If Denmark Loaned F-16's To Ukraine, Would They Be Effective Against Russia? (WarGames 45) | DCS

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[@grimreapers]

Ukraine-Russia Series: Fulcrum/Flanker vs Foxbat/Super Flanker: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJm7l6uZbpl9d7c NASAMS vs Russian Cruise Missiles: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnuskJVvas-tps0 Russian KH-47M2 vs Polish Air Force: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZ_Vh6ungZqkb9k Su-27 & Drone vs Snake Island: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipDSg6KLZ6asnNE Su-25s vs Russian Convoy At Kyiv: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKq5Z2iYiq-tqNk NATO Eurofighters vs Crimean AWACS: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5qtY5d8h81sa8k Patriot, Gepard & Gripen vs KH-65: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJnblaWEn86aZ8k A-10s vs Russian Convoy At Kyiv: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGHXi6KlZdp_npY USN Tomahawk Strike Kerch Bridge: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqfTmmuud96ajJo USAF Stealth Strike Kerch Bridge: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3vFl2x4mN2hrZI Ukrainian Jets Strike Kerch Bridge: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2mppqCrj7eYeJY F-22 Raptors vs Russian Fighters: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eaDQg5ajp9x9jc0 Raptor/Eagle vs Super Flanker: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZbUiqCriKqiY5o USAF Bombers vs Mariupol Defenses: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3TWk6KFfJWEi5Y Ukraine Bombs Snake Island: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eImZammDgMmemJo Stealth Fighters vs Russian Bombers: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKrQamOgo7Z3qaM Sinking Of Moskva #3: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHrNoKx_nsqCsLs Sinking Of Moskva #2: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZ_Nl5WglKqqjZY Sinking Of Moskva #1: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKnamWmDfLF9hMU Russia Nukes Britain: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKvOZWiIe7aqd5o Ukraine Uses Danish F-16s: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2izmp6opZWEl7s Ukraine Uses Polish Mig-29s: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHTMZad3ft-ohbc Russian-Britain Missile Attack: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKiseJmXl9utfqM Ghost Of Kyiv: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6PGpWuMadNkY7c Belgorod Raid: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4LcnIeuqZuZqtk Eurofighter/Fulcrum vs Super Flanker: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g4Hcepymes2aiJI US Strike vs Odessa kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZbMgHudr86WbLs Russian Helo Rocket Lob: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2KbeJp9o7WSqa8 Russian Su-25 vs US Patriot SAM: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6TTZ2yQecSnhZI Understanding Russian SAMs: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iGXbhauCg7-Lmdk Ukrainian Jets Road Operations: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nnPTq4SentODmNk Russian 40 Mile Convoy: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKPCXmV8gcefeM0 Flanker vs Super Flanker: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jICkpoJ8ga96oZY

[@jamsbean4383]

There was a great interview about 50 days into the war with one of the US/NATO pilots who trained and did exercises teaching the UA pilots. Now they are dying to get their hands on the UA pilots and start learning from them. They considered them the best and most experienced in the world at this point... they had been fighting, surviving, adapting and developing new tactics in an extremely complex and hostile air environment far beyond what any US/NATO pilot had ever experienced. They were even engaging when outnumber 12:1 and using the terrain, SAM and known MANPAD heavy areas to gain an adv...or force the RF to disengage.

[@jakemuro3732]

Gonna say thats a negative lol

[@trevorstudent4625]

Where did you find this info? I want to learn more.

[@Pman353]

@@jakemuro3732 I’m not confirming his statement but it does make sense. They are the only combat experienced pilots that would work with nato to learn

[@chichotwojay740]

Lol. None of this happened.

[@marinodezelak1180]

Cool story... not real.. but cool story.

[@NoahDenSpiller]

As a Dane, I can confirm that the Air Force is obsessed with the F-16. They even have a Dannebrog (Danish Flag) painted F-16. I’m sad to see the Viper say goodbye soon, but the F35 is crazy engineered.

[@Pman353]

It is the most over engineered aircraft😂

[@genuz]

The F35 is kinda shit though. I would like to keep the F-16s and see what the US replaces their fleet with instead of buying into what is described by some americans as a trillion dollar mistake and what Lockheed Martin calls "I can't believe they keep giving us money to fix this piece of junk".

[@DMW-1989]

vi mangler ubåde :O

[@shade9272]

The F-35 is not a replacement for... well... anything. It's a niche aircraft in the tactical strike role. Period. It's high price tag, low sortie rate, and logistical nightmare makes it pointless for anything else.

[@NoahDenSpiller]

@@DMW-1989 Hvorfor skulle vi mangle ubåde?

[@Annonymous0283745]

I'm noticing a serious lack of the mighty Ukranian Farm Tractor Brigade.

[@No1sonuk]

I'd be willing to bet there's a Combined Arms mod in progress somewhere!

[@angelarch5352]

DCS definitely needs active tractors to be added to combined arms.

[@touristguy87]

@@angelarch5352 harvesters with weaponised bales of hay

[@richhagenchicago]

Sad

[@jellyelectric7404]

The Russians have been stealing tractors. 🙁

[@angmid9210]

Ooh this is a fun genre! The against the odds aspect really makes it thrilling viewing!! I don’t know what you’ve got modelled in DCS, but I think some of the following could be interesting: 1. Vintage Romanian Mig-21s that have been tricked out by the Israelis 2. Swedish Gripens or Viggens 3. Modernised Greek Mirage 2000s 4. Italian or British Panavia Tornado IDVs

[@mwtrolle]

1: Yes, they are interesting, especially as they have been modified to use NATO targeting pods and missiles. Guess the change to this platform is smaller then to western planes, and they might even be able to find mechanics that know the plane from for back in the days when they operated them in Ukraine. 2: Yes the Gripen's would be an even better plane for Ukraine, it's designed for the kind of war they are fighting, are easier to maintain, and are a lot more capable. But then again it's probably harder to get the Swedish government to accept the export of them to Ukraine, also there simply are not as many on storage as there are F-16's! Regarding the Viggen's, there is no point at all, as there are none stored away, besides maybe a few on museums, but you will need more than a few to make it be worthwhile. 3: Modernised Mirage, makes no sense from what i can see, there are a lot fewer then F-16's and they are mostly worse as well. 4: no need for them unless you got air superiority or you got capable AA fighters to defend them. Then again the F-16's or Gripens do the ground attack job well enough and with much less risk to themself.

[@maxotaurus5140]

A long conflict could see all this! Horrific tho' I will say, but let's assimilate and learn is my opinion!

[@thatguy7085]

Most of these are modeled.

[@spitefulwar]

I think at this point it's only logical that someone loans the Grim Reapers themselves out to Ukraine...

[@mwtrolle]

Maybe as drone pilots! :P

[@Davros-vi4qg]

Ironically the real ‘Grim Reapers’ squadron with their F15s, were homeward bound from the Uk to the USA. Suspect they may have stayed around to see if they can help out though.

[@jamesmaybrick2001]

Plot twist, Endesr Game was just a documentary!

[@spitefulwar]

@@jamesmaybrick2001 I knew it! :D

[@winstonsmith7801]

spitefulwar - Why ? Ukraine is a corrupt puppet of the Globalist US and NATO. Russia are the righteous Liberators of the Nazis in Ukraine.

[@frenstcht]

Kudos! That was the most capably & professionally that I've seen you guys perform. Great stuff. Thanks!

[@apachedave]

Each of these new aircraft everyone is fantasizing about requires a logistics tail that is difficult enough to support in peace, but far more difficult during a war. It's not a sexy thing to discuss, but vital things like spare parts (especially engines), fully motion simulators, armament loaders, test equipment (all that stuff has limited TDMI intervals) are what produce mission capable aircraft for crews. So the more types of aircraft introduced, the more complex this gets.

[@pastorjerrykliner3162]

Not to mention the simple fact that pilots...even combat seasoned pilots...cannot just "jump into" an unfamiliar cockpit and take-off. One of the key arguments against the Poles shuttling off their MiG-29's is that, while they are the same "base model" aircraft, are different models than the Ukrainians were flying and outfitted with different avionics. Now take those differences and change the whole aircraft... Simple stuff like "How do I start the engines?" and "What does this button do?" I'm sure the HUD helps, but even the basic "Artificial Horizon" instruments are different from east to west: in the western instruments, the "plane" stays fixed and the horizon moves, in Russian equipment the "plane" moves and the horizon stays fixed. It's just not possible to put MiG pilots cold into an F16 cockpit and expect them to take off, fight, and land.

[@user-xz9hu4rd2v]

In a year. You have to train the maintainers, the weapons loaders, and pilots. At minimum a combat squadron will not be ready for the first year after transition.

[@MaxIsStrange1]

On the other hand, war isn’t going anywhere and the West will run out of post-Soviet equipment eventually so maybe it’s worth it to start training on what the West has to offer and gradually shift towards NATO standards 🤔

[@mwtrolle]

Weapon loaders will take days! Pilots will take a few weeks, or more depending on what level you wanna get them to. Maintainers are the major issue, they probably will take the longest to train, but if you have got them hooked up with video chat to some western experts in the area of expertise, I guess it might be done in a few weeks, but what then everything will go a lot slower.

[@pogo1140]

Min 6 weeks if you are training experienced MiG-29 and Su-27 pilots, on a crash transition program using wartime regs, meaning there is a war on, there is no off base time, no parties, no down time. Remember you don't need to teach them how to fly, you're teaching them the systems of the new fighter and how to use them. lots of sim time between classroom work, lots of flight time, min 2x a day 6 days a week. Add 5 weeks for 50 sorties against the Fighter Weapons School. But like Mwtrolle said, the maintainers will take the longest. The logistics can be run by contractors with Ukrainians working alongside them as on the job training.

[@matthewq4b]

@@mwtrolle Pilots do not take a few weeks. To be proficient it takes 6 months.. Maintenance is about the same providing you are starting with trained aircraft techs.

[@mwtrolle]

@@matthewq4b Read Popo's comment!

[@pogo1140]

BTW, The US sent F-35's to Poland, Netherlands sent 4 to Bulgaria, others sent them to the Baltic states bordering Russia and 8 F-35 from the 158th Fighter Wing were deployed to Spangdahlem Air Base this past week

[@charlietheunicorn5383]

There are also 2 USAF squadrons in UK which are being stood up right now. With a 3rd planned.

[@jkasiron2275]

Yes, better to build up slowly...because I have feeling we're going to be in the fight for real before its over.

[@AllTradesGeorge]

The Su-57 is a non-factor. According the generally accepted intel, Russia has MAYBE two operational planes of that model. After having lost the Moskva, the likelihood of committing the poster-child of Russian air technology in a place where it could be lost in a fluke incident? I just don't see any Russian general ready to risk that kind of loss of face.

[@martinmadsen7955]

Half the russian generals have already lost their face though.

[@james.w2564]

exactly

[@override367]

@@martinmadsen7955 nice

[@superflyguy4488]

They have probably both been sold on the black market.

[@lightray706]

Russia has 4-6 confirmed su57 fighters, and I agree that they probably wouldnt use them as there are more capapble planes for mass attacks. The likelyhood of it getting shot down is incredibly low as russia loses a single aircraft per a few hundred attacks(this is from personal contacts from one of russias main airforce bases for ukraine operations)

[@PhogofWar]

F-16's. Old, but still one of the sexiest and finest fighter jets ever produced.

[@ivantro-mz4nr]

Su-35: am i a joke to you?

[@Name-ps9fx]

It's really neat to see the Grim Reapers with some of their best in action! Well done!

[@charlietheunicorn5383]

GR. Thanks for incorporating a few "suggestions" into this simulation. The hit and run tactics involved in this fight were much more realistic imo. Hit the easy marks (Gen 3/4) bombers and bug out when the airspace gets crowded with Gen 4++ fighters. 6:1 ratio is actually pretty good. The cost disparity between what was lost to what was shot down is huge. No country can sustain air operations losing that many airframes, pilots and sunken cost over a sustained period of time.

[@dave.of.the.forrest]

Exactly. Ukraine will run out of pilots if they get into a slugging match. No one will be left to fly the donated fighters, regardless if F16's or MIG's. Strategy has to be Hit and Run baby!

[@torjones1701]

This is certainly a win, with the same reasoning as the last video. 2/6 losses is regrettable, but not unrecoverable, especially when you took down 12 very expensive and difficult to replace bombers. Consider that this would also be happening at other points on the front as well, it's a clear victory, though not a sustainable one. If I were to challenge anything about these missions thus far is that the bombers are essentially unescorted. Yes, there are QRF fighters in the area that take off as soon as your take off is detected, but that's a very different thing to knowing that the enemy has fighters in the area in unknown FARPs that can take off, do a bunch of damage, and land at a moment's notice. If I was the Russian General in charge of this, I would have the bombers escorted by at least one pair of fighters. That wouldn't make for a very good video though, so maybe have a CAP flying in the same area as the bombers waiting for those Ukranian fighters to pop up. More difficult, but also more realistic, but should still make for a pretty good video if you've only got 4 enemy CAP fighters to worry about and maybe another 8 150 miles away as a "QRF" that won't take off until your fighters are spotted by AWACS or the CAP is engaged. It would certainly make things more interesting.

[@charlietheunicorn5383]

"F86's victories vs Mig15s in Korean War were around 7:1" "Air Force planes of all types on air-to-air missions had an overall 3.8-1 kill ratio for the entire Vietnam war." I would say anything higher than 6:1 would be a good ratio. 12+:1 would have happened if Kortana was involved.

[@KondorDCS]

Fun fact, F86s victory ratio over MiG15s were largely due to the MiGs being flown by inexperienced north korean pilots with junk tactics. Before that, WW2 experienced russian pilots flew the MiGs and they were pretty even with the Sabre pilots, who also brought their WW2 experience. This clearly shows that dogfighting is much more dependant on the quality of pilots then the planes themselves.

[@alifeoncechris]

I love this channel. Listening to the comments. Making the sims better and better. Well done.

[@wkehrman]

Training time would be an issue. Switching from a MiG-29 to an F-16 in the real world would take some time, I would think.

[@mwtrolle]

Some weeks maybe. But it's the ground crew that is the main issue. They will have more to learn as the differences are bigger.

[@diogenes1670]

Send volunteer gamers to Ukraine to fly these F-16's - problem solved!

[@mwtrolle]

@@diogenes1670 Maybe if they also turned the F-16's into drones.

[@savagex466-qt1io]

@@mwtrolle ya and then we have people that compete for the right to fly the real drone and we can all watch the war live again !

[@miketettero3743]

And the answer is: no, they would not be effective. People seem to forget that it is not 'just another airplane' you purchase for an Air Force. It's a weapons system. And even an earlier generation fighter as the F-16 was designed to be part of an overall Integrated Air Defense System, currently also equipped with more advanced C2 and tactical datalink capabilities as Link 16. So, equipping Ukraine with the F-16, vastly different in handling and deployment when compared to Soviet fighters as the MiG-29, would not only take several months to get the pilots combat-ready, the entire supply chain, maintenance facilities, Command & Control will need to be replaced. Nothing, literally nothing of the Soviet era technology, supporting processes or procedures would be able to support an F-16. So, no: this would not make a difference, it might even be impacting the combat effectiveness of the Ukraine Air Force in a negative way, since it would require significant resources to make this change and shift the focus from combat operations to the incorporation of a new jet into its arsenal. In nowadays, it's "You Fight As You Came'. There is no time to design, build and implement entire new airplanes.

[@Annonymous0283745]

Yeah, people seem to forget this isn't WWII where we can just come up with a better design and throw it into combat. However, let's pretend (for the purposes of an enjoyable Grim Reapers video) it's a situation sort of like the Vietnam war, where N. Vietnam pilots were training out of country with Russian pilots, in new Russian planes; afterward those Russian pilots were leading the North Vietnamese pupils into combat against the USAF and USN.

[@boatsandhoes2589]

Relax there Mike. This isn't real

[@LanceorTC]

In the very immediate future, you are right, the infrastructure and training doesn't exist right now. That being said, NATO and similarly aligned countries are going to run out of former soviet equipment, Ukraine is planning ahead for that. Both the pilot training and infrastructure you are talking about is likely quietly being done. We are already seeing the gear being sent gradually shift. NATO designed Howitzers from the US and armored vehicles from Germany have already been sent. Fighter jet systems. as you say, are a lot more complex so the shift to get Ukraine using them will probably be a few months more at minimum.

[@override367]

You're both right and wrong. The answer is yes: but only for long term planning, which is why Ukranian pilots are training abroad right now! Training is a huge hurdle, but not insurmountable

[@AceofCrazy89]

I’m not sure this is true. Conceivably Denmark could essentially “pay the operating costs” for the fighter wing. Supplying ground crews with the training, parts, and munitions they need to operate the planes. Additionally poland operates vipers side by side with mig 29s so the “know how” to do it is out there

[@pogo1140]

Question, are all the roads in the Caucasus map soft shouldered? Been having issues with landing and take offs from them

[@robdee81]

Thanks for including my comment CAP , i feel very valued :D

[@grimreapers]

Pleasure x

[@vmanrn2906]

After watching the Russian air force perform in Ukraine, I get the feeling that these simulators are too generous to Russia. They are essentially programmed based on stat sheets, and for whatever reason the Russian fighters are clearly not performing as well in real life as they should based on their fact sheets.

[@MaxIsStrange1]

I agree. Whatever it is with Russian military, something’s not right and they don’t perform nearly as well as the rest of the world assumed they would basically on all fronts.

[@92HazelMocha]

Well what's not listed on the fact sheets is that the average Russian pilot only gets a few flight hours per month so their actual competency and skill level is comparatively low relative to other nations. It frankly doesn't matter how good or bad a peice of equipment is if the end user doesn't know how to employ it properly.

[@Marmocet]

Kind of hard to say, since pretty much everything you read about the conflict in Ukraine in the mainstream media is pure propaganda with little to no truth content.

[@h.cedric8157]

@@92HazelMocha That along with unreliable maintenance culture.

[@angelarch5352]

To simulate closer to reality, DCS needs to put a Vodka level slider on all the Russian planes.

[@thomasthurman7840]

Those sponsor intros are done at a pro level lol. At least I enjoy it even though I can't personally afford to buy any of their products

[@Netbug]

Cap kicking ass and taking names... solid work.

[@Silo-Ren]

Don't know how I found this little gem but it's fkn awesome.

[@real-NFSS]

That “oh fuck” was gold lmaoo

[@newdebate]

@20:15 lol

[@grimreapers]

I was sooooo annoyed about that...

[@landroveraddict2457]

He that fights and runs away, May turn and fight another day; But he that is in battle slain, Will never rise to fight again.

[@MaxIsStrange1]

Nice

[@giupiete6536]

With great haste he rose to fight, full of vim he shot his bolt Alas the waste when in sight, he cut his trim & turned revolt Wing had raced, all in flight, not with him - but to assault

[@grimreapers]

Amen

[@delonixco]

One of my fav videos so far CAP thankyou

[@KNETTWERX]

The awacs support does not surprise me. Allegedly a P8 Poseidon was involved with giving targeting data on the attack on the Moskva.

[@grimreapers]

wow

[@MrJamesBanana]

Suggested follow up: What if Sweden were to donate/sell JAS-39C? A neutral country so no risk for NATO to be drawn into anything, and should be a very potent fighter.

[@JK-dv3qe]

Russia: ahhhh Sweden, Sweden, Sweden. You silly silly goose.....

[@No1sonuk]

Neutral for now. In a couple of weeks, maybe not so much.

[@MaxIsStrange1]

@@JK-dv3qe *While in the background there’s a group of Ukrainians towing away a Russian tank with a tractor*

[@mwtrolle]

@@MaxIsStrange1 we need to send them flying tractors!

[@mwtrolle]

Better chance that a NATO member would dare to send them fighters, than a none nato member this close to Russia as Sweden is. If you wanted a none NATO member to donate them, then maybe Australia, at least it would be close to impossible for Russia to attack.

[@kenhelmers2603]

With a twist eh? Fun road usage. Taxi to the pub LOL

[@charlienash1050]

You know I would like to see some Iran-Iraq war simulations by you guys. I think it'd be a fun one

[@shmevan_]

AWACs didn't tell you where the bombers were but it did tell you when to get the hell out which was the issue the first time. This is a fun scenario wouldn't mind seeing you guys try different planes on it Edit: Great ending

[@Jedi.Toby.M]

Dare I say: Simba in a AN-2, Grump in a local Ukrine Hind-D, and Cap gets anything armed with wings, you boys might change this entire conflict!! Always love your simulations, big cheers from northern Canada!

[@dtoschlaeger]

There was an interview a month ago in German TV onboard with an AWACS crew who denied support back then. Today at CNN an Ukr pilot ("Moonfish") spoke about technological "tricks" but of course denied further explanation. Spoke also about less support for the wings than for ground forces.

[@TheTomster94]

Really liking these videos! Quick question, I heard/saw a missile being cancelled to make sure it did not hit a friendly. I tried googling it but could not find it, how does one cancel a missile? Thanks!

[@AceofCrazy89]

I feel like the super hornet would be better for the “actually just a highway” airfields due to Reinforced landing gear. Also Switzerland uses them and i imagine uses them from roadway airways

[@mwtrolle]

Finland also use F/A-18's from roads, but Gripen C's would be better as they are designed for exactly this kind of war. Though there are advantages with F-16's, first and foremost there are simply so many in storage that would not matter much for the west to give away. I guess you could send the old F-18 hornet's instead, they also got reinforced landing gear and they even got the advantage of being smaller. The US got lot's in storage and they are practically worthless for the US. But I would say the F-16's are more capable than the old hornet's. If you should choose to send super hornet's, then I guess it could make sense if you planned to send growlers as well as support, as of the similarities between those to planes. But don't think the US would risk a growler, even a crashed one falling into Russia's hands.

[@AceofCrazy89]

@@mwtrolle I didn’t know about Finland but that’s pretty cool. I don’t know about airworthy airframe surplus but I can say that the US is having problems meeting their delivery deadlines for Taiwan and the US gov was talking to Lockheed Martin about opening another production line to try and replace polands mig29’s freeing them up for Ukraine. Unfortunately there’s no feasible way to completely swap/replace an entire air force at this time. I suppose the US could just give vipers from national gaurd units to ukraine but that seems unlikely given…well…*gestures vaguely*

[@joemomma1776]

Bogs suck lol

[@pogo1140]

@@mwtrolle The "old" F/A-18's are carrier birds, you really don't want to be using those.

[@JK-dv3qe]

more interesting video: if Denmark loaned F-16's to Ukraine, Would Denmark Be Able To Defend Against Russian Hypersonic Missile?

[@larswhitt1549]

Yes - they could hit nothing of real military value...(and in case we could ask Sweden to help us)

[@user-qb9ec2is9n]

What defence F-16 can provide against mach 10 titanium telegraph tower at the first place?

[@Wallyworld30]

Russia so scared of these F-16's 😆 🤣 😂

[@user-qb9ec2is9n]

@@TeenTeenFpv yeah, except it travels at mach 10

[@KondorDCS]

@@larswhitt1549 I'm sure they aren't hitting anything of value, Lars....that's why Zelensky is demanding-begging the west to send them more and more weapons, cz the russians can't hit shit and ukraine is clearly winning.

[@mikeck4609]

You were being quite the tactical micro-manager on this one Cap…lol.

[@DivvyDeluxe]

Genuine question: After having used all your missiles, would you RTB without your wingman (leave them with the rest of the group) or would the two of you RTB regardless of whether your wingman still has missiles?

[@mwtrolle]

Being from Denmark, love it!

[@CarstenDittrich2014]

Dang, Cap. Should've known of this (maybe even attended ;0)) as I have RDA F16 DCS liveries you could've used ;o) Danes always end at the pub 🙂

[@therealdebater]

8:11 That pun was udderly dreadful. Anyway, the cows are all carrying Iglas.

[@grimreapers]

lol

[@ImmortalSugimoto792]

Follow up idea: how effective would both donated air frames be if Ukraine wanted to use them in primarily ground attack role. Or alternatively how effective would they be if used to support/protect Ukrainian su-25s conducting ground attack missions.

[@jmccallion2394]

Soapbox leader: "Home and Tea, everyone, for once you deserve it"!!

[@thepaisleyproject]

Aight. I'm enjoying these.

[@neuropilot7310]

F-16A does roll PIO a bit on landing. The YF-16 Flight 0 Taxi test incident was similar. I've also heard of a few F-16As including MLU birds doing the same thing. These birds as I recall still use analog FCS. At least one incident occurred during a section landing with the wingman having PIO issues. F-16C Block 52 jets have Digital FCS and a higher wing loading, so less likely to roll PIO on landing.

[@timw483]

Great video guys and I love that you had the Eielson, Alaska aggressor skins on the F-16s (my old unit). I'm really interested in getting into this sort of flight sim. How do you get started?

[@pogo1140]

Buy a mid range (no more than 200) stick and throttle, I've been using a CH joystick that I've had since 2006 and a Saitek X56 that I got second hand off craig's list. The game, DCS world is free and comes with 2 planes, a TF-51 and SU-25, load it onto a windows PC, get familiar, have fun. If you like it, you can purchase any of the more advanced aircraft modules. I'd advise that you start out with an aircraft that you love and start, then use the 2 week trial to try out other planes to see if you want to purchase them. If you find one, wait for a sale and purchase it at that time. Welcome to an addicting hobby that can be as cheap or as expensive as you want it to be.

[@DragNetJoe]

I'll save you some time. Yes, F-16s would be effective and I think you could train an experienced pilot to employ it in a few weeks. They wouldn't necessarily be "good" but they would get there pretty quick. If you had to pick between an older block F-16 and an older block FA-18 (like an old Canadian or Aussie) I would go with the FA-18. The radar is better, the A/G systems are better. I've flown both. I flew an F-16 on an exchange flight with only about an hour in the sim and a couple hours of briefing (IP in the back seat of course). I wasn't that hard. Was I good and able to employ the aircraft effectively? Heck no, but I could start it up and take off and land and figured out the basics of operating the RADAR. I think with a crash course you could train up experienced MIG-29 pilots in 3-4 weeks.

[@scottblankenship650]

Watching the reapers is so much fun you get skill in shenanigans:)

[@johnvahl762]

Just out of curiosity, does the F16 have rudder that might have assisted in #2 landing?

[@sscchhnert]

Weren't the F-16AM upgraded to modern F-16C standards? I believe the Dutch F-16AMs do have HOB capabilities. Please correct me if im wrong

[@carstenpedersen3200]

They are fully upgraded.

[@grimreapers]

Thanks guys, I could not find the info.

[@Handskemager]

Yeah, Pretty sure our (I’m Danish) F-16 are fully upgraded, except a couple of the first units received, one of which has the Danish flag “Dannebrog” painted on it. :)

[@theronprice]

Yes, Ukraine has been operating with E3 and JSTARS Support from day 1 along with Rivet Joints. The Air Assets over Europe supporting Ukraine is HUGE. Air Assets over Europe include, B-52's, Rivet Joints, JSTARS, E3 AWACS, F-16's, F-18, Growlers, Typhoon's, Etc. They are flying everyday. There are many many more that I didn't list. Oh, there are also TONS of Refueling Airplanes up everyday. Thank you!!! Great Video! -Theron

[@jackgeigerscalamitoustail6838]

Yeah, I was surprised at this (though I shouldn't have been), it's all but spelled out on NATOs web page regarding their involvement with the ongoing conflict (read for understanding and comprehension Jack!)

[@floridahdshooter]

Great video.. Questions.. #1 Can a legacy viper operate from improvised strips? #2.. Going full burner that close to someone's nose, would it not melt ;)

[@frederf3227]

More of a problem that hot oxygen-depleted exhaust would affect the following airplane. Minimum interval in the USAF is 15 seconds when using after burner, 10 seconds for MIL.

[@double0cinco795]

On the question: "Would the US send F-22s to a conflict like Ukraine?" - They flew F-22s around Syria for very little reason/effect. They were probably doing something we don't know about, but the point is that the Syrian conflict certainly didn't need the air superiority offered by the F-22, or likely even any type of A-G strike that couldn't be accomplished with other platforms.

[@festungkurland9804]

I think you guys did great but I think like yesterday it would be hard to keep up tempo. I think they could leave the daily interdictions to manpads/s300 and save fighters for say special local air defense situation like over a Ukrainian ground assault; Or interdiction of high altitude bombers like the tu95. I think your scenarios have been pretty accurate to the actual likely operations/ratios of losses of the war so far.

[@joeandjoe2]

Your valued feedback is enviously accurate. Who are these guys and where do they get their information ?

[@grimreapers]

No idea, but most stuff I learn is from you guys.

[@danielberger1378]

well done, guys 👍

[@marcparent9857]

Next version: since Canada is getting the F-35s, what if Canada donated it's CF-18s?

[@grimreapers]

cool

[@scaffolding_god1735]

Glued to this since I stumbled across it.. fair good 👍

[@rolinthor]

Thank you commenters on all those great recommendations, incl. point about fighter sweeps, escorts, and NATO AWACS support. There’s a reason most Russian bombers are launching long range attacks without crossing the border. The Ukrainians have respectable air defense systems.

[@pogo1140]

According to reports, the Ukrainians have been randomly changing which ADS is on and only turning them on for short periods of time. They'll turn on the tracking radar only long enough for the missile to get the kill but turn it off asap and them move. So coverage is sporadic.

[@steffenjespersen247]

Great mission :) I would say it was a success. With losses like that from a single mission Russia would have to change their way of doing air strikes and that would let off the pressure on Ukrainian forces for the short term and likely result would be an order to have escort for strike missions and thereby limiting number of missions, flexibility and increasing logistical cost.

[@92HazelMocha]

You'd think right? Russia has lost between 150-190 fixed wing aircraft in 9 weeks and there still hasn't really been a shift to conserve aircraft. I keep joking that by the end of summer Russia won't even have an airforce.

[@lightray706]

@@92HazelMocha Well these numbers are most definitely false. I wouldnt trust either wester or russian medias as both lie about the numbers. I have a lot of friends who are part of the russian airforce, in a city that conducts a huge part of the attacks on ukraine. So far with at least 30 atacks daily just from this airbase(i can litterally see them fly over the cuty to attack), there hasnt been a single aircraft shot down. This isnt infotmation from government sources but from multiple people of various roles and positions on the airbase.

[@92HazelMocha]

@@lightray706 I've litteraly seen dozens of separate instances of Russian aircraft shot down over the last two months. Your "friends" are very clearly lying to you, a single Google search would show you that.

[@steffenjespersen247]

@@92HazelMocha One thing is a consistent drain on aircraft to "lucky" MANPADS that they can't really suppress efficiently anyway and another is a air-air decimation of whole squadron at the same time. You know like a special ops team from time to time do a deep strike behind your lines forcing you to prioritize increased security everywhere. In essence the attack itself may not be devastating, but pressure from above not to let it happen again, can force you to shift priority.

[@steffenjespersen247]

@@lightray706 Real numbers are hard to come by, some sites do a pretty good job by only calculating losses that have been documented to be unique. But your friends could also be right that the bases they operate out of are doing operations where they have had very few or no losses. But elsewhere losses are higher. So no matter the actual count, there has been losses at least in the in the 2 digits in flight and there are drone footage of Russian aircrafts damaged while parked on the runway.

[@gregmcgonigal363]

USAF had the F22 flying its first combat missions over Syria. If the Air Force was willing to risk flying F22 over Syrian skies, I'm betting they'd risk them over Ukraine then. That environment is what the Raptor was designed for. Dominate the skies over a pier/near pier's air force. As for the Felon. Last I heard they have 10 test/protype planes for testing and 5 "Active" planes. I'd doubt they'd use them. Unless for some kind of sneaky mission....which would fail.

[@Stinger522]

The Felons are better off being held back for capital air defense.

[@KondorDCS]

"Dominate the skies over a pier/near pier's air force." I didn't know ISIS had F22 level air force.

[@jakeaurod]

OK, but what if the Ukrainians decided to strap some stingers onto an ultralight? Could it work as a short range point-defense CAP to take out cruise missiles or bombers?

[@rohanhewitt4818]

An F-16A MLU is about 4.2 million GBP cap. We mere mortals can dream

[@grimreapers]

Dang, I was hoping it was in the thousands...

[@Axgoodofdunemaul]

I hope things really work out like this!

[@Revixy]

As a Dane myself, I approve of this.

[@ChrisUK27]

The Mig29 option is the more likely, as others have said the F16 is a whole new package. From a strategy standpoint they may well return to a different site. If they set a pattern that the Russians can see they'll be toast the next time they pop their heads up.

[@johndoe8182]

Im new to the channel but I fucking love it

[@grimreapers]

WElcome mr Doe

[@InnSewerAnts]

Just a note, awacs support is all along the borders over poland too etc. Not just over the black sea. During local daytime they also tend to all have their transponders shouting to let Russia know we're there, watching and thus visible on sites like flightradar. Tankers blaring transponders too. Normally our awacs don't have the transponders running. (I live next to the main base for them, I'll see them IRL and they won't be on flightradar, they are purposely having their transponders shout during daytime, this publicly being there started shortly after the invasion began.) Also noted in an earlier video you didn't have an awacs above the north sea when you simulated ballistic missile attack on the UK, should have been there as it is there every day IRL. Would have skewed your sim with some earlier detection. Ukraine is getting all the support manageable tbh. On paper we're not (yet) but in reality NATO is full in and has been for a while. Intel is massively shared with Ukraine and probably running ops too. Whatever we can get away with without triggering Russia to go stupid and ballistic on us. Ukraine was warned by NATO intel Russia would invade to begin with. I doubt F16's would help much, IRL you can't just hop into a plane you don't know and have at it. It's not a car lol. You need time to study the manual, get familiar with specs of the plane (even just the basics, ideal landing speeds, stall speeds, take/of landing configs etc. none of these are universal across planes) before they are useful at all. UA pilots aren't familiar with F16's. Su's and Mig 29's some of our eastern members have sitting around would be a better vehicle to send to ukrainian pilots I think.

[@guyb7995]

A military conversion from say a 29 to a 16 would probably be about 6 months and that would be pretty intensive, you have a lot to learn and practice to form subconscious processes and muscle memory etc (remember, ''you don't have time to thing'' lol). That's potentially for all aspects though, maybe if they wanted to focus only on the air dominance and not train for any ground support it could shorten a conversion. You would never do that normally, but this is war, so who knows....

[@_codac_]

how do you get the planes to take off from the ground?

[@Anarchy_420]

They wouldn't send all SU-35's lol and I seriously doubt they'd send a SU-57 in fear of losing one of the very few they have into enemy hands😆 I'm pretty sure It's more of mix of SU-24's, SU-25's, SU-30's, small variety of MIG's mostly 29's and so on... however fewer SU-35's than any of said mentioned aircraft!

[@Anarchy_420]

This scenario is more of a show, what it'd be like if they sent their best ;)

[@tlhalefobriandlamini3817]

And they also wont send bombers alone into a territory where the enemy still has air presence so highly likely there would be SU-27 or better mainly to deal with the enemy if they decide to defend

[@Anarchy_420]

@@tlhalefobriandlamini3817 yes almost forgot SU-27's would predominantly deploy rather than SU-35👍

[@Flojer0]

I'll say, watching these is more entertaining than playing Ace Combat

[@opperbuil]

Dear Cap, I see your simulation rules are improving. One thing I'd like to add to this is that the Russian CAP might experience real world problems in taking off immediately. On the other hand, they might be in the air before you guys launch. It might be a nice idea to run multiple scenarios where an independent game master sets up the Russian forces for you. Also: KZbin appearently unsubbed me. You might want to warn the other unsubs that they might want to click the red button again.

[@IRONIC1688]

Very enjoyable to watch! as always. I was thinking about, what if After Lavrov's recent antisemitic rant, Russia goes 'Full retard' and hits an Israeli asset. The NAT GAS rigs offshore are the most valuable asset Israel ever had, if hit, Israel might respond harshly. We have the map, we can simulate the Russ contingence in Latakia and Tartus, the Israeli rigs, and Ramat David AB. this could be a really intriguing experiment.

[@potatoskunk5981]

Russia won't make a new enemy. Putin apologised. If Russia wants to expand the war at all, they might pick a fight with NATO so that they have an excuse for losing.

[@mikesmith-wk7vy]

i agree. they would not put their su-57 at risk when there is no real contesting of the airspace or intense dogfighting going on . they might test out the t-14 on the ground see how its armor and counter measures work

[@joblo341]

Fun. But is are these kill ratio's (this sim and last one) realistic?

[@KondorDCS]

Lol, about as realistic as a 300 pound fatass becoming an olympic high jumper. Hardly surprising though. Ever since I heard the BS that in a virtual exersize, 2 F22s effortlessly killed 16 (!) F15s...with the Eagles being completely unable to do anything about it. Considering that an F22 can carry 8 AAMs at most if it wants to remain LO, than that kill/loss ratio is just laughable.

[@v436lol]

how do u get the planes to spawn on the road?

[@willwozniak2826]

That's alot missiles on those F 16S!

[@jloiben12]

I am gonna be honest, if Poland can disappear a tank armada into Ukraine then America can disappear an F-16 armada into the country too. Sure. The Ukrainians would likely need some training because it is a different platform but lets be real. They can learn and learn quickly, we have a big supply of them, and they’d be useful

[@MrDJAK777]

Honestly the pilot thing seems a non issue given how many veterans have stayed willingness to volunteer I'm sure they could find a few dozen viper pilots only a few years out that would volunteer given they had planes and support.

[@joshberry4813]

Guns guns guns!!! Nice shooting Cap

[@Anarchy_420]

8:12 Agreed 100%👍

[@armchairwarrior963]

Too bad you guy can't simulate a swarm of DJI drones with grenades mod. That would be interesting to see.

[@alf3071]

maybe the radars don't even see it

[@williamstellmon7565]

The SU-57 is a fleet of 12. With the recent loss of a su-35, Russia is unlikely to send these aircraft in for fear of further humiliation. The number two aircraft that was set to land should have aborted that landing.

[@PDYALL]

Well raptors would be used along with 35s and no SU 57s out of the 6 that are fully operational only 2 are military capable

[@JD96893]

good mission!

[@LordOceanus]

Hey cap here is a quick list of Ukrainian air defense systems. IE this is everything they were known to operate before the war as well as systems they have acquired since the war started SA-2 (small number were still in deep storage its likely they were reactivated as an emergency measure) SA-10a Grumble (S-300PT-1) SA-10b Grumble (S-300PS) SA-12 Gladiator (S-300V1 Antey) SA-8b Gecko SA-11 Gadfly (9k37 buk-M1) (Note these were being upgraded to a new domestic standard similar to the Buk M2 although the umber completed is unknown) SA-13 Gopher (Strela--10) SA-15a Gauntlet (9K330 Tor) SA-19 Grisom (9k22 Tunguska) For MANPADs they operate Strela-2 (most are donated from Germany in poor condition) Strela-3 (Domestic stocks) Igla-1 (Domestic stocks) Igla (9k38) (Domestic Stocks) Piorun (Donated from Poland. platform is an igla derivative likely with SA-24 performance) FIM-92 Stinger (A mix of E,F,G,H, and J variants. Supplied by half a dozen nations) Mistral (~100 sent from Norway) Starstreak (Sizeable amount sent by the UK) Martlet (UK keeps denying it but there is footage of it in use) For Guns: AZP S-60 (Limited number was kept in storage) ZU-23-2 (no explanation needed) ZSU-23-4 Shilka (quite a few and many have been upgraded significantly) Flakmanzer Gepard (not there yet as far as i know but still useful for sure, sent by Germany) Overall Ukraine still operates a sizeable fleet of rather capable air defenses and the known losses only represent a fraction of their inventory. Ukraine still contests the skies Sources: Janes Photographic evidence official releases Sipri armstrade resource

[@MaxIsStrange1]

Thank you for the effort you’ve put into this comment

[@grimreapers]

Thanks Lord!

[@LordOceanus]

@@grimreapers Anytime Cap

[@milkelangelo1]

8:20 well the fact is they DID bring some Su-57s in the battle, and it's not just witnesses because there are some videos around the internet of one or two Su-57s coming in (the sound also makes them easy identifiable as no other russian aircraft has such high pitch engines)

[@mwtrolle]

What I suggested was to operate in or at least from areas where the US AWACS could give a good/decent battle picture.

[@grimreapers]

But aren't the bomber incursions that need to be attacked on the Eastern front?

[@mwtrolle]

@@grimreapers There are incoming logistics coming from Crimea, and along the coast. Also, shooting down Russian planes and sinking boats and ships in the black sea vill hurt the Russian morale, limit their choices and free up units from the coastline that can then be sent to help in the fighting in and around Donbas. There it would make sense to use them more in an offensive role. About the bomber incursion, right now it's mainly along and close to the front line. But there have been attacks much further into the country, though it seems like they mainly use missiles now. Guess the F-16s could be used to hunt down some of the cruise missiles as well. I don't think the F-16s would be used to go all-in against the bombers in the frontline area, they would be used really carefully, picking out a few targets at a time, when they got some decent intel on what is in the area and where. The Ukrainians don't need to shoot down all the bombers that attack, they need to shoot some down, and in that way grind down the Russian airforce, or limit their operation in the area.

[@mwtrolle]

@@grimreapers Maybe make a video where video or videos to test what fighter could help most. F-16(Some suggested F-15, but I guess it would be limited by its size and requirements and having to be operated from roads), Mirage 2000, Hornets, Super Hornets and Gripen C's( personally I feel the Gripen C's would be the best for the role(especially as they are capable of using the Meteor missiles).

[@mwtrolle]

@@grimreapers Are there any good representation for the Upgraded Romanian MiG-21's in the game? As I understand they have got better avionics, and use NATO targeting pods, NATO guided bombs and some NATO missiles as well. Could they help the Ukrainians by supporting the MiG-29's from the back in the air to air fighting? How good would they be for ground support? As I see it, they are damn old, but they are not completely hopeless. Used in the right role they might be able to make a difference if no western planes can be sent. Their main advantage is that they Use NATO bombs and missiles, so we have got an almost unlimited supply of them. While it might not be the best or newest NATO missiles it can USE, they are probably a lot better than what Ukraine operates now. The precision-guided ordinance surely is better,, and as I said they can get a lot of it fast and indefinitely.

[@Shadowless_Kick]

Without having enough knowledge about how the fighter jets detect each other and what factors determine who can aim and shoot whom first, I find such videos very hard to understand. (Not knowing many terminologies is another reason for confusion). I hope you could at least post a brief summary about the battle and the result.

[@MaxIsStrange1]

Maybe it’s just me but I prefer that GR upload more actual content than that they try to explain the basics after each upload and end up making fewer of the actual videos. I’m sure there are plenty of existing videos and pages that lay down the basics.

[@Echo4Sierra4160]

It would take at least a year to train the pilots, maintainers, loaders.......

[@TheDgdimick]

Sorry Cap, been away from the computer, so I need to catch up a bit, I think a Bog would have been better, I think there was a Bog involved, and think I saw some other YT channel do this with Bogs.

[@timblack6422]

F22s are now an “older “ airframe… I think we would use it

[@Pman353]

Except that their internal systems are updated regularly

[@timblack6422]

@@Pman353 as are most all the others as well

[@eatshitpitt1990]

We would send the stealths but they put the little rcs panel things on them that change what the actual rcs of the plane looks like. Can't remember what they're called, they use them when they do air superiority missions in the U. S.

[@tinroxsasbendi3803]

Just a tip if the Russian awac sees the Ukrainian planes the bombers would turn back and rtb. other than it was pretty good!

[@tinroxsasbendi3803]

@@noidontthinksolol doesn't*

[@tinroxsasbendi3803]

@@noidontthinksolol Then why mock me? No one*

[@kosomolsk]

How much difference would it make if you increased the self-defense armament of the Su-34 to include R-77 missiles and perhaps order them to attack your FARB rather than random spots on the map?

[@diogenes1670]

How does enemy use of the RS-28 Sarmat affect the game?

[@kevinzeh3559]

I believe I remember Ward Carrol saying he things NATO most definitely would employ Lightning IIs if things get worse and most people wouldn't know until SU-35s start mysteriously dropping like flies.

[@2001TMA1]

In these simulations, the Russian side is completely overestimated. As if they actually had the latest guided missiles presented at some military fair in large numbers in their arsenal. Or that the Air Force would mainly use SU-35s, but in fact they are primarily SU-30s and only a few SU-35s. In reality, even modern SU-34s attack primarily with ancient dumb bombs, and pilot proficiency is similar to that of ground forces and the Navy. It would be advisable to read an interview with a Ukrainian pilot (coffeeordie). If the basic conditions of a simulation in terms of equipment and training deviate so much from reality, the result unfortunately has no meaningfulness.

[@AllHandlesRTaken]

8:00 🐮Mooorale Lovely, just lovely.

[@dampSocks426]

Hi Cap, How many Eurofighters do U have ready to go.. in real world (not a spy).

[@grimreapers]

105 on station.