Beauty for Beauty's Sake!

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, right? Or is beauty an objective standard? Where do our ideas of beauty even come from?
Hosts Trey and Lauren delve into this fascinating topic with Dr. Stuart Burgess and Dr. Randy Guliuzza in episode 17 of Creation.Live.
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[@lesliewilson3592]

My heart is overflowing!!! Like Lauren, i love this subject and am so happy to be able to hear your thoughts and understanding about this topic that is so rarely spoken of! So, thank You, Trey, Lauren, and Drs. Burgess and Guliuzza for offering this excellent discussion on the myriads of Beauty that our LORD Jesus Christ has created! It is so amazing and astonishing to think that not only did He create this universe of stunning beauty, but that He created us with the capacity to sense and explore and appreciate it, to enjoy it with Him, and even to participate in His beauty in so many ways, all to His Great Glory!!! Amen!!!

[@nancyriecken-jv6zy]

Thank you! God's creation is truly beautiful, and as has been rightly said, man's chief end is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever. His creation helps us do so. Wonderful!!!

[@themeek351]

Great topic! My brain is exploding with ideas and examples! The first idea is that we can also find beauty in asymmetry also! Second, beauty also seems to be a stumbling block for people who love the world and it's beauty more than following God, who is lowly and humble? It is often stated that Jesus had common attributes and wasn't considered handsome by comparison and became more disfigured leading up to the cross! Lastly, I recently learned from a scietific research paper on the relationship between birds and plants! It made the claim that the stomata that allow the leaves to breath and transpire would only open or would open better when the birds were singing! This is a beautiful relationship that can't be explained by evolution, since plants were thought to be first by billions of years!

[@Bang-C4]

The creation evolution debate has done more to strengthen and justify my trust in Bible. Thank you very much.

[@twosheds1749]

Look up the meaning of 'confirmatory bias' it seems to inflict creationists the most!!!

[@CoreyJason]

@@twosheds1749​​⁠​​⁠we get it. You hate us and God. It’s been this way since the beginning of mankind. We’re used to it. Your mean spirit only helps us to love God more. What's your motivation for being here then?

[@douglindauer7327]

I live in the mountains on 100+ acres near the Appalachian Trail. But I'm also a former mariner. As to which I love better, beach! Hearing the soothing sounds of the ocean, the sound of the gulls, beautiful sunrises or sunsets over the ocean. So I prefer those night time sounds to that of the coyotes howling! :)

[@danieldiken2548]

Praise God in the Highest! Thank you all for this ministry! Today's discussion on Beauty, which obviously is a big part of His creation, His Character and His Glory, and being a sinner passing through the world hopeful for eternal life with Him in Heaven I can appreciate His beauty, but knowing so much more beauty will be there for us in Glory! I'll do better next time with my comment, I hope. One Boomer signing off. Lol.

[@daboffey]

I could listen to Prof. Burgess a lot more. Ged bless.

[@SavedbyGraceAlone1962]

What is Ged?

[@daboffey]

@@SavedbyGraceAlone1962 Sorry, God bless. (but I guess you already realised that!!!)

[@asaphjohnson1496]

When C.S.Lewis wrote about the Creation of Narnia, Aslan SANG it into existence. All the animals sang,too.

[@lesliewilson3592]

Love this reference! It always makes me think of Job 38:6b & 7: "...who laid its [the earth's] cornerstone while the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God  shouted for joy?" I love how our Father showed Job some of the secrets of the universe even while He was questioning him :) as He answered from the whirlwind!!!

[@karenhayes4082]

i agree that beauty is a gift from God and for him to be glorified for it. lovely discussion. thank you

[@jacquelinemurray2249]

That is exactly why I love Creation and ICR. The beauty of God's natural, Earthly Creation reaches All the way to God's Front Door-Heaven!!!❤🎉 JKM

[@Savage777]

Another fascinating talk thank you very much. You all always put together a very clear and persuasive case for the hand of God in creation.

[@icrscience]

Thanks for listening!

[@lionelbradley4394]

Proverbs 20:29 KJV - The glory of young men is their strength: and the beauty of old men is the gray head. :)

[@silversilk8438]

That intro music is beautiful… for the sake of beauty! ;) But we all know we’re really here to face the music of what a faulty paradigm (evolution) wrought for science, and we’re also here to change our tune and March by the beat of the Bible.

[@NanaCarol]

I thoroughly enjoyed this episode and your special guest. Thank you! You elaborated on thoughts I've often had about God's beauty as evidenced by His creation, and I learned something new (about the part of the brain devoted to appreciating beauty). And my faith was strengthened by your discussion about evolution falling short in its explanations. A great song to accompany this discussion is You're Beautiful by Phil Wickham from 2007.

[@dagwould]

The chief evidence for theistic creation: peaches! There is no reason that summer peaches need to be **that** delicious...none at all. If they were even half as delicious, they'd still be wonderful. So why are they so good? I can only say, because our creator is exuberantly wonderful! He enjoys making beauty.

[@stevepierce6467]

Summer peaches are delicious only in the mouths of eaters, eaters who have evolved over millions of years to define as "delicious" the things they found edible and not toxic. Summer peach flesh has as its "purpose" the provision of nutrients to the seed when it drops to the ground. Our eating it and finding it delicious is a happy coincidence. And I overlook the intervention of plant breeders who have worked to bring naturally evolved Prunus varieties together to produce an even juicier and more delicious fruit. Remember, "beauty" is entirely a human-created abstraction. Peaches or mountains or sunsets or flowers are not intrinsically "beautiful."

[@afsanaakther2173]

♥♥♥

[@bontrom8]

I would like to hear this topic be explored more. Clarifying talking points for friends and bolstering good mental habits to infuse wisdom through trust in God's balanced plan for us.

[@rubiks6]

God chooses to give us rich life experience.

[@stuartofblyth]

The High Priest's garments were designed SPECIFICALLY to be beautiful (33:50): "And you shall make holy garments for Aaron your brother, for glory and for beauty". Likewise the Temple (35:32): "And he decorated the house with precious stones for beauty, and the gold was gold from Parvaim" (NKJV). A totally riveting discussion, but oh! how I wish Lauren's question had been answered - how do we know a part of the brain is specifically and only concerned with beauty! The horse-hair scrapes the catgut and sets up vibrations in the air which travel to my ear. The air gets blown down wooden or metal tubes and also sets up vibrations in the air. The hammer strikes the metal wire and sets up vibrations in the air. A man stands and waves a stick. It's all purely mechanical and explicable in terms of physics. But the question is - why do I weep?

[@chrismessier7094]

beauty reveals the Creator's beauty, fully at the cross

[@UserRandJ]

There was a full lunar eclipse recently in Australia, and day turned to night. The news showed people running around crying, exclaiming " Oh My God ". The moment something is different what so ever- people know there is a creator. They were crying in awe. J

[@EvanMoon]

“even though air is transparent God is such a brilliant designer that He can put color in air.” - such a true statement the existence of God

[@twosheds1749]

Perhaps you would like to consider the beauty of the parasitic wasp? How about rabies!! You see 'confirmatory bias' seems to inflict creationists the most!!!

[@UserRandJ]

​@@twosheds1749You have never heard of the curse? What did you think would happen once sin entered? Take a good look at the world around you now.

[@twosheds1749]

@@UserRandJ The Curse!? Are you a child that still believes in fairy tales? LMAO The curse! Made up bollocks by some priest thousands of years ago to explain anything he could not explain!

[@UserRandJ]

@twosheds1749 Yeah mock on. You'll go far.

[@UserRandJ]

@twosheds1749 Bollocks? Lamest vocabulary on the planet. Very telling. All mouth and not much else. I wonder where you're located- somewhere that is renowned for ' whinging' and ' nattering, and much much more..

[@SavedbyGraceAlone1962]

Evolution LOL🤣

[@twosheds1749]

Amazing how 'confirmatory bias' seems to inflict creationists the most!!!

[@UserRandJ]

The TV and magazines full of beautiful people would still have occured if apes had spoken vocabulary? You genuinely think we're an animal huh? Your bias is low in integrity. J

[@Enzorgullochapin]

snakes, worms, spiders: so beautiful. god is a myth.

[@UserRandJ]

Don't get emotional. I know spiders who are really friendly. J

[@lhart5632]

Keep watching and commenting. God will show you the truth as you do. ❤ 🙏

[@georgebond7777]

How strong is spider silk?

[@chrismessier7094]

biology is so beautiful in its intricate organization, right from the atomic and molecular level all the way up. Only the love of sin could prevent us from seeing the divine design

[@twosheds1749]

How about the parasitic wasp?