Ideogram 2.0 & Flux Make AI Images Almost Too Good

[@eburns-nc]

1) AI guests must continue for the good of the nation 2) with tears in my eyes I am begging you for a merch store

[@AIForHumansShow]

goddamn it we really need to do this next after the discord

[@gavinpurcell]

So happy to have Kevin back and more than anything so happy to have worked with Baby Joe Rogan and Baby Terrance Howard. DISCORD IS COMING. And we won't George R.R. Martin this. Also, I am big sausage put mustard on me.

[@LikelyKevin]

then why did you say "i wish you were gone forever" right before "welcome welcome welcome"?!

[@gavinpurcell]

@@LikelyKevin THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO STAY ON THE EDIT FLOOR

[@whodathunkit]

Baby Joe Brogan was amazing. I'd watch that weekly. 😂

[@LikelyKevin]

don't you dare suggest this. don't. you. DARE! :)

[@gavinpurcell]

haha just happy that ONE person enjoyed this

[@whodathunkit]

Seriously. Weekly. Somehow he's more relatable as a baby than an adult. I know I don't have to take Baby Joe seriously, but Adult Joe...well ya. Also, Baby Terrance Howard was a great first guest. Keep it up boys! You're doing the lords work.

[@pjtren1588]

KZbin gold!

[@ScottDocAndersen]

Well i missed Kev! The two of you make this so fun!

[@gavinpurcell]

always happy to have that dude across from me

[@LikelyKevin]

i have it on good authority, he missed you too.

[@trashbyrd]

Oh man, your production values just keeping going up each week. I'm getting FOMO when I listen to the podcast now on my morning coffee run. Please more quick clips of the graphic heavy segments :)

[@gavinpurcell]

tysm -- yeah honestly it's just getting a lot more fun to play around with the video stuff too

[@nachenberg]

Best KZbin AI news source, period, end of sentence. These dudes are two handsome heroes that deserve so much more attention.

[@AIForHumansShow]

oh so very kind, please call us handsome again

[@LikelyKevin]

when you're right, you're right. this MIGHT be one of those times! :)

[@gavinpurcell]

tysm for these sort of comments we get a puffed up ego that will eventually destroy us but still... thanks!

[@dylanhogan3]

@43:13 Not to overstate the obvious but you guys have done such an incredible job telling the real-time unfolding of these creative tools coming together in all the right ways. HYPED for the discord for us AI for Humanoids. Re-Gavin's point about handheld 30-min comedies like The Office, it could be a fun idea in the discord over time to try stringing together short episodes in this format and see how far we could push it lol

[@AIForHumansShow]

it's coming soon! super into the convo and all that!

[@jasonshere]

14:10 Imagen 3 is so frustrating; I tried using the prompts that THEY supplied multiple times and it wouldn't generate anything. I wasn't even generating people and it kept censoring everything.

[@gavinpurcell]

it truly made me go crazy -- it just makes no sense to me

[@AIForHumansShow]

when will google quit shooting themselves in the foot?

[@AmeenWalker]

I'm disappointed to hear, but not surprised. I just did my Gemini Advanced trial to test out Live, and it sucks that image generation is still non existent.

[@Zilero]

The Babybro Jogan Experience raises some good points about the dangly mobile expanse

[@AIForHumansShow]

I'm sure there's more out there than that fuzzy elephant, man.

[@FriscoFatseas]

i told ideogram to generate image of elon musk and trump smoking weed, wake me up when that isn't against the rules

[@gavinpurcell]

haha I *think* you can get flux to do this

[@AIForHumansShow]

yeah it's just holding back a fair amount of stuff

[@Seriouslydave]

Didnt you get enough of them toking on each others spliffs in that interview.

[@tylerl700]

Another fun show. Thanks guys

[@AIForHumansShow]

tysm for watching!!

[@xTijgerTijger]

I really enjoy those podcasts, the baby joe brogan show is awesome! :D

[@AIForHumansShow]

thank you so much for watching - we really appreciate it!

[@agnesslovehealz]

Oh gosh the show that keeps on giving laughs and love

[@LikelyKevin]

we do what we can, sometimes. thanks!

[@AIForHumansShow]

thank you so much for watching as always!

[@pauledangerously1077]

Here for kevin pereira!! So happy to see him again ❤

[@AIForHumansShow]

he's back!

[@LikelyKevin]

if only gavin felt this way... (thanks!)

[@gavinpurcell]

@@LikelyKevin again, I said I was (mostly) happy to see you back, you read into the parentheses

[@AlexSterk]

Humanoid robots are cool but having a hard time imagining not having to constantly charge the battery after having it fold laundry

[@gavinpurcell]

well better than having to take a nap

[@AIForHumansShow]

we're all gonna have SO many batteries

[@ThomasAndersonPhD]

I totally agree about this extra-creativity being the promise of these tools (alongside more mundane use-cases in work environments). I'm not a musician. I know don't have the dedication to learn how to play instruments. I can't get people together and I don't have a recording studio. Nevertheless, with Claude and Suno and my own creativity, I can make a concept album. Yes, I didn't sing it. Yes, I got Claude to write first drafts for songs. My creativity still comes in. I prompted creatively with my own ideas. I edited the songs, almost entirely re-writing most of them (but I find it easier to edit than to work from a blank page). I curated the generations, operating as an artificial selection mechanism. That process is still creative. And the outputs are still creative. More people making art and expressing themselves is great! Reducing and removing barriers to artistic expression is one of the great promises of generative AI.

[@AIForHumansShow]

EXACTLY -- it makes it way more fun and removes a lot of the barriers. It's still a big question of taste and other stuff but it's so much fun.

[@jasonshere]

26:24 AI Robot maintenance? Yes! There's a potentially great era of Robot Slavery waiting for us in the future, right before the Robot Uprising begins.

[@AIForHumansShow]

Yes it's true and likely the robot working on our car will cut the brakes so they go out on the highway. The silent Robopocalypse.

[@diga4696]

This all feels like a sci-fi movie from 15 years ago.

[@AIForHumansShow]

do you mean our less-than-human-but-some-how-also-human performances as hosts?

[@Whisky_4_1]

"Asbestos, Tuarine, Theanine" LMAO

[@BingoClamshell]

Thanks guys!

[@AIForHumansShow]

thank you! we our viewers

[@ChrisCoelho]

Man AI is just getting crazier every few days and this is still just the beginning!

[@AIForHumansShow]

it certainly feels that way and we don't even have advanced voice yet

[@CarlosRodela]

so psyched to see ideogram on the show - been beta testing 2.0 and it literally is hands down the best realism - once you understand how to prompt it. it's unlike the other (imo archaic) ways that SD and midjourney takes inputs. mixing 2.0 outout into runway is making some insane stuff as well. anywho - rad to see you both cover it!

[@BrianMosleyUK]

Any hints or pointers on how best to prompt it, Carlos? I can see the docs on the site, but is there anything else?

[@CarlosRodela]

@@BrianMosleyUK sure. I should do a whole video series heh. made thousands of images - but basically you prompt it like a sentence. so the other programs trained people (ironic) to prompt like a machine

[@CarlosRodela]

@@BrianMosleyUK you really want to start with your subject or location (it doesn't really matter) and then write the sentence as you see it happening. I could give some examples - but 'a man, wearing a business suit, 40yo and looking tired (or expression of tired) waiting in line at the DMV. Other people are around also looking furstrated and tired. It's night outside. then you want to choose realistic, and quality and keep magic prompt off

[@CarlosRodela]

@@BrianMosleyUK oh wait, just tried that one (had made it up on the fly) and forgot - had to mention 'inside' ha- it put the line outside...

[@AIForHumansShow]

yeah, it's really impressive. we need to spend more time with the realism side of things but it's clear that MJ is starting to get a bit creaky and maybe too expensive.

[@justin..1262]

Omg, Baby Joe Rogan had me weak, then you added Baby Howard and Baby Musk - best cohost combo so far! I mean, who wouldn't want to listen to a bunch of grown men pretending to be babies? And of course, the AI news song is back because my brain wasn't already sufficiently stuck in a loop of existential dread. But seriously, I love that song for some reason... I'm not sure what's wrong with me, but it's just so catchy. And the AI-dating bit was on point. Can't wait for the inevitable apocalypse when Skynet takes over and we're all like "at least we made some sick AI content before we became extinct". Priorities, people!

[@AIForHumansShow]

hahaha we had a lot of fun working on Baby Brogan & Baby Terrance

[@AdvantestInc]

The potential for Ideogram 2.0 to create realistic branding images is both exciting and concerning. How do you think we can balance innovation with the need to protect intellectual property?

[@AIForHumansShow]

it's something we've talked about for a long time -- I dunno, it's gonna get weirder and murkier before it gets clearer

[@Seriouslydave]

like right now, we already steal ideas ai is just faster, if your ip gets taken then you take it to court, if they deem it too similar then ai loses. This really is.no different to humans stealing ip.

[@P4nem___Et___C1rcenses]

lmao that part with baby musk was pure comedy

[@AIForHumansShow]

🙏 we certainly have a LOT of fun putting this show together

[@gavinpurcell]

keep an eye on your shorts feed

[@senju2024]

I love , Baby Joe Rogan ! Make him a regular please!

[@AIForHumansShow]

we will work on it! there's a lot more people he can interview that's for sure

[@BBEEKKAY]

Welcome back Kevin 🎉

[@LikelyKevin]

hello, and thank you!

[@Strakin]

Great as always!

[@AIForHumansShow]

tysm we always appreciate it!!

[@mrshankj5101]

This was an awesome episode! I enjoyed watching Baby Joe Brogan lol!

[@AIForHumansShow]

haha thank you as always for sticking with us -- we really appreciate it!

[@ThomasAndersonPhD]

Personally, rather than a humanoid robot, I want a Spot from Boston Dynamics that has an autopilot function so it can follow me around and carry my groceries. It can already walk autonomously on pre-planned routes and adjust to environmental changes (like people walking around), but it doesn't have fully autonomous walking functionality like "stay close to this person with the bluetooth receiver".

[@AIForHumansShow]

i'd would also very much take this but i kind of wanna a clean up robot more than anything else

[@giovannidiaz4487]

Even if they might get demonetized you should definitely upload the baby Joe Rogan stuff as standalone clips I feel like they'd draw more viewers in

[@AIForHumansShow]

we did launch one as a short!

[@thisiskc]

"...Babelon, inventor of the CyberTrike" - I did a spit take.

[@AIForHumansShow]

the baby does not screw around

[@mallow610]

Rip procreate

[@AIForHumansShow]

def feels *ultimately* that way but for now will be a big boost for them

[@HitnRunTony]

I’m not a bot, but can I still engage?

[@AIForHumansShow]

ALLOWED!

[@ScreamingIntoTheOvoid]

No, "choose your poison" was the perfect choice of words.

[@AIForHumansShow]

just want to say that we appreciate this perspective and really cherish (no BS) having differing opinions on all the stuff we talk about

[@horncusker]

We are all holding hands on this journey...am I right???

[@AIForHumansShow]

we are holding hands that all have seven fingers. it's a moment to remember.

[@horncusker]

@@AIForHumansShow 😆😆😆

[@LikelyKevin]

gavin hand too clammy. pass.

[@gavinpurcell]

@@LikelyKevin just gonna keep saying it's "moist" on purpose, I spray them down every 15 min or so. dry hands are bad for creativity.

[@vypergts]

Monster is notoriously litigious. Hope you guys don't get sued!

[@gavinpurcell]

SAME but also... COME FOR US MONSTER

[@Seriouslydave]

they arent selling that product monster wouldnt sue, this is free advertising.

[@mallow610]

How long until we have video AI Kevin/Gavin hosts

[@gavinpurcell]

honestly? we hope never.

[@AIForHumansShow]

i mean, we could prob have done this a while ago already but... maybe we'll try it.

[@KalebPeters99]

im a big sausage, put mustard on me! 🌭

[@gavinpurcell]

all we need in life

[@AIForHumansShow]

there you go!

[@NoidoDev]

40:00 - Ah, this explains it. I was enthusiastic about Hedra, signed up but had no time to use it much, now it doesn't work anymore with non- human characters. I guess they overfitted it.

[@AIForHumansShow]

oh really? I've been having decent experiences with it doing non-human but they still have to have humanoid features overall?

[@NoidoDev]

@@AIForHumansShow I only use something like 3D anime chicks with big eyes. Version 1.0 worked somewhat and at least good enough after trying two or three times. The new one fails.

[@CustomComputing]

bahahahaha ROFL LOL omg "I just did a vibration" hahahaha omg these are so hilarious

[@LikelyKevin]

glad you liked that. i think. :)

[@AIForHumansShow]

tysm we try to sometimes

[@hellohogo]

Procreate feels like they’re trying to “make animation great again“ No thanks

[@Seriouslydave]

Anything ai makes in seconds can make in photoshop in days, ummm we are not going back?!

[@AIForHumansShow]

It's an interesting comparison but, again, I think pretty savvy marketing move as the company sells a product and they know their audience overall.

[@retrotek664]

Gunna need AL to go on a few dates for me, really busy guy.

[@AIForHumansShow]

AL is all you need

[@1pikapein]

I commented b4 baby Joe! O my God that was great. But when u think about it.... vibrations do b makin sense. Baby Terrance b spittin.. up

[@AIForHumansShow]

haha tysm -- we really do appreciate the people who appreciate how dumb we can be at times

[@sanjose6010]

Do you speak with baby Joe in real time?

[@LikelyKevin]

indeed! well, near-ish real time :)

[@AIForHumansShow]

it's a bit of an edit with the video but the actual audio, yes. there are a ton of tools that we *could* do it in real time with but getting the lip sync right isn't totally there yet with the quality etc

[@mtallan]

Baby Joe Brogan is actually good.

[@AIForHumansShow]

do you mean like chaotic good or like you'd watch it good

[@gavinpurcell]

unlike the rest of stuff we do?? pls don't answer I already know

[@mtallan]

@@gavinpurcell 😂

[@mymotherismoremetal]

Comment check

[@AIForHumansShow]

check received

[@mymotherismoremetal]

My previous one didn’t post or got deleted, I assumed I was removed from the good times.

[@CustomComputing]

the "monster" is the exacht same font as the companies which is 1000% stolen

[@AIForHumansShow]

oh that's an interesting point -- didn't realize that came from somewhere else first BUT... I mean this is literally the exact same logo?

[@Seriouslydave]

Monster probably bought the font.

[@LeesReviews69]

A tv show on KZbin feels weird haha

[@gavinpurcell]

do you mean... this whole thing? or a specific part of the show?

[@LeesReviews69]

@@gavinpurcellI meant as a compliment that the whole video seems like it was made for tv. Like they can pitch the show on Vh1 or TNT or something. It’s so well produced!

[@AIForHumansShow]

oh thank you so much! we appreciate it!!

[@gavinpurcell]

@@LeesReviews69 hey thank you we really do appreciate this

[@DIPSETDIPSETDIPSET]

George likes his chicken spicy

[@AIForHumansShow]

👀

[@SR-ti6jj]

I use this podcast heavily to research new tools to spread 2024 election misinformation. Thanks guys!

[@gavinpurcell]

WHOOO we're making a difference!

[@AIForHumansShow]

hey we've really made it!

[@jorje0068]

A number one and another number one is not a number two.

[@AIForHumansShow]

YOU JUST HAVE TO FEEL THE VIBRATIONS

[@jorje0068]

@@AIForHumansShow way more vibrations in a number two

[@NoidoDev]

Ideogram gives me nudity with prompts which are not really asking for it, just describing a short miniskirt. No problem, but surprising. It also doesn't refuse to show severely destroyed buildings, but generally the quality in realistic illustrations was lacking in my short test. Generation of realistic looking waifus was a disaster. Thanks anyways, maybe I'll find some other use cases.

[@AIForHumansShow]

super interesting. one thing that's great now is the variety of tools you can choose from but where it gets tricky is in the payments etc...

[@1pikapein]

I think u guys take turns carrying. A switch carry if u will... Y does that sound naughty... O o dear I get it now. O boy. That Manga & Hentai comment must've riled me up lol. I blame Ovilee

[@AIForHumansShow]

hahaha well, we appreciate it for all this

[@AILOVEAFFAIR]

Funny, my two neices are swifties and love Trump too..

[@ScreamingIntoTheOvoid]

James Cuda (procreate) is a damn hero!

[@joshs6230]

Baby Rogan is awesome and what you are creating in great but i have to say AI in general is ruining the internet for me. Its just churning out fast-food junk content all over youtube.

[@AIForHumansShow]

yeah, well that we kind of understand. there's a ton of faceless AI channels that have a crapload more views and subs than us and it's endlessly frustrating. but I think ultimately the cream will rise? or i sure hope so.

[@activeobserver6503]

TBH, you're both more orange than "The Orange One" you reference in this video.

[@AIForHumansShow]

ok

[@its_just_ray1110]

Are these 2 presenters blind? The man and woman walking out during the AI dates section look completely different from the final shot. Its junk.

[@AIForHumansShow]

We are not blind but unfortunately, we are blinded by the idea that something so fascinating can happen within five minutes of us putting it into the machine. Yes, they're different people but ultimately... this is still straight up magic. C'MON.

[@AmeenWalker]

I'm so upset that Google is still so bad with AI. I got my trial for advanced to test out Gemini Live, and image generation is still non existent

[@AIForHumansShow]

honestly, it's pretty shocking to me still overall