IISc Bangalore Prof. on Harsh Reality of Indian Science | Arindam Ghosh on Abhijit Chavda Podcast 31

[@debojyotimondal3600]

I have gone through a bad experience in research at IIT Kharagpur. The toxic culture in lab and fear of funding going away forced me to leave the research role and switched to private sector. Now when I look back I feel that the short tenure I had in academic research with publishing journals didn't helped me in my career growth. If anyone wants to do RnD please move out of India for better opportunities.

[@Ihsan_khan00]

Thanks for sharing.

[@AarushCanMusic]

appreciate your concern...thank you

[@suryanarayanachennai9415]

100 percent true

[@Ganesh-o2w6n]

I have gone through extremely worse experience and have bipolar depression due to toxic research culture and guess what I had this experience in USA, in one of the top 300 universities in world and which is also in top 100 in my field. So moving out of India is not the best solution unless you are going to selected European countries for PhD because everywhere else you see similar examples. Now I am planning to go back to India and join a PhD in IIT/ IISER/ IISC because if at all you need to suffer or face toxicity atleast face in your own country where you have strong support system (family and close friends).

[@KusanBiswas]

I am a PhD in Computer Science and an Assistant Professor at a Govt University in Delhi. Right after my joining, I have been given the duties of "Purchase Officer", "PWD Civil Works Coordinator", "Academic Incharge", and "Examination Superintendent". Also, I am given different other non-academic duties from time to time. Since last two years I have not been getting any time to do any kind of research. Heck, let alone research, I hardly get any time to prepare for my classes! This is the reality of faculty members in India! How would I do research?

[@050138]

Oh that sucks really! 😒

[@drrinadas]

Its because of THE attitude = I-AM-THE-BOSS ..! which has been going-on-unfettered, since its-inception in the TIMES of ForeignRulersMoghalBritRaj &, ego-Centrically carried-over-and-continuing legacy-of-servile-lity even-TODAY, non-verbally-'demanded', -as it-is-expected! -as THE RIGHT(POWER) of THE BOSS(AUTHORITY) > "over" "the paidEmployee!" -may_it_be_in_any_field/ -under_any_Ministry! &under THE GOV local/district/state/central! = THE-SAD-STATE OF HRMx continued unàbashedly post-transference-of-power! &, even in the rapidly transforming NewIndia/ NayaBharat (as It is still run by the Gov 's CEO s, trained & inducted in ICS(renamed IAS) TrainingCenters & likewise_in_other GovServices! REMEDY: REVAMP THE TRAINING CENTERS, & Initiate GLOBALLY compatible COMPETITIVE HRD : through Digitized, thus MADE Responsible Accountable & Responsive Universal Training Institutes, -in all Services pan-NATION, -irrespective of States jurisdiction s! ALSO, SIMULTANEOUSLY universalise Fundamental EDUCATION pan-Nation! = So, our children of Bharat, right from inception learn the basic fundamental principles in education & communication skills, = the essentials of HRD! So far denied to our Childern & Youth! ( to SET-CORRECT : the LOCKJAM of prevailing egoCentricity of Bosses = unàbashedly, as un-fettered, TheBeAlls Crippling our RESEARCH WORKS IN all INSTITUTES! ) 🙏🏽🚩🇮🇳 वन्दे मातरम्

[@ds86496]

sir i am a mca passout, what should i do next to become a computer science faculty pls guide..

[@preetamyadav7952]

assign some of these duty to students

[@rajatghosh5718]

I'm a PhD student and I agree with the professor 100 percent. Lovely work abhijit sir.

[@ansumanmishra7864]

Where are you doing phd?

[@navalfa7291]

How much is the stipend in India for PhD students?

[@gaurav8267]

​@@navalfa729140k- 60k per month

[@sarojpandeya7883]

Very awakening and relevant podcast Abhijit Sir. I am MSc Physics student at Tribhuvan university, Kathmandu, Nepal. We subdue curiosity and creativity due to survival and imitation oriented mentality rather than explorative approach. We have developed objective approch which is very viscious to the development of scientific culture in our society. Without doing large scale investments in cutting edge science and tech in terms of money, resources and commitment from society and government. Enlightening programme like this must be in thousands.

[@testtest-co9hk]

I spent 2 months in iisc bangalore. As far as I can see in IISc, no one cares about research, they only care about publishing papers and going abroad for conferences. Then I decided that research is not a field for me. Thank god, I never pursued research.

[@koMa861]

You were in a shitty lab then. There are lot of them in IISc. But it's not always the case. There are some really focused labs. Sadly the number is going down slowly

[@testtest-co9hk]

@@koMa861 the number is always low. One two here and there because they are well funded. The so called PhD scholars are there because they will get promotion in their jobs if they complete the thesis.

[@hreedishkakoty6771]

Thank you Abhijit Chavda for bringing Professor Arindam. I am a PhD grad from IISc Bangalore Physics department and was fortunate to have very close interaction with Arindam. He is a brilliant scientist, and same will be echoed by many friends and colleagues who were part of his lab. If you are ever curious about a topic he touched upon in his last part, on the question of most challenging problems in current science, about the problem of collective motion and flocking etc, it would be great to have a discussion with Prof Ambarish Ghosh who is working on this problem in the Nano Science Dept. Interestingly, Arindam and Ambarish are real brothers, both working in IISc, and I was privilged to have worked with Prof Ambarish for my PhD research.

[@aurumff8812]

Bro bs in physics is very tough ?

[@maycodes]

Glad to see IIsc is in great hands. God bless Our Scientists

[@indiraroymukherjee3443]

My husband did his PHD physics from Iisc Bangalore.He told me about Prof Ghosh.he always tells me that everyone is running behind papers for higher posts.very few teachers will encourage you about your own thoughts.He is now doing his independent research on semiconductor

[@lolaanderson6374]

India has a big opportunity in hosting science conferences. Many conferences are pretty expensive because the hotels etc are expensive. India can host high quality conferences at a much lower cost. Organizers would be thankful too.

[@APU290]

A professor can only grow if he's able to manipulate his student to work for him. This honest confession hardly any professor would make. I am a retired prof, who shifted to a company job. Govt want assistant professors to be paid in pennies and work as hard as a housewife.

[@pratikchawda1153]

I don't know about your state but in my state they getting paid lac with incentives and perks

[@prasad7553]

Now Indian professors are decently paid. If you work only for money better you donot be in academics.

[@veridianr2490]

​@@prasad7553fool. You're a big fool.

[@mnbvzxcv1]

This podcast is unputdownable. Straight from horse's mouth, sharp, honest, without any frill. Thanks. Let have more such podcasts in Engkish, Hindi, Vernacular.

[@padminisudarshan3841]

Great listening to the positive developments in science research. Your optimism gives us hope for a bright future for science in India. Better work culture and incentives will bring back our scientists staying abroad to make our country even better. Thank you Sir and wish IISc reaches greater heights under your leadership. IISc alumni

[@prithudak1]

I tell you the biggest issue, as soon the scientist in govt. institutions get the job, 90 % of them stop doing any relevant research. Where as in US only the professors or scientist are already on top of their field gets tenure and everybody else is temporary, each scientist have to do research and ask for grant, if they don’t get the grant they have no work, so there is an incentive to perform better. In India there is not a lot of incentive to do great work.

[@surojitmukherjee7502]

Wonderful podcast. Keep going Sir

[@ranirathi3379]

AC Sir, as a researcher myself, i'd like to add these questions: 1. west has different demography, problems and needs and their research is tailored to it. Bharat is 1.4billion strong, we have our own demography, problems and needs, and food security will always be our foremost need simply coz our size. Yes science is global and we can't be lagging behind when the world is genome editing with CRISPR. How do we come at a balance wherein we make sure our own needs research doesn't lack due to or lag behind because of keeping pace? 2. do you think there needs to be an interaction/equilibration interface where taxpaying citizens are disseminated information and kept abreast of research outputs? in a world post-COVID, having MORE BIOTERROR STRAINS than it has approved probiotic strains, there needs to be SOME ACCOUNTABILITY. especially when american deep state companies are headed here in this decade.

[@nmg1443]

The only way is for Science to be part of the Economy. And that means Manufacturing must be freed because that's where a lot of the Physical Sciences find expression.

[@Insightful_Truth]

Not really, not always. Einstein general and special theory of relativity was absolute triumph of pure theoretical physics

[@vishaknandanaathresh1167]

​@@Insightful_TruthI think he wrote 'a lot of physical sciences' and I think he has a point. We need to start somewhere, and infra is a great starting point

[@srinubommisetty3148]

I had faced a lot of humiliation 😞 in my school by my physics teacher for asking questions.when i questioned about my doubt he tried to made jokes on me .if he answers then it would be in a ridiculous manner.when i stand to ask doubt in other classes the whole of my classmates sees me as a baffoon.i didn't give up .this issue ignited me and made a sharp seeker.being in 6 th standard i have entered into 10 quiz and then i led my group Win. from then my physics teacher frightened on me.therefore his preperation at night extended for 2 hours😂

[@APU290]

Serious teachers find it hard to stay in teaching profession because of contractual employment by the govt. That's why teachers are not motivated to give their best.

[@TukulParida]

You did a great job which I failed to do during my college days. 😞

[@VideosfromaSailor]

Great job man, at first i also used to be like you and ask any doubt in class, but later on i bent due to the humiliation by faculties ans fellow classmates. Its great that you stood up.

[@crmbackupcrmbackup988]

IT is a universal truth that our solar system and sun revolve around the center of Milky Way Galaxy . This i said my geography teacher laughed on it , Now i laugh at her for this limited syllabus only knowledge. she wanted to do just a job , not a passionate career . Textbook only teacher !

[@crmbackupcrmbackup988]

@@APU290 Same thing with permanent private teachers

[@subhrasouravjana8449]

Learned many things, enjoyable too this kind of Podcast. Happy to see this kind of Podcast focussing on education, which is lacking here. I would request you to bring this kind of podcast more. Thanks.

[@greenarrow270]

One of the best podcasts I've listened to lately, keep bringing the scientists sir. Also you're very good (naturally obviously) at doing science podcasts, the questions are very well structured and the conversation has a nice build up and progression overall. only thing I would like to add (from the pov of a student), i would like to hear a bit more about the research of the guests and AC sir as well.

[@ankan_mitra]

One of the most engaging and informative podcast on science by AC. We need more podcasts on science.

[@makimomoo]

I had physics post-docs from Indian institutions joining me in Durban, South Africa. They tell me that they were not allowed to touch certain experimental apparatus. They have very little hands on experience. Hence so little innovation comes out of India. Students cannot "play". In my labs they have complete freedom and hence receive better training.

[@rchakraborty4226]

Prof. Ghosh is a very humble person. I had the opportunity to interact with him once.

[@harshitbalaji1019]

We also need to acknowledge the lack of resources and opportunities. Plus, people in research, at least in engineering colleges, have to usually jeopardise their prospects of getting jobs. This makes getting into research a financial problem. Other than that, it is very hard for passionate students to avail opportunities to work in research. It is actually easier for us to go to a better university outside for research degrees than at IISc. We need more Institutes which are at par with IISc or better, with more capacity so that it a larger number of students can follow their passion to do research.

[@harshitbalaji1019]

We also require capable people to actually consider teaching as a profession. Right now, Teachers are so underpaid that no one considers it as a viable career, except for very few people. Then the people that take up the role of teachers are people who aren't employable and had no other choice. This is the root of the problem.

[@kmrao06]

I shudder to think 9f standards of teaching in private engineering colleges.

[@indiapakistanfriends7453]

*Here is a a very useful project on Heat Transfer Technology for Energy Storage.* *One of the cheapest ways to store energy is in the form of heat in insulated sand or soil.* The problem is how to prevent the energy loss, when you convert heat into electricity. If engineers and scientists can come up with the solution to minimise the energy loss, we can have an abundant source of energy storage with local materials. Another promising energy storage technology is *Air Liquification.* Again, here we need reduce the energy loss during the transfer of energy from heat into electricity. These low cost cheap energy storage solutions can be a game changer for static energy storage requirements.

[@yashikabatra9966]

Keep experimenting with your videos sir ..happy to see you growing ...india needs people like you to become super power Jai Hind 🇮🇳

[@गौरवसंतोष]

It was a good podcast. I would like to see more scientists on this podcast. Preferably people from organisations like ISRO, DRDO, HAL. Also people who could tell stories about India's past scientific achievements (supercomputer, missile development, nuclear weapons, etc.) and the future scientific challenges that we need to work on.

[@vinayg2468]

Abhijit, thanks for a great video. Am an architect by profession, but an avid science buf. I have seen or observed architecture as an outcome of technology and science. We should be more fascinated with the technology that made Kailasa mandir in Ellora or Pyramids in Egypt being physically achievable. That's architecture for the layman. Being Future Ready is the Job of an architect. Unfortunately that kind of research or even an initiative is still far far away. But no point in just cribbing over it. We are trying to do our bit in that and very soon you will see it coming up in a Grand style. All we are keeping away is any intervention or support from any Govt or an organization with an agenda. That's the toughest challenge. Anyways a great show. Hope you read this comment.

[@muttu427]

This video give immensive satisfaction and make my weekend beautiful ❤️

[@rahulbasak-os4mf]

An Aspiring Modern Biologist ...!!!

[@kirannnaa]

Such a fantastic conversation. I have never seen any journalist/podcaster in India who can throw interesting science questions & at d same time understand d responses. It's amazing to see AbhijitChavda's brilliance as Science communicator/journalist (besides his other expertises). & regarding Prof.ArindamGhosh (& even his younger brother Prof.Ambarish),,, it's too inspiring & to see both brothers in d same institute as faculties , and carrying out & propagating excellent reasearch. Huge Huge Respect 👏

[@hitesh_blues2353]

Who should have an upper hand in a research institution, the scientific staff or administration? Sadly, it's the administration in India. I work in a CSIR laboratory and I couldn't agree more. The bureaucracy feels like licence Raj from the 70s. Excessive paperwork and restrictions on procurement, billing, funding, budget allocation, and salaries. And that's in the digital age. An account clerk with no science/technology background decides whether or not a laboratory needs an equipment. It's pathetic. Most of my research hours go in writing letters and begging for approvals.

[@teachersconference8932]

Its always wonderful.to.listen to scientists who are also spiritually evolved to have discussions like this ..thank you AC sir

[@dheemandas1060]

Enlightening Podcast ❤🎉🥰

[@ASa-cg8hx]

Thanks!

[@bharatavarsha17000]

It's the sad reality of Indian institutions! Most of the professors want papers, but don't care about quality. They should know that every student is not capable of a paper, and should focus on people who loves research do research and let the people who loves to work and contribute in another way should be allowed to do in that field... Great interaction sir❤

[@drathul123]

Abhijit sir isn't a delivery boy yet he never fails to deliver ❤

[@sciencemadeeasy1788]

💀💀💀

[@disciplesuperior9452]

😂

[@Soham.69]

Abhiji sir isn't pregnant , yet he never fails to deliver 😊

[@050138]

Cringe!

[@devanshawasthi973]

That comment is very cheesy, like VERY cheesy 😅😅😅😅

[@SamvadSoul]

Very insightful discussion. Thanks Govt should focus on this

[@quantummayank6851]

More podcast with professor from iisc

[@drsatyamupadhyay]

As someone who aspires to look forward to pursue his PhD in Neuroscience from IISC, I find this very interesting.

[@sparklinglotus]

brother, it would be 'look forward to _pursuing_', not "look forward to _pursue_". All the best and wish you all success in your aspirations.

[@drsatyamupadhyay]

@@sparklinglotus ☝️☝️☝️☝️😂😂😂😂🍆🍆🍆🍆🍆✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️💦💦💦💦💦💦 ENGLISH PHD???? 😱😱😱😱🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢⛲⛲⛲⛲⛲⛲⛲⛲⛲⛲⛲🌂🌂🌂🌂🌂🌂🌂

[@unanimatereactor5014]

​@@sparklinglotuswho cares about English bro

[@sparklinglotus]

@@drsatyamupadhyay So, you're gonna pursue your Neuroscience PhD in Sanskrit, right? :)

[@drsatyamupadhyay]

@@sparklinglotus wait, is that a thing?

[@anshulsuri5619]

As a PhD student, I can say that this was a great and much needed topic

[@yama_no_ou]

PhD scholar here. I am pursuing PhD in agricultural sciences for top agricultural university in India. One of the reasons people don't prefer PhD is lack of scholarship programmes. Even when pursuing PhD without scholarship, the stipend offered by universities is too low. So the amount of motivation to be a reasercher is also low.

[@sankalp3513]

This is a highly necessary conversation. The suggestions to remedy the situation needs to desperately reach babus and legislators.

[@calvinrulez]

I worked with a Defense Research Lab during my engineering. The bureaucracy was so bad - all that paperwork completely turned me off. I got a Top 100 rank in GATE and a final call from IISc Bangalore. But because of the bad experience at the research lab, I chose to get into the private sector instead of research. No regrets on that decision. But even today, I look back and think - all I wanted was to create and contribute - where did we all go wrong?

[@debojyotimondal3600]

I have been in a similar situation in IIT Kharagpur. The toxic culture in lab and fear of funding going away forced me to leave the research role and switched to private sector. Now when I look back I feel that the short tenure I had in academic research with publishing journals didn't helped me in my career growth. If anyone wants to do RnD please move out of India for better opportunities.

[@rishabharyan-tf7rx]

But guys that's your time when the stupid and unvisionary government in power but right now things are vary change.. the research budget increas not only isro but drdo also

[@jonnysins1675]

what's was your branch?

[@calvinrulez]

@@jonnysins1675 Electronics and Communication

[@arunachalmudgerikar2898]

The key could be for teachers to share with students what they do not know or questions they are themselves grappling with

[@RAVISVASAN46]

One more important fundamental problem is that philosophical foundations are not taught at school and college levels.Western scientific philosophy emerges from its western theological basis and there's no questioning if and how our Indian Traditional Knowledge System can spawn a distinct materialistic science.Even if such an effort is done there's no ability to appreciate and take risk of funding such R&,D efforts

[@Insightful_Truth]

Science is not philosophy. Science is not Eastern or Western. Science is absolute and universal. What do you mean by "distinct materialistic science" ? How can science be different?

[@RAVISVASAN46]

@@Insightful_Truth Science is based on mathematics which are generally aciomatic and along with logic they have as Hofstadter says' no ground of being'.If you understand Indian philosophy then you will see possibility of another approach as was prevalent and lost now

[@Insightful_Truth]

@@RAVISVASAN46 Quite strange. Sorry to say but airplane has to follow equations if aerodynamic. No Indian or western philosophy can change those equations. No Philosophy can change magnitude of charge on electron or proton. Science has nothing to do with philosophy

[@RAVISVASAN46]

@@Insightful_Truth without philosophy of science it is just data science no research with causal implications

[@madhum7100]

India has never been the exporter of technology to the rest of the world. Unfortunately, the quality of research originated from indian organization/universities/institutes is alarmingly poor. Otherwise, indian research would have made a big impact exporting technology globally.

[@Ganesh-o2w6n]

I have gone through extremely worse experience and have bipolar depression due to toxic research culture and guess what I had this experience in USA, in one of the top 300 universities in world and which is also in top 100 in my field. So moving out of India is not the best solution unless you are going to selected European countries for PhD because everywhere else you see similar examples. Now I am planning to go back to India and join a PhD in IIT/ IISER/ IISC because if at all you need to suffer or face toxicity atleast face in your own country where you have strong support system (family and close friends). Suggestions: One key change I believe would improve quality of teaching in India is when they have special teaching faculty positions in colleges and universities where you are there only to teach because of your teaching skills and research is not mandatory and it should also have some separate research faculty positions where you only do research and no teaching duties outside of lab are expected I feel it has now become more like cricket and not all players are good at all three formats there are some who are like Pujara and some like SKY.

[@lolaanderson6374]

My suggestion to India would be to see their lagging behind as the opportunity for leap frogging. Do original research that’s valuable for your society and culture and country. Don’t blindly follow western standards nor worry about international visibility. The latter will come automatically.

[@rvijayraghavan9645]

Wonderful Interactioon Sir

[@unibassmusic]

Finally some good trends in Indian sciences.

[@sria2265]

thanks for the podcast, very much insightful

[@rtchannel9130]

The countries which do well in science mostly have free market capitalism , rule of law and individual liberties are valued. Even today India is one of the most difficult places to start businesses in. Everything mentioned here is just talking about symptoms not the root cause.

[@Leap6]

Its very worrying that mr Ghosh pointed out . Thanks for the podcast abhijeet sir.

[@shande1987]

Thank God the podcast are short and crisp...

[@stfu5210]

very rational podcast at the same time optimistic for students, would be nice if people like him were education administration

[@Sunny-optopi]

When I was in class 8th, 9th, when we used to ask questions to our science teacher, he used to say that you will get the answer in your higher classes. When doubts come, it is not known to you which class of doubt it is.

[@juhipandey5666]

Abhijit Sir asked really difficult and technical questions. Really impressed with the knowledge of Abhijit Sir

[@den-ew2rh]

Abhijit sir himself is a physicist so there is no surprise, that he has the knowledge.

[@sharathahuja8261]

1. Can someone tell me how C N R Rao continues to reside in IISc? 2. How come IISc has no Librarian or a Chief Medical Officer? 3. How will patients/Doctor's & allied staff enter and exit the upcoming Bagchi-Parthasarthy IISc Hospital?

[@abhishekganapure6456]

I remember when students used to say, "yaarrr question bahar se aaya tha" & teachers and other staff memebers use to ensure all of us that, "joo bhi aayega book mein se hie aayega"

[@H4R4.]

Great podcast...let more like this coming sir

[@labhsinghsaini3352]

Thats was quite informative for me. Thanks to the Prof. Ghosh.

[@biswajeetdassh9305]

Harsh reality 😥😥...Thank you for showing the sad part of our field (Science).

[@drogonfly2659]

Life is too short to do research and become a Professor at the age of (45 median) unless if you enjoy research.

[@SwapanChakravarthy]

Precisely so. Presenting the existing and developing it to attain better understanding. Unfortunately its on the second level all major institutions are falling behind the world over. With the former becoming the source of income for the institution and employment of teachers, how can one enforce quality learning?

[@anantbhushangaur1972]

Jai Hind 🙏🙏 Jai Bharat 🔥

[@Scientistmindset]

My dream to do research in higher level in indian research world

[@seemalohia1]

Please bring someone who can explain quantum technology in great detail and in a way that a teenager can understand...

[@nat_wiled]

A teenager will not understand details coz there are concepts you need to understand another concept.

[@s1mple..]

If everything works well, I'll be in IISC banglore next year

[@கோபிசுதாகர்]

Are you in IISc?

[@rrrajlive]

30:45 Excellent Podcast Abhijit ji. I like to hear 5 examples where someone becomes a full professor by the age of late 30's [as claimed by Dr Ghosh]. If you're not an education system Nepo kid usually you don't start your Assistant professor career before 32+ years of age.

[@mainak0365]

BSc+MSc(5yr) +PhD(7yr) => Assistant professor =>min 5-7yr experience=>promotion=> Associate Professor=>3yr experience=>Promotion=> Full Professor so total approx = 36-38yrs old Another way PhD(7-8yrs) + Post doctoreds from different institutions (1yr) may be 3-4yrs => Associate professor = 30-32yrs old

[@rrrajlive]

@@mainak0365 name 5 people. With their profile belonging to some decent University. Assistant professor min 8 yrs. Then Associate professor and then ....long waited Full Prof. Where do you cook up those fiction?

[@mainak0365]

@@rrrajlive I'm only talking about iits nits iisers CFTs and top central universities jnu-bhu-hcu-du-jmi... Not about in general state and local universities... The problem in this is india is divided by different interests like for research u have this Institute but for studies universities but in the foreign there is no division like this so sad reality

[@bhatt6873]

Great episode. Being a part of the scientific community, I really liked the interview.

[@systematicsevolutionbiogeo7859]

get rid of corruption and beauracracy

[@hemantj675]

Amazing discussion

[@vinod.19]

Abhijit sir should one day invite Dr. Subramanium Swamy to discuss India's grand strategy someday

[@SP-nx1bx]

Thanks a million Abhijit Ji & Prof Gosh 🙏 Jai Shri Ram, Pranams 🕉️🔯 Jai Hind 🙏 Only one question to our current able dispensation🙏🙏but this is also a strong demand for answers and accountability from all the congressi dushtas who were at the helm of affairs before 2014 and all those who served under them.... Fact is indeed stranger than fiction. It is only on the basis of a strong home front that the external affairs agencies of a country function effectively and with good confidence and gain leverage. It is known that States tend to create deep assets in other States to achieve various goals of their influence and propagating their agenda. In the case of Bharat it can be safely assumed that foreign powers have had until 2014, excellent success in the fostering and cultivation of their deep assets inside Bharat in a well organized manner. These agencies amongst other things have under the guise of freedom have freely indulged in subversive actions like inducement & forced conversions via several NGOs receiving foreign funding, psychological warfare by their careful long term cultivation of Indian media culture that has been dominated by the Lutyens elite who are utterly enamoured by Western lifestyle and anything Phirangi but have only utter contempt for Bharatheeya values & traditions, by Indian elite cooptation by various foreign powers to suit their nefarious designs. Now this long term elite cooptation by foreign powers seems not just restricted to the highest levels of the legislative (some anti-India parties we Sanatanis all are only too well aware of ) but also unfortunately at the top levels of the other two pillars of the constitution, this can be inferred by the outputs being generated by one of these two consistently which are grossly anti-Bharat...totally against the collective consciousness of our aamjanmaanas, their ages old beliefs values and traditions ! This particular elite have arrogated to themselves so much power that even an act of Indian parliament further duly ratified by all our states will also be binned if it doesn't suit their motivated anti-Indian agenda/whims/fancies. Truly they are a law unto themselves. This has gone to the extent that everybody is aware that India hasn't in 1947 achieved true freedom, instead it only continued to be run by proxy by the West & others through their successfully planned & executed efforts as above. Now, a strong proBharat dispensation is in place but how Herculean a task it is even for them to undo the damage and havoc caused to us by the above... deliberate demographic change caused ...Hindus turning minority in several states...the best in all fields feel pressured to migrate, even acts of Parliament to undo the damage are being disregarded. The enemy is all pervasive now because of their deep assets...the ones inside are difficult to deal with...Can our current & erstwhile strategic leadership throw some light on what have been and what have to be going forward the wisest ways to deal with this problem. The bottom line is that indeed EX-RAW Vikram Sood sir has answered to Ranveer's query in his beerbiceps youtube interview that, yes theoretically it is possible even for the top guy to be foreign agent...fact being stranger than fiction means that top institutions are openly acting as foreign agents and we are literally being able to do nothing more than watch. Jai Shri Ram ! Abhinandan 🙏☺️🕉️ The critical issue of making vast numbers of Indian meritorious students and workers to have little or no choice by means of their cruel deprivation and utterly unjust nearexclusion in our various educational institutions and government sector through the loathsome caste based reservations in our system, has been carefully avoided in this debate. It is probably a feature of Kaliyuga that the torch bearers of Dharma suffer the greatest persecution, such as Brahmins in India including Pandits of Kashmir, our Gau Mata, Buddhists in China & Tibet, Jews in Israel and other parts of the world, Tamils in Lanka are examples. Those that follow righteous/peaceful methods of getting justice have to go through the utmost pain it appears. It is High Time we adopt Shri Aurobindo Ghosh Ji's Dharma as our guiding principle in every walk of life rather than the Western imposed Democracy (which in practice boils down to appeasement and dangerous votebank politics that so wrecked our society for a long time). How much longer shall we remain without revisiting the British conceived, inspired and imposed current Constitution which by their deliberate design is a slave to anti India narratives???? Sir hopefully all of you opinion makers should understand that, as the most important prerequisite for atmanirbharta, that is self-reliance, is to first get rid of the atmaghaathi reservation system so cruelly foisted on us by institutions & leaders who were utterly corrupt and have sold their souls out to foreign powers with nefarious designs. For a period of several decades , India was carefully deprived of it's intelligentsia by their near complete isolation & deprivation in sarkari jobs. Educational institutions and public sector enterprises have been made a no go for them, and they are, as all of us know, defacto refugees, running by the droves to foreign countries. Our enemies with nefarious designs would be laughing all the way at this self-inflicted "physiological" chronic insufficiency with regards to our local meritorious talent that is otherwise very capable of working wonders in our educational institutions & later in our public sector too,- it unfortunately is being very skillfully removed by deshbahishkaran, by the well planned efforts of foreign powers through their Indian elite cooptation and corruption over many decades (until 2014) within the various strata of not just the legislative but also the other 2 pillars of the Union. From the enemy's' strategic perspective...has this process not been a lot more harming to our Bharateeya interests compared to say the adversarie's single attack on an institution to take out intelligentsia???... clearly this kind of long war of attrition imposed on Bharat by their very clever 'non-hardkinetic' warfare methods such as the above kind of lawfare, elite cooptation, corruption etc has wreaked a lot more havoc on Bharat and caused a lot more harm to our interests than whatever hard kinetic means the adversary could ever achieve with in the past or present. 🙏😊🔥Is the strategic leadership of our country including yourself, at least cognizant of these threats☺️🙏???, if yes please enlighten us in your next interview as to how you propose to address this gigantic challenge 🙏🙏 just saying that start ups and entrepreneurship of young meritorious talent will do atmanirbharata...I am afraid this is hypocrisy... nothing of this sort will help especially in various public sector that has virtually been made a fortress for the rehabilitation of candidates recruited on the basis of their caste based reservations as against their real merit & talent??? In such a case, a brazen travesty of justice and abominable unfairness to meritocracy will continue to be perpetrated on the Brahmins as an ongoing sad part of their ages old persecution??????, If a semblance of justice has to prevail and if at all a decent Indian public sector productivity and profit and competitiveness in the global market has to be realized, then merit based enrollment and recruitment has to become the norm even in the public sector. This can only arise by ending the gross persecution and injustice being perpetrated on our Brahmin community by successive dispensations. Just erecting Sri Shankaracharya statues and doing pranams without taking above kind of measures to reverse the cruelty and injustice being done to Brahmins by states/Judiciary/centre, amounts to adding insult to injury and is visible hypocrisy 🙏🙏🙏 There should begin large scale public sector recruiting through regular jobs of our meritorious talent, as much as large scale enrollment of our meritorious students in schools and colleges without snuffing them out through our most cruel States/Centre/Judiciary imposed caste based reservations system that has been proving so very very atmaghaathi to our interests and is simply making an utter mockery and hypocrisy of the often parroted word Aatmanirbharatha!!!! 🙏🙏🕉️🔯 Thank you Sir! Jai Hind ! Jai Shri Ram ! Chinese & other foreign agencies have been openly cultivating their dangerous deep assets inside Bharat in a well organized manner with excellent success in their planning and execution of the same for all those decades until Modiji et Al came to power in 2014. Mass subversive activities like the forced conversions and the inducement conversions and spread of Jihadi ideology went unchallenged due to the corrupt Congress multiparty culture in Bharat who have shamelessly sold their souls and gave in to the elite cooptation by foreign powers with nefarious designs against Bharat. Such successful and deep seated elite cooptation by China-Pakistan/Western/ME powers was not restricted to the nonHindutva legislative parties but also well extended into the rank and file of the other two pillars of the Indian Union that is the Executive, the other one; also of course the Predominantly & outrightly antiBharat, AntiHindu, leftist Fifth Column aka our Press! All this went on brazenly for such a long time and what we are facing now is the result, also look at the unmistakable efforts for a violent regime change currently underway in neighbouring Bangladesh by China-Pak axis in a well oiled synchronized manner parallel to their pogrom being sponsored in NE India and now in Haryana too. Even the dumbest person can see all this vividly so whatever happened with our Milords who suddenly wakeup and see it only now thru a narrow lens in such a highly biased manner????

[@DattaramMiruke]

Science will always reflect the social ethical atmosphere. Corruption, religious extremism, etc always will reflect in the academic atmosphere.

[@pranaypaul6361]

Excellent conversation.

[@sanjivgupta1418]

Being a man of science, a pathologist, I can say one thing with confidence, if we really wish to excel in science, either bring labs to class rooms or move class rooms to labs at school level. Secondly, world over fundamentl research is done in universities. Dichotomy of universities and research institutes in India did immense harm to development of scientic temperament and research bend of mind.

[@kunal_giri_15]

Sir Your way is amazing and I love it very much. But I have one suggestion for your work ( most humbly ), You can add the Chapters with the Timestamps which will help your viewers like me to get enormous amount of help !! Well LOVE YOU SIR !!

[@gaurav_0369]

I wanna ask Prof Ghosh a really important question You working with quantum physics and artificial materials But are you working on the Lk-99 super conductor, which is being argued as most important research of this century. Forget big research institutions from all around the world even individual researchers are trying to recreate it but is anyone in the indian research institutions doing the same ? Are we willing being left behind on this ?

[@vikki6283]

Well it was a hoax

[@bhaskartripathi]

I just counted that we do not have even 100 scientific journals listed in SCIE/SSCI. The precise number on web of sciences is 88. The professor does not mention why IISc or all 23 IITs combined failed to produce even 1 SCIE journal? The less I talk about Mathematics and Computing, the better it is. We have world famous institutions even better than IITs in Mathematics such as Chennai Mathematical Institute, Institute of Mathematical Sciences but even they do not have there own scientific journals listed in SCIE. So the quality of research output is nothing even though quantity wise we are next to US and China. But, it is a blot to be a researcher in India. The society doesn't supports research endeavors. People run after high packages and positions. Publishing has become a jugaad business where papers are published by paid underground networks. Most of these professors practice this and then say that there are issues with Indian science. No one wants to work in public universities. Even the IITs (except IITD and IITB) are mediocre. IIMs should be shut down or converted to IITs so that some scientific research output is produced and they add more value.

[@sri_G]

If iim r closed down where will the good quality mba students go then ?

[@joejonny3303]

IITB, IITK , IIT MADRAS and IIT D. ARE OK but rest of the IIT'S are namesake IIT'S.

[@raghavendratripathicic]

It is disappointing to see that IISc/IMSc/CMI/TIFR/ICTS/ISI etc don’t have a world class journal in mathematics and it needs to be addressed. However, the conclusion that the quality of research in these institutes is nothing is far from being true. I have been at IISc and currently at a US university, I can speak from my personal experience that these institutions do produce top-quality work that is at par with world’s leading institutions.

[@Ani-hz9ff]

We need more podcasts like this sir

[@debasishbesra4663]

Hello Abhijit Sir. Want professors from IISC in the AI domain doing exceptional research to come on your show.

[@joesb213]

just too good.....uve made my day mr chavda

[@hitesh_blues2353]

The emphasis on research output is skewed towards high impact research papers for employment rather than developing protocols/products/processes/patents. There is no job security in R&D after PhD. Hence, academics is the only viable option because at least it pays well thanks to UGC guidelines. Recruitment in Govt labs is totally corrupt, almost always someone files RTI and recruitment stays pending. We need strong infludence or bribe to secure a technical officer/scientist posts. Sad reality is that scientific rigor and zeal for innovative research is not as important as your background or influence.

[@sanjayrath3592]

I have only one comment regarding what professor said about bureaucratic interference. Bureaucracy sometimes is perceived to be doing right, when the research organisations use dishonest means to spend the sanctioned money.

[@கோபிசுதாகர்]

That is true but mostly it is not the case

[@sapptarishighosh6872]

In class 7 the teacher said after passing a barrier the velocity of light remains unabated . None of the teachers clarified it but in Cambridge they said it is so assaid by Einstein. I tell it for sure it is not correct snd the concept is bound to colappse with time .

[@BharathBhushanLohray]

How do you address leg-pulling and jealousy in Academics? Such toxic behaviour is less tolerated in Industry and is overlooked in Academics.

[@c.p.1090]

Disappointed that he did not talk of nuclear more. It has been 4 generations since nuclear plants designed in 1950-60s like Chernobyl and Fukushima failed. Think would you use a phone and computer from that era or a car from that era versus a 1920s car

[@JameBlack]

The problem of India is that country has no global ambition.

[@unfilteredwithvarun]

Indian science has shown growth with achievements in space research, pharmaceuticals, and information technology. However, challenges like limited funding, brain drain, and lack of quality education persist. Initiatives are underway to improve infrastructure, promote innovation, and retain talent. Collaborations with global counterparts and investment in research are crucial for further advancement in India's scientific landscape.

[@namangupta2228]

We don't develop high tech space tech everything is decades old. Isro is more of engg organization less of RandD. We just manufacture drugs and don't discover them. We are a hair cutting saloon in IT.

[@mishraji1721]

OG CHADva sir 🙏🙏

[@unfilteredwithvarun]

R&D or innovation is definitely one of the biggest factors for India to have much skilled or knowledgeable professionals and help with flow of investments or creation of business, look at the biggest developed nations how did they get to the place where they are because they did focus alot on innovation and freedom to choose of field and the day we start focusing on this we would get to the place we would wish to

[@gopalramanathan7062]

Superb show Abhijit, most absorbing 🙏🏼

[@BharathBhushanLohray]

In my experience, the best researchers were not very good teachers. Universities must have some faculty members who have teaching as primary responsibility with no pressure to publish etc.

[@drane10]

#AskAbhijit Why is HAL Marut never mentioned anywhere?,A 1960s ahead of its time ,indigenously produced twin engine multirole jet, built with the assistance of German WW2 engineers. The project was underfunded and swept under the rug never to be mentioned again? I found out about it when a foreign youtuber made a video about this Indian aircraft which had potential of being on par with planes of MiG and Dassault of that era.

[@aplyanon3422]

Prefer quality of research papers published. The only diversity wanted is how many others (diverse others) consider the papers published by IISc as good and reference them in their research. All other diversity is mere politics not acads & not science.

[@chidanshdiwakar3690]

I was waiting for this podcast

[@vishruthsrinivas8552]

Brilliant topic for discussion!!

[@thethoughtfulvoid]

At around 53:00 they mentioned something like Deago , Laego , LEGAL- ---- india , please someone tell , what is the word they spoke , i am tired of trying irrelevant keywords

[@raghavendratripathicic]

LIGO I was in DU when it got approved first and it was a huge buzz. 😊

[@thethoughtfulvoid]

Thanks a lot sir , I didnt hope someone will reply , I am really grateful to you for telling me , Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory (LIGO) - India . I just came from school so couldnt reply you , and am replying 3 hrs late.@@raghavendratripathicic