Unmasking Marvel's Spider-Man 2 with Bryan Intihar - Beyond 821

SPOILER ALERT!!! On this week’s episode of Podcast Beyond, Insomniac’s Creative Director Bryan Intihar stopped by to discuss everything Spider-Man 2. We explore the reveals we saw coming, the twists that caught us off-guard, the stuff that was planned for this sequel since day one and the ideas that got left on the cutting room floor. We also touch on how Insomniac Games teased the return of a major villain and how the studio approaches MCU-style crossovers with other projects like Beyond The Spider-Verse and Insomniac’s upcoming Wolverine video game. We also dig into the creative choices that veer from comic book lore, discover the suit that almost made the cut, and get the lowdown on why MJ’s role in the game packs a punch - but again, SPOILERS ahead, so if you haven’t finished this massive PS5 game, go do that!

[@SavageMagic]

19 inches of Venom was definitely worth the wait !!!

[@ironbran12]

Because that joke isn't old. Clever !

[@spider-rick]

@@ironbran12comments consists of recycled garbage cuz no one is original anymore

[@moonmancastro]

pause

[@JooshMaGoosh]

Havent seen anyone point out that we had other content cut just for those MJ missions...

[@Diavolo018]

If you look at social media most of the crowd this games drawn in are apart of the “progressive” nature which is why most people say they love the mj missions and think they’re fun.

[@RubyKing1997]

You're the second comment I've come across that mentions this.

[@JooshMaGoosh]

@@RubyKing1997 this is a 4 day old comment so yeah that's possible.

[@ATG913]

Painful.

[@JooshMaGoosh]

@@ATG913 Think about it too. The cut content, could've been more venom missions. (Specifically ones that show him oh idk setting up the symbiote invasion?) That'd be pretty cool.

[@JustStuey]

They cut content for MJ missions that nobody wanted? The message is strong with these developers

[@bloodprince113]

56:15 so they cut other content to fit the MJ missions? Imagine how much more could have been there if there were no MJ missions

[@CharlieComicsOfficial]

That stuck with me too. Could of gave us more Venom missions.

[@GFlight.916]

Wrong opinion. I'm surprised your comment hasn't been deleted.

[@RubyKing1997]

​@@GFlight.916now that you mentioned it I'm surprised too.

[@gc8568]

@@RubyKing1997are they deleting negative comments?

[@RubyKing1997]

@@gc8568 don't know but comments like these tend to get censored by KZbin sometimes.

[@AuBos3197]

Gonna need this guy to explain Miles’ last suit because yikes

[@SmokeySantana]

Miles and krull symbiote

[@ABozowithDignity]

Never let Miles cook again

[@jupitermichaels]

Can we just get Insomniac to have their own gaming MCU?

[@blasian4260]

So making a spidernan game and a wolverine games is not building there mcu?

[@Chaosedits_CH02]

Marvel gaming universe(MGU)

[@uuntitled4260]

@@blasian4260it’s gotta lead to a avengers game 🤷🏽‍♂️ don’t need to be avengers but with spider man, miles spider man , silk, Deadpool, wolverine, daredevil

[@giwrgos1702]

They already have one brother/sister

[@JosephWitty]

MGU, said it years ago haha

[@MaNA_tW]

Why didn't they ask about the cut "content" from the Saudi Arabian port?

[@TenGirlfriends]

Because that’s not his decision, he probably doesn’t agree with it but it’s not up to him, that’s up to Sony and they want to make as much money as possible so

[@Timic83tc]

@@TenGirlfriends So they get a better game than us? Thats not fair

[@sebastianwilliams8190]

When Uncle Aaron mentions not getting a radio gig because of this “group from Staten Island” 👌🏿🔥

[@edeasdrew2050]

Wu tang clan reference 🔥

[@CrossedCollar]

Didn’t notice that! Suuuuuuuuuuuu!

[@menosay1912]

We know people didn't like it and it makes no sense but we don't care, we will make the fans love Mary Jane and the chin of power segments.

[@IamKiener]

The DLC will be 5 more MJ missions where she chases down plastic surgeons all across Manhattan.

[@thegrandmaster9423]

Fr like bro no one wants to play as MJ in a spider-man game😭😭

[@garethflook5706]

@@IamKiener lmao!!

[@MirageUchiha]

_Doc Ock - Challenged Peter's Intelligence! 🧠_ _Venom - Challenges Pete & Miles' Strength! 💪🏾_ _Green Goblin - Will Challenge our heroes' Hearts/Emotions! ♥️_

[@divyangvaidya9675]

Can't wait to see what the DLC will feature for this installment.

[@ShaneMakesMovies]

I'm thinking they do Carnage as the DLC, while setting up Silk. Or just purely do Carnage and save Silk for another Miles style spin off game to hold us over until Spider-Man 3

[@Milz.T]

Carnage for sure DLC And like the guy above me mentioned, they will prolly have a after credit scene where Silk gets her powers in an insomniac way/vision. Then set her up for maybe more future dlc or straight into MSM3

[@divyangvaidya9675]

@@Milz.T Hopefully. But would it fit as a DLC. Carnage is a pretty big villain.

[@justdaffy]

@@divyangvaidya9675 I'm hoping they do what they did before with three different DLCs hopefully all building up to Carnage in the last one with maybe Chameleon or other symbiotes like Toxin and Riot along the way

[@divyangvaidya9675]

@@justdaffy Oh yeah. They could definitely go that route also. That'd be better rather than just having one DLC for Carnage.

[@AllThatJuice-]

Low key hated the addition of a parry. Just doesnt feel like something spiderman would do. Imp doing a last second dodge should be the parry

[@Neonz.]

same!

[@thegrandmaster9423]

Yea more of a brute type of character for parry would be ok like for Wolverine or something, but not spidey he’s all about agility

[@ericaguayo764]

Carnage is a huge villan and its appropriate to do a Carnage DLC because we are in the symbiote era doing Carnage in Spider-Man 3 would take away from Green Goblin unless we get Red Goblin but it looks like Otto is cooking up something maybe a break out

[@Onyyyxx]

Surprised IGN didn’t rate this video a 6 or 7 and say, “more of the same from IGN videos” or something dumb like that.

[@taxicorky]

Why? Because they were right in their review about Spiderman 2?

[@ShinKamaitachi]

​​@taxicorky IGN forgot to mention that the game was buggy as hell. With all the bugs and stuff it should have been a 7.

[@eliminator1472]

@@ShinKamaitachiThose bugs are not a permanent issue and besides they aren’t experienced by everyone

[@Mr.PR2000]

@@eliminator1472they were experienced by most people …

[@targetdemographic1257]

Why was Peter turned into a damsel for mj and miles to save several times?

[@IamKiener]

DEI, ESG

[@ResolvedMC]

​@@IamKienerand Sweet Baby Inc.

[@IamKiener]

@@ResolvedMC yup cause DEI and ESG is their Forte. Sadley.

[@vladimirlastname2682]

They plan to replace one with another. There is a line in the game when Peter says people do not need him because they got Miles. They are preparing for replacement.

[@slashdef]

As a gamer with additional support needs, the focus on accessibility and inclusion is much appreciated.

[@properduction2586]

So let me get this straight…You not only cut content for MJ missions but also didn’t justify her being OP which could have been done much better if they implemented anything other than her tasing Kraven’s men all the time without any proper training…

[@stroel9861]

Bro what? She did have training. From Silver Sable herself. It was even said in the game.

[@karthikpavan8837]

​@@stroel9861Sure, a journalist with a few months of training takes down hunters who have trained their whole lives 🤷‍♂️. Make it make sense.

[@properduction2586]

@@stroel9861 If she was “actually” trained by Sable,she do more than just tase,tase and tase…

[@tomelding9839]

There is a man made of sand in this game...

[@JustStuey]

​@@tomelding9839So? It's still dumb to have a normal woman with a taser to take down these fighters with such ease...

[@zeromx6494]

You now what happened to battlefield when they say we don't care what fans say? It begins the downfall of insomniac

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

Bring on Spider-Man 3 with green goblin, carnage and silk

[@kennycodes]

And Doc Ock 👌🏾

[@gimme.shelter]

Should've cut MJ sequence entirely, shit's boring. Post-ending Free-Roam playable Venom should be featured.

[@fariskhalifa8403]

Spoiler alert: It’s Peter Parker.

[@CaptainJ62]

Or Miles Morales, Ben Reilly, Otto Octavius (sorta)…

[@fariskhalifa8403]

Or Spider-Man the cat 🐈

[@base21]

So instead of more missions with venom you give us shitty mj missions. Wild

[@JasonXME]

1:02:10 Daredevil

[@jonhson2099]

It wasn’t actually sandman in the vile..it was just a sample of the sand after he won the fight. People get so hung up on details. It’s an awesome video game universe, just play and enjoy! That was my take on it at least!

[@TheVagabond627]

So why did Peter hesitate to open the vial?

[@eliminator1472]

@@TheVagabond627Because he was worried it may be dangerous. That’s exactly what he says.

[@NOVSinSinga]

Where does it say that it's not sandman and it's just a sample of him. From the booking collectible and Brian's explanation, it sounds like it was sand man in the vial. They even did it in the ultimate spiderman game. Brian could've easily said this but he keeping the narrative alive that it's sandman

[@fragkia3]

Imagine getting all the feedback and you just tell the fans "up yours"....

[@SPACEKNOCKERZ76]

Hopefully no more Mj missions still. Wasn’t too bad this time tho but I’m over it lol

[@calamitycruz4614]

imagine playing a spiderman game where venom appears but you get less playing time with venom while mary jane the character that literally everyone hated playing as gets more gameplay time, also middle east version lmao

[@METAL-ADDICT]

The epitome of hypocrisy. Claim you were very passionate about the LGBTQ+ content....THEN REMOVE IT FOR THE OVERSEAS VERSIONS. Congrats. Ya played yaself.

[@Shura480]

This game should be called Mary Jane 2

[@IamKiener]

More like "DEI the marvelous ESG score"

[@ChaseR206]

@@IamKienertf does that even mean

[@IamKiener]

@@ChaseR206 look it up... if you don't know you probably should it's literally what's running hollywood, the media, and the gaming industry.

[@IamKiener]

@@ChaseR206 Google DEI and ESG.

[@matter187]

Of course this dude was in tears 💀

[@Dutchy-lf5kf]

Bro needs to men up 💀

[@itsserjuuu]

frl frl doods a loser

[@thespider8654]

Who

[@matter187]

@@thespider8654 the one that’s pretending to be a girl

[@EDGEOFTHISWORLD]

@@thespider8654the weirdo

[@wyattwilson5712]

Drinking game: Everytime Bryan Intihar says “like” take a shot

[@justdaffy]

you could play that drinking game with 90% of the English speaking world, it's called "Filleritis". Take a shot every time someone says "um" or "you know" or "er"

[@stug5041]

Deviating from the comics with confidence worked so well here; it reminds me of Arkham knight where they wanted to “be original” and then instead awkwardly re told red hood. So impressed with insomniac’s approach here and trust in their Vision.

[@BryanKalloo]

Agreed for Arkham Knight, they for sure wanted to give you the great story of Red Hood but they didn't want you to expect it because it's a popular story. Game and movie adaptations have this problem all the time. Deviation is great when it works but horrible when it doesn't lol

[@coreymoore8695]

​@@BryanKallooThis is a terrible sentiment. They said they didn't want to do a red hood story to subvert expectations? The Arkham Knight was a Red Hood story. The fact they built it up as a mystery for months despite the fact that thousands of people correctly guessed the identity of the Arkham Knight a year before the game came out. It's still Jason Todd aka Red Hood doing Red Hood things but in a different costume and name. Expectations blown!! And guess what happens after he's revealed he changes his mask into a Red Hood.

[@GoodHunterBL]

The guy wearning green has great questions.

[@fredo3161]

Lol. A fellow noticer.

[@IamKiener]

It's those darn ESG, DEI scores.

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

We need a Venom game

[@vladimirlastname2682]

You mean playing as a villain?

[@jesster9532]

Bummed that they seem to be pushing Peter out of the picture..

[@KaliU-ix2kf]

Masterpiece

[@rainygamedays5873]

We need a 100% suit please

[@malikelali5462]

The mj mission where she’s running from Peter should’ve been the only one

[@jonathantalley6110]

How lame is it that they put scream in but didn’t even talk about symbiote kraven

[@jonathantalley6110]

@CMDComMonDenominator it’s not about how popular it is it’s about how they could use the characters. The symbiote usually like to have strong capable host so why did he only infect the weakest character in the entire game?

[@eddiezaragoza1271]

Bryan: Now its my time for the questions, Why an 8?

[@swaransingh3743]

Bryan stutters more than XQC

[@bradhobbs3662]

One of the biggest gripes about this game is how awful JJJ looks, he looks like a angry Mario brother…

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

He looks like the actor playing him Darin DePaul

[@bradhobbs3662]

@@NadeemShekh-uy9zn not a fan at all

[@eliminator1472]

He looks just like how JJJ should look…

[@n8ivegogo1]

We all knew Insomniac was bullish!tting when they said that Venom wasn’t gonna be Harry😂 NOBODY believed them for a min

[@FlyntPrince]

They said Eddie wasn't going to be venom not Harry

[@durellwilloughby3628]

When he said he wasn’t going to kill somebody obviously , I’d beg to differ on that . Whirl winding man hole covers into humans is pretty insane 😂😂😂

[@subject_9875]

Why is no one talking about how they ignored the fact that Venom is supposed to be able to bypass Peters spider-sense? It's always been one of his biggest advantages!

[@jbstudios3000]

Replace Peter with Miles and loose money.

[@IamKiener]

They know this... just look at the miles game sales... they obviously don't care though. Like he said about the MJ missions " we will force you to like it" before they ever listen to the fan base. ESG/DEI scores are all they care about anymore.

[@jbstudios3000]

@@IamKiener lol wherever 😂 they can lose money

[@Vqadreian]

Should of asked questions about anti venom !!!

[@vipulgupta4348]

Why so many dislikes?

[@michaeldelarge9582]

Based off the comments, it seems like people didn't like the MJ missions lol

[@desihayward2510]

@@michaeldelarge9582those missions are annoying asf but it’s no where near as bad people make them out to be

[@arthurlobao2642]

​@@desihayward2510maybe its because they cut the fun parts of the game to make you play as mary jane .

[@LOMAZKO7]

How can you see dislikes?

[@13ain26]

What about Peter with the anti venom suit?

[@thelastmarketbender8656]

best Venom theme for me,

[@James.Fields]

These "creatives" at insominiac must be fired.

[@iagosouto8366]

Imagine how much more venom sections we could have gotten had insomniac listen to fan feedback an removed all the MJ parts instead of cutting actual interesting content.

[@IamKiener]

But they needed to hit that magical ESG/DEI score.

[@waalex11]

*How was Black Cat never talked about?!* Were you not allowed?

[@overpoweredjelly3513]

Nahh if one thing was bad in the game, was the "Electric SPIDERRR" Like nah man. Let our beloved spider-man out of this.

[@eddiezaragoza1271]

Bro knowing they gave me an 8, they don’t deserve an interview

[@yurpper2242]

Hats off to spider man 2 but I’m hoping you guys do dlc and make venom a playable character that would be lit and make carnage dlc as a boss 3 part boss

[@kennylove5653]

Not this one, don’t give away all the surprises but make the 3rd installment epic.

[@BeeSmokeYT]

Nah carnage needs own game id definitely wait for that

[@justdaffy]

@@BeeSmokeYT idk about having another game centered around a symbiote villain again, I'd rather get him in DLC than have him shoved in like Sandman or Mysterio five years from now. Especially since it seems like Green Goblin will be the next main antagonist

[@fredo3161]

No dude, they just need more Mary Jane segments.

[@IamKiener]

​@@fredo3161someone gets it. 🎉😅

[@tharekali5677]

Aren't we all Spider man fans?

[@kayz5428]

Bryan Inithar famous now. Doning the Clark Kent attire to go undercover 🤣. Him and his team deserves all the success in the whole.

[@jordan8056]

Peter Parker and Peter Darker

[@Armspider4215]

💀💀💀 wtflip eyo

[@samjetstream4074]

Ayo 🗿

[@skywalkerslegacy]

Will Peter even have a Rogue's Gallery?? Kraven pretty much killed most of them

[@Vareiance]

Nope, it’s miles turn now, but he doesn’t have any villians so idk

[@jonathantalley6110]

You can tell they don’t care about the finer details in this lmao wtf Bryan

[@Majorwindy]

Bryan seems like a nice guy. He’s got a lot of nice things to say about his team and their efforts, making sure they’re credited for what they’ve accomplished. Mad respect.

[@loganhunter941]

Do they talk about scream?

[@samjetstream4074]

Unbelievable ?! 🗿

[@SkulLenityXenoverse]

They bit off his head ain’t no way bringing that back

[@beancheesedip8337]

Tbf, Kraven straight up Kurt Cobain'd himself, and he still came back. Comics are weird like that lol

[@baneintherain]

Put Mary Jane in it! Make it lame!

[@Shorts.and.clips.1]

There needs to be a dlc for spider man 2 the story was short but that's alight.

[@x2xdj408]

@CMDComMonDenominatorfaxxx

[@Retr0_d]

Hopefully they learn from spider man 2 and understand why everyone liked the first game more than 2

[@Legion31]

I'm calling it the next game no Peter. Miles and Cindy verses Carnage and the other rogues.

[@NoArmsSally]

Next game is probably Miles 2 lol

[@TheMach1nist]

You're smoking rocks if you think Peter will stay retired.

[@jeffreyd.4878]

Peter will come out of retirement and save Miles as a surprise. How can Cindy be a spider hero if she hasn’t gotten her powers yet? They have to build her up first like they did miles in the first game

[@mrsubtlemouth6838]

Yeah not happening. No way they do a 3rd game without peter. Might be less involved but he will deff be there

[@mrsubtlemouth6838]

​@@jeffreyd.4878 maybe they do a small cindy focused game before spiderman 3? Like they did with miles

[@irfanchaudhary8957]

Platnuimed it. Proud brag

[@JerNo415]

Can we get a full Mary Jane game? Those were by far the best parts of these games. 😅

[@Drshimmy]

What?

[@arthurlobao2642]

🤣

[@jonathantalley6110]

How tf did we not get a Miguel suit in this game but we got 5 Tom holland suits

[@KTLaughter]

The 2099 suit is literally in the game

[@jonathantalley6110]

@@KTLaughter yea and it looks nothing like the Miguel from the movie. Look up Spider-Man 2099 into the spider verse mod for Spider-Man remastered. There’s a clear difference between the spider verse noir suit and the style on teh 2099

[@eulidesgonzalez6940]

It will be added later in a dlc or maybe in a free update

[@GoronMerchant]

Cause the hired and fired someone one to look like Tom Holland.

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

​@@jonathantalley6110you didn't mention the movie version in your original comment

[@stu1043]

Bryan Intihar, please release a physical PS5 version of Spider-Man Remastered with all DLC and updates on disc, sir. Preservation matters, and the fans deserve it.

[@LethalProtector8000]

You think that's all up to him? 😂

[@mas96]

Tht up for PlayStation dumbass 😅😅😅 not him

[@nicholasferrer156]

Dude we WANT TO FREE ROAM AS VENOM AND CARNAGE AS BONUS THATS IT

[@THE_MAC.]

They really complaining ab dots 🙄

[@levanceland]

No Day for Night, very little Venom time, but we did get 5 Mary Jane missions. Bryan. Step down and never return.

[@MattYellows]

Says your the first to know about sandman venom. Yet also tell kinda funny they are the first to know and same with GameSpot

[@minbari73]

WELCOME TO THE PANDERVERSE!!!

[@hobosbite6580]

spider-monke?! ☠️☠️

[@husky6672]

When your writing is so bad that you need Sweet Baby Inc to make the writing even worse. 😂😂😂

[@diobrando6961]

Ngl those MJ missions in Spider-Man 2 were so insufferable

[@mattes4238]

He's definitely the type of guy that would call the cops if you punch him.

[@jakemarnelakis577]

What?

[@mattes4238]

@@jakemarnelakis577 meaning he's a wuss

[@Infinity-has]

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@retribution5204]

what the Phuck is that !? 🤣🤣

[@brandynjohnson2972]

Phase 1 Marvel's Spider-Man Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales Marvel's Spider-Man 2 Marvel's Spider-Man 2(Bettle, Carnage and Spider-Verse DLC), Online Mode, and Multiplayer Mode Phase 2 Marvel's Wolverine Marvel's Venom Marvel's Spider-Man 3 Untitled Ratchet & Clank Game Phase 3 Marvel's X-Men Marvel's Spider-Man: Cindy Moon Marvel's Spider-Man 4 Marvel's Spider-Man: Gwen Stacy Marvel's Spider-Man 5

[@Keviqeri]

Insomniac really about to make a MVU

[@kennyblack1388]

This interview and panel is everything wrong with modern gaming

[@saqlaq96]

How so?

[@difference3maker36]

@@saqlaq96you cut sections we wanted to play for more MJ sections that we didn’t want to play?

[@cockeversteen4360]

It’s so damn refreshing to hear Insomniac repeatedly show more passion than so many other groups putting out AAA titles today.

[@geektopian]

Sooo, you didn’t give a crap about turning MJ into a character that she isn’t. Nice approach to game design.

[@SCARFR3AK]

Yest ign gave it an 8. Wa wa waaaa

[@mightymorphingpo]

IGN December 24

[@gabrielnakamura9114]

Criminal that sweatpants pete isn’t a thing

[@b.o.b.1841]

This fool ruined Spiderman what a clown

[@GodWarsX]

Dog what on Earth is that

[@balls52]

What is this mf baffling about

[@GFlight.916]

This entire interview this guy was patting himself on the back for the Shoehorned subversion, and you guys just sat there nodding your heads in agreeance. Shameful.

[@shayne604]

They only post Spiderman 2 lmao ign with all the spoils 😂

[@CookiesOnaMilkyRiver]

Predictable story

[@howtogoogle8031]

marvel zombies marvel what ifs hmmmm

[@scatmancrothers]

For everything they got right in this game, like the first one, the game was still super repititive by the end. The boss battles in particular had very little imagination. Arkam is still is the king!

[@papabear1027]

Kudos to INSOMNIAC! ILL LITERALLY SAY THEY CAN BE UP THERE WITH ROCKSTAR! THERE A MASTERMIND! KUDOS

[@lastHERO22]

they are no where near the level of rockstar in terms of actual game mechanics. What you smoking

[@garethflook5706]

@@lastHERO22 And writing. and characters, and world building, and narrative, etc. etc. Insomniac are B-tier

[@lastHERO22]

@@garethflook5706 yes you are 1000% correct

[@JakeKyuukaga]

BRO WHAT IF CARNAGE IS IN THE WOLVERINE GAME

[@balls52]

No

[@andreasbone602]

Wolverine will be a trans black dude, wait for it.

[@user-pd9xj1bt4e]

He’s not.

[@user-pd9xj1bt4e]

@@andreasbone602 He won’t but (gameplay spoiler info for wolverine game) The wolverine game is actually a wolverine and Jean gray game so you will probably be playing as wolverine for only half of the game. This info comes from the insomniac leak a couple of months ago.