TBC PRE-PATCH Talent builds! Pve and PvP! Warrior Edition! Still the kings of DPS?

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[@IamAliveTv]

Since people are asking...... Yes I know improved cleave and unbridled wrath are not great talents. But, if you already have a improved shout warrior in group, there aren't many impactful other options regardless. ALSO, this prepatch series is meant to be a fun series to theorycraft some cool builds at level 60 with prepatch talents. These specs are by no means 100% flawless, simmed, or anything of that nature.

[@sunderwire]

Yeah that’s true, not many options in those first few fury talent rows, I just enjoy having imp demo shout for all situations

[@Turbodog702]

33/28 has been a thing since OG TBC when at 70. It turns you into a support DPS with Blood Frenzy, boosted shouts, and Sweeping Strikes for quick AoE burst. This was outlined in some depth on the old Elitist Jerks forums. You won't top DPS (I was routinely about #7 on DPS), but Blood Frenzy damage buff is substantial.

[@ntrib]

One thing to consider is that with the pre-patch, it may also bring along the removal of Extra Weapon Skill on items and the change to Orc/Human racials. This means that the 3% hit you get from those talent points are simply making up for the 3% innate hit you are getting from having 305 Weapon Skill, it really won't change your itemization at all.

[@neverstoppulling5169]

The deep fury build looks like it will be fun to try in Naxx. Naxx with these new talents for everyone is gonna be insane lol

[@tomasnovellino5980]

I liked 👍 you came up with a new and different specc. Whether it is a meme or not, we'll have to see. But even if it is not top of the meters, it seems viable

[@fuzzelump3]

Hit rating is kindof null at this point. Itemization in nax has fury taking hit off and replacing it with crit. Also, 1 point in WW is sufficient and helps line up the CD better with BT. I feel like the crit damage from impale will outshine rampage at the moment. NAXX cleave is going to be insane with geared fury. Im sure someone will hone in the pre patch build once more time is spent in ptr and once pre patch starts.

[@cabercrombie13]

Not sure that all three points of +hit are necessary for the full mitigation prot build, assuming you already have 8/9 tier3. The set bonuses give +5 hit to all relevant abilities, and the gear itself I believe supplies +3 hit, so if you have no other gear that supplies +1 hit, then you'd need one point in that talent, not 3.

[@victorwinqvist4277]

Im currently playing 2h fury slam (have been for a year). And it is a good spec (im hord ofc so wf..). Superstrong on trashand not bad at all on singletarget. If u are in a non speedrunning guild, like me, then top 5 dps is not that hard. Fights like sapp is where u shine, long steady pace kind of fights. And being forced to work arouned the swingtimer makes it extreamly much more fun that dw fury (the monkeyspec). For prepatch ive already planned on trying the hybrid spec. But ill go foe both dw and ss. Even more dmg on cleave and "same"ish singletarget. I have mom so slam hit like a truck. Just a bit less than ms does. Since i have mom i will skip imp mace and go flurry instead. Not sure if i will max our flurry or 2h wep dmg yet tho. Flurry is probably weaker

[@johnaxa5050]

why not blood frenzy on the pvp build?It does not worth it at all?

[@MasterNinjaXz]

WHICH IS THE BEST FUCKING PVP SPEC NONODY IS DOING PVE IN PREPATCH

[@dozir7272]

Priest priest priest :)

[@pottansnest]

Is improved cleave not shit in tbc? Otherwise there should be 0 points into that.

[@IamAliveTv]

Well you would only need one warrior in the group to go improved shout

[@pottansnest]

@@IamAliveTv Max rank cleave does +50 dmg, so those 3 points in improved cleave gives you +110 dmg instead. Unless something changed with that talent in TBC I would never put any talent point into that.

[@IamAliveTv]

@@pottansnest I'm not saying the talent is good. It's just an option if you already have a battleshout warrior in your group while in naxx. Since the other options in that row of talents aren't that great of options regardless

[@dohnnyknudsen1464]

@@IamAliveTv its just that you put 3/3 in cleave instead of maxing flurry + improved WW, would make a bit more sense

[@BobbyChounramany]

no tactical mastery for pvp? are u mad

[@IamAliveTv]

Yes

[@johanlahti84]

unbridled wrath worth it?

[@nilocm6365]

booming voice so I have to press battle shout less

[@sebastianprien1867]

Good initiative to check out all classes for prepatch but sorry you have no clue what you are talking about the way you make these builds and the arguments for talent X vs talent Y. Lost a sub here. For example: - no one would ever pick a full 3/3 imp cleave vs loosing a point in flurry (its only basedmg increase on cleave) - 1rage every 3sec instead of 25% more Overpower crit as 2h dps where we get full ragebars from a critswing and at the same time we dont need 5/5 in unbridled wrath to get the full effect with slow 2h weps. Also same 2h build need tactical mastery becouse we can swap into battle stance and use OP then back between swings to not loose out on rage from that swing. Wanna put in a word about your view of Slam builds aswell, slam is NOT a replacement for MS/BT thats not how this 2h slam works. It resets your swingtimer so you only use slam above 45rage with BT on CD and swingtimer above 1,1. You also once again here missout on the overpower weaving with no imp OP or tactical mastery.

[@IamAliveTv]

As I stated in the video, I am not a warrior main and these builds are speculation. Just fun for me to theorycraft and point out interesting builds for prepatch. I am by no means saying these are 100% the best possible builds you can play without a shadow of a doubt, that they have loads of math and sims to support them, or anything along those lines. As for imp cleave, I know it's a crap talent. But you only need one warrior with imp battleshout and the other choices in that tier aren't fantastic for pve either way. Same for unbridled wrath

[@sebastianprien1867]

@@IamAliveTv One with 5/5 imp battle shout and AQ20 book per group in thoery but that dosent realy work out due to the short duration and the way its refreshed in actual raids. I think you should have talked abit with someone who know more about warrior and how they work and you would have some real quality content here going through all classes.