Were We WRONG About Burntrap? The Mimic and Why it Matters (FNAF Security Breach Theory)

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With the release of the new Tales from the Pizzaplex book, Nexie, there has been a lot of excitement in the FNAF theory community over a character called the Mimic, and the possibility that it learned to mimic, and subsequently replace, William Afton as the main villain of FNAF as Glitchtrap in FNAF VR: Help Wanted and FNAF AR: Special Delivery, and as Burntrap in Security Breach.
However, in everyone’s enthusiasm to say William has been written out of the story, I think there are quite a few things that people are overlooking in regards to the books, such as Fazbear Frights, and evidence in Five Nights at Freddy's Security Breach, Help Wanted, and even Princess Quest
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00:00 What is the Mimic?
04:30 The Community Stance on Mimic and Afton
05:47 Is William the Toasty Rabbit Man? (Burntrap)
08:54 Well, What About Glitchtrap?
12:08 Princess Quest and Why it Matters
14:44 Then What's the Point?
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[@IDsFantasy]

So, what are your thoughts on the Mimic? Is it important to the games? Or is William still the main force at play?

[@sagebrutus6923]

I hope that one of either glitchtrap or burntrap are Afton, and the other is the mimic.

[@GhostRose6500]

My main issue with the Mimic is how its role as a villain is to carry on William’s torch. However that role was always given to Vanny. If the Mimic was next in line to be the true murderer it just makes Vanny feel less important and as threatening as the rest of the animatronics.

[@matthewpletsch7523]

Personally, I don't think it breaks as much Afton lore as people think. I'm sure Burntrap is still Afton, but likely just using various parts, some including Mimic stuff. Or what's left of the Mimic 01, is imitating Afton, and the Glitchtrap virus is just a version of Mimic 01. It still revives Afton, as the Mimic thinks it's Afton.

[@GhostRose6500]

@@matthewpletsch7523 yeah, I'd be happy with that.

[@jpxfrd154]

So your saying that glitchtrap and burntrap are possessed by both the mimick and William like glamrock freddy being possessed by both Michael and Henry?

[@antigonos3012]

I love that moment in the timeline when the Mimic said “It’s Mimickin’ time” and mimicked all over the lore.

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah XD

[@lossiehelior9826]

I've decided to not only screenshot this comment, but start using it to harass my disc chat That said, thank you for your contribution, I promise not to disappoint

[@bronykingamethystrain5676]

i doubt that happened.

[@lossiehelior9826]

I want you to know it's been three weeks and I followed through on using that screenshot of this comment. As it turns out, it's the single best and fastest way to get either loud cackling or visceral rage

[@ThatGaeilgeFella29]

Woah! Nice redesign

[@IDsFantasy]

Thanks!

[@matthewpletsch7523]

Legit was about too comment this.

[@ASTERIA_YT]

@@IDsFantasy it looks really pretty and fits your videos

[@valor1omega]

​@@IDsFantasy The OP is right. It's a cool update

[@kaptinkitten3683]

You can just get a redesign out of nowhere, my mind is in shock on how pretty it is.

[@ijlayugan4149]

Binging these mimic theories and its interesting how while some have the same idea, each theorists' theory is different from each other! I love it

[@IDsFantasy]

XD yeah

[@darkpain2452]

@@IDsFantasy FOR GOD SAKE YOU FINALLY SAY ITS TAKE LITERALLY ONE MONTH THERE NOT CONFIRMATION THE MIMIC IS BURNTRAP THAT ALL WANT TO HEAR

[@danh.5998]

@@darkpain2452 chill

[@IkerUnzu]

I completely agree with your theory. The Mimic was a good replacement for William, but I don't think all the pieces fit together or make much sense if this were to be true.

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep!

[@justice8718]

William Afton is just the red herring character that's been stretched so long, the fanon theories inspired Scott to make multiple imposters that take his name and become the killer (if they weren't one already). The Real William Afton showed up in fnaf6 in Susie's fruity maze minigame. He fully regained his human appearance and rebuilt Springbonnie. With him around, he can rebuild the discarded Susie (she's night 4 and 5 "Baby") into the Susie we play as in fnaf6 and Elizabeth as VR/SB Vanessa. Note that we never seen Vanny's eyes and that's important because they could be Susie's BLUE eyes instead of Elizabeth's GREEN eyes. Scraptrap is simply an imposter that lacks William's skills. The abusive Henry Emily took his name to lure Baby into a false sense of Secuity. The Mimic is the most recent imposter and I doubt he's not replicating this image on purpose.

[@justice8718]

Also, Old Man Consequences is William Afton and he is there to support Cassidy in defeating the Mimic.

[@justice8718]

My guess is that the Mimic is actually a combination of the imposter from fnaf6 and the original mimic. They both had the abusive fathers of Henry Emily and Edwin that outright almost killed them. They would naturally fuse together like how ELizabeth and Charlie did in the book trilogy. For the record, "I always come back" is a motto for the imposter since he saw him die in SAVEHIM, get lcoked away in fnaf3, burned in fnaf3, and burned in fnaf PS. Henry is constantly trying to get rid of him. On the mimic's side, he could possess Vanessa and Gregory as a virus, since they're robots. Not human beings.

[@justice8718]

​@Joshua ColdStone No.The actual fucking mci murder involved all five of the chidlren at once and a foxy suit. The MCI killer didn't wear a costume in "Foxy go go go!" and the Mimic (the fnaf2 endo) never witnessed the original MCI event. The killer in SAVETHEM is a copycat killer that walks very robotically and stiffly, Springtrap. The killer the Mimic actually replicated and repeated the movements of, as evident in the fnaf2 cameras. Did you know that the real reason that the employees in the safe room were encouraged to not stay in them because Springtrap was an active and aggressive animatronic back before fnaf2? "Hello, hello! Uhm, this is just a reminder of company policy concerning the safe room. The safe room is reserved for equipment and or other property not currently being used, and as a backup safety location for employees only. This is not a break room, and should not be considered a place for employees to hide and or (Don't understand what is being said), and under no circumstance should a customer EVER be taken into this room, and out of the main show area. Management has also been made aware, that the Spring Bonnie animatronic, has been noticeably moved. We would like to remind employees, that this costume is not safe to wear under any circumstances. Thank you, and remember to smile, you are the face of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza." They feared Springtrap and the customers getting close to him. It's not because of Springlock failures or the potential of witnessing them. They already solved the issue by replacing the springlock suits entirely with regular costumes. That monster was alive the whole time and it was present in the fnaf2 location, waiting for the time to make a brand-new infamous event.

[@Jesterman]

I honestly don't mind William coming back so long as they do it right. Help Wanted is all about Fazbear Entertainment taking these tragic events from the past and making a mockery of them for marketing. The idea of William being this force of nature kind of character that acts as a punishment to Fazbear Entertainment and their reckless greed is a pretty good idea. This even lines up with 3 and 6 in a symbolic sort of way. In 3, the game takes place in a horror attraction based on the rumors of the old Freddy's locations made by presumably a bunch of teenagers, William is a hulking zombie of an animatronic. He's fast, dangerous, and tanks a whole ass fire with barely any damage aside from his pelvis. In FNAF 6, Freddy's reopens for Henry to set things right. For the first time, Fazbear Entertainment came back to do good, and likewise, Afton is more pathetic than ever. He's a rambling old man lodged in the vent shafts with a suit held together by nothing more than duct tape and stubbornness. It may be unintentional, but I feel it's a nice bit of symbolism that gets across Afton's character, as well as giving some actual storytelling reason for why the cripple furry unkle keeps coming back to the Thanksgiving dinner table each year.

[@IDsFantasy]

Agreed XD

[@watershipfalls5520]

Yeah, William Afton being Glitchtrap will always be Canon to me!

[@gaminganimators7000]

​@@watershipfalls5520even though its wrong?

[@watershipfalls5520]

@@gaminganimators7000 I didn't mind!

[@korruptor9777]

Bruh it’s time for some new villains

[@Swing_Bonnie]

I will say even though I've always been on the "Burntrap is not William" train I'll admit your theory definitely has me second guessing that idea alot more until now. Because you do have a good point of Mimic never really was in the right place or time to hear Afton's iconic lines.

[@IDsFantasy]

Nice :D

[@andrew_animation]

FNAF AR features Springtrap with voice lines. If the mimic was able to view the game, it could learn William's voice. I don't think he says any of his catchphrases though, which is odd.

[@IDsFantasy]

@@andrew_animation In universe, the events of FNAF AR are people actually shipping animatronics to people's houses, and something interesting is that some of Springtrap's lines are only otherwise present in UCN, implying whoever wrote those lines was present for that

[@andrew_animation]

@@IDsFantasy I didn't think about the implications of the UCN lines. I guess if the mimic somehow isn't burntrap, then the glitchtrap virus could explain it. It could've had access to the AR animatronics. I do think it's odd how he seems to almost exclusively speak in UCN lines though.

[@justice8718]

Scraptrap himself is also NOT William Afton. The real one showed up in fnaf 6 as a human in a costume, with his appearance reflected on the canonically real Fruity Maze game. William is a master of animatronics; he wouldn't rebuild himself horribly. The biggest theme about him and the Mimic is that they never ever once mention trying to put anyone back together. Thinking akin to the real William Afton However, the one animatronic that does say this line is Nightmare Fredbear in fnaf UCN, whom is combined with several beings/voices. Cassidy and OCM (William Afton, Bill in "Step Closer") have the friendliest and caring interactions, unlike goddamn Henry. to reasonably allow them to synergize together as one being, "We know who are our friends are and you are not one of them." William also pretended to be Fredbear for the sake of loving his son in fnaf4. You can see the strong scientist aspects of William's character within Nightmare Fredbear from how they express their subtle curiosities on ripping and manipulating your vessel. So if William was ever your killer, he would think and act like a mad scientist about it.

[@gavinjames645]

Honestly security breach was so confusing and not what I expected that I started writing my own rewritten au version just to satisfy myself, in it Gregory, Vanessa and Freddy take more bigger/different roles along with others, it’s inspired by both the games/books as well as similar genres, it has my own original idea and characters, before anyone ask sadly no it’s not a comic or anything i just write it for fun, but maybe when I learn to draw and edit it can be.

[@IDsFantasy]

That's cool! I hope it's going well

[@gavinjames645]

Thanks and it is

[@thedarkest9]

I would love to give it a read when you’re ready to share!

[@YellowSkarmory]

I'd love to see it! Writing stuff imo is underrated compared to comic art, it's a different medium for storytelling and yet a surprising amount of people seem to overlook it. I honestly prefer reading to comics in a lot of cases, it feels like comics usually take a lot longer for shorter scenes, so the story is a lot more condensed and I'd rather read instead.

[@kingofhearts3185]

Very interesting, would love to see it when you're ready

[@-arcademaster101-]

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if the reason William keeps coming back is that he keeps forcing himself into the games in real life and the whole "glitchtrap couldn't be deleted" thing was Steel Wool and Scott going "guys we seriously can't get rid of him, help"

[@IDsFantasy]

XD honestly

[@bluegold1026]

Trying to wrap my head around everything you explained in this vid. However, the idea that William, much like all the other important characters from FNAF 1-6, are dead and gone was something I had tried to justify from the start. That William now only exists in a digital, virus form.

[@IDsFantasy]

Fair enough XD I just find the corpse bits and how Frights William was still attached to his body interesting :D

[@cookiesnugglez7318]

​@@IDsFantasy I think you're looking too much into it, I'm all for keeping will dead so maybe im just waving off his possible survival but I don't feel like his body still being around means that HE is still around

[@lewstherintelescope]

_Finally_ someone else pointing out the timeline weirdness with the Storyteller's design (and how "I always come back" makes no sense for Mimic)! Definitely looks like in Tales the Mimic is fully replacing Afton (probably because he got trashed hard in Frights), but yeah there's some odd holes if we try to say he's totally out of the picture in the games. It's certainly possible future stories could provide explanations for these, so not ruling it out, but feels to me like there's enough holes we should at least be a bit more hesitant about shouting "EVERYTHING WE KNOW IS A LIE". Also... yeah that is not how you hold a plush xD If you take it out of context it looks plausible, but if you watch the cutscenes themselves, I dunno. Re: Cassidy, Special Delivery also provides evidence for her being back and chasing Glitchtrap. - In the first teaser, an unknown number texts and says "IT'S ME". - In the second teaser, this same number says "I WILL FIND YOU" before being replaced by someone named "C" spamming the same thing. - In the launch trailer, the television screen gets replaced by the letter "C" and the words "it's me" float above it. - In the cut emails, a virus infects the shipping company, but Vanessa traps it in one spot for a bit and ultimately wipes it from their systems, which makes it seem like it's someone besides Glitchtrap. - In the game, Golden Freddy is super glitchy and janky, the words "it's me" flicker around your screen when he shows up as if there's actual supernatural stuff, and he rotates through the other main AI modes (which'd make sense if he's behind them). Combined with the Curse of Dreadbear and Princess Quest easter eggs, sure looks like she's following everyone's favorite malhare around, which is strange if he's not William.

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep!

[@justice8718]

I don't think Cassidy is the one casting the messages. It's Charlie and it's a weird... weird... storyline with her and her... twin brother.. Cassidy and Afton (OCM) are not like this to each other, but Charlie would be the most interested in bringing her brother back or retrieving him from the Mimic. In a weird way, the Mimic replaced her and became Sammy's other half. So that's why this usually evil character (Nightmare) would help out OCM/Afton and Cassidy in Princess Quest 3.

[@lewstherintelescope]

@@justice8718 C being Charlotte is also something I've thought about (especially because an 8-bit LEFTE sprite is hidden in one of the glitches in the trailer, alongside Purple Guy and either Springtrap or Glitchtrap), but the repeated "IT'S ME" seems to suggest Golden Freddy's spirit is involved, whether that's as C or whether C and Unknown are two different people working together. If Sammy does exist in the games, he'd be in his forties or fifties by now, so I dunno about him being involved, personally.

[@justice8718]

​@@lewstherintelescope LMAO. Sammy literally died all the way in SAVEHIM. He's the one that actually possesses the Springtrap suit and the Scraptrap suit as a savage murderer. Fnaf6 revealed that when Susie was playtesting the arcade games at the fnaf6 location, William was there and almost revealed himself when she play tested Fruity Maze. William clearly fully recovered his old human appearance and properly rebuilt the Springbonnie animatronic to blend into the Pizza Simulator. Scraptrap is literally not William Afton. And, the real William Afton was present in fnaf6 (the cameo in Fruity Maze) as well SB (the DAVE reference in the message logs). This would explain why Scraptrap/Mimic called himself the rabbit and GGY as the Magician's apprentice in the Tales books. The Magician would be the actual William Afton.

[@lewstherintelescope]

@@justice8718 If Scraptrap isn't William Afton, why is he referred to as "William Afton" in the credits, labeled "Afton" in Ultimate Custom Night, and used in all three pieces of art for the "William Afton" page in The Character Encyclopedia?

[@epic0koala]

8:26 Is that Mono's hat from Little Nightmares II? If so that's super cool. Of course, it could also just be a regular paper bag with two black circles on it lol

[@IDsFantasy]

It is in fact a part of my Mono cosplay XD

[@epic0koala]

@@IDsFantasy That's awesome! glad you could share at least a part of it with us as a convenient face covering.

[@IDsFantasy]

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[@jpxfrd154]

Let me guess, it was matpad's idea.

[@IDsFantasy]

@@jpxfrd154 Not for doing the stream at all I don't think, but there might have been some inspiration there

[@Pendragon44321]

I am so glad someone pointed out Burntrap's arm being curled as if holding a plush wouldnt make sense. Other theories have that and it honestly drives me nuts because its grasping at straws and made no sense especially given the CONTEXT - so many theorists don't consider context to certain things.

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah XD People kept acting like it was definitive and then said I was coping when I pointed out what was actually happening in those scenes lol

[@reneejump4939]

I like your new avatar model a lot I like the simplicity of the old one a lot but I like how detailed your new one is a lot

[@IDsFantasy]

Sounds about right XD

[@GhostRose6500]

I love the Mimic, in terms of character, design, villainous intentions, concept , and more. But my only problem with the Mimic is how it managed to make everyone think it was true antagonist and identity of Burntrap in Security Breach. Intended or not Steel Wool has steered us so far into believing that Glitchtrap and Burntrap were William. Sure in terms of a villainous threat and character arcs they haven’t done that well, but I just accepted that, and saw hope for what the Ruin dlc could do with William. So when everyone started saying that Glitch and Burntrap was actually an advanced AI that has been around since the 80’s and is now the course of everything we see in Security Breach and wanting to revive Afton’s legacy. I was conflicted with myself on whether or not I liked it. Sure Glitchtrap being a sentient AI fused with William’s agony is a good concept, but being an AI that was doing its own thing from the beginning just doesn’t click right to me. And all the purple mist and glow in Burntrap’s eyes just scream William so why have the Mimic just steal that? And if it’s goal is to revive the Aftons like what William failed to do then why not bring him back too? Also we know that the princess is most likely Cassidy and the corrupted Staff Bots are most likely Charlie, so if they still have William being tortured in UCN than why would they care about some AI that’s trying to copy him and attempt to stop it? It was William who hurt them after all, not this stupid machine. And finally my main issue with the Mimic being Burntrap and behind everything in Security Breach is the fact how it’s villainous goal is to resurrect William or his legacy, that’s it’s big role. However we already have a character who we believed took that role and that his Vanny. If the Mimic is meant to receive William’s torch than wouldn’t that make Vanny as a concept a whole lot less important? If the Mimic is William’s 5 star general then what would that make Vanny? Just a soldier like the rest of the animatronics? My point is that while the Mimic is great for being a form of replacement for William it just feels too much like William to be it’s own thing, and it just downgrades every other character in Security Breach. TL DR: I like the Mimic, but I don’t think it would make sense from a narrative perspective to have it be the characters that seemed so much like William, and it just makes every other character in Security Breach flop. Thank you for pointing this all out.

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep! You sum it all up very well!

[@belynda1224]

best explanation imo, you've earned my respect

[@retroghidora6767]

It feels like the story is leading up to using the mimic animatronic and program as the mechanism for William's return not as a replacement (that would just be a copy of him anyways). People really don't want William back in the story that is definitely influencing how people are interpreting the mimic stuff. Like people are referring to burntrap and glitchtrap as "the mimic" now as if a copy of William Afton, and one which probably has his body and agony in it, is a totally different thing from him.

[@IDsFantasy]

Agreed. You sum it all up really well

[@justice8718]

I don't really think so. From the start. "William Afton" is a legend, not a person. The real deal is nothing like how the fans expect him to be.

[@grandempressvicky6387]

​​@@justice8718 its the consequence of never being explicit with character interpretations. Everyone has their own version of William (and FNAF's story as whole) in their heads and project it because there's so little to work with.

[@justice8718]

​@@grandempressvicky6387 Although, fnaf6 is mad hilarious when you realize that the actual William Afton only shown up when Susie (our true fnaf6 protagonist) was playtesting "Fruity Maze". Those reflections we see of her and William take place in the fnaf6 location. Not in the past or some shit. Scraptrap literally isn't the techno God, William Afton, in fnaf6. He's a different character that is related to Henry Emily and lacks William's skills.

[@reagan1197]

@@justice8718Susie can’t buy a pizzeria she’s a little girl who died decades before fnaf 6, and even if Willaim “put her back together” which he would never do, she still wouldn’t be able to buy a pizzeria because SHES A CHILD

[@anhurtorrez]

You made a point about the arm when burntrap was coming out, when I kept hearing how that was how he imitated holding the tiger plushy, I always thought it was weird. I agree with you on that it looked more like he was pulling his arm back from opening the door up

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah XD I was always really confused when people used that as definitive evidence lol

[@SkeldarkUmbras]

The arm arguement was always a streatch to me cause no one without reading the books would have thought the arm curve was to hold a plushie (also didn’t the mimic have a makeshift variant of a tiger plushy? Why isn’t holding something to “mimic” a plushy?)

[@ewanwickward8587]

Haha; stretch, arm... truly comedy gold if you look at it right

[@spazm_seraphim]

I love your theory! I think William Afton coming back was definietly necessary even if it was his third time because I think he hasn't been portrayed good enough in FNaF 3 and Pizzeria Simulator. Sure, he definietly looked menacing back then but he wasn't enough menacing to have his whole story end. Pulling an AI that saw Afton's doings and thought to itself "I'm William Afton now" just isn't good enough to replace William Afton and become the main antagonist of Security Breach. Afton should come back, he should just be portrayed even better in the games.

[@IDsFantasy]

Thanks! And yeah, it seems cheap to just have it be "William but not"

[@mariotheundying]

Definitely a hot take cuz people do not want William back for season 2 of lore

[@korruptor9777]

Or you could just make new villain/villains entirely because character wise what the fuck is there left for William to do?

[@dylanhudec979]

@@korruptor9777 sometimes replacements are not necessary

[@Jesse-ej6jo]

I will forever and always go back to this video just for the "he's pulling his arm back from/after opening the charging door"-bit, because I completely agree! Now sure, this may be the mimic, yet I love the whole angle of 'while yes this may be the mimic, the mimic inadvertently got possessed and/or fused with Williams spirit once connected to his coprse'. I'm just so glad you bring up the fact that it doesn't really look like a natural or even all that intentionally held position of his arm, "as to mimic holding a plushie", because that's one of my main gripes with other theorists when they talk about the mimic 😅

[@IDsFantasy]

Glad you agree XD The arm argument bothered me so much because like. Guys. It really makes it look like you're grasping at straws 😅

[@VERGILGASM]

I like to think that, during the events of Help Wanted, Freddy Fazbear Pizzeria company made an AI consciousness that has William's personality and memories, to serve as him in the VR, but as we know, the AI became the Mimic and took over Vanny to put him into Afton's body, because he thought he is actually Afton.

[@IDsFantasy]

Interesting

[@jpxfrd154]

1)Personally I think that the timeline works like this: fazbear frights is in the universe of the novels, where as tales from the pizzaplex takes place in the game world.

[@lilovebird]

Agreed

[@IDsFantasy]

Checks out for the most part, minus some timeline discrepancies on Tales's end :D

[@jpxfrd154]

@@IDsFantasy so some stories are relevant to the plot and others are spinoffs.

[@cookiesnugglez7318]

This is what I've always believed, I genuinely hate that people are attempting to say frights is in the game timeline, it's its own thing only giving parallels never direct events

[@nicholasharlan6504]

Another great video! Personally, I don’t know why so many people want William permanently gone from the series. Look at most major classic 80s and 70s Horror IPs, the main bad guy always sticks around. They always come back. I get that it can become the same old song and dance, but at the very least Afton should remain involved in the story, be it physical, spiritual, or virtual.

[@bluescience9022]

that also what ı thought because other than that the whole story lost its meaning. ı mean just a robot mimicing the same person so tecnicaly theres no point of this persons death in the fırst place. this story started with afton family so outside of that makes it have no meaning

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! And yeah, I completely agree. I've always been totally fine with him coming back, especially since he is the main antagonist and getting rid of him just based on the books doesn't make much sense

[@monerb7185]

yeah i feel the reason that most people are annoyed at william coming back is because he was such a main player in the books but in the games this is 4th apperance as an enemy

[@SwitchBamSpec]

The only reason I’d be upset if William came back would be because Henry’s and Micheal’s sacrifice didn’t fully work

[@korruptor9777]

Yeah but I’m those ips sometimes their was always a new goal for the antagonist but for William what the hell is left for him?

[@marcgid1174]

I mostly agree with this with the only difference being until burntrap I think that glitchtrap is primarily the mimic afflicted by Williams lingering essence as Cassidy went to attack the William copy and Williams souls took the chance to follow just like it did to Andrew in the books. Once burntrap is being built I think William takes full control and ends the mimics major role up to date.

[@IDsFantasy]

Nice!

[@johnman8398]

Finally someone acknowledging that Mimic outright replacing afton doesn't make much sense. It always confused me why people were so adamant that hes was gone and are shocked by his return in SB when UCN already confirmed that him, GF and the other souls he's holding hostage are still around (not to mention that one frights book which adds onto the idea that he's still at play). Also the community treating the pizzaplex books as canon when there are details that don't match up with the games like a guy called edwin or the new head called mr burrows is just weird, it just makes more sense to see this as like the frights books, not 1 to 1 situations that happened in the games.

[@IDsFantasy]

Exactly! There's also a pretty major timeline discrepancy for the Mimic storyline if it's applied to the games

[@michaelross2020]

​@@IDsFantasy I also dont like the Mimic as a character. It's just so weird for the story to go "Ok William is dead so his 'successor' is a robot puppeteering his corpse that also has all of William's motives and memories for 'reasons' in Fnaf vr. Boom new Villan everyone!" Like, if you wanted a new villain Vanny was right freaking there!!! But no it's a robot who apparently through Fnaf vr has all of William's motives and memories. Thats not a new villain, that to me creates a situation where if Mimic has William's motives and memories as well as Williams appearance then why is William dead. Nothing changes if William is alive or not because in this instance both have everything from William. So if nothing would've changed other then "William isnt William, but instead a robot with all his memories and things" then again, what was the freaking point of having William dead!?!?!? Sorry for the long, probably redundant post, but idk I would've preferred William coming back if they stuck the landing with his reveal and battle. TL:DR I don't like the Mimic as it feels redundant to have a character with William's motives and memories only for it to not be William Mr. "I always come back" having never done so.

[@michaelross2020]

Also, I really hope you're going over the epilogue I think you are in your next video because that epilogue further solidifies my hatred for Mimic making no sense (at least to me) because how would the Mimic have fused into William's corpse without crushing William's skull? The Mimic presumably has a head which would need space to fit into Burntraps head, but there is no space and the Mimic would've crushed William's skull doing that, but we know that can't happen because William's jaw is intact. So the epilogue implies that somehow Mimic fused with the corpse while not crushing William's skull and also somehow attached William's jaw to where Mimics jawline would be for the aesthetic I guess?

[@gavinjames645]

Honestly here’s how I think security breach should have been. 1. The game should have came out in 5 chapters, each chapter representing a night that were stuck in the pizzaplex. 2. Vanessa and vanny should have either been separate people or the same but they aren’t aware of one another, like 2 minds sharing 1 body oblivious to each other that way vanessa could be a heroic guide to us without knowing she’s the antagonist. 3. Glitchtrap and vanny should have been the main focus to discover as we play, and they should have been boss battles. 4. The pizzaplex should have been darker with only neon lights to add to the fear factor, and it should have focused more on flashlights, stealth, puzzles and the security systems. 5. Their should have been a range of different tools and weapons we could use to protect ourselves or solve puzzles, a the possibility to upgrade and change them. 6. We should have been the choice to either destroy the animatronics and upgrade Freddy, or free them from glitchtraps control and they aid us through the nights. 7. The game should’ve had 3 endings, a good/true ending where we defeat glitchtrap and fix everything, a bad/fake ending where we lose and glitchtrap wins, and a secret/mystery ending where we discover something unknown. 8. Their should have been more humans like security guards or technicians in the building along with us. 9. There should have been more and fully animated cutscenes that are either 2d or 3d animation. 10. The characters should interact more with eachother and stuff.

[@IDsFantasy]

Well, I do think Vanny and Vanessa are separate people, but yeah those are cool ideas

[@gavinjames645]

Thank you

[@elliotnutella8044]

This is a really cool and unique take! I l have thought about many things said here and it feels good to see someone else point that out. Also the new character sprites are really good!

[@IDsFantasy]

Thanks! I'm glad it was satisfying :D Thank you!

[@Childdestroyer3.-_]

This theory looks even more likely to be true as in the ruin dlc the mimic looks NOTHING like the endo of burntrap.

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah XD

[@Gizz101]

​@@IDsFantasythe only similarities are just because both are old endos

[@zepaulolopes4640]

Love your theories. Honestly they feel really solid and more “down to earth” (as much as FNAF lets). Ever thought about doing a podcast? Maybe discussing FNAF news or even like a behind the scenes showing your process of thought and research of this theories

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! I've thought about it, but I'm not sure how good I am at doing things on the fly. I could try something like that at some point though!

[@soonahero]

Finally, the face reveal! I knew you were a cartoon character!

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep XD

[@MrFancyDragon]

I always kept saying that Tales from the Pizzaplex are the Fazbear Frights to the new FNAF games (VR, AR, and SB) They’re here to help clarify what the game couldnt do. Just like how Fazbear Frights and Silver Eyes trilogy did with the original 6 games.

[@IDsFantasy]

Pretty much :D

[@christofferthorsson607]

I've kind of been against the mimic idea from the beginning, so I'm definitely biased but I'm so happy to hear a theorist not just blindly accept the mimic and running with it, and actually bring up the issues and contradictions it introduces. Most interesting version I've heard (from a throwaway commenter under Rye toasts video of all places) is that the mimic isn't burntrap, it's the story teller. It is trying to remix the stories it learned in VR by doing things like creating a bunny killer (vanny), kidnapping children and bringing back springtrap. Still has issues and would need someone to explore it more but it is interesting and fits better with security breach in my mind at least. oh, and love the new character art.

[@IDsFantasy]

Fair XD. I spent a lot of time running damage control of "Guys please stop jumping to conclusions" on Twitter lol Interesting idea. I think its possible some parts could have been implemented, though there are definitely still the William bits XD I'm glad!

[@monerb7185]

mimic being cannon is just the new verson of stichline

[@courtney.p.s.]

I can see where multiple things are happening at the same time that lead to a perfect storm. 1 being that Elizabeth in one of her aged forms is the reason Fazbear comes back. Explains Vanny/Vanessa/Patient 46 neatly and why the company came back. 2 is that because of orders to speed things along the Mimic program is used for its adaptive properties. New show ideas are important for business, but it can also infiltrate other systems easily. 3 would be that Afton is being kept alive and that’s the events of Security Breach. Glitch Trap is the Mimic pulling Afton into a viable host (whatever/whoever that is) per the request of Elizabeth.

[@IDsFantasy]

Nice :D

[@awesomust]

The Mimic honestly did make me wonder the reason for what the point of The Man in Room 1280 was if Afton WASN’T back

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep

[@awesomust]

@@IDsFantasy People considered it a red herring, as the stingers showed him dying in the Amalgamation, with the true mastermind being Eleanor, serving as a parallel to the Mimic. But I honestly didn’t know how to feel about it

[@IDsFantasy]

To be fair, Frights is a separate timeline from the games even if some things carry over

[@awesomust]

@@IDsFantasy Yeah, the separate timeline situation is what lead people to speculate the Eleanor/Mimic parallel without the story actually being canon; a means to show Afton was out of the picture, but anything’s possible. We just have to wait for RUIN to give us definitive answers

[@TaliEpshtein]

This redesign is EVERYTHING! Welcome back ID 💜

[@IDsFantasy]

Thanks XD

[@andrewkelley9405]

To summarize the entire timeline: Scott just doesn't know how to properly retcon. Gotta look to Faith: The Unholy Trinity for that.

[@IDsFantasy]

Tbh I don't really consider stuff like this retconning. Between Sister Location and Pizzeria Simulator he said he'd only made one pretty seamless retcon and doesn't retcon things on a whim, and honestly things make a lot more sense in my opinion if we don't assume retcons

[@thebreadbunny1863]

On the supernatural stuff: I think we can group it with fetch, as following a certain set of rules, but still very much being aware and supernatural.

[@IDsFantasy]

Well, Fetch was possessed by Andrew, so even in that situation there was a spirit attached

[@thebreadbunny1863]

@@IDsFantasy if the Charliebot is anything to go by, emotions can form a sort of spirit.

[@bluescience9022]

@@thebreadbunny1863 if ı am remember well that part little bit unclear (ı saw post it room and many other theorys)

[@thebreadbunny1863]

@@bluescience9022 wdym?

[@realwaifus5514]

Crazy theory time: I think our good old pal Psychic Friend Fredbear is the game equivalent of the mimic. One detail that has faded into obscurity is that when the crying child dies it is a different voice speaking to him than the one that Fredbear has used throughout the game. I believe that the mimic is a soft retcon of the Fredbear plush to say that Fredbear was both an animatronic friend designed to follow the crying child and a vessel for William to speak through. It would stand to reason that even with the Fredbear system William couldn’t keep a constant eye on the crying child he would have to look away for a significant amount of time to work plus he wouldn’t have time to be such a close friend to the crying child. Thus he needed Fredbear to be able to act on his own through a program that could learn and adapt, mimicking the crying child to be a better friend. Once William began trying to put his son back together, his first attempt would be to put the mimic program in a replica of his son seeing as it was designed to imitate him. But when the result didn’t meet his standards William lashed out, both teaching the mimic violence and pouring out his agony born of his want to rebuild his family and to lash out at the world into the mimic. From here the theory intercets with a previous theory of mine regarding Glitchtrap. William knew that PizzaSim was a trap so it strikes me as very out of character that someone as smart as William would willingly walk into it without a contingency. Previously I had believed that this contingency was the AI parts of his suit that he left behind in the transition from Springtrap to Scraptrap, that he intended for those parts infused with his remnant to be discovered and implemented into something digital (I only say this because I don’t think he would’ve exactly been planning to end up in Help Wanted) so that fragment of him could either rescue him if he was trapped or carry on his legacy if he died. But now I believe that contingency was the mimic, now infused with parts from the Springtrap suit and to make imitating William easier and told to lay in wait for when the dust settled and for the time to come to fulfill that purpose of either saving or replacing William.

[@IDsFantasy]

Interesting idea

[@YellowSkarmory]

Thank you. People have been way too quick to say THE MIMIC SOLVES EVERYTHING! AND BECAUSE IT CONNECTS TO FRIGHTS, THAT'S NOW CANON TOO! in my opinion, when there's the alternate explanation that this book just works the way the previous books have been shown to work, albeit connected much closer to the games this time. Great video going over the things people have been skipping over, I agree with the majority of what's said here.

[@IDsFantasy]

No problem! I'm glad you like it

[@aiiv7839]

A lot of good points...Security Breach's lore is so complex, its both confusing and awesome! Oh, and nice new avatar too!

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep! Thanks :D

[@HeisenbergFam]

Imagine if MatPat reacts to this theory

[@TheStudioArchitect]

Yo Mistah White why do I see you everywhere yo?

[@IDsFantasy]

That would be exciting XD

[@richiesantana4576]

I agree that William was involved. As much as people might not like it there's just too many examples of direct references to William that the mimic just wouldn't know. Good stuff!!

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep! Thank you :D

[@lukeroberson2115]

I feel like this is a retcon. That Steel Wool, and especially Scott, saw the extreme negative reaction to Afton "coming back" and decided to retcon him into being the Mimic. It would explain the discrepancies since it was likely done in a hurry to satisfy the fans. And I appreciate it if that's the case. Scott has already, but Steel Wool doing this would show their own integrity towards the fanbase, just wanting to make them happy.

[@IDsFantasy]

Given Scott has said that he doesn't retcon things on a whim I doubt it. My strategy is to find explanations that make sense with the info we have

[@lukeroberson2115]

@IDsFantasy I do agree with Scott being careful, but this wouldn't necessarily be "on a whim." The entire fanbase had a... let's say extreme reaction to Afton coming back again. He also isn't completely adverse to retcons, admitting to having done it before. I still really liked your video, it's just my opinion that this is what happened.

[@dylanhudec979]

@@lukeroberson2115 if I was steel wool I would ignore the fans and bring William back

[@lukeroberson2115]

@@dylanhudec979 True, but if Scott was part of the decision?

[@dylanhudec979]

@@lukeroberson2115 i would tell him to role with it

[@supersmashseandx1991]

Mimic literally ripped the guys in the ffps place a new one

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah lol

[@bossco839]

Finally, someone is talking about this OBJECTIVELY. Lots of people said Afton was 100% dead just because they didn’t want him back, not because the games said so or hinted so. Congratulations! (Btw the new drawings are great)

[@IDsFantasy]

Thanks XD (Thanks! The artist did a great job)

[@bossco839]

@@IDsFantasy Yes 🤝

[@shopnil4]

I'm glad to finally see some sort of confirmation of my theories. I had always thought that William did die, and the new "William" is just a copy ever since VR. Whether this is true or not, I'm happy theres some talk on it.

[@IDsFantasy]

Well, the point of my video is there's much more evidence for William not being dead 😅

[@shopnil4]

​@@IDsFantasy yea, I realized that... But the debate topic is still up!

[@agentsloth8593]

This is probably old but I like the new model!

[@IDsFantasy]

I'm glad!

[@MorningDusk7734]

In my mind, the current FNAF lore is like a puzzle. We’ve got a lot of edge pieces, and some small chunks filled out, but not enough pieces to get the whole picture. I hope Ruin sheds a bit more light one way or another.

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep

[@kksmith2282]

Excellent video! I fully agree with this. I've always felt at a bare minimum William probably possessed the Mimic inside Burntrap (thanks to purple eyes), but you're right that there are so many more inconsistencies too. I think I largely agree that the Mimic is perhaps more of a parallel to game events than a one for one. Which is not to say the Mimic doesn't necessarily exist in the games but like you said, I think it's some combination of AI and ghosts - not *JUST* AI.

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! And yeah, that sounds about right

[@DarkShadic9632]

While I do think that on an objective level, this theory is very possible, on a subjective level, things get a bit more shaky. We have to consider the reaction that the fan base had after Security Breach released. If we purely look at things from an evidential perspective, of course Afton is Burntrap, everything outside of Tales tells us as much. However. If we look at things from the perspective of literally trying to fundamentally fix the franchise’s story, the Mimic is almost undoubtedly Burntrap, and Afton is dead. Think about it. Burntrap’s reveal nearly singlehandedly destroyed the reputation that FNaF’s story had built up. Afton was back, and he would always come back, no matter what. Nobody- and I mean NOBODY- liked that. It’s lame, it’s dumb, and it’s a waste of a good setup given by FNaF VR. But if the Mimic is our new “Afton,” then the series is fixed. I know this is a controversial word in the FNaF fandom, but the Mimic just reads like a retcon. It literally fixes the entire plot of Security Breach just by existing. And yes, the Mimic replacing Afton does mean that Afton never came back after proclaiming that he always comes back, but who flipping cares, he’s an egotistical maniac who in his own words went for a “deceptive calling” because it was intriguing in the same game. Afton doesn’t have to come back just because he says he will. It doesn’t have to mean anything. So in conclusion: yeah, sure, Afton might be back, the Mimic might not have much of a meaning. But considering how it would save the asses of everyone involved in the development of FNaF games, it seems a lot more likely that the Mimic is Burntrap and Glitchtrap.

[@IDsFantasy]

That's what I referred to at the end of the video. The books were being worked on back in 2019, so I don't think anything in the books was meant to retcon the games, especially since Scott has said he doesn't retcon things on a whim. I think Mimic is involved, but I doubt that's all there is to it

[@DarkShadic9632]

@@IDsFantasy I find it a bit far fetched to think that Tales from the Pizzaplex was being worked on in 2019. Tales wasn’t even ANNOUNCED until, like, what, 2021? And even if it was being worked on in 2019, Scott could very easily change the epilogues to retcon the games. He changed various things from stories to be more accurate to the game, so why couldn’t he do the same for the epilogues? And also, _what’s the point of the Mimic’s existence if not to be a solution to Glitchtrap and Burntrap?_ Like… what is it doing there? Why is it used as a clear Glitchtrap parallel? Why is it modeling itself after William Afton? Why is it using Afton’s tactics to murder its victims? What is the point of it being in the closed off FNaF 6 building if not to become Burntrap? Why should we care about any of this? The Mimic being some unrelated character seems like it just raises even more questions, where as it being Glitchtrap and Burntrap makes the plot of this series actually compelling again.

[@Idk_anymore_1234]

​​@@DarkShadic9632 you think mimic is a solution to burntrap or glitchtrap I don't agree, glitchtrap as afton was build up well in HW, that is not the same as SB, lore insnt bad because of afton, but because of how they used him, imagine burntrap or glitchtrap being mimic, a character without connection to William (him mimicing afton is just a speculation, without it this theory doesnt even work) And not being build up in the games, then let IT kill of at the end, that is even worse, And we know Tales from the pizzaplex were written alongside making of the SB, Now is this a retcon I don't think soo, every time we have a huge retcon (this connect to the main Story, So it is being a big retcon) Scott always informed us, remember miketrap, or the bite of 87 or fnaf 4, which was retconed by game directly not by book

[@Idk_anymore_1234]

​​​@@DarkShadic9632 And the purpose of the mimic I can ask you the same question about Andrew purpose in fazbear frights, where we know He isnt TOYSHK, because there isnt connection between him And golden freddy again same concept, but different continuity, because yes books Are canon, but the events that happened in them, you can't put them into games continuity without creating convoluted inconsistent Story, And this is exactly what scott wrote about the silver eyes triology, years ago And we can still aply this to the newest books, So the purpose of these books stories Is not about being a puzzles, but rather Tell a Story you can't Tell because of the main plot in the games continuity, or expand on the concept shown in the games

[@DarkShadic9632]

@@Idk_anymore_1234 whether or not the exact events of the Mimic’s stories are canon, its existence shouldn’t just be written off. I personally am of the belief that Edwin Murray in the books is a parallel to Henry in the games. That would change a solid amount of the Mimic’s backstory, but it would still give a solid solution to Steel Wool’s current problem. As you said, Afton being back isn’t necessarily the problem; Burntrap’s execution is. After the shit show that was Burntrap, the common consensus was that Afton needed to die. Officially, flat out. So what’s the solution that still leaves an Afton-like entity while also killing off Afton? Simple. The Mimic. Hence why Steel Wool and Scott would come up with the Mimic. It’s the best of both worlds; Afton dies in FNaF 6, as the fans wanted for him, and they still get to use Glitchtrap, all while having a terrifying new foe that the fans can get behind. It’s a win all around. Genuinely, it’s Steel Wool’s and especially Scott’s best way out of the hole they dug themselves.

[@cookiesnugglez7318]

I like the idea of the mimic, because think of it this way, he wouldn't just be william he would over time absorb the traits of others and evolve as the games go on

[@IDsFantasy]

Maybe, but I do think William is also there. Why else go so heavily into copying him to the point of full impersonation without seemingly others being copied

[@cookiesnugglez7318]

@@IDsFantasy because he hasn't had much to copy yet, atleast I would think, Williams story is just the thing he's been most around so it's what he's mostly absorbed

[@diabreaodiohenderson7641]

Didn't The Blob in Princess Quest say" I always come back"? The AI couldn't know that. We're assuming what was scanned was the mimic because of the books but maybe the thing that can be taken away in parallel is the fact that something was scanned. Since in the books the AI replicated with experience in physical form being the Tiger. But the AI and help wanted not only can possess you, has voice lines talking down to Vanny but would have to mimic it's own real life. It wouldn't make sense for the mimic to suddenly develop Afton from hearing about the murders...if no one knew who did it and the main focus were scary animatronics and missing children. The mimic would have to see the murders...not the lore afterwords. Otherwise it would only mimic jumpscares.

[@IDsFantasy]

My whole point is I think it's William

[@diabreaodiohenderson7641]

@@IDsFantasyIk. The evidence is just staggering

[@amirshlomolavan]

Unlikely but what if it's the other way around? The glitchtrap glitch is william but burntrap is mimic, controlled by william. It kind of makes sense because william needs a body and who's easier to control than a robot that is made to do as it's shown to, which explains burntrap's twitching but also makes it william? Other than that bit of logic i can't really find anything to support it but that's why it's only theoretic

[@IDsFantasy]

I mean, I do think both are William, but who knows XD

[@TheDark4light]

I'm not much of a theorist but if I were to take a guess at the importance of the mimic I'd say it's less an introduction of this new character/program and more of a reminder about where we started with the whole Charlie-Eleanor-Elizabeth-Baby connection in the silver eyes books. A robot created to mimic a human life that, after being possessed had its code basically altered and gained new memories. Elizabeth basically imprinted on to Baby so that the animatronic could mimic her in certain ways. I think the same is true of Glitchtrap. William was bound so tightly to the golden bunny that the code had essentially changed to recognise itself as Afton so, when it was scanned, instead of identifying itself as Golden/Spring Bonnie it reverted back to the mascot suit Afton presumably wore at the initial dinner before the spring lock suits were created.

[@IDsFantasy]

Neat!

[@blazerfox22]

I believe the mimic story isn’t an introduction to a copycat killer but an explanation of how afton got into burntrap

[@IDsFantasy]

Agreed

[@theshadowofmango9209]

Imo, the mimic singlehandedly saves the lore of the fnaf series post fnaf 6. Everything with glitchtrap and burntrap is actually very interesting now instead of just being william afton for the third time.

[@IDsFantasy]

I disagree personally. To me it just seems cheap to replace William with "William but not really" you know?

[@theshadowofmango9209]

@@IDsFantasy i getchu, but i think the fact that glitchtrap and burntrap are different, the mimic coming from henry and the fact that the blob might be in control of everything actually makes this lore interesting to me. To each their own of course, but i feel that the mimic 1. Allows characters from the series to actually have a resolved arc and 2. Gives us interesting and debatable topics to discuss again. Literally security breach was so dull before this. But i do get u tho

[@bananajake7222]

New graphics for id! Congrats, and they look really good!

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah! I'm glad you like them :D

[@benwelsh5265]

I have been very conflicted over how best to use Frights and Tales in solving the lore. On the one hand, the marketing and certain details make a case for them being canon to the game timeline plausible. But on the other hand, there are all the really good points you, Ryetoast and Fuhnaff have made about the books. I mean just look at Susie. Susie from Coming Home is obviously meant to be connected to Game Susie but she's a brunette in that book's story which clashes with Game Susie who is blond. Yeah, I think I need to do some reworking of my theorycanon. TalesGames and StitchlineGames are doable but they are horrendously messy theory models and I'm not convinced enough of them.

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah. My strategy is to just carry over things that also have evidence in the games

[@erickamakeeaina1649]

I personally view Frights as parralels and Tales as mostly being in the games.

[@maythe_day6256]

If Mimic can mimic most voices they hear, they could be the phone guy. Gathering data on humans to mimic more things humans do by stalking Michael and mimicking his personality, hoping to be more like him and learning how to communicate more. And that's why they know to mimic Gregory and trick Cassie into freeing them, because they know sympathy now. So they stalked Cassie and started to see Cassie's friendship with Gregory and so he analyzed Gregory's voice and tricked her,

[@undertalefire2227]

Thank you! I saw so many people so quick to kill Aftons "I always come back" because they are tired of it. W video. I subscribed

[@IDsFantasy]

No problem! Thank you :D

[@BigLesbian]

Thanks for being like the only theorist not going insane trying force the books into the games. The games story is the main thing and the books are meant to be guides or an additional fact generator. The mimic isn't meant to be a solve it all, its just an extra plot point and I think it's more them covering vr and making that more solid than anything security breach related. Also, the new art is super cute and looks great!!

[@IDsFantasy]

Exactly! Thank you! The artist really did a great job

[@TheSwordsman100]

I never thought the Mimic was mimicking William, for the same reasons you listed here and more. Like the whole UCN thing seemed to be set up in the first place to keep the purple guy in play and to later give the standard moral that revenge is wrong and just continues a cycle. If the Mimic has anything to do with the games directly I'd sooner buy it having something to do with the Blob than Glitchtrap.

[@IDsFantasy]

Fair :D

[@ransack_knight]

love the visual demonstration of holding a plushy lol

[@IDsFantasy]

I'm glad XD

[@legogenius22]

I agree entirely. The Mimic makes for a super cool replacement for William as a copycat villan, but the bulk of the evidence and that it came AFTER security breach made it feel like a retcon instead of what was wholly intended. Though I do think a mimic type antagonist would be super interesting, and I don't blame anyone who wants to put the Mimic in place of William, despite the narrative conflicts it presents. Also agree that it would seem odd for William to not "always come back" after the first game where he says "I always come back" in fnaf 6, though I belive a similar statement is in the fnaf 3 trailer.

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah. I do think Mimic is cool and it being involved is interesting, but as a full blown replacement that's only explained in the books it doesn't really make sense to me

[@BriarPatchNyra]

There are actually game hints for the mimic, I do think they planned on using it for awhile, they just implemented that very poorly.

[@brundakberh]

Iya actually think fnaf hw and SB in the beginning is not William ,but is are fake William ,the hint is from fazbear fright 5,in the flesh story is about springtrap want to reality,and is not springtrap from serial killer,but why springtrap is danger because he is are are so smart ai,and in the the man in 1280,we know William infected agony in the Freddy fazbear ,i think is clue William are not same william again

[@frenchfries2998]

I really hope it’s just the mimic instead of William. William being stuck in a constant loop of torture is a fitting fate for him.

[@IDsFantasy]

True, but I don't think it would be good for the narrative overall or explain the evidence in game

[@Andreabr77]

Congratulations to id's Fantasy for making an other Great Theory video. I am so happy to know that i am not the only one to think that Afton is not really dead. When the mimic got revealed people just gave for good the assumption that Afton was dead for good. But to me that is absolutely not the case. You made great points about it. For example the sahdowy purple fog and burntrap purple eyes in the SB ending possibly telling us that Afton is still there or the various reasons that Glitchtrap is Afton. Qhat surely did not convince me was the fact that people said that Glitchtrap mimicked only Tape girl lines in the game. Just like the mimc was programmed to do. Listen and mimic. But then a few moments later when we put on the Vanny mask we can hear Vanessa and Glitchtrap talking togheter. It looks impossible to me that the mimc actually gained enough words to mimc and have a full speech with Vanny. Also the thing about the "I Always come back" being more related with Afton than the Mimc was a perfect detail. As you said is very likely most possible for Afton to be the villain than the mimc. If you think about it the mimic is just a rageful endoskeleton with no soul or life who becomes Afton biggest fan boy and decides to mimc him in all the way possible. And as you said it makes more sense for Afton being glitchtrap than the mimic itself. In the end how could he possess the mind of a person without having some supernatural elements involved. In the end he's just a computer virus. Or you could just say it was Edwin's agony that filled the mimic but i don't think that's a good excuse. Agree with basicalky everything you said. I do in fact think that the mimic played a role in SB (for example the post it room) but that the main villain that we see in SB was Afton himself. The mimic was most likely used to cover some plot holes. Great video ;)

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! And yeah, you sum it up well :D

[@starofgalaxies]

I'm not sure if someone else mentioned this theory, but the mimic could be more related to Henry than William. Henry built the puppet to protect Charlie and in the silver eyes after she passes he built robots to mimic her, taking his rage out on the last one. It could be another parallel story and William may have taken the mimic and use it as a tool like he did with the adult Charlie. Of course William also built psyche friend Fred bear to watch over his son and it failed causing him to rage so it could be either Dad since both have similar stories, one just murdered kids.

[@IDsFantasy]

Interesting :D

[@firefi1960]

William, probably: I always come back...but I wish I didn't.

[@IDsFantasy]

Real lol

[@Carpe_Noctum20]

This. Honestly thank you once again. The Mimic, while a cool concept, just - at least to me - felt like it didn’t fully fit in with security breach. Too many plot holes, too many things to consider, as you stated in this, and as the name suggests, the Mimic, well, mimics lol. It can make it’s own decisions eventually, but at its core, it mimics people. The whole, ‘mind control’ and consciousness transfer stuff doesn’t make sense for it to do in terms of games. But as I was saying, honestly thank you, you’ve done a great job again - your explanations are on point and aren’t confusing, despite FNAF being a…shall we say somewhat confusing series lol. You provide a logical and rational explanation and don’t jump on any claims or theories that seem too out there, as FNAF, despite being somewhat silly, does try to explain the stuff that happens such as possession via scientific (albeit science fiction) means, and you provide a easy to follow explanation with the recent mimic stuff. It’s very refreshing and for once a video didn’t leave me like ‘huh?’ Again lol. So well done, while I personally think that we just need to wait for more content and games to get the explanation we’re looking for, I think this is the closest to explaining the actual scenario that’s happening in security breach, so thank you once again for a great video and a great explanation! Now one last thing…Candy Cadet video when? XD

[@IDsFantasy]

No problem XD I'm glad the videos work well for you :D As for Candy Cadet, that should be the next full-length video! so probably in about a month or so

[@justice8718]

@@IDsFantasy It makes the most sense for William to create these games and animatronics in fnaf6 as his recovered self (which we saw in the reflections of Fruity Maze) since he is the pioneer of videogames and animatronics. His work reveals the truth. Henry is trying to bury the truth and attempts to try to kill everyone, including the absent michael afton. .

[@reagan1197]

@@justice8718shut up

[@barbadroid]

Holy dam you made me re-think Mimic situation and come back to my first ever point of combined work, lol. Those arguments do make sense, about the origin of mind swapping and phrases. Nice one, I can't really add anything against it, solid theory!

[@barbadroid]

By the way I love the thumbnail, you did a great one!

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! :D

[@KingLAO2964]

I just love how the Mimic crashed full force into FNAF theory making

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah lol. Though it did give me some stress about doing damage control XD

[@KingLAO2964]

@@IDsFantasy well, your theories are great, so at the very least it'll make great content

[@OverationPrimeOfficial]

New style I like it!!

[@GlitchedGamer08]

I know right!

[@IDsFantasy]

I'm glad!

[@75JUNAKI]

Currently I think that SpringBonnieMan/ScorchBunny (yee, I’m calling Burn Trap that) is the Mimic.

[@IDsFantasy]

Currently, but will you think that at the end 🤔

[@75JUNAKI]

@@IDsFantasy Idk

[@shyguymike]

Can we also talk about how Glitchtap repeats UCN lines? Of Nightmare Fredbear and Nightmare specifically, entities that never physically existed? "I'm here to claim what is left of you." "You will not be spared. You will not be saved." "Let's see how many times you can be pulled apart...and put back together again." And he says it through Augmented Springtraps no less. I mean, that is a but big for an homage IMO.

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah it's definitely notable

[@erickamakeeaina1649]

I don't think Glitchtrap was controlling that Springtrap unit. They mention it was not supposed to be in the Delivery service and customers complained about it's smell, hinting it's actually the original Springtrap suit William left behind when he became Scraptrap. So maybe some fragment of Afton may have lived on through that?

[@shyguymike]

@@erickamakeeaina1649 Interesting idea, but I don't really see how you could buy and own Augmented Springtraps if there was only one, which was Scrap Springtrap repaired back to his FNaF3 look, not even a burn mark on the corpse? Plus Illumix confirmed there is important lore to The Curse and I don't think Mimic just made his newfound idol into it. Fazbear probably just adopted Augmented Springtrap units after the initial surprise of Glitchtrap creating one. Or alternatively getting his old body for repairs, with Augmented Springtraps appearing as a result. Either way, there seems too strong of evidence to claim them not a legion of many. It's also important to note how unlike other skins, each Springtrap one has a connection not just to Spring Bonnie, but William specifically. One which is purple, to represent his identity as The Purple Man. One which burns eternally, as he had been burnt not just twice, but probably many, many more in UCN. One that's fat, just like William was at one point "hefty", with a clown aesthetic, like what he made his own robots in the image of. And one that although we are not sure what it is yet, holds some secret. And if only A. Springtraps were Afton, how come both he and Glitchtrap claim to be back? If he saw the true William, surely he'd learn he isn't the real one. As Phone Dude said, the one he found was "a real one"

[@erickamakeeaina1649]

@@shyguymike He just says 'I always come back because its something William said. And Mimic just found out about that somehow.

[@shyguymike]

@@erickamakeeaina1649 If he says it, that means he believes himself to be the actual Afton. Otherwise he wouldn't claim to be "back".

[@WO_21]

Mattpatt made an idea that William Afton made a literally copy-paste of his mind as a program, in form of Glitchtrap. However, another idea of his is that Afton’s new body Burntrap was still intact, but it’s endoskeleton had literally been replaced, so that’s a big no. My idea, following the idea of The Mimic, The Mimic didn’t follow Afton’s mind’s path, but it’s AI was replaced by the Digital copy of William, in form of Glitchtrap. The Mimic then followed its programming by finding the Rotten Burnt corpse of Scraptrap, And holographically wearing a Mimicry costume of Scraptrap’s corpse, hence explaining why the Scraptrap corpse doesn’t fit with Mimic’s Endo, but instead was proportionally stretched and changed with the shape of the arms, body, and head, to fit Mimic’s base Endo frame, but also keep the fundamentals of Scraptrap. In simple for who’s controlling it: Mimic’s in the Driver’s seat, but Williams the Driving Instructor. What do you think of this idea?

[@IDsFantasy]

Maybe something like that,

[@Lumberjack_king]

The one up side to the mimic theory is that at least henry was successful in sending William to hell(well "hell")

[@IDsFantasy]

It would be, though even then UCN was the Vengeful Spirit not letting him die if Frights is anything to go by

[@Lumberjack_king]

@@IDsFantasy yeah well its still a form of torture what henry wanted

[@Cas-edits]

I highly agree with this theory especially after ruin. I believe that glitchtrap is probally the mimic that was affected with Williams remnant or agony. And William is just burntrap. I also believe that the mimic in ruin is probably a different mimic from glitchtrap as it is has been down there for a long time probally before the pizzaplex was built

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah that seems likely

[@ZyraZain8243]

I really do appreciate your approach. You take your time, keep focus on the theory at hand while keeping a big-picture consideration of the franchise in mind and actually addressed How Kids Hold Their Favorite Plushie! While also avoiding the temptation (which I'd give into) of calling out weak sauce evidence as weak (e.g. David's and Charlie's deaths both 'involved' a car - see I just gave into it). Anyway, I like this video and all the other ones you've done. Solid work 👍

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you :D

[@lightxz27]

I think the answer to why they made the Mimic in the books is pretty simple. With how they ended Fazbear Frights, they couldn't have William come back in Tales The two series are or at least were planned to be connected, since the first story in Tales is about girls who also met Eleanor and got tricked. But if that is true, then there isn't a way for Afton to become Glitchtrap. He already spent his Agony and Remnant in Fazbear Frights. So they had to course correct and make a new villain for the series who can work is a kinda sorta standin/replacement.

[@IDsFantasy]

For the books that could be the case yeah

[@cleaveuntome42]

Huh.. i feel that question of how Mimic learned mind control is either gonna be super simple or you just asked a question that will last as long as the question "how many dead kids?"

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah lol

[@evil_2013]

I love your new design

[@IDsFantasy]

I'm glad!

[@gabrielacristine9558]

I agree with your theory so much! One think that i like to thing about afton coming back is how he turned more like a monster everytime he gets a new form, burntrap looks more creepy and devilish unlike springtrap and scraptrap and his laugh in the boss fight shows how he evolved Afton is the main evil in fnaf, burning him isn't enough because of Cassidy's will of revange, if we let her rest then we can defeat him for real, i think agony keeps him alive.

[@IDsFantasy]

I'm glad! And yeah, I think you summarize it very well :D

[@gabrielacristine9558]

@@IDsFantasy yay! I really love your content ^^

[@Jumpyman_thegamerYT]

The FNAF community really needs to get some consistency. It was all 'The books are separate to the games, and they aren't connected' and now it's 'ok, so the books are canon'. Like, which is it, because I am really confused.

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah XD

[@lucashampton6269]

I like the new avatar design! You also brought up some things I had failed to consider. I just really hope we get answers for all this stuff.

[@IDsFantasy]

I'm glad! And yeah, hopefully stuff gets figured out

[@SkyBlew]

Nice! Been loving these Mimic theories recently! 😃🙌🏾 It's definitely interesting from a storytelling standpoint, and there's alot of places they can take it... 🤔 I can't wait to see how it develops! 😎🤙🏾

[@IDsFantasy]

Good to hear!

[@jesus-lv8kv]

I like the mimic idea rather than William coming back because i think moving away from the original games will be good for future games

[@IDsFantasy]

Maybe, but if so that should be done through the games, not the books

[@zserlpq8512]

i love how straight to the point you are. non of those "HELLLLOOO KZbin WELCOME TO GAME THEORY" followed by a 1 minute intro and then immediately followed by sponsors that lasts for 3 minutes

[@IDsFantasy]

Thanks XD

[@agnosticorange8269]

I think everyone is just so desperate for Afton to have died in the fnaf 6 fire but it’s pretty clear that they have no intention of leaving that ending fully intact

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah XD

[@hokage_smoke]

8:25 the animation here is so lifelike it's jarring(im obviously joking for the people who won't get it)

[@IDsFantasy]

XD

[@GamingBob_]

Maybe William's remnant merged with the game counterpart to the Mimic1 program? Another point on the side of "William is back" is Springtrp's voicelines from AR. He quotes lines directly from UCN, which is definitely meant to show that whatever is controlling the Springtrap replicas experienced UCN

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep and yep!

[@imjessietr29]

I'm thinking it's possible that Afton returns, thinks he's gonna resume his usual, but AI replaced him in the unaliving department, as one does. He will try to rebel against his replacement.

[@IDsFantasy]

My current idea is the two have sorta fused, since it seems like the Blob is the man opponent to Burntrap and Cassidy is the main opponent to Glitchtrap :D

[@trixtercat6818]

But what if I like getting stabbed? :I You can't tell me what to do! Nice video as always. Personally, I like it more that it is william that has come back, instead of just the mimic somehow deciding to copy him for some reason.

[@IDsFantasy]

Welp. Fair enough bpsdjkf Thank you! And same XD

[@sambar2772]

Gregory wasn't the one who put the glitchtrap virus in the PizzaPlex. It's said in the CD that there was a glitch in the PizzaPlex systems before GGY's glitch that employees were trying to fix. "While the techs were trying to reprogram the system to remove the glitch, the source of the glitch shifted" What Gregory did was, he moved the source of the glitch, which was the storyteller tree, somewhere else. "but what I understand is that the glitch stopped being a glitch and turned into an intentional set of subroutines that were aimed at creating the same thing the glitch created. Those subroutines seem to have come from you." And he modified the Glitch to still do the same thing, but made it more harder to get rid off. Gregory didn't put the Glitch in the PizzaPlex, he changed it's source and made it into a feature. While I do disagree Afton is still alive. I do think some of Afton's agony from his corpse might've influenced some of the Mimic's motives and personality when it attached itself to his corpse. If Charlotte's agony after FNaF 6 still linger in the PizzaPlex, Via Nightmarionne, Why not William's aswell. Anyways. Good Video 👍

[@IDsFantasy]

The tapes and Tales mention the stuff being traced specifically to Gregory, meaning he's the source of the code. Out of curiosity, why couldn't William be alive? Thank you :)

[@sambar2772]

@@IDsFantasy "The tapes and Tales mention the stuff being traced specifically to Gregory, meaning he's the source of the code." Yea, he became the source after he moved it from the storyteller tree. The storyteller tree was the original source, then Greg transferred the source to himself and his hacking tools. That's why we see 2 glitches in TFTP that infect the PizzaPlex and it's animatronics. The glitch from the storyteller (story) and in GGY (story). The Storyteller infected the PizzaPlex, then Greg controlled the infection and now can control the robots, like Glamrock Freddy in the GGY story. So yea Greg was the source of the glitch, but he wasn't the original. "Out of curiosity, why couldn't William be alive?" I'm not saying it's impossible for William to survive. It's just won't be satisfying after what we learned from The Mimic arc. Why make a new Villain, if he's just gonna be replaced by him. Why not just make William the Villain again. I mean, they did it in both the novel trilogy and Frights, so why not tales. It's not like the Mimic started to mimic William after the events of the epilogues. It's clear from the first Epilogue it is already mimicking William, by having rabbit ears built in it's endo before he wears the suit and the flesh. Alright enough me ranting. To answer your question. He still can be alive, but at this point we're not 100% sure. Especially after The Mimic story and everything that revolves around it. And if it's revealed, or it's hugely hinted, that Afton is 100% dead. Then maybe our answer of what happened to William lies with The Stitchwraith stingers. Personally I'm not a Stitchline believer. But if Afton is 100% dead after UCN, then maybe it wouldn't be a huge stretch to fit it in the games timeline. I mean, it does tell us how William meats his end. And either way, the Stingers end with everyone dead like FNaF 6. So, in the end, it wouldn't really have an effect on the future lore. Heck, I thought it would be fun to play devil's advocate and pretend that The stingers are connected to the games. So I made a short timeline that contained The Stingers (with the Frights stories that are connected to it), Some of the games and all of the TFTP books into one timeline. If you're curious how that mess looks, here's the link: www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/comments/13fp94k/i_made_a_timeline_of_stichline_and_all_of_the/

[@IDsFantasy]

@@sambar2772 If Gregory was just relocating the code, why would it have his Gs and Ys in it, and how would they be able to trace it to him? Why would it stand out if the code had already been there? Given the fact that there is a human corpse attached to Burntrap along with specifically burnt Spring Bonnie casing, I am definitely inclined to believe William is back in some capacity, but I do understand where you're coming from. Yeah, I don't personally believe Stitchline, as that would mean there are 6 MCI kids and Funtime Freddy went off and did its own thing then rejoined with Ennard at some point. Who knows lol

[@sambar2772]

@@IDsFantasy Like I said, he modified the code to make it harder to get rid off. The Storyteller tree infected the PizzaPlex, While Greg modified it to make the glitch harder to get rid of and making it a feature and control the robots. The Gs and Ys are the result of these modifications. Like the CDs say, the GGY glitch is trying to do the same thing as the previous glitch. He also changed it because Fazbears were familiar with the Mimic1 program, so Greg had to modify it to make it unfamiliar to the workers. Fair. I guess we'll have to wait until the next couple epilogues tell us. I mean, technically Andrew wasn't apart of the MCI, he was killed separately from the others, the vision we see in into the pit is just a corrupted memory made by Eleanor. Andrew might possibly have even died in another Fazbear location if we take the story The New Kid into account, where we see a kid with black curly hair stuffed into a golden freddy suit, the kid most likely being Andrew. So if that's true. That would mean Afton killed Andrew and stuffed him into a golden freddy suit in one of the sister location's. That could maybe explain why TOYSNHK sometimes takes the appearance of golden freddy. It's not the same golden freddy that cassidy was stuffed into. It's another golden freddy suit from a different location. Which we know exists since fnaf 3 tells us that the springlock incidents occurred in some of the sister locations, so multiple golden freddys do exist. But if I'm wrong on that and Andrew did die in the OG Freddy's, then judging by the Toy chica cutscenes, where it shows 7 victims killed by toy Chica, Andrew was possibly killed outside, because maybe Afton enjoyed his killing spree a little to much at this point, and hid his body somewhere in the pizzeria, maybe in one of the spare costumes that came in after the banning of springlocks. Technically, the funtime freddy we see in count the ways isn't the same funtime freddy. Their personalities are completely different. The og Funtime Freddy couldn't even talk on his own, he used pre recorded voice lines. So where did he come from ? IDK, my best guess is that he's an older funtime freddy that afton scrapped like yenndo, lolbit and bonnet. It also can't be the OG funtime freddy anyways since the story takes place after fnaf 6. I know I sound like a Stichline believer at this point, but ever since The Mimic stories and the possibility that afton could be 100% dead. I've started to analyse the stingers and see if they truly can be in the games. While there are some minor inconsistencies, they don't really effect the larger picture. But again, I'm still not 100% confident that they are Canon

[@MBdynamoBostik]

1:00 I had a funny feeling that Felix the Shark was foreshadowing all this.

[@IDsFantasy]

Pfft nice

[@MBdynamoBostik]

@@IDsFantasy So, I reread Felix the Shark and realised maybe this book has more connections to tales of the pizzaplex than I initially thought. I'm probably going to look further into this...

[@noahthespike]

Amazing video, as always! And as I tend to say, "Mimic or Afton, he's still Peepaw"

[@IDsFantasy]

Thanks! And fair enough lol

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

I don't think he's curling his arm because plushie behaviour but rather he didn't get used to his left arm since he's missing it for god how long since we see him in FNaF6 And the fact that he doesn't talk at all does support the idea of burntrap being a Mimic

[@IDsFantasy]

Makes sense lol He actually does have voice lines, just laughing rather than words :D

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

@@IDsFantasy Scrapped voice lines?

[@witheredbonniez]

The whole time i was just staring at your new avatar and comparing it to your old one😂. Love the redesigned avatar

[@IDsFantasy]

I'm glad you like it XD

[@mr.cgaming2754]

THANK YOU! THANK YOU! This theory works so well! This mimic thing has been a thorn in my side for weeks about being a replacement for William. Your theory makes so much sense for possible future events. Great work!

[@IDsFantasy]

No problem! Thank you :D

[@at_witts_end3470]

Candy Cadet literally confirmed the mimic is canon and most likely Burntrap. RIP

[@IDsFantasy]

Actually I disagree. Given Mimic looks nothing like Burntrap minus a hand and behaves nothing like him, I took the DLC as confirmation it was its own thing

[@reddishcarp1237]

No it doesn't, Ruin dlc literally confirms Burntrap & Mimic are separate entities.

[@harrishromero6447]

​@@reddishcarp1237just a different endo i guess

[@dylanhudec979]

@@reddishcarp1237 no it doesn’t confirm

[@JayCool-tl9si]

I dont really like when the lore relies on the books it makes it confusing becuase some elements are more litteral and some more metaphoric

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah. I like how the books clarify things, but I don't think it should be the main thing we go off of for everything