Iain Dale asks Penny Mordaunt if she still believes trans women are women | LBC

Iain Dale asks Tory leadership contender Penny Mordaunt if she still believes trans women are women.
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[@RobynLeSueur]

I'm trans and I don't care about this half as much as these people. Can we talk about the cost of living crisis please?

[@postpunky]

all issues are important, cost of living affects EVERYONE so don’t worry, cost of living is the priority.

[@assses-3216]

I care, but largely because it terrifies me what some of those contenders will attempt if they come into office. I can't stand this back peddling of rights.

[@fenhen]

You can talk about more than 1 thing. Something like this will never ever be discussed based on your logic.

[@chrislambe400]

They will do their best as always to ignore the needs of the public and distract and shift the focus and debates to highly polarising issues to hide their failures and shortcomings. And shovel public money into tory donor pockets.

[@ysabelcook9521]

@@postpunky suella and rishi and kemi dont seem to agree with you 🤭 they are more focused on these culture wars and people on benefits 😒

[@susanpotter9720]

Nothing worse th an a woman who throws other women and girls under the bus..mordant is a prime example ...

[@tonygange7636]

Men in dresses arent "women".

[@lauralishes1]

As usual a Tory denying what we all saw and heard for ourselves. We need the lot of them gone

[@gary63693]

Don't you listen? or do you have selective hearing?

[@postpunky]

@@gary63693 okay gary time to take your meds

[@lovesees4320]

Damb my lieing eyes😂

[@daliamosesp]

wish people would stop using trans people lives as if they're some kind of political football to be kicked around for easy point scoring so few people in the UK are actually trans. yet it dominates news headlines constantly now. it's so frustrating to see.

[@gw2934]

Do you not recognise marxism in motion?

[@paulreynolds7103]

@@gw2934 you don't even understand the meaning of that word

[@JottoHearthStone]

@@gw2934 when you learn what the word means you can use it.

[@casperwallace9685]

I think you will find, no one is stopping anyone calling themselves what ever they wish for what ever reason. They are saying. their trans rights are not MORE important than women's safe area rights. You don't get the right to destroy someone else's rights because of what you believe, because you feel this way or that way, it should NOT over ride the rights of woman.

[@georgebeswick7549]

@@casperwallace9685 What politicians are trying to do is restrict trans people from being the gender that they identify as

[@rivolinho]

"Yeah, I can't heat my home AND buy three squates meals for the family..... BUT GENDER NEUTRAL BOGS.....WHAT ABOUT THAT!"

[@BedboundME]

The tories & C membership obsessing over this and hating trans, can afford to heat their homes

[@Pemmont107]

Why can't we have both? Why should these things be exclusive?

[@prodigiii712]

It’s Tory leadership race. You don’t have say neither do you have a vote.

[@betty-boo9821]

@@prodigiii712 What's wrong with you. The UK is not a totalitarian state people have a right to speak their minds.

[@TheOrlandoTrustfull]

Can we focus on stuff like people who literally can't afford to feed themselves?

[@stevea8320]

Yes i agree!!! We need to shut down the farms for the globalist agenda this will help!!

[@vivo-audio]

We're about to get an unelected right-wing government with policies that will make life worse for those already living in poverty. I doubt it will be addressed until these criminals are kicked out of office.

[@NTVT1999]

Yeah but having a PM that denies the experience and identity of people she's representing isn't the best thing in the world and should be addressed if she decided to change her position so publicly

[@TheOrlandoTrustfull]

Hunger and poverty is an issue that is affecting everyone, including trans people. This is just political point scoring.

[@SevenSagesRO]

Who literally can't afford to feed themselves?

[@nataliewhite7104]

What is so fascinating about these kinds of 'culture war' issues to me is that nearly everyone I meet doesn't care about them, but I see every news organisation reporting on them, all the time. (Edit) That is to say, media organisations ratcheting up the culture war for profit or politics harms everyone, and we would maybe stop being at each other's throats so much if media outlets didn't constantly try to make an issue of things like this.

[@friendgray1]

Trying to wind up the right wingers

[@assses-3216]

The issue I have with this specific political conversation is it is undermining and back-peddling a lot of the rights we as a community fought for, the fact such rights were enshrined in law shows just how marginal the voices against Trans rights were. Now a few high profile people have got in with this group of ultra-conservative feminists who have historically aligned themselves with anti-abortion groups, we have to have conversations about 'tolerance' which, frankly, if someone is struggling to grasp the concept of, well I'm not sure I care to hear their opinions.

[@andrewrobinson2565]

Your comment says a lot about the company you keep. 🤔😄

[@modestproposal9114]

The Right wing is intellectually and morally bankrupt with unpopular policies. They use culture war issues to distract voters from the fact they are being f***Ed.

[@mikeymc3094]

Natalie Yes we get it rammed down our throats

[@kevint1719]

She's been called a liar on this by politicians and civil servants who worked with her. By their accounts she did try and push for "self-ID" and she did try and keep the word woman out of legislation. She just wants the issue to go away while she's running for leader and it won't work.

[@lovesees4320]

Let's hope not But seeing as we voted BoJo in who is a professional lier, Not sure we can depend on anything, apart from ourselves & each other🤗

[@louiecarter2261]

It should go away, it's entirely a non-issue. This being brought up as a big issue when we are in the largest economic crisis of the last 80 years is ridiculous. There is no data to support trans people being a danger to women in women's spaces.

[@jzilla1234]

Penny understands..... She just doesn't care. Like a proper true blue tory. Does not give a hoot.

[@localreviewking134]

I wonder if she wins in how much she will spend on the wallpaper 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@dexcova7141]

Keeping hanging on to those dying, vacuous, Tory tropes, you obviously need something to believe in.

[@paulreynolds7103]

I cannot believe you give time to this junk.... who cares what people identify as... food and fuel prices are a real problem

[@rohitballal5654]

You aren't a woman so of course it doesn't affect you.

[@andrewrobinson2565]

See my answer above 🏳️‍🌈. Why did you click on this clip?

[@solentforest]

@@andrewrobinson2565 what answer?

[@chesterdonnelly1212]

Women should care because it’s their rights that are under threat

[@solentforest]

@@chesterdonnelly1212 give an example?

[@ironsideeve2955]

How can a conservative support calling a man a woman?

[@assses-3216]

Because she's done more than 2 seconds of thinking.

[@arzemagic]

You say safe spaces for women does that include people just say they are women because you’re not very clear on that

[@pureplay7071]

Like when she said the UK didn't have a veto to stop Turkey's accession into the European Union.. We did. She's going back on thing's she said years ago now she wan'ts to be PM, she would do far better just to say I was wrong but like Boris she would rather lie.

[@chesterdonnelly1212]

Yeah she is a liar

[@jamesc6039]

It is so thoroughly depressing that this issue gets the time it does. All the hugely important things a tory PM needs to fix, and this is the breaking issue for some. Pathetic

[@cathcath1324]

@JackB I say it too

[@mikeymc3094]

@JackB Jack B it’s clowns like u that give these ppl credit If a man wants to call himself a three legged buffalo He can do so Just don’t bother the rest of us with ur problem

[@Paul-eb4jp]

@@mikeymc3094 It's only the right wing who get wound up about this, leave people alone to get on with life.

[@davidchamberlain5425]

If your born a female !you cannot change that👍.you can be trans that's all👍....FACT!

[@derekharrison1582]

Piers Morgan seems to be obsessed with this issue as well.Just can’t stop banging on about it.

[@tashcow90]

4:39 "Nicola.. Nicola.. Please listen while I try to gaslight you.."

[@LordOfLight]

Whoever they vote for, we'll get a Tory.

[@marklester1711]

Thanks for that Captain Obvious!

[@LordOfLight]

@@marklester1711 I believe the current term is "whoosh".

[@markjohnston7869]

She is a liar. So a Tory then.

[@thinkingbig2280]

Precisely

[@matthewbloom276]

These issues only become important when you remain an MP in a populist, English nationalist party that is in a race to the right. Why would you even want to lead a party where your colleagues and competitors see this as a reason to discredit you

[@danw5760]

you have no understanding of the words that you use, unless you're fundamentally dishonest

[@celebalert5616]

What party is that?

[@tomscott1368]

@@dannykryan we do and it's in power so enjoy i guess

[@llengsuch3426]

The question of someone saying "Trans Women Are Women" is important because it is a denial of reality and a demonstration of submission and conformity to Wokery. As an analogy, it's like "2.+2=5" from George Orwell's 1984. It's about denying what you know to be real, in conformity to dogma and ideology. Trans women are NOT women. Trans women are male. Anyone who cannot speak the truth, who takes the knee in obeisance to Far-Left authoritarianism, or so-called "Trans Activism", cannot be trusted with the responsibility of government. Voters beware!

[@kevincoshner310]

Matthew. Because people are very concerned about `creeping Woke` in the nation. Even more concerned that those who disagree get `cancelled`. Woke is `jackboot` stuff - if there was `choice` we would not complain!

[@pault1289]

'Naval career' - wasn't she a reservist?

[@n0tflix]

She's changed her stance to suit her populist narrative - she has no character and no backbone. She's a career politician and like career politicians, they keep banging on about things like trans issues that virtually nobody in real life is bothered about, except extreme nutters. What are her opinions about the helping the homeless or sorting out pay rises in line with inflation? And why is she more concerned about giving super rich corporations tax breaks when ordinary working people are using food banks?

[@oracle8589]

She doesn’t ask the questions tho does she?

[@kevinsmith5649]

Yep she would make a great PM fingers crossed

[@ty194]

Why do you think that people's wages should be the government's concern unless they work in the public sector?

[@n0tflix]

@@ty194 beverage the minimum wage should be enough to live on - the government controls how much the minimum wage should be

[@ty194]

@@n0tflix There should be no minimum wage. Government has no business setting wages and all minimum wages do is price people and small businesses out of the market and makes it harder to compete with big corporations. Making the minimum wage a so called living wage is a fallacy because you will just inflate the economy so it will never be enough to "live on".

[@markjohnston7869]

I don't think it will sit well with the military or the veteran community having what they refer to as "a Walt" in charge of the country. A Walt is somebody who lies about or massively exaggerates their military career. Claiming to have done things or been things that they have not. It is also referred to as stolen valour. Mordaunt does this. She claims to be a Captain in the Navy when in reality this is only an honorary rank she wangled when working in the defence ministry. Her Navy career if it can be called that was to advance no further than an "acting" Sub Lieutenant and was singularly unremarkable. If she lies or exaggerates he military credentials do we really want another PM like Boris. Her claims to be a Captain would be on par to Carol Vorderman claiming to actually be a Group Captain in the RAF. Neither are.

[@chesterdonnelly1212]

It seems that she lies and embellishes to the point of being delusional.

[@MaxDamageTV]

She mentioned having to compete with men in her "naval career"? WHAT naval career????? She was made an "honorary captain" (which she herself pushed through as defense sec). Shes probably NEVER even been on naval boat. Lol

[@ploppysonofploppy6066]

Been in the RNVE since 2010. Like overgrown sea scouts. An obvious publicity stunt, and see how she milks it. It'll bite her in the backside.

[@lovesees4320]

Talk about Stolen Valor Disgusting

[@jimbo_1312]

She was like naval reserve... or whatever the navy equivalent of the TA is. So basically she played dress up and jumped on a submarine in Portsmouth Harbour one weekend a month.

[@SANDSCORCHER]

As soon as she began her reply with a superfluous “So”, my eyes glazed over and my ears went to sleep.

[@GriefTourist]

Yeah this is a far more important issue than having a vast underclass and an enormous mental health crisis

[@lovesees4320]

This is a mental health crisis Young people are mutilating themselves due to gender disforia Gender disforia is a mental health condition 🙏

[@apebass2215]

People pretending to be something they're not, while demanding everyone else plays along, is relevant to that "enormous mental health crisis".

[@OrionDoesThings]

@@apebass2215 we aren't pretending, but yes this does have an impact on the mental health crisis

[@apebass2215]

@@OrionDoesThings It's all a big game of pretend, you might've fooled yourself but you're not fooling me.

[@mauricecraig9531]

She didn't have a hugely distinguished career in the Navy. It was an Honorary Captain position she was awarded on the 30th June 2021 (probably by herself) and she was only on Reserve List 6. She probably was never on a ship or even the ferry to France. She was an Acting sub-lieutenant at a shore establishment in Portsmouth. If she gets to be Prime Minister because the other people are useless, she will be found out in her lies like all the rest of the Conservatives Cabinet who told lies every day to keep Boris Johnson in power

[@jazzx251]

She is a Captain in Her Majesty's Navy. As Prime Minister, she will also be commander of ALL of the armed forces. She will be able to take Putin on from more than just her natural habitat, the sea - that which she was clearly born to. Murky depths that yield massive rewards.

[@dannyfeller7034]

To be appointed as an honorary cpt in the RN would be quite an appointment to be given.

[@mauricecraig1070]

Not such an honour if your in The Treasury and involved in the selection process

[@dannyfeller7034]

@@mauricecraig1070 you a wee bit jealous?

[@paulkazjack]

Still more than what youve achieved.

[@WorldOfWeebcraft]

Shes a tory of course shes not pro trans rights etc can we talk about actual issues such as people dying from poverty in the uk

[@tobygrantham7215]

The problem is she rightfully stood in support of trans people in the House of Commons. And is only throwing them under the bus now to improve her chances of being elected by the Tory membership, so depressing.

[@assses-3216]

Trans rights are a real issue, but I wish the conversation would leave their rights enshrined in law and find some other mythological danger to society.

[@Adam-th7qt]

@@tobygrantham7215 yeah it's very sad. The way she answers these questions indicates she has an understanding of trans issues and common counters against transphobia. She probably did genuinely support trans people, but she's willing to go back on it to appeal to the rabid terf and conservative base that now sees trans people as some existential threat to them.

[@killbotone6210]

It's funny how this non debate is slways framed around Trans Woman and what's a woman. Nobody seems bothered about Trans men or asking what a Man is?

[@MrRailjunkie]

That's because trans men don't work as victims for the right wing culture war so they focus on women.

[@simplename8072]

Because transmen are not pushing for their "right" to use the Gents toilet. No need for it. The transman can just temporarily declare/self-identify as a woman then use the Ladies toilet.

[@assses-3216]

It's because it's a group of ultra conservative women who align themselves with anti-abortion groups kicked up this stink in the first place. They are invested in challenging the legal rights of women and will stop at nothing to attempt to undermine UK law to reach their regressive ends.

[@-eLMango-]

Kemi for PM.

[@johnrussell3961]

What I think doesn’t matter. It’s the opinion of elderly Tory members that matter if I want to win. And they are stuck in the 1950’s.

[@johnhollyoak9295]

I think you mean the 1850’s.

[@assses-3216]

I love Boomer economics, it's so delusional it would be hilarious if it wasn't so damaging to out nation and future prospects

[@prodigiii712]

You’re stuck in 2016. Trans extremism is a serious issue for conservatives and she will lose this leadership race for being a wacko woke warrior.

[@assses-3216]

@@prodigiii712 what exactly do you mean by trans extremism?

[@crewie94]

Every time she mentions her military background I laugh a little in disgust. Her Dad is the one that served, not this human pestilence.

[@lovesees4320]

Exactly Talk about stolen Valor 🤡🌎

[@crewie94]

@Laura UK It's not serving on a mil' base. If so I suppose the cleaners are worthy of honorary Captain awards?

[@robertwilson3866]

To be fair she was in the navy. But I agree people should stop mentioning it every 5 minutes. "Mordaunt was a member of the Royal Naval Reserve from 2010 until 2019. From 2010 until 2015, she served as an acting sub-lieutenant, at shore establishment HMS King Alfred on Whale Island, Portsmouth."

[@donrayjay]

She does seem to realise that political communication 101 is to state your own position positively, I.e. not to say what your position isn’t. If in doubt, remember to remove the word “not” from the sentence and reword it into a positive statement

[@surreptitiousscreamer]

Or we could stop making a science out of brainwashing people into thinking what you want them to think in order to further your own interests.

[@tajs476]

We could have meteor rocks hitting the Earth and Godzilla destroying big Ben and Tory voters would still be having the trans debate.

[@Alex-cm7hr]

Probably because there is rather a lot to debate. Or is giving 12 year olds hormone blockers just something that should be waved through without scrutiny?

[@raellawrence7116]

@@Alex-cm7hr yes, if that's what they need to prevent long term psychological damage. Hormone blockers are not permanent. Puberty is.

[@EtharealBTB]

@@Alex-cm7hr Why do you care? If that's thier choice, and thier parents are fine with it, then who are you to say they cant? If that makes them happy, why would you want to stand in the way of that? It makes 0 impact on your life. Put your bible down and mind your own business.

[@Alex-cm7hr]

@@EtharealBTB no it's simply not acceptable to use these treatments on anyone under 18. If we had irrefutable proof that men and women have distinct brains and that you can literally be born in the wrong body - then I would perhaps be more open to it. But right now we are a long way from that point.

[@EtharealBTB]

@@Alex-cm7hr Why is it not acceptable? So its unaccpetable the day before a person's 18th birthday, but the day after it's fine? Is it simply not acceptable because you choose not to accept it? And if so, why? Personally like I say, it makes 0 impact on my life, and if it makes that person happier, then why not?

[@terrysmith5168]

Notice how she puts the emphasis on herself 🤡 deflecting from the straight forward question 👎🏻

[@kennbracey6048]

I wouldn't vote for her. Seems to have an excuse lined up for every question.

[@kennbracey6048]

@Chris Wings It Nope. None of them seem credible but that's who the tory party members have got to choose from. All as bad as each other. Remember the last time they had this chance....and they voted for a serial liar in Boris.

[@apneiaproductions696]

She's a politician.

[@guantou2520]

Too woke, my vote would go to Kemi

[@royalalloy3471]

She will agree with whom ever is in front of her... Its the system that must change not individuals.

[@23bit76]

The tories culture war will come back to bite them hopefully

[@HappyAwesomePower]

Why are they all so obsessed with this it’s so embarrassing for them all.

[@kevincoshner310]

it is of course the media that is obsessed with alternative lifestyles, not `firstly` the politicians.

[@zoemavridi2763]

Why the heck are women’s rights in any way threatened by trans people???

[@nathanshaw5037]

Because the media says so

[@jamie306]

Same bathrooms, same prisons, same safe spaces, same sport sides, etc, etc. Basically being treated no diff than a biological male/female. No distinction. Statistically, that has given rise to a hole host of pressing issues and the further victimisation of women. Not that I personally have a view on the matter.

[@Kraken54321]

🤦

[@rhysholdaway]

It's just crazy that people treat this as a serious concern! Work out which party is really being marginalised and threatened and then stand by that group.

[@PaulAnthonyDuttonUk]

It’s very serious. If her opinion on a fundamental can be so easily subverted for sake of wokeness shows how easily she can be led astray.

[@rhysholdaway]

@@PaulAnthonyDuttonUk I agree. She should have shot down the interviewer. Ask him to define what a woman is. He'll realise pretty soon what a dumb question that is.

[@solentforest]

@Nonya Bus transphobe

[@solentforest]

@Nonya Bus you're proud about being terrified of trans people? Ok...

[@fifiadan]

That’s terrible advice

[@realityalwaysbulliesopinio1961]

Not really interested in this issue but her non answer was very telling

[@cathcath1324]

All channels seem to have an obsession with this. It’s honestly bizarre

[@Historyfraghead]

Only if you don't care about women's rights

[@cathcath1324]

@@Historyfraghead lol what?

[@Historyfraghead]

@Macavity it isn't equality to place vìòlent males in womens prisons

[@stevenhoward3358]

Its amazing how principals take a back seat when popular support is paramount

[@globalist1990]

That’s what being a public servant entails.

[@lovesees4320]

Politicians Principles 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@robertwhyte5078]

This topic again!

[@kincaidwolf5184]

Penny "i pushed through the bill into law that men can become legally women" but this isn't my position but the government position

[@kincaidwolf5184]

@Steph D. What are you on about LOL. You don't know my position on the issue. So instead of generalising with comments like "people like you" how about you get a life.

[@audreymcgready4329]

Bet she voted against feeding the kids.

[@dudeatx]

Why does the media think every politician has to pass this test?

[@savetheplanet2982]

The Conservatives have NEVER agreed with self ID. It was put to the general public as a consultation in 2019 which sought to gain feedback from the general public including trans people as to whether the public as a consensus felt that self ID was an acceptable and appropriate way to allow transgender people to transition. The outcome of that consultation was that self ID was NOT appropriate. By this time, Liz Truss was appointed the Equalities Minister so she got the credit for not allowing trans people to self ID whereas it had nothing to do with Liz Truss. It should be credited to Penny Mordaunt. Maybe that is why Tory grassroots who know a bit more about what happened at the time are more inclined to support Penny Mordaunt.

[@jamie306]

If that were truly the case she would’ve said so, but she she didn’t. And that is certainly not what happened. And her views are pretty woke on multiple issues if you do your research. Grassroots succour support for her owing to their utter lack of cognisance of her views on a myriad things.

[@prodigiii712]

She supported self ID.

[@jonnybingham1]

@@prodigiii712 no, she didn’t

[@prodigiii712]

@@jonnybingham1 yes she did.

[@kenhaynes4259]

Blah blah blah... another waste of space who is now only saying what ''she'' thinks you want to hear ! She certainly wouldn't get my vote.

[@speedyhillski]

You should probably ask why she feels the need to exaggerate her military service

[@simplename8072]

Because she's got nothing else. She couldn't point to her work on Brexit, nor on her work with Frost. People have publicly exposed her as incompetent, missing-in-action, lazy and leftie-woke.

[@pershorefoodbanktrusselltr3632]

If you can change your gender, can you change race? And if not, why not?

[@colincampbell4261]

Looks like the tories might elect another Liar.

[@thechopperharrispunctualta9885]

she does not have the required experience to be a PM , it really exposes the lack of quality in the tory party that she will probably win

[@HCRS95]

What experience do you want her to have? She’s held several cabinet posts over the last 8 years which is more than Keir Starmer’s 0

[@TazW73]

She’s totally untrustworthy with woman and children’s right’s and safeguarding … she made a complete mess of the situation - Liz truss came in and sorted it out - thankfully.

[@sue5730]

Did she say “if I had a vasectomy, I’d still be a woman? 😜

[@dupeshway]

Mascectomy

[@Matt-vp6eq]

Such a non-issue in the grand scheme of things.

[@dawnmoriarty9347]

Not to the people enduring prejudice. However I take your point that other issues affect more people

[@Historyfraghead]

It is important to women

[@webdesignerguy]

@Nonya Bus Yes, men are also allowed to have opinions.

[@webdesignerguy]

​@@Historyfraghead Not according to the polls. According to the latest British Social Attitudes Survey only 17% of British women say they have a problem with trans women using women's public toilets. It's a small minority of mostly men who are against trans rights.

[@Historyfraghead]

@@webdesignerguy The average member of the public doesn't know that the vast majority of these males have zero surgery and are still fully intact. They also don't know that the vast majority of these males are sexually attracted to women. If they did, I'm sure that survey would show a very different result

[@Uduwerage]

A number of LBCs hosts are amongst the most vocal when it comes to peddling populist hatred, and the Tory Party has almost all swallowed this line. PM appeared at one to be different, but when the opportunity arose for potential power she fell into line.

[@mikeymc3094]

Politicians wud. put a price on their own dead mother if they thort it’d get them wot they want Totally without morals scruples or the slightest hint of self respect ✊

[@giabe8470]

Nicola ....get a life and stop hating!

[@davidpearn2484]

Mordaunt loves the song lola by the kinks.

[@coppershark1973]

Can we start asking more pressing questions? Such as, do you believe in CLIMATE CHANGE and what do you propose to do about it?

[@alexfilma16]

Facts.

[@deanlowdon8381]

Why is this issue constantly discussed!? It makes absolutely no difference to my life what people decide they want to be identified as. I’m more concerned about my rising bills, the increasing cost to fill my car, the ever growing NHS waiting lists.

[@assses-3216]

This is the thing though isn't it? The right seem intent on finding certain people in society to pin problems on. The kind of people who find calling people by the correct pronoun offensive are probably not the right people to appeal to in the first place.

[@deanlowdon8381]

@@assses-3216 Yeah, it’s always been the same. Sadly it seems to be a pretty effective way of avoiding all the real issues the Tories continually fail to deal with.

[@assses-3216]

@@deanlowdon8381 I agree, 12 years in government, 3 leaders have resigned and their promises about responsible economic management haven't come to pass. They have stagnated the economy and crippled public services. That is their legacy. A new face isn't going to change their moral void which is conservative ideology. And so, I can kind of see why they may need to distract us ;)

[@deanlowdon8381]

@@assses-3216 Funny how none of this Tory party seem to think anything is their fault despite being in power for 12 years…

[@assses-3216]

@@deanlowdon8381 Atleast if they weren't in office this kind of disastrous leadership musical chairs would be a hilarious. It's just sad people who believe so religiously in personal responsibility, can't take any.

[@justsayen2024]

Ahh the Tories once again have they're finger on the pulse of what's important to the everyday Joe 🙄

[@apebass2215]

You think the everyday Jane wants Joe in her changing room and sports?

[@daveabbott]

They used to be called transvestites and dressed up at the weekend.

[@The_Sisyphean]

She’s a WEF stooge.

[@Blonde_Somnambulist]

Here we are on the brink of war, social and economic collapse, and yet diversity issues are a preoccupation. What a mess we are in .

[@alistairpayne5357]

It's called propaganda lol been seeing lots of that on the telly , just misdirection for the sheep who don't know what's coming

[@lovesees4320]

Food shortages😔

[@scottmeehan2422]

she been caught out and is now trying to backout to make her seem more right wing.

[@mariewalker4010]

She just doesn't convince me

[@nokking1108]

The face in front, make little difference. The donors, and the corporations, are the ones running the country.

[@daveoliver5838]

Who is the chosen one? Blonde Liz Truss, BBC’s favourite boy Sunak or well connected Tom Tugendhat ?

[@harpsailorharp6716gg]

Wish politicians would just talk about the decaying UK and its issues of poverty and cost of living .....

[@marklester1711]

Have you ANY evidence she wanted to talk about this, she was asked the question and answered it, can you imagine the flak she would have attracted if she’d refused to answer the question?

[@derekarnold3665]

Exactly how people are trans in the UK? I would have thought there were more pressing issues to resolve.

[@redtim3690]

And her position is?

[@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689]

Why is this even a 'debate? Biologically no, in a sociological sense yes.

[@hannahtaybooks]

Kemi for PM all the way.

[@paulbarrett22]

shes head and shoulders above the rest of these losers

[@Historyfraghead]

She's a breath of fresh air. And seems to care about free speech. I hope she wins

[@hannahtaybooks]

@@Historyfraghead Me too.

[@steveb951]

How is defining a woman as a woman or woman as a man or a man as a lizard going to pay the heating bill. This isn’t helpful.

[@jeezy8360]

Who is she. Who is she?

[@umarshirazi2620]

Ask about why there are food banks and people who work have to get universal credit to survive. Also why haven’t wages increased so people who are working get a living wage

[@tonymcfeisty2478]

I'd love Penny to elaborate further on her no doubt long and distinguished "Naval" Career. or maybe she's referring to a career working with belly buttons

[@Cyderpunk]

One commentator said she had the skills to captain a ship. Utter BS.

[@stephaniewhite9526]

Can't people stop kicking the trans community around like footballs. I had the gender operation 6 years ago, what I am concerned about is that this is crossing over from unacceptance, to now ridicule, and bordering to hate. Any genuine trans person just tries to blend in and live their life in harmony and peace.

[@lovesees4320]

Then talk to the TRA & Let's start respecting Everyone's needs🕊️

[@davidz3879]

How about women's sports? Lia Thomas has a massive unfair advantage.

[@jamie306]

Cool. Live in peace as a trans person, not as a full fledged member equal to the biologically born of the gender transitioned to.

[@assses-3216]

@@jamie306 it absolutely makes no difference to you which they do. And they have every right to live with the same freedoms and protections afforded to all women recognised under UK law. Making an exception is not equality and frankly, ideaologies which make exceptions very rarely stop making them. Which btw is exactly what the fring group of ultra-conservative 'feminists' who kicked up this stink want. They align themselves with groups who want to infringe on women's rights by preventing their access to abortions. Read up on that. Because frankly, the only way of ensuring women's rights is by being inclusive of trans people.

[@sueskinner1459]

I wish I could have asked her why she associates with Bill Gates and why she adheres to the WEF ideology ?!?!

[@benneden2580]

Why does the caller care about this?

[@tomsmyth4836]

How was she not taken up on her ridiculous claim that people can be reissued a birth certificate with a different gender? Have we totally lost thee plot?

[@sardav160479]

Being trans in the UK i have never felt more afraid or feel so isolated

[@raellawrence7116]

You still have allies

[@jacktheripper5661]

Well you made your bed now lay in it

[@nightride1985]

Most people don't care about this issue and know that Trans people are no different than anyone else - it's all hot air to distract from their incompetence and lack of caring for anyone but their own or anything but their own agenda. Don't be afraid of these bullies!

[@Blonde_Somnambulist]

I'd be more afraid of the quality of contenders , seems they are all WEF globalist apprentices , now THATS something to be scared of .

[@sardav160479]

@@raellawrence7116 thank you

[@themsmloveswar3985]

Priorities in a country that is nominally in the first world, but has increasing levels of deprivation.

[@eddielap]

She wants women only spaces. she considers trans women to be women. So nothing to see here.

[@allenrenfro8837]

doesn't the UK have supply chain issues, utility cost issues, brexit issues, out of control inflation? I don't see how people could be upset over transgender people when the UK has so many other issues that truly affect all the citizens of the country

[@chesterdonnelly1212]

The issue is not trans people, the issue is womens rights which affects half of the population

[@ambientjohnny]

@@chesterdonnelly1212 Exactly! Trans activists are so incredibly self-centered.

[@mindslaw4961]

Waah, waah, my rights are infringed by what other people's birth certificates say, waaah

[@russellwarwick]

I think she seems to be the only one trying to end this silly debate. Can we just move on and start focusing on bigger things.

[@atverde]

"If I had a vasectomy I would still be a woman" 🤔🤔🤔

[@deejakes1655]

😂 I know right...

[@arzemagic]

Mastectomy

[@atverde]

@@arzemagic nope

[@arzemagic]

@@atverde Listen to it again carefully 2 mins in

[@atverde]

@@arzemagic I did listen about 3 times. I hear vasectomy every time.

[@stephenwhiteley9744]

She's a fantastic candidate for Labour Leader

[@msrainbowbrite]

she just contradicted herself. she compared a person going thru a hysterectomy as the same as a man getting new tidbits and then said they aren't identical ... make ya mind up

[@assses-3216]

No, what she said was women exist in many forms and applying a hierarchy of womanhood based on the ability to bare a child is a very silly and artificial distinction.

[@BedboundME]

Can’t deal with people who just want to believe something else

[@glentruim1]

If ever the U.K. needed an outstanding person to lead this is the person. A lady of outstanding gifts.

[@florencealvarez8182]

I watched 60 Minutes report on a female student in Harvard University who went through surgery to become a man. She was in the Varsity swim team and transitioned to the male division. The swim coach had an open door policy to anyone who wanted to talk about this but surprisingly, it was not an issue for the other swimmers. The only thing is being born a woman, he is not as strong as a man and his performance suffered. The US Supreme Court has overthrown Roe vs. Wade and they will be after artificail contraception, the LGBTQ community and inter-racial marraige though these will only be applied at the state level. We are hoping for a majority in the House of Representatives and the Congress to turn the tide in the next election.

[@lovesees4320]

What with the Democrats🙊🙈🙉 Since Clinton they have promised to secure this right for women & Every time they left it. So they can get you to vote again against the evil republicans Your being conned, over & over again Vote third party to apply pressure🙏

[@apebass2215]

Of course male swimmers aren't going to have an issue with competing against a woman. It's the female swimmers who have an issue competing against a man.

[@kevincoshner310]

Florence, the concern is NOT a woman becoming a man, then taking part in professional sports - it is man becoming a women and bringing testosterone advantage that makes it an unlevel playing field in sport.

[@apebass2215]

@@kevincoshner310 women can't become men, and men can't become women. If they could, there would be no advantage or disadvantage in either direction.

[@kevincoshner310]

@@apebass2215 Please explain then why some sports are reportedly not allowing trans people to take part in certain professional disciplines.

[@karl323]

This is not a minor side issue. For example, as far as I am aware, Norwegian Christina Ellingsen is facing 2 years in prison for simply stating men cannot be women.

[@kennethma861]

I would like to know how she would get a Vasectomy as a woman

[@apneiaproductions696]

She said MASTECTOMY

[@norgerepairs8687]

Self ID. really ????

[@jonsmith5058]

I don’t like this person mostly but she gave a pretty solid answer there. Even if I don’t fully agree with her she didnt deflect or hide and clarified her position after the caller misrepresented her. I’m surprised by that from a Tory.

[@jonsmith5058]

@Notquiteconvinced interesting. I don’t know her previous views on it and don’t get into the anti trans bs the right wing fuss over. But fair enough if you think she was sitting on the fence with the ‘issue’.

[@kevint1719]

People who've worked with her, including Suella Braverman and also civil servants, say she's the one misrepresenting herself though.

[@lovesees4320]

Jon, you are a terrible judge of character She's Lieing But hey, that's how they operate now Thanks to BoJo🤡🌎

[@jonsmith5058]

@@lovesees4320 I didnt say she wasnt lying though. I said she didnt avoid the question or the answer. Ask BoJo a question and he’ll make some posh noises and strain then say ‘we need to get on with our mandate and get on with the job of government, we’ve had the fastest vaccine rollout and got Brexit done and were the only country to help Ukraine and … errr’ then make more posh noises. This woman at least tried to answer the question. Do I think shes a scummy person and probably lying, absolutely, but I prefer her actually trying to answer the question. Stop projecting that I liked her or didnt think she was lying.

[@apneiaproductions696]

She's an excellent communicator, is all I can say. And she presents very well. Whether the UK needs another Tory PM is another matter... GE anyone?

[@mauromatos3124]

Who with any sense cares to waste limited time on this. Let people be what they want.

[@nooshoff]

So many other more important things to talk about.

[@lukemullan636]

trans rights are human rights. no debates, no ifs no buts.