If People Talked About Mario Games Like Sonic Games

In an alternate timeline where SEGA won the console wars instead of Nintendo, one game journalist goes on a quest to prove to the world that Mario was never good.
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#sonic #sonicthehedgehog #mario

[@chaomix]

THIS VIDEO IS A JOKE PLEASE UNDERSTAND

[@spritekingjay]

ayy wasgud mr mix

[@VongolaXZax]

Or is it?

[@sonicfanboy3375]

I understand

[@sonichighway207]

No problem, I understand

[@beuwm]

i don😡😡

[@Austroid]

Mario was never the same after they changed the color of his overalls. 😝

[@piranhalettuce]

"It’s supposed to be Red Overalls! Not Blue Overalls!"

[@alternatenican]

Ewww, why did they change them. Sonic would never do this!

[@cosplayingchao]

Mario should just return to his classic look. Red overalls and brown shirt just looked the best, and now he suddenly has blue overalls and red shirt in 2? Black overalls in 3? BACK TO BLUE IN WORLD?! WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU COLORBLIND MIYAMOTO?

[@lukas2.036]

Super Mario 64, Sunshine, Galaxy and Odyssey should be banned from the universe bc 3d = bad and 2d = perfection

[@mason2978]

Mario being created in 1981 and changing his overalls in 1988 Sonic being created in 1991 and changing his style in 1998

[@zenostriker6081]

Mario gets a talking water pump and a cap with eyes. -Perfectly fine Sonic gets a talking sword for one game. -SONIC WITH A SWORD!? WTF IS THIS!? HE’S JUST A BLUE TALKING HEDGEHOG, THIS IS SO CRINGY AND RIDICULOUS!!! WHAT IS SEGA THINKING!? SONIC IS DEAD!!!!

[@ZFTim]

Idiots do be like that

[@shadowbannedneet]

pain

[@tuckertooley174]

I used to really like black knight never had a copy of my own though

[@mikumika3819]

uhhh actually there's a lot of people who don't like mario sunshine soooo that's not really true

[@bowmaj8666]

There are people who couldn't even accept Sonic teaming up with Tails, for crying out loud! That's how unfair criticisms of Sonic can be!

[@AngelG_2003]

This is the best Marvel “What If” ever.

[@andreasmeelie1889]

I know right?!😂

[@Username_ladiesman217]

Maro in Spooder Men Homeless? 😳😳😳

[@light2533]

Y E S : )

[@sonicspeed3056]

Yeah

[@kevinp.a1722]

@@Username_ladiesman217 kinda sus 😳😳

[@shivansh3387]

Nintendo has ruined Wario by making him an edgelord and why does Luigi have to be soo scared who once fought Bowser. Also they made Donkey Kong soo dumb who once was a guardian (of bananas I guess). And they keep bringing the old Mario design back like in Odessey. (Get it?)

[@UmbreonAnimate]

And where's Waluigi 😭?!

[@jillsandwich4862]

@@UmbreonAnimate ded

[@UmbreonAnimate]

@@jillsandwich4862 Oh yeah, right, Waluigi sacrificed himself, that was sooo sad :'(

[@hoseinbmr3449]

@@UmbreonAnimate no one likes him because of his terrible fishing gameplay in Mario adventure 1 😂

[@supercamborg4218]

The funny thing is Wario actually did have what was once just a secondary aspect of his character become almost the entirety of the character when Smash Bros Brawl made Wario just a fart joke when his grosser aspects were supposed to be supplementary to his greed and the brute strength he’ll use to get his way. There’s unironically a bit of a parallel with Wario and Shadow with being a rival who became the internet’s stereotype of themselves

[@gameguy_64]

And who could forget the infamous game, that nearly killed the franchise, Super Mario Bros 2006 (Mario 06).

[@saltystick_99]

*Super Mario Galaxy as a proper parallel -I'm not saying Galaxy is bad please don't hurt me-

[@charliekahn4205]

New Soup?

[@clownpiecejunkoandhecatia7240]

It's Super Princess Peach of 2006 XD

[@thebestdoggo3673]

Remember that time Mario kissed a ghost? What was Nintendo thinking!?

[@cay7809]

wow I just noticed that in 2006 they just rp tried to revive old games 1 not so good 1 ok

[@luigines6457]

This is the perfect way to insult everyone who thought Sonic was Never Good

[@cameldamaracameldamara5545]

Yeah

[@ridleythedragon718]

yeah and too be honest, mario is boring

[@rapidlyvids]

@@ridleythedragon718 I like Mario and all but, The Princess being stolen has been getting old.

[@papermario1016]

@@ridleythedragon718 not really.

[@hybrid.theory345]

frontal bombing

[@lpfan4491]

I unironically enjoyed this video because this is at least partially right, even tho it is a parody-joke. People really be bashing Sonic just for stylepoints, when other IPs do similar things.

[@jdawson7877]

yeah for example everyone was fine with link turning into a wolf but when sonic does it its suddenly a bad thing . to be honest i found the werehog much more fun compared to wolf link which was not bad but felt a bit boring sometimes

[@rynobehnke8289]

@@jdawson7877 The really funny thing with Wolf link is that its arguably makes less sense as all Links are reincarnations of each other and "A Link to the Past" Link was turned into a Pink Bunny in the Shadow world.

[@Mr_Gamer-Random]

@@jdawson7877 also the fact that Mario in Mario sunshine had F.L.U.D.D. which is like a water sprayer thing that could talk that was fine and when Mario had cappy a hat that could talk that was also fine but as soon and Sonic gets a talking sword "eEEEWWwww sO cRinGY"

[@jdawson7877]

@@Mr_Gamer-Random i really wish i had an answer on to why people are so hypocritical about this but i don't know why

[@elmemearana]

@@jdawson7877 because they cannot hold different contrasts.

[@mushroomfusion245]

This is the definition of the phrase “History is written by the victors.”

[@chocov1233]

@@SmellinDSyrup I thought it was the Vietnam Conflict.

[@chocov1233]

That was sarcasm.

[@BlueTyphoon2017]

Well, not really, history is written by the historians in the aftermath years later usually.

[@LupinticDream]

It's funny, because people really do talk about Super Mario Sunshine like that. And of course, Sunshine just so happens to be my favorite... It's as if I can't escape polarizing reception when it comes to my favorite games, even outside of Sonic. lol

[@TheBLUEM64]

and I'm on that boat

[@mistersp3753]

Sunshine was the best 3D Mario. It took what SM 64 had and cleaned up all of the controls and graphics. The FLUDD expanded Mario's mobility even more.

[@gameringly8916]

Whenever someone complains about sunshine there is a very high likely hood that they are just trash at the game

[@andyz6306]

Same. it's honestly one of few Mario games I truly like ngl. Even in a series as constantly praised as the Mario series my favorite game would be the most hated one.

[@TheBLUEM64]

​@@gameringly8916Yeah also the fact that it forces to play until episode 7 of ever level

[@dashhhh8228]

Imagine a time line where people enjoyed both without any biases or IGN doing it's IGN, that would be the perfect timiline

[@Apolemia]

Give me the portal to go there please :(

[@dashhhh8228]

@@Apolemia If only I could do that

[@alternatenican]

nah it's NGI

[@Apolemia]

@@dashhhh8228 lets go abandonning our life and working together on a way to join it lmao

[@jbbajangamer]

IGN is bad until they have an opinion I agree with then they’re good this comment is obviously a joke

[@MagmaPaint]

This may have been a video done in jest, but DAMN do the criticisms lobbed at Sonic at brute force look insanely hypocritical if the script was flipped and these were being launched at Mario. I like both franchises, I just became more into Sonic as time went by, but it really is unfair when Nintendo's golden boy gets a pass on something that Sonic would get made fun of relentlessly for.

[@senflyer-]

"Sonic has too many playstyles! And they gave Shadow a gun?! And Sonic's a werewolf?!" (Tank Mario exists) 🦗

[@r4ls3i7]

@@senflyer- but tank mario isnt an actual gun. shadow has a realistic, edgy gun. mario is just "funi haha block on your head shoots pellets that you can charge up"

[@Squishito]

@@r4ls3i7 Well to be fair there's mostly goofy alien laser guns, Eggman weapons made for his goofy smiling chub robots, and there's even a Billy Hatcher egg gun. Shadow's weapons weren't all edgelord real guns, only the GUN weapons were.

[@Vulnresati]

A lot of these things aren't that true for Mario. Saying ANY of Mario's 3D games have nearly as many bugs as Sonic's is wrong. Games like Mario is Missing, Mario's Time Machine, and Hotel Mario aren't developed by Nintendo, and have the same amount of relevancy as Sonic Schoolhouse. A lot of things he said were true to some level, but it was all exaggerated so that it could be compared to Sonic. Like, Mario fans don't say "the classic games" and "the dark Era" because the only truly bad Mario games released around the same time as the best ones, Mario is Missing and Mario's Time Machine releasing a little after Super Mario World.

[@MagmaPaint]

@@Vulnresati The point of the video, albeit done jokingly, was to imagine if people were needlessly aggressive toward Mario the way they are when criticizing Sonic. Off the top of my head: -If a Mario game came out that was borderline unplayable due to bugs and glitches, people would still be more forgiving of it than a Sonic game that has only one or two minor glitches. -Mario gets praised for trying something that shakes up the formula but the second a Sonic game does the same thing even years before Nintendo does, it gets derided into oblivion because regardless of quality Sonic apparently isn't supposed to deviate from running loops and fighting the Death Egg Robot ever. -I don't see anyone getting wrapped around the axle over Mario's change in design over the years but there are people still screaming bloody murder over Sonic's eye color. -Imagine if someone said that Mario's cast of characters was better back when it was just Mario, Peach, and Bowser, that adding characters like Luigi, Daisy, Wario, Yoshi, Waluigi, Professor E. Gad, and Fawful was the detriment of the series and that they should never have become playable anywhere and needed to be removed from the franchise because they hold Mario back. You would look at them like they had their head screwed on backwards. So why, then, is "Sonic's stupid friends" legitimized by the general public with no pushback when this criticism would get you ostracized if you applied it to Mario? Do you see what I'm getting at?

[@CAVFIFTEEN]

"At least Sonic knows it's a dumb game for babies" *While showing a scene from Sonic Colors* Me: That one just hurts

[@momckm]

Oh the Sega Octopus... Released in 2006... damn that was my childhood... also there Sega Dolphin, Sega Dreamcast 2, Sega 3Dolphin, and now Sega Spartan.

[@hiddenflare6169]

@@momckm Don't forget the upcoming console, Sega Eldritch.

[@momckm]

The hype is off the charts

[@colingznetworkplus4618]

Like he can’t show footage from one of the good sonic games

[@MorfsPrower]

Don't forget the coveted SEGA Neptune. The only console with a soul.

[@thespookymage6294]

As a side note, I feel like if you ever opened a merch store there should be a T-shirt saying, "Sonic would NEVER do this."

[@iimaa]

WHAT THE HELL GAME DESIGNERS???

[@acGyakushu_and_Shin]

At least Paramount's Mario movie was decent. They actually delayed the movie to fix Mario's design, and Jack Black's performance as Bowser was phenomenal. Only part I didn't like was when Mario flossed after defeating a Goomba. That was completely unnecessary. Other than that, I can't wait to see Luigi and Donkey Kong in the sequel. I am a bit concerned about Illumimation's Sonic movie though. The fact that Ryan Drummond is in the movie but he isn't playing Sonic makes absolutely no sense.

[@DarnHooligan]

this comment is great honestly

[@mr.heghog858]

hey uh banana slamma

[@jamcharcoakley1428]

@MoloTurbo u wrong bru

[@AmusedAnimatorYt]

@@MoloTurbo did you read the comment it said Ryan Drummond

[@AmusedAnimatorYt]

@@MoloTurbo no you because lying is no good

[@mistersp3753]

You could fill an Olympic sized swimming pool with that sarcasm. Too bad Sonic can't swim.

[@darkhound_inc]

Cutting a bit too deep

[@NIntender684]

Sonic would never do that

[@charliekahn4205]

He can in Colors

[@thespookymage6294]

Why is mario kart a thing? Obviously mario is fast enough on his feet to run without the kart, literally unplayable.

[@alternatenican]

why can't it be like mario K where mario raced on his feet?

[@bowmaj8666]

"Mario shouldn't be in a Kart! He should be rescuing Princess Toadstool (and NO, I'm not calling her Princess Peach! She was always called Toadstool in the old games, the newer games just got it wrong! If you call her Peach, then you aren't a TRUE Mario fan!) And why is Mario kart racing with his enemies? That just makes no sense! The people who made this game have no idea what a Mario game should be like!" All based on actual things people say about Sonic! It's ridiculous!

[@justcallmekai1554]

Right like come on guys. Even though in game, there's a perfectly justified reason why Mario is in a Kart. He doesnt want to blow away the competition away and cheat.

[@NewSoupWiiHii]

@@bowmaj8666 she was always called peach in japan, so im the true mario fan here

[@bowmaj8666]

@@NewSoupWiiHii And Eggman was always called Eggman in Japan, but try explaining that to all the "true Sonic fans" who insist that his name is Robotnik!

[@jjmartin6422]

My second job ever was plumbing. THAT was playing Mario without the gimmicks. Game sucked, but the graphics were the best I'd ever seen.

[@thatonezekrom8725]

I swear the “sonic would never do this” is just one clip that’s used multiple times If it is, it’s somehow really fitting

[@SamProcrastinates]

This video is from another dimension but fell into our dimension.

[@sonickidgaming]

so we in nintendo dimensions when sega go 3 party

[@kerfufflenubs3785]

That wasn’t the point… the point was people are unfair to sonic…

[@llewop]

its so painful how acurate this is oh my god

[@sakurasoma6347]

Sonic preschool fun

[@colingznetworkplus4618]

Sonic Adventure has kind of aged like milk though there’s no denying that

[@bagelgod946]

The paper Mario and sonic community’s has a surprising amount of parrels. Specifically the old stuff (dark age, classic, and the first three paper Mario games) vs new stuff (meta era and the new paper Mario games) and all the drama that follows this topics.

[@thepowerisyetunknown7710]

I know right? I watched Arlo talk about it and tried changing the sentences to Sonic and it fit like a glove. Incidentally, the only Mario games that I like are the RPGs so I'm out of luck either way lol.

[@bagelgod946]

@@thepowerisyetunknown7710 Inenjoy pretty much every aspect of Mario but the rpgs were my favorites. The first paper Mario is my favourite after all, And I really miss the Mario and Luigi series.

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

So does nearly every community! Many series have went through a transition era where they give up the core to either adapt, appeal (Sonic), or be different for the sake of being different (Paper Mario) Final Fantasy went through some major shifts, Zelda has went through some major shifts, and in turn the core elements people loved were lost which causes a divide. It is normal when you abandon one thing for another while carrying the same name or identity.

[@bagelgod946]

@@Buglin_Burger7878 maybe I don’t know anything about final fantasy but I think it did Zelda good. It changed but didn’t feel worse then the stuff that came before it’s just different and now that people have gotten that different thing there wanting more of a mash of the two. I enjoyed the sonic meta era, I think it was a good idea to pull things back and be more simple with colors and generations. But then they did a lot of weird things like lost world and boom and forces was just disappointing. Mania was amazing though. I think it is normal and I do thinks series should change over time just look at Kirby people have wanted a 3D game forever and now we’re finally getting one. Hell most series has already gone through a change like this like games such as Mario 64 or ocarina of time

[@blitz4506]

And yet critics act like the paper Mario games are always perfectly fine

[@RubyofBlue]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I've had this same sentiment for a long time, it's so goofy the double standards some people hold, how they feel like they have carte blanche to practically lie about certain games to make em look bad, cuz it's trendy to do so. And it's insane how a simple video like this just blows up the whole facade. YOU EVEN DID THE THING IN INTENTIONALLY JUMPING INTO A PIT AS A WAY OF SOMEHOW MAKING THE GAME LOOK WORSE!! ???? 1:53 WHY IS THIS SO COMMON IN THOSE TYPES OF VIDEOS

[@ufazig]

The dishonest gameplay is the most annoying thing to me. A lot of people say that SA1 and 2 are "full of glitches" and "have glitches everywhere". That and the "garbage controls and horrible camera". All of that is objectively false. Yeah, if you mash the controller like a 2 years old baby, then surely you'll face some issues. Too bad the game was designed for people with higher IQ than the average 5 years old kid. Dishonest criticism is garbage and to this day it still impacts the franchise.

[@ctpp64]

yeah its weird how games like super paper mario and mario galaxy get praised for having more serious stories, when that same sorta stuff gets called "edgy" when sonic does it

[@churro1201]

@@ufazig everytime they say that its always on the emerald coast loop when they just force sonic to stop in the middle and then mash to clip though the loop something that you shouldn't do when playing the game normally also that glitch doesn't happen on the dreamcast

[@Squishito]

@@churro1201 They always criticize SA1 based on DX. Which is the equivalent of criticizing Sonic 1 based on Sonic Genesis on GBA and saying that it was always a bad game, or doing the same thing with Colours Ultimate. It's disingenuous and shitty, the original games are not the problem and had different directors and teams behind them. Fucking shady as fuck these people.

[@therighttrousers343]

@@churro1201 I have just seen someone do that genuinely accidentally in a livestream a few hours ago, from a person of what is in my opinion no discernable bias, so I will say that is a glitch you can get through standard authentic play.

[@Temzy]

Man the Dreamcast 2 was a banger console, that shit was my childhood🔥

[@chaomix]

I know right? Loved Jet Set Radio 3.

[@toaztyjam]

@@chaomix sonic adventure 3 is sooo good

[@sling-b]

@@toaztyjam no that still never happened

[@sicuzzl1512]

@@toaztyjam Yeah, SA3 still never happened, you must be confused with Sonic Heroes as in America during the first 3 months of its launch, SEGA renamed it Sonic Adventure 3 (to boost more sales),

[@churro1201]

@@sicuzzl1512 a game doesn't need a number to be a sequel sonic 4 ep 1 will gladly tell you that story about how fans wanted a sonic 4 despite sega releasing it under the name sonic advance

[@darkduckthedarkestduck]

"Man, sonic would never do this" Got me everytime XD

[@Braxton999Adams]

"So in conclusion, I hate fun." You took the words right out of my mouth. I don't get angry so much seeing this stuff, I just pity the people that clearly lead very sad lives.

[@bushytail7326]

I lost it at “treasure hunting and Mech shooting” 😂😂

[@gameringly8916]

It was so cool when Mario made it into Sonic Fighters Brawl but you can really tell he was a last minute rushed character as nearly his entire moveset is just punches and kicks instead of anything original. Fitting for a character who's games are rushed all the time as well.

[@randomguy2938]

Not to mention in the later games his moveset is still punches and kicks, and yet he is so annoying to play against as he is able to stall out opponents with his agility

[@sonicfanboy3375]

Mario had a rough transition in 3d

[@alternatenican]

Mario 64 was not good at all, people r just nostalgia blind.

[@taylord5381]

@@alternatenican The game makes you constantly replay the same levels. Bad game 0/10

[@bowmaj8666]

"Isn't it great that Super Mario MANIA is coming out! Finally they're going back to 2D! Mario hasn't been in a 2D game since 1990.... No, New Super Mario Bros doesn't count!"

[@thatitalianlameguy2235]

@@taylord5381 the controls are slippery, so they added less platforming, and they took 4 games to make one just like the classics, how lame

[@fort2558]

@@thatitalianlameguy2235 BRing back 2d mario and get rid of mario's stupid friends

[@beuwm]

i really love Mario. i wish he whould get as much as attention like sonic. I wish Nintendo didn't lose the console wars.

[@yarc9]

Nintendo defeated sega

[@alternatenican]

yeah, this videos just hating on mario everybody knows how unpolished yet fun EA games are, they don't also force you for money. Just like mario galaxy, this video's just negative. Nintendo deserved not to lose the console wars

[@yarc9]

@@alternatenican sonic fanbase is desperate for attention

[@yarc9]

@@alternatenican mario games don't have much stories to begin with

[@alternatenican]

@@yarc9 yo dude ya know this is a joke?

[@bluw4562]

Its sad people have that mind set for Sonic still. I thought people would learn that you can't judge and hate something you don't know or understand anything about but i guess people enjoy hate more than fact checking

[@iwastoolazytowriteausernam1442]

They do know facts. And they know that sonic games suck

[@bluw4562]

@@iwastoolazytowriteausernam1442 And could you articulate why they all suck in a constructive way then?

[@Lisa-oj7vy]

@@iwastoolazytowriteausernam1442 Why are you so butthurt man? You obviously know nothing about Sonic and couldn't even tell this video is just for entertainment, i really hope you're not a rondom guy with a vendetta against Sonic and you're just a troll because if you paid attention to the top of the comments section you could of seen this video is a joke

[@Ghost-ul8eu]

As someone who grew up with alot of the Sonic games most of them haven't aged well at all.The classic trilogy is still good,and some of the more modern 2D games are good to like rush adventure and mania. As for the 3D games they were never really that great,Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 have aged very poorly most of the gameplay doesn't hold up.Sonic Heroes isn't fun,same with Shadow The Hedgehog,06,Sonic Unleashed etc.The only 3D games I like are Colors and Generations.The music is very good in the 3D games,but if it doesn't have good gameplay then it doesn't matter.Sorry it's how I feel I like Sonic as a character,but most of his games aren't fun im sorry :/

[@bluw4562]

@@Ghost-ul8euIts fine man you don't have to say sorry. For me i enjoyed alot of the games 3d or not even though there not perfect like sa1 has janky cutscene and sa2 can have weird sound mixing at times for example but the flaws in the games are so minor or nitpicky that it doesn't away the fun for me if you compare games older or during the same time they kinda have the same problems other games do. My point is that a game can be good even if it has flaws or its not 10/10, people when revisit or try out Sonic games for the first time go in having a negative perspective or some kind of bias that's why people trying to get in to the franchise always have trouble enjoying it. Thats why critics are other people always say something toxic to say because they can't construct why they feel that way. At the end of the day everyone's aloud to have an opinion. If you weren't aloud to express yourself you're opinion wouldn't be any special than mine or Chaomix's, i just don't like the people who hate just to hate can't give a good reason why they feel that why. Therefore you respect my opinion i respect yours wish more people thought that way.

[@shadowthehedgehog3113]

Don't forget that edgy spinoff game "Luigi's Mansion". Seriously-giving Luigi a vacuum cleaner? That just doesn't belong in a Mario game.

[@stopcallingmechrispratt]

Mario odyssey is so bad that it’s makes hotel mario feel like a godly game

[@mredbadger]

Critics would totally heap praise on New Super Mario Bros U saying it harkens back to the good old 16bit days while pretending it wasn’t the millionth 2D Mario that was full of references to the classics. And they’d fill that review with snarky remarks about 64 and Sunshine being shit

[@Ronan34753]

What do you mean? Those 3D Mario games are sh*t, they're objectively badly designed games. They make me run around aimlessly trying to collect stars with crappy controls and a broken camera system. Don't get me started on the glitches... But I will say, Paper Mario Colour Splash is the first good 3D Mario game, and they should continue with that direction instead of 64 & Sunshite. I can now say Mario has found his footing in 3D, with Colour Splash. Keeping it real, at IGN.

[@iwastoolazytowriteausernam1442]

@Ronplay ? Mario's 3d games are actually good. Unlike sonics

[@Ronan34753]

@@iwastoolazytowriteausernam1442 Even when I was joking, you had to comment that... Mario fans are so fragile. XD

[@thisisasupersayin376]

Unironically, I'd rather replay any stage in Adventure 2 than in Mario 64. As much as I hate Death Chamber/Egg Quarters (And GOD do I hate them), 64 just doesn't have a lot going for it once you get all the stars.

[@Ronan34753]

@@thisisasupersayin376 I get what you mean. I think part of Sonic Adventure 2's charm is replaying the stages and getting better and better, completing it in different ways. While Mario 64 does have a speedrunning scene, M64 wasn't designed with that in mind, while SA2 was (and that's not even counting finding items for your chao). I feel bad since I've just been whaling on Mario in this comment thread. I guess 64 is a game I play every few years or so, after not playing for a while.

[@BroToastR]

This is that cybershell clip but expanded upon and I love it

[@boombirdking2118]

“Imagine being a hardcore Mario fan years after its apparent he lost compared to Sonic”

[@thelastwindwaker7948]

Remember that time Mario was kissed by a princess? How embarrassing was that?

[@reidsewing6436]

(I Feel Like You Should Replace It With An Animal) Sonic Rescues Animals Since 1991. Mario Has Troubled Plots Since 2004.

[@superdreadnoughtg6992]

Technically he did have at least 2 animal-like people kiss him before (birdo and mrs. mowz)

[@thelastwindwaker7948]

​@@superdreadnoughtg6992 And Bowser in Mario RPG.

[@Zykico]

I should show this to a hardcore Mario fan without context.

[@anonymusmysterious5401]

I mean... If you show it to a person somewhat smart, he'll understand that is a joke and he'll understand that's the reverse of everything he's saying... If you show it to a no brainer... Well, I think you could know what's gonna happen

[@TheRealSlaky]

@@anonymusmysterious5401 might as well get my war hat 🪖

[@lauralima3150]

This happened to me

[@thelancerfromtimeline1009]

They would instantly know

[@sonichighway207]

Yeah, it seems that many people love to speak ill of Sonic. I doubt if they talk about Mario. Mario can have a game so buggy but so buggy, people don't even complain. If it was Sonic? A Sonic game can have quite a few bugs, and they say "Oh, this game is really bad...", "Oh, this game is rubbish..." (This is my opinion)

[@StabMyFairies]

real, as pessoas focam de mais no que Sonic fez errado em vez do que fez certo, claro, houveram vários erros e tem uns jogos bugados e com histórias meio ridículas, mas acho que é completamente injusto comparar a franquia de Sonic com a de Mario, mesmo que os dois sejam plataforma, a maior dificuldade em implementar um jogo de sonic é a velocidade dele, lógico que um personagem rápido vai dar trabalho pra trabalhar em volta, mas ninguém liga porque o que lucra é falar mal do blue blur :') nunca curti muito mario, mas eu aprecio a ousadia e a tentiva com as histórias de sonic, enquanto mario sempre se sentiu a mesma coisa pra mim, Sonic sempre apresentava algo novo em relação a história, e tentava alguma coisa nova anyway, só fiquei animado de ver um br aqui bahahah, resumindo, concordo com seu comentário

[@sonichighway207]

@@StabMyFairies Pois é né, eu também concordo com você

[@cookiesontoast9981]

I've always preferred Sonic my whole life. And you are right.

[@lukas2.036]

um ótimo exemplo disso foi o sonic forces, sim, o jogo foi decepcionante, mas alguns fãs diziam que o jogo era pior que o sonic 2006 e boom, o que eu acho um exagero (ao contrario desses 2 o forces ainda é jogavel) sem contar que alguns nem jogavam o jogo, só formavam suas opniões através de reviews que viam na internet a great example of this was sonic forces, yes the game was disappointing, but some fans said the game was worse than sonic 2006 and boom, which I think is an exaggeration (unlike these 2 forces is still playable) and some of them didn't even play the game, they only formed their opinions through reviews they saw on the internet

[@Zeroes128]

yeah, when Sonic left the Dreamcast all the critics started to hate him.

[@twoforfive9228]

Showing Jeffy characters when talking about how many friends Mario has will never not be funny.

[@MrFox-oj7vg]

That part killed me

[@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache]

I died watching that, especially because I remember watching SML 10 years ago.

[@KazShiro]

@@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache Too bad youtube and Nintendo neutered the hell outta him

[@Number1Tailsfan]

*SML

[@supershadixboom4040]

I don't get how Mario is still around

[@eastbeast1379]

*Meanwhile in a alternate IGN timeline* Mario was never good. Too much water!

[@alsocouldnotthinkofahandle]

Actually, it would fit more if they complained about “too much fire”

[@Kateeeee]

This is an alternate universe

[@nyhtfall1969]

Man mario had rocky transition into 3D also it aged like milk emphasis on aged like milk i was dying of laughter watching this

[@alternatenican]

Yeah me too

[@elmemearana]

Man, I miss Mario Adventure, being honest.

[@ilvanasgobero8096]

POV: you're looking for someone who didn't get the joke

[@TripleJump]

The Cat Mario sections absolutely suck. His moveset is fine (I like the cat swipe/dive) but the way they force you to play as him in awkward platforming combat levels for over 30 minutes at a time when I just want to play a normal fun Mario level... that's probably why 3D World is my least favourite Mario. The Cat levels never end. I prefer the Wii/PS2 version where it was more tolerable. It also make Star Medal hunting optional and simplified the EXP system. You should never have to backtrack or grind in a Mario game In fact, forcing irrelevant and inferior gameplay styles between standard Mario platforming has been a recurring issue in these games. There was the boring Fluzzard hanggliding section (which you can beat without touching the controller) in Galaxy, the blue-coin hunting levels in Sunshine (with a broken radar) and even the 2D retro pipe sections in Odyssey were less fun than the 3D gameplay. Even that one Mario fangame (the one everyone hates) had sections like these. It's so frustrating! Why can't Nintendo just make a good Mario game that isn't bogged down with filler? 3D Land (and its remake, 3D Land Ultimate) got this right, so why can't Odyssey?

[@alternatenican]

New Super Mario Bros was a landmark though but it seems like they went back to making mediocre 3d mario games. Mario Origins making me hopeful though

[@TripleJump]

@@alternatenican NSMB was a total return to form, I agree. But you're kidding yourself if you think Mario Origins is anything but a straight port of Super Mario All-Stars. Its cool that they're including Mario 3 (which wasn't on NES Online because Madonna composed the World 3 theme uncredited and Nintendo doesn't have the rights), but a collection game isn't gonna be the same as a brand new game. If only they could make a NSMB2...

[@Squishito]

@@kevin_kevinson wow, now that's a controversial opinion!! what were they thinking

[@King_Cisco]

That Mario Sunshine parody isn't too far from it's public perception.

[@alexanderkosten7611]

Because it is, in fact, a rushed mess of a game. No sarcasm or jokes here, Sunshine is a glitchy mess with one of the worst level structures I've ever seen. If you don't get 49 specific Shines, then you simply can't finish the game. Get stuck on even ONE of those 49? No final level for you! Why even HAVE Shine Sprites if your total is completely irrelevant to doing the endgame?! None of the other 3D Marios, not even 3D Land/World, bottleneck you so hard, and with so many shoddy gimmick levels. No-Fludd stages where the terrible way Mario's air control works becomes more of a struggle than any of the game's pathetic bosses, races involving either Bloopers or El Piantissimo where death is the consequence for the smallest of failures, the weird swimming sections in Noki Bay, and my personal decade-long roadblock, "Scrubbing Sirena Beach", AKA "Difficulty by Region" with a side order of "these controls were NOT designed for this"! Honestly, I would rather play Sonic 06. At least hardly anyone tries to pretend that game is anything more than what it is.

[@darkestccino5405]

Mario Galaxy having motion controls implies that in this universe, it was Sega who invented motion controls for gaming. We have lore.

[@Ronan34753]

I mean, Sega did experiment a lot with motion controls before Nintendo. I think even the Dreamcast had a peripheral that was similar to the Wii remote. Nintendo tends to take things and make it mainstream from what I've seen.

[@hazelcrisp]

@@Ronan34753 Sounds like Samsung and Apple. Samsung (or any other brand that uses Android) does something first and then Apple does it and makes it mainstream and makes people think they invented it.

[@Ronan34753]

@@hazelcrisp Do they? I guess it wouldn't surprise me, knowing how most Apple fans tend to be. Now that I think on it. They're kind of like Nintendo and it's fans.

[@ItsCharlesYT]

So, in this alternate universe, Nintendo played around with motion controls, but it was Sega who made it mainstream. Huh.

[@HEXlDEClMAL]

“The Mario games are actually really good, even if they were extremely derivative of the Sonic Franchise. Unfortunately Mario is just never able to capture the limelight like Sonic and was doomed to remain number 2 forever, stuck in Sonic’s shadow.” -Cybershell

[@thisisasupersayin376]

Who's Cybershell? That quote is from Physicalpeel

[@megamike15]

cybershell does not exist in the universe where sonic wand mario switched.

[@anonymusmysterious5401]

@@megamike15 I guess he would exist. But as the "Mario Lore master"

[@Unknownslenderman]

Love the Dreamcast 2 joke, but there's a missed opportunity to call it a Sega Uranus Also I can confirm I've heard every single one of these and a couple more

[@miguelsantamaria7218]

Wouldn't it have been the Sega Neptune?

[@Tasteful_Milk]

Wouldn’t it have been just a Dreamcast since that’s Sega’s GameCube?

[@SheepStar8]

@@Tasteful_Milk Nah, it would absolutely be the Sega Sphere.

[@mr.werb15md90]

I'm now actually curious about this alternate reality... what would a modern Mario show look like? would Mario X there be somewhat more popular there than Sonic X here? would SEGA be strict on fan games? would Sonic Mania even exist? the fact that the only change was the war's victor despite the original games being the same just poses so many questions.

[@marlo176]

Mario boom

[@astr0_z0mb13]

@@marlo176 even just the idea of that is traumatic

[@flarestriker2005]

Mario Prime

[@squarebegooderlife844]

SoA was actually strict with fan games back when they still had the San Francisco office building, they only accepted fangames when the team was shrunked and they became less corporate. But if we are talking about Sega and Nintendo switching places(meaning Sega never lost their San Francisco studio), then yes, they would be very strict.

[@mr.werb15md90]

@@squarebegooderlife844 oooooo, fascinating

[@momckm]

Sonic: Has friends that help and support him on his adventures Mario: Has USELESS friend who do nothing but cowar and act too ridiculous (Especially Luigi) P.S They NEVER should've changed the color of Mario's Overalls

[@momckm]

And they NEVER should've changed the color of Yoshi's legs

[@anonymusmysterious5401]

@@momckm like. Yeah. Can you believe them? They changed Yoshi's legs from the green that we all recognize to an awful white leg colors.

[@momckm]

Also Luigi is a wussy clumsy COWARD. And Daisy is too damn annoying...

[@momckm]

And in Super Mario Bros. 360 (2007) Mario has a sword...(In the final boss) Like WHY does Mario need a sword?!

[@momckm]

And HOLY JESUS! There were SO MANY GLITCHES that I almost shot myself. Seriously my mom had to grab the gun.

[@JackAttackgamingXD]

You thought you had it bad well Mario's Time Machine killed 3 generations of my family

[@VongolaXZax]

It's funny how he's doing this, right after the Mario movie cast was just revealed not too long ago lol.

[@alternatenican]

"Vin Diesel as Sonic?"

[@AmazingJuniorBros]

“Aw man why did they give mario a water machine, sonic would never do this”

[@klaus.sfc01official30]

I mean they do in some aspects. Sonic fans: it's greenhill, chemical plant and sky Sanctuary AGAIN!? Mario fans: it's a grassworld, a desert world, a water world, a snow world, a jungle world, a mountain world, a cloud world and a lava world AGAIN!?

[@zeroxenoverse9251]

True but somehow not to Sonic franchise's extent or sometimes not addressed(At least before Wonder I guess).

[@thepowerisyetunknown7710]

I just love that we gen Z fans are finally able to speak our mind against the older guys that want nothing but no plot classic Sonic stuff. Like I get you don't like having characters with arcs and storytelling in games, but why ruin it for us who do?!?

[@JustSiouxMe]

Sonic has always had a story. S3k's is actually pretty epic for a 16 bit platformer. Most of the criticisms Ive seen have been more about the quality of the storytelling being a bit lacking in recent years. I don't think people wanting a game thats well made and isnt really janky means they want there to be no story.

[@aaronsarchive82]

I'm one of those older guys you speak of and I'm a fan of modern sonic as well. Some of us get it, some of us resist change.

[@SonicEndouRed]

thank youu! when I bring up that only boomers could like the garbage that is classic Sonic everybody starts saying that it's not a no brain game at least and other dumb shit,when in reality they're drowning in nostalgia

[@id-f8679]

@@SonicEndouRed I am 14 and I like Classic Sonic games.

[@pkmntrainerred4247]

@@SonicEndouRed I dont get your classic Sonic hate, theyre legit fun games. Ofc that doesnt discredit the good in the other Sonic games. I have feeling you're bashing on clasic Sonic because of all the "Classic era was the best man, new games suck. Reject modern return to classic" fans and SEGA, in response, nostalgia pandering *hard* , but if you genuinely hate em, you do you. (And FYI Im a gen Z, not a boomer)

[@ChaddyFantome]

This video is actually something i always wanted to make myself. 10/10 lmao. Gonna share this with everyone.

[@bennascar2856]

When we FINALLY got the first REAL 2D Mario ever since Mario World with New Super Mario Bros Wii, it lacked the charm and soul that made the originals so great. The physics were garbage, the level aesthetics are soulless plastic copies of previous levels from the classics, and why does Mario need all these new moves now??? If they REALLY wanted to go back to basics, they should've kept it at jumping and throwing fireballs. These new moves streamline the level design into complete monotony and boredom. Sonic would N E V E R do this.

[@ExplodingWatermelons]

2D Mario never left. You could've always just played the games on the game gear X and the game gear Z, but I assume you thought they weren't "classic" enough or something stupid like that.

[@alsocouldnotthinkofahandle]

To be fair, new super Mario bros is way better than Sonic 4, and I’m saying that as a hardcore fan who grew up with Sonic 4.

[@DrDeez-do9zo]

Timetravler: steps on a mushroom The timeline:

[@user-nm5kt2mb4x]

IGN is the true villain of the sonic franchise

[@kerfufflenubs3785]

…….. more like half of the sonic fan base and majority of sonic KZbinrs, and all game review KZbinrs… because it’s sonic… Fuck him right? Makes NO sense.

[@rayjenboi]

Mario should have been missing

[@El_Mince]

I know this is a joke, but SM64 actually did age kind of terribly

[@Jucei.]

SA1 did too, but I enjoy both of them, although I find 64 to be frustrating, and SA1 has too many cinematic sections.

[@matt6799]

@@Jucei. 64 and Adventure have all their problems with age, the only difference is that Adventure now didn't control like shit

[@anonymusmysterious5401]

Yeah. A kind which is first for its kind is almost impossible to age very good. Like the first Super Mario Bros. It was the best thing when it came out for how revolutionary it was, but when time advances, they just get surpassed. I still love both this games but I cannot deny that they haven't aged the best

[@lady_zora]

This is the greatest jab in the Game Community! Seriously, I'm just so tired of the disrespect that Sonic gets, SEGA just going along with that disrespect, and just those people continuously bringing up 06. We get it, guys. You don't like nor even know what Sonic is. Go and enjoy your Mario, Zelda, or what ever else you play. No one is needlessly bashing you into the ground for liking those franchises. Just leave us and our blue talking "rat" alone.

[@Mr.Feather130]

But by Kirby in terms of Lore,characters,and unique gimmicks,Kirby>Mario,Sonic,And Zelda

[@megamike15]

man remember when nintendo just made an evil mario and he would go on to replace mario's whole 2d series till like 2006? man sega would never do that.

[@VongolaXZax]

The only Mario character I consider cool, is Luigi. Underrated underdog.

[@alternatenican]

nah Metal Mario is the true rival to Mario, that Shadow Mario trash thing is horrible and edgy, i didn't like how some stupid dumbasses in the mario fanbase led to nintendo giving him a spin-off!

[@modmaker7617]

Na Watails & Wanic are way better.

[@marlo176]

@@alternatenican what about the cosmic clone

[@wourydiallo1445]

Poeple still think luigi is underrated ? Dude everyone loves him (for good reasons but I'm still sick of poeple saying he's underrated )

[@Mr.Feather130]

But what about W A R I O?!

[@Nov-5062]

The painful gameplay footage in the background is the cherry on top.

[@Joshi_ForReal]

2:40 pov: IGN Great vid btw,Dreamcast 2 is such a good console

[@RealBathanielNandy]

Not accurate, the video is supposed to be at LEAST 2 hours long

[@stopcallingmechrispratt]

Senpai

[@TheRealJochen]

No bathaniel, it needs to be at least five years long

[@furious_taylor7719]

@@TheRealJochen no it needs to be 69 years long

[@RealHyperHedgehog]

Hi Bathaniel.

[@khalidarbyyt9155]

the mario fans coming in to cancel chaomix

[@zephyr7237]

Great video, and you’re right, Mario was never good. Go play Luigi’s Mansion instead

[@alternatenican]

dude, Luigi is mario's very STUPID friend

[@shadowthehedgehog3113]

Luigi's Mansion was just trying to hard to be edgy and scary. Seriously, giving Luigi a vacuum cleaner? That just doesn't belong in a Mario game.

[@Bluestone775]

Tails homeless shelter solos

[@kimi1522]

Man they really should've kept Mario's hotdog shoes (I really couldn't come up with a Mario equivalent for that, his design has barely changed in decades.)

[@kuribirdie]

Man, Sonic would never do this.

[@yarc9]

All sonic does it run fast

[@gamestar6479]

@@yarc9 all mario does is eat shrooms

[@jennisgurung2760]

@@yarc9 All Mario does is save the princess.

[@ilikechips482]

@Game * Star 64 all sonic does is collect rings

[@ilikechips482]

@Jennis Gurung all sonic does is stop a fat scientist

[@ChuckE.CheesesIllinois]

Dang, why did Mario have 3 voices in United States? I don't like Chris Pratt, Cpt. Lou is my Favorite Mario

[@alternatenican]

nothing will beat the original mario voice by charles martinet. Man does chris pratt sound like an older mario, i don't like it at all. But i mean stupid ben schwartz is voicing the best thing ever, THE sonic

[@lukas2.036]

for mario fans, for a game to be considered bad it has to be really bad (like hotel mario and mario is missing) while for sonic fans all it takes is for a game to have a simple imperceptible flaw and they already crucify the game as if it were the worst thing in the world (I'm not trying to start a war, it's just an outburst)

[@darealstar4196]

IKR OMFG

[@anthonyyawtwumasimensah197]

True.

[@anonymusmysterious5401]

Does that mean that Mario fans are more forgiving to Mario than Sonic fans are for Sonic?

[@markdrake3967]

@@anonymusmysterious5401 yes.

[@jondrawz]

This video does bring up a good point though. There are some flaws that both mario and sonic share, but for some reason we brush it off when it comes to mario and go totally berserk on sonic.

[@bomberthehedgefox3751]

Man, I loved the Luma garden in Super Mario Adventure 2, they are so cute, and it feels so good to take care of them, I always spent more time in the Luma garden instead of playing the game I wish nintendo would bring that back to recent games. Too bad that since super Mario 3D world, Nintendo has replaced them with fairies

[@geoffabbythomas7293]

luma garden that is PERFECT no joke really good

[@Mr.Feather130]

Now I want luma garden to become a thing in Mario Galaxy 3

[@thatonedude2159]

Modern Mario doesn't compare to Classic Mario smh

[@Mario_Mario1985]

waaaahhh!

[@Modtro64]

Hey I'm the original creator of that "Dreamcast 2" mock up at 2:30. Loved the video, very funny.

[@rei6078]

The interesting AU where the roles of Nintendo and Sega are flipped and Nintendo stopped making consoles after the Gamecube and Sega released the Sega Cosmos in 2017. Weird au but fascinating

[@brannycedeno6823]

You know you're a true Sonic fan (and also a Mario fan) when you get all the jokes in this video.

[@sonichighway207]

Mario and Sonic are one of my favorite game franchises (I like Sonic more). Great video Chaomix and keep up your beautiful work and effort! Congrats!!!

[@bobbesto]

Br encontrado

[@sonichighway207]

@@bobbesto Você está totalmente correto! ;)

[@jamiegioca9448]

Qualquer dia, eu queria divulgar o canal dele (mas acho q ele num precisa)

[@RavenclawNimbus]

I can tell you like Sonic more! XD

[@daisukegori2112]

Mario is a simp. He chases Peach. Sonic is an Alpha, Amy chasss him

[@mediamuncher6982]

Mario had a rough transition into 3D.

[@gay_bagel]

Nice pfp

[@mediamuncher6982]

@@gay_bagel thx u 😂

[@MegaGlassguy]

But remember! There is absolutely NO bias against Mario here! And if you disagree, you just can't accept that the series only has bad games.

[@lajbartek360]

"The game has so many levels and i'm not good at them". IGN is strong in this timeline

[@ChummyJr5991]

I find it ironic how people want video games to change and evolve, but will crap on Sonic games for trying to do something new.

[@bowsersex]

When Miyamoto was asked about stories in Mario games, specially about the lack of story in Super Mario Galaxy 2, he said, “Well, I put a stop to that at the beginning this time.” And I can’t say how happy I was when he said that. FINALLY Nintendo was listening to what game journalists had to say on this. Mario games should NOT have story in them. I hate story. It’s annoying when they show me cutscenes and have me read text dialogue. It’s so confusing, it makes me think I’m watching a movie or reading a book?? When I thought I was playing VIDEO GAME. I don’t want to know about Mario and his friends and their thoughts and feelings and the world they live in, I want to JUMP and HIT BLOCKS. It’s about time Nintendo listened to the valid criticism that these “games” should not be interrupted by ANY type of story telling at all. I mean these are CHILDREN’S games, and children hate stories and characters. By the way, before any of you CRINGE Mario fans say anything, yes, I do think the same goes for the Paper Mario spin off series. Just because the game was originally called “Mario Story” doesn’t mean it should actually have story in it. I don’t want to read text dialogue that builds the world around Mario and the people who live in that world, I just want Mario to be two dimensional and jump and hit blocks with NO purpose and none of these “partners” or dumb NPCs. I HATE reading too. Like what is this an RPG? Mario is a PLATFORMER, NOT an RPG. And in terms of tone, by the third game it was just getting completely out of hand. Why is Luigi evil? Why is an evil clown committing murder suicide on Luigi? Why is an apocalypse happening? What is even HAPPENING anymore? This was just getting CRAZY. So glad they eventually returned to their roots with that series and just made the gameplay extremely simple and got rid of any story.

[@romarirome9592]

Yeah stories in Mario games are SOOOO cringe! It's only about 2d and jumping and no personality whatsoever that'll make the games truly 10/10.

[@mredbadger]

I hate it when games take pride in their beloved characters and expect me to empathise with their struggles for I do not have any emotions besides the dopamine rush when the funny Italy man says yippee yahoo

[@thatitalianlameguy2235]

also paper mario ttyd had TRANS RIGHTS? I DON'T WANT *POLITICS* IN MY JUMP GAME!

[@thisisasupersayin376]

@@mredbadger ok this is my favorite comment on this video

[@thebestdoggo3673]

I don't want good stories or complex and Charming characters in a video game. Were playing Mario Galaxy not going to the cinema.

[@MegaSombra]

Missed opportunity to do a bit saying that New Super Mario Bros featuring world 1-1 from SMB 2 is the only other good 2d Mario game besides SMB3 That would've been the icing on the cake😂👌

[@TailsGuy72]

This is absolutely cursed.

[@MarkOfAHero]

This was a beautiful video 🤣❤️

[@PaigePlayz_]

This is the first REAL evidence of a multiverse!

[@nmgarthouse1013]

Dude! I love the thumbnail art on this. Your art is fire!!!

[@LollinoDamb64]

"I want a 3D mario game like the 2D one, going from point A to point B!" Completely skips 3D land and 3D world I know it's a joke, but like Lmao

[@Mr.Feather130]

Well 3D World and 3D Land are good but sunshine and galaxy 1&2 are better

[@BonitoJoe111]

Chaomix: And what's worse is these games force you to play as all of Mario's dumb friends. *shows footage of Daisy* _meanwhile_ Daisy: I don't know why, but I think I'll kick chaomix's butt tomorrow...

[@Misaka05050]

tfw you don't want to wait for April 1st.

[@theclown2257]

"it as way too many levels and I'm not good at any of them" fair enough

[@epin_gamer4209]

man, New Super Mario Bros was TERRIBLE. the physics were so bad, it didn't have ANY replayability, it had NO momentum and it didn't feel like any of the older games at all. Sonic would never do this.

[@mattextremex-boiyoutube225]

Time traveler: **Drops his Gameboy Color** The timeline:

[@seankkg]

"Maybe Mario should have stayed missing after this one." Savage.

[@datcoolguyyouknow1233]

Game journalist starter pack: 1. Bad at games 2. Rate them in their opinion and avoid the games mechanics 3. Rate low 4. Sonic bad 5...

[@taylord5381]

6. *PROFIT!!!*