How the Oceans Were Made: Ancient Sea Floor Uncovered by Genesis History

Dive deeper than you ever have before and uncover the mysteries of our ocean floor! How did it form and when? Where do tectonic plates fit into the puzzle?
Host Trey and Dr. Timothy Clarey discuss this fascinating topic on episode 65 of The Creation Podcast!
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[@kellyjohns6612]

This is fast becoming my favorite podcast channel

[@akmurf7429]

We should not forget to mention that the aftermath of Catastrophic plate tectonics (the flood) exposing the ocean water to the hot mantle and heating it, was the cause of the one and only ice age. Mikael Oard and others Do a great job of explaining how the flood caused it. The Milankovitch Theory falls far short of explaining the ice age and is the prime driver for unscientific climate change alarmism. I lived in Alaska for 32 years in the interior (Fairbanks) and in the southcentral (Anchorage). When it got cold in Fairbanks, it did not snow because the moisture dropped out of the air. on the other hand, when living in anchorage, I noticed when the warm ocean moister hit the cold air, we got feet of snowfall which is what you need to make a glacier. You need warm oceans and cool short summers from volcanic activity which was another aftermath of the flood. the creation model explains what we observe, far better than the secular model. good work ICR. BTW Dr. Clarey, I really enjoyed reading your book, "Carved in Stone". Makes total sense of the mechanisms of the flood to me. kodiak is a cool place to visit, isn't it?

[@StudentDad-mc3pu]

You post is entirely imaginary - there is absolutely not one jot of evidence for a single claim you have made here.

[@newcreationinchrist1423]

Fascinating! Thanks for sharing 😊🙏

[@stevepierce6467]

We actually have verifiable evidence for several ice ages. We have no evidence at all for a world wide flood. The climate is in constant flux, but human burning of fossil fuels has exacerbated the process. No alarmism, just the simple facts

[@billstech1715]

Sometimes I sound critical, but I really appreciate the work ICR does, it is amazing. I had the opportunity to hear Henry Morris speak at a conference in Vail Colorado years ago, I will never forget it, keep up the good work, it is worth it. Godspeed!

[@critical-thought]

Fountains of the deep. If you have ever thrown a white hot piece of steel into a bucket of water, you should also know what would happen if the earths plates pulled apart rapidly. The steam generated would have been awesomely tumultuous.

[@S7AN7ON]

Yes, liquid steam! Like a crock pot that doesn’t hold and what it does to a kitchen.

[@TrevoltIV]

Exactly and that would explain why it rained for 40 days, all the steam caused major rain clouds to form all around the earth

[@dearabbie81]

When I was young I asked my parents for this information! 😊Thank you! 🙏🏻

[@jeffb1106]

This is SUCH valuable information. I know it would take time to develop, but this same information presented with graphics would be very helpful. I sometimes had trouble following it without a visual. So good though. Thank you!

[@JesusistheonetrueGod]

I watched it twice and still don't understand all that was spoken, but I enjoy the truth.

[@robertramsey653]

Some graphics would be great! Heck I had trouble understanding some things with graphics lol. But that was when I first started learning about creation science. It was the Is Genesis History documentary. I had to watch it quite a few times to finally understand everything, but it was amazing.

[@Alec_Cox]

You should do some study on the "Wilmington Shelf", extending 2-5 miles off the Southern California coast., which stretches from Huntington Beach, CA to past Los Angeles". That oil pocket was estimated in the early 1990s to have enough oil to sustain all of the USA, by itself, for 300 years. That would be shutting down the Gulf of Mexico oil, Texas oil, Alaskan oil, and any of the fracking. The fact that we are now on the Petro-dollar (the more petroleum you have under the ground acts like a bank account) the amount of oil being taken out now is just a trickle compared to the 1970s - the 2000s. We are not running out of oil, that is a fact. Also, people don't know where their plastic come from and their polyester and nylon clothing comes from... Spun oil.

[@StudentDad-mc3pu]

This is all simply not true. The estimated total reserve of the Wilmington fields was 3bn barrels before it was exploited. There are now less than 1bn barrels remaint (est) which would run the US for less then 3 months. Oil is a dwindling resource and at current usage levels the entire world has less than 46 years left.

[@Alec_Cox]

@@StudentDad-mc3pu That's just laughable, these studies are fraudulent about the fossil fuels in California, you don't know much about Long Beach, then. A lot of the studies after Jerry Brown's first terms in the 1970s (1975 - 1983)(Who lost to George Deukmejian) and his father Edmund G "Pat" Brown (1959-1967), (why he lost to Ronald Reagan) if it wasn't for the environmentalists malicious inpact in the California state government, including Gov Newsome, oil would be flowing in California. You should've known that oil and other natural resources, such as, Natural Gas and oil are made by the earth every day from deposits of dead animals and foliage. California has - "For decades (since the early 1930s to mid 1970s), California has been one of America’s top oil and gas states - 4rd largest in the USA, producing much of what its residents use to propel their vehicles, light their businesses and heat their homes. But in recent years from the late 1970s, the Golden State has become openly hostile to hydrocarbons and the companies that explore for them and pull them from the ground." - Forbes magazine October 18, 2018

[@Alec_Cox]

@@StudentDad-mc3pu That's the environmentalists against the potroleum industry talking. Not what is really under the ground. Many people falk for this environmental - using electricity for vehicles and other instead of natural gas and other petroleum products. Never understanding that electricity on the West coast and Central USA ismade from petroleum turning the turbines to make electricity, whether diesel or natural gas that is used to turn the turbines. Wind electricity is also aided by diesel engines, when there is no wind to turn the props. Oh, didn't you know? The government is all about siphoning money from the public and not allowing the public to create their own electricity; You must not know this.

[@StudentDad-mc3pu]

@@Alec_Cox I'm afraid not. The figures I've quoted are from the oil industry itself. While they are estimates of course. There really are only about 50 years of reserves that are known about. It's not the rest of the worlds fault that the USA is living in the last century when it comes to power generation. In the UK almost 50% is produced from renewables.

[@Alec_Cox]

@@StudentDad-mc3pu Lol, you do know that all, less the puny amount made by wind farms that are also generated by diesel powered generators, of the electricity in California is made from petroleum turned turbines, right? What you believe to be true from Google is not what the established industry in the oil refineries of Wilmington say... So, you can quote your government run disinformation all you'd like from Google. However, Google buries a lot of truths just as Wikipedia does.. Coincidence, yes. So, much government fraud has occurred, just look, only a few years of "rebates" and the, keep up with the Jones's, people are ditching EVs and it's busting Ford and GM of the US as automakers because of the mandated government fraud against oil production. Just last week the merger of ExxonMobil with a few other oil producers has the prices going up, due to penalties that the government's have put on the oil industry. It's really sad that you're so sucked into this lack of natural resources. This all started in California back in the early 1970s under the retarded environmentalist government of Pat Brown and his son Jerry Brown,to squeeze the oil industry.

Well I am geophycisist from the Petroleum industry from Brazil 10 years + 4 years on mining now. I am trying and I'll be keep trying to reach you guys. I keep wondering if creationists could formulate a better petroleum system modeling theory that is more profitable than the current one used in the main industry based on evolutionary geology. If that comes to exist with more predictive power that could end up pushing industry upside down. Or at least initially give some good (God given) profit to those creationists.

[@mikem1956]

Would be a blessing for sure

[@Alec_Cox]

You should do some study on the "Wilmington Shelf", extending 2-5 miles off the Southern California coast., which stretches from Huntington Beach, CA to past Los Angeles". That oil pocket was estimated in the early 1990s to have enough oil to sustain all of the USA, by itself, for 300 years. That would be shutting down the Gulf of Mexico oil, Texas oil, Alaskan oil, and any of the fracking. The fact that we are now on the Petro-dollar (the more petroleum you have under the ground acts like a bank account) the amount if oil being taken out now is just a trickle compared to the 1970s - the 2000s. We are not running out of oil, that is a fact. Also, people don't know where their plastic come from and their polyester and nylon clothing comes from... Spun oil.

[@whyaskwhybuddry]

@AndreFerreiraRio, The point of Creationism is not to make a handful of individuals more wealthy in Petro-dollars, but make majority of people rich in Spiritual connections to God. Today people are starving for deep meaning and connection. We see so much suffering and substance abuse because of this desire of the human Spirit to have meaning and purpose.

[@AzariahWolf]

I certainly don't have expertise in this area, but I am curious what is evolutionary about the current models?

[@whyaskwhybuddry]

@AzariahWolf When we're taking "Evolutionary" this or that, all we mean is that the Scientist presumes the Deep Time ("Millions/Billions") of years of Gradual, Naturalistic and Uniformitarist changes at today's rates. The Evo-Geologist assumes that all the sediments and fossils were laid down slowly and that radioactive Isotopes have always decayed at today's rates. The Evo-Biologist assumes that all life in rocks, fossils and living today "Evolved gradually" thru Selection from a single celled organism in Primordial Soup.

[@KenJackson_US]

It seems like _"catastrophic plate tectonics"_ and _"runaway subduction"_ share an awful lot in common with hydroplate theory. One significant difference is the source of the water. HT explains where it came from. But I didn't hear where Dr.Clarey says it came from. Where did the water come from?

[@skepticalfaith5201]

Water canopy. It covered the earth creating a greenhouse effect. The Flood was the collapse of the canopy. Its conversion from ice crystals to water sucked all the heat out of the environment creating the ice age and the glaciers.

[@KenJackson_US]

​@@skepticalfaith5201 Is there any actual physics that can defend the _"water canopy"_ theory? Is it totally based on the mysterious word, "firmament"? It's an awful flimsy theory. Then what were the fountains of the deep?

[@andyjones1982]

John Baumgardner is the source for understanding Catastrophic Plate Tectonics. The water simply comes from the ocean basins as it gets pushed up by the buoyant mantle rock which is rising and forming new plate in the middle of the ocean basins. The continental rock, which is normally more buoyant, sinks relative to the oceans, until the new oceanic crust cools and returns to its normal buoyancy.

[@warrenrodgers7544]

Great video prayers for you and yours

[@user-nl1qe8cn8f]

I love the fact that God is revealing so much to us right now! The archeological finds, the science, that all prove the Bible is spot on!

[@vikingskuld]

Great videeo like always. So i just wanted to take the time to say thank you. You guys always do such a grest job doing these.

[@shawnmoshos1865]

One thing you neglect to acknowledge, when in your discussion, at about the 22:00 minute mark, about the dynamics of how the earth crust moved and formed during the flood, is that the earth grew rapidly during that time and continues to grow to this day. That is how the continents separated and the ocean basins formed so that the flood waters could settle off from the land.

[@phantomcreekbuildersllczas1933]

Need some graphics to help illustrate. Also, was hard to follow speaker as his voice trailed off at the end of sentences.

[@KenJackson_US]

Yes! His dynamic range is very frustrating. I had to crank the volume way up to hear the soft parts which made the loud parts blast my ears. And closed captioning didn't catch it all.

[@lw216316]

What do the scriptures say? look at Psalm 136 kjv 136:1 O give thanks unto the Lord; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever. 6 To him that stretched out the earth above the waters: for his mercy endureth for ever. (some translation say 'laid out') I think this describes it pretty well. The land stretches out to a higher altitude (above) the waters. Back in the 1980s I once shared this with a young college student who was majoring in geology. We were seated next to each other on a public bus. He seemed surprised and interested. I hope it was a help to him in some way.

[@mmaimmortals]

Thanks for posting this. “...the earth above the waters...” Altitude... Even though that is the case, the earth (land above sea) was literally laid on top of waters. A river flowed out of Eden and a mist came up that watered the ground, for example. Today we have springs gushing water onto the land in billions, if not, trillions of gallons per day. Blue Spring, Missouri pumps out 97 million gallons per day all by itself. Thanks for the reminder.

[@pebbles9908]

I really enjoyed Walt Brown's Hydroplate theory. I don't like Christians bashing each other.

[@billstech1715]

Walt Brown"s Book of Hydroplate theory has a few very compelling parts in it that are very interesting. It doesn't mean it has everything figured out. Technically, both are simply talking about plates. The reason for movement is different but they are the continental plates moving. Remember, we are talking about flood rapid movement also! The most intriguing element that is truly astonishing and should puzzle anyone on the subject is the simple modeling of the Americas' Canada, US, Mexico, Central, and South americas' as a single unit modeled with the continental shelf, Then all Europe, Mediterranean, Africa as a single unit modeled with the continental shelf, It doesn't mean they don't have cracks " originally one plate" associated. Slide them toward the Atlantic ridge with an obvious gap and the alignment is so obvious a child can see it (Part II: Fountains of the Great Deep Figure 12). Anyone can do this with a real globe of the earth. The simple elegance leaves me astonished when compared to the standard model (Walt Brown points out (Part II: Fountains of the Great Deep Figure 10)). Standard model: All central america/mexico/gulf had to grow and materialize as upper and lower americas' rotate by 25 to 30 degrees in opposite directions. Same but opposite problem on the other side of the Atlantic, 20 to 30 degree rotations in opposite directions, AFRICA GROWING BY 35%. How can anyone ignore something so obvious and simple in comparison? What about the subduction zones? Is there other plausible explanations, especially if some of these extend all the way to the mantel. Walt Brown predicted water under the mountain ranges, these have been found, New Zealand just found water under the ocean floor, that's interesting. I am not saying his model doesn't have problems, however, many of the facts pointed out in his book have a lot of merit and as you are pointing out, the standard plate tectonics model has some serious issues to work out. This is why it is usually engineers that are talking to you about this. I really like the obvious facts about the flood waters. I don't think there is any reason to assume the larger plates breaking up wouldn't produce progressive flooding across the continents. Yes I am an engineer.

[@StudentDad-mc3pu]

Why would a flood cause rapid plate movement? There is no evidence for this. The oceanic plates are under miles of water but move at inches per year. We have known that the Americas and Europe were once one continent - I'm not sure what you point was here. They have been drifting apart at the rate of about 3cm per year. That makes the time scale about 150-200 million years.

[@S7AN7ON]

@@StudentDad-mc3pu I believe it has to do with how the flood became a flood. Water held under pressure at 900° F or so is superhot water, or liquid steam. There is a giant 40k mile scar across the ocean floor showing where the fountains of the deep knifed through or cleaved as scripture says. After being broken apart the continents took 10 months to move to where they settled. Hope this helps a little

[@StudentDad-mc3pu]

@@S7AN7ON The features you mentioned on the sea bed are caused by tectonic movement. The flood did not cause these. There are sites on the sea bed where superheated water is rejected through vents.

[@S7AN7ON]

@@StudentDad-mc3pu yes, some of it continues to leak out to this day. Consider the superhot water suddenly hitting atmospheric pressure. Then, how this 40K mile crack on the ocean floor tracks in symmetry to the continental shelf ridges and how there are 2 continental shelves everywhere. The format here is limited on how I’m able to share about this. But anyways, thanks for also sharing.

[@StudentDad-mc3pu]

@@S7AN7ON I'm sorry, Hydroplate theory is pseudoscience on a grand scale. There is not and never has been a layer of water between the mantle and the Earth's crust and the idea is nonsense. The energy involved in causing a global flood as described in the Bible and the plate movements would require so much energy the seas would have boiled away into space. It's complete nonsense.

[@anderssarenpa4641]

What about the ‘growing earth theory?’ I’d be curious to hear your thoughts on this.

[@beestoe993]

He did address that nonsense. It's not growing The seafloor spreads in one place and subducts in another, like a conveyor belt

[@throckmortensnivel2850]

Dr. Clary, commenting on continental drift: "...during the flood year we believe they moved very quick...several yards per second..." I'm not sure what "several" means but for the sake of argument let us say "several" is 5. So, movement of 5 yards per second. There are 60 seconds in a minute, and 60 minutes in an hour, 3600 seconds in an hour. At 5 yards per second, that would be 5 X 3600 = 18,000 yards, or just over 10 miles per hour, or 16 km per hour. The biblical flood lasted some 371 days, which is 371 X 24 = 8904 hours. At ten miles per hour, that means the contintents drifted 89,040 miles during the flood. The circumference of the world is about 25,000 miles, which means the continents drifted around the world roughly 3.5 times during the flood.

[@traceyhuman8939]

Love this! Would have welcomed pictures/images to understand more clearly.

[@guylelanglois6642]

Excellent podcast, I would sure like one of the geologists to explain stalactites and stalagmites to me. On every cave tour I've been on they of course use the millions of years but I've seen four inch stalagmites on the concrete steps on the walk down into one. Thanks

[@mmaimmortals]

I'm not a geologist, but stalactites and stalagmites are fairly straightforward. The growth rate depends on the mineral saturation in the water and the amount of water seeping into the cave. So you can get a really broad range of growth rates and mineral types that create the stalactites & stalagmites. As with most all things, the water flow rate and mineral saturation tend to start out high and then decline over time. If you see really large stalactites with really slow growth, you are probably seeing it after the initial growth has slowed way down due to a very low seepage rate and a very low mineral content compared to when it first started.

[@guylelanglois6642]

@@mmaimmortals have you seen the ones on the titanic? It seems the growth rate would have been accelerated with the caves submerged

[@mmaimmortals]

@@guylelanglois6642 No, but that is a distinct possibility.

[@user-gk6ge2jq9q]

Great video!

[@paradigmbuster]

If you have a model of the earth consisting of a bowling ball consisting of basalt. Then if you place leather sheets cut to the shape of the continents that would be granite you complete it. It was noticed that if you place these sheets on a smaller diameter ball the sheets cover the entire surface and fit together like a puzzle in all directions. In Gen. 1 the earth was smooth and covered with water. Then the earth was transformed to an earth with sea and continents with dry land appearing in three days. I propose that the basaltic globe underneath miraculously increased in diameter. In this case, the plate tectonics would have been taken care of at this time instead of W. Brown's theory. The mountains would be formed by flash cooling of the granite slabs, wrinkling them instead of collisions of plates. The basalt would curve downward at the continental interface as a mattress would curve downward as it interfaces with a downward pressing hand.

[@mstins3925]

This was excellent!

[@newcreationinchrist1423]

So the plates moving now (at a slower pace) is just the aftermath of the global flood. It would have moved much faster then. This is so interesting. Thanks ICR 😊🙏✝️

[@tinawelch3005]

we are still learning. that is the exciting part.

[@katrinaarend5608]

the random science question on this one was a little confusing both thoughts seem the same maybe if you used pictures or drawings we could see what the differences are. Can you do a little bit more on this question.

[@mmaimmortals]

Sorry, no graphics. But the two ideas are very different. What they share in common is that the continents are moved. HPT gets its start by granite slabs covering water suddenly breaking open in the sea floor. CPT has no granite slabs or water below them in the ocean floor. it gets its start by hot spots allowing cold basalt ocean floor to start sinking and then “running away” due to a feed back loop in the heat produced.

[@icrscience]

Sorry for the delay on this! Here's Dr. Clarey's response. It’s really a difference in mechanism for the Flood. Hydroplate claims there was a 60 mile or more thick granite shell all over the earth with a mile thick water layer below. This burst along cracks and the water shot out from below. Somehow 70% of the granite turned to basaltic ocean crust only 5 miles thick or so (this is never explained). Whereas, Catastrophic Plate Tectonics says the plates formed as the fountains burst and then began to move rapidly by runaway subduction. This only occurred during the Flood year, and it consumed the original ocean crust and creating a new one. The hot crust pushed the ocean water up from below onto the land in a progressive Flood. This is backed by my research showing a progressive Flood of the continents and by seismic data shot over subduction zones and ocean trenches. The seismic shows subduction is real and there are cold slabs deep in the mantle that confirms the rapid subduction during the Flood year. Hydroplate cannot explain these findings at all. I will attach a link to my paper below. Dr. Clarey creation.com/catastrophic-plate-tectonics

[@jasonstclair1329]

Would be cool to see this theory animated along with the people surrounding the ark

[@donnagonzalez6640]

Hi Trey! I enjoyed listening to this video, especially when science and geology back up the biblical account of the flood. Maybe you can pose this question to Dr. Clarey - the scripture talking about the table of nations (that is just after the Flood account) in Genesis 10:25 says: " Two sons were born to Eber: One was named Peleg, because in his time the earth was divided; his brother was named Joktan." Whenever I have read that verse I have always thought of the continents residual movement just after the Flood . Which to me makes sense if today as you say the continents are still moving albeit very slowly. Is there any geological or written archeological account (outside of the Bible) of when Peleg may have lived?

[@alantasman8273]

Ther reference to Peleg...the earth was divided... refers to the dispersion of language people groups at the time of the Tower of Babel ...it is not referring to plate tectonics or the movement of land masses.

[@seaknightvirchow8131]

I believe in the rapid runaway subduction. My question is whether the ice cores show an increase in volcanic ash around 4500 years ago?

[@viviennebell3901]

Very sensible.

[@IAMhassentyou]

Amen 🙏 thank you

[@newcreationinchrist1423]

05:30 fascinating

[@user-rt8hh8xg9m]

GlobSed data indicates sediments from the continents "piled deep" around the perimeter of the continents. It seems to show a large amount on the east coast of north america and somewhat less on the west coast. I'm assuming the GlobSed data (a map view is what I'm looking at) is accurate. Am I seeing that right? Are there less sediments on the west? Also, the entire perimeter of Antarctica shows consistent amounts of thick shelf sediments. If that is accurate, and those sediments were placed after day 150, then is it safe to assume that Antarctica had stopped moving (plate movement) at day 150? Thanks for what you guys are doing!

[@Torby4096]

When I was in school in the 1960s, they said of plate tectonics, It looks like the continents might have fit together once, but we know they did not.

[@mmaimmortals]

i’m curious why you think they did not.

[@Torby4096]

@@mmaimmortals I don't think they did nor. The evidence that they do is overwhelming.

[@mmaimmortals]

what evidence has been presented that don’t think is compelling?

[@Torby4096]

@mmaimmortals I pointed out that they taught us that plate tectonics was not so. It clearly is, and the evidence is overwhwlming.

[@mmaimmortals]

sorry. i’m not following your thoughts. in the OP you said the continents did not fit together at one time. now you’re saying there is overwhelming evidence of plate tectonics. you can have both so I am not sure what you are arguing for or against.

[@waynebaker542]

Actually Dr Clearly was wrong in saying Plate TEctonics was an Evolutionary idea. The first proposal of Pangea and Plate TEctonics was by a person who developed the idea from Genesis one. Published in France in 1850 or there abouts.

[@markytemp]

The Bible states that the mountains were raised up and the velleys drawn low. That is a statement of plate tectonics.

[@kevinhank17]

Not really. Me saying trees raise up and roots go deep doesn't describe how trees grow. It's an observation of reality. So basically whoever wrote that could see.

[@charlenepontoriero-xl6ws]

Can the cold subdued slabs of old ocean crust influence the core enough to contribute to flipping of our piles?

[@charlenepontoriero-xl6ws]

Contribute to flipping of our poles?

[@mmaimmortals]

That's an interesting question. Although I'm no expert by a long shot, I seriously doubt "subducted" slabs could remotely do such a thing. If there were true polar reversals (demonstrated globally, not just in local samples), it would probably be due to a large % of the crust surface area moving across the mantle in a short period of time.

[@beestoe993]

Don't know, but it can create mantle flow which has enormous potential catastrophic implications

[@logoschristianacademy6044]

Great interview, Tim! The initial cracking of the fountains of the deep were likely thermal expansion cracks as the interior of the Earth heated due to the accelerated radioactive decay.

[@freemind..]

*It's interesting to see statements regarding the supposed heat-producing radioactive isotopes being entirely concentrated in the crust rather than the lower mantle. This obviously means that the world could never have been a molten ball because they would have sunk. Equally interesting is the observation that the crust isn't melting despite the concentration of those isotopes... in fact, they don't seem to be generating any significant heat at all.*

[@davoforrest5]

Alfred Wegener the first to propose Pangea was the son of a pastor for whatever that is worth❤

[@bewernia]

Up until the Great Flood was there only one continent? To me it would explain the continents seemingly fit (roughly) together. The catastrophic plate movement and its speed would explain so much of what we see now.

[@beestoe993]

Nobody knows what the old world looked like. But there is compelling evidence for a Pangaea.

[@96cobrakid]

I believe so

[@TheSaintFrenzy]

How do we explain the KT boundary in light of a progressive flood which laid down the layers in a years time? Is the KT boundary real? Also....can ICR do some shows on history? (Biblical timeline in light of secular history, Egyptian chronology, Table of nations historicity etc) Thanks.

[@logoschristianacademy6044]

If the primary mechanism for driving the catastrophic plate tectonics is mantle convection driven by heat from accelerated radioactive decay, then you can have Wilson Supercontinent cycles and Rhodinia etc. and multiple recyclings of ocean crust during the Flood.

[@paulwood6636]

If I understand correctly, CPT was a one time event driven by the potential energy of the subduction plates

[@logoschristianacademy6044]

@@paulwood6636 Yes, that's Baumgardner's proposed energy source. My proposed energy source is heat from accelerated radioactive decay, which Baumgardner ignores and doesn't know what to do with. Now, at one point, when the mantle heats up much more than the pre-Flood ocean crust, at that point my proposal and Baumgardner's look pretty similar in some ways.

[@mmaimmortals]

@@logoschristianacademy6044 Unfortunately neither accelerated nuclear decay nor potential energy of the plates are viable causes for anything to do with the Flood. Accelerated decay doesn't work because most of the radio active material is in the crust itself so heating it would make it lighter and softer and much less likely to "subduct". We have uranium and lead mines today with high concentrations of radioactive material and they show no signs of every having been that hot. The helium that was found in zircons was found in granite which has only ever had one heat cycle, otherwise you would have to come up with a different source material that originally made the basement rock for the continents. Potential energy doesn't work either because the mantle is solid rock under normal conditions. The density difference is very low between basalt and mantle material. You have to have heat applied only to the mantle - and right at the contact boundary between it and the basaltic crust - in order to have a liquid that the basalt could sink into. But where did the heat come from?? As explained above, it wasn't accelerated nuclear decay. If you've read this far, then perhaps you would be interested in hearing a more viable explanation for the rapid plate movement? BTW, I am a YEC through and through, but realistically neither of those options are good explanations.

[@mmaimmortals]

@@logoschristianacademy6044 Neither accelerated nuclear decay nor potential energy are viable models. Both have serious problems and only superficial evidence that likely has a better explanation.

[@paulwood6636]

I see what you're saying. Rather than unstable oceanic crust, the root cause of CPT is weak mantle due to nuclear decay.

[@LeonSemiPro]

Always entertaining. Cannot wait for the next crackpot episode.

[@UserRandJ]

Can't be as exciting as the crud you write- it's always intriguing to see such inadequate emotional regulation, with reactivity and melodrama that is rarely seen- though it's the only tool you trolls have. Again- why might you be subscribed then? For the technical challenge? No you don't discuss the technical evidence, so it has to be to receive much needed affection from fellow gamer trolls- you all sit there waiting for a chance to score a dopamine hit- a chance to select from the emojis menu like a nanna playing candy crush. Then you go back to your gaming tab and blow another day while your mom cooks you another dinner that you don't eat- did you even shower today ? Bug. Ha ha. God Bless Lee

[@S7AN7ON]

How very semi-pro of you to say.

[@robertramsey653]

I wonder what the water to land ratio was before the flood? And how deep the ocean(s) was?

[@alantasman8273]

Massive amounts of water still exist below the continents. These waters represent more water than on the Earth's surface. The fountains of the deep represents these watera along with magma breaching the mantle and transforming the Earth's surface. Massive earthquake activity also occurred at the time of the flood....as rocks layers moved up and down over 30 ft in some areas as shown in the geological record.

[@robertramsey653]

@@alantasman8273 the reason I said what I said, is because of how much coal and oil there is. It would take a lot of land to be habitable and full of animals and trees and plants to get the large amounts of these fossil fuels we have. So I was just curious if there was more land before the flood, or relatively the same with a different environment to make all of it habitable.

[@alantasman8273]

@@robertramsey653 The Noahic flood uprooted a mega continent of biomass...that got buried creating the right conditions for coal, oil and gas to be produced in massive quantities around the globe. Take a look at what happened when Mt St Helen exploded in 1980...the biomass deposited in spirit lake by the displaced timber is massive.

[@S7AN7ON]

60/40 water to land, oceans were 1 mile in depth, preflood, there were also some islands as well which is interesting

[@waynebaker542]

Wy do you not mention that the SuperContinent and Plate techtonics was first put forward by a person who reqasoned if the Waters were put in one place that would mean the land was in one place. I believe he was Anthony Snider. About 1840.

[@philipschrock5192]

Where did you say the water came from?

[@rynso]

38:31

[@LittleSeasonist]

Those liberal floods LOL Great video Blessings fam!

[@whyaskwhybuddry]

@Institute For Creation Research, how does the CPT Model address 19 pound "Big Bertha" that Apollo 14 Astronaut Alan Shepherd brought back from the Moon in 1971? When they tested it, they found it came from Earth Magma chamber. The Hydroplate Theory would predict this because the mere pressure of miles of crust pushing down on subterranean water chambers would cause this water to come up at Escape Velocity, carrying magma with it.

[@mmaimmortals]

While I don’t dismiss the idea altogether, there does not appear to be enough energy even at 60 miles deep to do this. The escape velocity is @ 1100 km/s and needs about 1000 times more energy than a 60 mile depth could produce alone. But hydro plate theory, the way described in the video, has some major problems besides that. But CPT (edit), the way described in the video, also has major problems. i think parts of both are right and parts of both are wrong. but there is a much better explanation than either of those. in all cases, if volcanism could send rocks to the moon, all of the models can account for that since they all have volcanism.

[@whyaskwhybuddry]

@mmaimmortals Well the Tonga Caldera eruption in Jan 2022 sent debris "Halfway" into Space. I'm with you though that I think we have to combine HPT with CPT to get fuller explanation. I mean when the Soviets drilled the deepest hole in the world (Sibera) they were shocked to find salt water 5 or 6 miles down along with tiny marine fossils.

[@mmaimmortals]

i meant to say CPT above as in “also has major problems”. But you have a good point about marine fossils and salt water at depth. That is the part of HPT that is good: the continents slid on hydro plates. There was rock on rock friction as well though. CPT is wrong because neither accelerated nuclear decay nor sinking cold slabs work. He said the math has never been proven wrong, but it is wrong. if for no other reason than it is incomplete at best. HPT is wrong because there was no tidal pumping that caused the collapse and there was no granite covering the ocean floor. Tidal pumping could have had a significant purpose at Creation, but destroying the continents isn’t it. It may have been a way to cause the mist to come up and water the ground. but then, there wouldn’t be a pressure build up if the water had a way to escape. The only thing that makes sense is a gravitational collapse of the continents because of the fountains of the great deep breaking up. As for sending debris into space, I would look for methane explosions or something similar to find the energy. Otherwise, I would say a key part of the Flood was meteor bombardment from the asteroid belts and that those were the same material as the creation week and that’s why they are chemically identical sometimes.

[@whyaskwhybuddry]

@mmaimmortals Donnie Budadinsky from Standing For Truth Channel had a presentation by his friend Matt, who went thru why we don't need Accelerated Decay because of experiments at the Proton 21 Lab in Ukraine. Their testing with Z-Pinch created all known Isotopes , and a few unknown ones. Their results had the same Mother-daughter ratios as found in nature. Some have claimed a "Heat Problem" but this experiment had demonstrated it not to exist, as whatever heat which was generated quickly dissipated. Putin's Army has been doing all the "Melting" of Ukraine since their invasion.

[@whyaskwhybuddry]

@@mmaimmortals asteroid impacts in like the Gulf of Mexico cannot account for deep ocean creatures and land animals buried in the mass grave that is the Morrison Formation 2000 miles away. At best, there would be a tsunami 250 miles inland. We also see evidence of the Global Flood at the Dry Falls Cataract in Washington state.

[@jonathanbutson1385]

Wow, that really helped put some of the pieces of "how did God make the flood happen?" into place. Thanks for an awesome video. In the 1990's i was at University doing an ocean science degree, at the same time Jesus was re-establishing my relationship with him and giving me the faith, so i knew he had made the universe in 6 days. This same Jesus has given me an amazing life in the meanwhile. I would encourage you to check him out, he is the life the truth and the way.

[@waynebaker542]

The concept of Pangea was first proposed in a published work was published in France in 1859 with the idea coming from God put all the water in one place and then the land. He thought the land must have been put in one place. Plate TEctonics or something which developed into plate tectonics is a logical out come of this idea, He thought the Supercontinebt,m pangea, broke up during the year of the flood. It was published in France because he could not get anyone to publish it other than the one French publisher.

[@davidpostma9862]

Wonderful comparison of recent science discoveries with the word of God which is accurate with reality. Wonderful Bible. At the same time keep in mind that Salvation is only and exclusively based on our Heavenly Father having given all his people to Christ. It would never work if it were dependent on human fallen and uninterested will. He overwhelms us by his grace sweetly and efficaciously but not everyone. A divine God - not subject to nor living in the bounds of time. He is the creator of time. Time being his servant and a place created for creation. There’s a deadly bondage of human will and it never chases after the Trinity. Also there is no temporary human goodness nor temporary grace of God. God’s will according to scripture only accomplishes all his holy and eternal council. Thankfully. Lord bless you all in your work - a holy calling for sure. Dave

[@akkafietje137]

It seems the interviewer understand, but I don't

[@flackfizer6474]

So... Theoretically then, Atlantis could have been pulled down into one of these subduction trenches?

[@chyrltaylor7287]

Take a look at the Eye of the Sahara, also known as the Richat structure. Bright Insight has some compelling videos.

[@tonynegri2141]

How was the salt element created?

[@LeonSemiPro]

Have you Googled it?

[@freemind..]

@tonynegri2141 - _"How was the salt element created?"_ *Great question! Salt is a byproduct of microbial waste. That's why it is exclusive to Earth, and it's how your body can generate its own salt when necessary. Biosynthesis.*

[@LeonSemiPro]

@freemind.. Great answer, except if you Google it, it's naturally formed from weathered rock.

[@freemind..]

​@@LeonSemiPro - _"...if you Google it, it's naturally formed from weathered rock."_ *Haha, salt is not created from weathered rock. That is referring to salt being leached out of rocks and carried to the ocean. Ask Google how it got INTO the rocks in the first place.*

[@LeonSemiPro]

@@freemind.. Why are you laughing? You are wrong.

[@warrenrodgers7544]

We all must do our part and spread the good news be bold be brave be humble don't let someone go to the lake of fire in eternal damnation because you were afraid to share the love of our precious lord and savior Jesus the Christ from Nazareth

[@mikebosler7516]

👍🙏❤️🦕

[@paratrond]

Hmm

[@kathleennorton2228]

Why is Walt's theory and your theory mutually exclusive?

[@mmaimmortals]

from what I heard in the video, HPT has granite covering the ocean floor, but that volume of granite does not appear to exist. CPT and HPT have some major failings. But parts of each also appear to be valid. There is another model that works better than either of them.

[@paulwood6636]

I think because the earth's structure is fundamentally different in each theory.

[@janehelbert7551]

The theory that's being explained may be the reason no human skeletons have been found?

[@margomoore4527]

The pre-flood humans were mostly washed out to sea, and eaten by sea creatures, and then the water dissolved anything left, including, of course, old graves, so pre-flood remains are scanty, and if anyone found them, who knows how those remains would be interpreted by the archeologists and paleontologists?

[@PyroTurtleGaming]

A slow progressive flood makes way more sense to me given Gods character. If it was an instantaneous catastrophic flood the people would have no chance to repent of their ways before they're washed away. It wouldn't have saved their lives, but it may have saved some of their souls.

[@user-wg8qu2ti7i]

God re-arrainged the whole world during Noah's flood!

[@SavedbyGraceAlone1962]

Evolution. Literally impossible.

[@SavedbyGraceAlone1962]

@@travisbicklepopsicle The foundation of modern biology (as you put it) was created by "scientists" in corrupt establishment-owned woke secular atheist DEI-driven "universities", like Harvard for example. Nothing can be trusted coming out of such institutions.

[@SavedbyGraceAlone1962]

@@philhart4849 Still swallowing that woke secular establishment-owned corrupt leftist "university" propaganda? Those same people are telling you to believe men get pregnant. You probably swallowed that too, but wait, I forgot, you have no beliefs.😂😂

[@mikedearing6352]

Why is there an olive oil infomercial beginning with naked folks in the bedroom ? I'm just curious if it's KZbin behaving mischievous based on this being a pro Christian podcast and they are mocking everyone who's seriously interested in your video. It's not the first time I've noticed this, not blamecasting at this point anyway, just fishing for ideas

[@StudentDad-mc3pu]

You rub it all over . . . whoops, did I type that?

[@vivianparslow7844]

The earth was not created 6000 years ago. I was restored 6000 years ago. Genesis 1.1 states that the earth had become formless and void. Genesis 1.2 is the account of the restoration of that which had already been created. We are not told when the pre-Adamite heavens and earth were created and inhabited by beings. There were Kings and cities and civilisations with which Lucifer had traded and cheated and brought about total destruction.

[@S_CampbellFOC]

No

[@lynnasche5147]

Another total creationist fantasy !

[@LuciferAlmighty]

There's no history in genesis

[@alantasman8273]

Lucifer was always the father of all lies.

[@LuciferAlmighty]

@@alantasman8273 Jesus is the father of lies?

[@alantasman8273]

@@LuciferAlmighty Jesus has said that those who deny me before man, I will deny before the Father. You can laugh at the torment of hell until you're living it daily for eternity.

[@LuciferAlmighty]

@alantasman8273 hell can't exist, I'm cool

[@alantasman8273]

@@LuciferAlmighty Hell was made for Lucifer and his angels...repent and accept Jesus the Christ as your savior while you still have time.

[@jimporter7209]

The problem I have with you guys is that you can't read. The Bible says that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The beginning is undated. Granted, Adam's creation is dated at roughly 6000 years plus 6 days, but the creation of the planet itself is undated. Day one is the separation of light, etc. But the earth was already in existence. You bring such disgrace to Christianity by insisting on a 6000 year old planet when the Bible clearly doesn't date the creation moment as 6 six days before Adam. Learn how to read!

[@alantasman8273]

Exodus 20: 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. That seventh day was also not millions or billions of years. So the Heaven and Earth were made during the Six day creation week...seems pretty clear to me.

[@StudentDad-mc3pu]

But it also gets the ORDER of creation wrong

[@mmaimmortals]

Catastrophic - yes. Plate - yes. Tectonics - yes. CPT as described by JB & others - no. Hydro - yes. Plate -yes. HPT as described by WB & others - no. Neither of those models are viable, and both have glaring issues. There is a better explanation.

[@paulwood6636]

Who is JB

[@mmaimmortals]

Hi, Paul. JB is John Baumgardner. I think his basic premise is cold slabs sinking into hot mantle. That may be true, but it can’t be the cause of pulling or pushing the continents. For that reason, runaway subduction can’t be the cause for moving the continents. What they are calling runaway subduction is actually the continent pushing plates into the mantle, not plates moving the continents. Some basic trig vectors, the irregularity of the ocean floor, and the utter lack of tensile strength in basalt snows why that is the case. What I am suggesting is that gravitational collapse of the continents happened first. They began sliding as if on a ramp. Their kinetic energy began moving plates and breaking them at weak spots. The friction build up is the cause of the heat. And finally, what they are calling subduction is simply a continent pushing on them. The continents eventually crash at plate boundaries and also build up debris under the leading edge both of which contribute to mountain building.

[@freemind..]

@@mmaimmortals - _"runaway subduction can’t be the cause for moving the continents."_ *Agreed. Why do so many Creationists believe that the super-hot interior of the Earth is a proven fact? It is not. Since the world was formed in water, the interior must be entirely different from the cutout/cross-section we are shown in school... and there is no need for it to be as hot as the surface of the Sun. Theories (magnetic field) have been built up around that unproven idea, and it has led us into a virtual Dark Age of science where reality is different from what is taught. I believe this is purposeful, as the goal of science seems to have shifted from finding Truth, to finding THEIR Truth - and always with the caveat that any and all explanations must in no way support scriptural narratives.*

[@freemind..]

@@mmaimmortals - _"runaway subduction can’t be the cause for moving the continents."_ *Agreed. Why do so many Creationists believe that the idea of a super-hot interior of the Earth is a proven fact? It is not. Since the world was formed in water, the interior must be entirely different from the cutout/cross-section we are shown in school... and there is no need for it to be as hot as the surface of the Sun.*

[@freemind..]

@@mmaimmortals - *Theories (magnetic field) have been built up around that unproven idea, and it has led us into a virtual Dark Age of science where reality is different from what is taught. I believe this is purposeful, as the goal of science seems to have shifted from finding Truth, to finding THEIR Truth - and always with the caveat that any and all explanations must in no way support scriptural narratives.*

[@Version135]

Please nobody hitch yourself to any theory. Only Jesus! This stuff is fun but it isn't going to save your soul.

[@SuperPatrick777]

Trust in Christ and his gospel is the only thing that will save you eternally , but if evolutionism is is true in anyway shape or form then why would anyone in their right minds believe that ???

[@Version135]

@@SuperPatrick777 of course it's not true but this video refers to multiple ways it could be untrue. Any theory from man can be disproven and if someone is banking on such a theory they are building their house on the sand instead of the Rock.

[@thomdavis4142]

Just deny science or cherry pick bits to confirm your 'belief'. Such a scam.

[@sirsaint88]

You've explained Darwinism in a nutshell.