ICJ rules Israeli occupation of Gaza illegal | LBC analysis

Matthew Wright hears from guests after the ICF said Israel’s presence in Palestinian territory is 'unlawful' and should be 'ended as rapidly as possible'.
First, Matthew and Human Rights Watch's Yasmine Ahmed discuss the future of UK-Israeli relations after this ruling.
Ahmed says: "The UK needs to be using every leverage that it has against Israel to stop this.
"This will make it harder for David Lammy and Keir Starmer not to do anything, and it makes it even more hollow in their words of a two-state solution, and a peaceful settlement of the dispute, if they do nothing now."
Matthew also speaks to former spokesman for NATO, Mark Laity, who doesn't expect to see much change 'immediately' following this. However, he predicts it will be much harder now to 'ignore the importance of a two-state solution'.
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[@mikhaelxm]

Do you condemn apartheid?

[@twittlypoo]

@@mikhaelxm Yes, but there is no apartheid in Gaza.

[@rohanali32]

​@@twittlypooIn Gaza there is simply bombardment and destruction. In the West Bank there certainly is an apartheid

[@avishevin1976]

You don’t.

[@avishevin1976]

@@rohanali32 What is an apartheid? Have you ever seen one? What color is it?

[@MrsZambezi]

@@rohanali32 Not really. Those with murderous intent are kept separate in every country.

[@JamesMillar-rn3rs]

The US and UK etc keep going on about "rule based system". Well how can they still say that when this ruling proves those rules are being blatantly broken?

[@yt.personal.identification]

Rules for thee, but not for me. There's nothing new here.

[@BillGoreArt]

He who holds the gun makes the rules. When has human civilisation been any different?

[@adamrobson80]

It's do as we say not as we do

[@carolphillips4624]

They have no jurisdiction their ruling is advice 😂😂

[@adamrobson80]

@@carolphillips4624 yes they do

[@AnnAldridge-v3p]

My father was a young British soldier sent to palestine in 1947, my family still have all his army papers stamped Palestine.He never forget what he says was so unjust,Palestinians forced,by gunpoint,out of their homes,atrocities committed.

[@nickryder9669]

User my father was also in Palestine but between the two world wars !

[@BillGoreArt]

A tale as old as time, your point?

[@AndreAndre-lm4pj]

Shouldn't of sided with the Germans then

[@mollyvilakazi]

​@@BillGoreArtThe point is that Israel isn't guaranteed to exist forever

[@HarpoonB2]

Your right, we send money and weapons to Ukraine ( rightly) but we just watch this horror. I will say what most won't, its because everyone is afraid to criticise the Jews.

[@diddydum]

LBC is complicit

[@moyurbird7829]

100 💯 will stated I'm gonna repost ur statement

[@TheLion-b3h]

Aswell as NICK FERRARI..!!!

[@opinion3742]

Unfortunately...yes

[@mdmanrecords]

Absolutely agree. Free Palestine 🇵🇸

[@BrodaPaul]

Totally agree. Too many presenters on LBC were making excuses for israel. Its almost like they were forced to view it all from israels angle 🤔

[@tobyjones453]

Mark Laity is so wrong on what the Palestinians were offered. They were never offered what amounts to a State. Even Rabin acknowledged in the Knesset that they were offered less than state. Mark Regev recently said that too. The point is Palestinians should be given what is their right - self determination on the 67 line. Simple, control over their water, airspace etc.

[@shannonm1608]

Well said! How he infantilized Arafat was so gross. And imagine likening accepting the colonization of your lands as divvying up cake... eff right off!

[@MrsZambezi]

They don't want a state, they want to destroy Israel.

[@yosharian]

Yes, and if they then use all of that to immediately attack Israel, that is completely irrelevant!

[@siddeekadam]

Well put. Mark Laity is either playing ignorant or really is ignorant...

[@The_Mosaic]

What about in 47?

[@Claire-dg3gh]

Where is labour friends of Israel & conservative friends of Israel statement of support for the principle of international law & given the circumstances why hasn't party membership lab & con not been withdrawn.

[@Midland_Wolf_71]

They probably cant read their scripts amidst all that DARKNESS

[@alanhat5252]

😂😂😂😂

[@Mr.BednaR]

...civilian death toll clock was also stopped about 3 months ago...

[@DeniseWilliams-jr5xo]

Simple because the law is the law. That land has never belonged to Israel. The bible is a work of propaganda.

[@johnsomebody1753]

@@Claire-dg3gh At least they're being exposed for what they are, again. At some point, their lies must surely be enough for them to not be believed, at all, by a critical majority. Just like is happening to Isrealhell. For people to vote in credible numbers, giving a not credible Government artificial credibility, must surely involve some sort of mental illness, a psychosis, mustn't it. So how can a psychiatrist society be governed ? Is it something to do with them believing what they're told to believe ? Truth shall set us free

[@GlennSmith-m2e]

It's hard to discus this when KZbin so heavily employs political censorship.

[@nigelsynnott7344]

Your proof of this is?

[@GlennSmith-m2e]

You can't prove that comments have been blocked because they are blocked. In my case every time I've talked about Bees, dees and s's and the UK's status as Uncle Sam's lapdog.

[@MaxMisterC]

​@@nigelsynnott7344 Your proof it is not?

[@nigelsynnott7344]

@@GlennSmith-m2e What are dees and s's. Bees - I cant see why YT would worry about honey making pollinators,

[@bob-g3e3x]

@@nigelsynnott7344 Yes, it is easily proven, do you know why, because it's reality, you should try living in it one day

[@tomito8896]

Mister Laity still tells the Palestinians they should have accepted less than their legal right. It's a ridiculous argument.

[@compositestechbb9087]

They're brown

[@Zak-gl4ig]

Exactly, shocking that people still look to blame Palestinians for Isrel's crimes.

[@RobPires]

His arguments sound like Palestine was empty when the Europeans fled Europe. If he knew what we all knew, that Palestine was not empty, he would understand that it was ridiculous to split it into two and give more than half to recent newcomers from Europe.

[@thomasmufanadzo3764]

Is he blaming people who lived under those conditions... that they should have taken the two-state solution? What apartheid state wouldn't want a two-state solution? Your analysis is okay for someone in Israel, not a Palestinian in Gaza or West Bank. I think Mark should go back to NATO talk points, they are hiring!

[@zizuette]

He’s ex-Nato, it’s all we can expect. They’re all complicit in this Nakba 2.2.

[@Katy-sh3ru]

So when are you reinstating Sangita? Or at least apologising publicly, LBC?

[@mohamadromzee7394]

Does South Africa has the right to exist? Yes. Does apartheid South Africa has right to exist? No. There is no such things as the issue is complex, or there is context etc. its a No. You cannot subject people, their children and future generation to a brutal apartheid rule. Does the state of israel has the right to exist .....

[@opinion3742]

Not as it stands

[@Koloviv48i]

No , they can exist in Eastern Europe, but not in Palestine.

[@andrewfineberg2397]

Okay well that's not going to happen. Israel will exist or the alternative is something I don't want consider.

[@morganzaki]

I simply couldn't believe it when the presenter puts his hand up and asks "oh dear, what can we possibly do" ARE YOU SERIOUS? As Britain, what can you do? Are You Serious? Is this even a journalist?

[@The_Mosaic]

It’s true though. UK is irrelevant today. Idk why u guys even discuss the issue since you guys are just a bunch of has-beens with no say in international conflicts.

[@mollyvilakazi]

This guy is just here to defend Israel and cast doubt on any laws that are against Israel.

[@fivish]

Doubt? Check international law and UN charter for yourself and see that the ICJ is bogus.

[@kathrynwilson2813]

That is not what he is saying. He is enraged by Israel’s impunity and refusal to abide by international law.

[@kathrynwilson2813]

@@Ben92-i1m I feel your pain, I really do!

[@jeyxjey]

They don't abide any laws. Look at them in UK - they have 'special' law created for them.....

[@kelvinhunter615]

He knows the truth just to scared. Might lose his job.

[@Omar-gw8lt]

Bring back sangita

[@manvbees]

No. LBC already has enough propaganda mouthpieces 😂

[@Ntuthu-ZA]

@@manvbees really?

[@mohammedsaleh7]

​@@manvbees like Vanessa Feltz you mean?

[@eelmohamed]

What's a sangita? I have no idea 🤔

[@Donna.thewarner]

@@mohammedsaleh7 that vannesa is the large day time lady

[@patrickcrosby6219]

What an absolutely appalling victim blaming take from Mark Laity.

[@gscott1233]

But Israel has more oomph

[@SuaadAlnaabi]

UK is a major player here… we need to read history properly

[@user-ug8wx5er1w]

Now what?? So is Egypt - which is where Gazans are from…

[@vishammahir9590]

@@user-ug8wx5er1w You just believe that without any critical thinking? No wonder why Zionism is so prevalent in the west.

[@AmrHussein1805]

When there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for the UK to support them. Religion has no land. Religion is neither a race nor a national identity. If the UK takes a moral stand for a change and officially declare it agrees with the court ruling (which is jurist and rational) it will make a huge difference

[@Irishrover11]

Uk minor player!! Created by the uk, trained by the uk, protected supported and covered up by the uk, hmmmm.

[@sz1273]

Bill Clinton confesses in his auto Biography that the deal Palestinians got couldn't be called a deal and while Arafat reluctantly agreed to it eventually, the newly elected government under Netanyahu, came in to power towards the end and he basically did what he does best, to pick the deal apart find a weak point and exploit it to get out of the deal. all the while laying the blame on the Palestinians, there is a Video of him that has gone viral confessing/Bragging about it. The deal required Palestinians to not have Military facilities and just police stations. When Netanyahu came in to power he fooled the Americans in to giving him the final say on what is and isn't a Military facility, and he exploited that and I quote him "the whole west bank is a military facility" and he never signed the deal because of it. I don't know why these Brits don't take 5 mins in to researching this, its all there for anyone to see for them self.

[@BillGoreArt]

We're not the world police. Sort it out yourselves.

[@IcarianX]

@@sz1273 but we still must endure ghouls telling us that Clinton blames Arafat for the failure of the 93 Oslo Accords. Despite evidence and admissions to the contrary. A d despite Clinton having zero credibility.

[@winnersfootballtv5517]

​@@BillGoreArtthank you. I don't why the western people are obsessed with middle east in both positive and negative way.

[@annemoorhouse]

​@@BillGoreArtI dont know why people think we need to involve ourselves in everything, we have enough problems of our own, I 100% agree with your comment.

[@Kashish4Eijaz]

​@@BillGoreArt yeh go around looting the world... interfering in political matters of other countries and then say we aren't the world police sort it out yourselves. such ignorance is shocking!

[@DerryDave]

Does this dude,, not accept, that Western states have a responsibility to conform to the principle of law in its diplomatic, economic and legal relations?

[@chatham43]

@Derry But they don't...and stick to irish politics.

[@PatronSaintOfPigeons]

I see a lot of bots doing double commas, poor training

[@maxdowney3717]

He's a mere lapdog, he's seen other colleagues lose their jobs for daring to shine a light on apartheid Israel's hypocrisy and long history of committing international war crimes/acts of industrial scale terrorism against the indigenous Palestinians.

[@guidobolke5618]

Not, if the international institutions are corrupted.

[@mandyharewood886]

Still blaming the Palestinians! We see you, ex NATO guy. We see you.

[@BillGoreArt]

I'm sure he cares about your opinion.

[@festo8885]

I blame them still

[@NoorAhmed-nk2jq]

I mean he's qouting Clinton to justify it so what do you expect!

[@Celtictribes]

There are no such people as "Palastinians" you've been brainwashed.

[@luvitluvitbaby]

@@festo8885Why???

[@jaymarcus9570]

UK is complicit

[@chongxina8288]

No it isn’t.

[@daviddoink872]

bought and paid for

[@kevin-Reform]

😂

[@chongxina8288]

@@daviddoink872 Bingo.

[@fivish]

The UK failed to enact the Palestine Mandate and the KGB filled the void in 1964 with the PLO. The UK is indeed complicit in creating these arab squatters on Jewish land.

[@offroadoffshore153]

Mate are you completely dense?? How was apartheid stopped in Sth Africa? Their seat in the UN ceaded and sanctions finally agreed to by the UK and in the Security Council. Israel in 76 yesrs have never agreed to a Palistinians State incl Oslo 1 & 2. You and that guest need to get up to speed.

[@yt.personal.identification]

Queen had to stop going for a visit.

[@alanhat5252]

The guest is ex-BBC, what do you expect?

[@DankyKang96]

Don’t know what you expect from far left media, every single thing is based off emotion with them.

[@yt.personal.identification]

@@DankyKang96 What? Did you reply to the wrong comment?

[@K0BRAH95]

@@DankyKang96yet the court ruled in Palestinians favour? Ok buddy

[@mebdoc]

That ex NATO guy was typically biased against the Palestinian cause.

[@festo8885]

Most people are and rightly so

[@urbandruiduk9928]

It's almost as if he knows more about the situation than you do

[@froggin-zp4nr]

He was for UNRWA being defunded because of apparent links to Hamas and guess what, no evidence has been supplied and the UK has resumed funding. NATO guy does not value evidence he's totally in Israel's pocket

[@winnersfootballtv5517]

But the other guest wasn't because she said what you want to hear.

[@Sundancer09]

​@@urbandruiduk9928If left out the part where indigenous Palestinians were never consulted about over half their territory being given to European immigrants who only owned 6% of it.

[@GSOHJM]

Why is any nation waiting for the ICJ to teach them right from wrong?

[@fivish]

ICJ runs on Sharia and not international law and UN charter.

[@BobSacamano666]

​@@fivishexamples?

[@zw9802]

hopefully they're not; the UN is dominated by non democratic, Muslim tyrannies.

[@Sundancer09]

​@@fivishGrow up.

[@GSOHJM]

@@fivish give your mum her phone back

[@alrosano5786]

My dog knew it was illegal and immoral !

[@jaymarcus9570]

@@alrosano5786 😁😁😁

[@bobbygabriel9574]

Exactly!

[@chongxina8288]

Is your dog a vegan too?

[@lukekonopka1344]

​@chongxina8288 well that's the stupidest question I've seen today

[@chongxina8288]

@@lukekonopka1344 Probably because you don’t understand it. 💁🏼‍♂️

[@JM-zf1zq]

Bring back Sangita

[@bopbopboo]

Everyone on lbc that tried to cover or minimize Israeli war crimes should be held to account

[@makkansharifa5889]

It might not make immediate difference but the difference is the whole world is talking about the injustice Palestinians have suffered. Just 1 year ago no one dared criticise Israel. It is happening slowly and gradually now that the whole world is aware of the plight of Palestinians.

[@hubadabubbada]

Beautiful to witness, especially for those of use who followed the issue for decades. This past year has been completely different in comparison.

[@uniquevideosUk]

You are wrong! The majority of us in the UK know a ceasefire works two ways! You struggle to use critical thinking on that major factor I've noticed, you also need to remember them who need returning to Israel as part of any ceasefire deal & stop blaming Jewish civilians that are Innocent themselves.

[@trappybaby4185]

@@uniquevideosUk😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Noell05]

hahaha🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@hemtet5500]

I wonder why my comments are being censored?

[@esamalyanai4090]

These presenters make you sick …

[@JM-zf1zq]

this is to keep listeners in Golders Green happy.

[@bibiloonat8747]

UK minor player 😂😂 wasnt Balfour British...

[@iftyhargil8359]

You realize that 2024 is not 1917, yes?

[@Geoeoeon]

It's LBC they have to bring in an Israeli lapdog, I think we're gonna see a lot of downplaying as of now. But i think we all know the European settler project in the Middle East is finished.

[@TS-jm7jm]

​@@iftyhargil8359 the british have yet to come to terms with ño longer being an empire and global power

[@alanhat5252]

​@@iftyhargil8359the Balfour Declaration is still a foundation this situation is built upon, withdraw the Declaration & the whole edifice is weakened.

[@BillGoreArt]

​@TS-jm7jm Just like Rome switched from a physical empire to a theocratic one. Britain switched to a financial one. It exists. You just don't see it

[@FurieMan]

Netanyahus responce is basically to admit the crime. We arent stealing the land because it is already ours! Not helping your claim if you say internationally recognised palestinian land is Isreals.

[@kayew5492]

Relying on Biblical claims is unlikely to help. Even if you believe the atrocities described in the Old Testament in Canaan were Yahweh's idea (I don't) and that the Creator of All decided to gift his favourites (really?) with a piece of land, in perpetuity - back in the Bronze Age, you could get away with that sort of behaviour, but no longer. Totally delusional.

[@Side_Eye_Shibe]

​@@kayew5492it's not a biblical claim. There are many historian accounts and archeological evidence to back it up. It's like you are saying that the Roman occupation of the area isn't valid because you can find mentions of it in the Christian bible... The most obvious archeological evidence is the remnants of the temple of Solomon, literally thousands of years old.

[@MaxMisterC]

​@@Side_Eye_Shibe You have no claim. Get out!

[@denisburgess2966]

​@@MaxMisterCThey do have a claim.

[@IcarianX]

​@@Side_Eye_Shibethe archeological claim is nonsense. There are two thousand years of Catholic history in Rome, does that mean that Rome belongs to the Roman Catholic people? Can I, as an Irish Roman Catholic, claim that archeological history is that of the Irish Roman Catholics? And that the land therefore belongs to my people? Nonsense.

[@propagandaisnottrue2121]

Imagine needing a court to tell you occupation is illegal/wrong... Pathetic double standards and hypocrisy... The occupation started before October 7th and before Hamas existed, so they can no longer be used as excuses 🤨 Don't waste my time asking who the occupiers of Gaza are when the court has already told you...

[@jettser17UK]

There's hypocrisy from your side especially where Oct 7th is concerned! 😏

[@propagandaisnottrue2121]

@jettserUK17 The occupation started over 20 years before October 7th? I fail to see the relevance? Is it OK if i occupy your house/land? @eddiecalderone Plonker

[@clairegillies7919]

@@jettser17UK Hannibal Directive Oct 7 - read Haaretz.

[@jettser17UK]

​@@propagandaisnottrue2121 What absolute nonsense and historically inaccurate! There's no point in debating on this censorship controlled channel!

[@eddiecalderone]

Who was occupying Gaza?​@@propagandaisnottrue2121

[@brianferguson7840]

In 2018 Israeli soldiers shot over 6,000 Palestinians. In many cases they were shot with illegal expanding ammunition. So, did the present iteration of this problem begin on 7th October 2023 (1,200 casualties) or March/Dec 2018 (6,000 casualties) Discus ??

[@Nobleman707]

So funny The ICJ did not just mention Gaza , it added all Palestinian territories including West Bank. Please LBC be more accurate Also, bring back Sangita if only you want us to believe you are unbiased.

[@kerryquinn6218]

My comment was deleted in a record three seconds, that speaks volumes but I'm not surprised the truth hurts.

[@enigma7791]

That would be an algo doing the deleting. Certain words will trigger the delete algo automatically.

[@sharasia7690]

You don't have to use offensive words for u tube to delete. The truth is also banned here.

[@kerryquinn6218]

@@sharasia7690 you're absolutely correct.

[@KasumiTendo1]

How can Britain decide to give a people's land to another people, I mean this is just absurd!

[@Lloyd.Browne]

What could go wrong? Let’s watch hypocrisy in action.

[@naturesound8660]

The Western moral dilemma, asking every nation to obey international law but not Israel.

[@jamesoneill2933]

Why would Britain oppose that from which Britain profits ?

[@Sundancer09]

The new government doesn't want to appear complicit in breaking international law.

[@staticcouch135]

How about you accept giving 3 quarters of your home to someone who invades it? Do that and then we can talk 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

[@twittlypoo]

Have the hostages been released yet?

[@chozusmakavelli]

no report of this on the BBC, why doesn't the msm report this??

[@AlGorithm-n6q]

Matthew Wright can argue about the legitimacy of the ICJ all he likes. Nobody in the rest of the sane world listens to his BS or gives a toss about the opinions of LBC listeners.

[@BillGoreArt]

True, these echo chambers left and right wing are amusing. People so easily led.

[@andreafranklin9652]

Yet you're here

[@AlGorithm-n6q]

@@andreafranklin9652 Ever heard of KZbin algorithms? I guess not. Go back to sleep. 😂

[@K0BRAH95]

@@AlGorithm-n6qdid anyone ever tell u algorithms don’t force u to actually watch the video? 🙄

[@CoysMasterson]

Not so. I try to listen to all sides… and this ruling does not support Israel’s stance in the Palestinian Territories… but it’s the hypocrisy that grates on me.

[@SteveWatson-v5s]

Complicit so called journalism

[@brianberman]

can you name a country that ever gave water, electric and food to the enemy even warning of impending bombings ?

[@alanhat5252]

I hope you're not calling that journalism? 😂😢 Still no mention that Z10nism started in the 1850s in Europe? Still no mention that the invasion started in 1881 & had gen0cide as its intention from the outset? Still no mention that the invasion was boosted by Britain exporting Z10nists to Palestine from 1920 & by Germany from the 1930s? Still no mention that the British rule in Palestine from 1920 was racially discriminatory & disarmed Arebs while arming Jiws? Still no mention that Isrel was governed by declared terrorists till 1948 legalized them? Still no mention of the hundreds of massacres throughout the century? (Misspellings to evade YT's automated censorship)

[@tomwebb7091]

Still no mention of what happened to the jews long before that then? In case you hadnt noticed its 2024 and not 1940.

[@Ondolite]

​@@tomwebb7091Weird response. What happened to them and where??

[@talksmoke1190]

No mention that most of whst uou said is bs

[@Ondolite]

@@talksmoke1190 Give specific examples.

[@Ondolite]

@@tomwebb7091 Yoo appear to have completely contradicted yourself there. This is the essence of zionism.

[@morelanmn]

The UK started this mess by illegally allowing Palestine to be divided. If needed the UK should send troops into Israel and correct the wrong the UK did.

[@victormeidan1062]

Silly comment.

[@eelmohamed]

Israel has two mothers: Its biological one is the UK, and its adoptive Mom is the US, both are very loving and caring.☺️

[@SodaQuasar]

Too much "care" that the child has now became a spoiled bully leeching off their parents blood n money causing havoc n destruction everywhere

[@jutswheezie]

ok - how come all the ancient sites are Israeli and how come buying land with money from Arab leaders is a crime and does not make you a rightful land owner??? Or is it because Israeli and christians and atheist are sub humans to you ???

[@martinacaffrey4411]

​@@jutswheezieland has and is being taken at gunpoint. This is theft and forced displacement. 🤡

[@SodaQuasar]

@jutswheezie go educate urself. The ancient sites are not Israelis nor does it provide u any right to claim the land, especially after hundreds of years. Palestinians (muslim, jews, christian) has been living in that land for hundreds of years before the zionist jews comes from Europe and kick them out with the help of British n US. How is that not a crime? In fact, when they came at first the Palestinians actually welcomed them accepting them as refugees of ww2 seeking asylum and safety. They thought it would be a temporary thing. Imagine the horror when suddenly u get had to vacate ur house and move because these people from europe claimed the land was theirs. N many years after that they still kept taking more and more lands after that ignoring UN resolutions etc.

[@Noell05]

@@SodaQuasar 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@mnemonija]

Arafat was never offered a state. Never control of the borders, airspace, sea, none of it. Borders were not even a factor in the rejection, they accepted all the border details.

[@pugs425]

Restricting access to WATER!

[@anushkacindyshadiack1105]

What about the attacks today on international volunteers - mostly women and all unarmed - by settlers.

[@Ofelas1]

International Community = West All others knew

[@jettser17UK]

About Oct 7th yep!

[@MAHMED-s6h]

ICJ the world court made a historic judgement. Justice will prevail

[@miniroundaboutinbrum7915]

This is such a weak presentation of the facts and findings. He’s literally laughing. The whole point is that either the UK adheres to the rules of the international courts who literally exist because of the US and the UK. One way or another the UK is in a position to decide whether we are going to respect the laws we created or not. If we do not we as a nation will become increasingly isolated in the world.

[@sivakumaralagirisamy4805]

It's not about the land. Look at the name of the person who delivers the verdict. You will have the answer 😢

[@Regenmacher175]

If after this ruling you still support the ocupation you don't have the facts and international law on your side. Makes it much easier to approach the subject in political discussions going forward. It puts a lot of political pressure on Israel because other UN Member States will not necessarily ignore this ruling and this might hence lead also to economic pressure as some of those States might decide to no longer trade with Israel and to have economic relations with other countries instead. This kind of pressure will most likely yield results in the long term.

[@howmanybeansmakefive]

Just a point about what 'Advisory Opinions' are, and them being 'non-binding'. I see lots of apologists/news anchors emphasizing and leading with that, as if the ICJ ruling is just a suggestion and legal vibing. That is a mischaracterization. Like all international law, 'advisory' and 'non-binding' have specific meanings. There are two kinds of cases the ICJ can hear, 'Contentious' cases (e.g. [South Africa] v. [Israel]) and 'Advisory' cases (with the long descriptive names). Contentious cases are submitted by the states in dispute, with higher thresholds for jurisdiction and generally require consent of the parties. They are to do with circumscribed disputes that exist between those parties, and the ruling is said to be 'binding' on them because of Article 94 of the UN Charter. Art 94(1) of the UN Charter requires States "to comply with the decision of the ICJ in any case to which it is a party," and 94(2) directly allows for Security Council resolutions to ensure compliance (but keep in mind they can still be vetoed anyway). Advisory cases are submitted by the UN Security Council or General Assembly, in order to generally clarify the international law/status of broader issues to do with the law itself, but because there are technically no parties to the case, Art 94 is not engaged and so it could be said they are non-binding by default. But that does not make Advisory Opinions mere suggestions or optional. The law that comes out of ICJ Advisory Opinions is the globally authoritative precedent/interpretation of international law for all UN Member States and international legal bodies. For instance if the ICJ interprets something comes under a 'preemptory norm'/'jus cogens' (mandatory legal principles that can have no exceptions), what follows can be considered 'binding' on all states, like in this case where they found self-determination is a preemptory norm and its fulfillment cannot be subject to conditions of the occupier (i.e. Oslo). Or that facts of Gaza after 2007 amount to occupation, that is a binding interpretation which puts it under the Law of Occupation/Geneva Convention. And given the ICJ found a violation of Article 3 of the CERD Convention (i.e. apartheid), that becomes the official interpretation of Art 3 for all ratifiers of CERD, which then engages all the obligations (and any enforcement mechanisms) that flow from that legal instrument. The same goes for the Rome Statute and ICC, the ICC has to follow the ICJ's interpretation of the legal (ir)relevance of Oslo, and so totally negates the UK's wacky objection that Oslo precludes jurisdiction because 'Palestine already delegated its criminal jurisdiction to Israel' (there can be no exceptions to the preemptory norm of self-determination). It also affects all domestic regimes and their incorporation/use of international law. Keir Starmer made releasing legal advice of the UK gov about arms sales to Israel and compliance with International Law a major election issue (licensing compliance with IL is also a part of domestic UK law). It’s hard to overstate how much he has staked his whole personal/government brand on following/'respecting' International Law. Starmer/the gov has constantly dodged questions by saying “these are legal issues for a court to decide” and exploiting vague aspects of International Law. Now that the ICJ has provided authoritative clarity, Starmer has painted himself into a corner of indisputable hypocrisy. He technically could say the gov is not directly required to comply with the ruling via Art 94 of the Charter, but he cannot deny any of the ICJ interpretations themselves (e.g. that there is a system of apartheid), which are no longer up for debate, and which may give rise to binding obligations through other means. Whether that is in the bodies/treaties that a State is party to that are impacted, leverage for negotiations, areas of domestic law that incorporate international law, and any political weight/mechanisms that are tied to compliance with international law, all of which are irrelevant to Art 94 per se. The EU (itself a creature of international law) also heavily/procedurally incorporates International Law, with major implications. Ultimately all International Law is a game of battling sources, instruments, and interpretations amongst states, but the ICJ interpretation trumps them all. The particular obligations and enforcement will come down to the specific reasoning/arguments relied on in the Advisory Opinion, and the ancillary treaties/norms/bodies of law that are brought into play. But just saying a case is 'advisory' and 'non-binding' as a whole in the colloquial sense, is not a valid argument. At best it's not the full picture, at worst it's utterly misleading.

[@constantquestioning4010]

Thank you for remarkable and irrefutable detailed analysis of legal consequences for world nations. Most sincerely 🙏🏼🕯🕯🙏🏼 Paris

[@mitchverr9330]

It ruled in West Bank specifically not so much Gaza. Titles a bit off there imo. Thats the important bit which the Israeli government has finally come out and directly said is Israeli land in response. 100% requires embargo and sanctions.

[@manvbees]

So was it "occupied" when the Ottoman empire ruled the region? 🥴

[@Ntuthu-ZA]

@@manvbees LooK over there???????😂😂😂

[@mitchverr9330]

@@manvbees Yes? I mean theres a whole history of local autonomous controls and supressions under the Ottomans due to rebellions to try and control the region...

[@docca123]

@JoeHarker-vp5lqyou know that Israel belongs to the Jews but you hate them and can’t accept their right and I self determination

[@manvbees]

@JoeHarker-vp5lq so what about when Egypt controlled Gaza? Were they "occupied" then as well?

[@Mel-ui8pc]

The difference is that there will be sanctions by countries to not do business with Israel, boycott their products, and treat them like a pariah state until they pull out of the settlements.

[@nomansan]

This ex-NATO guy doesn’t know the history about what was offered to Palestinians for 2 state solution, it was a very bad deal and nobody with a right mind would accept it. He is still blaming Palestinians that tells a lot about him.

[@jettser17UK]

Last I've read the formerPalestineDemandedThree quarters of today's 🇮🇱 instead of considering the equal share offered. Think again!

[@editor2766]

@@jettser17UK they weren't offered a state. They weren't offered sovereignty.

[@shelaghcampbell7635]

If this advise is not acted upon and the situation not attended to adequately we will forever be involved in extreme injustice and that would be shameful.

[@RookieIsMe]

It is binding. Just because 2 governments say it isn't does mean it isnt

[@Lisey1]

Why do you say it's not a binding ruling? It's an international court ruling. Other countries are saying it is. It's about time that we stop protecting Israel and end our support.

[@McCraeMoto1]

What would King David, Moses, Josiah, Isaiah From the Hebrew Bible All Palestinians with a blood lineage that stretches to the present day Palestinians. The Palestinians are a mixed people. They state they are descendants of the Canaanites, ancient Hebrews. What would King David, Moses, Josiah, and. Isaiah say to Israel about their blood lines been exterminated by a None Palestinian from New York. Netanyahu who changed his name to sound Jewish.

[@Kway1991]

Exactly it’s so lame using Gods chosen people . Actually the settlers are not even religious anyway I lived in the Golan Heights.

[@kalim3238]

Thank you M.W.

[@Hiddenelement-fv2qe]

There is no Israel

[@JoePizzi-i3d]

@@Hiddenelement-fv2qe just like there’s no spoon 🥄

[@shamsulhaq1100]

LBC is complicit. UK and US are complicit. It is jok that UK(itself an occupier and colonizer) will not support Israel(another fellow occupier and colonizerr, successor to the occupation of UK before). Fellow colonizers: USA, UK and Israel.

[@joeajmi4586]

The male guest is completely missing the point of negotiating away your own land to foreigners is no real deal at all. How far back "historically land" statement. It's THEIR CAKE!!! Silly man.

[@harry130747]

Silly indeed. The Israelis came there nearly 4000 years ago.

[@PaulSinghSelhi-VFX-TUTORIALS]

United Nations Security Council Resolution 2334 was adopted on 23 December 2016. It concerns the Israeli settlements in "Palestinian territories occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem". The resolution passed in a 14-0 vote by members of the U.N. Security Council (UNSC). Four members with United Nations Security Council veto power, China, France, Russia, and the United Kingdom, voted for the resolution, but the United States abstained The resolution states that Israel's settlement activity constitutes a "flagrant violation" of international law and has "no legal validity". It demands that Israel stop such activity and fulfill its obligations as an occupying power under the Fourth Geneva Convention

[@TheENDAmac]

Wjy is this HOST cowering in his body language wjen talking to israel supporter

[@IcarianX]

@@TheENDAmac he knows what happened to Sangita Myska. And Jeremy Corbyn. And Marc Lamont Hill. And Briannha Joy Grey. And Medhi Hassan.

[@oddizzee]

The anglozio Empires tentacles reach everywhere

[@caroldavis9970]

Sactions against Isreal and no longer supping arms As Isreal has also been labeled an apartied state. Supplying arms to an apartied state is illegal.

[@jimseltzer2002]

You love making up rules, whilst neglecting basic spelling rules. Did you not go to school?

[@jannyjan90]

The ruling .. imo.. was to stop outside countries from being able to continue to support the war. Both USA and UK have laws that restrict them from being able to fund/support/arm countries knwon to be committing war crimes This tells them in no uncertain terms that that is happening in a way that cannot be fudged, ignored, denied etc It also potentially hightens the possiblity of countires/leaders of said contires to face war crime charges themselves

[@MrManny075]

This case has nothing to do with the war, it was brought up long before the Oct7

[@alanhat5252]

​@@MrManny075the invasion started in 1881, occupation from 1920

[@alanhat5252]

​@@MrManny075what has Oct 7th got to do with it?

[@mapp0v0]

People should read the ICJ ruling. The media spin is amazing. When does "must" become non binding?

[@zw9802]

​@@alanhat5252 it's hard to imagine Jews "invading" anywhere; have you looked at the map? Israel is a tiny little spot in an ocean of Muslim countries.

[@hakanozaslan9571]

The WHOLE OCCUPATION is illegal, not only in Gaza. The ICJ also called for an immediate stop of all settlement activities and to send every single settler back.

[@Jomanka100]

No, it isn't illegal as per resolution 242. The ICJ, and the UN are gaslighting the world - two sides of the same coin.

[@edelgyn2699]

@@Jomanka100 LOL Really? Well, I'm sure the UN will be in touch with you since you seem to know more than 15 of the world's top judges.

[@Noell05]

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@compositestechbb9087]

Imagine actually believing that the only safe place on earth for js is Israel...

[@MV-sh9gy]

The Palestinians were and are entitled to the cake that is outlined by International Law, not what Israel and the USA were willing to give them. Ridiculous analysis by the ex-Nato spokesperson.

[@palerider955]

Not how war works bud.

[@MV-sh9gy]

@@palerider955 No doubt, bud, you will be voting for Trump.

[@shannonm1608]

@@palerider955 This isn't a war, bud. And wars are bound by international law anyway, so it IS actually how they work.

[@machsimillian14]

He won't be voting for Trump, he's israeli. ​@MV-sh9gy

[@mirandapillsbury7885]

It wont change anything on the ground unfortunately

[@SG-lr5fw]

International law does not apply to Israel and it can be regarded as anti sematic.

[@EddyManfred]

What is the UK Going to do about it ???

[@amirraza7706]

Britain is a major player . It allowed this situation in the first place

[@DeannThomas-le2ut]

Yet Britain has decided to disagree with the ICC and ICJ!

[@BreakBeatStu]

The UK should have nothing to do with it!

[@deehazsnow3178]

oh..but they have all to do with it

[@annemoorhouse]

​@@deehazsnow3178yer because 100 years ago Britain gave some land to the Jews so now we have to be involved! Make that make sense?? Britain needs to mind it's own business, they have enough problems as is,

[@evgeniynagornyak1150]

Wrong. The uk gave a piece of land from Israel to Palestinians. Because their king was landless.

[@annemoorhouse]

@@evgeniynagornyak1150 it's still not a reason for us to get involved tho,...

[@charlierennie9192]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@annemoorhousewhen Britain is half the reason this problem exists in the first place then yes we absolutely should get involved but to rectify the problem we caused not to back Israel in their continued occupation of stolen land

[@groovykev]

Surely the more important question is do people whose land is being taken, have the legal right to defend it?

[@Sundancer09]

Yes, under international law.

[@tahminabegum1417]

Save Palestine 🇵🇸 shame on USA, ISRAEL, UK

[@mujislam3149]

Wow...we didn't know all this and more already?!?! U needed a piece of paper or sound bite to acknowledge what the eyes of the world has been seeing g and ears have been hearing for over 75yrs?!!?

[@basdfgwe]

It seems ludicrous that sangeeta was disposed of because of pressure from usrael. Lbc is also complicit in this. Shame on you lbc.

[@milarepetzky6585]

Free Palestine

[@Noell05]

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 naziol

[@bowantoia8536]

Its been going on for years

[@abdusaziz1266]

Free Palestine

[@jettser17UK]

Oh shut up!

[@JastorKeane-ln2tz]

🇵🇸 🇮🇪 🇵🇸 🇮🇪 🇵🇸 🇮🇪 🇵🇸 🇮🇪 🇵🇸 🇮🇪 🇵🇸 🇮🇪

[@foxisok]

Immediately after Israel's victory in the Six Day War in 1967, Moshe Dayan, who was then the Minister of Defense, said he was waiting for a phone call from Arab countries. No one called...

[@fuckbankers]

Lammy said he would continue arming Israel.

[@GulzarKhan-c3y]

🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

[@mannydacamara9576]

Yes, it will lead to meaningful change. Rulings like give a legal basis for supporting BDS by those wanting to, but reluctant (for whatever reason) to so so now. There are strong parallels between what happened with the fall of Apartheid in SA and what's happening now.

[@KimPossibleShockwave]

The ICJ could rule that water is wet and people would still laugh at them.

[@leenyok85]

You can smell the bias when you hear one

[@ChrisAlbertH47]

I wonder what kind of political cover western governments would give now that this ruling came out.

[@fuckbankers]

Israel has made it law that there will be no two state solution.

[@A-RJ]

ICJ: Youre breaking the law!! Israel: 🥱 America:🤐 Britain: 🤐 Media: 🤫

[@Sundancer09]

So you missed the UK Foreign Secretary's speech in Parliament on Friday.

[@MAHMED-s6h]

ICJ rules. Justice will prevail for the Palestinians.

[@constantquestioning4010]

@@Sundancer09 Action speaks louder than words. How was Starmer installed? What are his obligations in light of blackmail deadlock now? He should resign.

[@nizviz]

Why do people read "news" on things they know absolutely nothing about and fail to give both sides of the story.

[@Mary-lx3zs]

This man is why i don't or have ever listened to this channel

[@edelgyn2699]

Each host has different opinions, the hosts don't have to follow a particular PoV as dictated by the channel - it's a British radio channel so we like to have some diversity.

[@Lynn-i2w]

🇺🇸thank you ICJ. Now it is up to governments and all people to enforce the law. BDS Israel.

[@julielloyd6347]

Is occupation always under military invasion or force?

[@hemtet5500]

Not always but it always starts that way

[@Scotlandskeyboardwarrior]

Its all Israeli lands has been for thousands of years so there is no occupation