If a man doesn't want a baby, should he able to have a "financial abortion"?

Ft @randirossario, @kitarose_, @richiefontane, @acemetaphor, @rico_hundo, @justmikethepoet
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[@TaylorCorrien]

Responsibility begins when you lay down with that person

[@Marshay]

Exactly

[@Dhuxul9]

Please don’t forget to tell this to women who want abortion rights to murder babies in their womb!

[@ajaysmith7232]

Nope it doesn’t, a guy sleeps with a gal unprotected, a guy lives money for plan b but shortie decides not to get one and boom she prego?

[@Marshay]

@@ajaysmith7232 it starts when you lay down, plan b isn’t guaranteed and gave her the money for it, means nothing

[@bridgetkasi4414]

Totally agree...responsibly starts the minute they chose to have unprotected sex....

[@___shaishayshae__]

This conversation deserves so much spiritual context, but if we’re going to keep it secular, do not be having secks with people that want something different than you, weather that’s children or no children period. Spiritually, why would you open yourself up to someone in that way if you feel they want something different than you want that’s kinda weird and we should stop normalizing it.

[@psmith5830]

Because of sexual arousal sexual gratification and the methods that are used to arrive to achieve those desires, is why people do not talk about or engage in conversation inquiring the desires of the next person longterm plans. longevity isn't expected. if their desire is right here right now or casually being with you from time to time . A real response for the real world not because it is seen as secular but because it is the truth in some cases. Thankfully they don't use the misguidance of biblical scripture here. Since its not a real or even healthy mandate for humanity and the universe..... now I recognize its mature and intelligent to be open with whom your interested in about your agenda with them asked whats theirs and include yall financial and family interests.... this is a part of Planned Parenthood... and from there use protection because of STDs and contraceptives if it is discovered that neither one of y'all or at least one of y'all don't want kids or at least don't want them right now ....easy

[@electricmaster23]

Yeah, but what if the woman says she doesn't want kids but then changes her mind and financially (and psychologically) fucks over the guy for the next 21 years? Fuck. That.

[@brimar7869]

@@psmith5830 i don’t think you get to decide on what’s real and a healthy mandate for humanity and .. the universe, you’re entitled to your own opinion but not to be disrespectful and entitled to the way ppl should live and what’s a important guidance in their life .

[@psmith5830]

@@brimar7869 yes I can't mandate anything nor can I determine if someone should be under any type of mandatory rules. But I will critical think by analyzing the intention, methods of systems and share what I learn and embrace healthy concepts from others.. I just like to give perspectives to things.

[@shaysprings1413]

Right

[@MBCrusin]

As a woman, why would you even want to have a baby from a man that told you he didn’t want the baby. That alone is enough for me, but y’all do you.

[@jamiaylaphipps5689]

It’s not easy and not all women can mentally cope with aborting their child, for example plenty of women keep their children after being raped.

[@MBCrusin]

@@jamiaylaphipps5689 I can stomach an abortion before being a single mother, but again you do you.

[@plymakkayestudio1827]

@@jamiaylaphipps5689 Fucking excuses. PLAN B is there for a reason

[@plymakkayestudio1827]

@@MBCrusin Thank you

[@jamiaylaphipps5689]

@@plymakkayestudio1827 honey what excuse? Emergency contraceptives have carcinogens in them, birth controls a cause plenty of health issues, abortions can cause fertility complications, and giving birth comes with a many risks including death. And all those choices come with groups of people judging them. The point is it’s the woman’s body and mind at risk so it’s her choice to decide which road she takes. Men have choices and they start and end with their bodies. Both men and women take a chance, so both should take responsibility for the child if mom decides she wants to keep it. But since it’s an excuse what happens if the contraceptive wasn’t effective cause that happens too?

[@tandimusic]

The best protection is abstinence. 😜😜😜🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️😂😂😂😂

[@ChemEngulfMann]

Very pro life argument that.

[@lovegoddess2040]

Oh but they have "needs."

[@stealthbrawler]

@@lovegoddess2040so consent to sex is consent to pregnancy? Abortion is over then lol. You don’t get to be a hypocrite on this.

[@lovegoddess2040]

@@stealthbrawler yes it is Stealth

[@stealthbrawler]

@@lovegoddess2040 then women shouldn’t be able to have abortions without medical complications.

[@ChanelStar1]

*If you like having unprotected sex but don’t want a baby, get a vasectomy until you are ready. Also get tested regularly.*

[@electricmaster23]

Condoms aren't perfect.

[@Keemac00]

Vasectomy is irreversible lol

[@ChanelStar1]

@@Keemac00 Vasectomy's *ARE* reversible. The effectiveness of conceiving after a three year period it becomes difficult.

[@Yna-u3g]

@@Keemac00 It's reversible....

[@unknownbannana8241]

U can say the same to women that want abortion should have had ur tubes tied and close ur legs

[@jahjah1769]

Do not have sex, unprotected or not with a person you would not want to have a baby with.

[@electricmaster23]

That's absolute bullshit. So a man basically has to have a vasectomy or remain celibate for life? What if they can't afford the procedure or change their mind later in life. Terrible argument.

[@bnyonbom8676]

@@electricmaster23 dang that sucks. Too bad

[@504gucci4]

If every women in America decided not have sex until they get a wedding ring then this wouldn't even be a topic

[@bnyonbom8676]

@@504gucci4 agree, but rape would still happen if men don't get a vasectomy. As to this day it still happens

[@504gucci4]

@@bnyonbom8676 majority of men aren't out here raping females & getting them pregnant -_-

[@shantellalston234]

Women can wear condoms too. Protect yourself too and take accountability that you are responsible for your womb.

[@YoungMoneyfast7Boss]

Thank u!!!!!!!

[@ddoubleu170]

That’s not even the topic of the conversation. 😂 A woman can’t get herself pregnant. FULL STOP. Just like women can control who gets them pregnant- men can control who they get pregnant.

[@vivianraw]

True. However, female condoms can get pushed to the side...male condoms are safer and more secure overall.

[@shakearikeari7155]

I’m that girl that’s not getting an abortion , I’m not taking a plan b or nothing. I’m also the girl that’s not sleeping around with men that i don’t see myself having kids with so yea ( i don’t sleep around periodt) this conversation is for the loosey goosey ppl

[@dawnraquel6891]

This conversation is for all people because its really about communication. Have a convo about kids prior to engaging in sex and having a clear understanding of what each other would do if pregnancy occurs no matter what type of situation you are in.

[@fatumahkukundanabulime6258]

Agreed!

[@brizzle2339]

You on the pill?? You having that conversation with your partner before sex??

[@bobbym1799]

@@dawnraquel6891 agreed

[@Mr.Oct___]

False. This is a real conversation to be had by all engaging in sex & interacting w/ the opposite gender.

[@courtneycourtney1060]

This is why you should be in a relationship with someone before deciding to have sex unprotected. Conversations should be had upfront about plan-b’s or birth control or whatever. Otherwise you handing your dna over to another human being and what they do with it is out of your control (men) cause you can’t take back the act . Men should be more responsible when it comes to having unprotected sex because of this.

[@jahbawl8947]

Women be flip flop say 1 thing n then commit to something different

[@JoshNtheedrifter]

*married

[@rainbeauxunicorn5237]

That’s doesn’t make sense. A relationship doesn’t mean you want a baby.

[@Mr.Oct___]

That solves nothing. I don't understand why everyone wants to pin men down while women get the right to choose and change their minds. So do we. ..We can be committed & say we want a child...then feel diff in the third trimester. ...That right should be available w/ out any interference.

[@truettadevil]

@@rainbeauxunicorn5237 unprotected sex does..

[@highron8160]

The one thing in this video that the men do not understand is they are only giving up their peace of mind. When the women are literally giving up their bodies, mind, giving or taking a life and Spirit if and when they decide to keep the/a child or not.

[@felalati5078]

Marry before you carry someone said. I think it’s the best solution

[@cynih]

That statement does not apply across the board for men.

[@Marshay]

Exactly

[@Dhuxul9]

Giving birth is natural thing it is not giving up a body please lady! And if a woman can murder and abort the child a man should be able to abort it financially

[@Dhuxul9]

How about you just become a better women and have protected sex instead of being street trash

[@carolineholden5019]

I completely agree with that because if a man says oh I want to keep this baby but the woman says she doesn't she does have the right to go get an abortion and not even tell the man so it's only right that a man should be able to have somewhat of the same option but half the women on here are going to be like oh that's wrong but no that's equality like we wanted

[@bobbym1799]

I disagree why not find out if she pro choice or pro life before going in raw?

[@bobbym1799]

@Randomized factz

[@rainbeauxunicorn5237]

Yes she does. You can’t make anyone have a baby they don’t want. So to avoid all that… find a woman that wants YOUR children. A woman you happen upon, who may even want children one day, doesn r have to have YOURS if she isn’t ready or doesn’t want to. What do you y’all have against finding women who want to have your children?

[@rainbeauxunicorn5237]

@@bobbym1799… thank you. But not just that. Go a little further and find out if she would be willing to have YOUR baby if she gets pregnant.

[@bobbym1799]

@@rainbeauxunicorn5237 factz

[@chloelageaux769]

It's so sad that some men have this mindset! They will say, " The woman has all of the power! She can get rid of it or give it up for adoption!" To absolve themselves of their responsibility! That's the most SELFISH thing that I've ever heard! Firstly, men have all of the power BEFORE the child is ever conceived! If self control was exercised they wouldn't be in that situation! Because finances are involved they want to sever ties and run! Now, the blame switches to the woman who has to make the HARDEST decision of her life to kill this child or give them away not knowing what's going to happen to them except that they are out in the world somewhere hopefully living a good life! We have got to be more considerate and conscious of making like altering decisions based on just a few minutes of pleasure! Telling a woman that you don't want a child ,then proceeding to sleep with her unprotected is the most inane thing that I've ever heard! Learn to take responsibility for your actions!

[@antoniomatthews4459]

Women control sex, men control relationships and marriages. Choose better when laying up with some dude.

[@Noel-Marie4]

@@antoniomatthews4459 males should choose better in who they ejaculate in. It goes both ways.

[@antoniomatthews4459]

@@Noel-Marie4 males do choose......who they make their wives

[@Noel-Marie4]

@@antoniomatthews4459 and they also choose who they make a mother. Accountability goes both ways.

[@antoniomatthews4459]

@@Noel-Marie4 and those women choose to be mothers

[@intodaysepisode...]

I would love for men not wanting babies to use protection OR get a vasectomy!

[@berrymckockiner5883]

We would love pure wmn

[@deborahsmith27]

Foul individuals, killing a child is a safety measure??? God please come home soon

[@sharjack75]

They are crazy and selfish as hell

[@KaptainKoke]

Depends how far along, it’s developing cells for a couple of weeks

[@s.n.9485]

There's no God.

[@electricmaster23]

A placenta is not a child, ffs.

[@VONiiE8]

Rico said “I despise that rebuttal ‘why have sex’ because…” sir, that wasn’t the rebuttal. You literally missed the “without a condom” part 🙄

[@Yna-u3g]

Selective hearing....!!

[@Tevaughn13]

@@Yna-u3g why let a nigga fuck you wit no condom hall act like sex only takes one person both men and women have to lay down and agree to have sex but ig

[@Yna-u3g]

@@Tevaughn13That's a silly question....Everyone has their own reasons....Go take a survey....I can't answer for all women...

[@truettadevil]

He slow...

[@yahoomcrazy]

No, respectfully, ur missing HIS point. It’s not the words that he was rebuking. It was the spirit of the words. The spirit being that the woman put the responsibility of safe/responsible sex solely on the man. WHICH THE MAN DOES OWN A PORTION OF. But then Rico started to outline the topic of RESPONSIBILITY thru the lenses of both men and women and what measures can be taken after conception or birth. And what he outlined was the huge disparity between the options that men have and the options that women have. And this is all prefaced within a society where IDEALLY ppl should take the correct measures when having sex. But in REALITY the majority of ppl are not. So u have to address the reality and not the ideal. And to do that u have to ignore the personal and specific situations of individuals and address our sexual social structure as a whole. Which is why when he fully explained himself, the other women on the panel (who are very confident and outspoken) agreed with him in the end.

[@teresasatchell]

Once you decide to have protected or unprotected sex with someone and you do not plan together what will happen if you get pregnant, then I feel you cannot get mad at eachother if you both don't want the same thing if the female gets pregnant. It is both your responsibility to have that conversation. Now if you have the conversation prior to pregnancy and you do not agree and you still decide to lay down then again can't get mad at each other because both of you decided to still have sex after you knew you both didn't agree on not having or having kids.

[@zonkbadonk3937]

What if you do have the conversion but the woman changes her mind afterwards?

[@HarmanSingh-mc9ou]

That makes no sense. Safe intercourse methods fail. Even after having conversation before, woman can change her mind later. This has nothing to do with intercourse, you have the legal provision of abortion, yes? That means you have provision to choose parenthood after accidental pregnancy. Don't be cute & hypocritic by being ignorant of this. Can't really see double standards here can you?

[@brittanymillner]

These conversations are disgusting. Basement comments and gutter thinking.

[@HarmanSingh-mc9ou]

Is argument about physical abortion also baseless & gutter thinking? Because the similar logic that made abortion legal applies here. You'll see it if you didn't have double standards about equal rights related to choose parenthood. Women can opt out after being irresponsible like its her birth right but it's suddenly immoral for guy to do the same?

[@amyking9812]

The man with the dreads ain't shit 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kikirogers8637]

😂😂😂

[@troya.8094]

Truth does sting.

[@s.n.9485]

He's just telling the truth, where is the lie?

[@jtgjg65]

U kno women have condoms too

[@Dhuxul9]

Amy you are a fool! If a man doesn’t want a baby it is his choice and his wallet

[@HxneyAlmxnd]

As a woman currently going through this situation. He asked me to give him a baby and then when I get pregnant he backs out. I agree to be a single mother, I’m not about to be out here popping pills and kxxxxxx babies just because he doesn’t want to accept accountability. It will be treacherous journey and I accept the challenge.

[@AlliterativeAtheist]

Did you want a baby ?

[@mmmmmmmm-xp1mw]

You lying

[@whitleybutler9981]

This conversation boils back down to WATCHING WHO YOU LAY DOWN W/ (male, female, or otherwise)! I hope everyone is having a blessed Sunday night. ❤😂😌

[@ddavis8988]

If she tells you that she's not gonna take plan Bs, then why are you dealing with her dude? Where is all this responsibility and accountability I keep hearing dudes screaming about online all day?

[@markjefferson2434]

That should be illegal to trap someone. If it’s your body; then it’s your decision. You cannot make a decision without a man. And vice versa; if a woman doesn’t want it; it should be punishable by law either way and I GUARANTEE IT WOULD STOP. All this keep a man or woman baby is SELFISH!

[@MsBrown-tu4vv]

This just pissed me off. At the end of the day, men KNOW what the risks are before CHOOSING to do what it takes to make a child. At the end of the day the child, YOUR CHILD, had no choice and shouldn’t suffer because you as the adult don’t also CHOOSE to be accountable and responsible for your own actions AND consequences of them🙄

[@leesmitty362]

Yeah but the flip side to that is that when a woman gets pregnant, and decided she doesn’t want it. She can have an abortion, even if the man wants the child. You didn’t understand the conversation. It’s about the fact that there isn’t equality when it comes to pregnancy between men and women. It’s setup for men to lose either way

[@sharjack75]

They are disgusting

[@anitaneal1779]

Just because a woman decides to have an unplanned baby doesn’t mean the father will step up the way she wants him to? Instead of getting angry and using abusive language you should listen to the other side. That’s what an intelligent person would do. S&x is not a commitment.

[@MsBrown-tu4vv]

@@anitaneal1779 An Intelligent person knows that sperm+ egg= baby and just because you don’t WANT the consequences of an action doesn’t mean you’re not still responsible for your actions or the subsequent consequences of them. An intelligent person understands that when it comes to innocent children and irresponsible parents, nobody gives a sht about the parents EXCUSES for neglecting their child. Also, cursing is not a sign of intelligence or lack there of. The ability to read with comprehension, however, IS! 🤷🏾‍♀️ TF!🙄😂👋🏾

[@joshuaaaron617]

Look here Ms. Brown. Look at the animosity your post stirred in this person. Why? Women have the choice that men do not have, either by court order or public stigma. Dead beat dads don't exist in a world where the mothers choose the responsibility of bringing a life into this world or not. Just tyrannical laws unjustly imprisoning men because women exercise their freedom of choice.

[@lowkeyv2614]

Protect yourself fellas women do not care about their womb as much as we think they do...that's why the rebuttal is always "don't have unprotected sex if you don't want a baby" but the women aren't requiring the condom and they are the gatekeepers of sex...she is not going to say she is choosing to have unprotected sex because she wants a baby even tho she does...

[@animes399]

One word. Vasectomy. And has he even seen what the lady goes through during the abortion process. They never experience the horrible, humiliating, painful, traimatic process. Men make abortion sound as if you going to a barber to get your hair cut out or something.

[@zonkbadonk3937]

Vasectomies can and sometimes do fail, you know?

[@animes399]

@@zonkbadonk3937 Ohh well. Guess we will have to chop off everything down there...just to be sure.🤔 Who's with me!😎

[@SophiaGoodThings]

Before a baby is conceived, You. Have. The. Option. To. Use. Protection. Unless, you're forced into sex, Men. Can. Decide. If. She. Refuses. To use Protection. You Can. Decide. Not. To. Have. Sex. With. Her.

[@ManMan31994]

This is exactly why women should NOT be allowed to have abortions (except in cases of rape). You choose to lay down with a person and not use birth control, you should have to accept the consequences. Take some personal responsibility.

[@ryanelee]

Can’t women take birth control? No one ever mentions this in these conversations. Both parties are able to take the necessary measures to provide a pregnancy.

[@imanijohnson1184]

I will say I agree with the guys on this one if he told me from the jump that he didn’t want any kids I’m not going to force him to pay me in child support.

[@Yna-u3g]

If he doesn't want children, you shouldn't be sleeping with him if you want a child.....

[@truettadevil]

That's between you and your struggling child.

[@selwynandrews7716]

@@Yna-u3g Have you wanted a child from every person you slept with?

[@shanedoughty6844]

She can have the baby all she wants!! I shouldn't have to take care of it if it's not mine!!! The law should be not to have an abortion, she can do whatever she needs to! Just make the law say that If the baby Is not mine, I don't have to take care of it! If the birth certificate is not signed then it's not my fault or responsibility!!! Period!!

[@cgsoldier4196]

$8 for a 10 pack of Magnums at Target. Protect yourself and you won’t even need to have that conversation.

[@eatemup88]

If he don’t want a baby , then he should take the necessary precautions.

[@teresajohnson3302]

So men getting vasectomies isn’t a safety net for them BEFORE the pregnancy? Cause yes it is. They choose not have it done.

[@stealthbrawler]

So women not getting hysterectomies is a sign she’s okay for kids too then? Sorry dummy, but if women can abort men should be able to abandon, that’s fair sorry to say

[@zonkbadonk3937]

Vasectomies can and sometimes do fail, you know?

[@HarmanSingh-mc9ou]

Nobody is looking for a irreversible permanent procedure. Reversible vasectomy procedures currently are limited, unsuccessful & not widely available. If they're available someday, men would take it.

[@TheObserver_03]

Accountability is like poison to some of these women. Like I will never understand how a lot of these women will leave prevention during intercourse to men when they are the ones who have to carry this baby for 9 MONTHS, give birth to it and also have to physically take care of the baby not to mention what this process does to your body. Look I understand that women don't give a fuck about men or what this situation would do to them but you'd at least expect them to give a fuck about their own health and not just pass the buck when they have an even greater chance of contracting diseases.🤷🏾‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

[@truettadevil]

Accountability looks like birthing and raising the baby. This video is specifically about these Black men not wanting to take accountability for the baby they made. Maybe you should watch this video again. It wasn't complicated.

[@TheObserver_03]

@@truettadevil 🤦🏽‍♂️ Ok...Taking accountability is great and all,but taking accountablity isn't just making a mistake and being forced to live with those consequences. It's recognising the problem and preventing it from happening again. So for example a baby mama with multiple baby daddies has not taken any accountability because she repeated the same mistake multiple times. And this situation does not need someone to "take accountability", it needs preemptive thinking to avoid the disaster from even happening. And clearly a lot of these women lack this skill because they are expecting someone else to solve their problem even though they stand to lose the most. For example, how is a woman going to take accountability if she gets an STD, by taking pills for the rest of her life?🤷🏾‍♂️ That's not taking accountability, that's stupidity and simply trying to survive a disaster that could have been avoided if she just took the proper steps.🙆🏽‍♂️

[@truettadevil]

@@TheObserver_03 it doesn't sound like men (you) know how to or even want to, take accountability. But, it so easily rolls off your tongue when you want women to take accountability. Interesting...

[@TheObserver_03]

@@truettadevil If men didn't take any accountability then why does society, especially women demand and expect so much from men? People don't give the most irresponsible person an important role, they give it to the most responsible person (men). And the only reason we keep having these ridiculous conversations as people is because women(You) destroyed all the other rules that were put in place to avoid these problems...and didn't think of a counter solution. And anyone who claims that this is not true (even though you can literally see the effects all around us) is either a very bad liar who doesn't want to admit the truth, or a complete imbecile that wants to destroy everything in their path because they can't get their way.🤷🏾‍♂️

[@selwynandrews7716]

@@truettadevil I think men want the option to chose when they have to be accountable and when they don't like women can. Particularly on this subject.

[@kylondaglaze]

Y’all may not like what I’m about to say but I stg, if I was a man that knows for sure I’m not trying to have any kids, I wouldn’t have sex with one woman that wasn’t willing to sign a contractual agreement. This is in fact what a “sperm donor contract” is. It states that in the event that a baby is conceived, that sperm donor will not be held financially liable for said baby. These contracts not only exists in sperm banks but they are also used in situations where someone wants to get pregnant but doesn’t want to have the baby with the person they have sex with - it’s very prominent in the LGBTQIA community. There’s nothing stopping two people having casual sex to come up with this agreement in writing BEFORE engaging in sex and a baby is conceived. May seem cold and transactional but men should have the right to choose what they want for their life just as much as we can in this situation.

[@rainbeauxunicorn5237]

That’s not “cold” or insensible. But I will argue you point about men not having a chance to make decisions for their lives. Where they choose to nut IS their decision but men aren’t taught to be responsible for their ejaculation so they completely bypass it.

[@truettadevil]

Condoms cost $1 🙄 How much does a notary cost?

[@selwynandrews7716]

@@rainbeauxunicorn5237 IDK how many women you've slept with but where a man nuts is most certainly not always their decision unless the woman has given him that free reign. Do you just let a man decide where he's gonna nut? As it relates to sex, women dictate the terms of engagement. The second she says stop, even if she told you to go ahead before, intercourse ends or it's a legal matter.

[@rainbeauxunicorn5237]

@@selwynandrews7716…ok so I see you don’t understand the topic. If a man doesn’t want to have children, KNOWS he doesn’t want to have children, the thought/action of ejaculating INSIDE or anywhere near a woman’s vagina shouldn’t be an option. That’s what I mean by men have a choice. You choose where you cum. Doesn’t even matter if the woman gives a man permission in the heat of the moment to cum inside…it should be ignored. That’s what I mean by being responsible for ejaculation. If he doesn’t want kids but he still cums inside, he most certainly should be financially responsible, whether for the abortion or the baby. Women don’t get pregnant without sperm.

[@berrymckockiner5883]

The naivety is so cute 😂😂😂

[@BlackNerdist]

It has to be a black man that says this kind of foolishness. Until men carry the child for 4.5 months, it will never be equal because childbirth isn't equal. If there was a law where men could opt out of taking care of their child, what do you think the outcome would be? Society would end because no woman in her right mind would have a child with a man and risk getting nothing.

[@jc7850]

Just stop having sex unprotected if you aren’t in a committed relationship, married, or know you would want a child with the person. Men strap it up, and women make the man wear protection and if he refuses don’t sleep with him. Why are we blaming each other? Both have a responsibility. If you choose to let a man have unprotected sex with you and refuse to use the tools available that’s just reckless.

[@andrewmcpherson6374]

See how humbled she got when got called out for her hypocrisy Smhh ..this why some of these conversations be pointless

[@BiancaNashawn]

"I had a girl get pregnant because she told me she didn't want to take plan B's" NO SIR... You had a girl pregnant because you made a poor decision and didn't use protection!! LOL It's that simple. Where's the accountability?!

[@ihadforeskinwithporkbellyf9306]

So with ur logic abortions shouldn't be legal because the woman knew what she was getting into unprotected? U are making anti abortion arguments

[@BiancaNashawn]

@@ihadforeskinwithporkbellyf9306 Where did I say anything about abortion and my stance on it??? You're reaching and missing the entire point of my comment. The guy knew the women did not want to take a plan b and decided to have sex with her unprotected anyway. So if she gets pregnant he should not be surprised by it, whether she decides to keep it or not.

[@ihadforeskinwithporkbellyf9306]

@@BiancaNashawn I'm not sure but did he ever say that before he had sex the woman didn't want a plan b. Besides there are literally women that dig up men's sperm just to trap is them is that their fault? Why should a man still have to pay even when he doesn't want the child. If a woman doesn't want the child she can decide to abort despite also being sexually irresponsible since a woman would consent to having unprotected sex too.

[@ihadforeskinwithporkbellyf9306]

@@BiancaNashawn so are u pro abortion? cause If u are a woman of color not having abortions disproportionately affect u

[@truettadevil]

@@ihadforeskinwithporkbellyf9306 you're not smart.

[@aworlds1]

When sperm is in your body, YOU get to choose. When sperm enters someone else’s body, THEY get to choose. It’s called having full autonomy and Agency.

[@JoshNtheedrifter]

They get to choose plan b, birth, adoption, etc. but don't get to choose financial responsibility for 20% of a man's income for 18 years. 🧐 But what fixes all of this is being responsible by both parties.

[@rainbeauxunicorn5237]

🗣️THANK YOU!!!!! There decision begins with “where to ejaculate?” It boggles my mind when men act like they never had a choice once they hear the phrase “I’m late.” Did you not just choose to ejaculate inside her? That’s was your choice! Her choice is whether she wants to keep it or not.

[@josiahbutler2254]

exactly girl you tellin the truth, it begins the moment you become risky with it

[@PenultimaGamrAKAhank]

@@rainbeauxunicorn5237 It was just as much her choice to be ejaculated inside of... Unless he raped her, she had the choice to say don't cum in me. This conversation is on ABORTION. Contraception was ignored by both parties. He didn't use protection, she didn't either. They BOTH have unprotected sex, but only she can choose to throw it away or not.

[@Mr.Oct___]

They get to choose what THEY want dumbazz. The question posed was should a man have the right to choose by withholding his support and presence w/ out any imposed sanctions. So choose all you want w/ my sperm for yourself. & I'm going to choose for myself as well.

[@csquad5071]

Ace finally made a valid point but before he did it was obvious that many women have no concept of fairness because she asked the question “why are you having sex without a condom if you don’t want kids” as if women who have abortion aren’t a result of them having unprotected sex. Why was she having unprotected sex if she didn’t want to become pregnant or be a mother? Women have no problem with women being legislatively granted options out of responsibility for the results of their actions but they’re quick to cry foul the moment even the idea of a man being giving a similar option is presented. Now who else do we know that has no concept of fairness. CHILDREN…

[@vivianraw]

Don't forget about Non-consensual condom removal.

[@kayjeffs3741]

What she's saying is...if you decide to have sex without a condom, then you made your choice. We both have choices, but just at different times. The man has a choice before the baby is made. Since he can't carry a baby, he can't have a choice afterwards.

[@stealthbrawler]

@@kayjeffs3741Kay don’t care, women can abort men should be able to abandon. If consent to sex is consent to pregnancy, then women shouldn’t be able to have an abortion. Sorry, but you’re stupid, because women can abort if they so choose, I do not care about their “burdens” because they chose to have sex, so the fact they can abandon that responsibility means men should be able too to. Can’t keep men in the traditional bounds of a non traditional society, that simple.

[@berrymckockiner5883]

​@@kayjeffs3741lmao you're comparing a 9 months decision time to a 5 second decision window for men 😂😂😂😂

[@DeeDee-lr8nb]

If they don't want a child. Get a vasectomy or a condom. Vise versa for women as well. Accountability people!

[@zonkbadonk3937]

Vasectomies can and sometimes do fail, you know?

[@My9thMyJoy]

If they don’t want to support a child alone, get an abortion I don’t really agree with this or what you said, but it seems pretty equivalent to me.

[@isaiahdugginsii]

They need a platform where we the fans can comment

[@brookealicia92]

How many women kept the baby because the man begged her to and then left anyway???

[@kenyafromcali]

Let’s start THERE!

[@selwynandrews7716]

Not sure what that has to do with the topic at hand? If she kept it for him and didn't want a child, that child could be gone from her life the same day that man leaves, legally. There's recourse for women that there simply isn't for men.

[@berrymckockiner5883]

Zero

[@Taisha12001]

Once a man makes it clear that he does not want children and he does not (or chooses not) to use condoms, don't have secks with him period.

[@lkpeay]

Contraception is the EQUAL RESPONSIBILITY of both parents

[@Yna-u3g]

There are also vasectomies...Safety first!

[@karoncox1]

Plan b nd abortions y’all can pay 50 bucks for a pill we gotta pay way more than that 100x to even get that done

[@berrymckockiner5883]

Or surgically remove your ovaries

[@HarmanSingh-mc9ou]

Don't be cute & hypocritic. Vasectomy is a permanent irreversible decision. This is equivalent to Hysterectomy. Nobody is talking about that here. The talk is about equivalent of abortion to choose parenthood like woman so easily can choose. That's Financial Abortion.

[@Lifewithwin_]

Disturbing

[@babygurlpoppieworld]

I'm starting here im here for the guys

[@matthewharden2437]

Rico speaks the truth. There are no safety nets for a man if they become pregnant but there are any safety nets for the woman to fall back on if they get pregnant. There should be finally abortion for men. If both parties don't want the child and one decide I'm going to keep it despite the others wishes then that person should have to take care of it. Both have to agree and not just having the man trapped in a situation he has no way out of

[@ayanomar1408]

agree also men MUST protect themselves first because there will be women out there getting pregnant on Purpose. the convo was insightfull but for a man not get entraped he has to use protection and not trust that “oh she will use plan B”

[@matthewharden2437]

@@ayanomar1408 condoms are not a guarantee to work. Plus this conversation is about what happens AFTER the woman is already pregnant. She can choose to have an abortion or not even against the man's wishing. This is a protection for her and her alone. Men need to be able to protect themselves as well from being forced to take care of a child he didn't want to have. Financial abortion is 5he logical choice. If both parents discuss and one doesn't want to have the baby then they should BOTH have the right to step back from that huge responsibility. Not just the woman but both the man and woman should have the right to step back.

[@ayanomar1408]

@@matthewharden2437 I understand, thank you for your replay

[@southwestbirmingham1273]

@@matthewharden2437 agree

[@shaysprings1413]

Well maybe he should be more responsible an use protection Or get an vasectomy if he don’t want kids woman getting abortions can harm her from having kids at all….👍🏽👌🏾

[@selwynandrews7716]

The question is about a man's financial rights after conception with regard to a child he does not want. Conversation immediately goes to pre conception activities and the assumption this pregnancy was the result of unprotected sex in which the man willingly shot the club up. The analogy of not using condoms and driving reckless is on point because both parties do it but only one party is protected in the event of an accident actually occuring. Do you think it would be fair for the other party to be protcted in the event of an accident as well? That would seem to be fair and equal would it not? I think framed that way the answer is pretty obvious.

[@dredey1971]

no woman wants to be out here helpless if she is having a baby. for that reason alone women have to be more responsible with their womb. the question is, why so many allow themselves to be impregnated by unworthy men?

[@remnant7639]

Wow...what a world that would call abortion a "safety measure"....

[@joshuaaaron617]

If she can abort it, than he can walk away. We do away with abortion, than hell no. I am all for accountability.

[@archanafoster2855]

Sure can walk away but don’t be mad when u end up on child support

[@joshuaaaron617]

See, that is forced responsibility. This isn't something that happens to women. It isn't being able to walk away if child support ties you to the child. She can abort or drop the child off at a safe house, no questions asked, and he can go to jail for not paying child support, lose his drivers license, be fined into oblivion, sometimes even if the child isn't his.

[@MsBrown-tu4vv]

I’m all for accountability too. So If she DOESN’T abort it and chooses to go through the immediate life changes and take the risks involved with carrying, delivering, and raising her THEIR child….. which means the child HE helped to create is indeed ALIVE….. then he has A CHILD he is responsible for. That is ACCOUNTABILITY! If he walks away from HIS CHILD, he is then very clearly being unaccountable and irresponsible.

[@MsBrown-tu4vv]

@@joshuaaaron617 Do you know the definition of accountability? Because in said definition you will also find the word RESPONSIBILITY

[@joshuaaaron617]

Ms. Brown, you aren't paying attention. The fact that SHE has choices, and HE does not is the topic going on here. You want men held accountable? Ok, i agree with that. Since he doesn't have a choice, than neither should she. Abortion should come off the table. Chasing child support after having a child with someone you have no intention of staying with should be grounds for lawsuit. The morning after pill is free at the clinic. There are numerous forms of contraception, and modern medicine has made it all but impossible to die during childbirth. Contraception is responsibility, not child support.

[@elijahirvin5911]

They are going to be a lot of people shaking like Don knocks on judgment Day

[@kenyafromcali]

🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯

[@mca217]

The bottom line is that sexual discipline is key for both parties. And you need to PICK YOUR PARTNERS BETTER!!!!!!!!

[@Kweenkisses]

This is a disgusting mindset. Just stop giving every female you lay down with your seed then expect her to do something unnatural to her body that could prevent her from having children in the future.

[@shortblockflexinit5219]

As I hear about plan b, and abortion, or men giving up financial obligations for unplanned pregnancy I'm curious; are women not using birth control pills? I'm past menopause, but when I came of age in the 80's and I used them for 20 years will no side effects or unplanned pregnancy. I've never really wanted children, so I didn't want to risk becoming a mother and didn't want to contemplate abortion. I switched to condoms after that, but the pills served me well. We need condoms to prevent STDs but are women not using the pill to prevent pregnancy? No judgement, I'm just curious.

[@nynyjohnson1]

Idk bout back then but birth control now makes me insane and does not do my body justice AT ALL… most of already got a lil slim shady in us but PLUS BIRTH CONTROL lol all men would want to turn gay

[@shortblockflexinit5219]

@@nynyjohnson1 Thanks for the insight.

[@kayjeffs3741]

I used birth control...and then had to have surgery...so it has effects on different people...

[@shortblockflexinit5219]

@@kayjeffs3741 Got it. I guess I was lucky. But I can't say whether it may have caused any problems with conceiving since I never tried to get pregnant. Thanks for your insight. I hope everything turned out well for you.

[@75selah]

Plus there are more long term forms of the Pill. (Personally, I think those are dangerous). There is the IUD and the diaphragm. So why get pregnant?

[@cc-fi1lw]

Like she stated why are you having relations without a condom? His response ppl do stuff. Well since ppl do stuff u need to be responsible for that child that you made period 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@eg6gsr]

That is a moral standpoint, they are talking about a legal standpoint.

[@adrienne3272]

A man can always sign away his rights.

[@AL70995]

Yelp it’s very wrong and one sided for men

[@berrymckockiner5883]

Lmao no we can't 😂😂😂😂

[@berrymckockiner5883]

​@@AL70995 lol you pro choicers are such hypocrites

[@AL70995]

@@berrymckockiner5883 what are you talking about I stand with men

[@berrymckockiner5883]

@@AL70995 my bad, I read that totally wrong

[@SOULPHYRRE]

It's called vasectomy and it happens before the sex.

[@berrymckockiner5883]

Lmao do you know the percentage of success in reversing it

[@jbwtsfinest]

This is a HEAVY question.

[@elijahirvin5911]

We are truly a sick people we will try everything to cover up sin. How about the man man up and take care of the woman and the child become a holy man of God if you touch a woman you are required to love her and take care of her for the rest of her life. How much proof do we have to see before we realize sex is not a game

[@soleiljolie70]

If some of y’all held men more accountable just maybe a man would take extra steps not getting a woman pregnant knowing there’s a chance of her keeping it.

[@gariantroll2975]

What a derelict of morality. If you make a child and it is born, you are financially responsible. The only case I can see where you shouldn't have responsibility is adoption or rape. Other than that, you owe the child support and the bare minimum is financial. There are some things that are common sense wrong.

[@REDvellvett]

It doesn't matter that there's a so called safety net. For one, going to have an abortion is not easy for all women. 2. Trying to slide around your accountability isn't cool. If you don't want a child, saying you don't want it is not a condom nor does it prevent anything that comes along with unprotected sex. If you don't want a child, you're going to have to either wrap it up or keep it to yourself.

[@Help136]

i agree with what he said but if guys could get off that easy women would be getting pregnant at a higher rate.

[@electricmaster23]

Or they could just abort/adopt/use Plan B. Plenty of ways out of it. No excuses, imo.

[@megax6425]

Not really because the woman would know if he would support it or not so then she would decide if she could do it her self and cant she can abort.

[@berrymckockiner5883]

It's already low, may as well push for equality

[@tashanapink7688]

Women have condoms too. So if the argument is that they shouldn’t have to put their body through trauma because the men don’t want a baby and the measure it takes to get rid of the baby, why won’t women wear condoms??

[@remnant7639]

This is what happens with sex outside of wedlock 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@imani1214]

I get what he’s saying, and agree to some extent. But, this argument is also leaving out women that don’t agree or want abortions. Plan B is one thing, but abortions affect women in so many ways. There are woman that are willing and have gotten plan Bs and still end up pregnant. With all that being said above all I feel like these conversations especially with the climate we live in today need to be discussed before you lay with a person, that way each party knows what they’re getting into.

[@selwynandrews7716]

There's still adoption and she's out of parenthood and the financial burden that comes with it. Men have no path to that option/outcome.

[@berrymckockiner5883]

Then you should support every state banning abrtn

[@tjturner3916]

Yes. If a woman can choose to not have the baby, the man should have the same choice. I disagree that the pregnancy is singularly the fault of the woman, but she's complicit. Life is not fair. Women are cursed by God, and this is one of the curses. Men have always walked away from children and they will continue to do so. The correct response is to NOT DEPEND ON MEN.

[@jamiaylaphipps5689]

The woman may not want a baby either but they also have to consider the risks whether it be physical, or mental on their part. That is why men and women alike should be conscience of the fact that laying down with anyone can create a life. Men should indeed wear condoms knowing full well that their decision making stops there. Don’t try and guilt a woman afterwards when you knew the possibilities. Yes partly your child, but it is that woman’s body and mind. It is no longer in your hands to decide whether she keeps a baby or she doesn’t. Men can go get a vasectomy, just like women can get on bc, take a plan b, or get an abortion. But realistically neither can place the blame on any one party unless it is a situation of force.

[@jeremyhorne1989]

If he doesn’t want a child he should wear to condoms “or” avoid sex all together. It’s not his choice for her to have an abortion.

[@smikebacts]

A better method would be creating a system that changes implied consent to affirmative consent. A man should be able to remove financial responsibility but only if both parties have a binding notarized agreement in place before pregnancy. There should also be the ability to stipulations and a buyout options. Maybe a woman is comfortable acknowledging you want no financial responsibility but only after you help pay for medical support and labor. I feel like there are options but all them will require men to be proactive and be willing to walk away from sex based on the conditions.

[@mariahplusdolly9686]

People can say use condoms and yes I agree. But let’s be real in a relationship after awhile most couples go raw from time to time. The BEST thing is DO NOT have sex during a woman’s ovulation period!!! It’s crazy no one talks about this it’s Literally how I’m 25 been in 3 relationships with no kid/s lol seriously it works. Plus the pull out method is a must I tell them early I don’t play those creampie games!

[@josiahbutler2254]

thats why i say you still gotta use a condom, raw dogging is for people who wanna get married & start a family

[@SupaBlessedAries]

Listening to this makes me nauseous like a lot of men just look for more and more ways to Not be ACCOUNTABLE and there is more options for women because women are the ones that are left holding the bag not all the time but A lot of the time just left playing mom and dad 24/7 no matter if that was a one night stand,boyfriend,fu*k buddy,homey love a friend or even husband that our lives drastically changes meanwhile he stay or leave or make other babies while he got you sitting up their knocked up and yes there are some women who foolishly get pregnant on purpose to trap a guy but hey man she can’t trap you without your participation 😂😂🤷🏽‍♀️ like come on 🤯 and another thing there are some men out here to that trap women for a bunch of stupid reasons some trap them and leave some trap them and stay but it’s a real thing everyone should take Accountability don’t sleep with someone without looking and talking about the worse case scenario using your common sense besides a baby ain’t the only thing crawling around these days Protect Yourself & your partner ❤

[@hereforit2347]

How can you have a “financial abortion” when you’re having sex without a condom and not pulling out? That’s like saying you should be able to rob a bank and not go to jail.

[@bridgettedenise]

vasectomy

[@beatswork]

Condoms aren’t 100%. It’s also not the point. The point is it’s a double standard men have no say in what baby is born. Women have all say in what baby is born or not born and the child support system that caters to women.

[@constitutionattribution7393]

Men need some sort of "birth control" protection outside of a condom. It seems after we both decide not to wear a condom and a baby is conceived, then instantly all parental rights and decisions immediately go to the mother, that's unfair. We "both" took the risk to have a baby without a condom, but, only the woman has the right to birth control or an abortion, that's totally unfair. That's why a percentage of women are forcing themselves pregnancy for financial reasons because they know the father has no rights. B.S. 🤬

[@Marshay]

She will have to carry the child in her womb, have the child out of her vagina and the child will be her responsibility until established otherwise to be both

[@Marshay]

She will have to carry the child in her womb, have the child out of her vagina and the child will be her responsibility until established otherwise to be both

[@brookealicia92]

Birth control has been researched for men for years and they have THE SAME SIDE EFFECTS WOMEN HAVE but it has been deemed too detrimental for them. Men are babies and weak.

[@constitutionattribution7393]

What makes a man weak for wanting to control child birth from "his" body and not rely on the woman to use birth control?

[@Marshay]

@@constitutionattribution7393 I never said it makes a man weak. He cant always rely on her to take birth control, it would be great if men had that option, as well but every time you have sex, its the risk you take

[@MissTaylorMade101]

Or if you don’t plan to be present then let the person know before you get them pregnant

[@josiahbutler2254]

they wont tell you before cus they afraid you wont give them play…

[@KennNotKen]

I agree with the dude.

[@donsan6404]

where's the long version of this show?

[@soakedseedunfiltered5389]

Pull out or protect yourself and have the conversstion.

[@TeeBrooks817]

Financial abortion? This is stupid. If you were reckless and got someone pregnant who didn't wanna give the baby up, in any form, sign over your rights. Simple. Financial abortion.. stupid as hell.

[@caybee5508]

Only in cases of the man not consenting to sex he should have that option.

[@amandaalvarado7091]

If men don't want to have a child, they have preventative measures like a reversible vasectomy that can prevent, they can also use condoms. IF the women STILL get pregnant and they do not want the child they can petition the courts to cut parental rights. There are viable options on both parts

[@eg6gsr]

Giving up parental rights doesn't always opt you out from paying child support which the other party has to agree to anyway

[@berrymckockiner5883]

Lmao worst take ever

[@8abydoll242]

0:22 she said why are you fuckin without protection ….not why are you fuckin Most of y’all just don’t like to take accountability.

[@MaroonTiger]

Ummmm a guys “safety net” is wearing condoms…😂 lets not dodge that fact

[@eg6gsr]

comdom breaks...........what then

[@josiahbutler2254]

@@eg6gsr you can double condom up to prevent it

[@eg6gsr]

@@josiahbutler2254 uhhh I hope you're trolling because if not you'll be a father soon

[@josiahbutler2254]

@@eg6gsr no i wont cus im not attracted to women, im gay 😂

[@eg6gsr]

@@josiahbutler2254 good on you but please don't give this advice to any straight men because you will have them caught up

[@Jessa_Says]

Men never want to take accountability smh. Don’t lay down with someone you wouldn’t want to have a child with it’s just that simple.

[@ihadforeskinwithporkbellyf9306]

The same can be said about women don't u folks see u r making anti abortion arguments. "She knew what she was getting into therefore the child shouldn't have to die" y'all hypocrites

[@ayabongadayile2234]

Your comment is ignorant. Go take a nap.

[@Jessa_Says]

@@ayabongadayile2234 that’s your opinion sweetie and your entitled to it, have a blessed day now.

[@ihadforeskinwithporkbellyf9306]

@@Jessa_Says u could at least address the fact that your comment is hypocritical

[@Dhuxul9]

Tell this to women who want abortion rights to murder babies

[@courageouscarla1804]

adoption isn't the greatest alternative answer to this situation. the adoption process in America is often lengthy, costly and unfavorable towards black babies/children. a solution may be for the couple to explore anyone in his or her family to adopt the baby

[@truettadevil]

Why would adoption be an option if a woman wants to keep her baby?

[@preppybusinessentrepreneur5164]

Yall need talk about the foster system affects families in the black community

[@lornagreen8961]

Sex is for ADULTS. People who are able to assume responsibility to keep themselves safe and engage with one's in whom they have a REASONABLE amount of trust. The REAL PROBLEM IS, people are "developed enough to have sex but not MATURE enough to do the vetting and boundary-setting required to live a BASICALLY HEALTHY LIFE. ..i said what I said.💜💪🏽💜 (how somebody gon be responsible for the seed u left behind? Frfr)

[@AlliterativeAtheist]

The entire comment section is about what you should do to prevent pregnancy but doesn’t answer the question . Yes a man should have this choice . Especially if he has been vocal about not wanting children.

[@AbrahamJHaskins]

The lightskin brother says one thing and the women disagreed vehemently. The next man says THE EXACT SAME THING but in a softer tone and then they agree 😂. They are purposely misunderstanding or ignoring what he’s saying.

[@arewahaircaretv8718]

When men's lives starts being on the line n their bodies is on the line...they'll never understand.

[@adityanayak872]

It's not about what we understand or not. You choose to remain pregnant. You could have done abortion but that's your choice 100 percent yours. So should be the responsibility

[@arewahaircaretv8718]

@@adityanayak872 that's why MEN banned abortion right?

[@berrymckockiner5883]

​@@arewahaircaretv8718lmao and we kept child support. You wmn just want to cntrl us

[@bigdaddy3621]

Child support and abortion should both require 100% consent

[@raycharles5257]

Love is Absent in these times. Everything is a Business move.

[@YeageristsTatakae]

First smart thing I've heard this guy say so far lol

[@CashConqueror101]

I’ve always wanted to know, If a man gets a women pregnant & she decides to keep it, the man has no say whatever but when a man gets a woman pregnant & he wants to keep it but she doesn’t because she’s “not ready” or “my body, my choice”, where does the man stand then? This is also why chicks threaten babies btw.

[@nakuitaalexander5895]

This discussion was disappointing because they didn't touch the main issue. Condoms are not full proof, both parties when choosing to have sex should be willing to face the consequences of the act. The point/ question is should a man be able to choose his role when he doesn't want the baby? These women at least I know for sure I've heard Kita before speak on ths government policing women's bodies & taking away their right to choose to abort. My body, my choice right? With no consideration or input from the father. However when the baby comes & a man neglects his responsibilities, then he is ridiculed as a dead beat. Thus pointing out the hypocrisy that it should be a woman's sole right to choose.

[@churchsbiscuits]

I just wish there was some sort of device that men could use that would prevent the sperm from making its way to the egg. Why hasn’t anyone invited such a device yet???

[@JosephOtim]

It’s called hot sauce

[@Yna-u3g]

The device has been invented....It's called a CONDOM

[@stealthbrawler]

Hey women what’s your go to for when accidental pregnancy occurs? Oh yeah it’s “I didn’t consent to pregnancy give me an abortion” sorry, but if you want consent to sex to go hand in hand with consent to pregnancy you shouldn’t be having abortions, so you gaggle of morons, let men financially abandon the kid if you can abort it. Have fun honiesssss 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@eg6gsr]

Man you know what I wish, I wish there a was person who could step in and make men use these devices that you speak of before sex would happen and if they didn't have them then they wouldn't allow the man to have sex......do you know of a person who could do this?

[@josiahbutler2254]

@@Yna-u3g say it again sis!😂