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A bunch of new information, content, footage, and more has been discovered from id Software's cancelled DOOM 4 project, including a full explanation of the games story. Absolutely crazy stuff.
Valve News Network (VNN) is now Tyler McVicker, the Passionate Gamer.
#DOOM4 #DOOM #DOOM2016

[@SgtP4in]

I don't care if it was bad, it probably was, but the canceled doom 4 still fascinates me, and I love hearing about it

[@reptarien]

I think the interest I have for this is a lot like the interest in Half Life 2 Beta. Objectively not very good, but interesting nonetheless

[@Bannanawaffles2]

See, this is a really important distinction. People ask "Why do you care about beta X or cut content from Y? It was cut for a reason, it was bad, etc~", and I feel they're entirely missing the point. It's that this sort of stuff is just interesting. Iteration and the process of design is just interesting. Researching and learning more about the process people went through to deliver a product is just interesting. It doesn't matter if the content they cut was bad or if the game they were making would've been bad. It also just itches the autism sector of my brain real good too tho.

[@Dewm_]

@@Bannanawaffles2 This 100% Also it's really interesting seeing what could have been. Often playing these feels like you're playing a game from an alternate dimension. Playing something that feels so familiar but is fundamentally different is an experience I can't seem to get enough of.

[@Cheesepuff8]

Ye I wish companies would release their failed projects as low priced experiences, and the assets, animations and cinematics

[@clawzx1195]

Any cancelled project is bound to be interesting

[@thejonnyism6868]

Honestly, I would love to get a game like this. With the polish and the pesronality Doom Eternal had, I could see this being the spiritual sequal to Doom 3. This could have been the ODST of the Doom franchise.

[@emilianozamora399]

Wasn't the odst of the doom franchise already doom 3

[@thejonnyism6868]

@emiliano zamora Kind of, it was a way to flex the next step in software development but mostly in a new engine. They wanted to lean more on horror than fast action with the atmosphere and new lighting technology. It divided fans for a while. Nowadays, most people see it as an alright game that did something different with the franchise, but it hasn't really gone in that direction since the new games. This wasn't really a spin-off game it was what the franchise was gonna be. At least, that's how I see it

[@zenithquasar9623]

And art style, then sure.

[@Scroolewse]

You can't have a spiritual successor to Doom 3 with the personality of Eternal. It's one or the other.

[@thejonnyism6868]

To an extent, I could agree. Doom Eternal goes hard on the metal album cover energy and isn't afraid of going ridiculous in the storytelling or referencing stuff like the original game or an inside joke amongst the community. But I still think in a way it could be possible. Doom 3 goes way into the action by the halfway point, and while Hell is still daunting, the action side of the game is with us full force. Again, not entirely but not impossible. Doom 64 is super atmospheric for me but it's still a Doom game at the end of the day.

[@jeremieh5009]

All I’m gonna say is that I am glad we got what we got on release day

[@humanharddrive1]

same

[@CoolSs]

Agreed

[@gamerman7276]

Doom Eternal would be cool if it was made by gamers and not Microsoft executives.

[@olavolima2330]

@@gamerman7276 it’s good tf you mean? And the game was made before the microsoft acquisitions

[@knowtheplan472]

Some of the body horror stuff with the walls and monsters looked pretty cool, wish they kept that

[@lugbzurg8987]

Reminds me of the guardian necromorphs from Dead Space. (The guys fused to the walls.)

[@TylerMcVicker1]

Here is all the DOOM 4 footage I could find, so far: kzbin.info/www/bejne/boLYcoibg5mlnc0

[@jad_c]

ok and?

[@lilthreadd]

@@jad_c ok and?

[@_TheAntagonist_]

I adore Doom 3, and am one of the five people on earth that really liked RAGE, so as glad as I am that we got the games we did, I really wish I could have seen how this panned out. Obvious modern military shooter inspiration, but it also seemed to preserve more of the horror elements of Doom, which is something I really feel has been lost at this point.

[@spikeslab5922]

Would be cool if they considered releasing that old stuff as like a concept demonstration just to show creative ideas and bring that different kind of game-play. Maybe a convention that allowed devs to bring in old beta/alpha stuff to share with the gamming community. Would be such a great fresh breath of creativity air. Idk maybe licensing and all that kinda of stuff would get in the way but would still be amazing to go through a "museum" of the old canceled stuff and they go over why and what steps brought them to the final product.

[@Scroolewse]

That is a really cool concept. Only problem is something like that would mainly garner interest and customer appreciation from notoriously miserly PC gamers lol.

[@AnCoolUsername]

I was really into Doom 3 so I probably would have had an alright time with the game. I'm glad we got what we ended up getting instead, but I still want to play this.

[@Aelfraed26]

But Doom 4 looks nothing like Doom 3

[@AnCoolUsername]

@@Aelfraed26 I disagree. It looks like a cross between doom 3 and call of duty to me.

[@Gizzor]

the monster design like the woman that splits in half and the huge one with the giant mouth are really cool designs so as bad it might have been it still would have looked great

[@CaptainJox]

Would have been the next Dead Space 3

[@GuyOnAChair]

Yeah big yikes.

[@jamesoloughlin]

Doom 3 was peak id.

[@rombuckofgodlick6126]

keep lying to yourself. it'll only hurt you gradually over the years....but it will still hurt.

[@rombuckofgodlick6126]

peak ID software will always be Doom 2 and Quake

[@TunbosunOyenuga]

Keep pumping that content out bro 🤙🏿

[@PalaceDude]

So it was basically a Dead Space game. At which period was it in development again?

[@SprocketWatchclock]

This makes me glad the game we got was the one that shipped even if it was named confusingly.

[@Semaze]

This just kinda makes me think it'd be cool to have a Metroid Prime: Federation Force-style doom game. Like, a squad of UNSC marines fighting through hoards of demons. (Though, it'd probably canonically fit as a prequel, and they would likely die at the end.)

[@Gia-lv2lg]

Basically Hugo Martin stepped in and saved everyone's ass, true savior of humanity

[@CatsT.M]

Your passion for games is incredible.

[@nickosman1556]

love how you put an ad in a 5 minutes teaser video for a secondary channel

[@monkeywithocd]

I really wish we had gotten Doom 4. Doom 2016 was undoubtedly the better game, and is honestly my favorite in the Doom franchise, but the bits I see of Doom 4 look so cool, and seems to offer a bit more of that "hell on earth" vibe that I feel Doom Eternal was lacking.

[@danminep]

Would love to see a video on this stuff.

[@haroldasusus4684]

It would be neat if we had one mission or bonus level where we play as a regular marine. Imps and zombies are much harder and lesser demons like barons and a cacodemons are treated as bosses

[@nathanielpurdy7014]

All things considered, I would still play Doom 4 if given the chance. I love what we got in the reboot and its sequel, really love, but I am still curious about how this one would have shaped up. Looked to me like I would have enjoyed, if not loved that one too.

[@Scroolewse]

2:10 wow I fucking love that menu. That looks dope

[@Triumph263]

Even though I'm very happy we got DOOM(2016) and eventually DOOM: Eternal instead of this I am still interested in what they do have. A lot of the ideas were interesting, and a lot of concepts/assets were recycled in DOOM(2016). One thing that surprises me is that Snap Map was already a thing (I had assumed that was basically tacked on to the final game, since they dropped it for DOOM: Eternal, it was decent in DOOM(2016) but it couldn't compete with a proper level editor like Radiant or Hammer). I hope ID opens up more on this.

[@mtrmx2621]

It all started with a bad day.

[@mtrmx2621]

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[@ControllerQuickSwaps]

Give me more horror DOOM PLEEEEEASE

[@Crasherbasher]

Very nice, well done

[@graematter]

DEFINITELY interested. I was always curious about what made them say, "Nah. We can do better."

[@Splarkszter]

so glad we got Doom 2016 instead of that seemingly soulless thing that just followed the trend, it probably would have killed the doom franchise and ID software with it.

[@jad_c]

goofy ah sponsor length

[@PalaceDude]

The content interrupted the ad.

[@InnuendoXP]

Hunt: Showdown IMO has shown how horror can properly work in an FPS. A DOOM game where you can already hear the monsters in the next room, where you need to scout to gain information on enemy positions to have a real chance & exploring to collect health + ammo is really necessary to not have a really hard time, where they can easily rush & overwhelm you if you give yourself away in a bad position, and where tougher demons are like mini-bosses in their own right where you need to prepare & explore to equip yourself for a short burst of overwhelming firepower, is a game I'd definitely want to play. While the Doom we wound up with was the shot in the arm the IP needed, I'd love a Doom game that approached from the horror angle of being a regular soldier again. I don't think the formula for this really existed at the time and I don't think what they were working on for OG Doom4 would've been it - but I think if the series is to go anywhere from here, I think there's clear precedent on how it could work, and the art style for what they had already looked pretty dang good - now they have the tech to actually pull off how those old RAGE tech demos looked.

[@Sarum9nich]

YES PLEASE. I WANT TO KNOW MORE.

[@VELVETPERSON]

I hope someone will make a Doom 1 overhaul mod based on this beta doom 4

[@lugbzurg8987]

Probably a better idea to build it off of Doom II, honestly.

[@Japixx]

I want id to make horror shooter like what D4 was already

[@bulutcagdas1071]

That color filtering on the footage is near identical to what they used in RAGE, so glad they didn't keep that for Doom2016

[@vivivivivi]

i fucking love the enemy designs i wqish we got something like it in the new games

[@Freelancer837]

Can someone please leak Prey 2 already? Would be fitting with all the other leaks we keep getting

[@murph8020]

Doom 4 looks like it could have potential to tell an epic story. Rather than take place on a baron wasteland like mars, an earth hellscape looks much more interesting and just has that apocalyptic vibe that the other doom games are lacking. I would take this over Doom 2016, where no amount of polish to the combat system could make up for the fact that the setting and the story is extremely bland and repetitive.

[@johnbriggs7728]

So all that time wishing Hugo Martin was your dad looks like it's paying off?

[@mikeb3172]

Walking through a corridor has more story - alone - than Doom 2016 did at any point...

[@iamburak]

As we can see its pure horror and action game. Not like "rip and tear". Its more serious and dark. You can feel the danger world have

[@andresbravo2003]

Wait, I got pissed when Doom 4 is found on the internet.

[@chickensofdeath490]

This game would have sucked especially if it means we wouldnt have gotten doom 2016 and doom eternal but I would be interested in something like Doom 3 2, Doom 3 was kinda half baked and it was great but it wasnt awful, a spin off with a mixture of Doom 3 and the cancelled Doom 4 could be really cool.

[@pinklightninggacha]

That would have been awesome and new

[@Kratos7560]

I always thought this version of Doom would make for a great prequel as to how Earth became the wreck that it was in Eternal. Maybe show some of the cool vehicles and mechs Hayden proposed to be built, even better if we piloted said vehicles and mechs. Then end the game with our faceless character holding out just as the Doom Slayer appears to save us.

[@lugbzurg8987]

An A.R.C. Complex game! Imagine if you got to play as Crash, Phobos, or Samuel Hayden!

[@Lettusfarm]

Where's the part that you talked about it?

[@nateghast6456]

Those enemies would have been cool to fight.

[@mastafoo886]

I am so interested

[@hummbug72]

Good on Hugo for the change but still stuff him for his unfair treatment to Mick Gordon

[@brians1793]

Wait, so the marine having a chip planted in their head allowing them to be controlled and of course you play the part of the controller, wouldn't that make it both a first-person and third-person shooter, but in the first-person perspective? One can only assume the controller can also see through the eyes of the marine so that would make sense. That's kind of a cool idea actually, I kinda feel like it always would have made the most sense to keep the person as faceless as possible so you can just pretend it's you when it's supposed to be like it's you in the game, not like you're controlling another person. But of course nobody really overthought that for years lol, and neither did I until now.

[@Wonk_Bonk]

idk why but the intro reminds me of gears of war tbh

[@ericpreston8877]

The next Doom should dial back the action and embrace the horror more. Not to the extent that Doom 3 did perhaps, but more than 2016 or Eternal. I think there's a.happy medium between Doom 3 and 2016.

[@lugbzurg8987]

For the time being, that would be Doom 64... or the PlayStation version of Doom.

[@Pyromaniax]

Hey Tyler could you please tell Hugo to update the Riot Soldier in Eternal to make him bald and black like the Chaingunner thanks

[@thx134]

Give me more Call of DooM!

[@mattwoodard2535]

"Call of DooM" 🤣 sm

[@toasterenthusiast6188]

Didn't you essentially break your NDA by disclosing the project you are working on

[@OpenMawProductions]

Couple of things. Doom 4 is referring to a couople of different games, not just one game. Doom 4 was never "not good." it was an id Software game, they don't make bad things. It just wasn't what Doom fans would ever have wanted Doom to be. The version showcased in this 2012 footage is NOT the Call of Doom version, it is an inbetween version that ultimately became the 2016 game.

[@MrGuy__]

you really wanna work with id after the whole mick gordon debacle?

[@gavincalvin5326]

Can't wait to see more doom 4 cancels

[@karloz2722]

I get that the game could have been (and probably was) bad, that said, I like the idea a lot. I think with some good maps and some well planned progress this could have been a really good game, I'm thinking like Half-Life meets Doom. In Half-Life you had to escape Black Mesa and fight aliens and marines, Doom 4 could have been similar but with demons instead of aliens and I think that had potential.

[@XzaroX]

I just want a true sequel to Doom 3 about Betruger's invasion of Earth.

[@iamgeorgesears]

inb4 Marty over rules Hugo and stomps Tyler.

[@orchid9]

"Doom 4 was brown boring Call of Duty clone" - all videos are showing glory kills and super-shotgunning demons... but on earth... but without super-mario styled gameplay Eternal is. And those were concept pre-alpha videos - the style the game was aiming for, which is pretty much the same style as 2016 - glory kills and super-shotgunning everything. I dunno man... the whole Doom 4 story seems fishy to me

[@RolandTheJabberwocky]

Honestly just slap a different name on it and it could have been a dark horse game.

[@Oo_Cat_oO]

welp

[@zenithquasar9623]

Omg, I am so glad Doom changed direction back to the roots. Doom 4 looks kind of boring.

[@CoolSs]

I know a lot of people will disagree with me but i like Doom 2016 more then Doom eternal, sometime less is more and doom 2016 is more like HL in terms of story telling and being not too "crazy" in terms of look and gameplay. Is something i liked.

[@mort_brain]

Wow! have been waiting for Doom 4 throughout my middle school, and was a bit upset when we got Doom 2016 instead, but never disappointed! Thanks for sharing this with us.

[@ewfwefwefwef]

good, i want quake 5

[@Skyrim29293]

YOU STOLE SOME OF MY INFORMATION TYLER STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION

[@slood]

tshirt

[@gaming_bigfoot]

Doom being more than a 1-trick-pony franchise would be interesting

[@PiroKUSS]

What does 1-trick-pony mean?

[@bishcopt9158]

wash your hair if u wanna sell me t-shirts

[@meediamongergamemodder2302]

probably tryen ta get nvesters ntrested na new doom wifa tiny trailor na dinky demo dont mean someone wont pik it up someday hek i thought battlefront was dunzo til eapiked it up😍

[@costcobakery6478]

First

[@rachelwindsor850]

It probably felt more like a Doom game than Doom 2016 did. Yes, I said it.

[@Blurns]

Half-Life was always something of a Doom clone. In Doom 2 demons are on Earth, in HL2 aliens control Earth. The reason HL3 never happened is because Valve didn't know where to go from there because Id didn't really do anything but retread Doom 1 & 2.

[@mrtwinky2007]

Doom 4 still looks way better than Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal, Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal were both very repetitive, boring games that just seemed far to big headed about themselves.

[@jkm4505]

Idk bro I've had a blast and so much fun. The story isn't A+ but it's also not trying to be realistic, it's a fantasy and I love it!

[@Wobbothe3rd]

Youre out of your mind. Doom Eternal is one of the best FPS games of all time, literally up there with Doom 2.

[@comedicidiot]

Oh wow, this would've been way worse than we we got. Imagine we got this shit instead of the glory that is Doom Eternal

[@ninjatriplexxx6109]

This is radical. Subscribing for more DOOM content