R vs Python

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Python and R are both common and powerful language for data science tasks. In this video Martin Keen, Master Inventor, provides an overview of R and Python and what questions you need to be asking before you choosing how to proceed on your next project.
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[@labtimeRP]

In my opinion, when we talk about Python as a competitor of R, we should refer to it as Python-Pandas. More credit should be given to Wes McKinney to the surge of Python for data science

[@ultrasoft5555]

Pandas is a disaster. I don't know how it could become an industry standard. Sadly it's very obvious the creators of the video have no direct experience with these tools. Not only missing numpy's name, but saying things like "Python supports csv and json while R support xls" or "Python is good for data wrangling thanks to pandas, while R is good in statistical analysis" -- these are simply not true, absolutely misleading.

[@josephmargaryan]

@@ultrasoft5555 so which one is best according to you? python or R

[@MKgobe]

​@@ultrasoft5555 this is definitely not misleading, Python can actually read json and csv files, web developer's usually use json files, even those using Django use json files. And the pandas library has functions that enable reading csv, I think it's called read_csv or something like that. And that guy literally explained what numpty is, that was intentional.

[@MrPrabhatRastogi]

@@MKgobe the idea that python “ONLY” supports those is the problem. Python can read any file format under the sun (specific packages for everything from xlsx to avro, parquet etc ) I am pretty sure python supports more formats simply because it is multi purpose. Also - in visualization, the guy has probably never seen libraries like plotly, seaborn etc. Hec, even a package that copies ggplot2 exists in python.

[@mpfmax0]

@@MrPrabhatRastogi I recently switched to python from R. I'm by no means an expert, but the fact that he said if you like cool visualizations go for R, made this whole video kind of sus for me, cuz I love visualization and plotly seems to work better in python and seaborn can look even better than ggplot2 imo. Even though coding ggplot2 is much easier than plotly or seaborn, you cannot beat how smooth and nice those libraries look.

[@friendlyoctopus9391]

from now on i'm importing numpy as numpty instead of np

[@JaimeVieira-nj6nq]

They were just trying

[@JaimeVieira-nj6nq]

I’m just Going by😮🙃 Oops sorry 2:18

[@exs0ldiercl0ud7777]

I have 10 years working with R and I have never ever had a problem I couldn't solve with it. From ML to basic data analysis and visualization ( I'm a soil scientist). I program in both but I really like R

[@elvinmustafov7313]

is 37 late to become programer want to learn R and python

[@FrozenFlames243]

@@elvinmustafov7313 nope, but you should consider getting good spine inusrance, 40 strugle is real, progamming languges are not flavors they are desing to solove certain issues and make money cough java-script, python is the most easy lanaguage, like you never down the path of programming go for python just to get taste of it, when it comes to data,ml,AI python is go to, but that does not mean R is usesless R is there to solve satiscal learning,visulaization and much more.

[@EDMisalive]

@@elvinmustafov7313 As he said R is easy to get into. Start with c it'll make easier and give a better understanding and will took few months or just go with R if you have lesser time

[@elvinmustafov7313]

@@EDMisalive tring to learn R and and Python this was advice and opinion of few programers that i know

[@guitarislife01]

THIS SHOULD BE THE STANDARD. Thank you for actually presenting your findings rather than give an "it depends" answer. Great video.

[@galatemalate1256]

In personal experience never used R for statistical analysis haha, only for data gathering and cleansing. I’ve been got data from SQL Server, Csv Files, Text Files, GitHub repo metadata, APIs and Point of Sales. For cleansing libraries such as dplyr, lubridate, anydate, stringr, etc, magrittr helps to keep data transformation really clear. Finally once the data is cleaned up and ready, land it to the warehouse. My personal opinion is that you can do the same ETL processes in R than in Python even with less code (if you know how to use R properly)

[@TMRick1]

This is a really underrated usage of R, especially when you have the DBI package able to work with the major open source implementations of SQL databases. I manage a server hosting a lot of Shiny apps that rely on SQLite databases to work properly and the update routine of ETL is done using R scripts running on a daily basis with cronjobs.

[@lazarbaruch]

For a long time, I haven't seen such an informative presentation. You just made an inventory without explaining how the specific language features make the difference.

[@marcello4258]

I totally agree on his take.. though python is not only OO but also functional

[@InssiAjaton]

Earlier this year, I searched for any language among the recent public favorites that would support reading fresh data from measuring instruments. I mean direct hardware port connectivity. Tough task! All of them seemed to be happy to just start manipulating already existing data, Excel and such. The third book I read about Python mentioned there is a library to provide port connectivity, but did not really elaborate. My old favorite, FORTH dropped out of competition when Windows started denying direct access to hardware. Quick Basic worked for a while longer. And after that, you needed drivers, possibly provided by the instrument supplier, if you were lucky. That is what Visual Basic depends on.

[@robertrichardson3888]

I use and teach both. In fact I am teaching one class in R right now and one class in Python. I've also helped establish professional organizations with data science frameworks. This video is actually very in line with what I think. I've had a hard time teaching Python to people who have only used Excel, R is easier. If I'm doing a complex analysis requiring advanced probability concepts, I work in R. But I see why professional companies have leaned more towards Python. Its infrastructure makes Python better for security, reproducibility, consistent AI for apps and machinery, working with streaming, graphical, or network data, and text mining.

[@jrltown]

My view is slightly different: R and more specify Tidyverse (packages / R dialect) is the clear leader in supporting fully reproducible workflows where the pipeline ends with reporting - reporting includes interactive web applications all the way down to static documents. The Python community has not been as strongly engaged in the reproducibility discussion outside of enterprise execution pipelines. They simply stop before reporting and that stopping point is premature. (Edit: typo misspelling corrected)

[@Kei3th1424]

Hi Robert. I one of the 'people who have only used excel'. Can you tell learning R is easier for people like me? (Fyi I'm learning phyton as my first language atm)

[@Mario-gq2xb]

@@Kei3th1424 why R is easier? One of my observations is that when in Excel, you're somewhat writing codes when you type out formulas that contain functions. The way u work with data in R is very similar in terms of the functional approach whereas if u go to python the syntax will be a bit more alien with heavier emphasis on object oriented designs and quite frankly a less intuitive way of working with data in pandas especially that makes it hard to learn for first time programmers.

[@hansisbrucker813]

What is your take on Julia vs R?

[@sinan_islam]

You will end up using both, because Machine Learning and Statistics cannot be split apart. Python for ML and R for stats.

[@acupoftea8635]

the most wise comment

[@patrickn4171]

I use python for stats all the time, works great. I used to use R but I'll probably never go back

[@ibragim_on]

I agree with you

[@jakubk.2367]

Now tell me what is machine learning all about...

[@AlanCringLtd]

I started this video being confused about which to learn and use. The rest of the video (until the end) left me still confused but with more information to justify my confusion. If I understood the very end correctly, I should learn and use both.

[@silerius4856]

I recently started learning R for a "Quantitative Business Analysis" course I'm taking for my MBA. Really wish I knew about R when I was studying chemistry for undergrad. Thanks for the video!

[@jaffarbh]

I use both in my workflow. Speed-wise, I think Python is about twice as fast for general purpose operations (like for loops), but in practice the performance depends largely on the packages used.

[@lawrencedoliveiro9104]

2:55 Jupyter notebooks can support a range of languages. It started as IPython, which was Python-centric. And while Python is still the foundation and implements the Notebook API, there is a range of kernels allowing you to run other languages in notebook cells.

[@stearin1978]

JuPyteR is Ju-lia Pyt-hon and R acronym but... The Jupyter system supports over 100 programming languages (called “kernels” in the Jupyter ecosystem) including Python, Java, R, Julia, Matlab, Octave, Scheme, Processing, Scala, and many more. Out of the box, Jupyter will only run the IPython kernel, but additional kernels may be installed. (c)

[@trycryptos1243]

@@stearin1978 thanks, informative.

[@juan.araujonog]

Also RStudio supports programming languages other than R

[@jamesjose7925]

Thank you for this very calm and useful presentation.

[@phantastik3389]

You can use both for big data applications. It's really base on preference

[@davemilnes1147]

May I just say your ability to mirror-write is breathtaking!

[@IBMTechnology]

I know, you would not believe how much practice it requires. [j/k] Search on "lightboard videos".

[@tatsuhitot]

Popular data visualisation libraries such as Seaborn, Matplotlib, Plotly and several other specialised ones are fantastic.

[@shimmeringreflection]

Wow, I could listen to your soothing voice all day 😊

[@nafishaider]

"You might be expecting a it-depends answer, but no, I'm going to tell you exactly which one to pick" - and then proceeds to give different scenarios for picking each one, in other words IT DEPENDS!

[@jrltown]

For data exploration in R, the {dplyr} and {tidyr} packages are excellent for sub-setting and wrangling. I think this approach is superior to pandas in python. In fact the grammar and semantic approach to data wrangling enabled by {dplyr} is a foundational reason to use R over python (i.e. pandas). These two libraries (dplyr, tidyr) along with {ggplot2} make up a core of the Tidyverse approach to using R. This approach is so well thought out that it often makes me chuckle when people suggest or argue that python is better. Clearly there are cases where python is better, just as there are cases where R is better. But when it comes to analytics and reproducibility I've not yet seen a dispostive argument in favor of python.

[@BingbongRecto]

Python is much better for readability. It's too easy to write opaque R code. Python also has features like dictionaries, comprehensions and lambda functions that make coding more pleasant. R also sucks with data outside of dataframes. Matrices are much harder to work with than numpy arrays.

[@cweymouth1]

Tidyverse is a collection of libraries. It isn't even right to compare Pandas to Tidyverse. In this respect, you'd be better off comparing Tidyverse to Anaconda. It's really just a weird claim when matplotlib, pandas, numpy, seaborn, scikit learn, pycaret, yellowbrick all have just have incredible documentation. Not to mention, the combination of "Read the Docs" and "Sphinx" make open source package documentation a breeze. Why? Because good programming requires good inline documentation. Both of these tools make it incredible easy to take your inline documentation and build/distribute it to the open source community. It's just weird to say python libraries don't have great documentation when its just wrong. A preference for functional programming through dplyr and tidyr is not enough to say "R is better for data analysis." In Pandas, there too is support for a more functional approach through the pipe method. Additionally, dplyr and tidyr combined do not have anywhere near the amount of methods available for data manipulating. On a more important note about Pandas pipe, it allows for user defined functions for applying transformations on dataframes or series. Why is this important? Because it provides better encapsulation, more options to the developer, and improved readability. To be clear, you cannot, out of the box combine dplyr's (or tidyr) select, mutate, groupby, ect with a custom function via the pipe operator. dplyr has a not so friendly work around for providing this functionality where the user needs to google search through and figure out that they need a parameter called ".data" which is something very specific to dplyr's implementation and not at all obvious. This is a huge limitation when it requires the developer to take their work to a production setting. Or, even more simply, share their work with others and debug their code themselves. Don't even get me started on the data-masking that the tidyverse paradigm has created in the R community. While it makes data operations more concise, it comes at the expense of polluting the name space of the environment making the developer blind to what variables have been created in global scope increasing the risk of collisions.

[@AWest-ns3dl]

Use the one you know. I don't find R much better for stats than scipy, or ggplot better than seaborn. But I do find python better for environment management, package development, and none data science projects like webscraping.

[@jrltown]

This is me, chuckling. I imagine I've seen a proportionally equal amount of opaque and unreadable python code as you may have seen opaque R code. I also imagine, and you might agree, that good coding is partially art and partially experience. So, if you have a language that is good for beginners, you're probably gonna see some bad code written in that language. no? Anyway, Yes, you can write anonymous functions in R -- totally can. Chucking again that the claims, without evidence, about python dictionaries , comprehensions, or matrices are supposed to be dispositive in favor of python. At best it comes down to use-cases. But really, OP's comment -- "choose the language of your community" -- is spot on. There seems to be no end of python-fan vituperative comments using straw-man criteria meant to express strengths when they actually express personal bias -- typically expressed alongside often outdated and just-plain-wrong claim about R. In any case, my comment was aimed at OPs comment about R's utility in data exploration. My position is that R (AND Tidyverse) is clearly better than OPs video suggests (somewhere in the middle-end of the video timeline). Beyond that, OPs recommendation to use R for beginners AND advanced is insightful to say the least. Clearly a strong and sound suggestion. Meanwhile, I can't stop chuckling at this response. I mean, just no. But, look, it's totally fine to have a preference. Not convincing, but if you're community digs Python, keep doing you.

@@BingbongRecto R's equivalent functions to Python's lambda functions are: apply, lapply, sapply, vapply, tapply. Followed by mcapply (multi core apply i.e. parallel processing).

[@MagnusAnand]

The good thing about Python is that I can create a model and also a backend service to serve it with one language.

[@borisn.1346]

it can be done in R too - what's your point?

[@vadergrd]

@@borisn.1346 but you wouldn t want that!

[@fortuneosho8137]

Why would would I run a backend application in R😂 when fastapi and django rocks

[@larryfishermanjr.8323]

Hahah (2:09) clearly the best speaker from IBM. Sympathetic man and instructive content, gladly more

[@kayakMike1000]

Python sure has OOP support, but doesn't force you to use them. It has some pretty good functional support also, but again, not forced to use them.

[@franciscoflamenco]

The thing about Python is that it completely half asses both the OOP and functional paradigms, meaning that while being multi-paradigm in theory, I think most Python programmers are better off sticking to good procedural code with common sense applications of other paradigms. Note that I'm not saying that's a bad thing. There's a reason Python is my go to language.

[@lysithea9293]

R also has OOP systems: S3, S4, S7, R6, etc. R6 is the equivalent to classes in Python.

[@syhusada1130]

Starting with R is better, but for a weird reason, that is: "more incentive to learn python and other things". I suspect, most who started with Python are less likely to learn R because they think Python can handle "everything".

[@GamingShiiep]

For me it's the opposite. I learned programming with R, and feel like Python is much less intuitive.

[@naybaz7777]

Started with Python for Data Analysis. Later tried R tidyverse. Oh dear, i hate python workflow now: pandas, numpy, seaborn - its all feels as an awful crutch

[@jrwkc]

I learned R because i loved their dataframe structure. Now with pandas, R can go pound sand.

[@nifftbatuff676]

Pandas is an awkward attempt to add dataframe objects in python that resemble the way R works.

[@yahampathmarambe8879]

this video making is awesome, and I use both as my teams requirements

[@IBMTechnology]

Thanks for your comment. We strive to make videos that mean something to our audience - and when we make mistakes we make light of those. #human

[@jeremycompton3010]

Brilliant, l loved the explanation. l believe l will be learning R. lm using this for my learning of Business Analysis and my data analysis study.

[@manhoosnick]

Haha, we hear so much about Python that goign towards R feels awkward. Great video :)

[@MrAehtsham]

Very nicely explained.

[@francisdelacruz6439]

Specialists usually go for R Economists, Biologists, Epidemiologists et al, those whose domain knowledge required statistics. In economics there is no question you go for R due to the packages for economics. If stat and associated data is a means to an end then it's R. If your a programmer who primarily collates and collects data with basic processing then likely it's Python.

[@MrMaxtng]

What a biased opinion. "Cool people use R. Python is for programmers who do basic shit" lmao

[@Brien831]

@@MrMaxtng No its true. Any job focusing heavily on data analysis will have you using R. Where I live any actuary has to know R…

[@victorst5997]

This is correct. We work with chemicals and design experiments all day long for optimization purposes. R has so much functionality and and what we chemists know as packages. The science behind our chemical technology is deeply rooted in research work based on Response Surface Methods and Mixture Designs. We're no programmers. We're scientists. And we analyze our data and design our experiments with R.

[@fij715]

@@MrMaxtng It is literally the case though.

[@fij715]

@@victorst5997 R is also used in Biology and medicine.

[@ngocbinhnguyen8073]

If you use R before Python, R is better. If you use python before R, Python is better. I love all, and use both in my works.

[@hugowesley4074]

I'm currently learning Python for automation stuff and want to know R only for data analysis. Is this the best approach in your opinion since you know both.

[@houseplant1016]

​@@hugowesley4074 If you learn python first

[@nilesoien7867]

R is under rated I think.

[@andreypetrov1327]

Python borrowed a lot from R

[@drivers99]

Rated R

[@kayakMike1000]

Python is a great glue language.

[@akbarkhan-nq3xl]

No it's not. It's just very specific.

[@cristiancardona2560]

Well...if you need to do statistical tests in Python, you'll be suffering.

[@vigneshsankar409]

Matplotlib and seaborne libraries can be used for data visualization in python. Heat maps, bar, gant chart

[@katrinabryce]

Plotly is another option.

[@bentrussellaz]

Thank you. loved the video.

[@olexiypukhov-datascience2046]

Not true. I do the entire end to end process using R. RSelenium for scraping information. Tidyverse for cleaning data and exploratory data analysis. Tidymodels for machine learning. Shiny for production and putting the analysis on the web for other people.

[@serhatakay8351]

I mainly use R for shallow models but as i need neural networks and beyond or other deep models, i switch to python

[@VKjkd]

Very good breakdown

[@igorbatista6902]

Great Video!

[@SwordFighterPKN]

I found R to be really difficult since it does not follow traditional programming logic, since it is very math based. Do enough years of C++, Perl, Python, C, Java etc... R just seems weird

[@fij715]

R uses actual logic.

[@aephidayatuloh]

R was created with the aim of making it easier for humans or data analysts to perform computations, not to make it easier for computers to do their job. So, the logic more closer to human. For example, index start from 1 like you start count from 1, right?

[@31807ccc]

I have used both R and Python professionally. Here’s my take. R is for SMEs (not programmers). Python is for programmers. That said, you can mostly use both for the same job. The difference between them only becomes significant at the edges.

[@FAAAx2]

The main difference is that Python is a general purpose language and R is a niche language. R was not created to be used for computer scientist, it was created to help other scientists do their computer stuff. On the other hand, Python is more focused on computer scientist but also in general public that maybe just want to do a simple script to automate boring stfu. It is difficult for a language to be better than other one, they normally just are designed for different purposes. In my case, as software engineer, I feel more confident with Python. But this is because I, normally, don't have to do specialized analysis about and specific field as economics, biology, etc. For this reason pandas, spark or others are enough for me an I am able to write other utilities (such as parsers, command line interpreters, etc.) that I need in my application (that is a software used by someone else, not a paper or an analysis).

[@fij715]

R is used on the financial sector and auditing. With R you can make complex statistical analysis.

[@gabrieldacruz9796]

I'm learning it by myself and I feeling certain difficult to handle this larger range of applications. Do you've knowledges about other data tools?

[@alexandrodisla6285]

R has no competition towards academics research and statistics. The statmodels framework is not mature enough. Visualization, GGPLOT2 (R) is more interesting. After that, R and Python are mostly even. With QUARTO CLI and reticulate, you can work with both.

[@user-lx7jn9gy6q]

I mean except for the fact that Python can be used to build massive code bases and complicated infrastructure easily, then sure, they are even... Ever wonder why a lot of companies use Python for their code base and nobody uses R?

[@djangoworldwide7925]

I have to point out that when you talk about data exploration and don't mention the tidyverse for R it feels a bit lacking... As an R user, I must say that starting with Python is probably better since it's more broadly used and integrates better with other languages, as well as software developers that are using different methods, while R needs to be recompiled in order to work within the organisation

[@kristopherwilson506]

Was looking for this comment about tidyverse. As a statistician, I first learned python because of its general use and overall simplicity. Both are good for beginners either way. Then moved to R for more advanced work. And the more general and computer science-y I go, the more python I use

[@icstatonato]

I can't understand why nobody talks in theese debates that R's data.table syntax is basically the same as python's pandas, with the gigantic upside of requiring half the amount of code to perform the same task. While I get that R is a specific language, while python is general porpouse (and thus have a much bigger community), people always make the completly subjective point that "python is easier to learn, much easier syntax". I can only imagine that this kind of mindset comes from people that believe that R has no options besides its base implementation (while simultaneously assuming that numpy and pandas comes as default). Tidyverse R is basically as clear and friendly as SQL ("select", "group by"...). There is no way that pandas is more newbie friendly than this for python to be the "go to language from data exploration" and, even if thats the case, once again, R data.table is very similar and requires much less input. With all that being said... I use both languages, and although my preference is clear, there are some situations where one is better suited than the other. I think they should be treated more as complementary than rival tools.

[@network_noob]

Thanks!

[@shashank.c]

He can write mirrored letters so freaking fast! 🤯

[@Alexander91]

Maybe the video was flipped

[@thezachdrake]

It's long time we add Julia to these conversations. The "Ju" in "Julyter Notebook" literally stands for Julia.

[@rustedrootbeer]

Pure shock that the guy behind my favorite homebrewing channel works for IBM!

[@JMann-pd2vg]

R is the best programming language as far as data related work is concerned. I have worked with both, python and R and have R to be better for Data related tasks, may it be machine learning, data science, data analysis or visualizations.

[@MySmith1234]

I use R everyday as a data scientist at my current job for a year now! In my precious job, we used python!

[@fij715]

And which do you prefer?

[@squabble3332]

please take a word about R , now im try to start with it, and have a bit doubt of my choice

[@catdandel]

Having 40 years of programming experience and having had learned R before Python, I beg to differ (somewhat). Yes, tidyverse is superior to Pandas, but only as long as you hard-code your variables. Yes, there are more statistical functions for R than for Python, but Python is catching up fast. I use statsmodels and, at least in my work, it can do anything an R library could. R is easier to use for elementary tasks, like performing a t-test (it's a one-liner in R), but as soon as you do something more complex, it is easy to get lost in R. Similar for graphics: Basic plotting is easier in R, but, to get the plot look as _you_ want it (as opposed to 'as the computer wants it'), Matplotlib and Seaborn beat ggplot any day. Python is easy, logical, systematic, orthogonal, elegant... In R, there are several libraries for computing the ROC curve and none is really satisfactory, In Python, you use sklearn and it works like charm. I could go on like this forever...

[@aephidayatuloh]

"In R, there are several libraries for computing the ROC curve and none is really satisfactory, ...", you want to try tidymodels?

[@slytilex]

just use both people. No need for competition, these are 2 very useful tools

[@mamscasunbuds2866]

Spectacular

[@eeprom34]

Thankyou

[@chriskarnes3410]

It's just as easy to work with API calls and JSON in R. I don't have to worry about switching condas in python environments because subversions of packages work for one application and not another. When actually developing code against data it's hard to beat the RStudio IDE.

[@jonminton3574]

I guess the question of which is older depends on whether you consider S to be ‘proto-R’ or something else entirely

[@aalb1970]

Python is easier to pick up for a complete beginner IMO. I would definitely pick Python first and then learn R later if needed for more complex statistical analysis.

[@dominiquecoladon8343]

Great video

[@TheSense13]

How is he writing backwards so good?

[@ferretgodowndahole3602]

Came here to say this, that this video is obviously just an excuse to show off his backward writing.

[@Yamoukawchowa]

The video is probably mirrored. I assume he is right-handed.

[@ecubere]

It's a mirrored image

[@CesarRodriguez-ws8hg]

I used to hate R, but I started having fun with it when I used it for my thesis

[@rafaelfelipenovi6308]

I use both :)

[@pallabikar672]

You are my savior

[@andreinita1367]

I think Python is a better way to start as a beginner than R. Plus, is easier implemented in tools like Spark and web-development.

[@dixztube]

Flammable maths vibes

[@stilltoomanyhats]

What's the pirate's favourite programming language? You think it would be R, but their true love be the C.

[@HoraceMash]

Nice vid. Thanks. Beware pandas’ current treatment of missing data though, where the sum of NaNs becomes 0.

[@VLADrusLV55]

I wouldn't forget about MatLab. I often see how some researchers use it in ML, DS and ANN.

[@monkeyofwar6818]

But that's a lot of money. Mastering a language only to lose it because no one is paying for the license is a bummer.

[@matej6418]

Hahahahaha no one heard of Matlab for 15 years at least. Approx 5 scientists use it all together.

[@apotterlockian]

scilab is a good open source alternative

[@nifftbatuff676]

R and Matlab are both natively vectorial languages. And this is a huge bonus. Python is scalar.

[@alexfaith5562]

Awesome!

[@Leo-hi8bu]

These are very abstract generalisations. I do data analysis in genomics. I that area I have to use both R and Python. One is not enough

[@inomo]

What about Julia?

[@satenderkumar9516]

how many months expert in these both language?

[@tingshengquan604]

I think as long as you are not going to the machine learning page, definitely use R as a data scientist, for now.

[@aephidayatuloh]

Why? You can also do machine learning in R (i.e tidymodels package). For deep learning Python is better with tensorflow and keras.

[@heinsaar]

1:18 see what he did there?

[@Jamie-il1qu]

Nice presentation, from the homebrew channel guy?

[@antoniocastan9229]

I think it just depends on the the problem you want to solve. I personally like R for statistics

[@vitriowibisono2875]

I will go definitely for JULIA

[@DaveParr]

Fine up to 5:40, then you lost me. The base R language reads CSV and JSON natively. Rs equivalent to pandas is tidyverse, except the R base language supports data frame natively. Also data.table and pandas have almost equivalent syntax. NumPY is not in the native python language, you Numpty. It's installed as a module. No mention of Rmarkdown, Rnotebooks or quarto. It's like jupyter except without the bonkers decision to use JSON as the raw file format. No one prototypes in one language and productionises in the other. There's no more certain way to double your time to delivery and halve your code quality.

[@barodrinksbeer7484]

This is how I feel whenever this debate comes up, a lot of people think R just does 1 or 2 things really well. But, the reality is packages like Shiny, Rmarkdown, and some ML libraries are misunderstood or just ignored for how good they are (community and documentation). Also, I have rarely had problems with learning a new R package that works in the base R code format, because everyone uses a similar coding format. Whereas Python packages are harder to pick apart, because people base their coding formats on different formats.

[@TMRick1]

@BaroDrinksBeer Shiny is a criminally underrated part of R, along with Plumber APIs. I managed to create a significant saving for a company by making them cut an expensive PowerBI license and substitute all the dashboards for Shiny on a cloud server. Worked like a charm. Reactive modules with pre trained ML models in .rds files, with a daily retraining routine for the new data using cronjobs.

[@brentallen5378]

This is not biased for R at all. Man, how more obvious can you get?

[@auzaluis]

Ok. I'm an R user and when he was explaining Python's pros I was thinking R can do the same. It's unfair mentioning Pandas without mentioning Tidyverse

[@Alexander91]

I expected a "well it depends kind of answer", and I got a "well it depends (on the following questions) kind of answer".

[@therendra]

do R support big data ?

[@sB3rg]

I prefer my data all gRain over Py-Malt extract.

[@emerald3324]

TLDR: Novice - R, Intermediate - Python, Advanced - R NTL(did read): ehhh, use both

[@prabpharm07]

Dont agree that R is more suited to process Excel files. 70% of the times I import CSV. Its designed to process, Excel, CSV, txt, JSON, and many more formats.

[@eristonmansambu8225]

"There is a healthy debate raging over the best language for learning data science. Many people believe it’s the statistical programming language R. (We call those people wrong.)", said Joel Grus in his book "Data Science from Scratch: First Principles with Python". - I am currently reading the book and when I arrived at the quote, I coulnd't stop laughing on my own. That being said, I'd still choose Python, though💁‍♂

[@Kersich86]

from scratch... starts every script with import numpy as np 🤣

[@JonGretarB]

Have to use both. When it comes to graphing R is by far the winner. When it comes to statistical work it becomes very obvious that R was designed to do this. While Python has the problem of dataframes not being a first class datatype which gives you messy and ugly code when you need to make scikit-learn talk to numpy to do just a simple regression. Python wins in the bigger stuff. Large, and complicated machine learning stuff. However with the new Nx, and related, libraries in Elixir we might have a contender that might blow Python out of the water soon.

[@matej6418]

Bahahahahahaha. Aaahahahahahahagabaha Can't stop laughing lol. Serious ml frameworks/ optimization tools: Torch, Jax, pyro all in python and more every day. Hardly anything in R. Mlops tools: mlflow, airflow, spark all python native. Some small section of support for R sometimes lol. And dont let me start with IDEs. rStudio feels like a tool from 1999. Chatgpt, good got support. Nothing there. rStudio is a joke, worst IDE I have ever seen. R is inconsistent with "quirks" a.k.a. shitty design no wonder CoPilot and ChatGPT have trouble understanding it.

[@fidelemmanuel5989]

R can import JSON files

[@blitzcrank7554]

Wait, python can also be used for data viz , seaborn , matplotlib and etc to name a few.

[@JonGretarB]

Yeah. But that is true for every programming language. I use both but R is just WAY stronger in this area.

[@jamespeterson7979]

It's difficult to google for 'R' readings 😉

[@jagadeeshkumar7724]

Indirectly they are saying they are in need of someone who knowd 'R'

[@IsxaaqAcademy]

If u watch IBM explanations, u don't need another oner one I have to go back to my Google data analyst course

[@sisokelsconsult9861]

R is overloaded with repetitive and rather redundant tools or processes for doing the same thing.

[@exosfear512]

I'm more impressed that he can write backwards on glass

[@vferraz88]

he actually cant. Its a mirror trick.

[@mhxprs]

I like you use your left hand writing backward on a glass

[@IBMTechnology]

See ibm.biz/write-backwards

[@wpouser]

Despite the video been excellent, I still can't draw a line in the organization separating what should be in R and what should be in Python.

[@radimkozl3270]

So it is not possible to use R for a production application as microservices, python is better, and next solution it will be go-lang.

[@AngelRodriguez-qg5zq]

[@makankananian3838]

This man knows nothing about Python, I assume. Visualisation is so hard and complicated in R. We are talking about Python 3.11 these days. It is a master piece that can do anything in datascience. You can do nlp using nltk, linear algebra using numpy, any kinds of data manipulation or .csv .txt data reading or writing using pandas, visualisation using matplotlib or seaborn, anything can be done using python and maybe you cannot believe it but the result is even much better

[@maddisonmad2710]

You should use Julia

[@glaucomvp]

never ever heard about R language and then the guy explains it was lauched in 1992!