ICE 2 : The German push pull high-speed train

Guten Tag folks,
This week we are finally taking a look at the #DB #ICE 2, one of the two oldest generation of ICE. Are they better than the newer generations ? Well let's see...
Enjoy :)
- TRIP INFORMATION -
RECORDED IN JULY 2021
Railroad company: DB
Train type : ICE 2
From : Würzburg to Hamburg
Time : 3h26
Price : 54€ $57
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00:00 : Introduction
01:11 : Würzburg Hbf
01:52 : The ICE family
02:15 : Arrival of the train
02:42 : Boarding
03:08 : Departure
03:14 : Seat check
04:04 : Germany's first high speed line!
05:45 : Hannover
06:09 : Mid roll ads
06:30 : Walkthrough of the train
08:17 : Toilets Time
09:02 : Approaching Hamburg
09:19 : Conclusion
09:55 : Departure
10:51 : Outro

[@mici01]

One thing: while the Würzburg-Hannover high speed line technically has a top speed of 280 kph, in practise it is 250. Because the speed is limited to 250 in the tunnels and there are so many of them that when the trains have reached 280 they already have to breake again for the 250 speed limit. So often the trains just stay at 250 the whole way. Also DB just anounced their new, quite different, interior. So I hope we will get a trip report on one of the new ICE3neo or the ICE L that will get them.

[@1955DodgersBrooklyn]

Only 280 if the train is running late

[@anna2040]

I travel a lot for work throughout Germany/bordering countries and often take the ICE trains between different cities. I might be lucky but I rarely ever have any delays :)

[@marcd6897]

Same here. Also travelling quite a lot, but other than an occasional delay, nothing. I really don’t all the moaning. But that’s most likely a German habit… complain complain complain

[@jatterhog]

@@marcd6897 most train systems have small delays here and there, no point to moan about a 15 minute delay unless you yourself planned your day badly… Sometimes I like delays, I just sit and calm down a bit in a quiet corner of the station after a busy day maybe, or to prepare something for the day. You just have to live with it :)

[@rubenvanvessem7221]

You we certainly very lucky. The one and only time I’ve taken an ICE was from Amsterdam to Basel (at Basel I had a change to go to Milan) and it was delayed 1h 45min, and it ran half capacity, so a lot of people had to stand the long(er) journey. Not a fan to say the least.

[@k5elevencinc0]

A lot of people here are always complaining about DB. This 9 euro ticket is coming in handy this summer though lol

[@mullerman1104]

You are a wizard.

[@user-yd8wp8rz2b]

This video made my heart skip a beat. Moved back to the US four years ago and I miss Germany. I only remember a regional train being late once because someone jumped/fell onto the railway.

[@johnmehaffey9953]

Yep I worked in Germany in the late 70,s and you could have set your watch for the punctuality of the trains, on holidays recently there were hardly ever any high speed trains on time and funnily enough the regional trains were always on time

[@roundandroundmyworld]

Three-four years ago, I was spending a fair bit of time in Germany and rode several different ICEs. I was surprised that the longest one, Stuttgart-Frankfurt-Berlin, actually finished only about 3 minutes late after a long trip. On the other hand, my train from Berlin back to Frankfurt started from Berlin Ost and was already 10 minutes late when it got to Berlin Hauptbahnhof. By the time we got to Frankfurt Hbf we were nearly 35 minutes late -- fortunately I had a 70-minute connection wait so no problem there. A relative whom I was visiting told of one night when the Frankfurt-Munich train simply bypassed the scheduled stop in Stuttgart, a dead-end station. He had to keep riding to Munich, overnight there, and travel back to Stuttgart the next day.

[@salbenrosli707]

This was like my main transportation when I was backpacking in Germany... ICE, regional trains, and Wurzburg HBF is one hell of a food heaven.

[@guillaumedarbin2433]

Yeah, when you think about it, it's truly a push pull train

[@osasunaitor]

Except cars can't be de-coupled

[@thomyg425]

This are really reeaallyy excellent made videos,thanks for sharing it,look forward for the next ones👍👍👍

[@christophernoble6810]

Not experienced lateness on ICE trains, only on some IC trains. About 40% of the line between Würzburg and Hannover is in tunnel. Line limit was originally 250 km/h. Excellent video, thank you.

[@HumbertoMesa]

Thanks for the ride, nice video edition. 🇺🇾

[@timnewman1172]

Thank you Thibault for taking us on another journey! My "bucket list" is to spend one summer riding trains all over Europe. For now, I will live vicariously thru you... LOL!!!

[@FlexxenRandomPlaces]

Seeing the most beautiful railway station of Hamburg in the end made my heart jump 😍 Although.. most of the time trains will catch some extra minutes of delay just in front of the station...

[@jropeways]

another nice train review by simply railway! I loved it. One time when i was waiting for my IC train to Koblenz (delayed by an hour) the ICE on the other platform was cancelled, and my late IC was the replacement train! It was super crowded

[@bneexotics2120]

Hey dude 👍 Just wanted to say thanks for the awesome videos. I've watched almost all your content and am very excited to try a sleeper train one day. Keep up the great work and please continue to review sleeper and over night train rides please 👊😎

[@scottyerkes1867]

Nice, comfy seats! Nice high speed! smooth ride. Thank you Thibault for a good review!😀😀💚💚

[@sandrafaucha8387]

I love your train videos 😍😊

[@natepicker436]

Top-notch filming at 5:42 to 6:02. I like how the reflection turned into normality. They have had drought and high heat in the past 5 years and I hope it has returned to normal. Thanks for all your vids, they are great to watch. Might be helpful to give an idea what kind of food is available on the train, as it's a reflection of culture...or not.

[@rajiv5676]

Love From 🇮🇳India❤❤

[@BR218fan]

Nice Video! In my opinion the ICE 1 and ICE 2 are the best. The ride comfort is better in the ICE 2, but the interior is better in the ICE 1 in some details. But both trainsets have a great timeless exterior design, offer a lot of space and are very cosy. I really like the indirect lighting at the windows and behind the luggage racks, on which you can store even heavy and large trolleys. All in all I hope, these exiting trains of my childhood will stay in service for a while. ;) Greetings from Germany!

[@vachankehr5403]

Ein schönes Video

[@the_vehicle_spotter]

Nice ride

[@Cosmic146.5]

You need to take a ride from Stuttgart to Munich before December 2022. It's the last chance to ride with the ICE, EC or IC via the famous Geislinger Steige. With the timetable change in December, all ICE, EC and IC will take the route via the new highspeed line Wendlingen - Ulm.

[@mj1234321]

Nice looking interior! I've seen the ICE 2 up close but never been aboard one. I like the window art in the restroom! :)

[@lausimeyer6558]

The Würzburg-Fulda section was inaugurated in May 1988. In 1992, ICE-Trains arrived on thins section. Before, there were IC trains with class 120 and preasure-sealed coaches only. The first ICE-line from 1991 only used the Fulda - Hannover section, not Würzburg-Fulda.

[@horiamungiu6678]

Mine broke between Brussels and Franfurkt just before Liège so we were evacuated and put on anothe train. I arrived in Hamburg, my final destination more then 5 hours late.

[@johnburke1317]

Very nice video

[@anthonywarrener1881]

Thank you for a great review. The first series of ICEs are much more comfortable than the ICE4 ! The Bord/restaurant is also good especially in the ICE 1 with the raised dome and extra lighting.

[@ferroviestazioni7323]

Nice video

[@rezaalan3991]

Great trip. I think in general, vehicle who built around late 80's to early 90's winning on seat comfort, because they have great padding and great upholstery, especially velvet fabric usage on seat material.

[@not_on]

These are not the original seats. All ICE 1 & 2 trainsets where refurbished from 2005 on and received new seats and an updated interior. Original 2nd class interior: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICE_1#/media/Datei:Gro%C3%9Fraum_2_Klasse_ICE_1_alt.jpg

[@pakroomitrains]

Excellent 👍👍👍 bro

[@petitjeanmanon5791]

🔥🔥

[@EpicThe112]

Excellent video and for Schnellfahrstrecke Hannover Würzburg it's designed for Mix Passenger and Freight traffic tunnels because during the evening when there are no ICE Trains running its used by Freight Trains. Except for Würzburg to Main Spessart Bahn connector line which is used by Freight and ÖBB Nightjet services from Wien Hbf and Innsbruck Hbf via Hauptstrecke München-Augsburg. Other ICE2 services are 16 carriages these are Berlin to Aachen Hbf with a portion splitting off for Köln Hbf via Wuppertal and Hagen Hbf at Hannover or Dortmund Hbf. To Aschaffenburg Hbf these are 16:55 ICE3 DB BR445/446 146.2 Doppelstockwagen 17:37

[@bahnspotterEU]

Not quite. The Berlin-Rhine/Ruhr route is usually Berlin-Düsseldorf (via Dortmund, Bochum, Essen and Duisburg) and Berlin-Cologne (via Hagen and Wuppertal). The trains split at Hamm station, east of Dortmund. Some Cologne-bound trains also continue to Bonn, along with the Berlin-Cologne-Bonn sprinter services.

[@mullerman1104]

I was on an ICE between Köln and Bielefeld this May and it had a 270min delay. The trains after it were also at least 3h late. There was a broken door…

[@AgentSkelly]

One of the German guys I have met at Siemens was telling me when ICE was being developed, all the stakeholders made a list of things that annoyed them about current trains, then someone mentioned “No ideas from the DR trains!”

[@siddsoldier2449]

The cabin is like airplane

[@ruiassuncao94]

Don't forget the ÖBB Nightjet overnight trains @Simply Railway they also use High Speed Lines, lol :P :)

[@SternenruferinPatchouli1]

on this line there was deadly ICE accident near Eschede 3. Juni 1998, also an ICE 1

[@k0k0m02008]

I remember a ride from Osnabruck to Hamburg, back in 1998, and I loved the experience on board of the ICE. I also remember a fast food restaurant overlooking the platforms at Hamburg Hbf where I spent a lovely trainspotting afternoon while I waited for my connection to Copenhagen. This station brings me back fond memories. One question: how do you know which model is assigned to each service? For example, just to clarify, is there a way to find out that services running from Munich to Hamburg are all ICE 2 and from Hamburg to Berlin all ICE 3? How do you know where to get each specific trainset? I am curious

[@mullerman1104]

Well there are Bahnbetriebswerke (Bw) where the trains are stationed, which you can look up. Then there is a giant train spotter community that spots every change in the schedule.

[@k0k0m02008]

@@mullerman1104 Ok, so if I want to ride a specific type of train I can know in advance with high degree of certainty that such model will be devoted to a particular route?

[@trainspotter_sk]

The ICE 1 is the best in my opinion, it offers compartments aswell as open salon seating and I personally very enjoy travelling in a compartment compared to a open-salon

[@thomasburke2683]

Marco, I personally prefer to travel in an open saloon, but trains should provide a full variety of classes and formats, to satisfy all sections of the travelling public. Give them what they want at a fair price and they will use the railway.

[@SuperUnbenannt]

I’ve taken several ICE services in the past weeks and I haven’t been on time once. Minimum delay was +30’, maximum was +120’.

[@lionscityleon4616]

The ICE 1 is the best ICE. I really miss the compartments on the other generations.

[@evazampa1237]

So pure I have never experienced a toilet tn an ICE🤔

[@Abnerbandanovotempoinscrito1mi]

Bom dia simply lindo trem trem 🚆 gostei ice

[@raphi25895]

Technically, the ICE 3 could also travel over 500km/h, but the curve diameter of the route network does not allow such a speed

[@larshelmin]

I recently travelled in Germany with the ICE 4 both times, and they were late both times! I made my connections but only because I put in 45-55 minuts for switching trains. And the old ICE 2 ( and 1) are better. Nicer interior and most important , better seats. The ICE 4 seats in 1st class felt lika a 3rd class wooden bench after 2-3 hours.

[@theTHwa3tes11]

So this is what a 1st world problem feels like...

[@lausimeyer6558]

At the moment, nearly all trains are horribly late in Germany. There are a lot of heavy construction works at the moment. From yesterday on until december, the shown Würzburg - Fulda highspeed line is closed - new tracks and new switches are installed.

[@bwcbiz]

German scenery always reminds me of Eastern Pennsylvania in the US.

[@juancardona5075]

Can you do a review on the Tri Rail service in Florida? I've been waiting to see that review for a while

[@jochenlin8085]

Great trip Report! Can you know which ICE generation is running on timetable, or you just have to roll the dice? I checked but could only find on qhich particular route the ICE 1 are running

[@blaythierry8722]

😀😀🥰🥰🥰💥💥💥💥💥👍👍👍 NICE VIDEO !

[@special5513]

10:03 the delays are hitting now the regional Trains, because of the 9 Euro Ticket.

[@RandomGamesProductions]

That’s a pretty nice bathroom for a train

[@glados4262]

dude!you gotta explore hannover and its gigantic things like trams, its stations and more!

[@eddi5190]

ICE 1 is the best,More Space inside More comfortable….and before the 1st redisign the best Interieur ever

[@mrfleming79]

The delays in the Hessen area is no excuses for ICE

[@longislandrailroadrailfan8339]

Aww was hoping for Japan.

[@henrikwessels3843]

I‘m a german and you ask me for delays? It‘s typical at Train stations that: „🎶ICE 543 nach Berlin Hbf über Wolfsburg Hbf, heute ca. 60min später. Grund dafür ist eine verspätete Bereitstellung“

[@bahnspotterEU]

That’s the most inexcusable one! I also had a really infuriating experience in Berlin Hbf, where the train simply didn’t show up, and only after like 10 minutes past departure there was a notification saying it was 30 minutes delayed. The train then passed through Berlin Hbf on its way to its starting point at Südkreuz, only to return a whole 30-35 minutes late. In addition, half of second class was blocked off because of *drumroll please*: broken air conditioning! They really ticked all the boxes that day.

[@mertxq]

Oh, you‘re here in Hamburg. Would love to meet you. :) I personally hate working on the ICE 2, the interior is awful, I don‘t like the shape of the seats with the grab handle. I hate coach number 21 and the narrow train attendant office. 🤮

[@zazanova7327]

Unfortunately, I always plan at least 1 hour puffer in between connections in Germany because of nonstop delays. The obvious reason is the mismanagement by DB not having an own passage for the ICE's and many other things, like letting rod the whole infrastructure for decades and wondering why we are miserable. It really showed how bad our situation is, when the 9€ Ticket came along. That is also the reasons why lots of people go via ICE because it is nightmare if you god forbid have an appointment and take the Regio. Right at the moment, you are really trained at being patient around Frankfurt Hbf due to construction work. I have to travel a bit between Augsburg and Giessen and when ever I took the ICE there was always a fricking delay. But still what ever I vent about, it is because I love traveling via train and do hope we get better here soon. I do hope the 9€ Ticket stays, it is good, offering a cheap alternative at the Regio beside the ridiculous expensive tickets we have.

[@1955DodgersBrooklyn]

I live in Germany and take the ICE every now and then... usually it's on time but some stations are big bottlenecks that cause delays (like Frankfurt)

[@mullerman1104]

Köln ist am schlimmsten.

[@Nazir-WalkAroundTheCity]

🚂👍 Good job 👏🤝 Wow nice view, I like to see new places ✌ Great movie 👍 Bravo 👋 And I have a new movie from a walk around the city 😊 Regards, DJ Janusz from Warsaw Poland ✌ 🇵🇱✋

[@bryanmbianda3803]

well its cool but it likes the ice 3 train😮

[@alexanderivkin7086]

After modernization the ICE 2 looks really good.

[@henrikwessels3843]

For me, the best ICE is the 3th generation

[@dielegende9141]

>Würzburg Bavaria I believe that's what you call a significant faux pas (Würzburg is in Franconia, which is administratively part of Bavaria, but the inhabitants are very insistent that it's culturally not Bavarian)

[@iamhusainkhan9540]

Have you ever tried journey with Indian Railways?

[@AndrewG1989]

Will German's ICE trains ever operate from London St. Pancras International to Berlin, Hamburg, Cologne, Dusseldorf, Dortmund, Bern and other cities in Germany and other neighbouring European countries.

[@timschulz9563]

I doubt it. I don't think they are going to do this after Brexit.

[@ce1834]

maybe Cologne at a stretch but with Eurostar. Destinations are constrained by demand and the need for border control at stations, the UK was never in Schengen to begin with so Brexit didn't hugely affect the experience. But the fast frequent connections to Paris/Brussels and changing from there is pretty good as it is

[@AndrewG1989]

Totally agree. Doesn’t even matter if the UK stayed in the EU but yes of course Brexit changed everything.

[@TheWillSlane]

There were actually plans for it. However, these were dropped very quickly. Since it would have been too expensive to meet British customs regulations, among other things.

[@AndrewG1989]

@@TheWillSlane Ok interesting

[@PlanesTrainsEverything]

The TGV record is for conventional trains. The world record is 603kmh/375mph on a Japanese maglev train in 2015. What's the fastest you've ever travelled on a train?

[@thomasburke2683]

A maglev is not a real train.

[@birdk3421]

I think it is nonsense to compare Maglev trains with ordinary railways. The enemies of Japan's high-speed trains are noise regulations and mountainous areas, and the rivals are flight routes for aircraft.😅

[@ncard00]

No, China’s new maglev train holds the world speed record for land based vehicles.

[@marcogentile3392]

He Is talking about conventional trains, not trains in general

[@ce1834]

The new Chinese maglev is a prototype and has not run at 600km/h yet as claimed (fastest maglev test so far is L0 Shinkansen: 603km/h) (also the land speed vehicle record belongs to Thrust SSC - 1228km/h)

[@thatchaphonkaeosuriya8085]

Have you ever watched the journal de 13h of 3 April 2007 (France 2)? France 2 broadcasted the TGV world record (conventional line) test with Elise Lucet and Alban Mikoczy (the guy who was reported from the bridge). This TGV still holds the world speed in the conventional lines.

[@urosradovanovic7720]

Can you do belgrade-novi sad railway high speed rail line next please???

[@AB-pq4du]

You should also review the ice TD

[@burgerpommes2001]

The one that doesn't run?

[@bahnspotterEU]

Too late, all have been withdrawn for a few years now and I think most have been scrapped already.

[@TheWillSlane]

@@bahnspotterEU Every ICE TD, except 3 units where scrapped. 2 of this trains where used as "advanced train lab" to test experimental railway technology. Like sensors and software for autonomous driving.

[@samtrak1204]

Germany seems to have a mix of high speed and upgraded conventional lines. I'll be traveling between Frankfurt and Berlin in February, but I'm not sure if the routes are high speed all the way???

[@alaindumas1824]

None of the ICE routes between Frankfurt and Berlin is high speed all the way.

[@silvianbauer1979]

Can you pleased Metronom 🤩

[@adrianberceanu9342]

How is that table small?

[@teotik8071]

It is folded.

[@julianvanderlee854]

You have to be fast. If I remember correctly, the DB wants to gradually phase out the ICE 1 and replace it with the new ICEs.

[@bahnspotterEU]

The ICE 1 is getting a life extension until around 2030. They are being shortened to 9 intermediate coaches and refurbished inside and out.

[@sergiod6781]

4:46 This is precisely why apple no longer makes iPads and iPhones with white borders. With the passage of time, they become yellowish and that takes away the elegance of the product.

[@smorph1070]

they are further differences between the ice 1 & ice 2

[@anderslarsen6009]

My last 3 trips with DB has been delayed, Mannheim Hamburg that nealy costed me the last connection to Copenhagen, This Saturday our train from Frankfurt to Nürnberg was so much delayed that we couldn´t make our connection to Wien. Luckily we had so much time in Frankfurt that we could take the S-bahn to Hannau and with 7 minutes to spare we could make our train to Wien from there instead. But we where also 10 minutes delayed arriving at Wien Hbf. The last delay was a combination of CD and DB´s fault :-)

[@maryburger1232]

Maybe you should leave a bigger time slot between trains ?

[@anderslarsen6009]

@@maryburger1232 Maybe DB should not be 45 minutes late. We had 35 minutes in Nürnberg and on the trip from Mannheim I had over 30 minutes of layover in Hamburg as well. In any other civilized country that should be enough time. In the case with the late train from Mannheim it ended out being only 6 minutes or so, so I could buy a sandwich and something to drink for the last leg to Denmark. But when DB start sending out emails that you won't make your connection and are free to book any other travel you start to get worried.

[@bahnspotterEU]

@@anderslarsen6009 From personal experience it’s gotten worse over the last few months, at least where I live. Delays are very common, a strange number of people throw themselves in front of trains, causing huge hold-ups for hours, and signal/point failures also seem more common.

[@MassbyTrain]

Ride sunrail America’s least used commuter rail with a staggering fare box recovery ratio of 7%

[@samtrak1204]

The link the the airport, late night service, higher frequency and week-end trains would boost Sunrail ridership tremendously but Florida politicians are too caught up in "race theory" and other stupid shit to do the right thing.

[@connecticutmultimodaltrans8226]

No, least used is Nashville's Music City Star. Sunrail has very low ridership too though.

[@bluebear6570]

Comfort, punctionality, cleanliness and, last but not least, safety have been on a constant decline with Deutsche Bahn in recent years. I have given up on train travel for that matter!

[@lillywho]

It's spelled "Würzburg"

[@theodorthegreathe]

Sad that you didn't mention - this train is inaccessible on its own yet at stations with higher platforms. You have to call hotline and arrange a mobile lift should you want to travel ICE2 in a wheelchair

[@connecticutmultimodaltrans8226]

what?? that's so silly. what about the other ICE models?

[@bahnspotterEU]

@@connecticutmultimodaltrans8226 Don‘t know about if the newer ones have a wheelchair lift built in, but there is no level boarding on any ICE unit. All have steps built in to reach the floor height. DB will introduce low-floor locomotive-hauled Talgo sets branded as “ICE-L” (L for low-floor), but these are really more InterCity than ICE trains. Therefore, level boarding on any proper ICE is still a long way away currently.

[@maxinlux6570]

You were close to Luxembourg- Why didn' you call? (trains are free in Luxembourg! OK, they don't go far, but they are free ;-) ) EDIT- Just watched until the end, béret, check! But you needed a string of onions around your neck, a baguette under your arm and a striped "maillot rayé" to complete the look ;-)

[@rientie4266]

He wasn't close at all, Würzburg is the closest he got and that's still about 250km so idk man...

[@maxinlux6570]

@@rientie4266 Closer than NY just the other day...

[@rientie4266]

@@maxinlux6570 do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?

[@mohammadislam2652]

Good video the ice train ice 2 is good can you ride metronom bahn and regionalbahn double decker DB ride in Germany 🇩🇪

[@hainam8614]

First :D

[@a35504804]

7:51 Shouldn't the dinning car have a high roof???

[@lausimeyer6558]

Only ICE1 dining cars have the high roof and the trains look like the snake that swallowed the elephant at "Le petit Prince".