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[@silencedogood5631]

Nade wanted a piece of paper so Hecz couldn’t do what he did to Nickmerks lol

[@promontag3]

What'd he do?

[@hebercruz5348]

Yeah what happened w nickmercs? The guy in the blazer is def being sly w the way he talks about the situation… leaving some info out to make it seem less bad

[@silencedogood5631]

@@promontag3 Basically 100T was supposed to be 50/50 between them. This was back when 100T basically had just Nadeshot and a T-shirt. Then Dan Gilbert (rocket mortgage guy) invested a few million into the organization. That’s when Nick wanted to get some stuff done in ink. Nade had other ideas which consisted of fully diluting Nick’s ownership to pennies. In other words he gave Nick’s hypothetical share to Dan Gilbert for the initial investment. That’s why Nade doesn’t like to talk about it. Lol

[@silencedogood5631]

@@hebercruz5348 Basically 100T was supposed to be 50/50 between them. This was back when 100T basically had just Nadeshot and a T-shirt. Then Dan Gilbert (rocket mortgage guy) invested a few million into the organization. That’s when Nick wanted to get some stuff done in ink. Nade had other ideas which consisted of fully diluting Nick’s ownership to pennies. In other words he gave Nick’s hypothetical share to Dan Gilbert for the initial investment. That’s why Nade doesn’t like to talk about it. Lol

[@dylusional419]

Nadeshot and nickmercs beef was my favorite time of gaming. Their blackout argument was the turning point tbh

[@RavensTheNextDynasty]

Mboze is the luckiest guy to ever exist. Will never have to get a real job solely for playing 1-2 year on optic.

[@thetankman8]

He owns multiple successful businesses lol thT isn't tied to optic at all and got in stock's with Big T. The guy makes his own money

[@RavensTheNextDynasty]

@@thetankman8 🤣

[@Tyler11_]

@@thetankman8​​⁠ He contributes nothing to optic and he was never a gamer, he was subpar as a pro. Optic set him up for his businesses. Yeah mboze is the definition of “it’s all about who you know” he was friends with successful mfs. Hecz is his daddy.

[@RavensTheNextDynasty]

@@Tyler11_ exactly, I like mboze he is funny but that doesn’t change the fact of what me and you said is entirely true

[@HowisClosstaken]

@@Tyler11_I know this is old af. But saying Boze ain’t shit - you haven’t got a clue. The guy is an SnD god

[@badbilly87]

I get it…but always get a piece of paper. Too easy to get burned without it. Hecz is a stand up guy 🙏.

[@HitManRickyTan]

yea nade ironically literally fucked nickmercs

[@iKayorei]

Learn it from the big dog Nickmercs himself. Made screwed him although probably not intentionally but it’s tough in business

[@kaisaddington4310]

@@iKayoreiyes intentionally he was expecting to dilute nick down to the very bottom.

[@SuprNic]

So that’s where nadeshot learned to give promises and not paper 😂

[@BlackerTheBehrry]

HECZ definitely got him into the ropes

[@deathzmane7188]

hecz laid the bricks for everything nadeshot was able to become, the guy has been a role model to everyone in that organization

[@blancomac11]

Hecz took take scump. Can you say nadeshot did the same for nick?

[@prodKaizoku]

hecz real af he made sure everyone was taken care of when optic sold

[@risanddanny92515]

Tell that to Nickmercs. Always get business deals signed.

[@e30sdontrun86]

That’s just a different way of saying “we’ll give you as much money as we decide.” When having ownership like he was requesting, would pay out wayyyy more. That’s why he “didn’t wanna pursue it.”

[@TheNachoman36]

@@risanddanny92515 That's Nickmercs and Nade tho. Nothing to do with that situation. Maybe Nade followed in Hecz' footsteps. But those are two separate incidents my dude.

[@GlRTHBR00KS]

@@e30sdontrun86 he “didn’t wanna pursue it” because, like they say in this video, it was a completely different time. Optic then vs Optic now are completely different. They weren’t even salaried back then

[@awesomeonesmad2105]

@@risanddanny92515I would but no one is talking about his irrelevant ass anymore lol

[@patrick2099_]

It’s on the optic gaming channel for those asking. Scump in depth about retirement was the title more or less.

[@DylGonZo]

Glad to hear Boze was taken care of. 💚

[@shaggysmokes5193]

Fr. Boze has been one of my favorite optic members since as long as I can remember. Watching him play against the optic main squad on optic nation always had me hoping they’d somehow pull it off but we all knew that was never happening. When he got his chances on the main roster I was always glad he put on a good performance and proved he’s got quality in the game. Much love always for OpTic MBoZe

[@sdadragons5658]

@@shaggysmokes5193facts, boze is still my favourite optic member to this day even on the watch party, seems like such a humble down to earth guy who is quiet but when it comes down to it, he’s got your back, Zin and scump have mentioned this before

[@rollin60z]

That guy sucks, i see him on scumps streams sometimes and he never adds value hes just a big blob, baked out of his mind and the dynamic between him and that zyn guy seems like he bullys that kid

[@Malitubee]

Where is he nowadays?

[@colbysmith3073]

@@Malitubeestill in optic. He’s on scumps watch party streams a lot

[@risanddanny92515]

Nah always get that signed piece of paper lol. Just cause he “took care” of people doesn’t mean this is the world kids. Always get shit signed.

[@Iamrjayhd]

Yup, use the nadeshot nickmercs example, nadeshot did him dirty in the end no paper no proof

[@aronianspigonian8589]

Right no sht but he said there wasn’t even a way to do that. Imagine listening to

[@jimkillerx]

Exactly. I ended up taking the word for it and got fucked. The lawsuit has been in the process for 4 and a half years now. I learnt my lesson. Took a big L and -$55k.

[@verbmaker]

Mboze getting taken care of and not nadeshot is crazy

[@ChrisRamirez-xg7yy]

He left optic boze didn’t

[@jimkillerx]

@@ChrisRamirez-xg7yy Nadeshot was a massive part of Optic.

[@fps_fordays4247]

I remember the old days when hecs used to play MW2.. he is not as good as the boys but he made montage and stuff.. mannn been so long

[@jeremylutzel9140]

How did Scump not play Ron Weasley in the Harry Potter series? 🤔

[@RyanMK666]

Because he’s American? And he was also an athlete not an actor. 99% of the Harry Potter cast was British. But now I can’t help but picture Ron as Scump 🤣😂

[@jeremylutzel9140]

@@RyanMK666 I mean that's why they call it acting lol... An American can use a British accent just like A Brit can speak with an American accent.. 🤣

[@itzsaccoo]

@@jeremylutzel9140 we’re talking about Scumpii here lol

[@NickGilbert00]

Imagine that exact timeline, Scump leaves Optic….Goes to Envy, then he reunites with everyone because of the merge.

[@AA-wu2fk]

That would happen years later though,would have been different for sure but imo scump is a great player but regardless of what team he was on,it takes compatible players to win...scump can't do everything himself

[@Biggvicc]

If they let Boze talk more he would be an absolute star he’s the funniest top three optic members along with Methodz and Scump

[@2MUDEntertainment]

Facts. BoZe always been my fav. Naturally funny too

[@PhantaxPlays]

Money B is the goat imo but to be fair he chooses not to talk most of the time lol. He just naturally shy

[@FubaR-FTW]

methodz is a sellout lmao

[@enterpassword3313]

Lol u know its not a funny group of ppl when methodz us top 3 funniest

[@aleno525]

Damn imagine if nadeshot stayed

[@Alesedit]

But at same time he made 100T happen

[@WorthyDirtyJersey]

Yeah there would've been no dynasty

[@gilbertaguila9182]

Nade fucking blew .. sucked

[@oMaJiNo1618]

@@WorthyDirtyJersey him leaving def made that move happen. Smart move by Hector to pick up Damon with the EG buyout. Set himself up to keep going after Nade left.

[@KarbohnIsHAM]

haha nade is trash

[@bama5634]

I think Hector dressing and talking the way he does is all we needed to know things are very different now lol

[@suttonio7500]

HeCz always been like that tho honestly

[@bama5634]

@@suttonio7500 Hector used to be a wild man

[@wasssuuuppp]

I feel like Scump would’ve found his way back to optic somehow even if he stayed with Envy for a year or two

[@ICE-FYB]

That piece of paper was NaDe securing his future with a guarantee. He helped build OpTic and wanted his part. I respect it..

[@Aerogenic_Jesse]

I don’t want this crazy quest to ever end with you guys . Tbh . And merry Christmas brothers

[@rvb3n511]

Bro still looks 16

[@-_-Code-_-]

The difference is scump actually left optic because of nade..

[@j3n1us]

When does Hecz not take care of the boys🤔

[@enterpassword3313]

I think its kinda ironic hes been riding on the success of others, then he gives them a % of what they made for him, and acts like hes being generous

[@Infected673]

@@enterpassword3313lol you sound dumb you must not know how buisness works some people just want to play hecz handles the buisness side

[@HockeyFan102]

Latinos age so well bruh

[@friezasoicy8406]

No, rich people age well because they live stress free. I work with middle age Latinos that look 80

[@dungeydude3810]

@@friezasoicy8406 being rich doesnt mean you live stress free, it often means you have even more stress. ever heard of the saying "more money more problems"? it might not be the same stress as someone in a 3rd world country trying to find food but its definitely not stress free unless youre a trust fund kid

[@friezasoicy8406]

@@dungeydude3810 can't argue with that logic, but being rich also means you can afford beauty supplements and dermatologist visits that middle class can't really afford

[@enterpassword3313]

​@@dungeydude3810there is no truth to that saying.. like, at all. The real difference is some ppl only have money because they work too hard at their job and not on personal development.

[@aronianspigonian8589]

@@dungeydude3810it absolutely does mot mean you have even more stress💀 it just means you often stress about different things. Statistically proven, btw

[@EM-me7km]

“He wanted a piece of paper” LOL what a shady fucking person would say. 😂 idc if he took care of them or not, referring to it condescending is SHADY.. Sorry some people want a sense of security.

[@coach1332]

#GETHECZTOAMILLIONSUBS

[@luischahin635]

Dude what happened to Nade haha, bro was a fcking cod beast back in the days

[@miggy4105]

Realized he could make more money off socal media than playing video games

[@luischahin635]

@@miggy4105 yeah youre right homie

[@Malitubee]

Nade was good, but he was never a beast

[@championwarrior1214]

Hell yea everyone knows hecz takes care of his own I don’t know why people surprised he took care of mboze, mboze a LEGEND. this man also funny as fuck. Ay man hecz a real one. All the OGS got taken care of.

[@jadenhartman6982]

scump is like tim robinson stuck in character. thought this was an “i think you should leave” parody at first

[@joebaldiga3412]

I graduated from high school with Tim Robinson and you are 100% correct

[@solobusiness4320]

If scump never left envy he wouldn’t be where he is at today literally. The reason he came back was because base was getting 3x as many viewers and he still was losing

[@themobilejah6159]

Random internet people complaining about random things So original

[@KKruel]

I hope Optic Exxtacy and Mafia got taken care of . And Predator

[@TWIX_FPS]

Dude says this every year

[@Forzamastertuner]

Basically nadeshot was smart ! Equity is real wealth and he wanted to dump his money into that was promised to be good just like any investor.

[@louislakey4590]

Hahaha hecz the greedy bastard. If nadeshot got a little ownership hecz would not have control of what happened with Optic hahaha 🤣

[@gregsimard9154]

I dont know hecz well to be honest but I imagine if hes a businessman he always wants a piece of paper too

[@jakemoreno9491]

At the time he was not

[@d3showtime410]

thats the problem. they already had a system from being built where hecz was owner, then it grew and people (Nadeshot) wanted more. Hecz didnt see the purpose of signing away shit to Nade that in his mind he already has given him. Breaks trust. Hecz probably wanted to just stay on the same course but Nade wasn’t comfortable at the level he was at. No issue either way in my opinion just handle it like men and go your separate ways.

[@enterpassword3313]

Yeah idk why ppl prause hecz so much, hes never made the kind of contribution he likes to say he did. Even the generosity hes pretrnding to display here is just giving players back a cut of the money that was made for him by the players themselves

[@aronianspigonian8589]

@@enterpassword3313he also set up homes for them, orchestrated the entire organization they have played under for a decade at this point and more. Everything they do professionally is tied to hecz. They absolutely would not have made nearly as much or in the way they did without him. You’re extremely naive and clearly don’t understand how optic works even in the slightest. Yikes. Also, you want to see the most obvious case of the privilege he offers? Look at boze’s entire life. Lol.

[@awerawer0708]

​@@enterpassword3313What are you talking about lmao. Most orgs do not have their players' backs at all. For most of cod's history, players werent even on salaries. Hecz did an unprecedented act by constantly giving to his team.

[@rockon772]

Idk who these people are but that older guy seems shady

[@PandaRavioli]

Damn. Nickmercs might not be so crazy now huh?

[@smokeythebandit3327]

Optic would of been nothing without scump ,scump is optic no doubt about it

[@Keeith7]

Scump definitely got at least 10 mill in the bank and he deserves all of it

[@romrich]

He wanted paper because that’s a legally binding agreement and not some “brotherhood” nonsense

[@Iamrjayhd]

Lol but he offered the brotherhood promise to nickmercs and when Nick asked for pen and paper nade did him dirty

[@osmaknn9778]

So nobody did to him what he did to Nick right?

[@Iamrjayhd]

@@osmaknn9778 I’m not sure as to his personal life if someone ever did it to him, but as to what hecz said was that he was always gonna take care of him, but nadeshot left because hecz didn’t want to give him ownership on paper, hecz took care of all his people after he sold optic, nade shot offered Nick 50 percent I believe word to mouth then when time came I believe he was only giving him 3-5 percent of ownership so Nick left

[@enterpassword3313]

​@@Iamrjayhdallegedly

[@aronianspigonian8589]

In this case it isn’t nonsense. Also, at the time, it was impossible to secure ownership as was said in the video.

[@tvph]

a large reason why its different now is because of nadeshot lets be honest

[@the_fritch]

these guys dont realize aimbot made them all they think they have something to do with it

[@tristanmma8407]

Does anybody actually like nadeshot??😳😬 Serious question lol

[@ejluna4451]

No 😂

[@joaomascarenhas8450]

Anyone knows where I can find this full video?

[@xJacobRx]

Gotchu kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4TZomCnidx9iZY

[@nickniehaus1763]

Say what you choose… Hecz is a man and he’s a real guy. He don’t lie. He goes with what he’s got and what he’s made.

[@enterpassword3313]

Hahaha no, hes a seedy businessman. He basically just takes credit for the success of others

[@mavfriko]

so nadeshot did to nickmercs what hecz did to nade only nickmercs was promised it before joining lol

[@DannyCal]

wrong. Hecz wasn't in a position to offer Nade what he wanted. When Hecz got paid so did everyone else.

[@usernamejoshS]

Imagine a different timeline where you released documents proving the government was spying on our phone calls, then you fled to Russia.

[@usernamejoshS]

@@wingwong7286 he looks like edward snowden. use context clues genius

[@enterpassword3313]

​@@usernamejoshSno he doesnt

[@aronianspigonian8589]

He doesn’t look remotely like him. Garbage joke.

[@rawevoli]

Nade is a weasel

[@Liljjp3]

It’s crazy how soft hex voice is

[@ejluna4451]

Tf type shit u on 😂

[@mcmakelove369]

I can see why nade wanted a piece of paper to solidify it but I can also see it from hecz perspective, like bro you my boy and I got you regardless of a piece paper. That goes to show what type of man hecz is, he’s a man of his word. Word is bond man

[@AlwaysEwok]

Nade wasn’t and wouldn’t have been worth ownership back then, most of his clout now comes from what he’s built after leaving optic and he’d have just become another guy around optic if he’d stayed imo

[@michaelweber3036]

He needed paper because look what he did to nick mercs without paper

[@DennisTheMenace10]

Serious tho what is mBoze still doing at optic ? 😂

[@19kambo]

Cause bro funny asf and he an optic og

[@iKayorei]

I don’t even remember if he ever announced his retirement

[@ba6ymillz]

I hate COD. I'm a long time Halo player and fan. But these conversations are nice to listen to. BTW COD aint been good since BOII. Cmm

[@itzb.a.l5948]

No way to do that? If faze was able to make multiple leaders as in banks/rain/apex etc and they were arguably bigger due to being more on YT but Hector couldn’t make nadeshot a higher position? It’s not the fact that he couldn’t, it’s the fact he didn’t want to give nade more money He got greedy with the money and hey that’s cool I get it, he’s a business man and he should take care of the money and brand but by doing that, you guys lost probably the most known ESport player, not the best but he was known for his brand, I’m glad thier still friends and now nade has his own company and his own esport team that compete and just won champs, but I wonder if hector ever regrets not giving nade that position in the company cuz now his brand who was low on funds and had to merge with Dallas has to go against nades brand lmao funny how life turns out

[@sahilsharma4104]

imagine having ur top 2 valo team not qualin

[@nilzstarz]

'qualin' , as in riot deciding which orgs they want and hold power over most ;) if you think this has anything to do with finances you're dumber than your name sugests 🐒

[@AriKariG]

sounds like Hecz has been stealing money from Scump. Nadeshot left and now makes more than both of them combined... I know for a FACT that Hecz would demand a piece of paper as well if he was doing any business deal.

[@therandom58]

Scump talked about why he left. He basically left bc of Nade. They hated each other for a while. It had nothing to do with money

[@viperzzzgaming7323]

1. Scump wasn’t in for the money, he was still fighting to solidify himself as the GOAT of COD, while nadeshot an average player at best wanted the money 2. Nadeshot and Scump had some beef for a while because Nadeshot who was Optics captain and shot caller at the time felt like he was put in the shadow by Scump

[@AriKariG]

All you guys saying he dont care about the money....well Nadeshot and Hecz clearly do

[@therandom58]

@@AriKariG Well when the guy himself says he left bc him and Nade had beef and u can go back and see it there isn’t much room for speculation

[@dark2k10]

@@viperzzzgaming7323 scump is the most popular cod player to ever grace the scene, if he wanted money he could have quit and gone to content and made absolute bank

[@borissanchez2084]

For any of you watch nerds that’s an expensive ass AP this man as on. Looking at like quarter million for it 🥶

[@joebaldiga3412]

I have no idea who these guys are or what they're talking about. I normally don't comment on random videos in my stream, so help me out here...

[@Char0oo]

It would’ve been better for us. So many championships that could’ve been won if scump wasn’t on the team.

[@aronianspigonian8589]

Horrible take. They won more than anyone with scump on the team💀

[@Char0oo]

@@aronianspigonian8589 really? I think they finally won an event in what? 2 years? Scumps ego and optic being a friendship org has costed them a lot of championships.

[@GlockyBalboa]

“Needed a piece of paper” is a pretty ignorant way of saying I’m not giving up any percentages

[@Jacobyockey]

Nade deserved to get paid after Optic sold he was a big reason why they became a big brand in the first place

[@RusskipsPro]

What tf kids still care about screeching uncharismatic cod "pros"

[@MacAnthony19]

That just proves nadeshot did nickmercs dirty #dogeatdogworld

[@ogpattyz2349]

I would a CDL Pro in another timeline but people would see scump vs his off twin brother

[@enterpassword3313]

I think its kinda ironic hes been riding on the success of others, then he gives them a % of what they made for him, and acts like hes being generous

[@O.J._is_Guilty]

Anybody old enough to remember that scump was on envy for a few games?

[@grizlyspectr5695]

Always tension when these two talk... Something definitely happened

[@Tirantekk]

I get Hector is a great guy... but they should have been written in. They made the team more than a team

[@fastballfilms4214]

I hope hecz isn’t wearing ahublot

[@BrendanMurtaghOutdoors]

I fucking love scumpi. He is just always laughing

[@intoxicados9767]

If scump never came back ghost would’ve been the last game I watched competitively

[@kevinquan9154]

Now made my brother CEO

[@cutiewreaks6068]

Scmupie is so white 100 😭😭

[@alithegreat7728]

Scump is good but not teammate good

[@MysticalGB]

is hecz wearing a ceramic royal oak?

[@freedomprophet2891]

So Nade wanted a paper but fed sumone up by take my word. Got it. Snake.

[@dabuckybeave5107]

Wait is MBoZe part owner?

[@Bigrobistheman]

I need to get taken care of!!!

[@neilllevingstone8918]

Which episode is this???

[@JohnsonnPlays]

I wonder how much each optic member got when hecz sold

[@foenem5291]

who in gods name is this

[@FranciscoDuran-di9cy]

Nadeshot OG Pro 🎮 Gamer 💭💯♿

[@LionHeartSurvival]

Idk anybody damn lol😂

[@asaptherm]

Why mboze get taken care of lmao dude did the least barely uploaded

[@The_Stranger1986]

Why do you think? Clearly Hecz saw something in him that went beyond his numbers, clout and upload schedule. Maybe he saw someone he appreciated, respected and loved. That's brotherhood and it's the reason Optic gaming is one of the most respected Esports orgs out there.

[@PrimaL-bt7hu]

Where is this from?

[@ulhasanzk2249]

Nade was afraid to be backstabbed cause he backstabs. People who poison drinks don't take drinks from anybody.

[@erictorres112]

I'm curious who did he back stab?

[@fabian7788]

Exactly no one was asking for a legal binding agreement at the time. Obviously Hecz was taking care of them and they knew without Hec'z management. OpTic wouldn't be what it is today. That says alot about Nade. He just wanted a lead role within the org to get paid more. He also envied Scump alot

[@echopulse6242]

hecs is too serious lmao

[@shikamarunarasr]

Big-T would’ve held it down 🐐

[@fume5671]

Crazy to think about it we don’t even know it but boz is prob rich af..I would love to heard more about this honestly like more details it’s interesting af to me

[@KarlSchott]

Imagine if ninja had a low taper fade

[@aronianspigonian8589]

Freak

[@Sneatt]

I couldn’t see that Timeline. Scumpi IS OpTic, I 1,000,000% believe that OpTic is as loved and where it’s at today, because of Scumpi.

[@awerawer0708]

Scump and Nade brought OpTic to the top together in BO2

[@Sneatt]

@@awerawer0708 that’s true. But after Nadeshot left Scump had to drag OpTic by himself for a while

[@awerawer0708]

@@Sneatt When Nade retired the dynasty started, so it was definitely a team effort from that point. But by then OpTic had already been cemented as the team with the biggest following because of all the work Scump and Nade put during BO2 and Ghosts

[@derekcruickshank24]

Hecs with the plain Jane ap 🥶

[@crazycubanjr]

What does a piece of paper mean?

[@Sprier]

Legal document giving part ownership I assume

[@RisanElite]

first

[@MGTookee]

H3cz is just the goat man

[@eriansantiago]

This is good content

[@angelesparza2709]

No 100T dam

[@andresmena8212]

Where can I find the full video?

[@RyanMK666]

Optics main channel, it’s the video where Scump goes in depth about retirement.

[@Buelr]

These dudes think they are way more important than they are

[@trevor5595]

I feel like Nade and Hecz lowkey still got beef