Iconoclasts - All Agent Black Scenes & Dialogues

[@daekieisms]

I honestly just feel /bad/ for Black, really: 1. It's implied she was coerced into Transcending, which took her arms and gave her constant cluster headaches (and the arms are explicitly stated to be heavy; a human body isn't designed to carry things that solid and heavy for long periods, let alone two hundred years!). 2. She tried to kill herself multiple times, and only stopped because she realized how easy it was for them to bring her back. 3. The one person she was letting in emotionally was killed right in front of her and exploded in her arms after being backstabbed by Elro - who Grey trusted (or seemed to find unthreatening). 4. TWO HUNDRED YEARS OF CLUSTER HEADACHES. That would make anyone a monster. 5. As the most competent position of authority in the Concern (or at least it seems like it), she's constantly undermined by her peers and talked down to; Chrome in particular often treats her like a child having a tantrum. 6. She's initially /terrified/ of you when she's holding Samba captive - even if her and White weren't particularly close, he was still her partner, likely for at least decades...and he was killed by a pirate girl and the sister of the man she hates. Horribly. 7. ...And at the rocket, she's completely aware: everyone she cares about is dead, the world is in ruins, the rocket will never fulfill its' purpose, everything she's done has ended up in failure, and that THIS DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE. Nothing she does here is going to mean anything. But she's had the mission to protect this rocket for two hundred years and it is the one thing keeping her mind human - it is the ONLY thing she has left, and that forces her to keep going even after the death of her body to kill /you/. You did this to her. You destroyed everything she had left. tl;dr Black is two hundred years old, in constant pain, with nobody she can trust and everyone she works with getting in her way; and the one mission she can fulfill by the end of the game doesn't mean anything anymore, she KNOWS it doesn't mean anything anymore, but what else can she do? This is her rocket. This is her rocket. This is the only thing she has.

[@Gazing-09]

daekieisms My, this is deep. You really feel bad and you might convices everyone who read your message.

[@Gazing-09]

daekieisms By the way, thanks for the vidéo, I was curious about Black's backstory.

[@daekieisms]

I have a lot of feelings about powerful ladies with horrific backstories.

[@RaymontP]

In fact, she was even meant to go on Midway, so the whol "This is my rocket" isn't just garbage. But I seriously feel bad on the rocket fight...and she make a extremely great antagonist !

[@Gazing-09]

Indeed.

[@tadeogomez7303]

"Oh, no. Hedonism." That just sounded so sarcastic.

[@leshir2458]

18:25 look at the three chairs colors BLACK, GREY, WHITE

[@reallyannoyingguy6625]

There's a 4th chair as well. That one might be Chrome.

[@mrcocoloco7200]

Wow, very lovely.

[@TheRadicalOneNG]

I can't get over how absolutely BOSS Black looks when she swaggers up to you, hands out, after slamming you into the ground during her first fight. She knows you can't get anywhere near her, It's just perfect and really shows off the kind of character she is.

[@solomonthekaijudemon344]

She also shows off after slamming Robin. She only slowly walks close to her with her arms open like "Come on, hit me." whilst letting Controllers go after Robin.

[@feedfancier]

I really love Agent Black as the antagonist, something about her constant migraine and regarding everyone as either annoying and detestable to actually hateful. But I think it's her mannerisms that makes her so adorable, getting startled when hearing loud noises, having a tantrum when being disregarded all the while being so powerful, and when breaking loose just fighting like a runaway freight train.

[@CryingZombie666]

Yeah, at first I thought she was just a generic villain, but when her back story was revealed, I sympathized with her immediately. Then, when Robin fought her for the 1st time, I was impressed by Black's brutality; and then when Robin fought her for the 2nd, 3rd and last time, I had to admit: I admire her determination and burning rage. She went down like a warrior.

[@ExeErdna]

It makes complete sense to why Ash trained you he knew Robin was gonna fight his daughter.

[@CryingZombie666]

ExeErdna Ash? Robin’s father is named Polro.

[@therudepotatochip8633]

@Antithesis Yeah Nobel is Ash's daughter

[@Rauxlen]

You're missing three lines in the rocket fight. "Grey..." "Die..." and "DIE..." but a lot of people miss that because they beat her too quickly. She's thinking about Grey basically until the very end.

[@luckywhiskle8447]

Q ~Q I'm not crying you're just blurry.

[@moonluminary]

I finished Iconoclasts about a year ago and Black's death still gets me. I respect iconoclasts' developers for not just throwing out a good ending where everyone ends up happy and shit like that. Life isn't happy and most of the times it doesn't have a happy ending.

[@sharksuperiority9736]

Correction: *Developer One guy did literally everything in this game, Konjak is his name I believe But yeah, I totally agree

[@Phantom17685]

@@sharksuperiority9736 Yes, Joakim Sandberg, also known as Konjak, made it. He spent 9 years making this masterpiece. Sad that it doesn't get much attention, but it's still a good game. I play it over and over again till today. The story and the style just totally gets me.

[@lazyaaron1240]

It’s not really a bad ending. Just bittersweet.

[@53Spawn]

Moral of the story: *Fuck Elro* White became a favorite when he started with those random finger points. Black was an insta-favorite given her snarky attitude which seemed like a comedic compliment to Whites pointing and her dialogue was always good. Grey was the beloved undertone that I felt for instantly. The emotional push and pull that was unfairly torn away from everyone, by someone she trusted and seen as a friend/ally, resulting in Black slowly spiraling out of control. *All they wanted was some time off after working for so long, and he had to take it away from them, forcing them to work even more, in which his family and those around him had to pay the price*

[@sharksuperiority9736]

Finally someone recognizes that Elro is the worst character, period. Not only did his actions result in quite a few of the bad things that happen in this game But even when he’s being helpful, he’s an apathetic asshole about it Also, Elro autocorrected to Elmo. Just felt like I wanted to point that out

[@tfallspark5104]

This lady just can't catch a god damned break. This is just as much her story as Robin's. Hell, Madellyn is the main driving force of this story, her actions causes Robin's reaction. Speaking of Robin, anyone notice how here idle animation changes after Madellyn turns into a tree? "Black" turned Robin from a naive little girl into a stead fast woman through out the game's run.

[@vinnitsuki5797]

I most certainly did. She goes from a bouncing blonde idle animation to a stern, straight-backed thousand-yard stare. Even after all the crazy things she does, it takes mercy killing a woman at the lowest point in her life to finally break Robin's naivety. It's where she most likely finally realizes that maybe she's not the hero, just a woman caught up in an unfortunate situation.

[@tfallspark5104]

@@vinnitsuki5797 This is such a good game!

[@a.rustici1972]

I did not notice that! Thank You for pointing that out! :D!

[@CrabbChips]

she also does the tense idle animation quite a few times throughout the game at the end of cutscenes, and only goes back to her original idle if you move

[@SephRaz]

What really made the final fight difficult was your emotions overwhelming you, making you not want to kill Black.

[@vinnitsuki5797]

The music during it doesn't help. They knew what they were doing.

[@shirlenekelly8656]

If everybody else could go back in time: finally, i can correct what i did Wong Me: NO ELRO, DO NOT KILL AGENT GREY

[@quizplus00]

R.I.P. Madelyn Binoche

[@MGSenate]

What a character she was. Never have I seen such a vengeful antagonist who doesn’t just mean business, but is the definition of business, which sorta leads her to being mistreated as a threat but more as a ‘fated sister’. Not being threatening according to most of her colleagues. And all of her pain and trauma driving her so insane she ends up mutating? I totally understand why she does what she does so I shouldn’t complain about her violent actions

[@lucklesscope8367]

thank you! Agent Black is one of my favorite characters because of how tragic she turned out to be. Also so many questions like what were her given order and who convinced her to "transcend". How was she tied to agent Grey and White? She seemed pretty devastated after witnessing their deaths. Was it because they were close as a family or the fact that they could actually die? She ripped Elro's arm off and said "eye for an eye" if I recall it.

[@CryingZombie666]

I think she either saw Grey as big sister or a lover. Not sure about White. Could be younger brother.

[@feedfancier]

StygianTraveler141 more of an annoying co-workers given her constant migrate and white inability to maintain a room tone voice.

[@CryingZombie666]

Feed Fancier The little brat then xD

[@daekieisms]

The way she talks about letting someone get close to her + the way people talk TO her about grieving Grey implies that she and Grey were either romantically involved or had feelings for each other, and Elro murdering Grey right in front of her (and, you know, the whole getting covered with what was left of Grey's body after it literally exploded) was...not good for her. Pretty sure her order was 'protect the rocket'.

[@CryingZombie666]

+daekieisms You explained it, dude :D

[@MouthlessChocomint]

agent black=the best antagonist in the whole game

[@moonceIl]

Probably in all of fiction, too.

[@twistedturnip8487]

The smallest thing that gets me about black is right at the end, when royal talks about saving humanity and isn't that her objective in a round about way she doesn't respond right away, she gives him a ...... as if she's thinking, for a moment considering backing down and letting what needs to be done be done, but like most things with Royal in the game one mistake cascades into catastrophe, the moment he says its bigger than her its just another bit of condescending against her she just can't take again and there is no backing down from that point on.

[@white125]

Just a small thing that i noticed in the final battle against her: Robin normally have a "battle" sprite when you are fighting a boss, but when you are in that battle, robin have a different sprite, so it looks like robin didn't wanted to fight black after all. Shame that she didn't had a choice, though.

[@vinnitsuki5797]

When the real challenge of the boss fight isn't the difficulty, but literal heartache which makes you lose all focus.

[@NerdishGeekish]

Man... The way her dead, monstrous corpse still clings to the rocket just breaks my heart... The pacing and writing In the game has problems, but agent black is an absolute masterpiece of character creation.

[@broadbandislife]

That has to be the most tragic Final Form I've seen in a long time. Also, that detritus pit episode *definitely* rattled a lot of stuff loose.

[@AceWerewolf]

elro did have way more inner demons that anyone else in the story. he got obsessed to go against one concern that his actions made him selfdestruct, him and his own family, and also took everything black had, who has suffered most than anyone else ever. even elro tried to stop robin, telling her what to do, to not self destruct, without realizing he was still doing it and even worse than anyone else. i guess black was right, he was a devil. it had a good arc, being miseribly half dead devoid of hope or life after facing his own mistakes. he knew, he just ignored it till the end. robin had to defeat a so called god for him to simply say, aight im not telling you what to do anymore. everything regarding black could have been avoided

[@PewnyPL]

The jokes the soldiers make in the settlement are so... dirty. Which version of the game is this? I played it on steam and the jokes where NOWHERE as dirty.

[@saucetto2016]

They were censored recently on every version

[@donbototo5068]

this is te old and uncensored version of the game

[@Charion-50]

Yeesh, there's some stuff in this game that's interesting but man do I love Agent Black.

[@Zakuzelo]

Iconoclasts has some problems with writing and storytelling. This isn't one of them. Black's arc was the best part of the game, hand's down. Bravo, Konjak, for making a character that the cast hates yet the player sympathizes with so very, very well. Special kudos for sticking with it to the end, too. No out-the-ass redemption or happy ending here, no Ivory blood cure or Ash coming out to talk her down, no sir. Black had a hard, horrible life and has a hard, horrible death. it hurts and it's great.

[@MouthlessChocomint]

totally agree

[@53Spawn]

Yea, Ash has abslutely nothing to do with Black, his ties are with Nobel, which he knew you were going to fight, which is why he taught you how to deal with stealth

[@FaitalRyuu]

Yo, just curious, what were some of those problems with writing and storytelling?

[@therudepotatochip8633]

@giveagoodsong Isn't Nobel a women?

[@gotriceandshrimp]

What? Black's character is most definitely one of those problems. Just because her arc tugged on your heart strings in a couple scenes doesn't mean she's immune to being properly developed. Other than Grey you'd still in the dark about her relationships with the other characters and even with Grey you're given the bare minimum. She's tragic for tragic's sake at this point which isn't inherently bad but seeing as her arc is one of the larger ones it should of been fleshed out way more.

[@pandabanaan9208]

genuinely one of my favorite characters in all of fiction, everything is just so good about her, good design, good signature music, personality that can be entertaining in certain scenes and serious in others without feeling out of character, her boss fights are some of the more challenging ones in the main game(at least for me anyways) and well designed, the way her story goes makes you feel sympathy for her but also has it make perfect sense for why she fights against you until the very end, just a 10/10 character who will live in my head rent free until my brain decides to hyperfocus on something else and I am reminded of her only when hearing her themes in my playlist

[@Twobark3921]

Words don't change people. Wound do.

[@marshallgraham2178]

What a horrible way to go. From a tree ripping out of your back, turning purple and explode to turning into a hideous monster.

[@bowserknight]

I honestly think she should've been the final boss and not the bird guy. This fight right here is a much better conclusion to the overall story

[@SpectralSlugger]

she's fucking adorable

[@SpectralSlugger]

giveagoodsong it's not hard for me

[@gummycats]

agent black i think of you every day 😔 too inebriated to do real character analysis but goddamn she's just so good. both as a character and a villain

[@gummycats]

this entire game is so good and i'm stoked i got to exist at the same time as it

[@solomonthekaijudemon344]

I don't get why people keep saying that Black was dating or wanted to date Grey. I never found anything that even implied that and judging by what happened I'd say that Grey was a role model to Black, not someone she'd want to date. Edit: Forget that, I just noticed how Black recated to the love potion joke, originally I thought it was just Black being Black and rubbing her face in anger, but on a second view she seems to be hidding like a little blushie japanase schoolgirl.

[@CidGuerreiro1234]

She says she let Grey "get close" to her. He's a guy, she'sa girl, and with all that flirting Grey was throwing at her, it's an easy guess that there was something going on.

[@solomonthekaijudemon344]

@@CidGuerreiro1234 I still can't tell if Grey's a guy or a girl.

[@CidGuerreiro1234]

@@solomonthekaijudemon344 Huh.. Now that you mentioned it, Grey's gender is left ambiguous (someone refers to Grey as "them" at some point), but one thing I noticed is that all the boys are clearly taller than the girls, and Grey's really tall. But who knows, considering Mina and Samba are a couple, I wouldn't doubt Grey and Black were a girl couple too.

[@bgaming2297]

@@solomonthekaijudemon344 And her dialouge throughout and before her boss fight in front of the rocket, that... pretty much confirmed the feelings she had.

[@donbototo5068]

@@solomonthekaijudemon344 well, at least in the spanish translate grey is a boy

[@sunnn2162]

I'm the only one who cried when she died? :(

[@cirape3628]

i had to do that fight multiple times to win and each time it was just worse and worse to start

[@oomusd]

the whole point of the music.

[@53Spawn]

I was good until they shown her during the rockets take off. She held onto it to the very end and remembering that fact tore me up. All she could remember was that rocket, her headaches and Grey, and that coward Elro

[@sadsuitcase]

Black is one of the few vilans that made me cry Only 5 villans made me feel very bad

[@timothyroehm4307]

Once again poor Agent Black!!!

[@KN-Velvet]

Am I the only on who thought that the sound that the tweaks make when disappearing is actually Robin screaming

[@CrabbChips]

Its only for iron heart i think. I just assumed it was like a metallic scraping noise

[@ultrapokemon9984]

i feel realy bad abut black she was bad but she was sad in pain its sad and i am sure everyone koaw thet boss afer her is her as a iover beast its sad i was there was something someone counld do i wish that dearly

[@yo-rr1ul]

So... After she died his body fall into the planet? O the body just desintegrated in the rocket ?

[@eduvbs]

It was just her corpse, after the brain explods she received death peace finally

[@ghb323]

31:36 that was... ...shocking.

[@darkronvoidson8829]

So Agent Black Was a girl the whole time.. and the end she turn into a outraging monster.. that was CRAZY COOL!!!

[@residentkane]

You didn't know she was a girl?

[@kaos5633]

You can hear them laughing too

[@kaos5633]

Note.

[@Tanjou21]

14:40 AGENT BLACK DID NOTHING WRONG.

[@jamesoffutt2801]

I assume Ash's full name is: Ashton Binoche? And Chrome, he keeps calling agent black is faded sister. Are they really both related? If that's the case, General chromes full name, well his first name is unknown. So I guess I would assume, General Binoche.

[@bgaming2297]

Actually, Ash is Nobel's father, and Chrome only calls Black "fated sister" because they both have Ivory blood.

[@thebearded1438]

He also calls White: "Fated Brother"

[@ghb323]

SAVAGE

[@donbototo5068]

34:20 this without the context can be very missunderstanded

[@Hildragon]

I think its implied that she and Elro had a thing at some point. when she refers t o the Devil of settlement 17 i think she was refering to Elro. considering even in the rocket tower she is dead set on finding him.

[@31Moth13]

The way I saw it, she and Grey were really close (but not actually dating yet because Black has problems opening up to people), so when Elro killed Grey she became completely obsessed with taking revenge on Elro and everyone he loved.

[@oomusd]

she considers Elro as a maniac, "the devil who sees everyone as an enemy" and he killed the one person she was close to love.

[@oscarvaldez7804]

I know this is nonsense but what about Goku Black suddenly appears and fight against agent Black. Just imagine, Black, a terrible and strong god that wants to destroy all mortals against agent Black , the most powerfull and cruel human (for some reason I think about the spider man meme Black and Black point each other jeje)