldn’t hate your parents. They ain’t know any better. Hate the act not the person. That has helped me anyways... 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@apolloniusbeitsman5444]

Reminder: suffering doesn't teach people any lesson. It's torture. And what doesn't kill you makes you weaker, be it physically or mentally.

[@alexxx4434]

"What doesn't kill you leaves you traumatized"

[@MADSCIENTISTGONESANE6166]

Moreso almost PTSD like in many ways. But yeah most definitely - TRAUMATIZING

[@lhays117]

Not exactly true. A lot of the best art is derived from suffering. I mean comedy is fundamentally rooted in suffering being twisted into a humorous slant. That said, I do agree that excessive suffering is awful and there is a lot of types of suffering that do just break people with no redemptive aspect to it.

[@alexxx4434]

@@lhays117 Comedy is not rooted in suffering, just one avenue of comedy

[@TAiCkIne-TOrESIve]

@@lhays117 You are in the minority. It's more accurate to say that suffering teaches very few people (like 1/1000 that went through the same thing) very few lessons (like 1 or 2 for their whole lifetime); however, it's so few that it's close to none.

[@kingofsimps7770]

People say "my body my choice" when it comes to abortion and most people agree, but when it comes to assisted suicide/euthanasia, people oppose the right to body autonomy. Hypocrisy.

[@PlatonsArm]

The Colorado artist, look at how their dog is coming to comfort him immediately in two different situations. They understand so much more than you’d think. The words they don’t understand, they’re very skilled at interpreting the emotions the words come with. We often assume that dogs are dumb and that they overstate their emotions because of it. But actually, they are quite subtle. Studies that they can know when you’re about to stand up before you yourself are aware that you are about to, because they interpret body language so well that they are privy to your actions before your brain signals have established the motivation in your own consciousness. And if you know dogs well, you know that they speak with their eyes. They are the only other mammal that understands humans pointing. And they are pointing themselves, using their eyes. They look at you and then at the object (for instance, if they want to go out, they may look you in the eyes and then slightly shift their gaze to the window behind you. That’s their signal ”us + out”. It is humans who can’t interpret dogs that are the big idiots.

[@ColburnClark]

Excellent comment 👍

[@LawrenceAnton]

Excellent doc Jack! You did an amazing one here 🔥 Thanks for speaking with me for it!

[@efilism]

Bit of a shame he didn't ask why you work with Amanda knowing she posts content advocating in favor of CSAM, infanticide, and mrdring wmn as part of her AN advocacy. Would you also work with a vegan activist who posts content advocating in favor of animal SA, kllng healthy baby animals, and offing mature animals to stop them breeding? You know you wouldn't.

[@ankuj7808]

Core subject shouldn't change​@@efilism

[@mikedonigan6665]

Wombs make tombs!

[@efilism]

@@ankuj7808 Just to clarify, are you cool with people who position themselves as the public face of AN posting content advocating in favor of that kind of stuff, as part of their AN activism?

[@whycreatemorehumans]

​@efilism what's really going on with you?

[@FactsCountdown]

Having children is waking a dead person who never asked to be alive and would have never suffer if you didn't wake him up.

[@LostinMango]

Sorry man I enjoy being alive You can end it anytime Just don't give Bs reasons like family and all that.

[@hellequinm]

It's interesting. I'm autistic, due to that developed lot of autoimmune diseases that put me in constant physical pain for just... eating. I'm suffering mental and physically. Yet people wonder why I don't want to have children. Never, ever in my life I would like to put a person in this world to suffer like I do. It's just plain wrong, knowing what I know about my genetics and go out there putting more human out to suffer. I really don't get why people with genetic diseases just pull the trigger.

[@MADSCIENTISTGONESANE6166]

What's that phrase - "don't wake up a sleeping giant" . . . With desires that individual wants to partake in and if not getting the desires, would make one go mad.

[@Braingore-de-Rais]

Interesting observation. None of us asked to be here. Yet some of us make something of our time instead of complaining like 12 year olds. See: every inventor, conqueror, artist, malevolent dictator etc.

[@FactsCountdown]

@@Braingore-de-Rais those are just minority groups of rare individuals talents but majority of human being are living a average mediocre life doing wage slavery.

[@Lyrielonwind]

There's a misconception about bringing children into a world where you are just a number to your country and the oligarchies that your life will be subjected to plus the fact that many people reproduce but don't care about their offspring thinking their children are their unconditional slaves who should be grateful for bringing you to an a life where you were not even welcome but made you feel "in debt". Bringing children into this world is ok if you don't bring them to your convenience because you want someone to care for you in your old days when they have only passed them their trauma and sometimes even make them worse. I come from a dysfunctional narcissistic family and I don't know what love is because I refuse to think love is painful and an obligation. It's not about banning children or forcing people to bring children to this world, it is about awareness about why people birth children: having more work force to work for you? Is it to have someone to love you unconditionally but without loving them first? Is it about having nurses in your old days? Those are the questions most people don't want to face or if they answer they lie about it. Does Elon Musk love his children? How much time does he spend to know all of them? I don't think he's conscious of his children being individuals with emotional needs. I don't care how much money he has. Genghis Khan had lots of power and had many children but that's what narcissism is about; having extension of yourself and treating them as sub-products or extensions. The world is full of people with childhood trauma but societies and laws don't want to face it because it points to their selfishness. Have children if you are committed to love them and put them first in your life while you get to know them without tagging them with labels out of your own projections. Just take a look at how many children are suffering from poverty, hunger, lacking a decent childhood and safety... meanwhile, those who promote natality are those who want cheap work forces and human incubators and they are destroying the resources of the planet when there's no planet B...we just have Earth 🌎 and it's in a terrible shape thanks to wild capitalism. Resources are limited and humanistic thinking is scarce.

[@whycreatemorehumans]

what a fabulous piece of art. I will be spreading it as widely as I can

[@TheFriendlyAntinatalist]

Dont forget to send it to your 3 kids too

[@whycreatemorehumans]

@@TheFriendlyAntinatalist lol - yes will do!

[@kgaoletsaDNA0]

@@TheFriendlyAntinatalist 😇 he is a Saint and his kids know. you are welcome to also educate them in a friendly(friendlier) manner

[@lovethyneibor22736]

Danny ❤ do you realize how talented and beautiful you are?

[@christyviolet926]

Thank you Jack, for the validation of a growing segment of our population. 🌟👍

[@biashacker]

People never think about the kids they create. They do not think about their lives, their struggles, how the world will affect them, and they never think about the horrors of their inevitable death. People simply think about themselves and never care if their children will live horrid lives.

[@panderingpanda4770]

Eagerly waiting for part II of this.

[@RoyFJ65]

Makes absolute sense in every way.

[@naturalisted1714]

How so?

[@whycreatemorehumans]

@@naturalisted1714 other than your word salad BS about non existence, what doesnt make sense to you in the film? Have you procreated?

[@PlatonsArm]

The best documentary on the topic I’ve seen.

[@PlatonsArm]

The Texan guy was absolutely BRILLIANT! Wow. He knew what he was thinking and communicated cogently and empathically. Doug Stanhope is a superhero of mine for almost 20 years now. The last interviewee, the British guy, was to me the only repulsive person. He puts his own pain and beliefs over the will, agency and happiness of his own daughter. A narcissist stuck in generational trauma. He should only provide the least possible suffering for her if he understood the idea he makes her suffer for.

[@PatrickBohanWriter]

Amazing documentary! I’m so glad you created it (unlike life)

[@LSVygotsky]

"Thomas Ligotti approves this message."

[@FoolYourselves]

*Insecurity* uncertainty or anxiety about oneself; lack of confidence. is what Anti-Natalism is, not a hard sell.

[@Scorned405]

I’m extremely anti natal. I have never seen any logic to reproduce. In some ways it’s incredibly selfish. People look at it as “ I want kids” but the child has absolutely no say in the matter. This world we live in does have some good but the sickness and horror of this life by far outweighs the good. This life is for the most part a living hell. Reproducing makes no sense and is incredibly selfish

[@Ashley-pb1pl]

I agree with you 100%

[@cretannia9790]

Have you considered that not everybody is suffering like you? I’m thriving, and so would my children.

[@Scorned405]

@@cretannia9790 So u absolutely know for sure your child will be healthy and happy?? You’re pretty sure aren’t u?

[@cretannia9790]

@@Scorned405 My genetics are solid and my bank account more so, so probably

[@Ashley-pb1pl]

@cretannia9790 I can guarantee everyone is suffering in some way, especially since covid. Yes, I believe the person you are referring to has considered what you have asked

[@finaldestination41]

Life sucks

[@HaltTheHarmsOfLife]

Quick elaboration on efilism. It is not just antinatalism extended to all sentient life, as that would be sentiocentric antinatalism. Efilism seems less defined and clear, with a lot of different people adding different things to it, some more utilitarian in nature.

[@sharonnoodles2870]

This star-struck documentarian seems to care more about promoting his interactions with C List celebrities than exposing the dark truth of efilism. What a wimp

[@Ashley-pb1pl]

Jack, I have watched your documentary twice already this evening. Thank you so much for this subject being discussed and filmed. Thumbs up all the way to you

[@TempehLiberation]

As a fellow pessimist I can absolutely relate to Life Sucks @35:30 (btw I love their coloring book, one of the coolest antinatalist things I've got).

[@antinatalope]

I'm usually very reticent to thumbs-up a non-antinatist's video on the topic, but you've done a very fair job of it, so you have my approval Jack. (I'm very fussy about these things.) 😂

[@JoseRivera0001-p2g]

i thought this had a million views man, good job on the quality. Ive subscribed

[@carlosgaspar8447]

the choice to live as a monk (or a nun) is not new and deals with the subject with less controversy.

[@antinatalope]

Just a quick shout out to Life Sucks. It was good to see and hear from you. Best wishes. Best wishes to all.

[@DoctoredGinst]

Absolutely-brilliant! I’m sharing this triumph of production.

[@flipphone4755]

Very interesting doc! Thank you!

[@HaltTheHarmsOfLife]

Excellent documentary! Hope this will get more attention, as it is a nice introduction to the philosophy.

[@mikem820]

Ever since Trump came into the scene I call my sons once a week and beg their forgiveness… and they are not granting any

[@carlosgaspar8447]

there was a story of a popular DJ in chicago (i think) who took his own life when GWBush became president. now you see bush chatting with clinton and amusing themselves. there is nothing new here, when looking back at politicians of the last 2500 years.

[@JohnAtkinson-v5z]

People sometimes wish they were alive. Sometimes they assume they are.

[@CalliNightmare]

Also, not just that, but procreating and not asking these questions truly make you more on the narssasistic vibe than not. Not even that, but your just entering in another cog into the capitalistic system we have to live in. Less people make it easier to bargain with our "supreme leaders" and demand for a better world. We actually have more power. Too many people, were at eachother throats.

[@niceglass3551]

40:19 Giving myself a headache trying to think of what I’d do in this guy’s shoes.

[@lhays117]

I met Danny Shine in Camden. He was a very entertaining and welcome surprise in my trip to get food to perpetuate my pointless existence of suffering.

[@niceglass3551]

Thanks for sharing the link Lawrence. Looking forward to this!

[@lovethyneibor22736]

Wow 😮 this is quite interesting... ❤

[@BrotherMarkus]

👀 Hawkward.

[@martina_verde3D]

Very nice film! They should show this to teenagers along side sex ed, at least they will make a more informed decision of what are they exactly doing if later they bring a child to the world.

[@connietrotterdedgrl6861]

Ty for the upload . Your voice sounds like exurb1a . One of my favorite content creators

[@ColburnClark]

Wow, what a great documentary! I like the variety of antinatalist thinkers. All of them wonderful people.

[@vDuzz]

Great documentary sir. You've done a good job of representing antinatalism.

[@TempehLiberation]

Fantastic, thank you for this. Well produced and greatly informative.

[@anigemini3958]

I have watched Amanda on softwhiteunderbelly and I have been fascinated by the topic of antinatalism ever since!

[@efilism]

Ahh, so you've been persuaded by the family friendly carefully constructed public persona. Keep digging.

[@anigemini3958]

​@@efilism It's the topic not the persona :)

[@logo-maniac5298]

I can’t help but think that antinatalism is primarily a byproduct of modern/contemporary society. Sure, there may be merit to the idea that not “imposing” life on one’s offspring is virtuous if considering that suffering at some level is inevitable in life, everyone’s life for that matter, and having a part in creating new life is in some way feeding into a continual cycle of human suffering. Do we not just have more ability, space, forums through social networking and over the internet to disseminate ideas about existential dilemmas though? Science/health science has advanced so much over the last century that people have increasingly longer life spans, but it seems that increased longevity in years doesn’t necessarily translate to people feeling that life experiences somehow have an improved quality. Why might that be-could be several reasons, but thinking to modern society vs. decades old society it seems like dramatic shifts in social norms/order and increasing trends toward individualism and autonomy as sacred values has served to heighten this “awareness” of suffering and its subjective definitions. Yes there are objectively painful/difficult experiences in life, part of it, but more than ever maybe we are feeding into a culture of crisis. Now it’s as if we have turned so far inward in our reflections on injustices, inequalities, “inherent” ills of society and its institutions that we are the ones facilitating this inconceivable world to exist in.

[@stephaniemichelle3671]

These anti human people have no understanding of what life is all about, imo. Why is everyone so afraid to suffer? Why do they not understand that you wouldn’t be able to find the joy in life without experiencing suffering? The world is perfect as it is, with all the bad and the good, it’s a whole perfect picture, and we’re lucky to get to experience being human.

[@JohnAtkinson-v5z]

There is an antedote for the suffering in the world. Birth would just be cruel, if there wasn't.

[@JohnAtkinson-v5z]

It's a dream not the timeless reality.

[@Martinguy287]

im curious about something: if its better to NOT bring in a life to decide whether they should stay alive or not, does that mean choice about whether to live or not live is wrong? if so why would murder be wrong? it is also not allowing choice thru a different method. if you don't want to murder someone you are deciding its ok for them to have a choice whether to live or die. then why shouldn't all possible life be given that same choice? this is NOT argument for murder, its a thought experiment and id like to see what antinatalists and others have to say about it.

[@leviahimsa]

There are plenty of children to adopt if anyone really wants to have children.

[@Braingore-de-Rais]

They are a finite resource lmao. Do you really want to raise Laqueesha's discarded spawn because you were too scared of childbirth/the "moral" aspect of having kids?

[@leviahimsa]

@Braingore-de-Rais Where does your belief come from that adoptable children are Laqueesha's discarded spawn? Laqueesha ain't no ho.

[@martina_verde3D]

​@@Braingore-de-Raisdid you even saw the film...?

[@stonecoldslate]

@@Braingore-de-Raiswhy is it wrong to raise a fellow human and make a kinder soul out of the worst of a situation?

[@teaadvice4996]

​@@stonecoldslatetyrone pounded them

[@vanessac1965]

The problem throughout history was not enough humans. Today it's too many humans. It's simple.

[@Ashley-pb1pl]

I loved this documentary it is brilliant. My personal view is to bring a child into this evil world that is getting worse and will always get worse is an act of evil

[@5pm_Hazyblue]

Excellent job 🎉🎉

[@shyrin369]

I couldn't agree more!

[@niceglass3551]

45:46 I love this quote.

[@SentientNebula]

1:00 I mean, if a fetus is a person... Then you should be able to do this xD

[@johnstephen399]

Excellent documentary, it was great to see Stanhope on here.

[@PlatonsArm]

The last line was so stupidly written. It’s like the documentarian didn’t understand anything that was said. Now we’re here, we’re social animals. How is finding community in shared moral beliefs contradictary to the moral beliefs? The moral belief is to end suffering, finding community is part of that goal.

[@PlatonsArm]

It is poorly titled as well. Click-baity, sure, but not honest to the ideas presented. ”I wish you weren’t forced to suffer” would be a more apt title.

[@domuniqueheiser4248]

Are you related to Zachary boswell?

[@MrMysterious420]

I got a feeling that Hasan will watch this on stream and I'm just here to say, at the top of the hour there is no longer a 3 minute ad break...

[@anigemini3958]

Love your documentary and your openess for the people and their stories. I feel antinatalists really are far more compassionate than other people and they can see the world for what it is. It is a bitter pill to swallow, but it's still the truth.

[@billg9502]

This was a excellent program .

[@PlatonsArm]

I wonder if Amanda rescued the dog, or if she paid a puppy mill for it?

[@spenwozhere]

Doug Stanhope is so funny!

[@German_Matias]

20:53 this dude is funny 😂😂😂

[@Ray_More]

How wonderful! Thanks for sharing this..

[@mikeschmidt8256]

If you’re not born then you don’t get to hear the ramones

[@dudabertoli8107]

This would be perfect

[@sharonnoodles2870]

Im sure this will please Amanda and the efilists. How proud you must be.

[@lepetitchat123]

Finally a decent documentary about US!! Glad to see the familiar faces and places

[@kristenmorreale307]

So mostly what they are saying is if my child suffers id rather them not even exist at all……furthering the wound! Imagine saying to someone who has had the worst thing to happen to them a young child gets sa’d and dies thats to me is one of the worst of the worst would you say to that child i wish you didn’t exist…. Furthering the wound….Suffering will always exist in this world maybe not in the next, ….but in this world to not be born is not to exist…i hate suffering especially when it comes to innocent people, children and animals…i get their sentiment to a point im all for choice of the women of course but in this case you shouldn’t have the idea just cause something has the potential to suffer they just need not to exist! I understand though they are speaking from a place of fear i totally get, this world is very scary indeed but also beautiful and fragile just like us. Practice strength not shame. Wishing all who may read this ❤️ love and peace!

[@126theman]

3:52 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@lm-rh3qo]

If you want to have kids then have kids. If you don't think you should then don't. If both sides explained themselves nothing would change. So stop trying to push that belief on either side. Its not your business.

[@kingofsimps7770]

People having access to assisted suicide and euthanasia also isn't anyone's business. My body my mf choice! 🙌

[@lm-rh3qo]

​@@kingofsimps7770 How did we get here?

[@JoseRivera0001-p2g]

I understand this perspective but my belief is that life contains bad and good. You choose how to view life and their isnt a objective perspective on how to view and feel about it. But then again who am i to say that you are wrong, if your experiences and social conditioning made you who you are, that is something i cannot take away from you. I always thought on the view of life to be a choice, and it is a choice to view it bad or good. Even if it is a "coping mechanism" to view it good and beautiful, the same way goes on viewing it bad and depressing, its a coping mechanism to prevent you from seeing the beauty and prevent suffering from attachment. I accepted all the wars, the suffering of the human condition and the bad things that come with life, but also accepted the beauty that comes from it. Its a matter of perspective.

[@RachelRichards]

You are 100000% correct here.

[@JoseRivera0001-p2g]

@@RachelRichards thank you

[@mjfraser04]

“It’s a matter of perspective” And right there is the rub. It is YOUR perspective. To force a life into existence, a life that will have his/her own perspective, because YOUR perspective is one with rose colored glasses is at the crux on Antinatlism. What if your offspring doesn’t share your perspective?

[@JoseRivera0001-p2g]

@@mjfraser04 then thats okay. if he thinks like that then i cant change him. trying to force change someone will make it worse and resent more. im not neither against nor in favor. Im not attacking anyones ideology here im just trying to offer a new perspective and what i believe a healthy one.

[@JoseRivera0001-p2g]

​@@mjfraser04 i suffered through existential nihilism 3 years ago and one thing that i noticed is that im choosing to identify with this unhealthy perspective of the world. and through meditation and journaling i accepted both the ugly and the beauty of life. im saying this story to inform that im not some ignorant pink tint colored glasses, im saying that i too suffered from a "bad" perspective that i got tired from and learned to genuinely enjoy life. The reality of the situation is that both perspectives are copes if you think about it. Both things are real.

[@GG-lr7vs]

Nobody I know who chose NOT to have kids is anti natalist. They simply made a personal choice. But they are supportive of their friends and family who do have kids. They love their nieces and nephews. They are just as happy as people who are parents. I’ve never met any of these anti natalists. They seem extreme. I think they’re just misanthropes.

[@TheFettuck]

Agreed! I'm child-free myself but I would never force/ask other people to not have children.

[@unclechaelsneckvein]

That means you don't know any antinatalists. So what? Some people think of others not just themselves and make decisions based on what they think is right, not what they personally want.

[@GG-lr7vs]

@@aryachaudhury2787I never said what you quoted there, buddy. Perhaps you got my comment confused with someone else’s. I don’t think anyone should be pressured into having kids. But I’m not going to shame people who do want kids. I respect personal choices. I only have one child and she’s grown and doesn’t want kids. I fully support her decision. My brother had a vasectomy in his 20s and has never regretted his decision. He’s happier than a lot of his friends who are bogged down with parenting. Parenting is hard. I love my daughter but I’m glad I didn’t have more kids.

[@TheFettuck]

@@aryachaudhury2787 You are only saying that my argument doesn't make sense because you don't want to lose the conveniences and benefits of procreated humans growing your food and basicly maintaining all of your necessities. Why is your own convenience more important than the suffering of other humans? You should live alone in the wild (only relying on yourself) when you don't want to impose suffering onto other procreated humans!

[@GG-lr7vs]

@@unclechaelsneckveinI get that but there seems to be an underlying contempt for humanity in general in some of their stances. It starts to sound a little absurd.

[@carlosrodriguez-od4bx]

Where David Benatar at!?

[@MonstrousInsect]

Busy defending Israel, no doubt

[@theantinatalistinformant]

Not to state the obvious, but I really wish you would have interviewed some black antinatalists. By not doing so, you open yourself up to eugenics arguments. Antinatalism is not a singular demographic.

[@gontlemanggeneral-segolodi5222]

I don't think so. There aren't any prominent black antinatalists. He also didn't interview Asians, Hispanics or anyone outside of the UK or America etc, but so what? You don't have to interview everyone. How could it simply eugenics?

[@theantinatalistinformant]

@gontlemanggeneral-segolodi5222 if that's the case, why do so many people think antinatalism is racist? Furthermore, their voices don't have to be prominent. It's about diversity of representation. If I show this documentary to black people, they think that it has nothing to do with them.

[@francisdec1615]

I'm a Swedish antinatalist. He didn't interview me 😐

[@theantinatalistinformant]

@francisdec1615 Oh please.

[@gontlemanggeneral-segolodi5222]

@@theantinatalistinformant he raised a legitimate concern.

[@gontlemanggeneral-segolodi5222]

Nice documentary

[@gontlemanggeneral-segolodi5222]

I am an antinatalist author. Maybe you can consider checking out my work.

[@Poeta_de_la_otra_esquina]

Brilliant and powerfull.

[@alisongreen7576]

These people just seem unhappy to the point of nihilism. I’m happily child free, and it makes environmental sense for people to have less children and for the human population of the world to at least not increase, and hopefully shrink gradually, but I’m absolutely not buying into “all life is not worth living” BS.

[@stonecoldslate]

You didn’t watch the video. Nor do you apparently grasp the concept and philosophy of Antinatalism.

[@Marius_vanderLubbe]

Intro way too long.

[@erika9353]

I'm more of an anti-natalist because of climate change.

[@tomaccino]

Wow, the coral reefs will appreciate your comment. If it becomes too hot by the end of the century it's not a problem, just move north or higher in altitude. If your coastal land is inundated, well, it's your fault! We're all driving cars, running electricity and burning fuel in the winter. If we exist or not, it doesn't really matter. If we wreck our home, we can adapt. Wild animals may not, but they have bigger problems to worry about (like not getting eaten and stuff). If we go extinct, mother nature will recover on its own, meanwhile after 50 million years lemurs will evolve, learn how to control fire, discover mathematics, create industrial revolution and cause this mayhem all over again... While climate change is a big risk, especially for the poor, it's really not a solid reason to go extinct. You'll see that the future generations will cope with it perfectly fine and they will laugh at your negativity. We've just started the AI revolution and next in queue is quantum computing revolution. Future is bright!

[@richardjulio5745]

It’s the best and effective reflection for all the humans.

[@lovethyneibor22736]

Incredible ❤

[@niceglass3551]

4:49 😳😆

[@efilism]

You dropped the ball, Jack.

[@theslyngl]

Care to elaborate

[@whycreatemorehumans]

@@theslyngl please don't ask him that!!!

[@efilism]

@@whycreatemorehumans Why? You worried about people finding out you're sympathetic towards propedocontent?

[@theslyngl]

@@whycreatemorehumans Care to elaborate

[@naturalisted1714]

*We all already didn't exist* _yet a life was still imposed_ ... Your lack of existing wasn't able to stop a life from doing an "imposition". This proves that not existing is utterly incapable of stopping a life from being imposed. So, had you never been born, what would have stopped some other life from doing the imposition? Billions upon billions of lives are born each day. Animals, humans, and who knows what other life forms are "out there". That's all "you" are: a life, in a generic sense. So, had _this_ life (the one reading this) not been born, then some other life would have done the imposition: If it isn't one life it's another. It wouldn't have been you going into some other brain... "you" is what a brain does. Billions of brains are doing "yous" right now. Just as there was no escaping this life, there wouldn't have been an escape from some other life. This reveals that the idea of not existing as better to be a deeply flawed way of thinking. A deepity. The only way not existing could be better is if there were some sort of peaceful state before we existed.

[@whycreatemorehumans]

word salad. let me make antinatalism simple so that even people like you can understand it. Forget better not to have been. Even though I answered the question in the film, having thought about it, its a bit of a silly question. The real question is to YOU - the commenter above and anyone reading this. Can you give me a good reason based in wisdom, logic and compassion, for bringing a new sentient being to life (or like Amanda put it, raising someone from the dead?) that can and will be harmed, cause harm to others and die?

[@naturalisted1714]

​@@whycreatemorehumans I was clearly addressing the idea that not existing somehow stops a life from being imposed. Clearly it cannot: Every single person and animal that has ever existed, at one point in time, didn't exist. So it is an undeniable fact that not existing is completely ineffective at stopping a life from doing an imposition. That's my concern, not what you're trying to change the topic to. Sure, there may not be any reason to have kids, but I'm addressing the part of the conversation that says it can be better to not exist. It can only be better if there's an experience of peace for those who do not exist. Nothing I said was word salad... Seeing it as word salad just reveals that you don't get it. The only word salad is "better to not exist"... This phrase appeases the unthinking mind.

[@stonecoldslate]

Billions are not born every day.

[@2025already]

Serious question 😂 how many of these antinatalists have a diagnosis of some sort 🤣

[@DBARhandle]

How many pronatalists have a diagnosis?

[@2025already]

@DBARhandle "pronatalists" ? You mean normal people?

[@stonecoldslate]

⁠@@2025alreadyno. Pronatalism is not normal.

[@AshWintersJr]

Superficial documentary

[@user-qd2xw3mk3t]

Look at all of these winners of the Darwin Award.

[@RachelRichards]

Antinatalism is an exaggerated belief in harm avoidance. I also don't understand why these people don't just exit life. Oh, unless they get a sense of purpose from Antinatalism! Maybe they think life is worth living, at least by their actions.

[@RachelRichards]

@@aryachaudhury2787 - Of course being a parent is a tough job. Existence is difficult. I also didn't say anything about "procreation society" - not sure where you got that. You are focusing exclusively on negative parts of life: Smartphones, single family dynamics, broken education system, and the lack of a guarantee of a perfect life. And no, I didn't advise you to harm yourself. I questioned why your ideology wouldn't lead you to exit life, but I'm not surprised you're arguing in bad faith.

[@RachelRichards]

@@aryachaudhury2787 - I do want a child and if they chose to never have kids, I might br sad but it's their life. My family doesn't care if I ever have kids.

[@whycreatemorehumans]

@@RachelRichards why do you want to have a child? did you CHOOSE TO WANT to have a child?

[@RachelRichards]

@@whycreatemorehumans - No, I didn't choose to want to have a child. I've always loved them. My problem is with ideology. If you don't want to have kids, that's fine, but don't be so obsessed with harm avoidance that you create a whole ideology out of it.

[@niceglass3551]

@@RachelRichards They DO think life is worth living. They DON’T think life is worth starting. You see, it’s about making the best out of a terrible situation.

[@omarir-gw3ku]

would have been better, but there is a wisdom in suffering. god wants us to reproduce

[@gontlemanggeneral-segolodi5222]

Lmao

[@GG-lr7vs]

Lol so you admit being a parent is a pain in the arse? 😂

[@Ashley-pb1pl]

Is this how you defend abuse by saying there is wisdom in suffering? It sounds like you want us to pass on suffering because god wants us to. I can't think of a worse parent than god

[@MADSCIENTISTGONESANE6166]

Well, God isn't whispering in my ear - and also free will to make choices 😜😜😏😏😏

[@DBARhandle]

Prove that there is a god and that you know what they want from us

[@econ6610]

Loved it