Ike Gauntlet: Brand-New 2024 GMC Sierra 2500HD Denali Takes on the World’s Toughest Towing Test!

[@TFLtruck]

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[@GreenMountain565]

These two together are the best of TFL, they are hilarious. Can’t believe it’s been 10 years. Andre has really come into his own on the channel. If you go back and watch the old videos he was almost just a prop who sputtered random Russian rants lol. Not to mention they do these videos in my backyard. Glad they are representing CO so well. Good work as always you guys!

[@TFLtruck]

Thank you. Much appreciated. -Andre.

[@MrTruckTV]

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[@jen4739]

Yeah, let's all go back and watch those old video's! Nothing like spending your time watching and listening to a couple of old gas bags go on and on about something totally irrelevant to 99% of the population while spewing out tons of "C" - Zero - two into the atmosphere, that's CO2, btw. Andre's life would be better spent if he took one of these trucks back to Russia and ran it right over Putin's bald head.

[@yissibiiyte]

Andre's hat is a great addition to the channel 😂

[@marksman4004]

Guest appearance, Andre's hat. 🤣🤣

[@mattie3595]

Looks a bit small……lol!

[@timothyweers8054]

Well, Andre won't be wearing the hat anymore. A couple of years ago, he had a nice pair of cowboy boots, I made a nice comment on them, and I haven't seen him wear them again. LOL

[@thomasjohn8632]

Agreed

[@Clevelandsteamer324]

He needs a track suit

[@macbookpro57]

Not a gm fan, but man I gotta say these new sierra’s are some of the best looking trucks out there.

[@garys2157]

Yeah Idk why GM can get a grill, light set up looking so good and Chev not so, even in the brink of overdone ugly. IMO GM should spin all of their trucks into a GM only truck division, not trying to upset Chev fans, but it would make sense and save a lot of money.

[@Clevelandsteamer324]

Dodge is garbage and ford way overpriced

[@machfive916]

Wow! 10 years of the Ike Gauntlet. Thank you so much for cranking out a top-notch Ike Gauntlet video every Saturday, as this is no easy feat. Great video guys.

[@MrTruckTV]

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[@deelock1605]

Ike Gauntlet on Saturdays are the new Saturday morning cartoons! Look forward to these reviews every weekend! Great content, editing, collaboration and awesome hat Andre!

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks,

[@carperdiem8754]

The weekly Ike makes me feel like a kid in the 80s again. Excited to wake up Sat morning for cartoons

[@kokocostanza2036]

As others have said, now we need to see a re-test of the gas 6.6 with the 10 speed instead of the 6 speed. Before the engine wasn't really able to stay in the powerband, and the fact that the shortest axle gearing was 3.73 and not 4.10 really hampered it going uphill. The new transmission could completely change the outcome.

[@slaytanic921]

I’m waiting for this one too. I want them to do two videos. One with the trailer they used for the first 6.6 test and then another with a 5th wheel. I have a 22, I might trade in if it’s worth it.

[@bradniehues9560]

I just traded my 23 I bought last fall for a 24 gas. I’ll pick it up next week. I’m excited to see the difference rowing.

[@71dbart]

@@bradniehues9560 Awesome. I just ordered a 2024 2500 AT4 HD with the 6.6 gas. Should have it in maybe 3months. Selling my 2018 2500 Duramax Z71 when it comes in or trade it.

[@XploreAz]

@@bradniehues9560well, how did it row?

[@hydro1581]

@@XploreAzmine did horrible, I regret buying my gasser, Cannot tow 13K very well at all!

[@G-Rated]

Best truck in the entire damn segment right here. They’ve outdone themselves.

[@Stevemax07]

These truck videos each Saturday morning make my Saturday morning!

[@TFLtruck]

We are so glad.

[@gregc9220]

Great video guys! And Andre you must keep the hat now, you and Mr.Truck make a perfect team for these kinds of towing videos, it's informational and humor all in one video!

[@MrTruckTV]

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[@lanceripplinger8352]

You guys have sure come a long way with the Ike Gauntlet runs. Nobody puts in the effort and all the data collecting like you. Mr. Truck and Andre are always great together! Hard to believe it has been 10 years, I've been watching you since the beginning! 😀

[@MrTruckTV]

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[@badgerpa9]

Nice to see Andre and Mr. Truck the two most trusted truck guys together. Hope you keep the hat for future Ike runs Andre. Hope your entire crew is safe and healthy, you guys run a lot of miles on the highway.

[@MrTruckTV]

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[@haldoglife]

The various TFL channels have being my favorite KZbin hangout.

[@TFLtruck]

Thank you. That means a lot to us.

[@bret9741]

I really like the improvements GM has made on all its truck lines. If buy any GM truck over Ford right now... and I'm a Ford owner.

[@cstgx]

GMC is the best looking truck on the road by far.

[@cliffordmontana4562]

Now that Ford ruined the looks of the super duty for 2023…you’re correct! I still think the Chevy heavy duty is ugly, however.

[@cstgx]

@cliffordmontana4562 I know. The Super Duty looked awesome. Not sure why they did that.

[@cliffordmontana4562]

@@cstgx I have no clue dude. It looks terrible. I’m so glad I was able to get a 22 super duty with the Godzilla for 8k off of sticker price five months ago. I love my truck. I won’t buy a new super duty til they update them in a couple years.

[@arkhsm]

In my honest opinion... they're nowhere near as handsome as a SUPER DUTY..... that scoop on top looks like a giant WART !!

[@cstgx]

@arkhsm have you seen the front end of the new SuperDuty? It looks terrible. The 22 looked awesome and was the best looking HD on the road.

[@Reinbold1500]

Down 60lbs!? That is something to be proud of! Good job, Mr. Truck.

[@ardyarco5221]

This is great, we need more rvs on the Ike. A 9k lb rv is no where near the same kind of tow of a 9k trailer

[@duggydo]

I think you have to hit them for the price. The prices have outpaced inflation and we are in record inflation! The CEO even admitted to decreasing production to keep prices high. Not good.

[@paulbenderavich3833]

32% price increase in two years. The average guy is being priced right out of the market.

[@duggydo]

@@paulbenderavich3833 Yes...and they know it, but don't give a rip. You combine the govt regs on top of the greedy mentality of the executives and this is what you get.

[@Rccrdawgs]

Stop going and getting loans for these trucks and the prices will fall...they know your addiction for new trucks are more powerful than heroin!

[@duggydo]

@@Rccrdawgs well, personally I haven’t taken a loan on a vehicle in 20 years. I agree with you though. People borrow way too much money for vehicles.

[@CharlesAnsman]

Have to pay for the EV division that loses money

[@matthewanderson9912]

Nice video. Always glad to see Mr Truck and Andre. Also glad to hear you guys mention the size and type of trailer you were towing and how it affects things like fuel economy for example. My complaints would be the towing sticker again. It’s never been VIN specific, just configuration specific which is what every tow rating is. If you do the math based off the sticker (27500 GCWR-8387 Curb Weight) you get 19,113. Of course you have to add a driver so that number would dip below 19,000 but that’s always been the case. Lastly the fuel tank size. I’m glad Mr Truck went the opposite way here and didn’t complain. When it comes to short bed trucks GM has the biggest tank. Ford only offers 34 gallons and Ram is 30 or 32. So not sure what the gripe is from Andre in this configuration.

[@MrTruckTV]

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[@dylanluhowy]

Need to see the 6.6 gas with the 10-speed! Thanks.

[@TFLtruck]

It’s coming soon.

[@coryfranks1283]

Can't wait to see the 2023 F-450 IKe. I haven't seen a 450 in a couple years. I love the super Ike's with the big trucks.

[@HMuny55]

Mr. Truck and Andre on the Ike...... one of the best things on KZbin

[@MrTruckTV]

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[@JanBartos24]

The best duo on KZbin! 4.75 is fair! 60 decibels inside? That's insanely good!

[@gmlover82]

Loved the video. Andre, keep the hat. 10 yrs of the Ike? Can’t believe it!! Y’all should do a few Retro Ike’s with some of yalls favorites over the years.

[@gregc9220]

I said the same thing a couple videos ago, old vs new

[@TFLtruck]

Yes. We ware planning a celebration video.

[@keelynnemalek8498]

I’m getting mine in 2 weeks, identical too this one and I can’t wait. I’m happy you both approved ! Such a beautiful truck and the interior is top tier compared to previous models.

[@JesseLJohnson]

Not sure if I should have waited. I bought a half ton Ultimate a few weeks ago and the dealer I got mine from has a 3/4 ton that should be there any day now. Only about $10k extra then last night I find a dealer over in St Louis that has 4 of them on the lot posted on their site. I guess I probably don't need a 3/4 ton this truck is my daily driver and I do still have an old 06 crew cab 8 foot 3/4 ton I keep around so I don't ding up my personal truck hauling junk or anything.

[@keelynnemalek8498]

@@JesseLJohnson Honestly 10k is not much of a difference considering what you are getting, If I'm spending 80k+ on a pick up truck it had better be at least a 2500 in my personal opinion, I say buy one. Picking mine up tomorrow morning and I am so excited, plus these look much much more aggressive than the 1500's.

[@jacobseitz6224]

Love the Ike videos with Andre and Mr.Truck. Ive been a ford guy for a long time but i think these new GMCs are probably the best looking HD trucks on the market today. You guys rock thanks for another great video. Love the hat Andre

[@MrTruckTV]

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[@deonstrydom7173]

These two guys are simply the best. I laughed so hard when Mr Truck called the GMC a sexy beast😂😂 But I agree, that truck is way sexy.

[@MrTruckTV]

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[@rick0842usmc1]

These videos are my favorite and the reason I started watching your channels.

[@scottyellis3442]

Love these tests, Mr. Truck 1 & 2 are such a great team together. And the editing of these reviews are spot on. Great job in front & behind the cameras. 👍🏻👍🏻 No way would I ever pay $95,000.00 for any vehicle.

[@Danman1972]

That set up with SxS is likely well over 1/4 million dollars rolling down the road. That is like 4 times what I paid for my first house only 20ish years ago! Straight nuts. That said... If I could throw that kind of cash on that I would, but that is "above my pay grade".

[@scottyellis3442]

@@Danman1972 me either, but I was just talking about the truck being $95,000. And we'll over my paid grade too, and even if it wasn't I still couldn't see paying 1/4 million for that.

[@Dive-Bar-Casanova]

When you're trading in a vehicle worth $75.000.00, it's an easy decision.

[@Danman1972]

Current truck has that paid for option, but 275K. Runs fine and takes care of what I need currently. Won't tow like a 2500 though.

[@NWI_Steel]

​@Danny Compton funny you say that, I was calculating that in my head too as I was watching, thinking 250k rolling down the road, twice as much as I paid for my house in 2012 lol

[@kevincameron8437]

This size/style trailer is what you need to do your tests with. If it pulls and handles well with this huge and heavy sail behind it, it’ll manage most any other load within its weight class. And this isn’t a bad payload for a max loaded 3/4 ton truck. Oh, and those are some sharp hats.

[@MrTruckTV]

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[@theshittybowman]

I have a 2020 TrailBoss LT, it’s been such a badass truck for me after multiple hunting trips to the east coast to west from deserts to mountains… 75k never an issue. We are upgrading our RV Trailer, and the GMC AT4 is what I’m going to purchase next… these are beautiful trucks!

[@wesshepard]

Another great day with Mr. Truck and Andre!

[@TFLtruck]

Oh yea!

[@MrTruckTV]

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[@MDchaz]

Yee-Haw!!! Andre and Mr. Truck back in the saddle again! 🤠 🤠 🤠

[@matthewhennagir9798]

Thanks for featuring this beautiful truck! I proudly help build them in Flint, Michigan with the best group of people from GM and UAW Local 598. Keep up the great content TFL!

[@steddyk]

I have a 22 Duramax out of the Flint plant. Thank you for the work you do!

[@ohaggdah]

André and Mr Truck is the best combo!! And thank you guys for trying cruise control on the way down!!! Excellent! 🙌

[@MrTruckTV]

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[@cooldude50c91]

Great video guys! Love watching Andre & Mr. Truck doing these towing reviews for the channel! Hopefully soon you guys get to tow with the new 2023 Toyota Sequoia for the Ike Gauntlet! I’m curious to see how the new Sequoia performs VS what the last current Sequoia performed last time.

[@MrTruckTV]

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[@jeffwarner9249]

I would be curious about the 6.6 gas engine with the new Allison. With the improved torque curve I can only guess that it will be a game changer.

[@TaigaTurf]

This is the essence of TFL!

[@hugieflhr03]

Nice touch with measuring the bump stop. That makes a difference!

[@TheAdventureKean]

I duplicated your Ike last Saturday night with my Ram 3500 LWB HO. 35-60 was 12 seconds and then Ike was done in 8:04 towing my Grand Design Toyhauler that was nearly identical to this trailer. Was very happy with the HO but I have 3.73 gears and I could have done nearly a perfect run if I had 4.10s. Was very impressed with my run.

[@quikagc5]

Nice truck! Nice hat, Andre! Good job guys!

[@bigmacmach1185]

Even as expensive as that trailer is, seems a lot more flexible and useful than just an rv. I agree, Andres hat is awesome!

[@davecamilleri9411]

I really like that you are using the Banks I dash, I swear by it! I didn't see any mention of transmission temps on the test or mention of what gear the transmission was in which is easily accessible with the I dash. I know you can't do this with a new loaner from GM, but I would really like to see how a 20-23 Duramax with the Banks Derringer installed would do on the IKE. On the 20-23 it adds 80 RWHP and 144 RWTRQ. I just bought a 2023 Denali 3500 Dually and immediately installed the Derringer and it really perks up the engine.

[@madweazl]

You can display the trans temp on the dash now as well (pretty cool how much you can re-configure the new cluster)). I haven't towed our 5th wheel yet but it's running 150* around town which surprised me (our '16 Ram 2500 was usually around 168 in the same conditions). I'll try to remember to check it tomorrow while towing a small skid steer (about 7k pounds).

[@lynnryckman7300]

I like the info screen that's not obtrusive to the road view not that big screen TV looking thing that many Car /Truck manufacturers slap in there.

[@WVURenegade]

That’s MSRP. There’s one for sale in Lugoff, SC priced at $120k.

[@JesseLJohnson]

There is a dealer I saw last night that had 4 for $94-96k. The dealer in Little River, SC where I got my half ton Ultimate has one coming in and they don't tack on over sticker. Think they told me $93 or $94 for it. Not sure I should have just waited and got the 3/4 ton but I don't really tow enough to need it besides I already have an 06 3/4 ton too and I had a 2010 but just passed that one along and the 1 ton I had with the ramp truck bed

[@AbzAden]

I won’t lie I like all things TFL but I love this long review I don’t even have a truck or is in to big trailers but this is so informative and I love it maybe one day I’ll get me a big truck and trailer and I’ll have all the info I need keep up the great work

[@WheresHerb]

Not only a boost gauge but also a gear indicator. I like knowing the boost pressure and what gear I'm in.

[@demuntresmith6666]

With to price need to come from factory with it

[@MrTruckTV]

Good ideas

[@charlesc5983]

Everyone on my truck Facebook pages are complaining about their trucks squatting so much and it’s because of the placement of the fifth wheel hitch behind the axle. You need to stay on them about this .

[@francsever]

I want to see you do a super ike with the gmc HD gasser

[@TFLtruck]

This is coming soon.

[@jsasu.3]

I’m glad Mr. truck is back with Andre! Those two are priceless 👍🏼🇺🇸✌🏼

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@jsasu.3]

@@MrTruckTV 30 years truck driving here and appreciate your insight on smaller trucks and towing various rigs correctly.

[@MrTruckTV]

@@jsasu.3 Thanks

[@billn911]

Bought a cowboy hat after watching this since a new Duramax is priced out of this universe.

[@jensalan]

5:30 Exhaust brake shut itself off here. So the downhill run was completely done without the exhaust brake?

[@TFLtruck]

No. Andre turned off the exhaust brake just for a minute to see what would happen. The truck accelerated from 50-55 mph. Then Andre turned the exhaust brake back on and the speed slowed down.

[@andrewkennedy9704]

@@TFLtruck should've included that in the video to show that difference and how important it is.

[@Pantelifts10]

I got a 2023 Silverado HD for my business and loving it so far! That might be my next truck in a few years 😁. Good job tfl

[@davidg5993]

Got the 2020 Chevy 2500hd duramax currently have 113k no issues

[@billroach2393]

Suggestion... When measuring the height difference between trailer attached and not, you really should be measuring from a fixed point, such as the bottom of the wheel rim. Measuring as you do now, is affected by how much the tires compress too. Measuring to somewhere like the bottom of the wheel or the center of the wheel, will give you an accurate number of the SUSPENSION change only. People who fit heavier duty tires, won't suffer from as much tire squish

[@masonthomas9671]

This is an older comment but I think if they measured space to the bump stop, before and after, it would match up with what you are saying

[@AUav8r05]

Andre, absolutely love the vids with you and Mr. Truck! Keep em coming! Cheers

[@MrTruckTV]

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[@LyfovRyan51]

Awesome combination of truck & trailer. Could easily live in it as I live in a 24 foot caravan & tow it with a 79 series Toyota Landcruiser V8 Ute in New Zealand. I enjoy the Ike gauntlet posts.

[@marcelouspatton4997]

Let’s see an Ike Gauntlet test with the 6.6 Gas and Allison 10 speed!

[@musschootski]

27 seconds into the film, and I already love Andres hat.

[@dundonrl]

My issues with different trailers, you can't compare various vehicles (how one does to another) that way!

[@hotrodgt69]

I would love to see you guys do the I gauntlet towing test with the 66 gas engine and the new 10 speed Allison behind it. I am a pro model truck guy myself. I don't need all the bells and whistles at this point in time. I have a 2023 66 gas pro model truck with the 6-speed trans. I hope that that 10 speed would be worth it if I trade this thing back in and get the 24 version

[@christianmarten4938]

I live in Canada and I did a build and price on one of these in the 3500 hd and the fact that it's 129k and then a gm dealership in Edmonton does custom trucks so they add a lift, new wheels and tires, black out badges aftermarket exhausts etc and cost around the same price is just crazy yes its only a 1500 or an AT4 2500hd but that's just crazy

[@slmjake]

We're like twins! Love you guys

[@stacysid2]

I agree with Andre 36 gallons is not enough. That's a deal breaker for me and I get a GM discount. Ford Crewcab Longbed you get 48gal, Ram same configuration has a 50 gal option FIINALY!. There are aftermarket company's that offer larger fuel tanks for diesel trucks but the gas guys are just outta luck and I see a lot of guys switching to gas because of the high buy in, fuel cost and upkeep on the diesel platform. JUST SAYEN.

[@jameshowey9958]

Nice video, the fact that now you are saying a 3:42 rear gear is for towing cracks me up, before it was 4:10 or nothing than 3:73 was expectable and now this is considered good 🤦🏼‍♂️ I know the new transmissions make all the difference and the 3:42 is just a better all around gear. That transmission sure did look like it was hunting a lot on the climb also.

[@bradenconway9066]

Wish i could afford one of these but my 09 duramax will pull anything and everything I’ve put behind it including a gooseneck flat deck that weighs 7000lbs itself and then a 1600 gallon water tank on too full and probably 2500lbs of spray and a chem handler. Probably weighs 23-24000lbs and it can handle it very well.

[@robertpulliam9973]

Finally you are doing an accurate towing test taking wind resistance into play, it’s easy to tow something if all you are doing is pulling weight and rolling resistance of tires.

[@slmjake]

What an awesome outfit Andre!!!!

[@THEjasonTDI]

I've been up and down that several times with my 36' ATC. Pin heavy but they pull great. RAM 3500 Dually HD/Aisin

[@davidtaylor5600]

That’s Curt Hitch and it does adjust up, it has 3 adjustment levels

[@robertpulliam9973]

Mr Truck is correct in the placement of the hitch behind the axle, maybe the weight of the diesel offsets the difference.

[@Rockrewls]

Excellent video and information, well done gentlemen always a pleasure keep up the great work, don't change a thing.

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@kinomorrison8004]

This is a great truck.

[@biglug9364]

I am happy to see you towing a fifth-wheel on the outlet as most of us retired guys by the luxury trucks for pulling our fifth wheel trailers I would not be using a luxury hundred-thousand-dollar trailer to pull a flatbed with a backhoe on it I enjoy all your videos more content related to pulling RV trailers rather than flatbeds also as I have spent nearly $100,000 to buy my 2020 GMC Duramax dually I would not be using it for any torture test how's that money comes out of my pocket thanks guys

[@ribbit1964]

Love Mr Truck and Andrey Ike’s!

[@nicksevers8045]

I never actually realized how beautiful these trucks are. I wonder when we will get air suspension in the rear though.

[@andrewsbbq]

Great looking truck. And did I see a Silverado ZR2 Bison as a camera/support vehicle?

[@duramaxadventures5832]

HAPPY SATURDAY! I'll never be able to justify its cost but still cool to see what the truck that people take to teh grocery store and tow theri 6,000 lb RV can really do!

[@garysarratt1]

You will see us at the grocery store, but follow us back to the campground before you pass judgement.

[@davecummins4605]

Finally turned the cruise control on going downhill. first time i have seen that, and what do you know,,,it downshifted! nice work gents

[@TFLtruck]

Yes. Well it downshifted twice before I turned on cruise control.

[@davecummins4605]

@@TFLtruck nice! why didnt yall not do it before? you would leave it off, and hit the brakes and expected it to downshift... these trucks just dont work that way!

[@davelariviere682]

What a great review! Thank you for keeping this fun guys👍

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@robedmund9948]

6.6 Gasser with the 10-speed, please, towing a similar rig. Most people don't need a diesel any more.

[@TheUnsureFox]

Wow! That thing accelerates with 13,500lbs on it as fast as my 92 F-350 IDI does unladen!

[@motofunk1]

Mongoose used to make a bmx bike in the early 80's in that Vader Chrome. Man I wanted that bike so bad :).

[@nospark333]

Mongoose Pro Class, I had one.

[@motofunk1]

@@nospark333 Jealous :) loved my huffy, heavy as a boulder but tough as a tank.

[@brockloy2210]

I love the ultimate and probably would be in market for it if it was offered in the gasser, love it probably just go with the at4 now or possibly at4x hd

[@Ducatiman75]

Great review as always. Love that y'all used an actual toy-hauler! 🙂

[@TaigaTurf]

How does this exhaust brake compare to the Cummins?

[@tikkin11]

5 stars for the new hat(s)!!

[@tikkin11]

Just realized yall wearing those cause it's Derby Day!

[@imkwuzn]

Great video. I agree with Mr. truck, 36 gallons is plenty and the price is competitive. Should be a full 5 stars!

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@arkhsm]

Not when Ford offers up to 48 gallons !!

[@dmytromural]

Next time I am having trouble figuring out what I can tow I am calling my collage professor ))

[@Dive-Bar-Casanova]

My only question is do they feel the increased power with the 2024 DMAX engine? Our will be delivered next week.

[@Vince.sharp.guy007]

All I can think is “that sun roof is a joke”

[@joseramos7476]

Mr truck and Andre are great

[@TFLtruck]

Aw. Thanks.

[@kadimsilahtar]

Thats just so simple: class leading, period.

[@HappyValueFrameWork]

WE LOVE THE IKE GAUNTLET!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@kkamp0528]

Love you guys together never separate ever 😂😂😂

[@TFLtruck]

Thank you for the kind words.

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@shannonyork5300]

So why not use the Cruise Control for the entire up-hill and down-hill test? That would remove the "human error" of, for example, not keeping it at 60 mph in the up-hill segment. Cheers,

[@Backwoodsrider]

You need to do the King of the Ike 10 year. What truck is still the King.

[@AgentSmith911]

MPG isn't that bad, considering the wind resistance. I remember an F-250 a few years ago got 2.3 MPG towing on the Ike.

[@Cbat124]

Love the presenting combo!

[@TFLtruck]

Thank you.

[@MrTruckTV]

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[@GotronFerret]

I love how they "fixed" the mismatched trim color piece from the 1500. Having a dark vader chrome grill and a bright shiny chrome lower trim piece is just lazy... and it looks cheap. Not to mention the other original chrome trim that was ignored (and still is). The 2500 is MUCH better with a matching grill. Hopefully they fix that on the 1500. As crazy as it sounds, it's the main thing keeping me from buying a 1500 Denali Ultimate. Although I may just say "screw it" and get a 2500. Too bad it doesn't fit in the garage. :(