| Identity Crisis at War Gaming | World of Tanks Modern Armor |

[@garyreed8854]

I started playing war thunder first and HATED that game with a PASSION. Who the hell wants to play a tank game where you can get one shotted all over the map in ANY tank you are in. Not me that's who. I have more fun playing world of tanks because at least you get to play longer than the BS that war thunder has.

[@leandrogutierrez6535]

Nice for you men, for me I prefer war thunder and I have tier 10 in wot ps5 and wot blitz

[@paoxley]

Interesting comparison and forward thinking. I enjoy wot cw. My only gripe is the communication between team mates - it must improve. A teammate recently butted my tank and I thought he was harassing me but in reality he was trying to warn me of the enemy on my flank . This is an important aspect of the game that needs to improve. COMMUNICATION.

[@AsgardsTyr]

Then use your headset. I'm usually the only one in the team with a headset. Nobody listens or answers.

[@jacobsekela8691]

Gameplay and the playerbase have only gotten worse since Cold War was added. It’s specifically designed to cater to total noobs, window-lickers, and casuals with zero skill.

[@paoxley]

@@AsgardsTyr I thought that was only for platooning - that's for that

[@AsgardsTyr]

@@paoxley You can switch it on in the configuration and then hear everyone and talk to everyone. The platoons can switch off so that everyone can listen.

[@Robodogggg]

​​@@jacobsekela8691WWII is specially designed for stupid morons which love sitting there in the arty and push the button to shoot on a damn slowly heavy and feeling good about that.

[@wongwillis3094]

The most unrealistic issue of both WOT and WT is the gun barrel can through the wall, rock, and other tanks

[@SupremeSquirrel]

I don’t find any problems with WG to be honest, yes there are some problems with the game itself and its mechanics but you need to give them time to fix it. I’m not saying one is better than the other, but personally I like WoT more than WT. It just fits my play style. No matter what happens it’s my favorite game and I will continue to play it. Maybe war thunder suits you more, and feel free to play it but there’s no need to slander WoT and promote War thunder, both are great games and playing either one isn’t wrong.

[@Bagledog5000]

They’ve had eight years since I started playing to fix some of the problems the majority of the community complain about, yet somehow they never do. Sometimes they even create random irritations, the commander system being a prime example. For example I pick an American commander, why is the first tank that shows up in the assignment queue a German or mercenary tank? Why are the tanks mixed up in some random hodgepodge of nations instead of grouped together by same nation? It’s asinine, and that’s just one thing.

[@JustaCone]

Its really motivating and cathartic to see someone else have an issue with the realism argument being brought up in an arcade game.

[@danceswithmules]

Interesting commentary, and you certainly raise some good questions. I've always views WoT as an arcadey game with a nod to realism, even in the WWII mode. Even RNG was a quick'n'dirty way to model the uncertainty of real-world application. I always thought of Warthunder's mechanic of shells always going exactly where you aim less than realistic.

[@JasonMarshall-mq2bu]

Rikki, either you are overthinking this or struggling for content to put out. People are going to stick with the game they initially got into. I doubt anyone that invested hundred of ours grinding through lines and buying premium tanks WoT will switch to another game because they are getting similar.

[@injusticecombohub2620]

I think Ricki raises beautiful points, he's asking questions that all players should be. He's doing more by using his channel to create a platform where he can address WG openly and he's starting a conversation that players and WG need to be talking about... ie what is this games future? and what is its direction? To my perspective Soo far WG's game development plan is Drip feed more premiums and milk the players for every dollar!

[@mrgiant7926]

I started playing WOT console on the beta when you needed a disc. I have to say that recently Cold War has completely revitalised my interest in this game. Got to love firing missiles across the map!

[@bransonc5559]

Great questions for both parties. I believe you have valid points and they should be answered via action in game and developers feedback! 👏🏻 I would like to see wargaming develop a realistic mode that is available in game alongside the option to play arcade mode.

[@jayfro8340]

How about a simple game mode called hardcore where you dont have to deal with their BS RNG and when you hit an unsuspecting tank they are taken out with one shot.

[@Crazydevil66748]

Wot has the potential to challenge wt if they started making real changes and added alot more tanks to the tech trees and did proper balance patches

[@papillon5537]

It’s getting a little better after introducing min distance for ATGM , but the Fxxing Wisael is still there, the ridiculous invisibility should be fixed now!

[@idislikeamx40]

wiesel isn’t op anymore camo is about all it has

[@GlitchyGamers18]

For me I also feel like the main reason wot console in general is not where it used to be is that it’s atmosphere isn’t the same as before 6.0 which I didn’t understand until I played pc. The game just doesn’t seem to have a ‘soul’ like it used to. Looking back at videos of pre 6.0 the breadth of content and map atmosphere really made it feel alive. Every map feels synthetic and the tanks don’t really have the same feeling. Console is in the awkward place where it’s between being wot pc for console and it’s own thing, overshadowed by both wot pc and WT. Cold War is not unique enough in feel compared to WT and the lack of limited time modes, different and imo inferior research of modules make it inferior to pc. For me it needs to get back it’s wide range of different content such as the return of war stories, additions like LTM’s (the last waffentrager, Mirny 13) to really see the game come alive. Until that point I’m not sure we will see much growth.

[@TheSergio2713]

I completely agree with you, 6.0/Moder Armor was a stupid idea of an arrogant and bad management (always remember WoT is not from WGCB, they only manage on console a game created and thought by others) that did not know its own game. Those in charge now are in a difficult situation; they can't seem to turn back because too much time and money has been burned, but they also don't know how to carry forward an idea that is fundamentally “alien” in World of Tanks, as Riki rightly says (note: on PC WG made sure to stay very far away from TV, missiles, machine guns and so on, at the moment); to be more clear, just two little examples: is it normal that there are the same tanks (you don't just add/remove a letter to the name to make them different) in two separate part of the same game, WWII and Moder Armour, with very different features and game mechanics?; why in MA, with True Vision, is there still auto-AIM exactly with WWII mechanics? 🤔

[@GlitchyGamers18]

@@TheSergio2713 I wouldn’t say 6.0 was a completely stupid idea, but it had terrible execution. Moving away from Xbox 360 and I think the ps3 was a bad idea even if understandable. Adding a mode like Cold War would have been received much better if there weren’t as many other changes, like completely removing medals, new and I know have to say a worse in-match GUI, the culling of war stories, change to the graphics engine ruined an otherwise interesting update

[@TheSergio2713]

@@GlitchyGamers18 you say it yourself when you list the flaws: overall a bad idea. TV is a feature that has nothing to do with everything else in the game mechanics of WOT (did you ever wonder how it is possible that in Moder Armor there is “true vision” but at the same time auto-AIM with a limited range of vision, exactly like in WWII?, what's the point of that?.... and almost everyone at the end shoots in the range of vision using the “red outline”, note). I wonder why TV, Eras system, machine guns, and ATGM are only there on consoles and everyone who thought of and approved them has been fired?... does that seem like a coincidence to you?.6.0 came very close to killing the game, it took months just to make an almost complete list...almost, because many flaws are still there...of the problems its introduction created. After years, even today, the Yolo/MA way of the game is the least appreciated, compared to the classic WWII (when they had unveiled 6.0, WGCB had said that in WWII there would be many bots, because most of the players would immediately move to MA ... at the end of all I never saw a bot in WWII, in MA many...); only meanwhile it turned the whole game into a giant “Yolo camp”, making everything much more “stupid” and less interesting/intelligent to play

[@rickybuhl3176]

Cool - I just redownloaded the game after effectively a couple years away playing Tarkov and some RPGs. Not played yet but think it's gonna be handy to get your perspective now that you've been outside the bubble. Edit: BSG often struggled with being consistent in their arguments in the past, twisting and writhing to excuse/justify mechanics. They made one point for one thing and then ignored it when introducing the next thing, it was unnecessarily frustrating, imo.

[@MuhammadAdalAbidNoor]

RIKI I WOULD LIKE YOUR OPINION ON THIS TOO: imo wot is easy to learn but hard to play while wt is hard to learn and hard to play. wot gives u freedom to customize your tank and do whtever you you want to do in a game whether it br yolo or camp. although the vehcles have roles it does not enforce you and the game is decided by the players not the mechanics while in wt aa can only hit planes. hts can only fight. LTs can only spot and tdS can only camp. furthermore the respawn system does not give as much value of one life like wot. if u die ur dead and thats what engages u to think strategically instead of just and act according. the other thing is that the hit points in wot gives a player an idea of what move su can mak and if u need team support or not while in wt u just track somenone go behind and they are dead. wot although with its issues of prems etc is still supirior because of its unique and interesting mechanics and thats why i enjoy it. i tried wt but gave up after 2 weeks. becuase the new mechanics were hard to understand and alot more rng based than wot. i mean if wot were not famous why would it have a chinease rip-off called tank company i mean its litrally wot on mobile. wg is improving as a company i can see it but the player base is confused. the prem spammers blame the wg for poor tams and the newbies blame wg for too many prems. i think its fine. play what u like but wot is incomparable to wt as they are NOT similar. besides having tanks. but both are games are good no one game is bad is bad. ( P.S: wt has israeli tanks so u choose heh).

[@Rikitikitave]

Hi, reading this it sounds very much like you've got the two games the wrong way around. "wot gives u freedom to customize your tank" - It does however the customization in WT is superior. "do whtever you you want to do in a game whether it br yolo or camp" - That's player choice, you can do that in both games. "while in wt aa can only hit planes" - The ZSU-57-2 would disagree. "LTs can only spot" - Lights are probably the most lethal in WT. "tdS can only camp" - No they're pretty darn good with their bigger guns. "the respawn system does not give as much value of one life like wot" - If you want to progress then you'll take care of each tank and try to play it right. "hit points in wot gives a player an idea of what move su can mak and if u need team support or not" - Yes, hit points are safety net, WT takes that safety net away. Hit points also mean you can get away with being careless. "and alot more rng based than wot" - As far as I know there is no RNG in WT. Like I said in the video, now that Cold War exists with modern tanks, WG has stepped into the arena with Gaijin. The games weren't competing before but now they are.

[@MuhammadAdalAbidNoor]

@@Rikitikitave i understand brother i just think the games are too dissimilar in terms of playstyle and mechanics to be compared but i get what u are saying in this video.

[@allanriggs788]

I think Cold War was designed to stop existing WG customers jumping ship to warthunder. They needed to expand the game, or make MM changes like +/-1MM. They chose expansion to try to broaden the appeal and the player base to those disillusioned with WW2 MM. Realism is never achievable and WG will always sell aliens, pirates, Warhammer tanks to make money. So I suspect the reality of your question is that it's the other way round. Cold War is a challenge to Warthunder type games, but on WGs own terms - a crossover in effect.

[@bangboats3557]

Interesting discussion piece. I've played both but for me it's apples to oranges. WOT is fast, abstract, arcadey, unrealistic. WT is slower paced, less abstract, more "realistic" and more sim-like. I play WOT simply because I don't have the time to get to grips with WTs more extensive controls and game mechanics, especially on console. CW mode in WOT was just a reason to give players something different; I prefer it because of true vision and no arty for a few reasons, plus tanks I like that I grew up reading about. WOT CW is never going to, or was meant to be, a challenge to WT; the game engine is all wrong, you would have to change/add just too much to even get close, and I don't see that as being WeeGee's focus. The games co-exist because what they offer is so different. If you want more realism, and more mechanics to master, play WT. If you want a fun faster arcade experience, play WOT MA. Neither game is completely realistic, WOT being far more less so, therefore I think the use of the word "realism" in respect to either should be taken as "realism in as far as the game experience defines". Great editorial though, thought provoking, thanks for your input.

[@brealistic3542]

Ever played the game PANZER ELITE , the first version? The developers really had tank game mechanics figured out. One started out with fully trained crews. If one lost a crewman to a injury or death you picked another crewmember from the motor pool and maybe a tank. One operated a squadron of tank bots that you gave instructions to. If your tank got hit or disabled you personally took over another of your squad tank like real life commanders often did. As you got more experienced you could get better tanks if you survived. Same as real life. You had the options to pick the best crewmen from the pool. Eventually you had to pick what was left with less skills. The maps were large and not corridor maps and one had to complete actual realistic missions to move up in rank and better tanks unlike WT or WOTs. One had a actual interior in ones tank and could choose what position to crew. They even had primitive enemy soldiers. Much more fun and realistic. The graphics were bad though. The missions were based on Small scale historical battles with historical objectives. Not the bs objectives WoT and WT have at all. WOT Normandy campaign was a nice start. Now it's gone. Replaced with silly nonsense. If you possibly can get a hold of this first version. I can't explain it all. Thanks pal. Your doing a nice service for the tank gaming community.

[@Polle6870]

I would also very much know where the game is heading, is there going to be some improvements, or just keep on going the same path. The barn bouncing on the fv107 is just 😳 Shells just disappearing through the target doing zero damage, whilst premiums getting released left right and center and the money hunger with no end. Better rng perhaps, or even new or updated maps would be pleasent aswell.

[@ghettostreamlabs5724]

If I wanted things to be realistic, I would re-enlist as a 19K.

[@cb3391]

WoT has been confused about itself, since I started playing....

[@CliffNark]

Riki, you really should use a camo net on your Shitbarn. It makes a huge difference

[@kenwood7656]

Good reflection on the game Riki, lets hope WG is doing something. Maybe WG has a ticket for it. Or not.

[@jonrobson3115]

Realism? A HEP round hitting hull or turret will take out the crew. APFSDS? Same result. HEAT? Yup. Old school M60 Cavalry here. The new stuff seems even more deadly.

[@jayfro8340]

The RNG has been such a joke the last couple weeks that none of my friends or myself have been playing WOT.

[@milad7764]

Well, what makes me to uninstall the game few months ago was the fact that game was stupidly unblanced. It's not fun neither to play with unblanced tanks, nor play against them. Also the commandar skills is too poor. They have to return the old commandar slots.

[@DolfVaderNZ]

I play both. I dont care, I love tanks.

[@Thehoneybadg3r]

If Wargaming added something like the Battle hits mod that they have on PC!? Then want to know why a shot bounced? + Battle hits = problem solved....so we can actually see for ourselves easily 👍

[@itsybitzy5374]

Jo u playing with xbox yea? Do u have T1 or T2 tanks? In world of tanks ^^

[@karnieclown1]

simply put dont display penetration value if it has no effect hence RNG

[@karnieclown1]

get rid of bots too before that becomes the biggest player base AI doesn't buy premium tanks

[@ishtarofakkadt.6416]

I'm sure war gaming is focused on Project CW instead.

[@rogerpoole8253]

I think they need true vision in WW2 as an alternative version. That may make a difference because warthunder is WW2

[@rogerpoole8253]

Isn't

[@ecocutslawncare7913]

That’s why I can’t play ww2. The Only problem would be with artillery

[@jacobsekela8691]

True Vision in WW2 would completely kill the game as we know it. There is a reason the community rejected it when it was first tested in 2020. And yet the Devs still forced it on the community when Cold War was added.

[@rogerpoole8253]

There is a significant number of cold war players that would happily play a true vision version of WW2. FYI Not everybody hated true vision when it was tested

[@rogerpoole8253]

​@jacobsekela8691 nobody forces you to play cold war. It's a choice

[@rickkoby954]

Dude you're way overthinking this. Like every game out on the market, there are differences between games and you look for those differences to suit your needs. War gaming is doing just fine. You don't need to create clickbait controversy, and if you don't like war gaming, that leave it.

[@injusticecombohub2620]

I think Ricki raises beautiful points, he's asking questions that all players should be. He's doing more by using his channel to create a platform where he can address WG openly and he's starting a conversation that players and WG need to be talking about... ie what is this games future? and what is its direction? To my perspective Soo far WG's game development plan is Drip feed more premiums and milk the players for every dollar!

[@jayfro8340]

No he is not, to many people have spent to much money on this game for the developers to just spit on the customers.

[@paulthecpa2717]

Riki is spot on with his analysis. And if he was talking about owing a kitchen appliance then your answer of “ just leave it” is correct. I don’t like the toaster I bought, I’ll return it and spend my money elsewhere. The cost of the toaster is all I have invested. But he’s talking about a SERVICE that we pay for and have invested hundreds of hours and perhaps hundreds dollars into. So like any other consumer service relationship, the customer has a responsibility to criticize the service provider when the service provider is 1) not holding up their end of the deal, and/or 2) changing the terms of the deal without disclosing that change. A huge part of the problem Riki is the culture at WG. Remember, it’s not USA based. It’s eastern bloc based. That cultures answer to any customer criticism is to gaslight you or tell you to F off. They literally can’t fathom giving the customers what the customers want, WG will give you what WG wants.

[@saberdead7308]

The game is better when the spirit of realism is maintained with consistent game mechanics. The armor and spaced armor game mechanics are inconsistent or out of balance. The Weasel and FV 101/7 are great examples of thin spaced armor in the form of a toolbox stopping main gun rounds.

[@michaelleslie2913]

The only thing I can say about war thunder is that I find it an awful grind fest that is much worse than the grind in WOT also I prefer the way the game works ie when I am dead that's it back to the garage I go where as war thunder gives you a respawn in another tank which has to also be ground out As a occasional player I find it to much as you said in your video .

[@Robodogggg]

Wargaming should divide the game in 2 modes. A true vision mode with the cold war mechanics and the old mode we know from WWII. Both modes should start with WWII tanks and end with CW tanks. But this time no mixing up of WWII tanks and CW tanks. Just divide it in Era's like in the CW mode. To me the era system makes more sense than the tier system. No WWII T-34 tanks which have to fight against cold war T-54 tanks and bullshit like that as we know from the actual "WWII" mode which isn't really WWII, even the name of this mode is just wrong, because there are cold war tanks too, and they not even have a Panther with the right canon, just a fantasy canon in this so called WWII mode. 😂

[@chadofchads7222]

Oi oi, now you're playing the fv4005 to take the piss mate😂

[@lordvanguard86]

Great video.... well thought out❤

[@deankurowski9202]

If Wargaming want to stick with the "realistic" concept and not arcade.... then are they claiming WoT is a combat simulator?? Because it is not. What is life expectancy of a tanker in real combat? Less than 3 minutes.

[@COASTDADDY]

War Thunder isn't my cup of tea. Too much going on, getting 1 shot by everything is not pleasant. It feels like when wot was in it's early stage of folks quitting before they even started. JS.

[@gallantprime3425]

Veiled complaint about True Vision is all this is. It’s not that hard. People don’t like disappearing tanks. Hence True Vision. You are just trying to conflate issues here. Just stick to WW2-same game there. People do complain for realism all the time btw. Hmmm…let’s see complaints about arming distance.

[@bren2385]

WW2 .. INVISIBLE TANKS ARE ANNOYING VISIBLE AT 650 M INVISIBLE AT 655 M 🤯🤯🤯 NO THANK YOU CW .. IMPOSSIBLE TO HIT LONG RANGE MOVING TARGETS BECAUSE RANDOMISED AIMING 🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶

[@nonamephil9877]

People don't like disappearing tanks? Look at the queue numbers at both modes, ww2 is far more popular, pc doesn't have true vision and is still a popular game.

[@bren2385]

@@nonamephil9877 NO IT MASHES MY SWEET POTATOES

[@gallantprime3425]

@@nonamephil9877 If you look at the reviews on the consoles themselves, that was the biggest complaint left.

[@LuciusGraciusMaximus]

Warthunder sucks big time , sorry

[@blacktail522]

It wierd I was thinking about how easily wot could go the way of war thunder just the other day. A no spot true vision mode where you have to actually use your eyes to find the enemy. Then you bring in drones and IR scopes. Maybe a separate game mode. Rather than changing the whole game. I played war thunder before I ever did wot. I don't think I can go back now. Too much going on. Painful grinding. Wot appeals to the more casual gamer.

[@brealistic3542]

IMO WOTs was forced into non realism because they could never figure their own game out without resorting to totally unrealistic solutions. They resort to more and more patches on a broken leaky game. It doesn't have to be this way either. There are some old games that now take a old computer to play actually figured this all out.

[@mobs56zz]

He should be CEO of War Gaming

[@BracaPhoto]

Dude its a dying game - they are just focusing on their newest IP We will be hearing about it soon I'm sure At this point we are just a sandbox for development

[@ArthurBates-u8s]

Cold war in my opinion is more like a fantasy game it requires no skill there is very little realism in that mold and it takes away from world war II because it requires no skill and have no learning curve in this game play it's a nice option to earn silver