IDLESCREE REACTS! | The Owl House Finale | Watching and Dreaming S3x03

HOLY TITAN IT'S HERE! Join us for a celebratory event as the Bat and special guest the Horny Toad react to and discuss the final episode of the Owl House, Watching and Dreaming! There are lots of swears--and crying and screaming in this one so be warned! No cheeps!
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[@truekingofdemons]

I remember seeing someone say something like "If Belos could actually talk to the titan he would hear nothing but dad jokes" and I can honestly see it

[@qmchale5130]

🤣

[@tylerherr4288]

bread PUNS FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@truekingofdemons]

@@tylerherr4288 BREAD PUNS FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!

[@shinkoryu14]

What's interesting about the scene of the Collector "forgiving" Belos is that while yes, it is played for tragic comedy and to establish that Belos is NOT getting redeemed, what a lot of people don't talk about is that it's a very powerful gesture from the Collector. Because it wasn't an empty one- Belos straight up used and manipulated the Collector for 400 years. Then he dropped him into a hole to rot for the rest of eternity. That kid is the pawn that has been abused and betrayed by Belos for the longest. But even if he doesn't fully understand what Luz was getting at, he wants love and friendship so much that he is willing to set that betrayal aside and forgive, because that's what she said is the right thing to do. It was a pretty compressed moment in the actual episode for obvious reasons, but I can easily imagine that in better circumstances we might have seen the Collector directly bring all of this up when "forgiving" Belos.

[@solsystem1342]

That scene of Titan Luz standing over goop belos menicing as he melts away yelling about how "we're human" is 😙 *perfection*

[@idlescree]

Everything Ive said or written about that man has had something along the lines of "dude's a walking, crawling cage of Tragic Irony" but that was just SPECTACULAR

[@skistorm739]

@@idlescree guess if they get the demon realm connected to the weave help them use magic again and that being wild magic.

[@skistorm739]

@@idlescree and other realms be cool and other versions of magical creatures like the peacefully form

[@smudgeyfluff610]

i love how it kinda tied back to grom where luz was telling illusory debaters on the internet that they weren't arguing in good faith so there was no point in talking with them

[@AtomBacon]

He looks like a Shiny Muk but less appealing.

[@zzuxon]

I think the intent of the bluebird palismen was to represent kind of an inflection point in Hunter's life. The bluebird has visual similarities to cardinals, so it's like an homage that Hunter made to Flapjack. But the bluebird also has substantial differences in recognition that it's not flapjack, and isn't just a replacement for flapjack, but a new relationship for Hunter. So it's sort of a "honor the past while moving forward" sort of thing. In this way, it also could be interpreted as a contrast with Phillip's long chain of expendable replacements for Caleb, of which Hunter was a part, and so demonstrates Hunter's moral superiority in that way.

[@rollernkg68]

fun fact: it's name is Waffle!

[@SapphireMan]

Waffle is a Blue Jay, not a Bluebird (they are very different)

[@Zumbadorcito]

Blue Jay's symbolize 'new beginnings' as they help in invoking confidence and discovering ones true self. It makes sense for Hunter as his entire story is about becoming a full person instead of a tool. It honors Flapjack, while giving Hunter the ability to start a new in his new life on his terms. It's such a beautiful and gentle choice, I love it so much.

[@AevitosTrath]

​@@Zumbadorcitothey also have great memories!

[@amandab3946]

@@rollernkg68 *Waffles, their name is Waffles 🥰🥰

[@Voidwielder]

Waffles is such a perfect palisman for Hunter, all the symbolism of Blue Jay's is stuff like loyalty, freedom, and passion. And also "Bluebird of Happiness" comes to mind.

[@idlescree]

OHHH thats really cute!

[@nicalala8649]

Also it’s name is WAFFLES

[@nicalala8649]

ALSO, WAFFLES

[@SilverScribe85]

Speaking of...did you notice Hunter didn't have any bags under his eyes? This means he was FINALLY able to sleep, something Belos never allowed him OR the other guards to do even ONCE

[@rainey.day.]

Belos's death is almost the equivalent to that "Ew, I stepped in sh!t" meme. I'm not complaining though. It's quite fitting!

[@ericlundquisthere]

The way I evaluate this show and its publisher situation is mostly directed at Disney. There is no getting around it: Disney failed Dana Terrace and the show's crew by almost every metric. In today's media landscape, *especially* in animation, the context of corporate fuckery and publishers' relationship to creatives cannot be divorced from the final product. Netflix failed Dead End by cancelling it on a cliffhanger. HBO failed Summer Camp Island by basically erasing the show from on-demand existence before its final season could debut. Disney failed The Owl House with one executive's decision to drastically cut down the show's run before a whole season had aired. And that decision affected all of Season 2 and the Season 3 specials, because the crew were forced to suddenly change directions to make it work. Even independent shows, like Helluva Boss, need to be evaluated in the context of their environment. Season 1 is only 7(ish) episodes, which would be a tiny run by most metrics, but as an independent venture on KZbin, with all of that platform's problems, what SpindleHorse has made is an incredible accomplishment. So yeah, just like you touch on here, you can't properly evaluate shows like The Owl House without taking that context into consideration, because the corporate fuckery in the publishing house affected the final product just as much as any of the writers did. Evaluating the show in a vacuum unfairly minimizes their accomplishments.

[@PencilKing21]

ooh I'm only a couple minutes in but I love the detail that when toad tears up its blood. Really nice touch, there.

[@idlescree]

Thank you! The choice to make them a Horny Toad was a fun one, the Raccoon did such a great job!

[@DanS044]

I wanna meet the Raccoon and the Hedgehog one day!

[@Maswartz226]

10:33 I know it's a serious scene but the image of the two animals screaming in unison is just so funny.

[@avengefullgirl95]

I kind of saw the blue bird as a way for hunter to take back the power that oppressed him. blue is associated with belos and now his palisman is a blue bird, he is free from his abuser, flapjack is gone but not forgotten. so the blue jay kind of encompassing acceptance, moving on and being empowered for hunter. maybe sortof idk xD

[@idlescree]

Oh that's actually such an interesting thought, I haven't seen that yet! And also like, the Palistrom wood is blue so that also makes sense! Thanks for pointing that out :D

[@gracielasea]

Also Dana confirmed his name is Waffles

[@ParchmentScroll]

@@gracielasea Her name, tho. She said Waffles is Flap's little sister.

[@RealGoldenGuard]

Belos really thought he could get one last lie in to save himself. Credit where it's due, he's really consistent. Consistently horrible, but still consistent 😅

[@jesswhitmore791]

Theres a specificity to Belos saying "cleanse this perdition" that i like. In many ways i feel like the draconic/demonic form highlights his place as a hypocritical moralizing monster. He's a literal puritan striking out at people he deems impure or even inhuman. He's a colonizer, he conquers a realm and seeks to make himself their god, he is a literal demiurge. Man becomes demon, demon becomes ghoul, ghoul becomes dragon. He forsakes his humanity, he forsakes his dignity, and he forsakes his lies about what he is. He is a dragon, he comes to burn this realm to the ground.

[@idlescree]

Yesssss tragic irony, thy name is Belos! And the use of the word perdition-yeah you are correct, it’s extremely specific and intentional!

[@jesswhitmore791]

@idlescree I'm amazed frankly they got that much specificity in under the mouse. Yes, they never say the words puritanical evangelical Christian, but they are gushing with symbolism and historical context to place him firmly there. The only thing I can imagine that they drip fed it slowly enough that you had to see it coming to cover up the component pieces. Yeah he's a witch hunter and not a witchfinder, yeah they never say puritan or pilgrim, but considering the standards and practices bullshit Alex Hirsch had to put up with for GF, I can easily see an alternate version of the owl house where they went out of their way to make the witch trial imagery all dudes in cloaks and shunt it to more of an ahistorical weird witch hunting cult. Hell, there's an excuse baked right in, earth has its own titan trapper cult that hates witches.

[@DaddyDynastic]

Blue Jays can represent quote "understanding, bold self-expression, loyalty/devotion and protection" which I think fits a completely self-actualized Hunter

[@FloorDoughnut]

i think its fair to say "i wish there was more time for X" but i see it far more as a dig at disney for not letting that happen than a critique of the episode or team itself

[@sylvanfreckles557]

I wonder if the Collector's "if they break you can fix them" partially came from years of watching Belos create and "break" grimwalkers. "Sometimes I think you make those things just to destroy them" (Hollow Mind).

[@mothbutgay]

I definetly agree with the last episodes all together counting as the finale rather than just watching and dreaming! I'm so sad to see toh go but honestly I love the finale they did so well and I'm just so proud that we fought and we got our damn finale baby!! All of the little details are so nice and I'm just so happy with how they defeated Belos.

[@idlescree]

SOOO satisfying. Thanks for watching!!

[@asthejayflies]

The disney youtube channel did upload all 3 parts in one video, iirc they even called it a movie!!

[@justarandomcommenterdontmi4485]

Belos: I cAn TaLk To ThE tItAn Luz: *from a roof top* you seeing this shit King

[@MikiaStorm]

The squeaks the Stringbean makes are actually Otter noises. While being a shapshifter her normal form is that of an otter and a snake, with the noises she makes are those of an otter and the rattling of a rattlesnake.

[@idlescree]

OH that's a good point, thank you! That makes a lot of sense!

[@MikiaStorm]

@@idlescree I know that you were excited when you thought that she was squeaking like a bat. I just love how they incorporated Luz's affinity for otters and snakes into one creature. But, I too would have loved to see Stringbean with bat wings, also incorporating Luz's phone case.

[@taudad5009]

To answer your question about the bluebird* for hunter, when a bluebird and cardinal are seen together in nature it symbolizes wisdom and knowledge. So having his two Palismen being two halves of that symbolism is him reaching maturity and becoming a whole individual and that he wouldn't have been able to reach that without Flapjack. I teared up when I saw his second Palisman because I knew that symbolism (;~;) It means Flapjack is still a part of his life and that he's found his purpose in life and sense of self. *I have been corrected that her name is Pancakes and she's a Blue Jay but the symbolism is the same, I'm just tired today

[@cyndaquil1433]

Her name is pancakes

[@bonsaidraws162]

blue jay not bluebird lol

[@taudad5009]

@@bonsaidraws162 You are absolutely right, forgive me I am very sleepy today

[@solsystem1342]

Pancake is flapjack's younger sister😢 I love her❤

[@idlescree]

Yeah it's been a while and I've seen some really wonderful comments and analysis along these lines! Blue jay have a lot of of great and sensible symbolism and it's good, I was foolishly expecting a wolf (even though bird=Clawthorne=freedom makes wayyyy more sense). And for what it's worth, her name is Waffles! Or Waffle. Dana just showed a picture XD

[@frentix]

I honestly don't think the team could have done any better with this finale! (unless of course, more Eda + Raine content but I am extremely biased) It was amazing, I loved every second of it

[@Animogx]

Someone probably already mentioned this but the first word in each special spell out Thanks For Watching, and that kinda sums up how well this did. Even with the set backs and such it gave people the emotional pathos that is needed to define a good, even great, finale. It was a sentimental love letter to the series trying to convey this beautiful raw emotion that the crew and fans had, and from all of your emotional responses in the reaction, I'd say it hit home. Will it always be sad we didn't get everything we wanted? Yes, of course but that doesn't lessen what we did get and kinda makes it so much more special because for what it is and what we got? A gem to love for years. Final side thing though, say what you will about him but Belos' voice, savagery, and dragon form gets him a pass into the Disney villain Hall of Greats, Lord help us if he and Maleficent square off because no one will come out unscathed. Though we take great satisfaction in that his Witch Hunter holier the thou self got merced first possibly by Luz summoning the boiling rain and then being stomped out by a bisexual disabled Witch, with her Non-Binary SO, and her adopted Furry son, glorious :)

[@idlescree]

People felt weird about Belos dragon but I fine with that--the whole show is such an explicit rebuke of a certain set of hypocritical values that it seemed like a fitting and natural thing. It wasn't even Belos, it was his cancerous expression on the Titan's physical heart. I think Belos deserves a seat at that table of great villains and frankly some of them would be taking notes. He's as campy, over the top and despicably evil as the worst of them and I adore him for it XD Thanks for your thoughtful comment!!!!

[@Animogx]

@@idlescree Your welcome! And full agree on your points, his mindset was a venomous thing that was going to poison and destroy everyone on the Boiling Isles born from a stubbornness and pride mixing with the flawed thought that Witches were monsters that needed to be destroyed when they were very similar to us. All this on top of his selfish want to be the Savior of Humanity from these blasphemous heretics? It was a dream come true to him, as in his mind he would be remembered for all time as this great Warrior of God who cleansed reality of these unclean wretches. His over the top way of things was entertaining to watch but when he let out glimpses of the real monster underneath, and the context clues we got about him through Hunter, that's enough to leave someone chilled to the bone, "Okay, I'll play" will always stay with me as a great showing of his sheer menace mixed with a sort of sadistic campiness.

[@turmericchai9]

Considered media analysis from cute cartoon animals is one of my favorite genres

[@cyndaquil1433]

Hooty being the titans tapeworm… I could see it XD

[@PedroSantos-ie1oy]

Belos, a green goo blob Luz, literally mostly Titan *"We´re human."* Chef's kiss

[@idlescree]

"Tragic irony thy name is...uh...Phillip Wittebane? Belos? Ugh whatever, please die already *stomp*"

[@fizzlewizard404]

39:22 exactly!!! everything you brought up before this is *crucial* when talking about this season and what went down, and the main thing is, most of the finale was the closest to greatness as they could've gotten to considering the circumstances. with that being said, my only real gripe with the finale that i really would've liked to be different (or atleast had been showcased more in depth or something) was the Collector's send-off. it was really one note and honestly felt really unfair to me how literally everyone (other than Belos LMAO KEEP THAT GUY DEAD) got their happy ending while the Collector went back to the stars. it doesnt really strike me as a decision coming from a place of newly found maturity so much as self-guilt and resentment for his actions, and the line "no one argued" felt really out of character for Eda, Luz and King, considering how much they went through with this kid. Not to mention that this is the only place they've ever felt welcome and the only place where they've been able to grow as a person in a meaningful way. I could go on about this but I'll probably just end up repeating myself, lol. this in particular bugged me because (for reasons i won't get into) i really resonate with the Collector and see a lot of myself in them. even before season 3 i just wanted them to have an actual family and real friends. so i felt (and still feel) pretty conflicted about the fact that they went with this ending for him. Considering that the show's message of found family, then the show having this character who reflects that theme in their role as an antigonist perfectly, and then leaving him on his own again after all the suffering they went through feels illogical to me. Sorry i for how long this is LMAO i know it's not that related to everything else but i thought i'd bring it up considering that (like you've said) the showrunners got put through literal HELL with all of this and how they handled it was about the closest to what they wanted to do that they could get. i don't really know what else to say lol ^^

[@idlescree]

No no thank you so much for sharing your thoughts, I absolutely love seeing people's responses and opinions. I would have loved a version where the Collector was de-powered a little by Belos' fun time fungus bs and stayed on the Isles to continue learning empathy and family ;___; I think that was the only choice I felt not awesome about but it is what it is! Thanks for watching!

[@fizzlewizard404]

@@idlescree very late response lol, but atleast now we have confirmation from Dana derself that they atleast visit often and their friendship with King is getting better and better so, at least weve got that ^^

[@emeraldqueen1994]

Given the fact that the crew had such a sudden change of support, they did an awesome job with the crappy hand they were given!

[@missspoken1374]

Love your discussion on how to fairly critique a show that was forced to change its pacing just before the final arch.

[@idlescree]

It's a much more complex topic than what I got into here but I definitely think there's a need for a "new rubric" or different ones depending on the parameters of the thing, or like, transformative works or something. Thanks for watching!

[@Cabur_Skirata]

My favorite part about Hunter's new Palisman, their name is Waffle

[@FenriWasLive]

Glad to see your experience with the finale. This series shot straight to the the top of my favorite show’s of all time, and I ended up crying 5 times for the last episode. Hoping for new and wonderful things inspired by such a great story and characters!

[@violetkerridge4154]

Dana grade: A*** Mouse grade: F(u)-

[@idlescree]

this made me snort coffee all over my monitor, perfection

[@violetkerridge4154]

@@idlescree my job is done (I hope your monitor is ok)

[@midnightconstellation]

Ok, but Scree's line about the Disney execs, "with their heads so far up their a*s, they've grown gills to breathe sh*t," I died 🤣

[@eee-xd5bo]

The avatars are absolutely adorable and I loved hearing your guys' perspective!

[@TooBitToQuit]

As a finale of what they were dealt I enjoyed the hell out of it. It's what we have and it should be ranked as itself rather than what was missing. As it stands we have 43 episodes of greatness (with a couple meh eggs). I'm on the side that I like that they decided to focus on the main trio rather than the whole squad in the finale confrontation.

[@torazely]

I'm sorry Idle... Chernobyl? Really? Are ya SURE that's right? Chernabog. His name is Chernabog. He's the Slavic God of misfortune.

[@idlescree]

Sometimes, when I am Live, I make silly mistakes without the benefit of a cross-check--thank you! The character in Fantasia specifically is meant to invoke the Christian devil pretty deliberately even though he is described as Chernabog...gah.

[@torazely]

@@idlescree well, chernabog himself has been likened to the devil since the rise of Christianity. He was even given an opposite in the form of Belobog, meant to be the god of goodness and a likening to the Christian god.

[@kurotsuchiiwa3627]

the human and demon realm are permanently connected thanks to the collectors portal so there is gonna be a lot of humans in the boiling isles. and a lot of witches in the human world

[@Cakeyyama]

Great job with this! Found your content a while back, been really enjoying it. Loved the coverage over all. Def in the camp where I wish Dana and their camp would have had an entire season. We could've gotten so many awesome things. At least they included the photos at the end in the credits to show us a lil peek into things (Eda and Camila bonding, the next Grom where I'm guessing some of the early Hunter/Willow stuff happened. Also Amity and Luz's faces in that picture are just..special, LOL. Also, the one with Hooty and the mailperson. So much good stuff in those. Also yay Vee graduating with Luz. Either way, I appreciate the show so much for what it did. It was just.. so wonderful. Had an amazing time. Will most definitely be missed. Maybe we'll get some comics somewhere down the line like TLA and stuff, that'd be wonderful.

[@polissadewitt3544]

There's one particular show that reminds me of The owl house finale. It is Firefly. Like the great show where you love every piece of it and every character is like a home to you. Just some people've decided that it doesn't deserve a normal ending so let's make a movie. great video though TOH takes a special place in my heart so i'm really grateful even for this amount of storytelling

[@michealtheevilhero2340]

I will never forgive Disney for stopping this show

[@BakenekoGaming]

I honestly think Hunter just made a bird reminiscent of Flapjack - and Dana confirmed her name is Waffles ;u; ♥

[@stelladecoris2137]

I love your vibes! Please keep your channel going, it really makes my day. 😊

[@whitescar2]

In a way, not having enough time to tell all the stories you want is the human experience and an inevitable consequence of death. You are always wanting for more time. More fun adventures with your friends. The fact time is limited and often runs out before we'd like is what gives things, and that time we do choose to spend, meaning.

[@qmchale5130]

The main Hexsquad all have tattoos of Flapjack.

[@Robbyrew]

Blue jays represent faithfulness, curiosity, and courage.

[@Fenwaypup]

If you think about it for a second and really pay attention to the scene where the boiling rain destroys belos before the trio comes and stops him, Luz is the one creating the boiling rain considering how quickly it came and went so suddenly and that it doesn't affect her

[@talesofnelda]

Watching this made me cry for the millionth time but oh my god my tears were interrupted when the bat said Chernobyl instead of Chernabog I wheezed so hard.

[@bailey6304]

I know this video is over a year old, but I found this channel a few hours ago through the Belos video and honestly love the analysis videos. I also love the cute little critters each of you have to represent you. Good fun channel with cute avatars and interesting character analysis. Also I think I really need to rewatch Owl House again. It's been a while and these videos are a good reminder why I loved it so much. Also I definitely did not almost cry during the Hunter video, nope. Definitely did not get emotional at how deeply traumatized that poor boy has been, and how admirable it is that he overcame that trauma and grew stronger. Edit: Just to add some thoughts because I can't help myself lol, I love that The Collector ended up being a fair bit different than I expected. I like that he's childishly ignorant rather than malicious. Flesh dragon Belos also makes me think of some Final Fantasy mixed with Resident Evil type final boss thing. Also the Titan's "I am both king and queen, best of both things" line along with his true form being another massive being with an incomprehensible nature also definitely feels very eldritch. Especially with how he's actually been alive all this time while his body decayed. Also the fact that the Collector we know is just the child version of a species is actually terrifying. I also love how Owl House starts the "the hero and villain aren't so different" thing only for the Titan to immediately shut that down and point out that their intentions make a world of difference. It's funny, but also just nice to see a character in universe break down the difference. And finally Luz's Titan form is adorable and I love it. It's a shame that form is so short lived lol

[@Colbyisagod]

I’m so glad I found this channel as I get into owl house, have consumed nothing but owl house for weeks

[@4everhungerybuck917]

the finale was amazing i almost cried and this was so funny with ur reactions especially the lizard they might be my fav

[@lordmage3694]

This show was very important to me. The amount of times I cried during this episode is more than I’ve cried for literally anything else when first watching. Even watching your reactions is making me teary eyed bc it was so amazing and sad and kinda relatable and omfg I’m so upset it’s over ToT

[@user-cb7fe7cn9d]

Your reactions were so entertaining to watch 🥲

[@wallywallace2184]

Bluejays are seen as a counterpart to cardinals, I forget the symbolism exactly but they're counterparts symbolically.

[@marlesimms]

Interesting conversation at the end about how to evaluate a series that's been done dirty. I know so little about how much work and (especially) time goes into the process of putting together an animated series like this. When I watched s3e1, I was kind of confused and a bit let down; I wanted to see most of that episode be what that opening six-minute montage was. I don't think Luz and Willow spoke a single word to each other the whole episode. And yet, there were really, really important character moments for Hunter and Luz and CAMILA. Similarly in s3e2, after the initial watch, I felt underwhelmed. Some good moments, but it just didn't have penultimate finale tension energy and momentum. Now in retrospect, I see some of the beats they were trying to hit, and I can enjoy both these episodes for what they were. S3e3 was almost flawless on any rubric imaginable. It was a masterwork of concluding a beloved and complex series and doing justice to a lot of characters without feeling bloated or rushed. I sobbed a few times. The only mistake in ToH s3e3 - and this is a hill I will die on - is that there wasn't a final hoot from Hooty.

[@dofu1233]

appreciating u all and TOH so much rn (espicially the red tears)

[@iceluvndiva21]

Now ya know why Ivy Caramel Park (my owl house oc) has a phobia of all things slime and mold. She feels like puking every time.

[@gidgette123]

“That is bonkers” after Luz turned into the titan made me giggle

[@kurotsuchiiwa3627]

I am just waiting for a spin of were we can watch the three years between killing belos and the timeskip. rebuilding theisles is interesting in its own way. especially with the new landmasses that came out of the ocean when the titans arm was lifted. I could honestly see people making games like liliths architactual adventures and amity's exploration. and maybe we can get a movie one day where they are all in their late twenties or something and they need to fight the collectors siblings so luz and king have to semi fuse to bring back titan luz, and maybe the collector can give amity a power up. that sounds like something I would watch. edit: also a spin off about political relations between realms and how when some politicians are against it like thousands of people go to protest

[@idlescree]

I would love more Owl House...both of those ideas are incredibly interesting!

[@kurotsuchiiwa3627]

@@idlescree I wish I had any software development skills I would make it myself if I did. but I have never really had the time to develope those skills

[@evevoli]

your discussion on how to judge season 3 got me thinking about something i've been kind of worried about for a while, that being how TOH will be perceived in the future. like... as a fandom connected online watching the show as it comes out, WE know very well all the BS going on behind the scenes that held the show back, but what about those watching years from now? tweets won't last forever (especially not these days lmfao), and us knowing about the shortening and having Word of God at our touchscreens is, as far as i can see, a privilege of the internet-driven era we live in. i don't know... i just have to wonder what it'd be like for some teen in 2038 checking out this classic "retro" cartoon from the 2020s (god i feel old already), and judging season 3 for what it did and didn't do, as if this were a choice on the crew's part. this show will likely go down in history in some part for its groundbreaking queer rep, among other things, leading it to be rewatched and discussed for years to come; likely not to an insane degree but hey, ATLA is still making the rounds in pop culture 18 years later and i can see TOH doing much the same. how long will the context we have for everything NOW reach? how long until the viewers from 2023 are no longer part of the argument and the question becomes not "what did TOH Season 3 achieve in the little time it had?" but "what did TOH Season 3 achieve?" it's probably silly to be worried about such things, and i mean i'd probably be telling anyone who'll listen about how unfairly disney treated the owl house when i'm in a retirement home lol, but still. kinda lost where i'm going here but, i really really enjoyed your discussion haha. i just think TOH, and any work of art for that matter, deserves not to be divorced from the context surrounding its creation, and such situations are absolutely worth taking into account when judging a piece of media. i just hope that with the advent of the internet, it'll become easier and easier to keep this history together moving forward.

[@rockfan243]

I think hunter getting a blue Jay was a good idea. It's similar but not an exact copy of Flapjack. Also SHE IS NAMED WAFFLE

[@daffupanda2294]

I enjoyed listening to all what you two had to say, and I agree with everything you said post episode - it's a real shame this happened to such a good story. This show is the main reason I roll my eyes at all of Disney's live action movie representation shenanigans. They axed this wonder show that had an amazing story, and a colorful list of characters of all types because they decided it wasn't 'safe' enough for them to invest in. I hope they realize how beloved this show is and how much they screwed up by screwing this show over.

[@idlescree]

They've been doing this for over 16 years and I don't expect they'll learn anything from this experience unless they start making executives out of something other than soggy, confusingly stupid and evil cardboard but WE CAN HOPE

[@daffupanda2294]

@@idlescree Oh, if only. Unfortunately, given the money they get out of the soggy, wet cardboard box scripts that are their live action movies, specially with a good push from the internet (both sides, those screaming for them, those screaming against), why invest in shows like this one? From a corporate stand point... it's a no brainer. Why do the risky one when the other one will 100% make the money on low budget and you get free advertising from all the discourse? At this point I'm terrified of how scripts will be replaced by ai generated ones, because people seem to have forgotten that what makes a good story, at the base... is not the amount of money tossed into the effects or animation, it's, at the heart, the script. A good script can make a low budget movie amazing, but a high budget will never make a bad script any better.

[@silvermangawolfygirl]

So how does it feel to be wrong and see everyone praise this show for how masterfully it pulled everything? ☺️ I honestly haven't seen much negative whatsoever. I definitely also don't agree with Disney being shitty and cutting short so many things but sometimes restrictions can be good. The owl house felt like it had a significant bit of ..."lag" in the middle of the second season. Nothing too awful but definitely noticeable. Season 3 even as it is, feels like such a legit masterpiece and I gotta wonder if the tight limited time forced all the unnecessary bits to be trimmed down into the very needed essentials and overall badassery. It's not great to not let a story breathe necessarily but witnessing it finish breathless yet victorious and immensely satisfyingly feels so damn good nonetheless. I love the finale as it personally. And I'm very happy many others do too. Also you two are such cuties in your reactions here lol! Great vid!!❤️

[@idlescree]

OH IT FELT GREAT, I was so worried but overall the response has been very measured and understanding. Love it when I'm wrong about that sort of thing. Lots of great meta, thoughts--some truly shitty bad faith negativity here and there but frankly those are just better blocked than engaged with anyway.

[@peteramaranth85]

😢I'm sad we didn't even get an I love you from luz and amity but I think we all know they do love each other. I hope we get a film

[@RutabegaNG]

Blue Jays and Cardinals are both fairly territorial and they generally do not get along in nature. However, when you see them together, they are often considered a good sign, a sign of strength and wisdom, a sign that you are where you are supposed to be. I haven't seen anything confirming that's what they intended with Waffles, but with the way this whole series has been written, I find it very hard to believe that was coincidental.

[@idlescree]

Oh Absolutely! In retrospect it makes sense, I was in a bit of a fugue state afterwards akdjfldskjag Thank you for the bird facts! I have learned so many cursed facts about cardinals and blue jays recently, wonderful stuff

[@disodosid]

fabulous as always!

[@amberestie6605]

This ending was beautiful considering what they had to work with and considering I don't have any blood family around me anymore, death and found family are so deeply ingrained in my life. Aawww I didn't even notice the FlapJack tattoos! That's so touching because that also means his transformation was that important to them too. I like the new bluejay. I always thought they were just blue version of cardinals. LOVE their older versions and your guys chat after have me reflecting nicely. Also, Horny toad cries blood? Haha NICE. - Going to look up Hooty tapeworm theory now.

[@idlescree]

YEAH! Horny toads have a defense mechanism where they shoot blood out of their eyes. I have had opportunity to think about blue jays a lot more and honestly it makes so much sense for a million reasons but I was so (foolishly) locked into the idea of a wolf a;sdkfjdalkjg. But the Clawthorne bloodline is marked by human realm birds, and the bluejay has a bunch of significance relating to things like wisdom, growth and confidence--on top of rehabilitating the color blue for Hunter (which was previously deeply associated with Belos and death for him).

[@kurotsuchiiwa3627]

the blue bird is because hunter would not feel comfortable having another red birb because it would feel like he is replacing flapjack wich he is most definitely not. so he made flapjack a little brother so to say.

[@samanthatorres6749]

Actually, Waffles the bluejay is Flapjack's little sister.

[@kurotsuchiiwa3627]

@@samanthatorres6749 ah apologies. I was unaware of that fact as I only casually follow the show. I don't believe it was ever directly stated that waffles was a girl in the episode

[@kurotsuchiiwa3627]

@@samanthatorres6749 ah apologies. I was unaware of that fact as I only casually follow the show. I don't believe it was ever directly stated that waffles was a girl in the episode

[@samanthatorres6749]

@@kurotsuchiiwa3627 It's alright and it's true. Dana Terrace confirmed on Twitter that Waffles is Flapjack's sister. Also on the Owl House wiki, it also states that Waffles is female and is Hunter's new palisman.

[@LizzieDaKittie4015]

Finally! She liiiiiives!!!

[@dormens_mortem]

Seeing y’all watch this brought me so much joy ❤

[@idlescree]

So glad you enjoyed it!!

[@elenadirectorofmiiss7942]

Hunter has a blue jay because it's the bluebird of happiness...

[@marsbars5907]

Watching you two react to the finale was really wholesome, loved the video! ;-;

[@idlescree]

Eeee thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it! ASDLDsjaf Wholesome--yes, many filthy, filthy swears

[@marsbars5907]

@@idlescree Oh no swears, my heart can't take it :p. It's actually really cool tho, to hear you two go full tilt on the discussion over the show, and immediately noticing a bunch of stuff I missed :3. Darius and Amity's dad ship moment >:3

[@Queen_Audrey1803]

love your reaction here 4:12

[@Goat-tz6gs]

Erin Hanson voiced acted papa titan btw hunter new palisman is named waffle

[@idlescree]

YESSSSS HE WAS SO GREAT I LOVED IT

[@Goat-tz6gs]

@@idlescree I’m glad because I enjoyed it to

[@qmchale5130]

He's also the Snaggleback.

[@idlescree]

@@qmchale5130 OOH thanks for this factoid!

[@shawnholbrook7278]

blue bird, happiness, hope is the thing with wings.

[@idlescree]

OHHHHH YOURE SO RIGHT

[@ISPwarrior]

Okay, so Hunter having a blue palismen bothered me at first too. Y'know, since Belos is very much associated with the colour blue, so wouldn't it be potentially triggering for Hunter? But, and this may be a stretch, I thought, maybe it's reclaiming the colour blue for Hunter? I mean, apart from others in the comments saying what blue jays represent, it could be a visual way of showing that he's moving on and reclaiming his life. A colour that used to represent fear and control, now is associated with strength and freedom. I dunno, I relate a lot to Hunter so I always overthink the meaning of basically any scene he's in xd

[@philipjohnston5822]

So I am currently late making this comment, but Blue Jays actually represents strength, or at least that's part of it. So a blue jay works for Hunter.

[@Milk-ck1wv]

A thing i noticed is theres a grave in the mountains scene during the timeskip with the beast i think its Caleb's grave the knife belos used to kill him is even there or theres a drawing of it on the grave.

[@Kaipyro67ALT]

Finale Screeaction more like! 😂

[@Milk-ck1wv]

Awwwhhh I wish I could see yalls reaction to the collector talking about the archivist

[@Amber_Scarlet]

A bit late to this, but the Owl House finale reminded me a lot of Wierdmageddon. 2 seasons of a tv sho format series, followed by a 3-part movie esque "season"

[@bettynoire9412]

Of course you would...

[@ventusthekey5187]

Funny enough, I'd always considered the last three episodes as the whole finale. You really can't consider them separately. Everyones future designs are glorious and beautiful.

[@sasamichan]

I would like to see how you rank Owl House compared to Glitch Techs , ALF, Gargoyles, Class of 3,000, Infinity Train, Cyber six, Sherlock Holms in the 22nd Century, Sam and Max, Sym Bionic Titan, Secret Saturdays, Megas XLR, Harvey Beaks, Project G.e.e.K.e.R., Capital Critters , other things that didn't get there full run or got canceled at a bad point. other topic, What if Owl House got the bad treatment common with bad reboots or shows that run too long?

[@sarahgupta1622]

The blue bird palasemans name is waffles

[@johnvinals7423]

40:25 LOTR was never intended for publication originally!?

[@idlescree]

The publication history of LOTR is very weird and complicated but in short yes. LOTR really started life as context for the conlang he was developing for fun. After the war, it started becoming other things. Definitely read up on it if you're curious, it's quite a tale!

[@BakenekoGaming]

Hello, hi - I'm here directly from Hunter's video

[@livis438]

So I dont know if you figured this out but in Wicca Blue Jays mean creation, abundance, and healing

[@livis438]

Just so fitting for Hunter

[@dylansimon6243]

I miss the Owl House so much

[@joshuasmith-8152]

❤🧡💛💚💙💜love de vids

[@joshuasmith-8152]

Oo oo ooo I sh ip it

[@charlottedougal383]

Can you analyze darius or anador

[@thesmilyguyguy9799]

:D

[@sasamichan]

does The Horny Toad have a youtube? if yes does it have Owl House videos?

[@christiancontreras5057]

Hahahahahaha

[@matthewsimmons9277]

Actually the reason Collector couldn’t revive her is because since belos was controlling the titan, the collector’s magic was being countered.

[@christiancontreras5057]

You girls are so banned.

[@christiancontreras5057]

Your channel is so banned.

[@badluck9749]

Animals.

[@alexjd1278]

Wish we had more time (thanks a lot Disney 🥲) but I really liked what we got!