If µ's hadn’t disbanded, Love Live franchise would have died

[@kotoribrashers7034]

Muse was like a baby bird, something so gentle and sweet that grew up and left the nest. But from its birth it allowed the rest of the series to flourish, like a flower, like new baby birds getting ready to take flight. I get why they had the disband but it still hurts, as I and many other fans will say, µ'sic Forever!!!

[@MonarchCorporate]

"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become irrelevant." Muse chose to die a hero

[@SeisakuDesk]

And inspire new generations of school idols in canon and IRL

[@geraldushimawan8269]

​@@SeisakuDesk exactly now they truly became their namesake as the "goddeses" muse that watch their kouhai from the olympus 🥹🫡

[@sabinocobos8926]

I like that line from Dark Knight. That line works well for μ's

[@Yumegipsu]

Great video, and I have always thought personally that ending muse while they were at the top was a good decision, instead of milking it forever. As painful as it was at the time. µ's was untested waters at the start but with Aqours and forward they have clearly planned for greater longevity lol

[@SeisakuDesk]

I bet Aqours will last at least until 2027

[@emmyrip8615]

I feel like as well, the seiyuus wanted to end it as well unlike the other groups that are still motivated to perform and come out with new things.

[@SeisakuDesk]

@@emmyrip8615 You can watch the entire interview of Nanjolno. She brings the general feeling of the staff about Muse's termination

[@Pururin12]

​@@SeisakuDesk is that supposed to be a flex? I bet they can last until 2030 or 2035 and that's not a flex at all. Their fans will literally boycott the whole franchise and spread hate to Liella, Niji and Hasunosora if Aqours will disband so even if they're getting old, Lovelive has no plans of disbanding them anytime soon. They don't do concerts, events and guestings as much as Liella because the higher ups definitely want the fans to be exposed and more accepting to the younger groups. Even with that kind of setup, their fans have nothing good to say and always demand Aqours content while talking shit to Liella imagine their toxicity when Aqours disbands.

[@leecrawford6560]

@@SeisakuDesk who knows, I just love them for them

[@starryairpool1801]

No matter what new love live will be shown, Muse is my number 1 group of love live. it's very hard work and trial to make that today love live still popular. If other love members became the first group to debut, Love Live will not be good as today

[@tokageza2238]

u's paved the way for every Love Live thing to flourish. They haven't overstayed their welcome, and their brief 2020 return was as touching and heartwarming as it should be. They had a job, and they delivered. While u's is the strictly anisong group, it's from Aqours onwards when the Love Live formations become more pop proper (all praise Kanata Okajima) without losing their goofy anisong touch that makes the older tracks so endearing. Man, I love Love Live so much.

[@ErisDeepSeaCocoon]

I got into LL right as µ's disbanded, and for a good year, I was a hardcore µ's fan. I took in everything I could take of them, and pretty much did over the course of a few months. I was pretty heartbroken that this new group I had come to love was gone for good, but I was at least happy that there was a whole back catalog of content to take in. Eventually, I grew out of them and got into Aqours, to which I don't necessarily care for µ's anymore. That being said, I absolutely respect the grind they had to go through. It was an upward battle, and seeing µ's go from a few hundred copies sold on their first single to thousands filling up arenas not even 4 years later. That's massive for them. For that, I will forever respect them for making their way to the top and paving the way for my favorite idol group of all time and the rest of Love Live. Great video.

[@SeisakuDesk]

👏👏

[@gcvrsa]

If I want an instant cry session, all I have to do is watch the finale of the final μ's concert. LoveLive! will probably always be my favorite Japanese media franchise of all time, with BanG Dream! a close second. Both of them are so relatable to my own life, having been about the closest thing you can find in America to a school idol, myself, being part of the music theatre culture at my high school, and then having gone on to perform in a band. I grew up in NYC and went to a high school where admission is by competitive examination only, much like Japanese schools, and like many Japanese students, I rode the subways to school and back. I also just before that school attended a Roman Catholic school where uniforms were the norm, and as a result of this, much of what I see in these franchises feels like my own life.

[@dannykazari]

I appreciated the history lesson and retrospective. I was around at the start of μ's but never got into the franchise until after Sunshine aired. The LL brainrot has gotten to me lately and I've been rewatching every season of the anime.

[@mojabaka]

I actually believe that Muse would've continued for longer if not for Nanjolno's knee and Emitsun's vocal cord.

[@SeisakuDesk]

It actually did. Nanjolno didn't attend most of live events and she always blamed herself (when it's not even her fault). And during Emitsun hiatus, Muse released Mi wa μ'sic no Mi. The franchise continued without them, and it could last like that. But I think people wouldn't have accepted a graduation of Jolno

[@mojabaka]

@@SeisakuDesk Yes exactly. I think it's clear to see that LL staff doesn't want to replace the seiyuus because they're synonymous (is that the correct word lol?) with the characters. You can see it nowadays with how Setsuna's seiyuu Tomoriru is being replaced. They didn't really want to do it and they tried to accommodate her the best they could, but in the end she felt that she couldn't live up to Setsuna and decided on her own to quit. They tried to accommodate Nanjolno the same way by removing her from songs that required too much dancing. I believe that back then there's no way fans would've accepted a recast for Honoka and Eli. They always said that Muse consist of the original 9 people, both in the anime and in real life. I especially remember when Nanjolno cried during 3rd live because she missed the 2nd live and Emitsun said that it's not Muse without it being 9 members. It was definitely better to quit while being on top, instead of recasting roles and slowly getting forgotten. Also as Emitsun said during final live, they never really fully quit. They stopped performing lives and won't release new music, but they will always be Muse and still do activities like voicing the characters in the games and appearing on live streams. Muse will continue to live on as long as there are people who cheer for them. It's always interesting for me to speculate about what would have happend if not for injuries and sickness. I'm happy that Aqours is lucky enough to not have any injuries, so they can continue for longer.

[@geraldushimawan8269]

​@@SeisakuDesk thats why Tomoriru stepping down hit like no other pain🥲 we felt before in LL franchise

[@lolnamelollastname9788]

1:56 What group is that?

[@ferbusgddc]

I love the analogy of comparing Love Live to a goose, it’s hard as an outsider to really wrap your head around the idea that they had to kill the group eventually to keep the series going. As always, this is a super interesting video topic and you presented it all really well!

[@SeisakuDesk]

Thanks for the comment ^^

[@mahiru20ten]

Nijigasaki also dropped the premise of entering the titular Love Live competiton. None of the main 12 idols compete in it.

[@mikeviscusi4260]

It's still dead anyway... Muse and Aquors are the only groups I consider to be from Love Live. All the other girls... well...

[@Yaboyazrael]

The LL lore goes so much deeper than I thought.

[@simunator]

muse walked so aquors could run

[@shad0w844]

This video essay is very interesting and well-made, I'm a love live fan since 2016 but was still able to learn some details here, the buildup and editing are very good. Keep up the good work :)

[@Serasugee]

Wait, who on earth thinks Love Live! looks bad?? Some of the earlier official art is funky but stuff like the Dengeki G's art with the super dark shadows looks so good

[@SeisakuDesk]

I don't like overshadow hairs of Murota-sensei. Feels more realistic but a bit dull

[@dylanf3108]

It was pretty necessary. They would’ve overshadowed any following generation. Love Live would’ve just been Muse and others. With no Muse around there’s room for multiple Idol groups at the same time. Aquors, Niji and others all have room for each other.

[@PopGunnCulture]

Awesome video, always awesome to see such a cool retrospect on Love Live, instant sub brother

[@gcvrsa]

I still think it would be pretty cool if they eventually brought back some of the older members in supporting roles as adults. After all, the lore of LoveLive! is that the earlier groups end up inspiring the new groups, so it would be only natural to have them meet. I've always thought, for instance, that after Aqours, Ruby would go one to have an actual career as a professional idol star, with You as her costume designer. Kanan would of course take over the dive shop, and Mari would take over the hotel business, you know, that sort of thing, in my head canon.

[@SeisakuDesk]

Love Live Multiverse, let's go !

[@tokageza2238]

Pretty Cure has explored that side of adulthood from time to time. It's a book Love Live might consider studying from!

[@eddiec9756]

Dang, he's right. This was a perfect video explaining all the details and goings on to those of the anime only part of the fandom

[@edercabrales2602]

la separación de muse fue lo mejor para ellas, se volvieron leyendas pero después vino aqours a seguir con el legado de muse y manteniendo a flote la franquicia, nijigasaki y liella llegaron para sumarse al legado que dejó muse, las chicas de muse son leyendas y las leyendas nunca mueren, amo a love live y todas sus generaciones en general 🧡💙💛💜

[@SeisakuDesk]

Pero Superstar sigue siendo la mejor ocurrencia :)

[@EverydayToothbrush]

For some reason that synopsis vaguely reminds me of Shine Post (Great show btw I feel like it doesn't get talked about). Although main girl doesn't really hate idols.

[@cdn4767]

In a way it is, Aqours is the current leader of the franchise, led by Anchan, and maybe Aikyan.

[@gcvrsa]

That final idea? Is not very dissimilar from the plot of Shine Post...

[@SeisakuDesk]

I haven't seen Shine Post, so maybe I plagiarized it wthout notice 😛

[@thatonecookie242]

really great video

[@leecrawford6560]

I really enjoyed the video, thank you for spreading the knowledge of our goddesses on how they started from the bottom and retired at a good spot 😄😃

[@psychoterrorV]

I highly agree on the points that you're making about Love Live's concept. What made Muse successful is definitely a shounen-like story with the protagonists, growing up from zero to the legends. However, I can't say I can recommend this video to anyone, since I didn't get exactly what's your opinion on over commercializing of current franchise(Sunshine in the mirror and effordless SIF2 and Link Like). For example, I think that LL will meet some consequences of it's current actions in the future -- like, it's already seriously downgraded on Niji's anime(financially too).

[@rangerambo7449]

What are you talking about? Niji anime is the most succes LL anime highest ranking score in anime nico nico douga beat all Muse, aqours and Liella total score, and Niji anime BD most high sales number in volume 1 and all total volume even beat Kaguya sama love is war BD sales get 1st rank in BD chart sales every volume, even Niji OVA and nijiyon beat Yohane phantom anime sales, and after all that Niji just side project and become themself to get succes

[@lukejohnston4666]

On wings of liberty they returned home... to live eternally skybound they roam!! (Altered Sabaton quote by me)

[@TatsuyaWow]

seem you talk in french so i will whit my natal language lol. Quand je vois Les idol love live quand il parle ou bien quand il font des activité ensemble ses comme sil étais une grosse famille surtout le groupe Aqours. Oui il sont peut pas parfais selon Kpop standard ou bien aussi populaire. mais ses cela leur charm. Merci pour la video. Je l'ai bien aimé . comentaire qui vient du Québec. :)

[@SeisakuDesk]

Une grosse famille avec Eli en papa et Nozomi en maman (ou grand-père/grand-mère avec le temps)

[@Kurosawa_Dia]

TBH, I don't really like muse and Liella. I prefer Aqours and Nijigasaki. I do like Snow halation though

[@davidpurba8433]

For Pete's sake, please stop spreading your baseless assumptions about Muse's state of affairs with LL when you were NOT even there during their era.

[@miadatenshi9903]

What do you mean?

[@Koboreso]

wwere you?

[@maruzura3658]

I think the producers just got sick of paying to keep the porno tape under wraps

[@miadatenshi9903]

WHAT