If - Fibonacci's Number

[@quisquisfieri]

My older brother (born in 1955), whose musical taste has strongly influenced me to this day, had several LPs in the 70s (I recently bought them as CDs: If 2, If 3 and Waterfall). The band was very successful in Germany at the time. I even saw them live on television. That must have been in 1975. Nice memories of a great band that, like Dick Morrissey, has quite unjustly fallen into oblivion a little.

[@captainakeaton5572]

My brother introduced me to IF .

[@steveheck4348]

RIP Ciff Davies! Master Drummer!

[@TheBuffalobill0]

One of my all time favourite bands of this era. Have all their albums and have been searching for web content. Sound engineered for Dick when with Morrisey Mullen Band. Great to hear these songs again Yay !!!!!

[@jorghantke6494]

What for a wonderful Band! Jazzrock at it`s best!

[@lawrencefairbairn5339]

Bring back Jazz-Rock, as if it ever went away. I wish we could hear more of this on mainstream radio. It seems such a bloody shame that music as good as this and stuff from other bands such as Colosseum aren't given any recognition these days. BTW, My favourite album was IF 3.

[@ThisIsVisser]

Lawrence Fairbairn Check out a band called Thank You Scientist, you won't be disappointed.

[@voshche]

@@ThisIsVisser check out please Medeski Martin And Wood

[@chicmim]

This Brings back memories.

[@rostasi]

"What Did I Say About The Box, Jack?" got constant play in my bedroom and studio starting in 1970.

[@TVsMrHappyTalk]

Saw them a few times in the 70s around Sarf London.. kept it quiet from my Soft Machine loving chums though as I'd probably have got chucked out of the avant gardening society.

[@mattiasorre1718]

Dick actually played with soft machine for a while

[@zeuhltube]

hahaha!!!

[@massimomarchesin8708]

Ma io penso che anche gli IF appartengono a quelle bands che proponevano un certo linguaggio di avanguardia musicale, certamente il loro sound era più improntato a delle sonorità più calde rispetto ai SOFT MACHINE HENRY COW MATCHING MOLE HATFIELD & THE NORTH NATIONAL HEALTH EGG GONG MAGMA etc !!!!!!! Ma NON per questo meno originali e ripeto parimenti INNOVATIVI con loro potrei citare anche i COLOSSEUM o i WARM DUST , BLOOD SWEAT &TEARS o primi CHICAGO, differenti nei climi musicali più briosi, solari rispetto all' introspezione sonora più dark e cerebrale di bands come detto prima es SOFT MACHINE,EGG, HATFIELD & THE NORTH etc ma NON per questo meno valide ed innovative e sicuramente affascinanti nelle loro proposte musicali!!!!!! Il prog rock, NON è sempre sinonimo di suoni oscuri misteriosi e cerebrali, c'è anche la sua parte più solare e comunicativa senza mai scadere o quasi nel banale,nello scontato. Come sempre sta ai musicisti saper creare delle suggestioni,dei mondi sonori che sappiano affascinare coinvolgere chi ascolta e naturalmente appassionare i musicisti stessi che propongono certe idee musicali. Quindi in sintesi,sia chi propone un sound cerebrale oscuro misterioso e chi all' opposto cioè solare brioso e comunicativo, alla base di tutto c'è una cosa basilare importante fondamentale e cioè LE IDEE, la CREATIVITÀ dei musicisti che sono quelli che regalano emozioni in musica,a se stessi e a chi ascolta ed apprezza la buona musica.

[@nikolaosmosxakis3395]

very very good old band .............................................................

[@brianrich6]

I was in a club in Vienna in 1972 when this song came on. A cool moment in time.

[@peterbashford9262]

Great band, I saw them several times, Dick and Terry making a change in direction, and dave Quincy fits in perfectly. Brings back some good memories!

[@jonsilence]

Wow....Dave Greenslade and Cliff Davies!

[@davemassive8147]

no, it isn't

[@mattiasorre1718]

Lol yes it is

[@paistecat]

When I saw them at the Whiskey Ian Paice went up and crouched down by the hi-hat talking to Cliff Davies during the set. Cliff used that same blue sparkle Ludwig kit. Man he was flying up there.

[@frankrusk6172]

it is Dave!

[@plastiqueadapte]

Many thanks for sharing - rare - videos of my favorite jazz-rock band !

[@Magnetron33]

Saw them in Chicago in 1970. On a bill with Quatermass. Mylon, Skid Row and headliner Ten Years After, all for $4.00 at a place called the Syndrome

[@bakeone4406]

Pretty effing great! had no idea a drummer who played in Foreigner could do what this guy does during the last 3 minutes of the clip. Really cool, would liked to have heard Terry Smith get more space though.

[@Sliderone73NZ]

Cool. My fave is If 2. Amazing stuff. I have been a fan since 1972.....

[@KMM1951]

Followed this group around the South East 1971-74. Even got their signatures on my Goldsmiths Student Union Card

[@LaTortuePGM]

i bought their first album a few weeks ago. i was aware they were a jazz fusion band, but never heard any of their songs before. honestly, they sound damn great ! totally digging it.

[@nojansharif8950]

IT's SO PERFECT...IT REMINDS ME The Time I was about 7Years old & my Uncle LOVED "IF" having their 3 RECORDS...I LOVED IT Too MUCH....YESSSS...THANK YOU SO MUCH.........

[@doylegrizzle4906]

I love this group since I only found them recently. I've traffic, blood sweat and tears, Chicago and ides of March! This has influenced of my drumming!

[@alvinloloney5912]

Dave Greenslade looks featured on this footage.

[@iluvpepi]

The most adorable Prog video ever! ❤️ I’ve just discovered this band. Awesome.

[@ondashertzianas]

Excellent material! IF it's a one favourite bands of mine; thanks for share their rare and unique work. Greetings from Mexico.

[@francislee9]

Been listening to my IF albums since 1970, still sound as good as ever! Great to see Dave Greenslade on this, saw his group in 1973, not a patch on this though!

[@tonyreeves1853]

Oh dear! :)

[@francislee9]

Must confess I did really like Greenslade, but IF were one of my passions! Sorry!

[@zeuhltube]

@@tonyreeves1853 is it really THE Tony Reeves??? congrats, man, always enjoyed your bass playing in COLOSSEUM and later on with DAVE GREENSLADE....

[@drumsport]

The original drummer for their first several albums was Dennis Elliott of Foreigner fame. With Foreigner he played mostly straight grooves, but he was a very educated drummer and had incredible chops. Find these old albums on CD and marvel at his great technique.

[@joshf1882]

I'm the son of Lew Futterman, If's manager and producer. Dennis was a talented guy, but Cliff Davies, who replaced him, was actually a big step up. If you listen to Cliff's live performance here compared to the original Albums, he is much more the backbone of the performances.

[@mattiasorre1718]

Well, I remember Dick telling us kids that Dennis was the only rock drummer he ever met who could play jazz, and the whole Cliff Davies era was Dick's least favorite IF period because he felt they were slowly becoming a shitty hard rock band with little jazz left. Not just another bunch...was the IF record that Dick was most disappointed in. In fact, it was the reason Dick dissolved the band. Cliff was too loud, too busy and too much rock for Dick's taste, although he liked him very much as a person. Wow, I just remembered...Josh! We had a fight in the pool room at the Manor once!

[@drumsport]

Cliff has chops for sure, but IMHO solos should be musical rather than just a display of speed. Wasn't Dennis only 17 or 18 years old when IF broke in approx. 1970? I just remember thinking that Dennis' construction of rudiments into fills that fit the space and tempo were extraordinary. I still listen to my early IF CD's and have incorporated a few of Dennis' licks into my playing.

[@joshf1882]

@@mattiasorre1718 If I remember correctly, your dad and Cliff butted heads a lot, which may have had an impact on his feelings about that era. I certainly don't think If was ever remotely Hard Rock. That said, I loved your dad and always enjoyed hanging out with him as a kid and as a young adult when I lived in London for a bit. No memory of that fight, but it wouldn't surprise me. I got into a lot of fights as a kid. Hit me up on Facebook. It would be fun to catch up.

[@mattiasorre1718]

@@joshf1882 Well, they all went off and joined heavy rocker Nugent, so I dont think Dick was far off...reminds me of colin hodgkinsons remark who played a lot with dick and also played with whitesnake - during a really loud and heavy part with whitesnake, he whispered to the guitarist "the blues, man!" at which they both cracked up with laughter. I also remember him shaking his head sadly, both at Foreigner and Nugent (particularly the latter which he really thought was bad music). He was also really impressed by Elliots feel. Yeah, we lived together at the manor, we had a fight in the billiard hall, I threw a billiard ball at you. Then I hid under the bed and wrote a fake suicide letter because I was mortified when you started crying :p Your favourite song was "Thats the way uhu uhu I like it uhu uhu"

[@SAM66GOPAL]

yes awesome in everyway

[@drudnhax4267]

great !

[@dwpbill1]

This is fantsatic I didnt know there was anything else other the Forgotten Roads vid thats been on here years, I'm sure they did a program for Granada TV in the UK in the early 70's which was a recorded concert which i think was at Liverpool University. Always hoped that would turn up one day.I think that was the original line up as well.

[@standbytogo123]

I was at the show recorded at Liverpool uni in 1970 or 71 can't quite recall, the show was called 'Out Front'. Went straight out afterwards and bought 'If three' and have played this track to death!

[@jimurquhart7433]

Absolute Ripper THX

[@ittybittybetty]

amazing!

[@richardbowes6897]

Much better than Chicago.

[@TVsMrHappyTalk]

Chicago's first album is exceptional - as is this. Great bands!

[@wayneblanchard97]

Better? You might prefer them more but that doesn't make them 'better'. It is unfortunate that the original Chicago is now defined by band's pop hits of the 80s and onward, because when Chicago first hit they were such a transformational force. This is a live version of the first track those of us who bought the album 'Chicago Transit Authority' got to hear. If it interests you, the complete concert is on KZbin. It's Chicago, Tanglewood, 1970. Hopefully you'll enjoy this track. Cheers from Canada. kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2TXapdsf7tjnNU

[@Sliderone73NZ]

Agreed

[@davemassive8147]

i have a recording from 71 of this from a 'bbc radio one in concert'. whole gig was terrific. john peel introducing all tracks. stoned out of his gourd. agree on softs and BST comparisons, although early chicago is more like this. hints of santana without horns too

[@drudnhax4267]

Wow , could you ul this bbc in concert show . I think lot of people would like it ! ! !

[@tonydesarzec907]

My dear friend Dick. I still really miss him.

[@Zeyes1951]

As far as I can read, Dennis Elliott was drummer for at least the first 3 albums i.e. IF, IF2, IF3 (on which FIBONACCI'S NUMBER was). Cliff Davies arrived later

[@mattiasorre1718]

This is Cliff

[@905Alive]

@@mattiasorre1718 nope it's Dennis

[@mattiasorre1718]

No its not, I knew both of them as Dicks stepson

[@mattiasorre1718]

Double-checked, 100% cliff, the guy who poses in the middle on the "more than just another..." cover

[@mattiasorre1718]

@T C Course it is, Dick was my dad, met both cliff and dennis loads of times

[@marttiwuori6304]

This is something! Back to music!

[@goingnowherefastman]

Brilliant.....can´t wait to hear "IF V"....

[@SAM66GOPAL]

yorkshire tv very rare footage thanks

[@Sliderone73NZ]

Thanks for the corrections.... the line up was pretty much guess work on my part as there wasn't any info.... DG on keys as well.... cool stuff and the only footage I have seen beside forgotten roads..... enjoy...

[@frankrusk6172]

this was at the end of the band just before Dick Morrisey got sick/

[@ozzyventura]

iF 3 LP's came to me one day, because I'm a Rock 'n Roll Soul...No ordinary soul can understand this music -

[@gustavoarayavielma9009]

extraordinaria banda de jazz-rock un privilegio para mis oido

[@oriza2]

Watch this, and can't pretend anymore as IF nothing happened.

[@stetrak1967]

Brilliant!

[@antoniodias4718]

No, there are more videos of IF performing, fortunately!!!

[@mattiasorre1718]

any links please?

[@zeuhltube]

hi, steve, would love to hear from you!!! please get back to me, so we can try to get the remastering going!!! cheers.

[@joseluisoterooliveira7485]

Tremendo grupo

[@jonsilence]

Brilliant! Slight correction: This is Cliff Davies on drums.

[@davemassive8147]

no, it isn't

[@mattiasorre1718]

Yes it is. I knew both of them.

[@paistecat]

It certainly is!

[@jonsilence]

@@davemassive8147: CLIFF DAVIES 100% here. I saw If with both Dennis Elliot and Cliff Davies; VERY different players, this is Cliff who went on to play with Ted Nugent---- of all people.

[@jonsilence]

@@paistecat: It sure is Joe!!!!

[@TheGranti7a]

According to Wikipedia the band reformed as late as 2015/16: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_(band)#:~:text=If%20was%20a%20British%20progressive,Europe%2C%20the%20US%20and%20Canada.

[@13towerofpower]

FIBONACCI ´S NUMBER skladba jazz rockovej skupiny IF, ktorej autorom bol Dave Quincy.Kompozícia bola úvodnou na albume IF3, ktorý bol v rebríčku Billboardu tri týždne od 25. septembra 1971 a skončil na 171.m. ako najlepšie umiestnený zo štyroch albumov IF, IF2 a WATERFALL..Skupina nahrala album na jar 1971 v Island Studios pod vedením producenta Lewa Futtermana.Skladba bola nazvaná po talianskom matematikovi žijúcom v Pise v 13 storočí, ktorý bol autorom zvláštnej teorie o číslach. Základom bola zmena v tempe. Quincy hral v 10/4 a Dick Morrissey na flaute v 3/4 tempe.Pri tvorbe sa inšpiroval skladbou Shadows and Echoes z albumu IF2, ktorej autorom bol Lionel Grigson (1942-1994) jazzový profesor na Guildhall School Of Music, ktorý bol pôvodným členom skupiny IF pred Johnom Mealingom.Video pochádza z obdobia po roku 1972, kedy Mealing, Richardson a Elliott boli nahradení novými hudobníkmi.Patrili k nim Dave Greenslade klavesy, Dave Wintour basová gitara a Cliff Davies bicie, ktorý žiaľ 13. apríla 2008 vo veku 60 rokov spáchal samovražde v Atlante údajne pre finančné problemy.

[@holli1958]

really fantastic group ! Is there any more stuff about the guys ?

[@holli1958]

[@mattiasorre1718]

This is MK III, Dick dissolved the band not long after

[@AfricanMagma]

I have this show recorded on taperecorder somewhere. Maybe was a recording from Swedish TV?

[@mattiasorre1718]

could be, Dick and Terry lived in Orminge for a couple of years (Dick, my dad, furiously demanded we move back to England when he was asked for his ID while buying beer, which we did)

[@zeuhltube]

This show has been recorded by RTBF, i.e. BELGIAN TV for one of their music shows (POP SHOP etc.). in the same series appeared GENESIS, YES, ELP, FAMILY, ATOMIC ROOSTER and quite some...

[@michaelbutcher3563]

First heard this earlier this morning, New Years Day to be exact. What a great sound. Seems like they've been influenced by the Average White Band a bit.

[@Sliderone73NZ]

"If" was around ages before AVB. They produced several albums before AVB started up. It's probably the other way round.

[@michaelbutcher3563]

@@Sliderone73NZ Thank you for your feedback. It is much appreciated. I can now well imagine the Average White Band being influenced by this group and sound, especially on such as Pick Up The Pieces and "Going Home," from the Soul Searching album

[@AfricanMagma]

Yea, there's a sign saying "Burman", maybe Anders Burman, producer with good ears...

[@mattiasorre1718]

Might have been. I remember us kids walking around large SVT studios prior to IF doing a recording.

[@Baribrotzer]

They don't really compare easily to any well-known US band, even though their combination of jazz and rock is very American-sounding. Chicago and BS&T were far more in the way of being vocal-oriented pop bands, and fusion was a later development that doesn't quite fit these guys. Really, the main comparisons would be fellow Englishmen - Colosseum, Brian Auger, maybe The Nice, and a few others.

[@craigd7808]

You shouldn't give Chicago that much credit.

[@zeuhltube]

@Sliderone73NZ: hi, steve, would love to hear from you!!! please get back to me, so we can try to get the remastering going!!! cheers.