If - Sunday Sad

[@zeuhltube]

the keyboarder in this performance for belgian TV "ROCK OF THE SEVENTIES" as well as the following tour is not JOHN MEALING, but DAVE GREENSLADE, who sat in after the split of COLOSSEUM!!

[@steveheywood7795]

Was surprise to see Dave Greenslade's name in this listing of players. Was a big fan of both Colosseum & If.

[@usdarts]

I cannot believe that anyone would compare them to Chicago. If were more experimental and had a free form approach to their music. After all these years I still go back to listen to them. Actually saw them perform at The Birdcage in Ashton-Under-Lyne, Lancashire back in the day.

[@gregruthen3844]

Only in passing. Travelled all over the place e to see the Bull's Head Barnes mostly but Oxford Guildhall? Supported by Steamhammer a nd the Torrington Southgate.

[@usdarts]

@@gregruthen3844 I have Steamhammer down as one of the worst gigs I ever attended at Newcastle University. I have kind of moved on to Northern Soul since then. I have a show on kglt.net in Montana, trying to improve the musical scene away from the C&W that dominates here.

[@kurtlonde5892]

Colloseum.... you can compare to Colloseum

[@frankrusk6172]

@@kurtlonde5892 Dave Greenslade toured with them.

[@usdarts]

@@kurtlonde5892 and I saw Colosseum in Newcastle way back when. Must dig out their CDs. Stay safe.

[@jorghantke7181]

This is not the "British Chicago", this is a wonderful Jazz-Rock Band, bring me a wonderful Sound and a brilliant Athmosphere!

[@Sliderone73NZ]

Corrected

[@russellunwin9046]

If were one of the best live bands on the circuit in the 60's. Superb soloists and a rhythm section that was always on fire. Great vocalist in Hodgkinson!

[@sospiri73]

Around about 1975, the Parkstone Jazz Club in Poole, UK, had Terry Smith as a monthly guest. I was in the house band & thoroughly enjoyed that night. A few months later we had the Ronnie Scott Trio with John Mealing on C3 and Bobby Gien on drums replacing the earlier Mike Carr and Tony Crombie - another good night.

[@Mrmercuzio1]

By far the most underrated band of all times. As they are often compared to Chicago (but that's misleading, according to me), they should deserve at least part of the same international acclaim as the American band. Sure they were by no means lesser as their musical abilities were concerned.

[@ozzyventura]

...and in the Beginning, there was Progressive Rock !

[@BarbRamsey111]

when my son died it has been a year and i still wait for him sooo sad so sad

[@shemanic1]

great band and album. It has been in my collection since release.

[@stetrak1967]

One of the best jazz prog bands, great sound, amazing

[@scifiwriter98]

Wow, I can't believe this is on youtube. I saw them in Detroit, Nov. 1970, supporting Elton John. Everyone came to hear "Your Song" and it seemed like I was the only audience member familiar with If's music. In fact when I was the only one who clapped when they introduced the song "What Did You Say About the Box," the singer looked in my direction and said Thank you. I always felt bad that they weren't better received that night.

[@ianwilkinson4602]

My daughter went to see the band Medicine Head, there were 17 people at the event, they played their hearts out for those few fans.

[@Mrmercuzio1]

How I love this music!! Useless to say, nothing like this is made nowadays.

[@marttiwuori6304]

I love this song!

[@gizmodelicious]

I don't believe it ! IF on video !! Saw these guys at the Fillmore East, opening up for Rod Stewart/Faces in 1970. Became a fan based on that performance. They also got a lot of airplay on WNEW-FM from Scott Muni and Allison Steele. Wonderful, wonderful band. One tune - "Your City is Falling" (on If2) just burns, and Dennis Elliott plays a great 'big band' type of solo. Great soloists - John Mealing was a VERY underrated Hammond player.

[@gregruthen3844]

Shame Dennis left to go the Cliff Bennett and the Rebel Rousers.

[@user-yx9gz2rd5v]

For a very brief period, Dave Greenslade (after 'Colosseum' and before 'Greenslade' ) played with IF. From his looks I believe on this clip it is Greenslade playing on the Keyboards rather than John Mealing. But I will stand corrected if someone knows for sure.

[@BarbRamsey111]

wow amazing have never forgotten this tune

[@OncleRRRouliane]

This is fantastic, thanks a lot for allowing me to see this.

[@markolsen5247]

Top flight musicians and song writers who brought woodwinds to jazz/ rock. The world needs an anthology from these guys.

[@geofreyflickman9791]

Great to watch a live version

[@OncleRRRouliane]

@Sliderone73NZ Thanks a lot ! This is one of my favorite bands in the brass prog-rock field, they had that unique groove and terrific expressive feel. Fibonacci's Number is killer as well.

[@kevinkelleher8492]

Brilliant, way overlooked in the US at that time

[@Sliderone73NZ]

Thanks for the corrections.... the line up was pretty much guess work on my part as there wasn't any info.... .... cool stuff and the only footage I have seen beside forgotten roads..... enjoy...

[@nojansharif8950]

PERFECT...................THANX.............

[@marcodelacruz5414]

It´s a great band!!!!!!

[@Sliderone73NZ]

@gizmodelicious Yeah, I know what you mean. This stuff is like rocking horse droppings. If 2 is my fave album, and has been since I first heard it in 1972. Glad you like the clips.

[@johnbauer960]

Thanks so much! yeah, not mealing on keyboard here, nor is that elliot on drums, who later went on to Foreigner; this is cliff davies, who later went on to ted nugent

[@silviobelusic2022]

i love this song

[@brucerich4057]

love it got all their original albums scratches and all What else can u expect from England and the Queen on your Canadian dollar bill

[@gikasmarkantonatos2168]

Never heard of this band, and I'm a big fan of "Jazz Rock" - Blood, Sweat and Tears, Chicago, Chase (who'm I saw practicing in my elder brothers living room - he was their sound engineer on their South African tour). Thanks for the post.

[@13towerofpower]

IF a Colosseum boli najlepšie britské skupiny na jazz rockovej scene v UK, ktoré si po celé obdobie zachovávali svoj hudobný štýl a neprispôsobovali ho vývoju hudby a zrejme preto nedosiahli populariru najmä skupiny Chicago, ktorá bola skôr brass rockovou skupinou neskôr orientovanou na rock pop.

[@petergoodwin9090]

Look up J.J. Jackson Dilemma feature If's guitar and tenor sax in 5 piece horn section , saw live at Britt. Rowing Club Nottm .I was 17 learn trumpet .Blew top of my head off !! Xxx

[@MrMjp58]

Does anyone remember them appearing on a televised outdoor gig - late summer '71? I enjoyed it as a 13 year old. I recall another speedy Terry Smith solo.

[@conniecarter9477]

That's Dave Greenslade on Hammond :-)

[@shilohnoone4632]

Nope

[@cultdung]

yes it is!

[@wayneblanchard97]

@@cultdung Certainly looks like Greenslade.

[@KeepYourOptionsOpen]

It SOUNDS like him too.

[@massimomarchesin8708]

GLI IF li accostò a BS&T primi CHICAGO, COLOSSEUM WARM DUST . Anche loro grande miscela ROCK JAZZ e agganci prog come gli altri che ho citato!!!!!

[@mossy2209]

JW was my dad's cousin. This is my favourite track that he sings on

[@johnp583]

How did he pass away may I ask? Sad that he did.

[@derekgreenough666]

@@johnp583 Heart disease.

[@gregruthen3844]

Outstanding band of the era. More Blood Sweat & Tears than Chicago though strong jazz influence by Dick Morrisey who went on to be a top flight Saxophonist.

[@jong0000]

He already was, long before If...

[@neapolismusic]

... whenever there was some brass and it didn't sound like british blues, the band was compared with Chicago. If was GREAT - I heard them several times in the seventies.

[@gerrykulpa7228]

Such inspiring music from bands like IF(one of my faves,)as well as Collaseum (another fave)John Mealing would join Klaus Doldingers PASSPORT for a time,an excellent Jazzrock fusion band.JW would join Daryl Ways WOLF for their 3rd LP Night Music.ALL are MUST own LPs IMO

[@Sliderone73NZ]

@OncleRRRouliane you are very welcome. I am glad you found it ok. Its just that I feel this band deserves to be kept alive for the music.......

[@lennylaa1686]

Roughly when was bass player Mike Tomich in IF? When he left, who else did he play for and is he still alive in 2020?

[@WillieEWoof]

Chicago is a great band. Still, If was a class above (at least for me).

[@markolsen5247]

Like a lot of bands, their best stuff was in the early years (If and If2) Chicago (Terry Kath and Chicago Transit Authority) BS&T (Al Kooper)

[@Hermanroovers]

just released: a bonus dvd with 4 tracks If 2 reissue

[@joshf1882]

Probably mid-70s slightly before Cliff Davies left to drum with Ted Nugent.

[@13towerofpower]

SUNDAY SAD skladba jazz rockovej skupiny IF z albumu IF 2, ktorý bol v rebríčku Billboardu osem týždňov od 30. januara 1971 a skončil na 203.m. Autorom skladby bol Dick Morrissey hráč na tenor a alt saxofon, flautu aranžer, zakladateľ a vedúca osobnosť skupiny, ktorý bol viťazom ankety v časopise Melody Maker Pool spoločne s gitaristom Terry Smithom. Žiaľ predčasne zomrel vo veku 60 rokov 8. novembra 1990 po dlhoročnom boji s rakovinou.Napriek tomu, že sa inšpirovali skupinami Chicago a Bloos, Sweat And Tears ich obsadenie bolo v dychových nástrojoch tvorili len dvaja hráči na saxofon bez trubky a trombonu. V hudobnej orientácii si vytvorili vlastný štýl vychádzajúci z tvorby Graham Bond Organisation alebo Milesa Davisa.a podmienené tým, že boli hudobníkmi viac z oblasti jazzu ako rocku. Hlavným skladateľom skupiny bol Dave Quincy hráč na saxofon a flautu.Žialˇaj spevák John William Hodgkinson zomrel 8. júna 2013 v Manchestri vo veku 70 rokov.Rytmickú sekciu skupiny tvorili Jim Richardson basová gitara, Dennis Elliot bicie neskôr populárny v skupine Foreigner a John Mealing organ.Porovnajúc obsadenie som dospel k záveru, že zostava skupiny nie je pôvodná. Popri Hodkinsovi spev, Morisseym a Quincym saxofon a flauta a Terry Smithovi gitara sú noví hudobníci Dave Greenslade organ, Dave Wintour basová gitara a Cliff Davies bicie, ktorý 13. apríla 2008 v dome v Antlante spáchal samovraždu strelnou zbraňou vo veku 60 rokov údajne z finančných dôvodov.Nová zostava hrala V rokoch 1972 a 1973.

[@timwall7573]

Steve, I'd be really interested to know where this video was first broadcast.

[@Sliderone73NZ]

Hi Tim, I'm not sure. I copied it from a TV show in the UK early to mid 80's on Anglia TV. I would say its around the early 70's, and maybe European but again, not sure.

[@dasmit-wp6bw]

i recorded this from the same tv show in the mid 80s, also a genesis gig too, all from Belgian Tv.

[@paddymulligan]

Think it came from Belgian tv channel RTB F

[@alviob]

do you have "upstairs" in live version?

[@Sliderone73NZ]

Alvio, Sorry this is all I have. I copied it from a TV prog I copied to video in the UK many years ago.

[@butchalano6802]

IF can kick the shit out of BST,Chicago,Lighthouse,Ides Of March, anytime....

[@WillieEWoof]

Absolutely correct! IF were by far the best of all of these kind of bands from the beginnings of 70ies. Including Dreams, too.

[@13towerofpower]

Butch Alano žiaľ mnohí kritici si neuvedomujú, že IF boli skutočnou jazz rockovou skupinou, kým Chicago boli rockovou skupinou s dychmi brass rock, ktorá sa neskôr orientovala na kombináciu rocku s popom a Blood Sweat And Tears boli blues rockovou skupinou, ktorú doplnili v dychovej sekcii jazzoví hudobníci.a v hudbe miešala rôzne žánre vrátane klasickej hudby.