The Most Expensive 64GB RAM Upgrade! Bonus: M3 RAM Upgrade is possible ?? - 4K

[@dosdude1]

The thing here is, even if you were able to successfully install new RAM chips onto the Apple Silicon SOCs, I’m pretty sure the RAM config (similar to SPD data on x86) is actually a fused value in the SOC and cannot be changed... Therefore completely preventing the upgrade in that regard. Also, the other issue here is the chips themselves are a completely custom Apple design, and cannot be sourced anywhere.

[@mytester6208]

they possibly can be sourced from donor board... problem is still apple's clever design to make it impossible or not feasibly/worth the upgrade due to the risks associated with either laser etching off or cncing the chips! both still very risksy and also labor and chip prices added will make this only a hobby or bragging rights project rather than a customer work i think.

[@matthewrobinson150]

hey bro :) there is no resistors or anything to upgrade it. say you where to cnc off the ram clean , then take a 16 gig . 2x8 add all the power delivery to it and pit new ram, still won't work??

[@pwrgood_ekb]

@@mytester6208 we have tried replacing/upgrading m1 ram ics but dosdude1 is right. spd/ram config seem to be production fused and cannot be changed. in other words -- you can replace faulty ram ics with working identical ones from donor, but you can't replace them with higher capacity ics.

[@MisakaMikotoDesu]

This has been done by others and it turns out that Mac firmware is specifically designed to reject added RAM. If you add RAM to an iPhone though? Works perfectly fine. Apple are just being dicks.

[@carstencroessmann]

One day believe me one day it's possible for sure. It only takes time to many genius out there working against this giant sucker called apple and the genius will find a way for sure. Never give up hope. Greetings from Germany

[@Neo_AIO]

18:30 the glue used on the ram ic's is the same as the glue used for the die bonding, 450c/500c won't be enough to soften it , it would be safer to use a cnc with a verry fine tip to gring off the ic's

[@punisher15101993]

Yea, one service in Poland has already successfully done this. The problem is that you can't buy RAM chips for M1-M3 on the market (pretty standard RAMs but with custom BGA mounts). The only way is to scrap RAM from other Macs, destroying the whole processor and motherboard.

[@Neo_AIO]

@@punisher15101993 not like it will be any complicated with all the iclouded boards being scrapped

[@wenjie3710]

Again, iBoff never fail to impress! I've learnt so much information in this video than an hours lecture sitting in my IT Class.

[@iBoffRCC]

Thanks for watching! ;)

[@enricofischer1330]

​@@iBoffRCC try grinding down the m3 RAM and cool the bord in a freezer

[@enricofischer1330]

Also soldering should be done with a small needle.

[@TauGaSih_IDN]

Orang indo? Or Malay ​@@iBoffRCC

[@iBoffRCC]

@@TauGaSih_IDN we are Malaysian

[@lemagreengreen]

That packaging for the two IC's is wild! that was direct from Micron packaging, that AVNet company must have a contract with them to be able to do this and Micron actually honored an order for 2 single IC's...!? and given they probably usually send these out by the tens of thousands at a time their only packaging option was a whole tray lol! Crazy they were able to deliver that to you, I guess an order is an order.

[@raven4k998]

and what did they prove simple that even though the m3 can handle 64 gigs of ram apple it to cheap to simply innovate by making 64 gbs standard on all macs

[@fujinshu]

@@raven4k998It’s not even standard on most PCs.

[@ProMoe_]

Amazing as always.. maybe theoretically a better way to upgrade the RAM on M1 is by removing the M1 SoC off the board to the side and then do the RAM upgrade?

[@fridaycaliforniaa236]

I bet Crapple has already locked the thing with a serial number recognition or something in the same range... 🙄

[@bobweiram6321]

I thought the memory was directly on the wafer, but it's on separate chips. Apple chose to limit its upgradability. So even the high-end Apple Silicon MacPro's RAM can't be upgraded.

[@ibrahimMorteza]

its more like HBM on amd gpu

[@rasz]

@@ibrahimMorteza no, this is standard POP package on package like $30 raspberrypis. HMB has 10x the ball density. Apple totally did it to control second hand upgrades market.

[@bobweiram6321]

@@rasz I am the biggest Apple fanboy, but this combined with soldered SSD is a bit rapacious and abusive. Considering the ever increasing memory footprint of OS updates and the limited lifespan of the NAND storage, they've designed their machines to fail. This is one of the many reasons why the 2013-2015 models are a better value. They're slower, but not significantly slower for most tasks.

[@mytester6208]

@@bobweiram6321 they have been going this path since acquiring the custom chip company and arm licenses. it was inevitable to control their profit margins by going custom. also hackintosh community was a big threat so they did what they (one of the greediest and most control freak company) do best! make custom chips, make it in a way so impossible/feasible to repair upgrade or replicate! with m chips, they did all three! never been a fan of them from the getgo, not sure why people still surrender to their will and support their business and business model!

[@alexatkin]

@@bobweiram6321 When you're running RAM at stupidly fast speeds then its not just being done to prevent upgrades, its because the trace length needs to be stupidly short and low resistance, which is just not possible with socketed RAM. You just have to look at the PC market and DDR5 to see how hard it is to crank up the RAM speed with socketed RAM. I'm not convinced the soldered SSD was necessary though, that was just plain profiteering IMO. The sheer fact they didn't include expansion in the Mac Mini when it has ample space for a 2.5" SSD, never mind an M.2.

[@D.u.d.e.r]

Wow, u guys r doing really cool mods, kudos and both thumbs up for that!👍👍Looking forward for some awesome mods in the future.

[@Ruhgtfo]

They called it Innovation, Soc on hardware.

[@TatsuZZmage]

Call it what it really is E-Waste.

[@johndarrylocido5278]

@@TatsuZZmageto be fair macbook 2017 version is easily sold here in Philippines

[@danielpeti3885]

I'm clueless about diy stuff but I enjoyed watching this. thank you

[@CheckTime]

Этот канал дарит надежду, что нет ничего невозможного.

[@bbadrulhanif]

This video is informational and useful. Keep up the great work!

[@drushed7387]

few days ago i was thinking that fused ram just looks like regular chips and should be upgradable, thanks for clearing my doubt, nice video

[@talos86]

That tray is the standard size for the SMT machines tray unit. Anything differs from that size we have to choose: reconfig the SMT machine and the placing program to accept that tray or transfer the ICs and BGAs to a standard size tray. The manufacturers are sending a full tray even for a single IC or BGA, because they dont know how you want to install it on the board.

[@fsresearch]

baru aku tau malaysia pun ada channel repair mcm ni. kipidap bro.

[@mirulaan123]

Itu la tuuu, baru nak comment benda yang sama, semua explanation clear tuu, keep it up broo iBoff

[@ArifKamaruzaman]

kannnn. mantap channel ni. bole subscribe.

[@iBoffRCC]

terima kasih banyak tuan support kami🙏

[@fmlmobilelegend9723]

Bagus bro welcome to Malaysia 🇲🇾

[@Kane2009]

Wow that is extremely complicated, nice work guys

[@itsallaboutlee]

I think I have a solution for the M1 ram. You can use 2 ways to prevent delamination. 1. Use two layers of dense cotton cloth and add some water on top of it with syringe. It will hold the temperature on 100-105C. 2. Use a heat absorbing gel for a welding. It will absorb a majority of a heat from the parts you don’t want to heat. I’m not sure it will work but there are two things we use when we weld in a very tiny spaces with a lot of harmful parts like plastic covers and wires. Love 🙌🏻 P.S. with the gel wires don’t heat even using oxy mop gas welding. Try! 🙌🏻🫡

[@user-mw4jb7yl3l]

io the m1 ic has an IHS on top, if you're afraid of burning it while heating up the ram next to it, put a heatpipe or a heatsink on top of the IHS

[@LecomteRepairServices]

I also tried, for the sake of science to remove the RAM of an M1. I gave up after scraping the glue: given the amount of heat needed just for that, I knew it wouldn't be possible to remove the RAM. I believe a safe way would be to drill out the RAM with a CNC machine (not that expensive). It's the same idea as that laser you showed.

[@ictrepairs6963]

When such kind of glue is used to hold in place something that need to reach at least 300°C during the reflow process, is normal that should't come off at 500°C. As allready stated, the only way is cnc, not even laser would be an option because of the delamination problem of the pcb.

[@rnegoro1]

BASICALLY - SUPER TOUGH to upgrade the rams of m1,m2 and m3.

[@mechamicro]

Agree. Without specialized equipment to remove the chip without delamination, it is impossible to upgrade.

[@mytester6208]

@@mechamicro thats the purpose of this design, dont think it is an afterthought or by chance! they make it near impossible or feasible to repair-upgrade-replicate... 1 ring to rule them all. now tying all of them together under a common db of components and seal it, so only apple approved replacement parts can be done, it s full circle of control of entire money!

[@fdgdfgdfgdfg3811]

@@mechamicro actually you remove it by cnc it off ,you destroy the ram chip though

[@orange11squares]

just never buy that crap, always buy laptops with SO-dimms.

[@Pro720HyperMaster720]

@@orange11squaresor LPCAMM2

[@CiprianHanu]

I am impressed, congratulations on all you do!

[@JassenPeriña]

20:29 there’s another way to remove that RAMCHIP by using grinding pen or grinding machine, i saw a lot of tech guy use the same way, like removing nand chip from iphone15, iphone lcd ic etc.

[@pavel4892]

I love your Videos! We all need more of this stuff! Greetings from germany ❤

[@amolloh]

You could simply use a heat resistant sheet to shied the other oarts and only heat RAM.

[@stubbornexplorer]

17:25 Apple's planned obsolescence✌

[@MrPnew1]

Thanks for another great video iBoff Mat, always leading edge techniques from you.

[@Georgy_47]

Nice videos and great explanation I feel like a student again love the work you do putting smiles on laptop owners faces back again 🎉

[@VladislavBaglai]

I think another way to remove RAM ICs on M series is to grind it down, like display IC on iPhones.

[@by.othman]

well done, keep up the good work... proud of you guys

[@tukangcodetv3110]

What the tools used by mac technician to replace the M series memory? maybe that the answer for us to know how to replace memory safely.

[@Walter_]

They most likely replace entire motherboards

[@tuanbe]

10,000km in a antistatic ESD bag just to unbox on the carpet.

[@DS-pk4eh]

You saw that too? I was like "Dude, that carpet is like static bomb!"

[@serppros.der.l.4726]

Amazing job and video! Greetings from Honduras

[@CruiseTom-rz8qu]

You're a highly under rated channel.

[@fsamobby]

1st You have to heat up the whole motherboard on a heat table for a ~100°, second, you don't have to use hot air gun but IR station instead and vary temperature

[@noodlecat_]

Potential project , M2 Upgrade on this 2019 16in MacBook Pro ? That would be rad as heck

[@kyoko703]

DAMN!!! That is crazy!!! Yall earned yourselves a sub!!!

[@DiyintheGhetto]

I order 10 microprocessors and it came in the same size tray like yours. It is really funny to see others that got the same big tray as me.

[@eangrace9497]

Mantap lah 🫡 subscribed sebab hebat, dapat byk knowledge dari channel ni.

[@blade-vk]

laughing in Framework notebook or any other crappy laptop... iBoff, great video and skills! keep it up

[@systemBuilder]

Kudos to your outfit the QC department seems to really nail all your repairs 100%. Congrats!

[@anik2645]

Please make me clear, 15:16 on the video you are going to open the led, this time "IC label" and after tested everything at 16:49 when you are going to close and back to the back side the "IC label" is different. Why its looking like this??

[@iBoffRCC]

@@anik2645 at 16.49 its a different macbook with ram issue. It failed memtest, so we fixed that customer problem by replacing to 32gb not 64gb

[@anik2645]

@@iBoffRCC Ah got it>>! Thank you .

[@aimanthesasuke]

terkejut aku tetibe cakap melayu. Mantap lah boss. Keep up the good job.

[@iBoffRCC]

time kasih boss sudi menonton 😬

[@yl95]

20:49 That’s the laser machine at the end: NEW TBK Laser Machine 20W for iPhone X XS MAX 8 8 Plus back cover

[@baghdadiabdellatif1581]

You did not mention the price of the 14 chips and you did not mention where you ordered the remaining 14.

[@DS-pk4eh]

21: 00 Would be possible to isolate the area around ram ICs, so no heat is getting to them? Like using some kind of mask, maybe carbon made. It needs to be resistant to high temp but also be good enough thermal isolator.

[@SaschaRobitzki]

Interesting. Thanks for posting.

[@fabriglas]

I was impressed! I subbed!

[@rapsod1911]

How about IR heating instead of hot air for that memory on M1? It is more concentrated. Or to grind it with diamond burr?

[@stefanbehrendsen330]

holy cow i've only seen that kind of delamination in a chromebook logicboard that was exposed to some kind of solvent. Did apple do this on purpose?

[@lenguyenphi]

but in the beginning you only have 2 ICs , then suddently you have some dozens of it.

[@baghdadiabdellatif1581]

Yes. No one noticed but us. He didn't mention the price of the chip or where he ordered the remaining 14 from.

[@ingusmant]

Why not shield the rest of the m3 board during heating?

[@nguyenminh7780]

maybe you can try again but this time, cover the M1 wafer with kapton heat resistant tape and since apple uses Lead free solder, its removal temperature is much higher so you should increase heat gun temperature

[@JonVB-t8l]

Your mistake was not just looking in the wrong place. There are 4GB options in error correcting memory. The odd number of chips can be discounted, they use an extra chip for parity calculations.

[@TheSpotify95]

Seems like you can't upgrade the RAM on Macbooks/Macs with M-series CPUs even if you have the correct microsoldering tools required for standard BGA reflowing and replacement of chips.

[@autotunekilledthevideostar639]

You can get Workstation 64gb ram sticks but I like your videos very interesting about ssd usage. I have just restored a dead 2019 16 inch i9 macbook pro. What a lovely machine it is.

[@cec2521]

Use grinding machine logic board to remove ram on m1 m2 bord en solder back with low solder new ram memory for success. 👍🏻

[@Pro720HyperMaster720]

Almost, if you also need to change the ram setting in hardware instead of a resistor as the memory controller is now part of the SoC may very well be the case that the RAM setting is fused inside of the SoC die making the change impossible and therefore impeding any RAM upgrade. Anyways if I were them I’d try what you say just to confirm is or not is possible

[@Arhentir]

Woah, your QC process is better than Asus, KEKW

[@asl5]

Part nk byr tu aku tgk alamat malaysia. Rupanya org malaysia. Powerrrr laa

[@labeatjasiqi6649]

There are cnc machines that removes cpu from iphone, so if you make it to remove till the solder balls then clean the glue and solder balls by yourself. Then find the new ram ic and solder them with 150c or 138c. Could work

[@fdgdfgdfgdfg3811]

150c could, but 138 is risky because ram get hot and the solder will loose its strength and the solder ball could bridge with other balls .even 150c is bad if the ram gets alot hotter

[@labeatjasiqi6649]

@@fdgdfgdfgdfg3811 if they are soldered in the cpu, it wont go over 100c. But yeah you can solder with 183 the reball the whole chip. And solder them together on the motherboard.

[@dostalker2006]

or you can just grind off those 2 chips carefully with dremel or laser and then with no problems instal new chips rolled on lead solder

[@KTBLGaming]

would it be esier to just upgrade the whole SOC with the ram installed ?

[@uiopuiop3472]

Would 128GB be possible for ThinkPad P51? Its using Intel i7-7820hq and has 4 sockets with 16 GB sticks inside.

[@JohnBernas-ll2si]

Why not desolder the m1 silicone completely before attempting to remove the RAM?

[@fdgdfgdfgdfg3811]

no, but he can cnc the ram chip off

[@radornkeldam]

So... how do they assemble that in the first place? if not with hot air, because it clearly delaminates the board before it melts the solder, then what do they use?

[@ArjunOp69]

just grind older ram on m1 m2 series ram . no need to heat and its safe also

[@techmarcofcl]

Can i have you QC inspection format? This video is real helpful🎉

[@finngamer3836]

Are you guys also doing ssd Upgrades ?

[@JinSu-hf9im]

you had to saw off the old chips and solder new high-capacity chips with lead solder!

[@christianflores3437]

He didn't saw cut anything

[@ArifKamaruzaman]

mantappppp. kt dengkil je eh, dekat je ni

[@iBoffRCC]

terima kasih tuan support kami🙏, ya kita di southville city berdekatan bangi

[@AlexxxV18]

в конце видео - если отпаять все площадку с процессором а потом уже оперативку отдельно

[@cameramaker]

Congrats for the 64GB! On the M series - would it be possible to swap the whole multi-die CPU package, or is it locked to other parts of the system?

[@ChikiiGame-nt5et]

I have hd cinema DVI display 23 inches monitor old from Apple the issue after two minutes from using the pc the screen stop between 2 to 3 second and that stay continues and there's a voice when that happens as you plugged in or out the USB port in pc and there's no problems in pin of DVI and I checked the pc with TV works perfect, just to know the pc dell 7010 and I connect the monitor with zotac graphic card and it was very smoothly but I faced that problem and try many things but still the same, so I hope you can solve it and help me to get the solution, by the way i appreciate what you do extremely jobs really wonderful because you fight the money brain as a human still not a money slave 💪thanks and Allah bless you 🌼

[@mohdanissahari742]

Mantap bro terinspirasi saya nak upgrade RAM MacMini saya..haha.. 😁

[@marekhrusovsky1491]

Thanks. Insightfull

[@kinggamer_15]

Hello! Is it possible to upgrade to 32 gigs of RAM on my M2 MacBook Air? and also the storage capacity.

[@pabala8946]

Hello iBoff! Quick question about the 2017 A1534 12inch Macbooks. Is there any difference between the motherboards of the 16gb models and the 8gb models? I tried to find any information about any possible chance of a ram upgrade for this model and I can't find any. Not even the schematics show a possible 16gb resistor configuration, but then how do they have 16gb model? Me and I believe many others would love to know if this upgrade is possible. With love from a wannabe teenage repairman :))

[@212004gacl]

Hi, I am using Macbook Air 2019 come with core i5 intel, 8GB Ram and 128GB storage. A light user myself, mainly on MS Office, internet and research only. No gaming. if I upgrade the ram to 16 or even 32GB, will it run faster, especially launching the apps like MS Word and PowerPoint? If yes I can engage your service. So far I dont need to bigger storage because my MBA 2019 is not the main driver for productivity. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks

[@Pro720HyperMaster720]

Most probably won’t make it faster for you, it would only do so if you run out of RAM. Imagine the RAM as a desk where you put the things you’re going to use/using, if the desk is small or you have too many things they won’t fit on the table and you’d need to get up and move things in and out of your storage, slowing your work down. The computer does the same, if you overflow the RAM (instead of crashing like in the old days before this was implemented) the MacBook will use your SSD storage as RAM, but it is much, much slower than the RAM itself, hampering greatly performance. But seeing how you use your MacBook seems unlikely, unless you open too many tabs in the browser, just that can gobble a massive chunk of the available RAM, you can use the System monitor or however was called or any other tool to check your RAM use and you’d know, if it starts swapping (that’s how it’s called when you use the storage as RAM) you may also see spikes in use of the storage/SSD

[@mordechai8008]

Why? Why Mac not built with soDIMM ??

[@leeyuee9827]

Abang orang Malaysia kah? Feel\ proud of you!

[@lachlanlau]

if only those RAM chips were cheaper.. at least they're not like the SSD with special firmware!

[@benNdaKen]

The SSD doesnt have Special Firmware. the Management Chip for the SSD chips is inside the M SoCs. Apple Basically cut out the SSD Controller Chip u usaly find on NVMe SSDs and directly integrated them into the SoC. so they need to be aranged in specific way so they match the Controller.

[@lachlanlau]

@@benNdaKen What about the video about SSD's from IBoff? He mentions that the SSD has special code which needs to be present to work. Also there are 2 versions of the T2, one of which only supports upto 512GB if memory serves.

[@vadimmartynyuk]

Unfortunately none of those Ram chips are as fast as Apple ones

[@hotnikq]

delamination = water inside the board = let 72 hours on 60 degres celsius to dry

[@christianflores3437]

What part r u talking about

[@user-ie2py8zx7v]

Can the Intel MacBook upgrade the VRAM ?

[@himmuappi]

is it possible to upgrade to M2 Air?

[@TUDIU]

I want to upgrade my macbook pro early 2015 model from 8GB ram to 32gb RAM. Can it be done and how much?

[@jozkopozel1499]

Hey really good video there! I was just wondering if you could upgrade the cpu, ram and storage on Macbook 13 inch 2017 2 thunderbolt port to something more powerfull without lossing Egpu compability on bootcamp

[@Phil-D83]

Apple would likely try to look it down if this became popular

[@komi_maru]

How about installing heatsink to the wafer/SoC die while focusing the heat to the RAM chips for the M series SoC's instead? Will that work?

[@vandoserpa5371]

What software are you using to write on that PDF document?

[@Stoney-Lawson]

How much does something like this cost?

[@nonametutorial]

Will this method work on other devices for example I have a dell latitude 2590 tablet. will this method work ?

[@Anonymous-g8v]

are you able to upgrade a 4gb 2013 retina 13" pro to 8 or 16 gb?

[@disownedrock]

Amazing video! Anything on iMac 27 2020?

[@DanielVillareal]

Hello. Im from the philippines. Are you able to upgrade m2 air ssd? How much it will cost? Thank you

[@IchanAudioWorkz]

Mabuhay brooooo🎉🎉❤

[@AINMEisONE]

Hi, Can you do 96GB to 128gb on M2 Max? Thanks

[@rohitchand8742]

Can we do ram upgrade on asus zephyrus g16 2024 from 16gb to 32gb or 64gb (lpddr5x) ???

[@collinsmotovlog8687]

How much cost for MacBook air early 2014 4gb ram upgrade to 16gb ram

[@Walter_]

for normal PCs / laptops that upgrade is like 40$ without any soldering required

[@Sacoperario]

Where i can buy this rams?

[@quocbiin]

how much for me ?

[@mworld]

I've got a 2012 mac book pro with 8GB of ram that needs an upgrade

[@markhunter2507]

Me too, I have 2 Tb of storage but 8Gb ram. Sad to say...If I could upgrade to 64Gb ram, I might be able to use this for a couple more years.

[@Walter_]

for normal PCs / laptops that upgrade is like 40$ without any soldering required