If you bought these Macs, I'm sorry...

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A few years ago you would have needed to spend thousands to get a powerful Mac for college, video editing, or high productivity applications. However, since Apple Silicon replaced Intel Macs, the tables have turned. No longer do you need to spend thousands to get pro level performance; but this has some side effects. Intel Macs vs Apple Silicon have depreciated massively, and if you bought in at the end of the Intel days, your Mac is probably worth WAY less than you paid... today we'll examine what happened!
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[@MrTomEast]

Watching the video on a 2019 16 inch MacBook Pro 🙂

[@Lucas-ku6gl]

Same here 🙃

[@souvikhalder1510]

watching on 15inch air😅

[@raifolson7033]

I think the 2019 16 inch MBP is actually not a terrible value. It is the best performing x86 MacBook and so you could easily dual boot windows or Linux with good performance. I am triple booted to get the best of three worlds

[@OliverHinz]

I just gave ours to my intern and he is happy

[@JohnJStanton]

Me too…the only halfway nice thing is that I wore it out and Apple replaced it with a new one under AppleCare. So… should I upgrade to a new MB Air? My computer is literally only 3 months old because of Apple giving me a brand new replacement. To tell you the truth I use my large iPad Pro 3 times mor than that laptop. I have an ancient PC on my desktop with 3 monitors, one is a good 30”, the others are 27”. If I could buy an iMac 27” (or 30” or 32”) with an M2 or M3 processor I would grab it. Oh well, my buddy just bought a Mac Studio M1 two weeks before the M2 version came out. His M1 Studio is maxed out, and he bought the Studio Monitor as well, it was over $5000. He claims he is still happy…

[@squanchy474]

Being able to run x86 windows and do some light gaming is a redeeming quality for the old MacBooks.

[@esseferio]

Agreed. Mainly the x86 Windows part.

[@pearelectronics3083]

The windows part is useful but if you really want to game you can buy a laptop with a core i7 9th or 10th gen and 2070m for the same price and it will easily beat the MacBook in gaming performance

[@pooriakhosravi9415]

A m1 air and ps5 worth more

[@MuzikJunky]

I needed an Intel Mac before the big switch, so the Pro with with the i9 and the 5600m with HBM were essential. Peace.

[@makermelissa]

Very true. I have an 8 year old MacBook Pro that runs Windows 11 without breaking a sweat.

[@DJTechYT]

I actually bought one of those 16” MacBook Pros for $700. I desperately needed an upgrade from my 2013 MBP, and while Apple Silicon Macs are incredible, I still need to run x86 Windows occasionally, so getting a 16” Intel MBP was the best option for me. Plenty of performance and the battery life is good enough, I’m happy with it.

[@mahboisph]

I too got an i9 16GB and 1Tb for $750. Should last for another 5-7yrs

[@nicerdycer7872]

I don't think so haha. When switching from PowerPC to Intel, Apple stopped supporting PowerPC on the latest OSX after 3 years. Apple will definitely not support the Intel architecture for much longer, I think it will be in 2025 at the latest. But you can use Win11/12 then...

[@utterlee]

Suspect the M1s are coming down in price fast because there is absolutely no way to upgrade them, and also Apple themselves are deep discounting on their Refurbished store, so that’s going to force second hand prices right down.

[@edunet-lk507]

Yes, no customer repairability is hitting back!

[@TheWutangclan1995]

Don't forget the rumors of Apple throttling all their old hardware to make people buy a brand new device.

[@visions1818]

I sold mine as soon as I saw what Apple silicon could do and still took a huge loss

[@bryans8656]

I was able to get a fair price for my 2018 Mac mini but it was mostly luck.

[@udance4ever]

didn't know Apple was in the silicone biz! 😉

[@SuperSocks7]

I think that unironically, at that price point and spec the 16 inch MacBook Pro is a good buy just to bootcamp and use as a windows device.

[@pauljazzman408]

Is gaming good under boot camp and steam?

[@Blobkiller]

@@pauljazzman408 I used to play warzone on a 16 inch pro. Actually wasn’t bad and that was the base model

[@SuperSocks7]

@@pauljazzman408 it can be, its not perfect but its incredibly good for what it is. The motherboard wasn't designed around running windows, but at the end of the day with the intel chip it's practically identical in all the important ways to any other windows machine.

[@patrickpl94]

Hook it up to a eGPU enclosure with a decent card and you get a great gaming setup. First hand experience of this.

[@DariusHOward]

@@pauljazzman408i have played nier automata on it with no problems

[@BattleDroid0402]

I did what Luke mentioned at the end of the video, and went with a used M1 Pro 16", used to have an M1 13" Air. Got it for $1350 and was barely used from a car tuner who had it as a backup laptop.

[@Cassp0nk]

My 16” 2019 i9 is still great. I also like that it is smaller and lighter than the replacement. Also works better for docker and music plugins. It also cost a fortune as 32gb/2tb!

[@PolluxChung]

That's very similar to the PPC > Intel transition. The G5 towers and G4 Powerbooks were so hard to get rid of during that time. I took a very huge loss in order to get rid of my Power Mac G5 dual.

[@mavfan1]

Mac fans don't like to acknowledge that Intel was better than Power PC chips.

[@MrMoogle]

As someone who bought a fairly well equipped G4 PowerBook at that time, I recall this very well, haha.

[@chriscalderon1337]

I'm kinda glad this happened because I was able to get my first Macs when I was a broke student. I got a dual 1.25GHz PowerMac G4 for free and later a G5 Quad for $100. Even the G4 was an upgrade over the Pentium 4 Windows box I was daily driving...

[@haysoos123]

@@mavfan1 That was the whole reason for the transition, so almost everyone acknowledged that Intel was better. PowerPC was competitive for a time, and then they fell behind. It's as simple as that. And now, when Intel wasn't doing it for Apple, they went to something better.

[@lancetheb.m.c]

⁠​⁠@@mavfan1As big as a Apple fan I am, even I knew that Intel was better than Power PC, even though I got a steal of a deal on my Polycarbonate G4 macbook😊

[@thatretailguru]

I had a 2019 16 inch MacBook Pro up until 2 weeks ago and liked it for the most part being that it had a great display and was thin. But the machine was very loud and hot under load. The location of the vents meant that my legs would block the vents at the back, which meant I had to use it on a desk. I recently upgraded to a 2023 MacBook Pro 16 inch with 512GB ssd and 16 GB of ram!! It’s a huge improvement. All day battery life, super fast, fans never go on full blast, and having the ports back is amazing! It is a little thicker than the old one but for the better cooling it’s well worth it

[@unCoopervised]

I paid just over $3000 for a 16 inch MacBook Pro in April 2020. Fortunately, I sold it in March 2021 for $1800. That felt like a huge mark down and loss even at that time. It was what I needed at the time, but super frustrating as it would shut down from overheating if I had too many things open at once. Got $1000 M1 MacBook Air with 16 GB of RAM from Apple's refurbished store, and it has yet to crash under a heavy workload. I'm going to stick with it until it dies. Who knows, maybe by then I can get a refurbished M4 or M5 15 inch Air. Or maybe there will be an iPad that supports macOS. I can dream can't I! 😬

[@trikster.online]

macOS on an iPad Pro is my dream as well.

[@HaswellCore]

woah, you never run out of ram on the m1? happens to me quite often, thank god i never bought a pre-m1 MBP

[@THE-COOL-GIRL-CHANNEL]

SEE A PSYCHIATRIST. THE RULE: NEVER PAY MORE THAN $500.00 DOLLARS FOR ANY LAPTOP.

[@unCoopervised]

@@THE-COOL-GIRL-CHANNEL maybe $700.

[@watermelonraintv]

I bought my early 2019 15" with RAM upgrade for a good price in feb 2021 and don't regret it. It was in like-new condition and I paid half the price of the base model 14" M1, haven't had any issues with the keyboard or performance since I don't use it for heavy tasks, and very happy with how thin and light it is. I mostly wanted the bigger screen. A 15" air would be perfect for me, but still hundreds more than what I paid for this machine more than a year ago, so I think it'll be sticking around a few more years at least.

[@musicharrygiles]

just got one for my birthday for £900 (i9 32gb ram 5300m) and i'm honestly really happy with it, the seller got the battery, keyboard and touch bar replaced recently and it's in perfect condition. im fully aware that i'm missing out on insane apple silicon performance but it satisfies plentifully for what i need it for (music production and video editing)

[@estebancarrasquero4504]

Whats up? Bro i was thinking to buy a 16 inch mb pro for music production, my actual laptop it’s a Lenovo with 8 gb of ram, how is your experience with the 2019 mb pro? Do you recommend buying one or wait for the m1?

[@estebancarrasquero4504]

Whats up? Bro i was thinking to buy a 16 inch mb pro for music production, my actual laptop it’s a Lenovo with 8 gb of ram, how is your experience with the 2019 mb pro? Do you recommend buying one or wait for the m1?

[@jivexero]

I’m a software developer and bought the 2016 MBP fully loaded when it came out. I’m typing this comment on it right now. I have a love / hate relationship with it. I bought it because it was touted that the cooling issues where resolved with this MBP. That is just not true. The think throttles and the fans blast UNLESS you are in a room that is 65 - 70 degrees. That being said, I also literally run 4 old thunderbolt displays off of it and a ton of peripherals (audio interface, 2 stream decks mouse, keyboards, hard drives) and it pushes all of that as long as I’m in a cool room. I got my money’s worth out of this machine with the amount I made on it. But I still regret getting it. I wish I just waited one year later. That being said, I’m going to get a fully loaded M2 Mac Studio to replace it and not look back. I’ll use this as my “in the bed” or “on the couch” or “in the kitchen” machine. It will no longer be my daily driver, and just a casual mobile machine for light work.

[@th0m]

Writing this from a 2019 16" 2.3GHz i9/32GB/8GB/1TB I bought new. Zero regrets. Not having to deal with the transition has absolutely been worth it. I do hardware/software development and integration for a startup. This has given me the flexibility to do most of the things I've needed as my primary machine without having to deal with any kind of dependency compatibility issues etc. Also don't see any reason to upgrade at this point at all. I mostly run in clamshell mode mounted on the wall, heatsink + vrm "modded" and an aggressive fan profile (loud environment regardless). This is still way more stable and convenient to use than my 7900x machine. I don't think AS has egpu support still and haven't heard any mentions of it being a future offering. Feels weird not itching to upgrade, but I don't need to fully rebuild my development environment. I appreciate all those who are finding the quirks, fixing bugs, and making the platform more usable in the meantime though!

[@Deadkandy]

I still have my 2019 MBP 16” and I still love it. I’m still not ready to change it even though Apple Silicon exists. I do have the i9 version.

[@emilsecker7881]

Agreed. I have the same i9

[@imserdar]

Same, I have i9-9980HK version. As a software dev this machine gets the job done with no issues. Bootcamp is also a great bonus.

[@LouisLuzuka]

How much ram

[@LouisLuzuka]

@@emilsecker7881how much ram u got

[@LouisLuzuka]

@@imserdar😮 u max the ram?

[@nateengle162]

2020 was the first year I became truly "tech literate" and I bought a 2019 13" MBP with the base i5 and the base storage. I saw Apple Silicon and got a 13" MBP as a test fully intending to return it because "It's just a year, how much improvement could they possibly make?" I ended up just keeping it. 3 years later, here I sit after getting heavy into photography and multimedia with my 14" M2 Max with 64GB of RAM and 2TB of storage. I think I'd cry if I ever had to use an Intel machine again, especially for what I do now.

[@RedRaven65782]

The 2019 16" was my first MacBook. I had the base model, since I was only using it for video editing smaller projects at FHD. It had a lot of defects, but overall wasn't the worst computer I had. I got an M1 Max base model, and it's so much better. The 2019 felt like a pretty mediocre laptop with good software, whereas the 2021 feels like a really good laptop with good software. So glad I was able to upgrade, and give my old one to my partner.

[@thatretailguru]

I have to agree with you, I had the same one, it was a good machine relative to the other Mac’s and it had the updated keyboard. I also upgraded to a 2023 MacBook Pro 16 and it’s miles better with it being faster and having the ports. I liked my intel back in the day but the apple silicon was much better

[@cjgonzales1900]

I bought my 2019 MacBook Pro 16 in March of 2020. And have never regretted it. It’s perfect for what I have needed and still works great. Only thing I want from the new ones is better battery life. I am planning on upgrading to the new 16 in 2024 sometime.

[@Anvillgroup]

Lol me too. There’s a whole community of buyers that don’t need the latest and greatest.

[@joelhawkins638]

⁠@@Anvillgroupplus you can use bootcamp to run windows

[@Yewbzee]

There are folk who drive the old Volkswagen Beetles and still love them. It gets them from A to B.

[@KC-bi9jw]

you are a reasonable person, I applaud you

[@armandobenard2251]

I bought the mid-tier i9 2019 16” MBP a year ago for $1,000 on Amazon renewed. I went through all of Luke’s videos. So far it’s been an excellent purchase I’m replacing the battery under Apple care which was included and has still four months left. Zoom calls all day long and boot camp on Windows 11 to play recent AAA games, it can do it all. I was thinking of replacing with the 15” MBA but to have the same performance and losing Windows I’m sticking with it until Apple drops support.

[@stevengray6055]

Luke -- your video convinced me to buy a 2019 MacBook Pro 16 inch / i9 / 32GB / 512GB / 5300M for $855 off of eBay (with a 1 year warranty). This way I can ride out the M1 and M2 series until the M3 comes out in 2024. And just like you pointed out, if the M1's are already dropping in price, imagine what the M2's will be selling for on eBay in 2024.

[@jayandgem]

What are you waiting for? If you're not using it for your profession, I get it. Otherwise, get your work done on the best machine.

[@leonardovmusic476]

Last November I bought a refurbished MacBook Pro Retina 15.4-inch (2019) - Core i9 - 32GB - SSD 1024GB for a total of $1,062.40. It's a great machine for what I do with music production. In a couple of years will get a 3nm silicone Macbook Pro .

[@jaegan438]

The issue with apple silicon not holding it's value is less about the "processor" and more the "system on a chip" problem. ram isn't upgradeable, and storage isn't upgradeable. while the RAM doesn't wear out, the storage definitely does and it doesn't make sense to buy non-upgradeable storage of unknown lifespan.

[@lechuck2011]

It is truth that storage wear out with time. But to be honest, I've never seen a device that had to be changed because the storage was broken due to lifespan. I have laptops with more than 7 years with the same SSD(and not high end quality SSD). So, even tough you buy a 2 or 3 years old laptop the biggest chances are you are going to replace it because lack of power, software obsolescence and not because the internal storage is wore out

[@jaegan438]

@@lechuck2011 I'm daily driving 12-13 year old machines, with upgrades. I haven't worn out any of my ssd's either, but the thing is, if I do, they can be replaced. Apple silicon machines, not so much. From my understanding, you can't even easily boot the machines from external drives after the internal dies, so they really will be worthless, and that's just sad.

[@davidempire4874]

I think the 2019 16" MBP if found for under $1000 is a great deal.

[@crispybottom]

For sure, they are still amazing laptops built to a much higher price point than they are sold at now - most Windows laptops can't compete, and those that can (like the Razer Blade) suffer from reliability issues. Also, Bootcamp.

[@aarohanyt7374]

Depends on what you want . Battery life is way superior on a m1 air😊

[@aarohanyt7374]

And the m1 air goes for lie $700

[@davidempire4874]

@@aarohanyt7374 For some people, an immersive display is more important.

[@debajyotidutta007]

So basically, I have the same 16" i9 9980HK, 32GB DDR4 and 4GB 5300M and I like to work on it majorly because of Bootcamp. Game a little bit and enjoying the dual boot. But on the other hand, my wife has an M1 Air with 8GB RAM and 256GB SSD, she is happy with that as her major tasks are watching movies and browsing web. At the end of the day, we both are happy with our machines as it solves our "purpose" (and basically since these both are our secondary machines, office Windows laptops being the first). At times, you do have to understand that what you have meets the need, it really doesn't matter. :)

[@FiscalWoofer]

For me it’s all about the software, and audio software seems to take longer to port than others and sometimes not at all. I’m still booting an intel machine in mavericks as the software won’t run on anything newer! I have newer machines for web etc but they don’t need to be super fast just responsive.

[@tjdw5251]

I did in fact get the 16" in 2020 for University and as a replacement for my late 2013 15" MacBook Pro. if I had known then what I know now, cost £3999 and it gets hot all of the time but for editing short films and stuff it worked pretty well before any masks or colour grading was applied. Just got myself a Mac Studio as I have finished uni now and can get a desktop and oh ma god it is so cool. I don't even know what to do with my MacBook Pro anymore. But it worked for me and was a HUGE upgrade from trying to edit stuff on my 2013 for college but goddamn this Mac Studio is a revelation, and it doesn't even get hot.

[@tds9058]

I got a 16 inch midrange model in Christmas of 2019 as a replacement for my 2015 MacBook Pro 13, still using it today. But a year later, my family got a max spec Mac Mini M1, and the performance of that for less than half the price of my MacBook was absolutely insane…

[@jasondang9051]

Saw at Staples a couple of months ago the 2019 16 inch MacBook Pro was on clearance but was $2000

[@jonogrimmer6013]

Last month I bought a 2019 16” MacBook Pro 2.4 i9 for £600. Very happy as it’s in pretty new condition & only use it for graphic design/ photoshop & illustrator. Still probably should have saved up for M1/M2 but for the price I paid I’m happy.

[@rhoderzau]

I was in the same position - had the 2019 i9 16" and was so happy it had an escape key (as a developer) and then the M1 MBA came out and suddenly I was able to have a powerful Mac that didn't break my back, lasted longer and ran cool. I should have sold the i9 immediately but kept it around a couple of years and ended up not getting very much for it. Now I'm selling an M1 Ultra Mac Studio and finding that the M2 Max Mac Studio is enough of an improvement that most are opting for that over the M1 Ultra.

[@EleanorMcHugh]

I had the fully-loaded 560x MacBook Pro that I picked up when the 16” came out for half its original price. Never got on with the Butterfly keyboard so it mostly ended up docked with an eGPU and external keyboard & trackpad. In many ways the 2015 MBP is superior even with its slow graphics and Haswell-era CPU. I switched to an M1 Air in 2021 and the baseline performance is phenomenal given the lower power consumption but I missed my eGPU and Bootcamp and running x86 VMs so I now have an i9 16” with the 8GB 5500M and 64GB of RAM. I picked that up on eBay last year for a fraction of its list price and it’s been my daily driver ever since. That 1” extra screen space is amazing. At some point I’d like to upgrade to a fully loaded 5600M but it’s rare to see any model in the UK with that and the import duty from the US isn’t currently worth it. I’m also thinking of selling the M1 Air as I’ve a couple of homebuild 2017 Macbook 12” machines that take up that bit less space in my bag. Their Butterfly keyboards are quite pleasant to type on (maybe the only real use case for them was in such a slim machine) and recent macOS updates allow the screen to be run at higher than 900p resolution. Mostly I use them for coding on the go and Keynote, both of which they handle admirably. The days of the Intel Macs are clearly numbered in terms of macOS support but they’re still great bits of kit and unlike Apple Silicon there are plenty of alternative operating systems for them. The MacBook 12 running Windows or Linux is far more elegant than any of the PC alternatives and the prices on eBay are ludicrously low for their build quality, performance, and the general ease with which parts can be swapped out. Now if only Apple would launch a modern Macbook 12 with a single USB4 port and a down-clocked M1 or M2 processor.

[@Danko88]

I fired up my 2015 Mac Pro 15 inch , funny how the fan runs basically all the time when doing anything intense. Dont miss it at all except the 15 inch screen which I ordered the M2 Air 15 cant wait.

[@adamwilson4223]

I bought a 2019 16 inch (used) base model back in January for $700. It has AppleCare through August 2024 (this definitely influenced pulling the trigger on this purchase). I have to say that I do not regret my decision AT ALL. I also have an M1 Air (16gb version, bought at launch). I do love the M1 Air for certain tasks and situations, but I find myself using the Intel 16” much more. Being able to run Windows via Bootcamp is just a special thing. It’s like having two computers in one. It’s plenty powerful for my needs and has a big beautiful screen and awesome speakers. To be honest Touch ID and Apple Watch unlock work faster (and more reliably) on my Intel Mac. I know it will never be worth a whole lot resale wise, but I already bought it secondhand for dirt cheap. I will use it for a couple more years at the very least. Great computer.

[@LoLStaticX]

I've had my Late-2013 15in retina up until February, when I've got a refurbished 14in M1 Pro. It feels like I'm gonna hold this one for the next 10 years.

[@sharonb.9128]

Great video. Luke I think you are “misremembering” the transition slightly. The Intel MacBook was a MUST when plenty of people predicted the Apple silicon chip would be a failure! How many tech experts were skeptical about Apple basically putting an “IPAD” chip in their laptops? ARM, seriously? Apple was a laughing stock and MANY buyers refused to buy the M1 and HAPPILY choose the Intel model. Hindsight is 20/20 but fear of a weak processor on top of the belief that optimizing would take years had many buyers passing on M1 initially.

[@John-do9ei]

Yeah, this channel got a lot bigger when Luke basically nailed the predictions of M1 performance when everyone else was classic Apple doomsaying.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

hmm i think you should reconsider your news sources ;)

[@pauljazzman408]

Yes Luke I bought one of those 2019 i7 MacBook pro's in 2020 partly on your recommendation as it fixed the butterfly keyboard problem. I still have it and it's fine, but I didn't want to sell and' take a bath'. My MacBook had £200 off the Apple price so I think the dealers had been forwarned. When did you guess Apple silicon was coming out? I've since bought a M2 Pro Mac mini which is much faster as my desk top machine. I think I previously bought the white 2006 MacBook with the core duo just before the core2 duo came out. So I should be used to buying laptop just before a whole new generation comes out!

[@kakakarim]

I got my 16 inch back when I worked at apple for a pretty good discount and it still performs well, the fans are loud under workload and the battery is pretty trash when editing, but still love this thing. This to me is the perfect MacBook, the compromises of the M1 chip software restrictions and the terrible QC on the prior MacBooks places this as the one that come out of the battle victorious.

[@jimjimhuerta]

Ya wanna buy my 16in then?😅😂😂😂

[@kakakarim]

@@jimjimhuerta why would I buy yours if I have a more than capable one brev

[@rolf7135]

I also like my 16 inch 2019 MBP. It is considerable quiter than my last Macbook, a Macbook Pro 15" mid 2015 Core I7, ever was . I miss Magsafe and some other than USB C built in ports. Do not plan on selling my MBP so second hand price does not matter.

[@mountainclimbr]

Mine was super bad and I had to use the dGPU all the time otherwise it would crash and lag like crazy when typing lol, I’m glad I sold that piece of junk and got the 14” M1 Pro

[@blvkqmusicgroup]

How much is Apple employee discount?

[@balazskovari4814]

Depends on your use case, but I like the option of an eGPU - and that right now means an intel based MBP.

[@MichaelBilenko]

Got 16“ in end of 2019. Performance was very solid, did lot of work using this machine, productivity increased, so it was worth it. Only complaint was freaking noise and overheating.

[@eddymanuelemrt]

i got a 2018 15.4 inch macbook pro, It's an i7, 16gb ram and 512gb storage. I'm a marketer so i will mainly use it for office work and light video and image editing, costed me around $600 US 2 weeks ago. was it a good buy? also note that i bought it in Dominican Republic, so prices here are 18% to 25% higher than what you see in the US because of import taxes. Did spend quite sometime researching and didn't really came across any thermal throttling video, when i looked up recent reviews. Overall sorta satisfied with performance.

[@CarlosStorms]

My colleagues at the office still use 2019 16”, I am on a 16” M1 base model, they don’t seem to complain. I think they are still usable, I would get one under 1000 if I needed one

[@mavfan1]

Luke lives in a different world where people upgrade every year. Occasionally he'll acknowledge this but then it's right back to calling machine that he fawned over a couple of years ago, obsolete even though it still performs fine for the people that use it.

[@CarlosStorms]

@@mavfan1 I get it his job is to be opinionated, and excited about the new thing. It is also true that the value left on those Intel models is very bad. I guess if you own one and still works, you’ll keep it until it dies. That what most of us do anyway. I agree

[@jasondang9051]

The only reason I would want to get the 2019 MacBook pro 16 inch is because of the design and reliable keyboard. I like the only usb c minimalistic MacBook design more than the new design. But with the price of it being over $1000 make it not worth it

[@CinePals]

The price you mentioned at 4:27 is the same price Apple is willing to give you at trade in for a late 2021 MacBook Pro with maxed out specs ($6500 at initial purchase I believe). 2019 was 3 years ago. If you've used the machine as a business tool and made your money with it or gotten your use out of it, I think that $1500 isn't the worst for the 2019 MacBook Pro, especially a machine on the old hardware with Intel. Computers have depreciated worse than cars for a while now so I try to keep things in the perspective of, what is the machine for? If it has served it's purpose for me, a quarter of what I've paid for it initially probably makes sense 3 or 4 years later. It certainly doesn't feel good, but I get it. That being said, I also understand the frustration of someone buying a machine that becomes completely outclassed with a level up machine just a short while later. The release of the M1 Pro laptop had me scrambling fast to figure out a game plan to upgrade after getting the 2019 Intel edition.

[@MinhNgo-qj1bt]

I don’t have a MacBook but I want to buy one with 16 inch but should I wait till the new one come out ? Like the M3 as I heard it’s come out soon. What spec should I get for do video editing. Please advise. Thank you !

[@Rareos]

My decked out 2018 was insanely expensive and poorly timed and because the touchbar flashes around and it needs a new battery, I couldn’t give it away..but happy it’s given me 5 years and counting of intensive work, albeit loudly and pretty slowly. I felt so cheated when the M1 came but glad I’ve been able to hold off for M2 ultra.

[@sam_cs_49er]

I’ve upgraded from a 2015 macbook pro 15 inch to m2 MacBook Pro 13 inch (originally wanted m1 pro/max 14 inch) and i gotta say it’s a HUGE upgrade for me granted the whole supply chain on microchips being postponed for many months on ssd/ram configuration. Overall, i really love apple silicon and for a backup/play-around experiment old mac i’d get 2015-17 macbook air or 2020 Intel macbook pro 13 inches for 100 and 500 below respectively.

[@Chicken.]

What made you get the weird 13 inch, I didn't know anybody bought those

[@sam_cs_49er]

@@Chicken. supply chain issues when i wanted to get the 14 inch MacBook Pro

[@stuartaparker]

I bought a 16" i9 2.3 with 64GB RAM, 2TB SSD and 5500m on the apple refurb store for £3200 in May 2020. I don't regret buying it at all as I still have windows compatibility, which is important to me.

[@julianperry4767]

I'm rocking the 2021 M1 Pro MacBook Pro 14" and it's been day and night difference from the older Intel chips. I develop iPhone apps with Xcode and work remotely with TeamViewer and Parallels. The fact I do this all on just 16GB of RAM buttery smooth is insane. I haven't been able to choke this MacBook yet. Will eventually upgrade to 32GB Mac Studio with M2 Max/Ultra when I get further along with Xcode.

[@cadenchurchill4296]

Reminds me of how I nearly bought a 2018 MacBook Pro. Decided to wait instead and hold on to my PC, then later upgraded to the M1 MacBook Air for about $600 CAD less than the Pro would have cost me and this is a MUCH better laptop. Going to be quite some time before the Air is worth upgrading for me. Considering how much better it is than the Intel Macs, I would have really regretted it had I gone with the older Pro.

[@grouchyfluff]

luke i just gotta say, you have never missed with an outro song. bangers only. keep it up

[@MisterTechnologic]

I got my M1 Pro 14” a month ago refurbished for $1300 and it’s amazing. I’m glad it was such a low price or it would’ve been a no-go after I broke the screen on my 2017 15”. I almost bought a 16” for $700 and until I got this M1 I was unaware of the buck converter issue that kills so many 16” MBPs and leaves the data unrecoverable with no warning. Dodged a bullet

[@lucaNyc]

What's crazy is that I have a MacBook Pro late 2016, the first one with the new design and they still sell it. (with different components inside of course), but still works perfectly lol.

[@applegamingse]

Funny enough, this is the exact model of MBP I'm trying to buy right now (keeping an eye out for a good deal) for the better x86 game support. As more games are brought over via GPTK I'm sure the need for it will be lessened, but until then it seems like the better way to go.

[@debajyotidutta007]

On M1 Parallels, you basically use the ARM windows and have to get stuck with emulation. So, at the end of the day, Bootcamp is still a point to buy these 2019 intel macs.

[@GreasePotato]

if you wanna game dont buy a Mac, its as simple as that

[@emptyrepublic]

I imagine the depreciation issue of first-gen Apple silicon is related to declining Mac sales for the first half of this year, though I'm surprised to see M1 systems fall so far. I'm curious if this is a market correction after insane sales in 2022.

[@junaidsiddiquemusic]

I still have the 2019 i9 16inch MBP and I love that thing, I use it everyday for my work it's still great for what I do.

[@gaggiholm]

Yes there are situations where a 16inch Macbook Pro makes sense. In our company we have to use Windows for developing our software and also industrial PLC software. We used Macbooks with Parallels running virtual Windows. That was better than running native on a PC and the virtualization gave many advantages. Even today with a 2022 PC running Windows in VMWare the 16inch Macbook is better and much much more stable. Unfortunately you can’r run a x86 Windows in Parallels on a M Macbook, the software like VPN clients we need for supporting our customers doesn’t run on an Arm based Windows. That’s why we unfortunately have to switch to PC and VMWare.

[@user-gb8nx8qr2z]

If you buy any computer, be it laptop or desktop, Intel or ARM, and use it to earn hundreds of times its purchase price, then it is well worth its price, whatever that price is. If you buy a computer to sit around idle or just play games rather than earn money then you are not getting your money's worth, no matter what the purchase price was... People buy various brands and styles of automobiles because they like their appearance or seat comfort or cargo capacity or acceleration or reliability or entertainment system etc. Computers are no different.

[@johnmax5808]

Luke, please make an in-depth review of the 15 MBA with real world tests! Plz!🙏

[@tomskitv]

Happened when we went from the G4 and G5 to intel chips. Long time users have seen this over and over. Those 2019 i9's will have a much shorter system support life.

[@space5273]

Gotta love my 15” MBP from 2018

[@joshbobby]

I bought the £4000 15" 2018 pro (top spec at the time) and have had nothing but issues with it. Got a second hand M1 Pro MacBook to use as a work laptop from ebay for just over £1000 and it's flawless (and not once have I heard the fans come on, unlike my 2018 where the fans spin to 100% as soon as it starts up). Still annoyed that I got the laptop with so big thermal issues (which wasn't known at the time that I bought it)...

[@penguru21]

I'm looking for a 2019 16" because I want a big screen macbook with a big harddrive. I don't do anything intense so it will be fine. It seems the 2019 16" has the improve keyboard so that shouldn't be an issue. My M1 Macbook Air will be kept also.

[@thangdamminh6338]

in Vietnam there's seller who sell these Intel Macbook Pro 16 inch brand new, sealed (albeit with MDM preinstalled) for $1000! They will also support with the MDM removal too

[@jeffrey3498]

I have an M1 Air and a 16" M1 Pro but my daily driver is a 2019 16" i9. I just love the way it looks and I enjoy operating it. I never had problems with the Touch Bar. I just love the damn thing. I'm typing on the wonderful scissor keyboard right now. 😎👍

[@Kicice]

I just bought a 2019 16inch MacBook refurbished for about $800… my reasoning is that compared to other new $800 laptops… it still keeps up and has excellent build quality. It has very nice speakers, very nice screen, dedicated gpu and more sufficient cooling for possibly any light gaming. For me to get the MacBook Air 15, I would still have to pay $500 more just for the base model.

[@Mikeonut]

I'm still incredibly satisfied with my 16 inch 5600m macbook, but thats only because I pushed it beyond the limits that apple probably intended it to. I do miss out on faster encoding times which is sad since I mainly use my device for animation and video editing, but i did make this laptop a gaming beast. I did the VRM mod which allows the device the thermal headroom it needs to game under bootcamp, and then on top of that, it has egpu support so I can go even crazier with vr and more demanding games, as well as take advantage of better Metal rendering in apps like Blender. Apple Silicon is great because you can easily get performance, but if you know what you are doing, the 16 inch 2019 macbook can flex HARD in the areas where apple silicon flounders.

[@sauleomarova7730]

"incredibly satisfied" ... incredible!

[@zXEVER703]

Is there a link on how to do this?

[@edonim6880]

how is it with the VRM temp wise? Any problems with the monitor? Is it usable with the internal keyboard?

[@te71se]

the 16" Intel MBP is still my favourite in terms of form factor vs screen quality, and at least it has a good keyboard. The M2 MacBook Air 15" is the perfect replacement for an Intel 15/16"

[@jasondang9051]

I brought a 2015 15 inch MacBook Pro last year for $800 with an included 27 inch Thunderbolt Display. Was this a good deal?

[@rickkarrer8370]

The nice thing about these last gen of Intel Macs is that they are the last and best machines for dual booting Windows, as well as Intel Emulation. Also, while they’re nowhere near as fast for data intensive work, like video editing, they’re still highly usable for everything day-to-day, and will be for the next 5 years, at least. Unless you’re trying to get certain workloads done as fast as possible, or have maximum possible laptop battery life, there’s really no need to upgrade these until they no longer get security updates from Apple.

[@thatretailguru]

I agree the dual boot is pretty cool and it could see more life left as a windows machine. When I owned the 2019 model I got windows 11 to run on it. Although the Mac OS support is quite scary being that this machine likley has 2 years left and that’s it because of apples pace of dropping intel macs

[@rickkarrer8370]

@@thatretailguru Yeah, I think there's 2 kinds of people that will use these going forward: those who want a large screen and don't know or care about OS support (like my parents), and those who will tinker and get newer OSes running years after they're no longer supported. In the case of macOS, there will be a hard cut-like when Apple Drops Intel support, but at the rate they've been moving with hardware lately, I think we have 2-3 more years of Intel support, then 2 years after for security updates. So, 4-5 years of OS support. Then about 5 more years after that of 3rd party browser support.

[@nanostar6138]

Bought the i9 in 2019, I had a great app idea that I just had to work on. It overheated so bad the motherboard needed replacing. I Didn’t release the app, it still gets needlessly hot and regret that purchase more with every passing day

[@ericpmoss]

OWC sells high end SSD upgrade kits for a lot of iMacs. They are supposedly far faster drives than the original, and are relatively cheap. I’d love to see a side-by-side of a modified and original.

[@legendp2011]

I've looked at buying the 2019 16inch macbook pros. because I like having dual boot (gaming)...........I currently have a high spec 2015 macbook pro with amd 370x graphics. can't decide if I should upgrade my ssd to a 4tb one......or buy the 2019 model

[@ishanrko]

I have a n M1 pro entry level , and its used for lighter tasks so not really phased by the M2. M1 doing really well for year 3

[@walpoleandworcester]

I eventually sold my 2020 Intel MBP and wish I had gotten the M1 Air right at the very start instead. These newer chips are light years ahead of what they were making before!

[@quulann]

was supplied one of these 16'' mac pros from my school literally like a month before the m1 macs dropped and the new students who signed up after me got them and I've been stuck wit this one slugging around forever. cant even handle google chrome being open by itself some days.

[@binkey3374]

I'm still using my 2016 16" and will probably use it until it dies. As tempted as I am to upgrade, for my graphic design work, I have no real performance complaints. I could do without the jet engine fans coming on all the time, but other than that, it's still performing well.

[@TechfulThinking]

My 2018 15” MBP still gets the job done. Bought it refurbished directly from Apple. For my needs, the “latest & greatest” game isn’t one I need to participate in. Still have my 2018 12.9” iPad Pro, too. Once software support starts dropping off, I’ll look to upgrade

[@mitesh8utube]

I bought a mid 2014 Retina MBP 15 inch, 2.5 GHz i7, 16 GB RAM dual GPU for $250 just a week back. Looking forward to upgrade with M1 in 2-3 years at similar price point.

[@MaximoJoshua]

lol, almost had this exact same experience, i had a 2019 macbook pro 16" and it was great, but as soon as they announced apple silicon, I upgraded to the m1 Max 16", and just had both laptops, i hired someone and gave him my old laptop, luckily in business scenarios, you can typically upgrade your laptop every 2 years, I was just mad that I didn't have my backup anymore. there is like no reason to ever buy the old generation of macs now. I am just debating between when I will upgrade, I am guessing m3 Max I will switch again...

[@MichaelSidneyTimpson]

But I like my 16" 2019 MBP. I use it everyday. Why would I need to upgrade, it still works extremely well. Are you telling me I shouldn't still like it? I will probably still keep using it for many years too. Should I not?

[@kennyplayer7731]

I just got a gaming macbook pro 15.6 inch 2017 for 250usd it haves a i7 and a radeon 560 this is very important cause I also do boot to windows and I can play with that radeon 560 is pretty much a ps4 portable... not all the macbook comes with radeon so try to get a radeon gpu 560 these are very good and can hold value when reselling

[@tankib]

Just buy and keep using till it break, I own a 2012 MacBook Pro, still using and want to change m3 15 macbook air

[@leroykrueger2043]

I bought a 2019 16" Macbook Pro (Excellent Renewed) from Amazon on Sunday, expecting delivery today. I needed to replace my aging Windows laptop with something that had great build quality. I will divide the storage in half and run Ventura / Windows on the machine. The price hit the spot for the base i7 model. I for one am glad the prices crashed. We have two Mac minis and a m2 MacBook Air already. Hours later... received a cosmetically perfect Macbook Pro. Only 5 cycles on the normal health battery. Installed Windows 11 by combining Boot Camp for Windows 10 and Rufus for the upgrade to Windows 11. Very happy with my purchase. It IS slower than my M1 and M2 Macs, but it can run native Windows. And the topper is Apple Care is paid for through December of 2023. Six more months. 😀

[@r3dsnake99]

I wouldn’t trade my 2019 16” for apple silicon yet. I love the form factor, the huge display, the thin design, the audio softwares preform better on Intel, I love the touchbar, the optional Bootcamp is great too. I bought mine a year ago for about 900 usd, and it was a great deal!

[@ancientzalien]

Ignorance is blisssssss

[@Toasty_Gaming]

@@ancientzalien no native windows? X86 MASTER RACE.

[@sam_9228]

@@Toasty_Gaming What's the point? You are just looking for things to cling on.

[@penguinlust6749]

I almost bought a 2019 I9 16'' MacBook Pro. What stopped me was the touch bar -- I hated that thing.

[@AdamariMedia]

Any ideas as to why the M1 Pro and Max ones are so cheap??? I thankfully got the 14" M1 Pro, but damn it looks like I could now buy an upgraded one with a Max chip, 32gb of ram and 1tb of storage for $100 less than what I paid for the base model. Also hurts a bit, but hey I really needed an upgrade at the time so I'm trying to not let it get to me too much.

[@HighPeakMapping]

I was considering the quad core i5 MacBook Air in lockdown, I’m so glad I waited for M1

[@tipoomaster]

I actually remember them introducing Instant On with the first SSD only Intel Macbook Air iirc. And then they introduced it again (and much faster) with Apple Silicon lol.

[@CoolCrescent186]

My dad had a "16in 2019 MBP with the absolute base spec and sold right before Apple Silicon hit... he's happy with an M1 MBA now (again, base spec)

[@ahmedthecreator]

As someone who bought a 2019 i9 16 inch pretty much maxed out, I have to say that I'm still happy with it. Obviously, the biggest draw for the silicon Macs is battery life, efficiency and stellar performance. They are better in every way. But for what I use my laptop for (word, chrome, lightroom, etc.) it's a perfectly fine device with great build quality. I have a desktop PC for my 3D and intensive work so the laptop doesn't need to be insane anymore. I'd say it's important to remember that if it's working for YOU now then it's an amazing device. When M3 comes around I'll consider upgrading, but honestly I have no issues with it thus far so I'm not pressed. There's ALWAYS something better coming in tech...just slow down and consider what it is you really need!

[@tomburke5311]

S/hand M1 Macbook Airs (base spec) going for around half-price - c. £500 - on the big auction site in the UK, and those are auctions starting lower. Any 'but it now' offers above £500 aren't selling at all.

[@carlospcpro]

I was thinking about this just a couple of days ago when I came across my "old" MacBook Air 2018 intel, omg its so freaky slow and paid much more than what a M1 MacBook Air is now in amazon. Crazy stuff has happened in just a couple of years.

[@mikasaarela6217]

I got my M1 Pro 14 base last year at $1708,94 ($1599 plus some hidden tax) while traveling US. That's was Bestbuy. I live in Euro zone and that time The Dollar and the Euro were pretty much exactly the same. We don't have those prices ever in the Euro zone for Apple computers as far as I know. I can still get new M1 MBP 14 base 2399e from my local shop. I bought the Mac out of curiosity knowing I can easily get rid of it and make some profit too. Like the previous two airs I had. But I found it useful. Now I've been using Mac for 10 months and that's a record for me. This is my recording studio, which travels with me around the world. If this thing lasts me 7-8 years, I'd say that's money well spent.

[@joesalyers]

I bought a 16 inch i9 5600M and when I saw the DTK Mac Mini transition kit I sold it. Went back to my 2018 iMac until the M1 Mac Mini came out and then the later I picked up a M1 MAX Macbook. I was lucky but I was here the last time with a G5 during the Intel transition and I lost a ton of money and could not sell the G5. Lesson learned!

[@BillySoundFarm]

Come on man You're not really giving enough credit to how great this laptop was. And still is. I'm literally launching a video editing business and I don't have to upgrade. I thought I had a bottleneck, but I was just using my software wrong. Once I realized 1080p didn't have to be 80mbps bitrate, It feels like a brand new computer. It's so snappy. And I don't have that stupid notch. You can have your notchbook pro! My export times are like 10 minutes. If you're not standing up to walk around 10 minutes every 3 hours you're going to shorten your life expectancy anyway. ... Admittedly, I might feel like it's worth an upgrade if I was editing 4K, or using more AI now that that's mainstream for video editing (DaVinci magic mask and such)... But right now I don't even have a problem to solve. If I upgrade it I wouldn't actually notice the difference other than cutting my beloved 10 minute walks down to 5 minutes. This laptop is still awesome.

[@ceciljohn09]

Good example of when not to future proof. The trade in value for my base M1 Air 2020 was $460. I got it the first day the M1 was available on MBA and traded in previous MBA before priced plunged. Agree the M3 MBP is good value.

[@darwiniandude]

From memory, and admitedly it's been awhile... but I'm pretty sure the prices tanked on the PowerBook G4's when the first MacBook Pro models shipped.

[@Galileocrafter]

Bought a 16“ Intel MBPr in 2020 for 2.7k, sold it a year later for 1.8k. It was the best deal a could hope for. Glad i did sell it back then, not now. I did buy the latest Intel 13“ as a replacement, still have that and I probably will be using it until it’s slow enough… each new macOS version seems make it slower. A sweet M2 would be nice too, but i use an eGPU, and the M2 aren’t as great in the graphics department. (M1 was already out when i bought the 13“ intel, but i needed Windows Bootcamp.)

[@Wokiis]

I do love the fact that I can boot x86 Windows on my 16" MBP. Some crucial timing-sensitive software I want to run that doesn't play well with virtualisation and translation layers. Very few drawbacks with this macbook compared to the 2016-2019 15". I could argue (aside from single-core which also can be crucial) it does hold its own against the M2 and can be equipped with more RAM, but that means very little when MacOS software support is going away in the coming years. I get the steep decline in value.