Identical Twins Murder Their Mother After Custody Decision | Nikki Whitehead Case Analysis

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[@GrumpyCat-mw5xl]

It’s ironic that they both killed their mother because they wanted freedom but ended up with the least amount of freedom possible with a life behind bars.

[@shrapnel77]

Teenagers have an immortality complex. They probably thought their stupid plan would work and if they were caught, could play the innocent, hurt child routine.

[@biancapierce639]

They could have just run away.

[@thijsjong]

@@biancapierce639 No they wanted to live with their grandmother. And running away would leave them homeless. They would leave school that was their source for all kinds of attention. They attended prom after the murder. Their mother was an inconvenience to them. I bet they did not even consider her human.

[@LisaAnn777]

It's a tragedy.

[@rachelgooden9981]

And separated

[@christinemacielak5873]

They didn't want to follow any rules. Now they are in prison, where there are plenty of rules.

[@BrendaBaBoom]

HARD TIME. It’s called learning the hard way.

[@haleytruslow7200]

I’m glad they were sent to separate prisons.

[@ISayToMyself]

I know they must be sitting in jail thinking “living with mom wasn’t so bad after all.” This is horrible.

[@sharonhoyt2133]

I'm not certain that 30 years in prison is enough for these twins.

[@mihali9655]

If it were Australia they would get 5 years if that.

[@Dulcimertunes]

Since 30 years does NOT mean 30 years

[@jayuhoo4806]

they should have gotten 45 years same as the number of stab wounds they inflicted on their mom

[@420noscopesonlylol6]

@@mihali9655 Same with Canada

[@gabrielleandrew542]

@@mihali9655unfortunately the Australian judiciary is an embarrassment.

[@laureljade3476]

nikki had the same emotional maturity as the girls. history repeats itself. the grandmothers' permissive parenting and the lack of maternal bonding are a huge factor. the girls likey saw her more of a hateful sibling than a parent (what happens when you let your parents/grandparents raise your children)

[@Dwightstjohn-fo8ki]

GENETICS. Zero empathy is a genetic based issue. Science today can probably even identify the gene: a lot of this shows up when puberty HITS. The chemical change hits hard.

[@Hilz28]

Ya, and probably some inter-generational trauma going through all those households. Something else has to have happened (besides puberty and teenaged rebellion) in between them being "polite and respectful" to murdering their mother. The Mom was definitely far from perfect, and who knows what the twins were subjected to while in the womb? With birth? Surprised these factors weren't at least considered as possibilities.

[@corinnefogarty7880]

Not all grandparents are like that, there are many that step up and change the lives of their grandchildren for the better.

[@hollydaugherty2620]

@@corinnefogarty7880 The point isn’t the grandparent’s parenting style but the effect that grandparents raising their grandchildren has on the kids relationship to their actual parents. It does change the dynamic drastically.

[@Meela234]

@@hollydaugherty2620 I agree. Allowing others to raise your children makes it hard for the parents to step back in and try to establish rules and boundaries later on. The bio parents are no longer seen by the child as the one who can tell them what to do after much time has passed of not being around to parent them. It does not sound like it in this video, but their grandmother raised them for the majority of their lives. Nikki tried to take over years later and it was too late by then.

[@cbesthelper404]

Where is the father? Why do grandmothers always get saddled with the responsibility of raising the grandkids?

[@tanikokishimoto1604]

Maybe Pappa was unsuitable as a father and uninterested in the kids.

[@cactusitude]

Men can't be bothered, so women get stuck with the burden

[@Westlakegal1]

@@tanikokishimoto1604

[@blinkypushbuttons]

Bc no one trusts the duds

[@jamesparlane9289]

What an absolute mess. The no boundaries concept was passed from mother to children. They will come out of prison much worse and far more dangerous.

[@LDiamondz]

This reminds me of a Tshirt my friend's mother used to wear. It said, "Mothers of teenagers KNOW why animals eat their young."

[@bthomson]

L D - They missed the bonding that can help get over the teenage rebellion. But DNA did seem to be against them as well as the grandmother's leniency.

[@sdlauzon]

I always enjoy your dry humor (e.g. “it’s not all bad, their prayers were answered”)

[@annwethenorth]

Right! Me too.

[@jeanash9502]

Profound,,,, explained so well of horrendous crime

[@SunkissedPeony]

She was actually alive when they dragged her into the bathtub. When they confessed they said she said "kill me now or I'll kill yall." Then she went under the water a few times and was gone. So sad her last moments were knowing she gave birth to her killers. They even stabbed her multiple times in the stomach. Just sick.

[@TheDramacist]

Dont believe the last words. The twins would obviously say this as part of their defence.

[@SunkissedPeony]

@@TheDramacist true

[@yt_fluffyplays7565]

​@@TheDramacist that's not the complete truth. I watched an actual documentary on csi and the day on when the girl confessed in 2014 they said nikki came home drunk the day she got killed on roughly 3 or 4 am the girls asked her please let us sleep a few hours later a 6am nikki woke up still drunk grabbed a pot/vase then started waving it hitting the girls with it the girls said stop she started calling them whores hoes bitches and stuff then the girls went to the kitchen for breakfast and nikki picked up a knife then started provoking them with it so technically it was nikkis fault 50% she made the girls snap but it was also the girls fault 50% because they could of stopped stabbing her 80 times.

[@yt_fluffyplays7565]

​@@SunkissedPeony that's not the complete truth. I watched an actual documentary on csi and the day on when the girl confessed in 2014 they said nikki came home drunk the day she got killed on roughly 3 or 4 am the girls asked her please let us sleep a few hours later a 6am nikki woke up still drunk grabbed a pot/vase then started waving it hitting the girls with it the girls said stop she started calling them whores hoes bitches and stuff then the girls went to the kitchen for breakfast and nikki picked up a knife then started provoking them with it so technically it was nikkis fault 50% she made the girls snap but it was also the girls fault 50% because they could of stopped stabbing her 80 times.

[@Ciara1594]

I saw this on Dateline and other true crime series. The reason the girls killed their mom was because with their great grandmother they were allowed to do anything they wanted. Even to seeing 30 plus year old men. The girls grandmother (the mother of their mother) was unhappy that they only received thirty years. She wanted them to get life in prison. 🙄

[@cajuncat1305]

their grandmother didn't want to get killed. smart move lol

[@BrendaBaBoom]

Those girls were apparently demonic.

[@janinemccartha1811]

Hi Dr. Grande. This is a terrible case of childhood neglect & mental/physical domestic abuse that could have been prevented. Drugs & alcohol were the main problem in this situation. Everyone is different although a good parent would've gotten their kids into some type of therapy. Psychonarcs do not have empathy & there feelings are none. Prayers go out to all for a better, brighter being. Enjoy being & have good emotions & you'll never lose in life. Love, Janine Smiley😏🤩😍😎😀🐼🐾🍐🥥🎂🍫🍯🥧☕🍩☕🎂☕🍯🐼🐾🦓🦄🆒️🇺🇸🇬🇧🏡🎡🎢🌝🌞🌚🌜🌛🌠🏡🎠🚘

[@MsSwitchblade13]

@@janinemccartha1811 you're replying to someone's comment and now on the regular comment section where Dr Grande can see it

[@tlc6756]

Interesting that the mother hooked up with a man 30 years older too. Sounds like several generations of a pretty dysfunctional family.

[@Evanthebat15]

This case to me is terryfizing, imagining Nikki trying to escape her daughters and fight them while they kill her, then they go on with their life like nothing happened. Dr Grande...I wonder if perhaps their Sociopathy & Psychopathy comes from their mother? As a psychologist, I'd have love to study them, its so rare to get identical twins that become killers, especially girls. Glad that they were separated and put in different prisons.

[@terenarosa4790]

@@Ass_of_Amalek i think it would be nice if it were a tv show and we could watch them.

[@ichabodcrane9479]

@@terenarosa4790 they would just revel in the attention. It may even cause copycat killers. Other teens looking for notoriety.

[@cheryl2103]

@@Ass_of_Amalek Nice ???

[@galenztwo]

@Evanthebat15 Not good that a psychologist doesn’t listen well, he said they did inherit those traits from their mother.

[@allydea]

I am wondering, and maybe you can answer this question, how come they were so different when they were younger. Is this mental illness trigger later in life by the teens hormones?

[@BunnyLang]

What a phenomenon, DNA as you pointed out re: Nikki's behavior as a teenager, and now the twins; two identical psychopaths--freakin' scary. Wonder what will happen when they get out of prison.

[@Dulcimertunes]

Hopefully NOT have children!

[@tlc6756]

Hopefully they won't have children

[@tasmeenbaker9912]

​@@tlc6756 Honestly who tf would wanna have kids with them? They look chopped af now, their horrible reputation and they'll be 46 by the time they get out and I'm pretty sure no man in the right mind would want a middle aged woman who wasted her youth in prison.

[@defunctdefunctdefunct]

Honestly, the neighbor most likely knew their family was problematic and didn’t want to be bothered.

[@PC4ever]

He was probably used to hearing them yell and scream all the time. They are teenagers.

[@andykerr3803]

Pretty obvious yhr mother was a weirdo as well. He might of thought the bf was involved. I also would not open the door. It must have been a zoo, especially at that time.

[@maureeningleston1501]

This case is so shocking. I can't imagine the horror of your children turning into a pair of wild animals and killing you.

[@eadweard.]

Yeah especially if it was zebras or something.

[@maureeningleston1501]

@@eadweard. 🤣😂🤣

[@tlc6756]

Unfortunately Mom set the stage by engaging in physical fighting with them before.

[@M.b-q-bn]

Maureeningleston. Really and I can’t as a parent imagine dumping my kids on their grandparents to raise. Having a partner and a 2nd partner when he’s out of town 😅😅 great Carole model this woman was

[@M.b-q-bn]

Role model meant

[@ggchronicles3417]

Dr Grande I just need to let you know how amazing your commentary and delivery is. I so appreciate you!!! GOD Bless 🙏

[@feleciaclemons5074]

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@Eliane544]

I agree. Thank you for so many cases! I like to hear your comments , very well delivered👍

[@skreemqueen7520]

This is a sad and terrifying case. I can’t imagine how Nikki felt in her last moments, knowing her own kids were killing her. Just horrible.

[@cherylcaardillo1702]

Crying sooooo Horrible

[@suzannethiele279]

Yes my brother tried to kill our mom. They’re both narcissists, she’s covert and always worshipped him, bails him out makes excuses for his abuse of others. She dropped charges (of course) and continues to be codependent with him. Gross and sad.

[@sunnycatc6491]

I know a few parents like this. They can't see (even after it happens! ) that the narcissistic child will turn on them in a heartbeat; blood ties mean nothing. I hope you're safely far far away from them.

[@zuglymonster]

Sounds like my exMIL. She'd tell me all the time she'd understand if I left her son, she knows how he is, etc Until I actually did leave him. She suddenly forgot about the time he kicked her door in because his dad didn't put his car stereo in fast enough, or when he held a knife to her throat, or kicked every door in our house off the hinges.......

[@violatorut2003]

@@zuglymonster what’s a exMIL? I genuinely don’t know.

[@cjsparkle100]

@@violatorut2003 Ex Mother In Law

[@violatorut2003]

@@cjsparkle100 oh ty, I assumed it meant ex-military lol

[@jameshughes525]

Those twins are pure evil their attitude after they were caught was horrific just pure disrespect towards their mother the police and everyone around them I'm so glad they got separated in prison

[@BrendaBaBoom]

Being [separated] in prison is probably the hardest & most major blow that affects them greatly …. as it should. They gotta “a long hoe to row.”

[@Flamsterette]

They wanted freedom, but didn't get it. The names she gave them are a problem, but that's no reason for murder.

[@jadetaylor2443]

I like how you get to point in your videos saying a lot but not using unnecessary information.

[@Violexie-wb7op]

Right? It's like an artform to be so concise.

[@theredrover3217]

Parenting seems to have been problematic on all fronts (mother, father, grandmother) I wonder if better parenting from an early age on could have improved or mitigated their personality problems. And could anything have been done if dangerous mental health recognized as children and receiving therapy? Scary shit - as if parents don't have enough to worry about raising children. SMH

[@Jen-X333]

Therapy is not going to do anything for psychopaths…probably was genetic.

[@DottieMinerva]

I’ve watched and read a lot on this case and she didn’t seem like a terrible mother to me. She should have been more involved in the early stages but when she tried to fix that it was too late. She was always trying to make a better life for them. A lot of it is generational which is why it’s important for parents to self reflect often.

[@amimi92]

@@DottieMinerva Yep the toxic traits being passed from generation to generation were very apparent in this case.

[@wpeniche]

@@DottieMinerva her last words to her kids were “kill be or ill kill you both!”. Pretty sure she was a piece of shit too

[@Becki545]

Seems some people are abused take it out on themselves while others take it out on others.

[@CarrietheCritic]

I remember this story. Those girls shouldn't have been left to stay with their mom.

[@troy3456789]

They were not in better hands with the other family member either. They were still going to go to prison no matter what; they would always end up hurting anyone in their presence.

[@CarrietheCritic]

@@troy3456789 - never mind. Sorry.

[@MM-hf6om]

The problem was they didn't have an authority figure. Mom was immature and grandma was passive. Don't know where the men were ( dad or granddad)

[@shrapnel77]

@@troy3456789 Hey, are you from Project Mayhem?

[@mustertherohirrim7315]

@@MM-hf6om crippin

[@jomama5186]

I remember hearing about this. It was so heartbreaking. I can't imagine how betrayed the Mom felt. Kids dont understand how much you love them. All the time and care you put into them. How you fall in love with them, while they are in your tummy. When they are born and before their first birthdays, they must receive at least a thousand kisses from you. All the times you spend looking at them and loving them. Counting their fingers and toes. I'm sure it hurt worse than the knife, to know they had so much hate for her that they killed her. I wonder where it came from?

[@annwilliams6438]

Unfortunately not all women feel motherly…

[@sharonsmalls6846]

Stopping by on holidays does not create a motherly bond.

[@bettinabarry8423]

What a horrible crime! Thank you Dr. Grande for your expert insights!

[@tod3msn]

Dysfunctional relationships gone off the rails into a tragic ending.

[@lnc-to4ku]

Such a chilling and extremely disturbing case....they're absolute monsters! Had to laugh when you said "It wasn't all bad news for Taz- her prayer was answered." 😅

[@samlsd9711]

Teens rage.....filled with stupidity and so much anger. And the mother never showed a true motherhood.... probably busy focusing on her job and how to pay the bills... Sad story.

[@BrendaBaBoom]

And she was distracted by male relationships.

[@samlsd9711]

@@BrendaBaBoom Yes, the worst thing a woman do is bring another man around the kids. My mother refused to get married after our father died and she lived all alone raising us. Sometimes I wish she got married but she knew better. Now growing up and seeing how it affects kids, I know now why she didn't. (In our religion boyfriends are not allowed either.)

[@gabe-po9yi]

What a horrible death, psychologically and physically, the mother suffered, knowing not only she was being killed, but by her daughters. She must have loved them; why else would she want to take on two highly rebellious teen girls. She didn’t want them to wind up pregnant at 17 like she had and limit their futures.

[@Aj-michele]

If she loved them she shouldn’t ever have been physically violent and found ways or support from classes to be able to be a better and stable parent

[@DrewIbarra714]

@@Aj-michele thank you for saying this, too many people are willing to see past all the pain these "parents" put their children through just cause they are "trying" now

[@Aj-michele]

@@DrewIbarra714 Right? But she wasn’t trying, she got custody back and then lost it again because of all the physical fights they’d get in. A judge gave her one last chance, a two week trial period of them all living together again even though the girls were adamant they didn’t want to live with her and within that 2 week period this happened. Supposedly she was trying to hit them with a pot and when one stopped her, she went for a knife and that’s when things escalated.

[@mariee.5912]

@@Aj-michele horrible case.

[@wpeniche]

Her last words to them were “kill me or ill kill you both”, yeh sounds like she was an abusive piece of shit

[@pxxxbxxx1981]

I don't blame the neighbor for not answering the door. I don't answer mine if I'm not expecting someone. Usually just door to door solicitors, but could also open the door to home invaders.

[@oOIIIMIIIOo]

Don't worry, no one will invade your home when you are screaming for help. 🙂

[@MissBliss818]

This is sad because this crime wasn't meant to happen. If their motive was simply that they wanted more freedom and to do what they please, it's just sad because had they not made this decision, by now, they both could have had their own lives, their own houses, jobs, and families of their own ... they were 16, and I know at 16 it's hard to imagine life outside your parents, school and siblings -- but 2 more years they would have been adults. They don't even have to visit their mom if they don't want to, once they're adults; so much potential and life skills lost -- for what, teenage angst? Even if there's more to the story, I've heard this motive before --- "they don't let me see my boyfriend"; "I just wanted to have the house to myself" -- FOR WHAT??!? To run around town for a few days with friends you probably won't even know in 5-10 years?? They always get caught, because they're too young to understand how forensics and the justice system works. Most (teens) get caught cause they can never shut up about it --- up to life in prison simply because you hate your said family member(s) and you want to stay up past your bedtime. It blows my mind how lives get destroyed simply because a teenager hates their parents (right now). These girls will never know if the mother they hated as teens, would have become their best friend as adults.

[@cajuncat1305]

They are psychopaths. Even if they were not behind bars now and enjoying their freedom, they will surely murder someone or some people in the future. As unfortunate as it is, their mother died for the sake of others. At least by being behind bars, it prevents other people from getting hurt.

[@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823]

A: probably not, but still.

[@lisamac8503]

I doubt they would have had families,jobs etc They are psychopathic and that does not go away in a few years Many kids including myself did not like the restrictions that my parents placed on me at 16 but I wasn't going to kill anyone over it I was able to figure out that in two years I could do what I wanted These girls were mentally unstable and always will be You are not factoring in the serious mental health issues these girls are sick and sickness such as this is not going to go away

[@rachelgooden9981]

Deep and profound and TRUE!!!!!!!!

[@ludmilamaiolini6811]

That’s too much pre frontal cortex activity for people like them

[@maliceinwonderland00]

This was a case of spoiled kids who didn't like rules and wanted to be adults and my sister used to be this way and it ended her up in jail. Luckily she never killed anyone and has now fixed her life. But I know this when I see it. These girls didn't want rules they wanted to party and I do not blame the mother for this. People need to stop blaming the mother because she didn't deserve to die. She was just trying to be a mother to them for christ sake!

[@LDiamondz]

Thank you! Well said. The mother is not to blame. She loved those kids. If she didn't, she'd have left them with their useless grandmother.

[@maliceinwonderland00]

@@LDiamondz Exactly its a mothers job to set rules she did nothing wrong.

[@shultsy100]

This was a story that I had heard of about three years ago. Until now I had never seen any pictures of the twins, or their mother but I knew the outcome. Upon first hearing of everything leading up to the crime I was hopeful for all of them but this unexpected HORRIFIC event happens and ALL hope disappears.

[@matthewlawrenson2734]

My sisters were twins. You've got to watch em.. Extremely powerful when acting as a team. No murder as such but really annoying sometimes😄

[@colleenv.9540]

"were"? I hope nothing bad happened to them.

[@oOIIIMIIIOo]

I have twin male cousins, their elder brother can tell you, too, what an adventure this is. 😄

[@matthewlawrenson2734]

@@colleenv.9540 leukemia unfortunatly, one twin out lived the other and is very happy. Life eh..Thank you though!

[@matthewlawrenson2734]

@@oOIIIMIIIOo anything in stereo packs a punch😊

[@rachelgooden9981]

@@matthewlawrenson2734 oh no. So sorry to hear that. 😞

[@brittneysperspective8433]

I always hated this story. 😞 They gotta sit in jail forever, and don’t even have their mother to comfort them or talk to them. Foolishness. Their grandmother enabled them too.

[@helpyourcattodrive]

The world is too unpredictable. I’m glad I’m single for life, no kids, and loving it. What a horrific story.

[@panushjo]

cope city

[@oOIIIMIIIOo]

Don't worry, someone elses kids can murder you, too. 😄

[@animalia9114]

Morning coffee with Dr Grande, thanks doc!

[@helpyourcattodrive]

Waiting for Grande … this sounds like an interesting one. Let’s do this! Thanks, Grande.

[@BucketHeadianHagg]

I just can’t even imagine one of my daughters hurting me in any way whatsoever! The world is losing its mind.

[@scottricci5063]

It's not losing its mind. It has lost its soul since Cain and Abel.

[@HypocritesExposd]

This was in 2010. This is nothing new. The world lost its mind long ago.

[@daniella8400]

I couldn’t imagine ever hurting my mom…. I could never!

[@linnyw1072]

My daughter bonded with my mother as her mom and even though she called me Mom,she thought of me as her equal until puberty then I became less than equal.i am lucky that she didn't kill me .she is 32 years old now and we don't speak.The only difference between my case and this is that my daughter acted out several after she left home at 17 .not before

[@dissidentfairy4264]

It's a tragic story! I feel there are three basic elements to being a good parent. I base it on my own childhood. There needs to be a balance between discipline and love and parents need to be good role models. In this situation it appears the teens had little discipline and they didn't respect their mother based on her lifestyle meaning her having a secondary boyfriend, and as the twins themselves stated their mother's alcohol and marijuana use. They apparently saw it as a double standard. In saying that, to kill ones parent is unimaginable and to stab her 45 times shows extreme hatred and a complete lack of conscience. What they did was pure evil.

[@rachelgooden9981]

No one deserves to die. But if they got so physical with their mom, it would only become worse as they get older. They showed many times that they don’t want to be around their mother. Full stop. With immature minds, they felt they had no alternative because this person keeps carrying them back home . They likely see the court as something serious too. I did at that age. Sad series of event.

[@jandoel]

Had only one of the twins actually committed the murder, they may have been able to get away with it. The identical DNA could have created enough reasonable doubt to convict just one of the twins

[@Arizona_lilly]

Yep 1 dna they have to prove it

[@MM-hf6om]

Luminol

[@babycakes8434]

Then the only one would have scratches and abbrasions on their hands.

[@Aj-michele]

Not necessarily, their skin particles and microorganisms on their skin are different. There can also be slight variations within their DNA that happened after the fertilized egg split in two.

[@TheBOG3]

@@Aj-michele The DNA is identical. Fingerprints can be different in identical twins but how do they check fingerprints on a body?

[@judithbradford9130]

what a sad case. I've sometimes wondered if twins have an increased propensity to the kind of folie a deux departure from wider society's value norms based on their reliance on another self 'just like them' they would trust, so it would be easier to validate each other into delusions or moral horrors.

[@mariee.5912]

Twins what?? Nope, my brothers are twins and they're lovely. Those twins suffered abandonment and all sort of abuses.

[@TheDramacist]

Immoral horrors, you mean? I entirely agree with you that THESE twins did have an issue with delusional narcissistic psychopathy. The two had a dangerous code pendency relationship. But do twins in general have this? No, ofc not. It would require a preexisting state of narcissism and/or other personality disorder.

[@mariee.5912]

@@TheDramacist agree.

[@Fadingroses19]

Never clicked faster in my life! Thanks for the upload!

[@heavenrains2432]

Great insight Dr Grande and that sense of humor on point as always 🧐☺️

[@Phyx1u5]

I love the docs humor. its so dry I had to drink a gallon of water to rehydrate

[@annwethenorth]

I love this

[@camilohiche4475]

Deadpan delivery of a combo of "double" puns. 10/10 performance.

[@drunkenrampage1588]

"Prepare for trouble, and make it double."

[@feleciaclemons5074]

Dr. Grande... This case has always tripped me out.....

[@clarissa8477]

Alright, the amount of times Dr Grande used the word “double” at the end got me 😂

[@annwethenorth]

Lol right. He's very punny.

[@christiromaro7224]

Such an interesting situation, I wonder if one of the girls was the ringleader and the other a follower, I suppose we will never know

[@emmaphilo4049]

They should be studied especially because they are identical twins too. Puts the question of nurture/nature into perspective when it comes to psychopathy and antisocial personnality disorder.

[@oOIIIMIIIOo]

I think there always is, in any group.

[@betsylaughlin8652]

Yes! There are other instances of twins (yes girls!) killing their mother together. You are on to something. Someone needs to interview them.

[@donnawilliams4922]

Ironically, these twin girls murdered the very woman that not only conceived them as a teenager, but chose to go through with her pregnancy and give birth to them. Other seventeen year old pregnant girls might have considered giving them up for adoption or even abortion. But she chose to keep and raise them instead and that's the thanks she got. It's so sad.

[@ari-jv]

They didn’t ask to be born..Nikki isn’t a saint for opening her legs

[@BeesWaxMinder]

Yet another genius decision by the courts🙄 4:40 - to be fair to the neighbour, perhaps he had had enough trouble from these neighbours in the past and probably deeply regrets not answering the door now anyhoo, so…yeah.

[@DameVonBonDaisy]

Kids these days are scary on a whole new level

[@CMarkem]

So dramatic

[@hydrolito]

Too many children are ungrateful and spoiled rotten.

[@aaronbirook4367]

Who spoiled them? Fairies broke into the parents house at night? Who?

[@DameVonBonDaisy]

@@CMarkem umm, it's true tho... with mental health being in crisis- and no true sense of identity- yeah- it's dramatic bc it is

[@DameVonBonDaisy]

@@aaronbirook4367 I don't think it's bc their spoiled that their acting this way- its bc many are growing up without any proper guidance, whether you over parent or under parent, either can be an issue. Kids today seem so weak- one time yelling at them and they will call cps and say that they have been traumatized

[@karlepaul6632]

As someone who's pretty tight with his parents (particularly my mother, because, c'mon, she's my mom) this is just something so inconceivable. Sucks they got a plea deal, as I can't imagine how if these two decided they could take the life of someone with blood ties, then one would assume taking out someone they had even less of a connection too would be that much easier. Am I wrong in assuming that? Anyway, that's just my take. Another great video doc, keep it up!

[@dammar117]

Not just someone with blood ties: their mother, who carried them in her womb for nine months and gave birth to them.

[@karlepaul6632]

@@dammar117 Exactly!👍

[@agostinodublino1387]

Dr Gande, we had a case in Italy just one year ago, where two adult daughters killer their mother, Laura Ziliani. Maybe it could be interesting

[@annwethenorth]

Good suggestion

[@TheBOG3]

Did they say why they killed their mother?

[@agostinodublino1387]

@@TheBOG3 all began when one of the sisters (27) began a relationship with a self proclaimed opera singer (of course he actually did nothing for work, in his life..) and then this young man started to have sex with the other sister too (19). The future victim, the mother, was a retired traffic warden that saved money for all her life and was finally able to buy some houses to get money from tourists, for rent. The opera singer was able to persuade the two sisters (one worked as physiotherapist, the youngest one was an economics student) that "to wait for the inheritance takes too long" (mainly because he was NOT beneficiary of nothing.. he could not marry both the sisters) so they drugged an herbal tea they served to the mother THE DAY OF THE MOTHER'S DAY and they even made a heart -shaped cake for the victim, then as she fall asleep, they strangled her, with various methods because "she didn't died", then they hide the body in the forest, and right away, the 3 idiots, in a couple of hours they called police, tv and newspapers crying out loud, that "the mother didn't returned from hiking and she was surely injured or dead" (of course everyone was like.. ehm.. WHAT? ..maybe she's just sitting in a diner drinking her coffe or chatting with a friend... why she should be dead?"). Meanwhile before anyone wasn't able yet to find the mother, the "opera singer" (a creepy narcissist, church enthusiast, all selfies and self celebrating) was already gone around every single house owned by the victim, with HIS PARENTS, to ask and collect the rent money... ! Sorry for my poor english and if I remembered some element not precisely, I'm recalling the story just by memory

[@sampfancresta930]

I feel most sorry for the handicapped innocent sister of the murderers; she lost her mother and caregiver at the hands of her sisters.

[@cosmicgirl7288]

@@agostinodublino1387 thank you for sharing the story I will look it up!. What disgraceful pieces of garbage!.

[@marilynmcmahon5932]

A great grandmother might be to old to care for 2 teenagers.

[@MiguelDLewis]

Not if they have a generational curse of teenage fornication and motherhood.🙏🏾✝️🕊

[@beverlybalius9303]

All Grandparents older than 50 should not have custody of Grandchildren. They are too old to take babies and kids.

[@kikismama]

This case chills me to the bone! Evil bitches! That’s all I can say about them. The words sociopath and psychopaths come to mind too. I think they should have gotten life in prison, no possibility of parole. Their mother never had a chance against both of them wanting to kill her! That must have been horrifying for their mother, she absolutely didn’t deserve that! Now they get to spend 30 years in prison (they better not be let out any earlier than that). What a great life they created for themselves. 👿 💔

[@blackcherry07]

Maybe she called them “bitches” and that’s why they murdered her

[@bernicegoldham1509]

@@buktomsin there's only two people to blame for her murder.. kind of the overarching point.

[@aaronbirook4367]

The mom deserved it

[@colleenv.9540]

@@buktomsin Yes, predominantly blue, with occasional rainbows (I couldn't help my comment, since you used the term overarching). 🌈

[@colleenv.9540]

OOPS -- sorry buktomsin, Bernice Goldham is the one who used the term "overarching."

[@meenki347]

As I watch these videos. I can't help but think how narcissist and selfish people can be, today. But were things any different before, when not a hundred years ago large gatherings of people (including families) would delight in torture and lynch for public spectacle. How would you diagnose these spectators and how it might possibly effect their children?

[@Arizona_lilly]

Yep this has happened do u think they care if babies or children saw. Not at all

[@defunctdefunctdefunct]

Exactly. A lot of people say “Omg, what has the world come to.” But people have always been like this, now we have little devices in our hands to remind us daily.

[@heathernikki5734]

@@defunctdefunctdefunct so true

[@mamacito1795]

Talk about grandma (or great grandma i forget which) being permissive. She still absolutely supports these girls and cant wait for them to be released. In fairness she had the inside track on their lives so maybe she understands the reasons why they went full on murder better than anyone.

[@kjay15993]

Horrible situation.. so sad. Them girl was lucky to have a mother a d grandma that was good to them and cared for them.

[@soilmanted]

Saying that the twins had "psychopathic and narcissistic characteristics" does not really explain their behavior. It merely provides a name to their behaviors. "Psychopathic" and "narcissistic" are words used by the psychiatry and psychology professions; they are professional jargon. They don't tell us very much more than the words that people use in ordinary everyday parlance, for behaviors. _Psychopathy_ means little more than "insanity that has become antisocial." _Narcissism_ has long been used in ordinary everyday parlance, as well as in psychological jargon, and in both languages, it means self-admiration. In psychological jargon it takes on the added meaning of self-admiration to a troubling degree, to degree that causes social problems.

[@eadweard.]

I think saying they had such characteristics was intended more as an observation than an explanation.

[@soilmanted]

@@eadweard. From hearing dr Grande's remarks, that is what I would think too. And I don't think the word _psychopathy_ is a DSM diagnosis, but I believe "narcissistic personality disorder" is. And it don't think the diagnosis explains anyone's behavior; it just describes it.

[@browniehendricks3726]

Look into the case of Martha Ann Johnson. She murdered all four of her children. She killed one each time her husband left her. You can do research in the Atlanta Journal Constitution. Thanks for hard work. You are a great teacher.

[@catherinecarmichael3180]

I would love to hear about Julie Schnecker , very sad but complex case.

[@carlosvile9832]

The court should have never given the mother custody. When you are dealing with children who are almost adults, they should have some say as to who wins custody.

[@kristina4272]

Always enjoy your humor in these grim stories.

[@agostinodublino1387]

the treshold 🤣😂🤣🤣

[@annwethenorth]

✌️🇨🇦

[@lisaperry5999]

Idk if you have analyzed this case. Dr.William Petit in Connecticut It was so horrific the state offered ptsd counseling to the jury.

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

Great analysis Dr. Grande, thank you.❤️

[@annwethenorth]

It's nice to see Dr.Grandes OG peeps like me. The comments section isn't as wonderful as it used to be. Cheers ✌️🇨🇦

[@emilye126]

I watch ur videos after hectic day at work..they relax me.

[@julieyoung3315]

Good Day, Dr. Grande.

[@maryreynolds6188]

Besides horrifying… it evoked a question as to whether there is adequate foster “institutions” available for such difficult cases.

[@petejames1326]

when DR GRANDE SAID, I WANT MY MOMMY, I LOST IT, ROFL!!!😇😵‍💫😵😮🙄😊

[@zsazsatitus9956]

I think when you spoil kids you really do create a monster that will hurt you when they don't get their way. I remember getting slapped for wearing blush as a freshman to school. The thought of slapping my mother back never not ever entered my mind. Really sad story. RIP

[@kvacka]

Unfortunately it's not unheard of that two teenage daughters killed their mother. Search for Linda Andersen, there's even a movie about it with Abigail Breslin as a lead role. Would be nice to see your comparison.

[@susanohnhaus611]

I've seen this switch flip in kids when puberty and hormones set in. The problem is that parents don't recognize that it's something they can do something about. They think if they pray harder, go to church more, clamp down on the supervision, etc, it will sort itself out. Unfortunately it usually takes medication along with therapy. I definitely think it has a genetic component.

[@adayinforever]

One messed up kid? That's life, stuff happens. Two messed up kids?: It's fair to say she wasn't a good mom. I feel bad for her, but I get the feeling she had a part in agitating her kids to go this far.

[@smallmevt]

They wanted to smoke & steal and have sex !!! They didn’t like rules… their was rules in the mother House….. they didn’t like that … like most teenagers they get a little taste of sex and drugs they think they’re grown and nobody should tell them nothing!!!

[@adayinforever]

@@smallmevt some people should just not become moms I'm sorry.

[@adayinforever]

@@smallmevt what does that have anything to do with what I said?

[@adayinforever]

@@smallmevt I'm the same age as the woman, when she died, in this story. What does respect for elders have to do with anything? Everyone deserves basic respect but nobody is owed more respect based on their age.

[@julieyoung3315]

This is why when my kids said they didn't want to go to school, I said o.k. What a story. 👌👌

[@mikeemswiler4541]

thank you for these vids

[@fungussf]

Lots of people don't answer their doors. It's not at all uncommon. If someone rings our doorbell I'll check the camera, but not answer unless it's someone I'm expecting.

[@fairplayer7435]

Who is their biological father? Many children find it hard to face life without the safe boundaries established early by a male parent.

[@LDiamondz]

She had the twins at 17. 'Dad' probably did a cut and run. Should we blame him, too? I put no blame on the mother. Those kids were psychopaths.

[@fairplayer7435]

@@LDiamondz of course I blame him. I blame all the adult parties in this tragic saga because the kids were conceived and raised in dysfunction.

[@LDiamondz]

@@fairplayer7435 Well, you do make a fair point. It also seems like parenting skills were past down from Nikki's parents. Multi generational dysfunction passed down to the psychopathic twins.

[@fairplayer7435]

@@LDiamondz Exactly right. Multi generational curses. Imagine the type of offspring these twins would have brought into the world if they'd had a chance. Just more inmates and psychopaths.

[@wearelegion1163]

Such nonsense you spew 🤦‍♀️

[@superhamhams6586]

Thank you again, doctor!

[@kiefferz5556]

People that murder strangers or family members will have to stand before the Father one day and be judged and be held accountable for there actions

[@JohnnyTong215]

A sick world we live in!!! They should’ve just been with their dad!!!! There was no need for the murder of their mom!!!!

[@bradchervel5202]

Dad???

[@MiguelDLewis]

They probably would've murdered him to, assuming the mom even knew who the dad was. This is why it's so wise to wait until marriage as God commands.

[@emmaphilo4049]

What dad??? Where

[@Arizona_lilly]

The dad lives w their mom he was on the road as a trucker that’s why she was having affairs I believe the mom was a trick she kept the old man around but dates other men

[@heathernikki5734]

@@Arizona_lilly they had an open marriage

[@blackopal3138]

Involuntary manslaughter is 30 yrs?! Holy crap. What's the point? It's the same penalty as 2nd degree, even 1st degree murder. ... and, I think that judge made a huge mistake, sending them home 'to see how it goes for 2 weeks.' They really didn't want to go, so they are being moved from their home, put in a home they don't want to be in, and told, if it doesn't work out, they will be moved again. So, he gives them control of their fate, and to get what they want, they have to cause problems. Plus at their age, they need stability. That judge doused them all in gasoline, and put them in a room with a million dollars rigged to the switch of a lighter. Peace

[@btetschner]

It says a lot that Nikki was lived with her grandmother and then sent her twin daughters to live with her too (she was their great-grandmother!). It also says a lot that Nikki was married to a husband 30 years older than her, had a boyfriend, and her husband agreed to the arrangement. Very interesting case, mostly because of the homicidal twins. Thank you for the video.

[@steveptasznik6147]

She was a terrible mother, but obviously didn't deserve this. Putin, on the other hand...

[@klumpytheklown3798]

Much like Hitler...

[@paperchaser29]

Thank you for this most interesting case. For me, it really serves to underscore the harshness of the sentence the Menendez brothers received (lIfe without the possibility of parole) for killing their parents despite the strong evidence of abuse by the parents that was presented at trial.

[@vbrown6445]

These girls accepted a plea deal. The Menedez brothers would have gotten a lesser sentence had they done the same.

[@paperchaser29]

@@vbrown6445 In 2017 Lyle said that they weren't given a chance at a plea deal and that they should have had one.

[@icturner23]

It’s not *so* unheard of. Two Canadian sisters also killed their mother, just as heartlessly as these two.

[@khadijahnyabinghi]

The mother should have just agreed to let them continue living with their Great Grand Mother until they went through that phase. Allow them to learn from their own actions and face consequences since they refused to listen to their mother. It wouldn't have been the end of the world.

[@MM-hf6om]

Till they tried to kill a boy for leaving or cheating on them

[@LDiamondz]

They murdered their mother. They were psychopaths. That's not a 'phase'.

[@LDiamondz]

@@MM-hf6om agreed. 👍

[@khadijahnyabinghi]

@@LDiamondzYou are the one who is referring specifically to the murder of their mother as a phase. I did not say that. Your comment shows a lack of insight and utter stupidity. Get your facts right and don't attempt to put words in my mouth.

[@emmagatewood3898]

Yeah, I kind of agree. Once they put hands on their mom, that bond of respect was broken and they shouldn't have been living there with her anymore. Forcing teenagers to live with you when they're vehemently opposed to living with you probably isn't gonna go well, especially when they outnumber you two to one.

[@williamsromero1651]

Dr grande you should analyze the Jennette McCurdy case.

[@MsLauroraBorealis]

Dr. Grande, is narcissism something you're born with or does it develop over time influenced by your upbringing and environment?

[@snotbot3384]

There’s some debate on the source of narcissism but I believe it comes from childhood dysfunction, either too much praise or not enough(obviously more complicated than just that) cluster B personality disorders tend to form from childhood trauma. I recommend checking out Kanika Batra’s channel, she’s diagnosed narcissistic and and ASPD (psychopathic in layman’s terms) and provides a lot of unique insight.

[@SunShine-vo8kj]

I do believe some people are just born evil.

[@TH-eb5ro]

@@SunShine-vo8kj I agree and being NPD does not mean a person is evil.

[@SunShine-vo8kj]

@@TH-eb5ro NPD is more of a mental illness, however they do have evil traits. For example many have committed murder. I was just making a statement that yes some are born evil.

[@babycakes8434]

I know a narcissistic mother, and her 5 year old daughter shows signs of being a narcissist. It is scarry to see it in kids.

[@solutionsforabrightfuture3579]

So when 2 minors are tried for a crime then magically they become adults but not when choosing who to live with? Vengeance not justice. Make up your mind are they adults or minors?

[@MM-hf6om]

It's not just about circumstances of the environment. It's circumstances of the act. The more brutal the act the less empathy involved and there's no cure for a lack of empathy. You either have it...or you don't

[@pamelasenatore7746]

I saw this case on ID or twins that kill and they did not explain the case as well as Dr Grande. I look forward to all of your videos and I like them ALL. You are a brilliant scientist!!

[@annwethenorth]

I love these comments from his fans 💝 it's nice to see the OG Grande fans like me. Cheers ✌️🇨🇦

[@emmaphilo4049]

How do we stop the cycle of violence? What do we do for maladaptive human beings transmitting issues to their kids? .... Seems like there is no solution.

[@colleenv.9540]

Is anyone else watching "highlights" of the Cruz trial? I'm purposively not watching the entire thing -- VERY traumatic.

[@emmaphilo4049]

@@colleenv.9540 Oh no that's horrible, I don't think it'll be good for my mood to watch this.... I alreadu watch enough true crime!

[@gailkelly4651]

Hello Dr. Grande...I do love your videos and looking at you.... listening to your soft voice with your humor. Its 340 am Thursday morning...catch up time so I start here and go backwards. Thank you.. you're so handsome . 🙋❤️🇺🇸😎

[@AmericanObserver-kq7ye]

They each got 30 years in prison for manslaughter instead of what actually happened. They planned to kill their mother a short time before they murdered her. It was premeditated first degree murder. The judge made a miscarriage of justice in his judgment and sentence of those two malicious murderers.

[@andreasmith1802]

Culture is so important. I first heard this story on the Sistas that Kill podcast, which is a podcast by two black women. They went into how positive the girls were doing with their grandmother as well as the fact that mom was neglectful and before getting with the old man, basically had the grandmother raising them while she ran the street. Just interesting to hear the story analyzed the total opposite way

[@dariamancini963]

Well that was disturbing as hell

[@annal7364]

Best comment today. 😄