If We Create Our Life, Why Is It So Hard - If You Experience Frustration, This Is For You

[@dhurvishjhurry7675]

you must cling to your "self" not to your mind!🙂

[@Ben-zq6hg]

Pretty Awesome, direct and inspirational. I like the spaces between the words.... Thank you

[@JillMarieKelly]

@@Ben-zq6hg thank you. I appreciate your engagement and look forward to seeing you in the community again. 🙏🏼

[@2ndEndingVintage]

Thank you for posting this reply.I wrote an entire novel here and as I was writing I realized perhaps a comment on a YT is not the best way to discuss this. But here it is, anyway: I do understand that it isn't the egoic self that is, ostensibly, the creator of our universe. But I have a problem grasping that, in the transcendent state of connecting to the collective consciousness, or some might refer to it as the state of higher vibration - a state which I can achieve by meditation and self inquiry, this and that "sage" (a word I hate using but simply for the sake of clarity I will) suggest that we are able to shape our own reality, or manifest certain things within it. Pick a variety of such teachers: Mooji, Tolle, Adams, Singer et al. It is a common tenet, if you will. So I am not suggesting our egoic selves whip up our reality (we try to control it in the egoic state, and think by our actions we can shape it, but it always fails). So "your true nature just exists and is all powerful, and can be anything or everything it wants" My question remains the same, I guess. I accept that statement as true.. If so, why would our Pure Self, our transcendent self, our True Nature as you call it....want to remain in pain ? To create an existence so evasive and oftentimes so full of pain and suffering ? "Who is the Sufferer ?" as Mooji would suggest we ask ourselves. Yet I always have had a 'problem' with that exercise, that stepping back and being Observer. I can do it, but I believe the answer these sages desire us to give is: "my egoic self is the sufferer, not my transcendent self". But this doesn't ring true to me, it never has. Because pain, suffering, and Loss , in my experience, cut deeper and more resonant than just at the level of my egoic identity, my "character in the movie" so to speak. Deep pain, deep suffering, deep loss, in my experience, shake or grip the Core of our (my) being...and not just the heart of our (my) egoic being; it effects even my 'higher identity'. So, my answer to that question is not what the sages want me to say: "The sufferer... is my egoic self"...but for me, the answer is/can be, at times "this suffering is actually being felt by my Pure Self, my transcendent being, my core self, my higher vibrational being". So, for me, yes, the witnesser can be the sufferer - in my witnessing state there have been times when the pain and loss has been so great it is truly taking place at a deeper level than just the egoic self level. It feels deeper. Is it just me being 'stubborn' and refusing to let go of the small remaining piece of my egoic identity which is conditioned to be in pain (the "pain-body" per Tolle) ? Or is it truly what I experience it to be; a core suffering, beyond what the character in the movie is feeling ? A suffering and scarcity deeper than simply what my identity in the world of Maya experiences ? Thus the oft-spoken "you are the creator of your own reality" carries with it an intimation (and perhaps THIS is where I am getting it wrong) that the egoic self will never create a reality free from loss, suffering, want, scarcity. Which I would agree with....while the Higher Self CAN. For me it seems the higher state of consciousness also cannot shape (or reside within) an existence free of these things. If that makes sense. This is where I am stuck, oftentimes. But, as Robert Adams says... "The finite mind cannot grasp the infinite"....a hearfelt thank you for this, Jill. (-George)

[@JillMarieKelly]

Thank you for sharing, friend. I receive your inquiry with gratitude and deep regard. My response is layered as I don't want to plow through it; instead, I'd like to proceed with a gentle heart and great care, so my answer may not be complete in one reply. I understand your mind, your intellect, your seeking heart, and your frustration because I, too, once mirrored it completely. Your mind has all the information, the knowledge of the scriptures and different teachers. It's not the knowledge you are in need of. It sounds like you even meditate and may practice forms of devotion. So here is my first question: Q: What are your expectations from gaining knowledge and practicing devotion and how will you know when you "arrive" or get what you're seeking? In addition to the question above, I'd like to invite you to become aware of the teacher within. Your greatest guru is your Atman/True Nature. Which leads me to my second question for now. Q: Do you look to your Atman/True Nature/Inner Teacher for guidance? If so, how? What has been your experience with that? I look forward to our continued discussion. With great love - Your friend, Jill

[@2ndEndingVintage]

@@JillMarieKelly Hello. The answer to the first question is easy, and immediate and of it I am absolutely certain: Peace. The arrival is when I am at Peace. Period. The second question is harder to wrap myself around. I trust my Core. I at times rely upon it to navigate me. The 'problem' if you can call it that, is uncertainty. If I am my greatest teacher (and at times I agree with this...I was not put here as a tabula rasa, but rather a being who already possessed the wisdom and deep spirituality to navigate). The issue becomes, the egoic world, and Maya, suppresses our innate spirituality as well as our higher consciousness almost immediately out of the gate, so even my Core being, I sometimes wonder how solid its guidance is. Let me add to this one other thing, since you mentioned. Scriptures, deep research into teachings - notsomuch. I utilize and am drawn to those who HAVE done that, and who on a dime can whip out this name or that tale or quote from whatever - buddhism, hinduism, krishna, whatever. But I let them do the heavy researching and then disseminate that to me, where I can understand it in a somehwat 'repackaged' and 'delivered' fashion. Perhaps a bit lazy, as it requires you accept their interpretation. But interpretations which do not ring true to me ...I usually discard the teacher/pointer at some point. But of them all, I retain some. Perhaps this is what has led me to your videos (?) I have experienced great help and resonance by remaining open to being led to certain beings and teachings. I'll add - I have arrived here the way many have, and the way Ekhart, Mooji, etc point out is the common path: I had suffered enough, come to realize that there must be more to 'life' than this incredibly compromised existence we 'find' ourselves in. They both point out "when you have suffered enough you will begin to awaken...those still unawake have not reached that critical point yet". Last thing: ever since I was a child, am talking back to three years old, I have always 'known' there to BE a collective consciousness. I have always known it was there, or here. I'll stop here, I hope this answers what you have asked thus far. With Gratitude - G

[@atommachine]

It is great to get to this moment of knowing. great info.

[@JillMarieKelly]

Thank you. I look forward to engaging with you more in the community. 🙏🏼

[@Paradys8]

I like this subject. I guess the ‘Creator’ made us not perfect/ with an error.

[@JillMarieKelly]

Ask yourself who is judging that? And can you find that judge?

[@vnkman4391]

This really spoke to me. Funny old time I am going through, thanks for the video. You're an old soul for sure.x

[@JillMarieKelly]

You are so welcome

[@vnkman4391]

@@JillMarieKelly Just listening to a few of your videos. Have been doing a bit of budhism but also keen to explore just generally spirituality. Thanks for the videos.

[@vnkman4391]

It's so funny that you can radomly find someone on youtube andthey speak to you more than people close to you in your life. One of the few good points about the internet i guess...

[@JillMarieKelly]

@@vnkman4391 all paths of spirituality have some truth to them. The truth we seek is within.

[@JillMarieKelly]

@@vnkman4391 💯

[@sethspeaksdaily7260]

Thank you for this broadcast! Seth refers to 'all that is' all the time. I know that we are not the mind, the body or any points of view. The mind will never grasp what 'all that is' is. It's a mystery.

[@JillMarieKelly]

All That Is is the closest language can get to pointing towards Truth. The mind is the tool to experience - nothing more. 🙏

[@GeertMeertens]

Peace and joy is our essential nature. Consciousness, essentially happiness, is contentment. It is sheer perfection. Invulnerable. Only consciousness did not and will not change during your entire life. Only when you erroneously identify with the person (instead of consciousness) you can suffer. As in any dream. Until awakening.

[@JillMarieKelly]

🙏🏼

[@normancherry8732]

I believe it is whatever belief we believe in that becomes the cause of our problems, we all have different beliefs which gives distortion to other beliefs in that they create the confusion of what is true belief, so we've created a tangled web of combined beliefs that causes only the misunderstanding between us. Imagine if a great voice from the sky thundered a command, 'okay you lot, you've got a set time to come together under one belief system in order to harmonise the whole earth or else!' do you think you could come up with a solution? we have many world leaders who think they can, but they each do so by their own beliefs, yet beliefs are the cause of our problems, not the solution! such is the appropriation we give to beliefs, so what do you believe in?

[@JillMarieKelly]

@@normancherry8732 beliefs are just thoughts created by the mind as a form of protecting itself. I think sharing one’s direct experience and pov as a result of that personal experience is great. Pushing mind made belief systems telling people they are wrong or right or good or evil is wrong or creating a perceived problem then conjuring up a solution as a form of manipulation is also wrong. But to answer your question of what do I believe in - I believe in one consciousness , that we are all one, there is no real meaning other than the ones we give anything, we are divinity pretending to be humans playing a divine game we call life. Everyone has the right to think, feel, and be as they are. All is well.

[@normancherry8732]

We're all conscious no doubt, whether we're one consciousness, I'm not so sure! one consciousness sounds like a united consciousness on paper, but in practice there's a vast split out there where one of two sides will never see eye to eye with the other. If (as you say) beliefs are created by the mind as a form of self protection, then what has the mind got to protect itself from outside of other minds? not much I'd say! I agree that the pushing of belief systems is wrong, but if you have a belief, you're going to voice your opinions via that belief at certain times, so pushing a belief can't be avoided, it's how we communicate with others, it could be a trivial belief, but someone somewhere will take umbrage by it, beliefs have no purpose to them but we all have them, I don't relate to believing in something you can't evidence to yourself, experience is all we can believe anything through, but I'm finding the whole concept getting stranger the deeper you go, it may all just be one great rabbit hole and maybe even the portals have caved in so that there's no exit. The part where I wrote; "So what do you believe in?" that wasn't directly intended for you alone, it was there for others as well who might have read it, it was a generic remark. I've heard said before the comment; "we are divinity pretending to be humans playing a game we call life," do you think you would have come up with that statement of your own accord had it not already been a quote? my point being that you've taken that from another source that you've probably seen or heard yourself and liked the thought and so borrowed it, meaning you chose to believe what the originator of that statement believed, how does it make you feel that you've been given someone else's belief? also have you investigated the originator and where they got that idea from? it could just be a load of rubbish otherwise, these are questions the rabbit hole keeps accumulating, very curious those rabbits, very imposing in fact.

[@JillMarieKelly]

@ I understood your point completely. The mind defends itself to keep itself/ego alive. And my engagement is purely for connection, not proving this right or that wrong etc. the divine play - that wording was absolutely borrowed, but I had a direct personal experience I formerly had no words for until I heard that. I don’t know if I would’ve understood it had I not had that particular experience. It’s all good. Whatever is just is. Our true nature cannot be touched. We’re here for experience. I always enjoy your contributions here.

[@normancherry8732]

You're very fortunate Jill to experience in the way you do and aren't as involved in the depths as I am, you seem to be looking through the intricacies of the puzzle while I'm kind of snagged or mixed in among parts of the puzzle that aren't part of me and so I am left struggling in a personal hell that years of convoluted teachings have left me confused in, so much so that I find myself having to dissect and analyse everything I come across and it's like a one step forward, two steps back process I go through, strangers shouldn't be allowed to teach children, I find it amazing how kids who had bad teaching methods thrust upon them at school and knew it, nevertheless sent their own children to the same school to receive the same bad experiences, I find I'm still dealing with issues I inherited at school and that just shouldn't be, I could have done with some psychological help along the way but I just kept getting overlooked, so the only conclusion I can reach out of all my experiences is that my help is to be found in God alone, because everyone I've spoken to on the subjects concerning me can't offer any substantial reprieve. Hence it transpires that being born into a Catholic environment, I had no personal choice of belief, so I embraced the belief I got, you don't actually know you're at the start of a psychological f#*☆ up at the age of seven, it all looks safe by outward appearances, but when you get older, the Catholic demons come out, (this only occurs I expect if like me, you've got a genuine interest in seeking the meaning to your life) if only every Catholic knew the reality, some of Catholicisms slime is seeping out through the veneer, but beneath it all, it would shock the whole world if it were all exposed, real hell would arise out of it, no one knows! So you see Jill, that's partially as to why I come from the direction I do, it's hard working things through on your own, it takes much longer to get to where you want to go, because you've only got yourself to trust in and you've only got the info that comes through the same sources you've been putting to trust in and dealing with in the past, that's not very comforting, you can see what I'm up against, so if I write anything else to you and you can remember this, it might help you to realise you're only dealing with a nutter, ah ah aah!

[@1rsalc]

JM thanks for posting this video. Today I was ruminating about this: I sometimes eat out and, while waiting for my food to be served, I would like to use that time to connect with the silence within. I don't want to close my eyes and do a mini-meditation, so I'm not sure how to accomplish it! 🙁 This is what I do: I stare at the wall thinking to myself: "I am witnessing the wall and chatter around me." Then I try to connect with the silence I sometimes feel in meditation but I can't. What should I focus my mind on when "hurrying up and waiting" (in a restaurant, at the doctor's office, etc)? ❔ P.S. Thanks to your video, I no longer feel frustrated when I witness what I described above. 😄

[@JillMarieKelly]

It sounds like you’re already doing it! You’re remaining in a state where you’re the observer. Meditation can be just that in that scenario. You may not be able to connect with the silence you feel in those environments because your awareness is split which makes sense. You’re aware of being the observer and also aware you’re in a state of waiting to be called or receive your order.

[@1rsalc]

@@JillMarieKelly Thanks for your reply. I appreciate it very much. Lately I've become aware that I used to "blow up" at "annoying situations". Now, when they happen, I try to witness them from a higher level. I am learning to "turn inwardly" throughout the day, and I am automatically becoming thankful.

[@JillMarieKelly]

@ beautiful!

[@alienoverlordsnow1786]

❤👍✌💯

[@RajVerma-mt5tw]

Till the time I am feeling, frustration is on demand will present all the time and when remain only feeling, there's nothing...

[@JillMarieKelly]

Yes. Thank you for sharing. Suffering can only persist when we water it and feed it with identifying with it. Thank you, friend.

[@kennethlapointesongwriter3330]

Certainly. You are that which is back of, 'behind', your thoughts, etc. Who's thinking them? Who's looking at something and knowing what they're look at? You're not a thing, you're the creator of things. You 'assume' identities. You consider you're this or that, but you're that which is back of doing the assuming or considering. Hard to grasp for anyone so stuck or used to thinking they ARE something, this or that. You're not your body or name anymore than you're your car or ID. You can SAY your are, or pretend you are, or think you are...but you aren't.

[@JillMarieKelly]

@@kennethlapointesongwriter3330 👏👏👏💯

[@A.Vagrant]

We reincarnate in different bodies in different lives in order to experience different facets of universal consciousness. How does it make any sense to try to "transcend" out of your current life? Why not just be patient and live THIS life as THIS identity? It happens to be the only way. Spiritual bypass isn't gonna get anyone any closer to enlightenment, and neither is navelgazing.

[@JillMarieKelly]

@@A.Vagrant there is nothing to be enlightened and nothing to bypass. All is as it is.

[@A.Vagrant]

@@JillMarieKelly yes, and the 3d is also as it is.

[@freddypateman]

Y r u making a video

[@JillMarieKelly]

One reason only. To help those seeking it.

[@freddypateman]

Very basic

[@JillMarieKelly]

@@freddypateman exactly. Truth is always simple.