Ideal Logic / Vogue No Hot Water - How To Test - Plumber

[@AllenHart999]

Please send your videos in WhatsApp [phone] Thanks.

[@richardpayne2456]

Hi Alan brilliant video need more like this for ideal logic

[@AllenHart999]

@@richardpayne2456 Thanks.

[@steveincork3669]

Fantastic. The way he explained the switch between Dc and Ac plus measuring of water flow was awesome. Nowhere on the internet or days training did I see this explained in such a hands on way. Thank you👍

[@Danderofox_editz]

This is great video content. I've been a gas engineer for 8yrs and do mainly installing but have never gone down the breakdown route. Now thanks to your videos I can now begin this route. Many thanks!

[@AllenHart999]

Glad it was helpful!

[@GeeDee70]

Your videos are so helpful allen... have used them for reference many a time. Its so much easier watching a video of how to do stuff. Opposed to reading from the manufacturers instructions.

[@smellslikethinice1107]

As per usual, and I am not tired yet of saying it....Thank you Allen, and Ideal Boilers.

[@jeanstmartin2396]

Thanks for the detailed video. As a plumbing and heating technician these types of videos are very useful. I would love to see one on Viessman detailing how to test all the components.

[@johnboy1232]

The beauty of this job Allen is you learn in this job from the day you start to the day you retire . When I started it was bymetalic strips and pilot lights now you need to be electronics technician as well .

[@jackhoskins722]

Great video I’m terrible with a multi meter doing a baxi course Thursday love these type of videos

[@andrewmason143]

As someone who has just qualified and don't have the fault finding experience these videos are brilliant for me 👍if we can get more that would be great thanks

[@britishstudio1825]

Great video Allen. I love your style, very professional. We want more videos on Ideal. Thank you.

[@avnishkumar9118]

Great video!very informative.love to see more diagnostic videos like this.thanks

[@martynlewis4344]

Excellent video, thank you Alan and thank you Ideal engineer.

[@AllenHart999]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@darrenclarke161]

Great vid as usual Allen. Love the technical ones .👏👍

[@veronicahart450]

👍 very good video Allen

[@AllenHart999]

Thanks, mum

[@dando1898]

You’re never too old for your mam to be proud Allen and rightly so. Top man.

[@scobeno1911]

Good vid. If you want to find out if the Dhw pipes are crossed just run heating for 5 seconds then open hot tap, you’ll feel cold pipe getting hot for a few seconds. Diagnosed in less time than it takes to get multimeter out.

[@ИльяПанчук-ь9ю]

Very nice Allen. Would be perfect to have some kind of collection of videos about most common boiler issues from your own experience and possible testing and solutions for them. Well done mate 👍

[@rhys6264]

Very good video. More videos like this would be very beneficial

[@PhilipMurray-j9e]

Extremely good explanation!! Very professional 👏

[@jayhambleton5834]

Top video Allen, keep these technical ones coming 👍🏼

[@bluedwarf8858]

It's a good idea for ideal to do this as baxi have done it for a while so would be good to know how to diagnose and fix different parts on an ideal boiler. Maybe if ideal use a camera man so the engineer can show us properly

[@farzaneh8458]

My stupid ideal combi boiler keeps doing this every couple months it’s so annoying! I have ti keep coming to this guy’s videos god bless him!

[@ImranKhan-hz8jy]

Are you engineer aswell?? Do you repair boilers.

[@suheilhanna873]

Would very appreciate this type of videos as trainees and faults finding, would love if one day could make video on the EBUS on vaillant please. . You are a star , very appreciate your hard work

[@joncoke8208]

Great video allen! Keep them coming would love to see how to test the gas valve on an ideal i24

[@chriscars3578]

An other fantastic video again Allen

[@EPEBLTD]

Really nice video Allan Be nice for us trainees to see more like this on how to test different things within a boiler mainly with the common boilers Maybe how to test a fan on a worcester green Star or the fan on the ideal as they are a great boiler

[@AllenHart999]

Thanks.

[@daleatkinson7901]

Brilliant Alan 👍

[@davidrussell3890]

Great informative vid Love these types of instructional vids

[@waseemkhaliq933]

Hi Allen great informative video.is their any chance of you doing similar videos but on the vaillant ecotec!!!!

[@WoodomainJeremyBroun]

Its not clear what you ar referring to at 1:20 - floater..?.sensor?

[@32dartsking]

very informative as always thanks Allen

[@andythomson5309]

Great video Allen , My logic 24 combi the heating flow pipe gets hot when the hot tap is running would that be the diverter valve or the flow turbine 🤔

[@carriesparks8434]

Brilliant Allen ...thank you

[@all4heatinggaslimited40]

Thank you Allan For sharing

[@Hertfordtownontour22]

Great video Alan I have been watching you for ages you are great 👌

[@AllenHart999]

Wow, thank you

[@carlwhiston9388]

Great video. Very useful info for proper testing. Good work 👌

[@AllenHart999]

Glad you liked it!

[@easternise]

Which heat plate exchanger is easier to access, ideal logic (not vogue) vs Worcester junior greenstar. Thank you.

[@michaelrose5040]

Great video Allen just what I need Thanks

[@faridratni6799]

Thank you is the cable was testing red and green because I couldn't see the BLACK cable or is it my eyes

[@AllenHart999]

I will check next time i do one. Thanks.

[@davidb2464]

Yeah, I thought it was green, but at the PCB, it did look black, strange!!!

[@experienceb4bob]

Simple and brilliant video

[@adriatikqypi9356]

Great video Alan as usual. 😀

[@timothylindop484]

Hi Allan. Once again great video, i found it interesting that he was looking for an ac voltage coming out off the flow switch? in my limited experience on other types of boilers you normally get 5v dc going into the flow sensor and if the turbine or sensor is working correctly you normally get half the voltage dc out (2.5vdc) is this just the case for ideal boilers or that type of sensor or have I got it completely wrong? Thanks keep up the good work 👍🏻

[@michalwalenciak2478]

Where the grease go on that turbine? Great info. Very much appreciated for your work. Very good stuff 👍

[@alexhaley6271]

Yes more fault finding allan keep up the great work 👌

[@aliones]

is that your workshop? you have a lot of videos with boilers hanging on osb walls.

[@grahamknox9626]

Will the boiler regulate the heat engine depending on a lower/higher voltage/hz signal or is the signal simply an on/off ‘switch’ with heat then regulated by the thermistors in the boiler? Thanks

[@shaunhartnell2696]

Great video... keep those coming!

[@AllenHart999]

Thanks.

[@train4905]

Superb demo sir

[@alondon9421]

You such a good man Allen

[@jamesparry175]

Another brilliant video thanks Allen

[@greghepple5778]

Excellent stuff.

[@johnburns4017]

Great vid. Two components, a flow turbine and a hall sensor. A but. How do you determine if the turbine or the hall sensor is defective? Obvious once you know. The new to this may do a wrong diagnosis.

[@kevincranfield5235]

If your getting a Hz frequency signal, a stable one, but you are not getting the AC voltage back to the pub then you probably have a bad Hall sensor, Also if you pass a magnet over the Hall sensor back and to quickly it should activate the Boiler, if it does not then it is probably faulty, I wanted to keep it simple and not shove too much info in the vid. There is always more you can do but the basics are all in there.

[@johnlafferty5425]

Great stuff Alan

[@AllenHart999]

Thank you so much.

[@rajan246]

I may not quit tomorrow because of this helpful video. Dankje

[@leejones6579]

When checking voltage going back to turbine you changed from dc to ac voltage, is this the same for othe makes of boiler. Awesome video 👍

[@kevincranfield5235]

I would say that no, they are would work slightly different and have different voltage readings back to the boiler. But the main principles are the same, you would have to call the technical line and get the info from them.

[@jeremywithers3879]

Thankyou for this video, replaced a turbine today. My god it was tight to release the turbine from its housing at one point I thought it ain't going to move, but got it out eventually. New one in, water on job done.

[@kevincranfield5235]

Did you diagnose the fault using this video?

[@AllenHart999]

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[@32dartsking]

thanks great info again

[@TheFazpatel]

Got a give 5start to ideal for efforts they put into to support and training they provide to installer

[@keithtitley9452]

Great tip

[@kamilziolkowski3099]

You Are 🌟 star and yes please more videos thank you

[@luktrucking5057]

Super test please more like this!!

[@jameshawkins5280]

Great video used this information today top man mr ideal .

[@g5lak]

Hi mate I have this new boiler September2019 the radiator are working but no hot water coming out of the taps

[@AllenHart999]

Give ideal a call as it will be under warranty. Thanks.

[@kevincranfield5235]

You will have turned off the cold water inlet valve when topping up the pressure. Second valve in front the right, blue handle, pull in down and all should be o.k.

[@davidb2464]

Hi Allen, are all of these parameters in the MI's accompanying the boiler, or would we be calling their techy's?

[@kevincranfield5235]

I could be wrong because I don’t read the instructions left with the boiler, but I don’t think you get really in-depth readings measurements in them, technical helpline will give you all that you need though,

[@davidb2464]

@@kevincranfield5235 Hi Kevin, that's what I thought, I've got a copy of one of the MI's, and most things are the basics, but also informative. The good thing is, the tech guys on all of these boilers are really helpful, and they give the dogs b's of info most of the time.

[@MSKChess]

Yeah more diagnostic vids please!

[@muhammadafzalkhan2278]

Thanks

[@AllenHart999]

Welcome

[@SalimKhan-gk1fh]

It’s virtually the same flow sensor as the viessmann 050 model boiler thankfully ideal boilers have switched over to grundfos quality water housings now so we should see no more problems!

[@danfulton3426]

Great video

[@colinfleming2244]

What you think of new logics with the plastic front covers just think they're going to break at hinges at top over time wonder how much to replace it. Better tell anyone got one not to lean to hard on it🤔🤔🤔

[@AllenHart999]

Colin fleming They seem a lot better than the ones of the Baxi TBH

[@colinfleming2244]

@@AllenHart999 never seen the baxi one yet something to look out for

[@smalik695]

Very nice 👍🏼

[@AllenHart999]

Thank you 👍

[@lickopotamusslurperton1944]

How important is it to get the best multimeters in these jobs? Flukes aren't cheap. Can you get by with a budget multimeter?

[@AllenHart999]

I am not sure. I would only buy good quality multimeters myself. Thanks.

[@TheRantyMan]

Check out john Wards video on multimeters.

[@Lutonman2010]

Here’s another tip for guys just starting out on fault finding. This video shows the later composite water set on a Logic. The models before used a brass water set and the Hall effect sensor clips on. This older hall sensor has a small red LED built into it. Each pulse of the magnet rotation causes the led to light. If the turbine is spinning correctly with a decent flow demand, these pulses should made the led seem continuously lit. If you see this led flashing at all whilst the tap is turned on, there’s a very good chance the turbine is sticking. Hope this helps someone one day!

[@Home_made_ch]

Did you mean if led not flashing at all?

[@Lutonman2010]

@@Home_made_ch hi. If the turbine is jammed then the LED will not light at all. If the LED seems to flicker on and off then there’s a good chance the turbine isn’t freely rotating but not completely stuck. If the turbine is ok then the pulses of the LED will be so fast that it will look like it’s continuously lit. 👍🏻

[@Home_made_ch]

@@Lutonman2010 yes, so far i know. I mentiones as in your previos reply is saying if led does, instead of doesn't. But in my case exactly led is flashing regularly and change frequency accordind hot water tap position. But boiler not igniting. However CH is working fine and ignition get on and off in time

[@Lutonman2010]

@@Home_made_ch could be a pcb issue/stat issue if you’ve ruled out the turbine/hall sensor. If you call ideal tech then they can get you to check the voltage on the board from the hall sensor. I can’t remember which terminals you have to check. I think on that model it’s on the DC side.

[@Home_made_ch]

@@Lutonman2010 i found terminals from manual. Do you think possible that pcb doesn't receive signal from hall sensor, if sensor led is flashing?

[@davidspencer8968]

Again a great vid

[@Oleg85ful]

Thank you

[@YoutubeHero666]

Is it me as I see blue red and green?

[@YoutubeHero666]

I think I see it's black/green

[@jasonthompson615]

Exceptional

[@ryantomkinson776]

Thanks 😊

[@georgiangelov2764]

Hi I have ideal boiler esp1 35. My boiler is 3 years old and I head engineer twice already. First time he come when the boiler was brand new we move into the property and the water was giving. The engineer coming in with new pump. Open the box in the property and he realise this is a wrong pump. He go back to the van and straight away come back with already openbox. Second time the same problem and engineer and you've done exactly open the box in the property and realise this is the wrong pump go out and come back with open box. And this is engineer with 20-years experience. And now I haven't exactly the same problem. I just wanted to find out how many types of water pumps have for this thank you

[@robertdowling7620]

This is what's happening to mine I have to turn bath tap and sink on then off sometime it works but takes ages to go blue with d

[@ryanharding6926]

Hi guys, I was changing one of these yesterday but the clip was from the bottom not the side of the turbine and I broke the clip and the wires actually came out of it. that's the first time I've ever done this but I'm sure I'm not the first, is this fixable? really not sure where you would get a replacement clip head its never something you think about until it happens. any help would be really appreciated guys thank you

[@kevincranfield5235]

If what your saying is true, you must be talking about a different boiler than an ideal logic, as the clip only goes into the top and i find it hard to believe e that you broke the metal clip, that would take some doing. Can you confirm the make and model of the boiler and exactly what you mean by the clip broken and wires damaged

[@kevincranfield5235]

Unless your talking about the wiring harness connection?

[@ryanharding6926]

@@kevincranfield5235 yes the wiring “clip” from the pcb board, didn’t know what else to call it as it clips in and out of the component

[@kevincranfield5235]

Your gonna need a new harness then pal, give me the serial number and I will give you the part number?

[@markcliff9923]

Excellent video again Allen, Ideal really have upped their game since the Isar and Icos days, terrible appliances👍

[@AllenHart999]

Very easy to change that as well. The first one I have done.

[@johnboy1232]

The isar and it's brothers and sisters were without doubt the worst boilers of there type .I retired three years after the logic and they were starting to show the same repetitive faults like popping heat exchangers etc.

[@ImranKhan-hz8jy]

What if Ideal Logic boiler is giving hot water but not high temperature in the bathroom. I’ve come across two boilers replace all sensors but no luck Ending up replacing them finally. Can anyone tell what it could be please?

[@AllenHart999]

Plate heat exchanger or maybe flow too high, do you set boiler.

[@ImranKhan-hz8jy]

@@AllenHart999 thanks for replying hot plate replaced flow checked and reduced but no luck even Ideal techinical team couldn’t figure out

[@ImranKhan-hz8jy]

What it used to do that giving high tempreature in the kitchen but low in bath room in all taps.

[@tk4270]

Did you get this sorted. I'm having same problem after Plate heat exchanger cleaned and no fault codes. ​@ImranKhan-hz8jy

[@ImranKhan-hz8jy]

@@tk4270 i couodnt get it sorted so finally replace the boiler but my experience says after doing all this that flow turbine is slow or rotten inside not spinning fully and Gas valve is not providing full Gas to the burner. This is the last option if you don’t get it sorted replace the boiler. But i tell you i never checked the flow turbine but you do please.

[@johnburns4017]

Multi meters that measure Hz are usually _expensive._

[@billrankin]

Should be under warranty lol, good video though

[@ciao532]

Thanks to Speedi Plumber who showed me what was wrong with my logic 30. Fixed it in 10 mins after running the tests. Your plumber told you to change the wrong part. This doesn't make your KZbin page worth watching, as you can't touch things unless you are GasSafe engineer.

[@grimawormtongue2014]

What was the issue with your logic? And what was done to repair it?

[@sheilaglewglew131]

A spanner is showing and FI

[@whizzkid182]

I have this boiler and no water is coming out of the hot water tap, nothing, the heating still works though, so I’m stuck having cold showers 😂

[@AllenHart999]

I assume you fixed it; I also assume you had tried to top it up and turned the hot off. Thanks.

[@manjsingh6500]

Blue red green wires on turbine. Yet blue Red black on test on pcb.

[@SuperWayneyb]

👍🤓👍

[@32dartsking]

lol looks like i watched this vid 4 months ago

[@Gius3pp3K]

Poor design and parts used by Ideal

[@AllenHart999]

Thank You

[@sr11rami78]

I think if trainer speak a bit louder it will be much more understanable.

[@AllenHart999]

Thank You