Iconica Sketch Walkthrough | Dorico 5.1

[@GwcMuso]

Dorico team - this is an excellent addition, and free as well. Terrific stuff all round. 👍👍

[@keithhaynie8768]

This is so amazing, with the trumpet voice, flute and other instruments.

[@PierreBerggren]

This is a great addition to Dorico, especially for the Elements users like myself, who only use the stock sound library. Now you can get the sound of the playing techniques like piz, which you couldn't get from the Elements sound library before. So both thumbs up from me! 👍👍

[@kencory2476]

Great update. I hope you've addressed a problem that I've found with Dorico: the staccato notation seems to come with an additional attack or accent. This is not a feature of staccato as I understand it. I've had to work around this by (for example) replacing staccato quarter notes with eighth notes separated by eighth rests.

[@dorico]

It might depend on the instrument but often there is a different patch/technique that it switches to for staccato. You can also reduce the dynamic level in the expression map for that technique if that would help.

[@rexwine]

One thing I was waiting to see, while you were demonstrating the key switch section, is if you could record from that section. Because being able to activate new switches is handy.

[@ahmetbaykara.mp3]

I noticed two issue in this video; fast playing flute legato sounds not so realistic. Harp gliss earlier sounds killed by Halion. Is there performance settings for that?

[@d.d.jacksonpoetryproject]

Am I mistaken that the technology behind Note Performer (and the latest MuseScore) is leaps and bounds ahead of this in terms of quickly and realistically reproducing the nuances of a score with almost zero effort? It just seems like for notation it might be better to embrace that approach (ideally by having something like this built-in) rather than the “Play Mode tweaking, DAW-piano roll approach. At the least, I’d be curious to know what percentage of users who value playback are opting for Note Performer versus using any of these built-in sounds.

[@wiseoldfool]

I'm so much looking forward to exploring this! It seems very responsive to velocity and mod wheel. Aftertouch wasn't mentioned, but I'm not sure it would be very useful given the mod wheel response.

[@danieldubei]

Lovely. Looking forward to trying this out. However, where are the saxophones??? Why are they always left out?

[@dorico]

most orchestral libraries don't include saxophones (and neither do many orchestras).

[@joseivanmartireyes4646]

Am not defending Steinberg but you must know that Sax are not part of a Symphonic Orchestra!

[@superblondeDotOrg]

@@joseivanmartireyes4646 which is why symphonic orchestra audiences are dying. Orchestra must Evolve, it is nearly 2024.

[@MadMusicologist]

8:56 please slowly: how do you switch between the different percussion instruments? They sound amazing, but I can't see how you do it.

[@dorico]

You probably don't normally need to play them from the keyboard like that, you can use add the percussion instruments in Dorico and it will work out which notes to use for playback. However if you want to look at the Library > Percussion Map for Iconica you can see all the instruments and associated notes.

[@dmcd6205]

I'm trying the iPad IOS version and the Iconica instruments default to staccato and the "e" icon to access the Halion page to change articualtions is NOT visible in the 5.1 IOS version. I tried a MOD wheel to see if that might cycle to another articulation but it does not. I think the IOS 5.1 version is missing some features at this point. Hopefully, I'm just missing the essential clue to access the configuration page on an iPad.

[@dorico]

The Iconica interface isn't available to view on iPad.

[@MadMusicologist]

Overall: First, I do not see how you select Iconica Sketch in Dorico. But, it sounds really great. But some remarks: I'm missing the Saxophone family. And the Contrabass Clarinet. And, I learned in the 1980ties that the double bass goes lower than the C2 which I have seen here: it's lowest note is even 1 semitone lower. I'd been hoping for that...

[@dorico]

You choose the playback template that has Iconica in the title. Maybe see the live stream for more details? kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWikq3d3gqilgNU

[@crevalation2691]

Hi Dorico team, congratulations and thanks for the great update! A question - how does the playback handle the negative delay inherent in Iconica Sketch?

[@wolfie8748]

Can we do this on diffent VST lets say kontakt cinematic studio series?

[@dorico]

Yes you can use any VST libraries

[@wolfie8748]

thank you!@@dorico

[@kupo150]

Very cool! The thing I would like to know however, is what VSTs were used for that amazing opening intro tune or was it live recorded?

[@dorico]

I used the full Iconica Sections and Players library, together with Steinberg's Eagle piano, for the opening music - glad you like it! Anthony

[@kupo150]

@@doricowow incredible! Based on what I heard from Iconica using Noteperformer, I wouldn't have guessed it was Iconica. Is there somewhere we can hear the full piece without it getting drowned out by the content of the video?

[@Estigy]

I have been looking forward to this, but now I discovered that there are no saxophones included in this library... Since I mainly write for wind band, this is a major issue for me.

[@dorico]

They are already available in the HALion library we had previously. Iconica is more symphony orchestra instruments.

[@ladyville3]

You trolling?

[@MusicOfDreamweaver]

Question: I have several orchestral VSTs and I often use them alongside other ensembles. I would like to create a template that I can insert into a project, kind of like a track preset in Cubase. Is this possible? In Cubase I have track presets for each ensemble and add what I need. Ex. Rock band + Iconica Orchestra.

[@dorico]

Yes, you can create a playback template that contains a number of libraries: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e57WlY2VaJmjiZI

[@vxla]

Marimba mallet selection is still missing; it would be nice to modulate from soft to hard mallets on marimba. Also, the vibraphone sounds are poor; is there even a way to vibrato the sound natively?

[@dorico]

You can do this if you add a library such as VDL

[@fverrieres]

Is that a note performer killer ?

[@clarenceoveur9497]

Of course not lol It's free though, and created by Orchestral Tools, so use both!

[@fverrieres]

@@clarenceoveur9497 thks ! But what is the most realistic and fastest result between NP and this one for you ?

[@danieldubei]

@@fverrieres Noteperformer still outshines this. I composed a brass quintet and the playback is still not up to the same level as Noteperformer, at least in my opinion. Plus, of course, no saxophones, which is a big no no for me.

[@joseivanmartireyes4646]

@@danieldubei Sax are not part of a Symphonic Orchestra!

[@superblondeDotOrg]

Saxophone? 🧐

[@ladyville3]

Why are so many people asking about that? I don’t see many sax players in the orchestra.

[@superblondeDotOrg]

@@ladyville3 Because saxophone is a very important instrument. Because no composer can get Orchestra pieces performed so writing for traditional Orchestra is useless. Because composers can write for Wind Band which features Saxophone and get pieces performed. Because Wind Band which always includes Saxophone is the most popular form of Orchestral performance today in the USA and continues to grow in popularity. Because many eager young performers develop their musicianship on Saxophone through grade school and high school then look for music scores from modern composers to perform. Because Orchestra is SUPPOSED to evolve to include modern instruments, not remain rigidly stuck in the 1800's, and Saxophone has proven to be a superior instrument with unique capabilities beyond older Brass or older Winds instruments. Because young/current audiences want to hear Saxophone in composed music and have wanted to hear Saxophone for the past FIFTY+ years. Because Saxophone players are forward-looking and have significant talents to offer in the composed music performance. Because Saxophones are excellent for both soloing and blending. Because it is 2024 and not 1824!

[@seheyt]

0:56 "spiccato" - proceeds to play something that's martelé at best

[@seheyt]

1:47 oh well, "legato" is some of the most aggresively articulated detaché I've heard. Better not sell the violins yets