Why Did A Shop Replace This "BAD" 2019 Honda Accord 2.0L Turbo Engine? K20C4 Teardown At JUST 94K!

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@ec6843
@ec6843 5 күн бұрын
My heart literally fluttered when that valve cover came off. That is exemplary engine cleanliness.
@billagedad1
@billagedad1 Күн бұрын
It looked too clean, I was thinking a flush went wrong
@bmcc12
@bmcc12 6 күн бұрын
I’m nearly 80 years old, but in the mid- 1950s, I had a 292 cubic inch Ford V8 that blew an enormous amount of smoke from the exhaust due to oil burning. I asked an old mechanic, who is 50 years older than me, what to do. He told me at the next oil change. I should put one quart of kerosene in the crank case with the oil. He told me to drive it for a few days, then change the oil and the filter.. it completely stopped my oil consumption and the smoke from my exhaust pipe. What I found being a 16 year old young man, and only a car that was given to me, that the oil return from the heads was clogged. This forced the oil down past the valve seals. When I performed this action, it completely solved all of my issues.
@dirtfarmer7472
@dirtfarmer7472 6 күн бұрын
The old school way sometimes is the best way
@deeznutz85637
@deeznutz85637 6 күн бұрын
​@@dirtfarmer7472 The old school engines are undoubtedly superior as well
@gusgiesel
@gusgiesel 6 күн бұрын
Good to know you were able to fix your problem quick and easy. Modern synthetic detergent oils and good maintenance should make this unnecessary nowadays.
@FreiherrDinkelacker
@FreiherrDinkelacker 6 күн бұрын
@@gusgiesel Modern oils are better chemically but they are so thin that they get past the oil control rings and burn off much faster. I have a 2005 Duramax and it specifically states 15W-40. People are now using 5W-40 on their newer Duramax engines. This oil is much too thin in my opinion. The only thing I use 0W-20 for oil is in my 2014 Ski-Doo MXZ-TNT 1200...
@DarkBitesz
@DarkBitesz 6 күн бұрын
@@FreiherrDinkelackerYou must have never looked up the w numbers it’s the thickness in cold conditions when a engine is heated up the -40 number is the viscosity while at engine temp meaning a 0-20 would be the same as a 5-20 or even a 10w20 at engine operation
@zaytyga
@zaytyga 6 күн бұрын
Honda tech here.... So a common thing with these Honda Accord 2.0 engines is that there's a very small area where it cracks at near where the catalytic converter sits against the head. If you check in that little hole right there in between the two bolt holes then that might be where you may see the failure of this engine. Usually it's that little crack in that little area as well as the head gaskets.
@BigKandRtv
@BigKandRtv 5 күн бұрын
Uh, where the catalytic converter sits against the head? It doesn't. The cat is in the down pipe, after the turbo.
@zaytyga
@zaytyga 4 күн бұрын
@@BigKandRtv i wish I can take a picture and show you but i can't lol. But ok there buddy. The cat bolts to the turbo. The cat is essentially on the front that leads downward to the A" pipe then underneath the oil pan then somewhat over the subframe.
@S.Madman
@S.Madman 4 күн бұрын
@@BigKandRtv This guy is right if I am not mistaken the head, and the bottom end share the exhaust. It has been like this since the K24z series.
@BigKandRtv
@BigKandRtv 4 күн бұрын
@ Correct. The cat attaches to the turbo, not the head. The turbo attaches to the head.
@BigKandRtv
@BigKandRtv 4 күн бұрын
@@S.Madman Nope. If anyone can give me an example of a car where the catalyst is ahead of the turbocharger I would love to research and learn.
@BamaBryan24
@BamaBryan24 6 күн бұрын
I have a 2010 Accord that had the wrong tension rings installed from the factory. It manifested itself with excessive oil consumption starting at about 70,000 miles. Honda had an unadvertised factory recall that you only found out about if you brought your car in for excessive oil consumption. Not all cars had the problem. The supplier for the rings had some, not all, of the incorrect tension rings installed. My understanding was that this lasted for about 2 years of production. Same thing might have happened here. Long story short, Honda rebuilt my engine and gave me a 42 month, 100,000 mile warranty on the rebuild.
@kerrylewis2581
@kerrylewis2581 6 күн бұрын
That makes sense in this case
@envfirefrost3633
@envfirefrost3633 6 күн бұрын
Wasnt a recall. Was an extended warranty.
@stephenkramme7063
@stephenkramme7063 6 күн бұрын
@@envfirefrost3633 Correct answer. Good reason to stick with a trusted Honda Dealership.
@keithdaniels1994
@keithdaniels1994 6 күн бұрын
Had a buddy with a V6 Accord that started using oil. The dealer did a recall rebuild. He got rid of it (scared of it). It was to bad, I figured it would be good to go for a long time.
@envfirefrost3633
@envfirefrost3633 5 күн бұрын
@keithdaniels1994 again, not a recall. It was a warranty extension. SB 12-087
@StevenDaugherty-uo5cs
@StevenDaugherty-uo5cs 6 күн бұрын
Definitely a good candidate for rebuilding. Fresh rings and bearings, a good cleaning and good to go.
@metalted6128
@metalted6128 5 күн бұрын
Buy! It!! Eric does not do that!! He explains just that many times.
@StevenDaugherty-uo5cs
@StevenDaugherty-uo5cs 5 күн бұрын
@metalted6128 Never said he should rebuild it, I know he doesn't do that. I just said the engine was in pretty good shape and would be a good candidate for rebuilding.
@mackfar27
@mackfar27 5 күн бұрын
@@StevenDaugherty-uo5cs Looks can be deceiving. If the engine was such in good shape, this engine failure would've never happened.
@CharlesM-rq5xv
@CharlesM-rq5xv 5 күн бұрын
The only thing wrong with that engine is that the low tension oil rings gummed up with carbon. That's a very common problem with modern engines. You could replace the rings and a few gaskets and get another 90k out of that engine.
@zeropointzero
@zeropointzero 6 күн бұрын
It is a universal knowledge that timing chain guides and tensioners should not be reused. With that said, a customer's '09 TSX (K24Z3) came in last week with a long crank, no power and various codes. Found the timing had jumped three teeth, advancing the camshafts. Stretched chain, hyper extended tensioner with a worn locking mechanism, and I'm pretty sure the intake VCT was broken as well. The customer had little money, the engine burned a lot of oil and the rest of the car was in bad shape. So I "fixed" the broken tensioner by stuffing the bore with a steel collar to limit its inwards travel and "sharpening" the tooth on the locking mechanism. I then re-timed the crank to the cams one tooth advanced on the crank to compensate for chain stretch, and threw it back together. Proper start, no codes, no rattle. I have no idea how long it'll last, but it should last long enough for the customer to find another vehicle.
@edifyguy
@edifyguy 3 күн бұрын
That's the sort of situation I don't envy. You redneck repaired it because that's all the customer could afford. In a sane world, that would be a good deed. In today's world, that is a liability. The fact that you bought him more time with a car that was otherwise useless doesn't matter if it lets go and some lawyer decides you owe him a motor and gets a judge to agree. It happened to a friend of mine who is a retired mechanic. Would I do it? It would depend on how well I knew the customer, I suppose.
@andrewhouse237
@andrewhouse237 6 күн бұрын
This engine either had excellent maintenance or burned oil enough that new oil was added often enough to stop "varnish" from developing
@sayedengine
@sayedengine 6 күн бұрын
Honda engine are shit especially 1.5t,2.0t they are unreliable
@FreiherrDinkelacker
@FreiherrDinkelacker 6 күн бұрын
@sayedengine I agree. The 3.5L is still my favorite.
@PW.Skyline.V37
@PW.Skyline.V37 6 күн бұрын
@@sayedengine I dunno my 2019 Si perfect still when I traded it in at 90K miles after 4.5 years of ownership. The OEM clutch was total garbage but I bought a Type R retrofit clutch and threw in it. I wish I still had it and didn’t buy this 2018 Q50. It has been problem after problem after problem.
@sayedengine
@sayedengine 6 күн бұрын
@PW.Skyline.V37 Our accord 1.5t start leaking after 2K miles only 😱. Later, CVT was horrible, especially in the summer
@dplayfair
@dplayfair 4 күн бұрын
My guess is the shop did a serious engine flush treatment prior to replacement that cleaned out any sludge!
@shockershooter
@shockershooter 6 күн бұрын
When I was in the army we rebuilt quite a few impacts using Manila folders to make gaskets. They worked like champs after that.
@drewcagno
@drewcagno 5 күн бұрын
The cardboard from MRE cases make great thermostat gaskets for humvees too....
@Dis-Emboweled
@Dis-Emboweled 6 күн бұрын
My grandpa used to have a lead hammer that had a mold for recasting when it got too smashed. That lead hammer was the best for machine parts. You could swing it with a lot of force and not worry about damaging the parts. Originally it was intended for wheel knock offs, but it was used for many angry moments. 😅
@edgarcornette6387
@edgarcornette6387 6 күн бұрын
Holy clean engine batman.. that has to be the cleanest engine inside with 95K that I have ever seen. I would swear it had alot less miles on it from how it looks. Hope you make some profit from it and people get some nice clean parts. Thanks for another great teardown. Love ya brother.
@LBCosmicConcerns
@LBCosmicConcerns 6 күн бұрын
95k is barely anything in a modern engine. Change oil and they will look like this for 200k. I have alot of engines so I know what they look like
@stephenkramme7063
@stephenkramme7063 6 күн бұрын
Honda must have done their homework on the PCV system.
@zacharycropper5532
@zacharycropper5532 5 күн бұрын
@@stephenkramme7063yeah and dummy’s still try to run catch cans on the 2.0T when it isn’t needed.
@aaronatwood9298
@aaronatwood9298 6 күн бұрын
Those oil control rings aren't just stuck, but plugged. The super cleanliness of the block is beyond just maintenance, but was chemicals to try to free the rings. Looks like a potential design flaw with not enough drainage with those low tension rings.
@ferrumignis
@ferrumignis 6 күн бұрын
It did seem unbelievably clean for 100k miles, even with very regular oil changes you tend to get a bit of staining. That said the cam bearing looked almost new.
@barnhartpinball
@barnhartpinball 6 күн бұрын
Looks like the S-series Saturn malady. The oil would not run back out of the piston and the oil control rings would clog from heat. Later Saturn pistons had better oil run back ports. Otherwise drilling the piston oil control areas for oil relief holes is the solution.
@aaronatwood9298
@aaronatwood9298 6 күн бұрын
@@ferrumignis At 100k and regular oil changes, I would hope the cam bearings would look new. But that block should have a slight oil tinted hue to it. Looks like someone ran seafoam through it a few times.
@BigKandRtv
@BigKandRtv 5 күн бұрын
That sounds plausible.
@leagueofshadows5133
@leagueofshadows5133 6 күн бұрын
I think the cleanliness is because it was consuming a lot of oil and they tried every cleaning detergent bottle at the local autozone! It didn't work so they went to the dealership and boom new engine.
@johnw7742
@johnw7742 6 күн бұрын
I agree 100% based on the cleanliness of the engine and the outer portion of the oil rings. Unfortunately once the piston weep holes get clogged, no amount of chemical is going to unclog it or free up the rings. I read where one guy actually had to drill out the carbon to reopen the weep holes.
@BigHeinen
@BigHeinen 6 күн бұрын
Wow! New rings and new bearings, a quick hone and put that thing back on the road Eric!
@dans_Learning_Curve
@dans_Learning_Curve 6 күн бұрын
YEP 👍 It would be a runner!!
@Andrew-vd2ko
@Andrew-vd2ko 6 күн бұрын
Thats what I was thinking.... Myh friends 2000 k20a1 has 360k kms on the clock and still unopened, water pump and timing NEVER touched, common in New Zealand, run them till they drop, I am sure its on the factory plugs too....
@pault6533
@pault6533 6 күн бұрын
You forgot the water pump.
@justincase9471
@justincase9471 6 күн бұрын
@@pault6533 He can re-use it, no one will notice 😁
@claudgurr431
@claudgurr431 6 күн бұрын
I bet rings, bearings, hone, gaskets etc. plus the labor time outweighs the cost of a guaranteed secondhand unit. And a much slower turnaround as well.
@kerrylewis2581
@kerrylewis2581 6 күн бұрын
14:25 Best gentle tap of all time. Prove me wrong
@84gssteve
@84gssteve 6 күн бұрын
Sold my sister's 94 Accord with 425K miles, still on the original engine and trans. The rest of the car was kinda rough, but it was serviceable, and I got $1000 for it. Just picked up a 94 Vigor yesterday....pretty unlikely you'll ever see one, but that's a rare engine I'd love to see you tear down, the 5-cylinder Honda.
@michaelskinner896
@michaelskinner896 6 күн бұрын
Yes, my dad had one of those. He loved it. When people asked him how he liked it, he said "it honked!"
@prevost8686
@prevost8686 6 күн бұрын
That was a totally different company. Honda is no longer an engineer’s company. They now suck just as much as everyone else.
@copperlocks1
@copperlocks1 6 күн бұрын
@@prevost8686 Blame the Accountants and current corporate MO
@BigKandRtv
@BigKandRtv 5 күн бұрын
@@copperlocks1 Eh, I think I will blame the consumers. Generally they don't value over-engineered engines. If they did, there would be more incentive for car manufacturers to stick to that formula. But most people only want to know what their payment will be.
@JohnEvans-ct6mz
@JohnEvans-ct6mz 6 күн бұрын
A guy I worked with at VW was a Honda tech. He said they were doing tons of piston replacements on the 1.5 turbos and he said the 2 liters weren’t much better. The 1.5s were warranty extension, guess the 2.0 doesn’t have that.
@donniev8181
@donniev8181 6 күн бұрын
Yeah there's a class action lawsuit with the Honda 1.5 liters due to oil dilution issues. The small engine combined with the turbo is creating too much pressure and blowing unburnt fuel past the rings into the oil. This dilutes the oil which then allows the rings to tear up the cylinder walls
@LBCosmicConcerns
@LBCosmicConcerns 6 күн бұрын
Never had an issue but like anything some do some dont like all vehicles. Some are caused some are made that way. Who knows
@PW.Skyline.V37
@PW.Skyline.V37 6 күн бұрын
@@LBCosmicConcerns yeah I didn’t have any issue out of my 2019 Si. It was running like a champ. My 2018 Q50 I traded it for, that’s another story. Issue after issue after issue with this Q50.
@phillm156
@phillm156 6 күн бұрын
Aluminum oil pan, aluminum timing guides, such a nice thing to see!
@TheRealCaptainKlutz
@TheRealCaptainKlutz 6 күн бұрын
And an aluminum thermostat housing too. Well done Honda.
@johnt.848
@johnt.848 6 күн бұрын
Aluminium, it is Japanese. 😉
@AliasTekTV
@AliasTekTV 6 күн бұрын
Honda knows how to make engines but I think emissions and the bean counters get in the way.
@honeybadger6275
@honeybadger6275 5 күн бұрын
@@AliasTekTV That's the case with most companies.
@nicnadu0515
@nicnadu0515 5 күн бұрын
Just needs an aluminum valve cover
@JoeVil
@JoeVil 6 күн бұрын
What a shame it was throw out, the 2.0T accord is such an underrated car. The 6 speed is a blast the drive and the 10speed auto is super quick
@BrandonForster
@BrandonForster 6 күн бұрын
I have a manual 2.0L Accord. I love this car so so much.
@metalted6128
@metalted6128 6 күн бұрын
Until it’s on this channel!! They all are great until they aren’t!!! Says every modern Honda owner!!
@minigpracing3068
@minigpracing3068 6 күн бұрын
Send the old impact to torque test channel for an autopsy.
@stevemccauley5734
@stevemccauley5734 6 күн бұрын
Or he could just oil the poor thing lol
@ferrumignis
@ferrumignis 6 күн бұрын
The bore and vanes will be scored up badly, always the same on old air tools that don't get lubricated regularly.
@_BAD_MERC_
@_BAD_MERC_ 6 күн бұрын
Eric, been watching you since the beginning! You never fail to have me giggling like a kid. Love the 'gentle tap'.
@luisbalderrama8145
@luisbalderrama8145 6 күн бұрын
15:54 Engine Butt is a term I'm going to incorporate into my vernacular. Keep up the great work! -Luis
@Dirtyjoe_13
@Dirtyjoe_13 6 күн бұрын
I’m 15 minutes in and I feel like this might be the first good engine I’ve seen torn apart on this channel
@mickl8212
@mickl8212 Сағат бұрын
My B18C6 engine was similar. Smoking badly in VTEC. The oil control rings were partially gummed up and not staggered correctly. I popped the head off and fitted new rings. 50k miles later, still runs spot on.
@cavemansnow4346
@cavemansnow4346 6 күн бұрын
This is likely the nicest engine I've seen you pull apart....
@TheGriff77
@TheGriff77 6 күн бұрын
I have a 2018 Accord with the 2.0T. Unfortunately I ended up buying the 10 speed automatic so my wife could also drive it. The car has been great. Plenty of power and so far reliable. Only gripe are the dang door lock actuators. They are failing at 65k miles.
@DanBowkley
@DanBowkley 6 күн бұрын
I'd be tempted to throw the entire thing in a big tote and sell it as a builder kit. Maybe the valve stem seals leaked too but jeez, that thing is gorgeous.
@CharlesBear-sb8ej
@CharlesBear-sb8ej 20 сағат бұрын
hi! you made me happy with my last two choices of motors - in 1998, a jetta w the 1.9 turbo - then a 2013 jetta w the 2.5 gas. I think you mentioned both good choices. I won't bore you w details -- but I will say that those two cars were/are key to my life's financial security. thanks for the shows, I like them - but often fall asleep :)
@markday5797
@markday5797 6 күн бұрын
Impressive Nice job Honda. The former owner took good care of this engine. So much more robust looking than the European 2.0 turbo that I own. New honda to the top of the list for my next car, perhaps.
@jpkalishek4586
@jpkalishek4586 6 күн бұрын
outside of the low tension oil rings that seems to be endemic these days, this was a good engine. I'd toss a set of rings and gaskets at it, and try for tighter oil rings. But not my car, not what I'd do if I were you (doubt labor getting it back together would be covered unless you had a car to go with it ) so it lives on as parts for someone else who thinks it's worth the labor. I just acquired a 2011 CR-Z EX 6spd, and while a tad newer than my target years, was lowish miles, and cheap enough I went for it. It is a hybrid, but I like Honda's version, and NimH batteries, while heavier and less powerful than Li-Ion, are less ... enthusiastic about their exothermic celebrations. Unmentioned in the listing, it has a BC Racing coil-over setup. Handles well. We shall see how it goes. Now to work on my '98 Nissan Fronty with over 200,000 miles and it's bad transmission (4 year old replacement 5 speed. NOT happy)
@ferrumignis
@ferrumignis 6 күн бұрын
The only time I have seen a NiCd or NiMh go pop is under the ridiculous abuse they got when fast charging in the old school RC models.
@jpkalishek4586
@jpkalishek4586 6 күн бұрын
@@ferrumignis NiMh were barely getting started when I last messed about the RC scene, but I did see some nice NiCad catastrophes. One hot, hand wound custom drag motor cause a bang from draw, breaking the chassis in two, and a few fast charge "oops, too long" meltdowns and one pop, from just straight wiring the 8.4v to a car battery while it was being charged by a 100 amp alternator. He wasn't the brightest fella out there.
@jonchapman8344
@jonchapman8344 6 күн бұрын
I own the k20c1 in my 21 type r. So interesting to see what it looks like inside even though there are slight differences.
@BigKandRtv
@BigKandRtv 5 күн бұрын
Connecting rods are different, I think. Probably more, I just can't name them.
@deansapp4635
@deansapp4635 5 күн бұрын
OMG, Eric removing the the hose clamps on the intake manifold than cutting the hoses. I love it
@high-techredneck2300
@high-techredneck2300 6 күн бұрын
The k20c3 from the 21 and up TLX is a pretty quick 4 cylinder. Too bad they dont use duel injection to keep the valves as clean as the rest of everything
@BigKandRtv
@BigKandRtv 5 күн бұрын
Exactly.
@lancecooper4646
@lancecooper4646 6 күн бұрын
With engines that are burning oil, a quick easy thing you can try...is rip out the spark plugs...turn the crank so the pistons are midway in the bores...& tip in some general purpose thinners & let it soak overnight.....take the sump plug out first
@mausball
@mausball 6 күн бұрын
Factory oil filter, super clean head. Lots of signs that thing was mostly well cared for. Bearings and a ball hone and that would go right back together.
@jamothegreat6052
@jamothegreat6052 6 күн бұрын
It sucks the fact the oil rings were stuck. That engine was well maintained. For some new ring, the engine will last longer. It is so clean inside. Rings, gasket, bearings, new head bolts and timing set is all it needs.
@red_ben3487
@red_ben3487 6 күн бұрын
Yup, that's 100% a good engine. Just needs new rings. This is what happens when the engines are so cheap that it's not worth paying the labor to rebuild and the dealer just throws in a new engine. What's strange tho is why they didn't just do a short block, which makes me think it wasn't a dealer that did it. As you can see, they're super easy to work on too! Good news is you can just put new rings in and sell it as a complete engine 👍
@Gspizzy
@Gspizzy 6 күн бұрын
Eric, wow it looks like the previous owner was running Valvoline Restore and Protect and needed to run it longer to free up those oil control rings.
@kenbakker3241
@kenbakker3241 6 күн бұрын
I wonder if the extremely clean condition of this engine is an indication that strong detergents or additives were tried in the oil to free up the rings?
@jamesplotkin4674
@jamesplotkin4674 6 күн бұрын
If they had tried the BG flush, I'm sure the pistons would be a lot cleaner.
@averyalexander2303
@averyalexander2303 6 күн бұрын
I was wondering that too because you don't usually see seriously stuck rings on all cylinders with no signs of neglect or damage anywhere else.
@donniev8181
@donniev8181 6 күн бұрын
I was thinking that too but it would seem that there would still be pockets of sludge somewhere under the valve cover. I'm wondering if the engine is that clean because of the oil dilution issues Honda has been having. Gasoline cleans metal extremely well.
@oluskloc
@oluskloc 6 күн бұрын
Not possible to dissolve all varnish on the inner surface of covers and oil pan by just any cleaner. They work good but only in places wherer there's good oil flow. So it must not have varnish. Maybe due to frequent oil changes and refills or maybe due to very low load on engine. It's very likely that the piston rings would be clean and free again just by first putting something to clean to combustion chamber and later driving it on full load for 15-30 minutes. Not flooring your car from time to time kills it too.
@buttsexandbananapeels
@buttsexandbananapeels 6 күн бұрын
Something that would explain this combination of cleanliness and stuck oil rings is maintaining it correctly with the incorrect oil. Plenty of shops (even dealerships) aren’t using GF-6/SP synthetic oil and some of the worst offenders aren’t even using synthetic. There are a lot of times cars that call for 0w20 are getting 5w30 conventional, and more times a vehicle calling for GF6/SP oil is getting something else at the same viscosity. Both of these “mistakes” (they’re intentionally cut corners for slightly higher margins: most dealers service lease vehicles of those under warranty, so who cares?) will clog oil control rings while leaving behind no other signs of neglect.
@christiansi6551
@christiansi6551 6 күн бұрын
just picked up a fk8 this past week, this is just perfect. Almost the same engine
@dorianleclair7390
@dorianleclair7390 6 күн бұрын
What a Honda doing Subaru things. Lol😂😂And the reason I believe it looks so clean is because it was burning oil so they kept adding fresh oil.
@matthewbailey1126
@matthewbailey1126 6 күн бұрын
Somebody loved that engine, oil changes were clearly done at probably every 5K on the dot.
@johnw7742
@johnw7742 6 күн бұрын
I'm pretty sure they tried a lot of engine cleaner chemicals to unstick those rings before going with a new engine.
@jdub976
@jdub976 4 күн бұрын
Kind of sucks. Looks like they did everything by the book and still had a problem. Sometimes things just happen. I would like to purchase any used cars they have if there all taken care of like that though lol.
@MrSamPhoenix
@MrSamPhoenix 4 күн бұрын
I hope you get a 3.0L Turbocharged J-series V6 next. I can’t wait to see just how easy or difficult it is to work on.
@MrManuel1329
@MrManuel1329 6 күн бұрын
A big reason I believe the engine is soo clean is Hondas amazing PCV system. That's why when I see catch cans on these Turbo engines I advised to remove them because they can do more harm then good. We had Accord 2.0T come in for a check engine light and slight misfire. It was caused by a cheap oil catch can causing vacume leak.
@ToyotatechDK
@ToyotatechDK 6 күн бұрын
Removing the clips and then cutting the hoses had me giggle 😂
@charlesstull4582
@charlesstull4582 6 күн бұрын
We got a 2020 CR-V with the 1.5 with over 90000 miles. We got it with 3 miles on it. I change the oil every 3000 miles. The only problem I've had was the fuel injectors went bad around 70000 miles. $90 and 2 hours of work it was running great again
@James-vt2cb
@James-vt2cb 6 күн бұрын
Did your bad injectors throw a code, or was it just running poorly?
@charlesstull4582
@charlesstull4582 6 күн бұрын
@James-vt2cb every light on the dash came on. It would run ruff at start up but then run fine
@marathoner43
@marathoner43 6 күн бұрын
Thanks for my Saturday night entertainment Eric. That engine was pretty spotless. Such a shame that those rings got stuck and had to tear down an otherwise good engine just for that. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.
@frankmcgorman962
@frankmcgorman962 6 күн бұрын
Watching a careful teardown like this helps to show how robust these engines are. Small wonder the hot rodders / drag racers like them. I'm sure you'll have a buyer for this engine soon enough.
@lorrinbarth1969
@lorrinbarth1969 6 күн бұрын
Thank you Eric for this video. This is the engine in my car. I have watched this video twice and will continue to view it until I have every part memorized. I curse the fact that a printed service manual is no longer available. The Valvoline Oil Company had some compounds created in India and claim to have found one that clears carbon and frees rings. Maybe this is truth or hype but if true it could be the savior for these soft rung engines. The Valvoline Oil Lab said they had to test this compound carefully. Too much in the oil could clog the oil filter of a dirty engine. Words like that interest me. So, I recommend Honda owners consider switching to this oil. It is labeled Valvoline Restore and Protect. That and ignore the stupid oil minder on the dash. Change oil often. Happy motoring.
@kurtisstutzman7056
@kurtisstutzman7056 6 күн бұрын
I can't whistle either...! I've never been able to, at all...!!! At age 45, I've accepted it and don't try anymore... Thanks for sharing...! Keep up your awesomeness and don't forget to compliment someone today...! It just may change their day for the better...!!!
@dans_Learning_Curve
@dans_Learning_Curve 6 күн бұрын
Our '97 Accord is approaching 300,000 miles! Running great!
@rickreese5794
@rickreese5794 6 күн бұрын
Have a 96 with 200k Running strong and quiet 🎯🎯😎
@0HOON0
@0HOON0 6 күн бұрын
5th gen is best gen.
@bsgarey
@bsgarey 6 күн бұрын
That's a complete different car. I junked mine at 249,000.
@donniev8181
@donniev8181 6 күн бұрын
My buddy had one of those cars, excellent vehicles! I've owned two different 7th generation Accords and both were excellent cars. Unfortunately, both were totalled by other people. What bothers me about all of these automobile manufacturers is they've kinda forgot who they make their products for! Some of us consumers actually like driving cars that have powerful engines, but you wouldn't know this by looking at the modern engines that are being produced. The new Honda 1.5 "earth dreams" engines are horrible in comparison to the K series. So much so that Honda had to remove the "earth dreams" badge because consumers were not buying them.
@jpkalishek4586
@jpkalishek4586 6 күн бұрын
I had a '90 5spd 2dr Accord I wish I had not traded in on my Nissan. I got better than usual trade in as the mechanic was a friend of mine, that applied to the truck price also, so, oh well. I needed the truck for the job I was going to go do (that lasted 5 months and ate 100,000 miles).
@andreweldridge9075
@andreweldridge9075 6 күн бұрын
Fascinating to see how clean this engine was. You should definitely be able to make a decent profit on this since they share a lot of similar parts with the Type R K20C1. Pretty sure the C1 version has forged rods and pistons and a bigger turbo. Head, valve train components, and block are identical.
@ephgee1554
@ephgee1554 4 күн бұрын
Does the Type R really have the exhaust manifold built into the head? I assumed that was only for the lower power variants, because it seems somewhat restrictive.
@EvanHovis
@EvanHovis 5 күн бұрын
I would have loved to see this car run a couple cycles of Valvoline restore and protect. I have personally been using it and i can say it definitely cleans. Not to aggressively though. Pretty amazing stuff. However its claim to fame is cleaning piston rings
@mr.magicman8001
@mr.magicman8001 2 күн бұрын
My dad had one of these! He sold it at 96k. 5-8k oil intervals and he beat the LIVING HELL out of it. Not a single problem, with it, although he didn’t tune it. It didn’t burn oil and it was starting to weep from the front main but no leaks. No spark plugs, no fuel filter nothing. Had to top up the coolant occasionally as it got past 80k.
@stephenkramme7063
@stephenkramme7063 5 күн бұрын
Another excellent, informative video with your humorous observations from experience as an added bonus. Little wonder that subscriptions continue to climb. As a retired Honda Technician I especially enjoyed this video. For a couple of years Honda produced a 2.2L turbo engine for the Accord which was outstanding: gobs of smooth torque at lower RPM's. Thanks.
@smoothlover073
@smoothlover073 6 күн бұрын
This engine would make for a good rebuilder. All it needs is new rings and a complete gasket and seal kit. And while it is apart put a timing set and water pump.
@grizzlyridgerunner
@grizzlyridgerunner 6 күн бұрын
The removal of water pump 😂 it will be fine everything will be ok .
@TheMissing62
@TheMissing62 6 күн бұрын
Nice and tidy engine... An old-school trick to free stuck piston rings is to pour kerosene or paraffin into the induction a little at a time while the engine is running. No need to take anything apart, sometimes it works. And check valveguides seals.
@hangman396
@hangman396 6 күн бұрын
Thank you Eric... Nice job, as usual, and that was the cleanest one so far this year for shure...
@willvazquez3218
@willvazquez3218 6 күн бұрын
Awesome! Honda engines are just beautiful works of engineering art.
@garrettforchrist2700
@garrettforchrist2700 6 күн бұрын
I look forward to all your teardowns now! Excellent video 👍
@CaptainSpadaro
@CaptainSpadaro 6 күн бұрын
I really wish this engine had stuck around for the 11th gen car.
@SirUncleCid
@SirUncleCid 6 күн бұрын
They should have at least put the Si engine in a sport model. You can easily get 270hp out of the L15 with stronger internals like the 10th gen L15B7.
@dirtfarmer7472
@dirtfarmer7472 6 күн бұрын
The engineers were tired of looking at it and wanted something new.
@toonedhonda
@toonedhonda 5 күн бұрын
@@SirUncleCid L15 are trash LMAO
@CaptainSpadaro
@CaptainSpadaro 5 күн бұрын
@@SirUncleCid the base car makes 192 bhp. I'm pretty sure that is the Si engine with a tune for regular (IIRC Si is tuned for premium).
@davidtappe5337
@davidtappe5337 6 күн бұрын
I’ve resorted to watching reruns. A new video is always a good day.
@jk-mn9vm
@jk-mn9vm 6 күн бұрын
After almost 35 years of working on Honda engines, I'd bet it was mildly overheated. Every Honda 4 cylinder since around 1998, if they get slightly over temperature (230-240), which only gets you 3/4 scale on the gauge, results in oil consumption. It may have run slightly low on coolant at some point. Several years ago, I had a F23 in an Accord, the owner said she 'thought' she saw the temp gauge at hot once, and it dropped to normal on a cross country trip. After that point it used 1 quart every 150 to 200 miles.
@donniev8181
@donniev8181 6 күн бұрын
Does the overheat affect the rings?
@pkt1213
@pkt1213 6 күн бұрын
That's funny. My Chrysler 3.6s don't even kick on the e-fan until 230
@averyalexander2303
@averyalexander2303 6 күн бұрын
@@donniev8181 230-240 degrees with a system full of circulating coolant won't do anything bad in the short term, but more severe overheating can definitely damage pistons, rings, and cylinders pretty fast. Oil burning after overheating could also be caused by damage to the rubber valve seals and/or head gasket.
@williamardenjr116
@williamardenjr116 6 күн бұрын
​@@donniev8181Well from the US we have a thing called freedom of speech! You will be ok I promise 😊
@iank6897
@iank6897 6 күн бұрын
@@donniev8181He gave a detailed answer to your question. Learn to read and learn some manners
@brerobsym
@brerobsym 6 күн бұрын
I wonder how often it got driven at highway speeds and held at that speed for at least an hour. Ex MIL bought a demo with 40000 km on. It was gutless, smokey, and struggled to get to 100kph. Took it for a drive, and after struggling to get to 100, all of a sudden it took off! No more smoke, had a responsive go pedal, and wanted to cruise at 135kph! Mild problem when limit is 110.... lol... I see a lot of modern cars that don't get a chance to run and consequently gum up and die way to early. Maybe what killed this one?
@UBGood
@UBGood 6 күн бұрын
THIS GUY IS AMAZING !! NOW I WANT TO REBUILD A ENGINE EVEN THOUGH I DONT OWN A CAR
@centauri61032
@centauri61032 6 күн бұрын
Get some lawn mower type engines, and play with them. You can learn a lot, have fun, and do it on the cheap.
@johnw7742
@johnw7742 6 күн бұрын
I have a spare B&S lawn tractor engine that you are welcome to rebuild. 😊
@centauri61032
@centauri61032 6 күн бұрын
And watch the videos from James Condon on how to rebuild them.
@thomasfletcher760
@thomasfletcher760 6 күн бұрын
Well , apparently I've been doing light taps wrong , thanks for showing us how it's done
@woodswalker1111
@woodswalker1111 6 күн бұрын
I had an Accord with the 2.0T mated to a 6 speed manual. I was amazed at the power, torque and fuel economy. I never had to downshift when cruising through the Blue Ridge Mountains on my way to an east coast vacation.
@georgeperkins4171
@georgeperkins4171 5 күн бұрын
I've seen a comparison on y.t . Between a v and 2.0 turbo accord. ( I have a v6). The turbo out performed the v6. It impressed me. I'd like to get a civic with the 2.0 now. They only thing I've read was the turbos " wash" out the cylinders with fuel, leading to oil consumption. But it's said ( on here too) that newer engs just burn more oil
@willyb507
@willyb507 5 күн бұрын
Only thing with the CTR is it requires premium fuel... Main reason I got my 2.0t accord is that it only requires regular gas.. Cheaper on my pocket in that sense lol
@ogmaker
@ogmaker 4 күн бұрын
Eric, I'll bet you love the comments from this one! It would be interesting to see a statistical breakdown between the four or five schools of thought that have emerged. Thanks for another great teardown.
@1970351C2V
@1970351C2V 6 күн бұрын
In my younger, poorer days, my daily was a 97 Saturn SL2 with 275k miles on the original drivetrain. Engine ran great still but burned oil like a champ as these engines were prone to do. One day I was driving home from work and at a red light gave it a heavy right foot to get ahead of the dump truck in front of me. As I accelerated the engine died and white smoke poured out of the hood. I pulled over expecting the worst. The plastic side tank on the radiator had completely exploded right in front of the airbox, which was full of hot coolant. I figured I had hydrolocked the engine. Got back in, turned the key and it not only started but ran great! I shoved an old glove in the broken radiator, topped off the coolant (when you drive a Saturn with a quarter million miles you have ever fluid on hand), and gently drove the remaining 4 miles home. After replacing the radiator and changing the oil,, the car not only continued to run great, but it stopped burning oil. Drove it another 50k miles until I eventually condemned the vehicle after it had reached a critical mass of autozone parts.
@AliasTekTV
@AliasTekTV 6 күн бұрын
Had one, 98 in that ugly green color. No one told me it burned oil. Just out of curiosity I checked it and had nothing on the stick. Drove to autozone and talked to the girl I knew there and got two quarts. One to add and one to keep with me. I go out, put one in. Nothing. Put the next one. Nothing. I go back inside and she asked what’s wrong. I have her that “it’s fucked” look and she said “oh no!” I get two more. I add the third… nothing. I add half of the 4th and it showed correct. I put 400 miles on the car at this point. I eventually factored it burned 1 quart per tank. You almost can’t see the trail of smoke. The light has to be just right. Moved on from it two years later, some Saturn fanatic got it from me and knew all about it.
@Jason.cbr1000rr
@Jason.cbr1000rr 6 күн бұрын
Soo.. how did the coolant overheat and blew up the radiator and COOLANT RESERVOIR ..side tank coolant 😅
@AliasTekTV
@AliasTekTV 6 күн бұрын
@ The radiators end tanks on these are plastic. Ford does this shit too and just adds another failure point.
@1970351C2V
@1970351C2V 5 күн бұрын
@AliasTekTV correct, this. No overheating, just a fist size piece of plastic blew out of the side tank. Steam cleaned the pistons.
@Jason.cbr1000rr
@Jason.cbr1000rr 5 күн бұрын
@@1970351C2V you mean coolant overflow reservoir/expansion?
@michaelbergman5095
@michaelbergman5095 5 күн бұрын
I just bought a 25 civic hybrid with the k20c9 in it i believe. I'm neurotic about maintenance so i hope mine is that clean at 100k. Minus the buggered rings of course... Thanks for the teardown Eric!
@ComplicatedStuff
@ComplicatedStuff Күн бұрын
The hybrid has the LFC-H4, based on a R20 engine.
@michaelbergman5095
@michaelbergman5095 6 сағат бұрын
@@ComplicatedStuff Aha, didn't catch that, thanks for the correction!
@23billd
@23billd 6 күн бұрын
Another thought: The intake valves looked cruddy. That was because the oil rings allowed piston blow by. Those gasses get sucked up and deposited on the intake valves. I think the root cause was defective oil rings from the factory.
@ifixthings86
@ifixthings86 6 күн бұрын
I have a 1.5t that looks very similar in design. I just replaced the head gasket. It looked like the head gasket on this engine failed between 2,3 and 3,4. That black lining missing will allow coolant to seep in and cause misfires and flashing CEL's. Common failure on the 1.5. Not so much on the 2.0, but it happens. Due to weak head bolts, they allow the head to lift in the middle under full boost, causing the breach on the gasket.
@UAV_kris
@UAV_kris 6 күн бұрын
Ah yes, i remember when i had my 2019 2.0T 6 speed fresh off the showroom floor. I got it tuned with 500 miles and the car made 292whp 329trq. I loved that thing. Eric, next is the terrible L15 PLEASE
@bimmjim
@bimmjim 6 күн бұрын
I need 150 HP only. I just need a car.
@cowboybebop0092
@cowboybebop0092 5 күн бұрын
I'm so glad I subscribed! Your introduction every time is always OEM. Still has the home sweet home vibe except with engines... bad engines. Thank you for you'lls hard work✌🏾
@notcommon5340
@notcommon5340 6 күн бұрын
It might have been that somebody did an oil flush and clean which wiped out all the sludge. The oil ring lands may have been too gunked up for the flush to penetrate and free them up. They could have been either too late in the oil consumption cycle with the flush or didn't wait long enough for it to soak in. I imagine it's a tough call on how long to flush before piston damage may occur. Gunked oil scavenging ring lands is not unknown with some of the older Toyota engines with too small of piston scavenging vents that caused oil consumption later in life. Odds are the owner went too long in oil change intervals (or wrong oil) and the sludge did them in. Not obvious after an oil flush due to how clean the internals will be. Interesting find.
@nigozeroichi2501
@nigozeroichi2501 6 күн бұрын
A few oil changes with Valvoline restore and protect could have fixed the oil burning.
@scottallberry
@scottallberry 6 күн бұрын
Berryman b12 into a tank of gas would fix it without using a wrench
@greasemonkey145
@greasemonkey145 6 күн бұрын
​@@scottallberry I usually do a piston soak with the B12. Cleans up some very clogged rings.
@Heyyo_Friday
@Heyyo_Friday 6 күн бұрын
I work at an acura dealer. We've only had to replace 1 of these in my 1.5 years. Customer ran an rdx into something and drove it until it stop. After it cooled off it ran again. Just burned coolant through the head gasket. Edit:also fuck those hose clamps. I end up buying new worm clamps from the parts store when replace v/c gaskets
@feeqls6011
@feeqls6011 6 күн бұрын
Just came to mention i also work at an acura dealer, and we found a 3rd gen RDX (with the 2.0t) with a defect in the block casting, causing coolant to piss out the front of it. Honda covered the long block replacement. The only time I've seen a 2.0 in general fail, outside of one time when a used car sales guy drove a 5th gen hybrid CRV with no oil in it.
@jonathanparry5257
@jonathanparry5257 6 күн бұрын
Love the channel. I recently changed the Cam belt/water pump rocker gasket on my 2003 civic, having watched some of these videos thought I could give it a go. Also Love the hidden gems of humour on the channel, including the “I just may, what do you say” How about I just go eat some hay? I can make things out of clay and lay by the bay, I just may. What do you say?
@momo-hm5ru
@momo-hm5ru 6 күн бұрын
Like the Kia GDI we have. Low tension rings on this engine? They replaced our engine so now I run Valvoline restore and protect and the oil looked like it did its job. Oil was really dirty looking compared to prior change with Penzoil platinum.
@bwalker4194
@bwalker4194 6 күн бұрын
That block’s lower end and oil pump system is a very beautiful design. Quite a treat for the eyes. This is how racing technology is supposed to improve the breed instead of things like BMW’s ridiculous oil-filled alternator brackets.
@ANeigh-bor
@ANeigh-bor 6 күн бұрын
Valve cover came off and,.....WOW.
@Discretesignals
@Discretesignals 6 күн бұрын
I had to put on sunglasses 😎
@RKHarm24
@RKHarm24 6 күн бұрын
@@Discretesignals Shiny like a BALD Man, Chrome Dome!🌝
@timothyball3144
@timothyball3144 6 күн бұрын
I was going to say the same thing. Other than the oil on the bolt heads, that looks like brand new.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 6 күн бұрын
Prime candidate to try the magic Valvoline Restore and Protect oil 🤔
@kerrylewis2581
@kerrylewis2581 6 күн бұрын
I thought the same thing.
@AngusMcDangus
@AngusMcDangus 6 күн бұрын
I've got some in my girlfriend's 2.4L now to try and deal with oil consumption. Already replaced the PCV. Hoping it works as well as people are saying.
@kennykennedy6298
@kennykennedy6298 6 күн бұрын
This would never happen if manufacturers didnt make tiny low tension rings. Show us the oil rings on a 350 and they are 8x the size lol.
@dans_Learning_Curve
@dans_Learning_Curve 6 күн бұрын
@@kennykennedy6298 low tension rings is a huge issue!!
@michaelskinner896
@michaelskinner896 6 күн бұрын
Agreed. And of course the oil that was specced for this engine was OW-20. That's pretty close to water.
@HE-pu3nt
@HE-pu3nt 6 күн бұрын
5:19 Wow, Is everything okay at home Eric? You cut that hose with, er...passion.
@michaelatchison2325
@michaelatchison2325 6 күн бұрын
Remove clap then cut the hose, haha.
@BrainDamageBBQ
@BrainDamageBBQ 6 күн бұрын
Mazel tov!
@anthonyhumbert8787
@anthonyhumbert8787 6 күн бұрын
24:50 that motor was burning oil like crazy
@kevincurry4735
@kevincurry4735 6 күн бұрын
Eric broke out in rhyme because that engine was fine which made it a crime.
@chrisbrown3925
@chrisbrown3925 5 күн бұрын
The pleasures all mine, Frankenstein
@paulvaz5846
@paulvaz5846 6 күн бұрын
Hey Eric, Thanks for the show. As for the engine, yeeaahh, it was a good and bad engine
@michaelcosta7235
@michaelcosta7235 6 күн бұрын
Low tension oil rings strike again. Engineers are so smart, though.
@iadr
@iadr 6 күн бұрын
Might be an excellent "application" for Valvoline Restore and Protect?
@jlepine
@jlepine 6 күн бұрын
“Gentle tap” - I lol’d and had to rewatch.
@GoneAsGoneCanBe
@GoneAsGoneCanBe 6 күн бұрын
Maybe the fact that it was so clean inside is a sign that they had tried an oil additive to get the rings unstuck?
@JGrabo2271
@JGrabo2271 6 күн бұрын
Another Saturday nite laugh fest! Thanks Eric! Editing is killer!
@harralk
@harralk 6 күн бұрын
Until Eric found the oil rings I was thinking they condemned this engine for a bad PCV valve.
@ragnarironspear1791
@ragnarironspear1791 6 күн бұрын
Always brilliant videos and interesting 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🇬🇧
@wraithette01
@wraithette01 6 күн бұрын
C'mon Eric, now and then you gotta show a little love to the hos es
@americanpatriot2.06
@americanpatriot2.06 6 күн бұрын
4:35 It appears that either the led bulb on his light tool was replaced, or he got a new light tool (probably because the led was non-replaceable). Last video he told us about the light on the end of his LED light tool was not working. Makes it so much easier to look into the intake and exhaust ports!
@zwhitehead403
@zwhitehead403 2 күн бұрын
Not pulliing the hose clamp and then cutting hose. I'm in tears because I know some people are losing it 🤣🤣🤣
@skid_Demon
@skid_Demon 4 күн бұрын
The smash cut (or whatever, words)... just a gentle tapCLANG. Perfect, no notes.
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