How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love YOU | Deep Dive

Netflix’s You might seem like Bad TV™ until you look a little closer
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[@SkipIntroYT]

Is You the smartest dumb show or is it just plain good?

[@gursimarsingh7980]

Does it have be one or the other?

[@GTAVictor9128]

I would argue plain good actually. So many movies and TV shows portray stalking for love as "romantic" because the guy has a heart of gold. You is thus a show that explicitly goes against this trope.

[@haitiankid9456]

It's pretty good

[@Darinadon]

Just plain good. Frankly, your video is the first time I've heard it being called 'campy.' For me it has always been a commentary on how creepy and wrong numerous romantic tropes are if you really think about it, and this commentary is not being done by accident, that's the premise of the show. Everything is being done in a way to make us see that yeah, we've been conditioned by romcoms to consider these things wildly romantic (and I'm not immune), while actually they are just wild. And I think the first thing I read about the show was about that and that made me want to watch it

[@jenlindley7780]

It's good, very good!!!

[@BrandonPooley]

Joe just wants a woman to control, and Love by knowing him truly was no longer able to be controlled. Absolutely fascinating

[@-xphobia]

It isn't control. It is the inability to romanticize who the person is.

[@laraspace6139]

I think Joe needs a woman, who he can idolise so he can think "if she loves me I am a good person."

[@thiccrat]

he simply wants the fantasy and not a real person. its like how rom coms end in marriage and they live happily ever after. if he gets what he wants, he no longer wants it, not only because of the thrill of the chase but because he doesnt actually want to be with anyone who wants to be with him. consent and reality are not a part of his fantasy.

[@jenlindley7780]

Not at all; he wanted a "good" woman, so he can feel good himself. But Love was just like him, so he stopped wanting her.

[@eminatorstudios]

​@laraspace6139 I think the biggest oversight in that line of thinking is that he builds a character that he believes to be loveable and attractive. It's like he constructs a perfect version of himself that has to be loved since he knows and acknowledges that some parts of him can't be reconciled. So when someone aceepts those parts he is revolted the same way he is subconsciously revolted by those parts in himself. His romanticizing monologue is a form of self justification but when another person answers in the same tone the delusion is gone. Joe lacks the ability to interrogate himself, to open up and to restrain himself.

[@levischorpioen]

Joe Goldberg is not an anti-hero. He's just a villain protagonist with more depth than a usual moustache-twirling villain on the grounds of him being the focus character. I'd say You is a smart show simply because it shows people that there are other ways of portraying a protagonist with complexity than making them an anti-anything. Villains always get the short end of the stick when it comes to characterisation. They don't have to be likable (they're villains, after all), but it's good to go more in-depth about why some people are bad people.

[@EdgarFroes]

Thanos emits the same vibe.

[@j4242]

This is what Promising Young Woman was about. "Nice Guys" who think they are leads in their own romantic comedies while they prey on and do real harm to women. We are just prizes to them, not fully functioning human beings. Glad more and more media is taking this to task. No, it's not romantic to not take NO for an answer, or stalk women, or take them home when drunk, or assume women OWE you anything....your time, a smile, a date, or sex.

[@iamthewizardwhoknocks2845]

Nice guys like Nerdwriter, Filmspeaks, and this guy.

[@zinjanthropus322]

It's not like women don't assume men owe them things.

[@DragonHotCoffee]

"Thousands of fans have assembled in online forums over the years to vent about how much they hate Carmela Soprano, Betty Draper, and Schuyler White rather than the monsters they find themselves trapped in marriage with" and DROP GOES THE MIC. I hated that people would hate on the wives when their husbands are ten times worse. I can't tell you how much I hated Don Draper for all seven seasons of Mad Men and all the shit he did to Betty. Regardless of what she's done, no one DESERVES to get cheated on.

[@iamthewizardwhoknocks2845]

This is not a mic drop, a character being a bad person doesn't make tham a bad _character_ .

[@Erin-000]

@@iamthewizardwhoknocks2845 how can you possibly misunderstand a quote so badly literally taken from the video and respond like this... unironically, this must be a bot.

[@bruisedwayne8753]

Ted Mosby is a similarly troubling character - but we hear the story from his pov and its heavily coloured by his insistence that he's 'a good guy' and therefore deserves love

[@luizaterra4102]

yes!

[@levischorpioen]

Ted Mosby is an unreliable narrator. HIMYM is a story he tells from memory to in-universe characters, which means he chooses how to portray himself. Joe Goldberg's story happens in real-time, his voice-over is just internal monologue and we are his intended audience. We see the events play out as they actually do. Joe doesn't lie per se, he just has no grasp on his own emotions. The two are completely different.

[@efoxkitsune9493]

...you did not just compare Ted Mosby to a psychopathic stalker/multiple murderer

[@eddiea8468]

to be fair if you start applying more realistic ethics to a show like How I Met Your Mother then almost every character (except for maybe Marshall, with a strong argument to be made for Lily) becomes a horrible, terrible no-good person and Barney becomes the Anti-Christ.

[@amandagiovini4109]

Barney an ted are problematic jerks and I hate them But robin was fine

[@TheIskender101]

Dude, this show is so good! Thanks for talking about this show; it's so good to hear your perspective on it! I was blown away by the first episode of season 2 - Joe has spent the whole time telling himself that he's done with the stalking, and then you get a montage of him seeing and beginning to stalk Love right at the end?! The show is constantly convincing you of Joe's self-delusions, and then right at the last minute undercutting him and exposing his actions for what they are. I love it!

[@TheIskender101]

Also, so keen for a video on Schitt's Creek!! It deserves all the love! XD

[@littlereddragon]

Can I just point out that in S2 the brother and sister characters are called Forty/Love like the tennis score? I have no idea what to do with this information but I feel like there is some symbolism there somewhere.

[@ladybluelotus]

Lol, I noticed the same thing.

[@honestlythough7250]

Its supposed to be symbolic of their parents perceptions of them. 40 is the highest score you can get while love is literally nothing (this is what i hear anyway. Ive never played tennis). And also tennis is often associated with white affluence which sums up the Quinn family quite nicely

[@debrachambers1304]

Plot twist: the creators just like tennis

[@esm82ify]

I remember thinking that singularly Love is a beautiful name but as a twin she's "zero"

[@marietailor3100]

I'm really glad actually to see someone else appreciate this show. I thought from the get-go that it was smarter than people gave it credit for. I've always seen it as a commentary on ease which our prejudices and a person's inner-monologue can paper over terrible behaviour and excuse it. There are so many layers of that analysis at play at all times as well. It's useful that Joe is usually right about people's actions but has no ability to view others as complex and containing internal lives as well. That's most clearly pointed out when we finally hear Beck voice the episode for a moment. We end up immediately realizing that much of what we - through Joe's eyes - knew about her was off base and that there is more to her than whatever Joe wants to think there is. Then there's also the way that the show follows popular romantic tropes to their logical conclusion. Whether it be conveniently being there to save someone's life, knowing the exact right thing for the moment, or even leaving cute gifts in someone's else's locker - all of these gestures actually would require some super sketchy behaviour to execute in real life. Sneaking into a girl's apartment and then getting trapped in the shower is uh... not cool. So the show uses music cues to indicate that the "romantic" actions depicted on screen are actually anything but. Even better than all of that, I think the show does a great job of demonstrating how relatable, human, complex, and sometimes good toxic people can be. However, I think that it's meant to be a massive flashing red warning sign that says "Just because he seems nice and sweet and harmless, doesn't meant he's good for you". With his dialogue and reasoning often starting in such a relatable manner before getting out of hand, I think it also asks of it's audience to examine where their own motivated reasoning may be leading them. Some people might say that I'm reading too much into a show that debuted on Lifetime (for another great show that Lifetime made, check out UnReal - the first season is really the only really good one but it's fairly self-contained), but the fact that this ethos can be found throughout each and every episode indicates to me that I'm not looking for clues and eschewing anything that doesn't fit. Instead, it tells me that these showrunners are interested in making something that is entertaining, but that also forces the audience to ask itself questions.

[@haitiankid9456]

You get it

[@beautifullEternal]

The shout out to UnReal let’s me know you’re real people ✊🏾

[@kiwilastnameher2095]

I didn't see camp so much as comedy in the show to add levity and make the viewer drop their guard so they would like joe more and be forced to question why it was so easy to forgive an objectively horrible man, the lighter moments imo were ment to distract you maybe they also happened as sort of call backs to nice guys in other media. It's probably because I'm a woman but I didn't go into the show expecting it to suck and like a lot of shows it had layers and nuance despite being over the top in places it never felt over done just felt like that's what they were going for.

[@keepperspective]

Season two broke my brain… Can relate. Also, the recent actor on actor interview between Pen Badgley and Chase Crawford offer some fascinating interest into the creating and then subverting of romantic tropes.

[@safflower_s]

thank you! it was a nice analysis. i'm happy there is now one more essay that explores camp!

[@FortheLoveofMonsters]

Why is this show automatically “campy” or “trashy”? Because it’s targeted towards women? If the show was on HBO and targeted towards the Mad Men audience would it be taken more seriously?

[@nonaide]

It's not the audience; it's the writing. It's very melodramatic and overwrought at times. There's a reason for that--namely that Joe is _incredibly_ pretentious and he's the narrator--but it's not immediately clear that that's why. Since the show opens with his narration, people's expectations are set based on it.

[@KoreaMojo]

This is targeted towards women?!?! Ugh... I think it's targeted towards something but not all women, some special demographic.

[@tyf.5111]

@Real Chungus You hate 51% of the earth's population because some people have different tastes in TV than you do? If that was supposed to be a joke, it was a stupid one.

[@ryukisgod2834]

@Real Chungus you don’t ironically hate women you just hate women

[@jedgrahek1426]

@@KoreaMojo I've only watched some of the first episode, will probably watch more based on this video... but I honestly felt like it was targeting guys like me who identify with the dynamic of finding one's natural feelings about love and romance to be too serious/intense, and out of step with current cultural norms, to the point of having real trouble engaging with relationships in a healthy way. It makes sense now why there would be a female audience, based on how the first season ends. Kind of reminds me of Hannibal in that way... I could never get past him killing the girl at the end of the first season in that, but it was something the female audience of the show loved... everyone is shitty in their own way, lol. Also a lot of girls like hearing the perspective of a guy romantically obsessed, as long as it's at a distance in a fictional setting. I've know many women who loved reading Lolita particularly for that reason.

[@DonnyTrent5533]

Well, Jackson, you did it again. I'd never even heard of this show but now I'm just polishing off season 1 and cant wait to get started on 2. Another series you talked about and I turn out to love

[@lillost]

I think you touching on the fact that this show isn't about power or money, but about love, really hints at the fact that romantic shows like this are generally geared towards women, and anything geared towards women is almost instantly written off as less than. I never saw You as Campy and wouldn't categorize it as a teen drama. It's a blaring disdain for female demographic shows and movies that's very prominent in media. Your commentary is correct on all nuances of the show and it's unfortunate that some people won't give it a chance because of it's main demo.

[@ethanstump]

As someone once said, everything is about sex, except sex. Sex is about power. That's kind of the whole point of love's reveal, that if he was looking for a genuine relationship, well, that's between equals.he isn't looking for someone to share his genuine self with, he's looking for something to control.

[@KAMIKAZEE3421]

It's good, there's A LOT of plotholes.

[@princesssparrow4530]

... Really? Didn't notice any.

[@kairahaither497]

I still don't know what they did about the "DNA samples found at the sallinger's the day she died" I hoped they would touch it in season 2.

[@kairahaither497]

Also how did Beck complete an entire book while locked up for a few days. There could be more, either way, I LOVED the first season. Season 2 was also extremely thrilling, but I sensed that they were slipping off their writing style, season 3 might get worse.

[@princesssparrow4530]

@@kairahaither497 oh yeaaaaah, it never came back up. It kinda got overshadowed by Beck finding out about Joe.

[@rixx46]

Kaira Haither I don’t think we were meant to believe she had finished the entire book. The impression I had was that Joe carried on after to create a more credible narrative for her death.

[@rixx46]

Thanks for this assessment. I wrote a piece for a friend’s screenwriting blog on the first season about how YOU’s transition from LIFETIME to NETFLIX allowed the show to find its audience - not dissimilar to how BREAKING BAD crossed over to a much broader success when the earlier episodes attracted new viewers on Netflix that fueled new recognition on A&E. I have read both of the books and the TV adaptations are far better. The second season was a genius I totally did not see the discovery of Love’s secret coming. If you go back and look at the opening of the second season the murder scene to watch is being shot foreshadows the details of Love’s murderous nature at the end. I guess it qualifies as camp because we don’t watch it as if it is realistic portrayal of of drama and relationships, but the characters themselves take it all with deadly seriousness. The second season was a huge hit as well I am really looking forward to where they are going with season three know that they are out of the book material.

[@rahbeeuh]

There's like 4 books wdym?

[@bigwibble6]

what do you think of seasons 3 and 4?

[@beebumble2591]

This is such an interesting perspective. I always assumed that you were supposed to have the conclusion you mentioned from season 2 - that Joe is the bad guy that we initially overlook and are manipulated into rooting for - from the jump, but the idea that people interpreted it as camp, and Lifetime "fun but empty" drama, is fascinating. It really shows another insidious way we dismiss any stories focused on relationships (even if it's a relationship that's terrifying and disturbing) as silly and dramatic, and bend over backwards to downplay the danger stalking victims are in. We roll our eyes at Joe's internal monologue, and enjoy the thrill of the chase, but it's not a farce or an exaggeration for effect. Guys like Joe are excused and dismissed left and right, especially white handsome ones who show any glimmer of kindness despite their violence, and this example of camp is a good way to show how a real problem can be so easily hand-waved away by not being what we perceive as dangerous - even after watching him murder people, since he's our protagonist and viewpoint. Never occurred to me that it was supposed to be written off as fun camp, like Rocky Horror or The Room. Fascinating commentary on how we view male romantic characters and romance narratives.

[@beckdengler4839]

Your videos are so visually interesting. I love all the text animations and shaky shadowing (how do you do that sketch shadow thing?). It's super sick. I'm addicted to video essays and just discovered your channel. Seriously, yours is top-tier.

[@camila____]

yeeees! I also understood it to be just that, the male fantasy fed by pop culture (patriarchy) about love and romance. About what a relationship looks like from that perspective, one sided while erasing the complexity of the love interest and not seing it as a full person. Kind of like (500) Days of Summer and that relationship, where the real point of the plot is on the one sided perspective

[@ethanstump]

Personally, I want to see a deconstruction of the female fantasy that portrays it as just as toxic and erasing as the male fantasy. Do you know of anything like that?

[@itsPenguinBoy]

And I thought it had successfully made a bad guy protagonist who wasn't an anti hero... I came to really like beck and I wanted her to survive so badly. There is a realness to her striving, her complicated relationship to peach that your usual slasher victim doesn't have... Sad to be informed that the Internet is still like "yay Joe Goldburg"

[@tylerhorner7261]

dude your channel is fire! keep up the good work

[@CarsSimplified]

Interesting show, and great dive into "Camp".

[@laraspace6139]

what I really likes was that a lot of fansgirls hated Becks and called her basic and then season 2 comes alround and Love is like one of the joe-fangirls in extreme and naturally the fangirls hated her.

[@jenlindley7780]

All fanbase loves Love, get your information right sister

[@laraspace6139]

@@jenlindley7780 Not true. I know a lot of people who didn't like her but love Joe.

[@jenlindley7780]

@@laraspace6139 and there is a lot of people who are widowed by her death, wishing it was Joe to die instead and are eternally waiting for her to come back to life. I don't agree with those people, but there are numerous.

[@laraspace6139]

@@jenlindley7780 True. The fanbase seems divided these days. I have to say my comment was very much related to the discourse on tumblr shortly after Love showed up.

[@cadenvanvalkenburg6718]

@@laraspace6139 tumblr seems to hate Love, while Reddit loves her

[@HorseJoint]

I can’t wait for the Euphoria and Barry video.

[@simonsays6026]

II actually chuckled when Archie told him he doesn't know the highs and lows of football. I mean can you imagine being this real and a guy is like nah that ain't shit. Unbelievable!

[@cloudnine6852]

I also think it’s interesting how age or maybe experience affects how you see Joe. When I watched the show I admit I rooted for him even if I knew he was a bad guy. But when my mom watched the show, she HATED him the entire time and was rooting for his demise. I guess she just wasn’t his target audience

[@deaf-tomcat]

Justice for Forty! ): I get why he had to die but he was literally the BEST character in season 2. This show is so good, I wish people wouldn't just brush it off.

[@queenfi3]

I love the title reference to Dr. Strangelove!!

[@knusprigeschuhsohle7939]

Now I thought this show was a dumpster fire (like a lot of stuff Netflix puts out lately) and romanticising toxic ideas but this essay and the comments have made me starting to think I might have to look into it! I guess it’s more so certain audiences that romanticise it

[@davidprado545]

New York, Los Angeles, Sonoma County, and next season London. i CANNOT wait

[@danidkg4071]

CAMP??? it's not even reaching the level of picnic

[@meghanwissler1378]

"I'm really excited for what 2020 has to bring." has really not aged will here in 2021 hahahah

[@SlackerStuff]

I feel like you can't have Jackson without Camp. Camp is such a huge part of who you are (imo).

[@lulairenoroub3869]

So, so confused by this. This is the first time I've heard the word camp applied to You. I have no idea where anyone ever got that from. He is a little "corny", but that's only because we are seeing it through his perspective, and his perception of himself is corny. That's powerful, juxtaposed against the fact that, no matter how hard the show works to use the tools of protagonism to make us empathize with him, we can't help but still know he is wrong. He's wrong about his actions, he's wrong about his motivations, he's wrong about his self perception, he's just completely wrong. That's not camp at all. In fact, the second season really fucks that up, because it crosses what I call "the Durden line". Tyler Durden is bad. You are supposed to notice that. But Fight Club fights that impression as hard as it can through it's presentation of Tyler. If you fail to realise that Tyler is bad, you fucked up. But you fucked up because Tyler represents something that is seductive, and real. To the left of the Durden line is Dexter. The type 1 protagonized psychopath. Dexter is a fiction. A dark fantasy. A vicarious instrument of both vengeance and voyeurism. He isn't real. He never could be. He is a good guy. You're on his side, not just because he is protagonized, but because he's written as a hero, and a psychopath, and those two things don't exist together in reality. It's an irreconcilable fiction that's just for the audience. To the right of Durden is Joe, season 1 of You. The type 2 protagonized psychopath. He is presented heroically, he is somewhat seductive, but it doesn't ride the razor edge like Tyler. Tyler is the Devil, presented as if he is God. Joe, just sucks. At best, he has earnestly good intentions, and he looks out for the vulnerable, but he does this while constantly committing sins big a small, at the drop of a hat, for usually petty, self absorbed, pathetic reasons. You are supposed to notice. "Crossing the Durden line" means going from type 2 to type 1. And it is bad. It's taking someone who you are supposed to notice is a bad person, who's behaviour is reflective of real world destructive behaviour, real world toxic bullshit, behaviour that we are supposed to look at and have a deeper understanding of how we collectively fail in the ways in which we understand and communicate and treat each other, it's taking all of that important, vital, necessary conversation about nice guyism and toxic masculinity, and then retcons it as the actions of a fantastical, fictional, unreal caricature, a cartoon, a creative catharsis of an impossible hero, as invented and appealing and impossible as Batman. It's bad. Bad bad bad. Don't do that! It's similar to what happened to Tyrian Lanister. You take a terrible person, who's behaviour is shit, and who you're supposed to notice that their behaviour is shit, but you present them heroically. It's not supposed to be to make that behaviour seem acceptable, it's supposed to help you get a more personal, more intimate understanding of how bad ideas move, how bad behaviour moves, how it affects us, our own choices, and how we encourage those behaviours in others, even if we don't realise it. But writers spend so much time making these people likeable, then they're like "Everyone likes this guy! We can't make him a bad guy!" and they start to soften the edges, make more and more of what he does seem reasonable, mix in more and more actually heroic behaviour, till you end up with a full on fantasy of an actual Batman, whom is also an actual serial killer, simultaneously, with very little actual conflict between those two completely incompatible identities. "Are you a Mac, or a PC". "Yes". "Which one are you?" "I am a Mac. I am a PC." "Are you like sometimes a Mac and sometimes a PC?" "I am a Mac. I always was an MC. I always will be a PaC" "So you're both Mac and PC at the same time, all the time?" "I am Mac. I am PC. There is no both." Two qualities, totally incompatible, co-absolute. Like an infinite staircase. It can be painted, it can be depicted for the purposes of art, but it can't actually exist. It just looks like it can because the artist is using techniques to present something impossible as if it were real. So crossing the Durden line, is taking something that is real, but is not heroic, and turning it into something that is heroic, but is not real, but still looks real because of how it is depicted. It's bad. It's very bad.

[@gracefasiku6885]

Well written 👏🏾

[@lulairenoroub3869]

@@gracefasiku6885 I never expect anyone to read my obsessive YT comment essays. So if sarcastic, understandable :p But if you meant it, thanks :)

[@gracefasiku6885]

@@lulairenoroub3869 I meant it

[@lulairenoroub3869]

@@gracefasiku6885 Thanks :)

[@mobber606]

Oh I can feel this! Can feel your knowledge moving through my mind!

[@jeinyabad]

I read a comment about the show from a man relating to Joe and saying that he had a girlfriend like Beck. That made me lose faith in the state of the world. I do think the same as you. You can clearly see in the piece Beck writes while imprisoned about how she and the world relates to men. Tha was a summary of the point of the show

[@matthewdezii]

Great video! I miiiiight pass on this show, but I love learning about it.

[@RoemelloDouglas]

This was great. This video was the one you truly made me see now that he’s just a murder we’re as before I wanted to truly believe that he was looking for true love.

[@petrolandcoffee]

I think it's just really good

[@ChrisSchwally]

"I'm really exited for what 2020 is gonna bring"

[@debrachambers1304]

"How I learned to stop worrying and love You" Awwwe, thanks!

[@sebj3917]

Aww Skip, I love you too bud !

[@allysinlombard]

Love your content!

[@kai_fatallysapphic]

hearing it without naration i immediately yelled GARFIELD WITHOUT GARFIELD

[@akshayde]

We underestimate shows like you because of the technical filmmaking aspects, casting and writing. I havent watched this show but after this essay i am pretty sure its a better show than queen's gambit but queen's gambit will be more highly regarded. In some ways its elitism i suppose.

[@adoniscreed4031]

Jesus christ that Riverdale scene... It will haunt my nightmares Hahahahaha Would power rangers be considered camp then? Cuz I unironically the over the top soap opera/ martial arts/ sci-fi/ cliche/ fantastic universe of power rangers 😂

[@Avemarieantoinette]

I don't Hedwig is campy, it is incredibly sincere and of complexities.

[@mattgilbert7347]

Can't it be both? Hedwig was smart camp.

[@danidkg4071]

i don't know if i'm in the minority here, but i genuinely don't get it when people say they started rooting for joe. it's obvious that he's a stalker from the start and while his inner dialogue can sound convincing, it's also the type of dialogue that's famously associated with hypocritical men like joe. and he's not even lovable in an "anti-hero" way, if anything he's more of a villain of his own story.

[@ericm2243]

yes.

[@DarkPaleUnicorn]

Love was too good for him and her death made me see him for what he is. but until then? I was blinded by all the shiny things Joe portrayed.

[@brucesnow7125]

Thanks man, I love you too.

[@ripwednesdayadams]

“you” is like if “500 days of summer” were a horror movie.

[@thatyoutubechannel9953]

I watched s1 and I couldn't figure out if it was a brilliant dumb show or a dumb brilliant show

[@amamemuse]

Would love to see an update to this video with thoughts on the 3rd and 4th seasons.

[@Schrodinger_]

Carmela definitely wasn't a "moral compass" for Tony. The only thing she ever confronted him about was his cheating. She was okay with all the murder and extortion.

[@Thulgore]

I clicked on this just to post this comment. I saw the thumbnail and at first thought it was a biopic on Ted Bundy LOL

[@Donteatacowman]

I do think (based on what you showed) that the lampshading, weird names, and comedy beats were more instrumental than the genre in affecting people's perception of it as camp. But I do love the vid. Except the "I'm really excited for what 2020 is going to bring" which is cringe in the literal sense :'/

[@cassiejones399]

please do another video on s3 & 4!!!

[@modupeadio6408]

You is Prestige TV 😤😤😤

[@nira_rad]

under the silver lake!

[@ryukisgod2834]

I kept waiting for the twist but there wasn’t one. The world really was just that crazy. One guy wrote all the hit songs

[@kekagiso]

I really have to disagree with you here. There's really nothing deep there just a story from an unusual perspective. I wouldn't even say that Joe is a complex or multidimensional character, he's just a guy who tells himself what he needs to tell himself to justify what he wants to do. I dare anyone to dispute this. All this monologues about how he wants to be a protector and wants love is just single trope hogwash disguised as multilayering. You is just bad tv, it's actually what I would term as guilt tv, the shows/movies we watch despite knowing how trash they are. We watch You for the same reason we watched Twilight(yes even the people who hated it still watched the sequels, myself included), now you see me, etc.

[@Amazatastic]

don't trash The Society like that 😭

[@Batt-man]

Aw, I love you too (:

[@gotsnuffify]

The show died to me with love.

[@Cyynapse]

ill never forget the time i was watching s2 and when THAT happened i accidentally punched myself in the balls

[@pyromaniac2104]

Ah yes "YOU" or as I like to call it "a yandere story from the west"

[@JTatin]

In french, i think camp can be translated to "Un Nanar" a diminutive of "ScéNARio" who means "Script". A Nanar is something so ridiculously bad that it becomes funny.

[@Dunybrook]

I never saw him as likable or anything other than a serial killer. This might be why I could never get into watching Killing Eve either. Joe is far too detached from reality and unrepentant to ever redeem himself or change.

[@Gogettor]

I love YOU too

[@sennnia]

Knowing that Dan Humphrey was gossip girl all along proves that in an alternative universe where Dan doesn't become a published writer (or outs himself as gossip girl) he becomes Joe: obsessed with books and still stalking people with an escalation of murder.

[@heathercalun4919]

talk about better call saul next please thank you.

[@heathercalun4919]

Love Quinn is an argument for why Flanderizing Kim Wexler might not be such a bad thing.

[@heathercalun4919]

nmv i found it. well do another one dammnit!

[@nopunksalive8902]

I love YOU. It's the next Dexter. And Dexter really only had two great seasons IMO. YOU is getting better each season.

[@LegendsP137]

So this show feels like the outcome of the mixed Ted Bundy and Twilight.

[@srensen9948sander]

Love your videos, but have you seen season 3 ? What's your opinion on that?

[@ninino86]

I wish it would have ended after season 2, with Joe looking over the fence at his next victim. We think he's finally happy, met his match, but he will never be happy, because its never been about the women. He's just broken.

[@casir.7407]

im a whole year late, but for some reason im thinking that the tool of overwrought pretentious voice over narration (which reminds me a lot of that of american psycho, a movie that appears to share a lot of traits with this show) would probably be the best way to adapt something as shocking and controversial as Lolita by vladimir nabokov. You, by what this video seems to show, can actually tackle really difficult subjects like stalking and partner abuse and gaslighting by being both "campy" (not really, but in a way embracing a sort of humorous heightened vision of the world, which i think is probably what you see through joe's eyes) and being extremely unsubtle. the metaphors and the symbolism is so over the top and in your face that even if you buy that joe can be redeemed and that he might be a good guy underneath it all, none of his actions are actually forgiven in text; whats more, the tables are turned on him, exposing just how manipulative he was and giving him a taste of his own medicine.

[@summer-lynnhewlett2901]

Just wanted to add that joe murders innocent women to deal with his shit and we’re supposed to root for him to be redeemed? Fuck no! The fact that he gets a taste of his own medicine through Love doesn’t mean he’s suddenly worthy of redemption or us caring about him. Also that fact that he protects a kid doesn’t make up for that.

[@cj32pull2]

This video was a huge miss but still a fan

[@karinalumen9722]

I think is less about “being patent/ loving a difficult man” but more about relating to the “main character” regardless what they do so. That we fall for whatever is in the spotlight

[@ethanstump]

There's certain naive people who regardless of the warning signs, regardless of the toxicity, simply won't focus on that, and in fact do their BEST to focus on the good in everyone, even on irredeemable people like Joe. They believe in the power to redeem everyone, even though that's not how it works. There are many sadistic people that weaponize their compassion against them, and the boundaries never get drawn, or are always redrawn by the toxic person, which kind of defeats the whole point. That being said, there is a certain type of empathy that lends itself to the spotlight. While their are true pessimists out there I genuinely believe that most people WANT to see the good in humanity, even when they don't feel as if they belong in it. It's a sort of optimistic othering, and this applies to the media we watch as well. We generally are human centric, so we see some we should root for.

[@BenRigney480]

Joe looks like a young Dennis Reynolds.

[@thestatusjoe9949]

It’s hard for me to appreciate You because having an incredibly evil and psychotic MC with my name makes me uncomfortable

[@renaigh]

r/NiceGuys personified

[@SmartVideosJarkaWatched]

Have you ever READ the Sontag? I haven't, but I thought it was titled 'Notes FROM Camp' ;:-\

[@AndrewLuke]

It's the implication.

[@pdzombie1906]

Pedretti is in YOU? Well, now I have to watch it... Thanx for the spoilers, I guess...

[@rynthorn1551]

How dare you compare The Room, an actual bad movie, to Hedwig and the Angry Inch, an actual masterpiece.

[@wowie2162]

Whaaaat? The society is goood, don't put it in the same category as R i v e r d a l e

[@cimplecyrup]

Chris D'Elia played the part of the comedian...?! 😲😬

[@user-rz3nu3lm5r]

Man… I’m revisiting this video after the first part of season 4 dropped and I’m so mad! I genuinely thought the first three seasons were great and more smart than people gave it credit for but the newest season is pretty bad so far :(

[@bigwibble6]

if you have finished season 4, how haas your opinion changed?

[@alexcoyg3281]

Riverdale is so weird its gets boring real quick, because its weird in a way its makes it not interesting real quick, but YOU is very good at being interesting, its the writing, its the acting, its the new way of showing weird characters, you can see that Joe is insane and he is looking for explanations for his behavior, it might be a lie he tells himself to keep going, to keep making sense and its very relatable in a way. Also Becks is a pos.

[@stardustzombie7282]

I think You is a great show, but I’ve never rooted for Joe. I’ve watched every series, rooting for Joe’s discovery and destruction. I found it really weird that fans of the show posted about how annoying and bitchy Beck was, how she should have appreciated Joe more, or that she deserved to be murdered for cheating on Joe (with her therapist, i might add, implying a massive abuse of power and potential levying of her trauma to entice her into the relationship). It’s wild that being flawed and annoying is worthy of her being literally murdered, but Joe being evil but attractive/romantic means he can be forgiven for any number of sins

[@clarissaspeyer-stocks331]

ok but I KNOW my pretentious ass Joe would NEVER EVER go for a woman reading "A guide to Jane Austen" book instead of just the novels, he'd find that child's play. And that is why season 2's ending is trash!

[@thiccrat]

oooh that comedian looks like chris d'elia 😂💀

[@wesleyleigh4063]

I mean idk, at a moment so blithely undone by the material ceiling of film and television, I think the show is just good. Not great, but definitely worth watching on the chance or score of happenstance merits.

[@allysinlombard]

Beck is SO pretty but Love is a MUCH better character.

[@tipgo2]

What movie is that at 3:38 ?

[@bigwibble6]

Barbarella, the original campy SF

[@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan]

Joe looks like a millennial Ted Bundy :D

[@Cieges]

Delilah 😭😭😭

[@eric2ill4u]

Can someone explain the “David Fincher” thing to me?

[@bigwibble6]

David Fincher os a director who made Seven, Fight Club, Gone Girl amongst other psychological thrillers

[@johandrytenias1725]

I Wolf You