If War Thunder's T-80 was historically accurate

As the T-64 main battle tank continued to experience issues with its development, the Soviet military began looking at alternatives options. One such option was to take the basic layout of a T-64, give it a gas turbine engine, and make some minor tweaks. This new tank was called Object 219, and though it greatly improved on the T-64's automotive performance, it presented a number of its own issues. The engine was prohibitively expensive, went through a large amount of fuel, and was generally unreliable. The Object 219 seemed to be doomed, but this changed when the Minister of Defense died and was replaced by Dmitriy Ustinov, who was convinced that gas turbine tanks were the way of the future. On his orders, Object 219 was rushed into service as the T-80 despite its lingering issues. The T-80 would see further improvements such as the T-80B, T-80BV, T-80U, etc. Since it was so expensive, it wasn't produced in great numbers, with the T-72 being favored instead. With the failure of Soviet armor in Chechnya, the currently in-development T-72 upgrade was renamed to T-90 to give the illusion that it was a different tank and therefore not prone to the same failings. The T-80 was largely canned, but still continues to see marginal development.
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[@Spookston]

Since a lot of people seem to be foaming at the mouth over this video I guess I need to explain some things that I thought were fairly obvious. *"How can you say it had low production numbers when over 5000 were made?"* Did you gloss over the word "comparatively?" They made less than half as many T-80s as they did T-64s, and both are dwarfed by T-72 production as well as reserve T-55/T-62s. If War Thunder teams are supposed to be a reflection of a nation's tank forces, T-80s would indeed be the minority. *"The fuel consumption wasn't that bad."* It was not up to Soviet operational standards, that's why it's appearing in the video at all. The only way for it to reach those standards was to mount large external fuel tanks, as mentioned in the video. The M1 Abrams also consumes a lot of fuel, but it has the fuel capacity to offset that consumption and as such it reaches US operational standards. If it didn't, I would've included it in the M1 Abrams video. *"It may have been expensive but it wasn't too expensive for them to produce it."* Ok, and? It's still a lot more expensive than other Soviet MBTs. That's what we're talking about. Relative cost. I don't find this a very compelling excuse either, since we're talking about the same nation that destroyed itself (in part) thanks to excessive defense expenditure. *"T-80BV isn't the same as a T-80B with Kontakt."* Zaloga isn't technically wrong here, but he did fail to mention the additional composite that was also a part of this upgrade. In any case, I still think Gaijin should make it a T-80BV mod, since the T-80B isn't a particularly great vehicle in-game. The extra composite might help. *"Zaloga is a bad/biased source."* He's really not. His information is accurate the majority of the time. In any case, he's the only english source on the T-80 that wasn't a website. I refuse to use websites as sources. *"You're biased against/unfair towards Soviet vehicles."* If that's your perception, I think you need to have a look at some of my other historically accurate videos. My recent video on the Sheridan was much, much harsher than this one or the one I did on the BMP-1. The BMP video was about as harsh as my M60 video, and IIRC my T-64A video wasn't all that harsh either. I do like American vehicles the most but that doesn't mean I hate the vehicles of other nations. I think Soviet tanks are very interesting, in fact the Russian tech tree is my most played tree after the US. It also doesn't mean that I am incapable of recognizing flaws with American tanks. Not only have I made a plethora of "historically accurate" videos that are pretty harsh towards American vehicles, but I've said multiple times that my favorite tank of all time, the HSTV-L, would have made for a terrible production vehicle. I put down whatever I read for these videos. If you think I'm biased because you think one of my videos shit on a tank too hard or didn't shit on it enough, maybe your preconceived notions are to blame.

[@TheArklyte]

1:34 Why do you refer only to external fuel tanks as an option and ignore same mount being used for БДШ?

[@srinjoymandal458]

@Spookston, pls whatever they say, For me your videos are gold, and I love tanks. My favourite vids of your are those on the flaws of War thunder's HSTVL

[@ratboi9770]

If they modify it it should take out thermals and increase reload

[@blumpfreyfranks8863]

What you could have done is used translated sources from the manufacturers or other Russian ones. Don't day they aren't available because they are, albeit crooked but still readable. That way you could have saved yourself a lot of the "biased sources" comments, had you used them.

[@talltale9760]

T-80B costs more to produce compared to western MBTs?

[@julioleonardus7958]

Probably the only historically accurate video without "transmission broken"

[@ALGNC]

Video about BMP also doesn't have transmission brake. Just saying.

[@Fion195]

Justise for a broken tank

[@mando_dablord2646]

Can't have a broken transmission if the engine breaks first.

[@Delta-es1lg]

I don't think the sherman had one...

[@LtCWest]

And the M1 Abrams as well ^^

[@buschacha]

“T-80 ammo should have a 100% chance to explode” Gaijin: “I’m gonna do what’s called a pro-gamer move”

[@michener1622]

I don’t know how is it for you people but my t/80b goes oof every hit into the ammo

[@atomicspartan131]

Michener I’ve had rare cases with the T-80 and other such tanks where the ammo is hit and disintegrates and doesn’t explode. It’s really rare, but it happens

[@buschacha]

Michener If you fight T-80s you learn pretty quickly that the ammo carousel has a distinctly less than 100% to detonate. Playing the T-80, you notice every time you die to an ammo cook-off but I guarantee you miss all those strange “non-pens” or 0 damage shots that you’re likely attributing to armor or poor aim from the enemy. It’s not like it’s your fault or anything, because that’s just how our brains work.

[@yatokami7907]

@@buschacha When I play the Type 90 every round I shoot at *any* russian tank destroys it in one hit. No idea what you're on about.

[@buschacha]

Yato Kami The phrase of the day is: “confirmation bias” Gaijin literally coded ammo detonations to be RNG. This meme on Reddit from 3 months ago even features 4 separate non detonations. reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/gpqlzz/c_o_n_s_i_s_t_e_n_c_y/

[@memesintensifies8013]

Tank exists Spookston "I diagnose you with cramped interior"

[@imightbearacist6613]

Laughs in all Centurion models

[@josephahner3031]

Laughs in Abrams.

[@josephahner3031]

Though nearly all US tanks have spacious interiors with good ergonomics. It's always been part of the American design philosophy and why it took us so long to roll out a 76mm Sherman tank in WW2 when we had a prototype ready for production before Operation Torch.

[@19Koty96]

@@josephahner3031 Abrams is quite cramped though. T-80, not so much.

[@josephahner3031]

@@19Koty96 I've never been in an armored vehicle less cramped than an Abrams tank. Served on them for 3 years. Never had a complaint about space. Especially after the first time I got into a Bradley turret. Can't speak for T-80 cause I've never been in one but Abrams is highly praised for its interior space by tankers and you're the first person I've ever heard praise T-80 for its accomodations.

[@zahwa242]

"The T-80B should not have a thermal sight" Gaijin : "WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN"

[@MCAroon09]

premium T-80 with a thermal sight while the researchable won't have it

[@baroooga6787]

gaijin is referring to its modern variant the T80BVM which a 2nd gen thermal sight(same thermal on T72B3)but its far different it has relikt ERA all over it

[@CatsAreAmazing8187]

Actually they know that

[@user-qn3xu5ee3t]

@@baroooga6787 they are referring to T-80UK

[@novasauce7943]

badinas2134 the t-80 UK is Russia’s main export variant and was the first to have thermal optics. Funnily enough, Britain should have the t-80 UK because the dumb commies accidentally sold a bunch of them to England.

[@TeddyKrimsony]

The 9m112 does sometimes lose control in simulator battles

[@SweRazze]

My missile in my t55am1 went haywire in a rb game, flew away on its on adventure

[@alanwatts8239]

shhhh he doesn't know, he plays arcade

[@LongTimeAgoNL]

Thats probably is just the Gaijin Spaghetti code going nuts. Shillelagh Missiles in the American tree have the same issue at random. While it didnt have that issue in real life.

[@LongTimeAgoNL]

@Jimmy De'Souza heh, funny. Ty for that trivia. But TOW missiles have the same issue in this game. And basically all missiles work the same in this game.

[@andrewmoore7022]

Yeah but pretty much all missiles sometimes just don't work in this game probably due to the code resembling blended lasagna

[@wertushka2715]

In 2009, I served on the T-80bv, and I will say so that the turbine is a very reliable device and the tank is very dynamic, once we removed the speed limiter and accelerated to 90 km/h... We didn't shoot a rocket, so I can't say anything about its low efficiency, I shot from a reflex rocket with a modification of the t72 tank only, there is an effective and valid range of 4km, which is very good (personally in my opinion). The turbine, unlike Abrams, has a vibrating self-cleaning of the compressor blades, etc., as well as the vortex system itself is thought out so that dust does not interfere with operation particularly. I can't explain it normally in English, but the t80 has shown with time and hot spots that it is a very efficient tank, very reliable (in addition to the loading mechanism, it often wedges due to the age of the tank), I also want to say that it feels like the automatic loader on the t72 and subsequent ones is more reliable and faster, the next in line is the projectile into the breech of the gun in 4-6 seconds, whereas on the t64 and its derivatives.

[@MARKED_CAP]

true

[@Raig658]

гойда?

[@imatoaster7831]

Lol no views, no likes, no comments, but we do have a dislike

[@LN-mi6ql]

x 2

[@chloe_gospinny]

They haven't even seen the video

[@riesenfliegefly7139]

@@chloe_gospinny So what ? I have liked before ive seen the video.

[@chloe_gospinny]

@@riesenfliegefly7139 good point

[@Orangefan77]

*anton was here*

[@mateushtommason6314]

Something i found funny about the Steven Zalogas name is that Zaloga is basicly a Polish word Załoga without the Ł in english hes name would be Steven Crew. (idk what i can do with this information)

[@hedgehog3180]

I guess it means he is likely descended from Polish immigrants and his last name was anglicized.

[@fromthefire4176]

Zaloga = crew, and it’s a guy writing about tanks... 🤔 he’s clearly descended from a long line of polish tankers who take their profession quite seriously, I mean it’s the only thing that makes sense.

[@werrkowalski2985]

Nothing, just a coincidence mate.

[@roadhigher]

Small note but the T-80B with Kontakt-1 is not the same as a T-80BV. The T-80BV has a slightly different composite armour array on the UFP with another steel plate sandwiched between the two composite plates, unlike on the T-80B which has 'Steel--Composite--Steel', the T-80BV has 'Steel--Composite--Steel--Composite--Steel', more similair to the T-64B's array.

[@aaudi6365]

What is UFP? I haveseen it multiple times but can't find any answers

[@ledzik1893]

@@aaudi6365 Upper Front Plate

[@Orphican]

Source?

[@rinaldoman3331]

@@Orphican it's open source. Т-80B (1978) and T-80BV (1985) has different UFP, missiles and etc.

[@Orphican]

@@rinaldoman3331 Do you have a reputable source beyond just saying "open source"?

[@the_onionman]

Damn Steven Zaloga is talkin mad shit for someone within 3BM42 "Mango" range

[@fenfrostpaws2000]

*The Kremlin wants to know your location*

[@anselmetheo3266]

Spookston can you make a video « if war thunder Leclerc was historically accurate » please ?

[@abdvxn]

next historically accurate: if war thunder was historically accurate edit: wow I have never had 4 likes

[@JohnF0X]

Oh boy, that would be a long Video

[@primal_guy1526]

That'd have more hours than I have fingers

[@senor_shwerk8945]

It would be if war thunder was historicaly FUN

[@TANKER_-dj8lr]

Money.

[@dude3278]

The game wouldn't be as fun as it is currently if it was historically accurate. It's already "almost fun" lmao

[@actualpotato3115]

If Squad’s tanks were historically accurate

[@YourGodStalin]

You mean if Squad's tanks were remotely accurate.

[@clinteastwood6333]

the BMP-2M is super Historically accurate unless Gajin makes all BMP too slow for people who play from other nations not to cry for their speed look at the BMP-3 in the game 18 tons 500 horsepower and walk around like a damn M3 Bradley Orroso

[@actualpotato3115]

Clint Eastwood Squad is a game, not referring to a squadron vehicle.

[@subjectc7505]

Squad is pretty accurate. If you have the right crew.

[@lodestar536]

"Comparatively low production numbers" have you seen russian top tier lol

[@mr.waffentrager4400]

They don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming.

[@thesovietduck2121]

Apparently in War Thunder, There are more T80s and T72s than T34s

[@rhn122]

Why? Because a minor vehicle difference is a completely new vehicle, meaning more backups, I think this idea is kinda dumb in Soviet lineup case.

[@bananaman7529]

@AdBlock plus Mainly it means that on one battlefield there would be more t72's than t80's, and war thunder is kinda opposite at top tier. Now with the new t72b-3 this is probably going to change although

[@mudmud.]

@@rhn122 that more cuz its a soviet game and they want there nation to be the best playing at top tier with urss is the ez mode of top tier

[@leviheichou1406]

Gaijin: *pulls shit out of their ass to buff or nerf tanks* Also Gaijin: "Most historically accurate simulator game xaxaxaxaxa"

[@pvtnewb]

The T-80B and T-80BV Obr. 1985 have two different UFP arrangements, the one in-game has 3 layer, meanwhile Obr. 1985 has a 5 layer UFP similar to T-80U and this one is generally the one that's called T-80BV. The 1985 model also has Kontakt-1 from the factory, unlike T-80B's upgrade package.

[@pvtnewb]

@John WickS from T-80B

[@filipmisko9363]

Yes for soviet standards t80 was build in small number (t80b around 4000 and t80u around 500 +700 t80ud) but for example all leo2 was produced around 1800. Service life of gtd engine was 50% bigger than t72 and t64 engines. Range on one refueling was low for soviet standar minum 500km (t80 335km) but for example centurins had range around 100km.

[@filipmisko9363]

@ yes but this is only exaplel. take into account that in my nearest distance traveled on the t80 in war thunder is 12km, even if you count that the tank was driving all the time on the ground, it means burning less than 10% of fuel

[@r.p5380]

@@filipmisko9363hello

[@aisir3725]

"T-80u's were sent to South Korea" Oh, makes se- wait, SOUTH?!

[@dimasakbar7668]

Its for debt payment since Russia were broke atm

[@aisir3725]

@@dimasakbar7668 let me guess, Yeltsin?

[@MrMustang1945]

The North is gonna be real confused in the next war.

[@adillakandi.r]

​@@MrMustang1945i don't think South Korea will have any T-80U left when the war broke

[@Distressed_Asian]

​@@adillakandi.r there were only 30+ T-80U and 2 T-80UK variants + 30+ BMP-3s

[@TheAmazingCowpig]

"The T-80 now has a researchable modification for external fuel tanks. These fuel tanks are required to bring its range up to the standards of other tanks." Gaijin: "Genius! Make it a tier 4 mod!

[@jarskil8862]

Literally all German tanks: *Im in danger*

[@dutch_cheese_man]

Let's go another one, I love these videos.

[@samk9357]

Great video overall but the t-80bv is not a t-80b with kontakt-1. The t-80bv had a 5 layer composit on its upper plate unlike the t-80b's 3 layer one.

[@ledzik1893]

Thers two kinde of T-80BV, new build tanks with new armor and modernised T-80B's with added Kontakt-1.

[@PugilistCactus]

@@ledzik1893 You're thinking of T-80BVM.

[@matsen1634]

@@PugilistCactus No, he's not. He's talking about newly produced variants of T-80BV which had different armor layout to the standard T-80B. There was also a different tank, just a T-80B but retrofitted with Kontakt-1. I think that's what happened to T-80B stationed in Germany. I think I read it in one of Zaloga's books. Same goes for the thermal sight, apparently there were 1-2 T-80B's that had it installed experimentally. Trying to find information for both is a pain in the ass. I think it would be better if someone who can dig up Russian sources should speak about it. I can read cyrillic but I'm not that knowledgeable in Russian language to make much out of it.

[@ledzik1893]

@@PugilistCactus No, im thinking about modernisation from the 1980s.

[@PeenileCansir]

Judging by the comments I think they should give the name T-80BV (retrofit) to the original vehicle. Then maybe folder the T-80BV that has the 5 layer array with the original vehicle.

[@exseque21]

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[@TikerFighter]

maybe you should use more than one source?

[@user-fn6kf5ex6t]

Yep. *Histotycally accurate about soviet tanks* >I need to use not soviet/russian sources.

[@yamato3151]

"Comparatively low production numbers" 7006 T-80 were build from 1976 to 1990

[@himedo1512]

Cool. Irrelevant. How many t-80Bs were built. Not t-80s of all varieties.

[@Ermy1996]

@@himedo1512 almost 5000. Still more than most nato tanks (leo 2 around 1800 lol). Actually more than all western europe mbts combined. Low my ass. Is not the only inaccuracy either. T80 plus kontakt one IS NOT the bv variant.

[@himedo1512]

@@Ermy1996 yeah, if thats true thats some BS.

[@Ermy1996]

@@himedo1512 is low by russian standards. By nato standards was a colossal production. Lets not forget that the source for all this stuff is not even from russia. Is a polish-american dude. And there are more inaccurate infos. The first year did not even have missiles, where added from the second and SOME t80b had termals, not all of them.

[@petsaa]

@@himedo1512 butthurt? lul

[@otavio8566]

0:11 I didn't notice the "manually" so I was shocked at first to know the amount of time it takes. But still quite slow

[@miroslavegorov]

The t-80 is has an autoloading mechanism, its clearly seen at 0:35 in this vide, hence there only being 3 crew members. lol. Why is it even mentioned that it is loaded manually.... don't know where this guy is getting his sources from....

[@maverick8697]

​@@miroslavegorov The autoloader holds only part of the ammunition. Rest is placed all over the tank. In T-72 even under the crew seats. So when the autoloader runs out of ammo the crew needs to put new shells into the autoloader.

[@zarnoboi7516]

Thank you so much for making this video

[@erqadezz]

Absolutely LOVE this series, keep up the good work man! Cheers from Poland 😁

[@jeejjooj5959]

Have u already done “if the panzer 4 series were historically accurate”

[@tirpitz177]

I keep asking for it lol

[@oddballtherighteous6681]

he just posted it, check it out

[@justrandomman2415]

Love these types of vids

[@mihailo674]

''Low production rates". Meanwhile irl there are more T-80s in Russian reserve than Leopard 2s were ever produced.. ''the t-80 is incredibly expensive". T-80U used to cost 2.8 million USD (at the same generation: M1A2 SEP =8 million, Leclerc= 12+ million Euros) historically accurate btw

[@user-pp3by4js7s]

"spookston" moment

[@madcat789]

Aw, I thought you were gonna show the crappy T80.

[@user-su6ts9wm1h]

yeah it need more buffs

[@BIOSHOCKFOXX]

@@user-su6ts9wm1h Yea, Russian lineups needs a buff...in repair costs, up to 16k. Piece of cheap junk that costs less maxed that stock any other nation, and performs better thanks to its ERA and Kontakt.

[@tartagliathewigsplitter3880]

@@BIOSHOCKFOXX 16k? too little! give them 33k repair cost and we're golden

[@txnyy8608]

@@BIOSHOCKFOXX Please, tell me you're joking. Nobody can't be that stupid.

[@nikm5575]

@@BIOSHOCKFOXX I think you mean they already have the correct repair costs, nato tanks just need to have lower repair costs

[@renthenibba6398]

Hey yo man preciate video keep it up with that research and love the video 👍

[@deadliftalot]

Kinda ironic since the abrams is more expensive and only has around 10km range over t80

[@rusty_sniper4992]

Thanks for the pre-birthday gift Spookston

[@peoplesrepublicofliberland5606]

What if the R3 T20 was historically accurate

[@spooky694]

4.7 or 5.0

[@peoplesrepublicofliberland5606]

I love playing Italy, I think it's a great tech tree that needs more vehicles. But putting that thin in 3.7 is stupid.

[@raptor2-40delta2]

If the R3 with the 20mm was historically accurate it would have self destroying belts and would make an excellent 6.3 SPAA

[@VKK-cr1uk]

It wouldn't be facing T50s like in the oh so "Realistic" mode

[@thehendek7837]

It's historically accurate enough and it should be 2.0 so it doesnt get one shot

[@yourlocalasleeponioperativ4095]

We did it boys,a “if the (insert vehicle name here)” video without something about the transmission

[@legendaryryan1623]

Love this kind of content, pretty much all of warthunder's playerbase should see this

[@cannasablin7533]

Flames of War just released the T80 a month or two ago, good information to have.

[@willus567]

A video like this on most western mbts would be looooong

[@tatihof4919]

What about repair time? It's also not realistic. Traks should have at least a 24 hour repair time and if you have to repair the cannon breach if it would be realistic it should take like a week to repair it in battle.

[@alejandrorangelcontreras4462]

It would be great to watch a Merkava video. Nice series by the way. 👌

[@artificialash]

historically accurate in a nutshell: if in doubt, engine break down

[@swordsman1137]

0:41 apparently, on recent T-80BVM tank excercise on Russia, alot of missiles launched miss the target. I don't know if the missile they used is the same with Kobra that mentioned that make them miss, or just lack of training. But, T-72B3 more accurate when firing the missile. Once again, i'm lacking the information about the missile type and how experience the crew are.

[@cameronporter5137]

I believe the T72B3 uses the SVIR/REFLEKS. Not 100% sure for the T80BVM, they could both be using the SVIR/REFLEKS and the fire control systems are different

[@poobutt7810]

Honestly I prefer these oppsed to the T-90s. Something about the T-80's profile just seems more menacing

[@SWSagume]

Btw shouldnt the T-80B(V) also get a newer front plate. It gets 150mm RHA steel with textolite elements like the T-64B, not 105mm RHA steel just with era strapped on.

[@PugilistCactus]

T-80 1976 shouldn't have an ATGM. That wasn't added till '77. Also low production rates? Over 5000 T-80's were made. A lot of hulls can be traced back to the early '80's. The fuel point is a strange one to make as this was an issue with all gas guzzling turbine engines. This is why you don't see them retiring the T-72 any time soon. Steven Zaloga seems like someone I'd find in a loosely accurate encyclopedia.

[@jbeverley67]

He wasn't talking about the t80 in general though. He was saying that the U variant in general was not widely produced

[@JamesVDBosch]

@@jbeverley67 ''Not widely produced'' for USSR standards is still extremely high production figures for NATO standards, this whole video is just filled with errors and just silly statements.

[@himedo1512]

He wasn't talking about all T-80s. Only T-80Bs. So coms back with the production numbers of that model.

[@jaewoojung1309]

Look at this dude... Look at the top of his head 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@PugilistCactus]

@@himedo1512 True until you strip most modern T-80's as B became the base production series. Technically the one in game is a model from 1985 rather than '77. They made the same fumble with T-64B. Which is technically a T-64BV (before they fixed it)

[@gamecubekingdevon3]

you forgot that in game's kontakt 5 is far less efficient as it's supposed to be (making T-80U less resilient than he should)

[@josephahner3031]

Anything we think we know about kontakt 5's effectiveness is pure conjecture. The Russians publicly claim it's immune to any NATO gun/round/missile of the 1980s era but who knows for sure? They never deployed kontakt 5 under combat conditions until Syria a few years ago and there's no publicly available data for it's performance there.

[@gamecubekingdevon3]

@@josephahner3031 most NERA 's efficiency are also conjecture. but most sources tend to claim that K5 can reach up to 200 to 240 effective RHA against KE, and up to 600 RHA against single shaped (not tandem) shaped charges. in game it's 120 and 400 (wich, for the chemical part, match with K1, and for the KE part, is better than K1, but inferior to K5)

[@gamecubekingdevon3]

@@komradearti9935 i am aware that ERA diesn t give the same amount of protection against all KE projectiles. But we Can Say the same for NERA, and for the game, it s the same. Also keep in mind that in the game, most KE projectiles are from 20 century, not 21. So, a construction not suites to face an Era like K5 (as it wasn t already well known )

[@gamecubekingdevon3]

@@komradearti9935 France mainly use OFL 1 as KE projectiles if i remember. As for M829 i would still have doubts, especially if the test are linked in a way or another to Iraqi T72 (because Assad babil and T72M1 are not représentative of what a T-72B OBR-1985 and OBR-1989 could do) The thing is that we don t know the composition of T80UD turret, and WE don t even have clear sources regarding the cellular Armor of T-80U (still don t know if it s a métal Matrix with ceramic/silica inside of if it s more a métal foam, or made of composite material with harder stuff) and we don t know the range of the test préformed regarding DM43 vs it. Also, we don t know against wich KE projectile the soviet tested their K5 (monobloc or multipieces. Multipieces might endure better Era, as it would still let the core do it s job, while monobloc would suffer far more as it would get blunted and either deformed or broken )

[@gamecubekingdevon3]

@@komradearti9935 but since we don't know the composition of UD 's turret inserts compared to U's turret insert, we cannot know the potential reactions beetween the rod and the armor package. (we don't know if they kept the same structure but with something better to make the cellular armor layers, or if they completely ditched the cellular armor design in favor of NERA sandwiches, or if they came with something else )

[@darrelllane8353]

I love these videos

[@spencerlenz5050]

Gaijin sees video “I’m gonna pretend I didn’t see that”

[@thermite10k40]

like every other video of this series . sekrit dokumintz are never wrong

[@gumerk.7721]

"There were produced more than 10000 T80 tanks" Spook: Im just gonna ignore that

[@ericharrison7518]

You should probably read the captions closer. He never says that not many T80's were manufactured. He specifically mentions variants of it like the T80B and T80U.

[@PugilistCactus]

Yeah I'm pretty sure that quote was pulled right out of the 70's after they found out that the T-80 wasn't a T-72.

[@billythibaud1921]

Wikipedia only says around 5500 tho...

[@SquattingSamurai]

@@ericharrison7518 T80 is a pre-rpoduction model that wasn't produced in large numbers. T80B is the first actual production models, and then you have numerous various modifications that were based on T80B and T80U. Overall over 6000 tanks were produced EXCLUDING the newest modifications like T84 that is basically a new tank

[@JamesVDBosch]

@@ericharrison7518 T-80 is actually the lowest produced variant, T-80B and T-80U both have SIGNIFICANTLY higher production runs.

[@Duke-3508]

Ah the Halo odst soundtrack. Gets me every time.

[@54322g]

Not really an 'issue' in the direct sense (nor is it relevant in game), but it is worth noting that only the UD model has a remote controlled machine gun

[@tiomik123]

T - 80: Exists Ammo: Explodes

[@thenightingale_1115]

The T-80BV mod have not only Contact-1 ERA irl, it also have a little different composite armor construction

[@megaliidea1919]

Last time I was this early the soviet union wasn't dissolved

[@0rie1]

This joke died, give up with it...

[@megaliidea1919]

@@0rie1 no

[@SomeGirth]

ok boomer

[@megaliidea1919]

@@SomeGirth ok

[@katyusha1283]

F

[@HaZETaipan]

humm...what is the symbol that you put on the rubber screen and night vision of the t80b at 0:18 ? Just curious

[@acr2051]

Mongolian ensign

[@HaZETaipan]

@@acr2051 oh i see, thanks

[@shrekrecker]

In game, the modification for the t80b era is called t80bv armor package, clearly you havent even tried.

[@m10tankdestroyer94]

Imagine playing the T-80 and your ammo just randomly explodes 😂😂😂

[@Aspir3xx]

Honestly I think the T-80 was the best Soviet MBT in my opinion despite of it having many problems.

[@tomasbohyl7453]

I used to play with firecrackers a lot when I was younger, and managed to count all the sources here anyway.

[@txnyy8608]

Neasi, zasranej Zaloga xdd

[@txnyy8608]

Neasi, zasranej Zaloga xddd

[@ivanmonahhov2314]

Interesting that he does not mention that the reload time should be based on ammo taken and if one type is predominantly taken should be reduced to 6 seconds. Like T-64. Thermal seems to come from T-80BVM upgrade package.

[@BasTSLA]

can you make video about Leopard 2a5 please

[@Geworfenheit]

Low production, but Spookston. T-80B's produced in same number as it's analogue in capabilities - Leopard 2A4.

[@lolxd4khd141]

I guess that is relative to the Soviet army

[@lab____2003]

another thing you could have added in addition to the T80BV is, when you get thermals for the T80U it should be named the T80UM

[@ivanmonahhov2314]

T-80UK obr 1991 had thermals.

[@DelinaSilence]

Historical accuracy of the Hawker Typhoon, please!

[@JamesVDBosch]

Ah yes, let's use a single non-Russian source about Russian vehicles. Let's then also make constant mistakes, such as claiming the T-80B with Kontakt-1 should be named T-80BV, even though this is a seperate variant with more effective glacis composition. Let's also claim low production figures for the T-80U, even though by NATO standards, it's still an incredibly high production figure. Let's also claim the T-80B didn't have thermals sights, even though there were T-80B's with thermal sights... And let's also claim the vehicle doesn't have a 100% ammunition detonation rate, even though it's the same as any other vehicle, except the X-Ray cam shows the carousel as ammunition (which is the actual issue).

[@SnowyToilet]

@Joe Blow stating the obvious bias against a russian tank means that one is apparently a russiaboo? You wouldn't be so happy if someone made a "historically accurate" video on the M1 and used only a single russian source would ya?

[@dassatisfan]

@Joe Blow Obvious facts means "russiaboo angry", nice logic

[@carloslocatelli2519]

Can you make one vid on the Leopard 1 A1A1 please?

[@arkansasturin8144]

Great Video, as all Your "historically accurate" are. But Spookston do You have/had issues with overperforming ERA on soviet tanks? Lately most of my top tier AP shells in type 90 and abrams are eaten whole by external plates of t80. T72 tanks. Sometimes even on a flat side shot. Is that nirmal? Is that suppouse to be like that? Im not an expert in military nor in english so excuse me if I look foolish here.

[@lolxd4khd141]

I don't think is over performing, near the end of the cold war NATO tanks couldn't penetrate the latest Soviet tanks and Soviet tanks couldn't penetrate latest NATO tanks, everyone now thinks that Soviet tanks were weak thanks to the gulf war but Iraqi tanks were obsolete export variants.

[@arkansasturin8144]

@@lolxd4khd141 but i mean that apsdfs shell are stopped by era. In game. I dont know historical data :/ im not an expert, but it seems odd to me.

[@michaelspielman4801]

Biggest issue with the game right isn't really the game broken as it is but that can be fixed in time if they just did it. Biggest problem right now with the game is bias towards anything Russian and unneeded anti bias towards anything not Russian I have found many many fats they use wrong compared to actual reliable sources of information like blueprints and such for near all tanks. Modern Tanks like the Abrams T-90s and such where excluded due to there classified information which is understandable. Take the Panther for example the tank when actually tested was found to be pretty good for time of production on good models, later in the war production became a issue for Germany at the time due to factories lack of good material and the labor they used to make theme was sabotaging some of the equipment. The Panther was found to back up faster than 2 mph as in game but actually could back up to 8 mph for its time on good well maintained models. Game devs saw that and went nerf the panther it is better than the T-34s and surprise IRL the t-34s where bad tanks with poor production quality even wore armor till later 44 models and those only fought in taking Berlin up to that point the T-34 76 and early model T-34-85s where used and they used very poor cast armor that actually shattered when hit more than German American British or even Japanese cast armor for the same time. The M48A1s 90mm gun could pen t-54s andT-55s T-62s tanks and models based on those from almost 2000 meters away in game they don't represent that at all in game form. So yeah before they fix the many issues in game due to poor and unprofessional programing they gotta out there bias to the side and actually accept true facts for the game and fix MM for Christ sakes. Talked to a good friend of mine that is in the game not dev wise but in the seeing the accounts and choice making process and according to that person well over 90 percent of accounts are either not signed into anymore, used and or are active and out that 90 percent well into 70 percent are outside of Russia and for the same reason many players complain about on the forums in those areas and on other sources used.

[@bickboose9364]

Their concerns are primarily focused on *keeping their Russian players happy* (apparently they are [were?] their biggest source of income) and also *making sure new premiums sell like hotcakes* when they introduce new nations, by making atleast their top tier vehicles desirable (better in some way compared to vehicles of older nations).

[@michaelspielman4801]

@@bickboose9364 Issue is that mentality is killing there business also things have to change.

[@thetab0179]

Hey Spookston, are you ready for H3: ODST on MCC PC? And happy (or sad) 10th anniversary of Halo: Reach!

[@Aes880]

Isnt that 30s is the time it took to hand crank the auto loader not load it tho?

[@stevenbreach2561]

Suddenly my old Chieftain doesn't look so bad

[@smutimohapatra3174]

Can you do the m41a1?

[@pitur124]

I love ur videos

[@christophervanoster]

Can we get a historically accurate on my favorite tank ever, the panzer lll? Preferably the late models like the L and M. Attempt #4

[@Ghost_Ark66]

I'm not sure how many people know this as I to only learned about this after some messing around with the armor model but if you face a T-80 in the front and shoot into the drivers hatch area it will pen and kill the tank.

[@danielschmidt2541]

I didn't realize there was such thing as a non cramped tank.

[@MeatyTF2Mercs]

Did I Just See an Emblem Of Mongolia On a T80B (Im Mongolian irl)

[@tsolmonbayarodkhuu267]

Буун дээр нь Монголия гээд бас бичсэн байна

[@user-el8kx7qd2r]

0.006% chance, your crew will say "sibal" instead of "cyka"

[@TheSuperCanucks]

now do the T-80

[@robertrogers6021]

What's I'm wondering is when are we gonna get the actual US variant Abrams. The ones in game are literal export models.

[@josephahner3031]

What game are you playing? The US never exported 105mm armed Abrams. The M1A1 with 120mm gun was introduced in 1985 with improved protection and firepower. Early M1A1s did not have the DU armor until the mid to late 90s but the DU armor variants were never exported. M1A2 was introduced in 1992 with DU armor and an independent thermal sight for the commander. The M1A2 export variants also do not have the DU inserts.

[@photonicemitter9227]

You mean those that can't be easily penetrated ?) Russians will never admit that. Lol

[@photonicemitter9227]

@@komradearti9935 happy, unhappy. Lol. I don't care. Enjoy your "knowlege" ))

[@photonicemitter9227]

@@komradearti9935 you can want what you want )) Stop talking to me. I don't care on your opinion. Lol

[@clinteastwood6333]

@@komradearti9935 A galera do war thunder deveria ficar feliz que a Gajin não esta nem um Pouco a fim de balançear a Perfuração dos Canhoes de 125mm sovieticos porque se a gajin colocasse a verdadeira perfuração da APFSDS dos Sovieticos Jogador de m1 abrams ia passa mal take a look at the speed of the Soviet APFSD and the actual drilling without the gajin Nerf fofanov.armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/ARM/apfsds/ammo.html

[@brotkrummelvanvollkorn4364]

Some were given to south korea? Weren't they produced during the time of the soviet union when the udssr was allied with north korea?

[@SquattingSamurai]

So, according to this video: - 6000 tanks means "low production values" - "only one T80U can be spawned" despite over 500 of them made, excluding various modifications based on T80U - 3-5 million dollars is an "incredibly high price" for T80x but 6-9 million dollars is "reasonable" for M1Ax - 9K112 Kobra is "too expensive" despite being comparably cheaper than most other ATGMs of it's time and even some modern APFSDS - many other little things like "uses too much fuel" despite the fact that Abrams' gas turbine consumes way more fuel that the T80 and is one of the worst tanks in terms of fuel efficiency, misconceptions about armor values or the fact that the Kontakt-1 modification for T80B in the game is literally called "T80BV" Half of the information in the video are either misconceptions or outright lies, 30% is you confusing the original T80 (the initial, PRE-PRODUCTION model) with the T80B that is in game (T80 is NOT in the game. Only T80B and T80U are present, with the BV being the a researchable modification for T80B), and the rest 20% is somewhat correct and true. As somebody said, "how can I trust your videos, Spookston, when you say something as wrong as 'T80B's engine was bad'?" The B in T80B is there for a reason. The initial T80 tank genuinely had major problems (just like any other FIRST MODEL of the family) with its turbine engine, especially with the filtration system. Engineers surpassed those issues in the next iteration of a tank that was promptly named T80B and which was developed less than 2 years after the original T80 was made, along with many other issues like making the production more efficient which lowered the cost, installing new gearbox and transmission, new sights and so on. T80B literally has better composite armor, different turret, different firing system, different electronics and etc that the pre-production T80. You don't need secret documents to learn about it, you can literally read about it on Wikipedia. It's like making a video about an M1A1, but saying that the XM1 prototype from Chrysler had some issues and didn't have thermals. Soviets rarely or never used their "original, pre-production models" like T64, T72 or T80 for very long and proceeded to fix the issues pretty quick. That's why we have T64A, T72A and T80B in the game instead of their "models zero" And lastly, using a book published by an American author and defense consultant Steven Zaloga as THE ONE AND ONLY SOURCE for making a video about a SOVIET tank is the same as using some Russian dude describing an Abrams and calling it bad. It's automatically biased. But this channel has always been leaning to western technologies, so I'm not surprised at all lol

[@TomasJedno255]

Lol, triggered Russian fanboy.. go and spawn in your broken Ka-50 and ruin other peoples day, will you?

[@shrekrecker]

Yeah this video is bad

[@TAC-Peppa]

as far as i can tell you only have valid points,and youre right this video was some ass

[@jankozak3271]

@@TomasJedno255 Any counter-arguments or you're just shitposting?

[@worlds3061]

Thanks for spewing out facts

[@MrRazgriez666]

Can we change it from 18s to 30s on the reload? At least then they can't storm around and one shot half the team a minute in with their impossibly strong era on the hull

[@baroooga6787]

Where did you get that skin?

[@somethingcute6762]

after watching all ur vids: god damn, what vehicle I can truly believe????

[@Supernionra]

The T-80U also lacked a thermal sight unless it was the command variant

[@f86sabre92]

Why should the T80B with Kontakt be renamed to T80BV? I thought T80B had Kontakt 1, T80BV had Kontakt 5, while the T80BVM has Relikt.

[@lucass5980]

100% Chance for ammo to explode? Comrade, of course you mean 100% chance of Emergency Turret Ejection System activation)))) Best safety system for tank comrade)))))))

[@viper2-168]

That’s crazy

[@MrChainsawAardvark]

Anyone remember when War Thunder had a 1953 cut-off date because they were trying to focus on WWII equipment?

[@brickmastersk8658]

Gaijin could learn a thing or two if they watched these

[@8076A]

Really adding fuel time to tanks in general like with planes would be pretty interesting, especially if the maps got larger.

[@m1a1abrams3]

the t80u didnt have thermals either. it was the ud and ua that had therms i believe

[@MrPoliceW]

>due to comparatively low production rates,only four T-80Bs can be spawned per match Challenger 2, Leclerc and most of NATO tanks and alliances: Don't do that!!.

[@zongaaa6673]

The armor in the hull and turret should be 9000mm thick stalinium plates instead of the value shown in game

[@MrMurica]

2:17 is that a mistake or did the Soviets give T-80s to South Korea rather than North Korea

[@connormcloughlin7937]

When the Soviet Union dissolved, they gave a bunch of military equipment to South Korea to repay debts. It wasn’t only T80u’s, they also have some bmp’s, Metis-m ATGMs, some MANPADS. I thinks they gave some other stuff but I can’t find it.

[@WarthogCy]

Also Cyprus was the First foreign country to Officialy obtain the T80 with 54 T-80U and 28 T-80UK in total as of 2011