illymation: Criticism Not Welcome

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[@SuhayI]

We should deplatform your haircut

[@its.vivienne]

NAH THATS CRAZYYYYYYY

[@KillerMoth_Stumpy]

NAH THATS CRAZYYYYYYY

[@tristan5538]

NAH THATS CRAZYYYYYYY

[@lua2wood]

ONLY IN OHIO FR 💀

[@Stowbu]

😂😂😂😂

[@carolinewhichard1541]

stop i legitimately just got recommended an illy vid then the no sleep vid a couple hours ago, then i get to the tomdark breakdown 30 mins after its up😭😭😭i love observing drama from like 3 degrees of separation away

[@tmo_117]

Tom the kinda guy to start mass flagging by buying a bunch of flags

[@redbigun]

If she wants to argue that Think Before You Sleep is one of those "everything I don't like is woke" types, sure go for it. But, at least watch the videos you're trying to take down.

[@minditris9229]

I've watched his videos. Even if he tries making actual arguments on occasion, the arguments themselves grow specifically from the idea he thinks something is woke. Him and his audience's ideals are for targeting the exact kind of person Illy is and making it out to be an agenda of woke fat feminism and tattoos killing the female industry and he benefits coming at trying to look like the good guy for being cancelled.

[@disgustof-riley8338]

Nah, cause he also hates right wing Kiwifarm types

[@reiianyt]

KiwiFarms are non-partisan losers. They rag on everyone equally - probably why Sean doesn't like them.

[@MarquaviusDingleton]

tom please do a cigarette tierlist I beg

[@Danispissed]

Based on

[@Danispissed]

Based.

[@Account4yt69]

Cancermaxxing

[@SneedBass]

Mentholmaxxing

[@whateverwhatever4026]

Newport S Tier Everything else F

[@Speeedrunn]

I love the streisand effect

[@GabrielTobing]

The streisand effect is absolutely just wow every time XD

[@1-eye-willy]

im a fledgling creator, and when i turned notifications off and quit checking the YT studio app so much my piece of mind has gotten alot better. reading that shit will do you no good

[@blockingsea]

started watching, and felt bad for eating pizza. going to the gym to use it as a part of my bulking arc

[@bigboi9856]

Dont forget to start doing trenbolone and dry scooping Gfuel

[@blockingsea]

@@bigboi9856 Thanks for reminding

[@breadlast]

TBYS: very well spoken and articulate Turkey Thomas: NERD EMOJI NERD EMOJI NERD EMOJI

[@BobGeanis]

He wasn't speaking in ebonics like Tom is used to

[@breadlast]

@@BobGeanis Tom speaks in Zoomer nonsense

[@reiianyt]

Did Sean give you a little kiss on the cheek for this comment?

[@breadlast]

@@reiianyt idk who Sean is

[@klncrtr]

She went hard into the "it's not my fault and it will never be be my fault i'm like this." Content.

[@DoctorDownvote]

if she can't handle criticism for her takes,she shouldn't post rant videos lol. she could get by with mindless relatable animation slop.

[@ChrisBenoitBrainAutopsy]

why does she draw herself skinny?

[@deeplynotsorry]

I thought her video was saying “Eat what you want and don’t feel bad about it” and not go off the hanger and eat everything in sight to make you unhealthy- And its a bit weird to give a KZbinr you don’t know unsolicited advice about their appearance and what they should do to help it

[@Moggus1]

She did say to eat what you want and don't beat yourself up about it. TBYS cut out a very crucial, but small portion of the video that warps what she said.

[@zekolonon]

For people curious this is NOT TBYS’s actual voice, it’s his video/essay voice, while he talks like a normal dude in his interview with ACheeto.

[@KartalaBreed]

I like some of his videos because he makes good points a lot of the time, but I do wish he'd sound like that in his video essays though. It's easier to listen to if I'm being honest.

[@SusuLakuProductions]

Think Before You Sleep, nah, for Ilyssa it would be Think Before You Eat

[@darkplasmo7921]

i was dying, when she said the caffs were to gig to fit in to boots that is proper USA fat, XD I did not even know that was possible and with UGGs i would have hit the breaking point 100 pounds ago at that point

[@wowitsfriff]

@@darkplasmo7921 I was dying when people knew grammar and spelling XD

[@darkplasmo7921]

@@wowitsfriff English isn't my first language, what does it matter if I write something insignificant a little wrong

[@wowitsfriff]

@@darkplasmo7921 oh my bad I thought you were another kid in the comments focusing on this other than school

[@darkplasmo7921]

@@wowitsfriff I do understand the confusion at 12 years old I would have still written the same and did do so from your profile pic, I can guess that you are a fan of the 🐮

[@granolabarjay]

Tom is 21 and already has a receding hairline yikes

[@ItsAlwaysThem]

I heck'n loooove my reddit tier safe racism where I replace white with "colonial" and proceede to bash said culture because I'm a heck'n wholesome chungus ally!!!!

[@reiianyt]

Fish-defficient diet detected. Omega-3lets should NOT be allowed to partake in public discourse.

[@MikaSan-h8x]

Honestly when I hear about body positivity,my personal view on this topic is that "while acknowledging that being overweight is bad for people and health in general, overweight people deserve respect just like any other human being, while being aware of need to change to better themselves" I know I'm fat but I don't need to make it my whole personality or be reminded of it at every moment of my existence. I know it's a problem,I'm trying to better my body to be healthy and love myself even more,but on the way,I want to be treated normally,you get me? Glorification of being fat isn't okay, but also bullying people because of that isn't okay either. Harmless jokes are obviously out of the question,but straight up bullying shouldn't take place either

[@CruelestChris]

Problem is that they cause actual problems for society, like needing hospitals to have heavy-duty beds designed for zoo animals, requiring firefighters to use specialised lifting equipment, needing multiple seats anywhere there's seating, not fitting inside crematoriums, etc. Morbidly obese people create a whole series of problems outside of their own bodies. They physically _cannot_ be treated normally.

Watching toms video feeling the femininity leaving my body #man #male #alpha

[@baligong3592]

Ilymations seems very drunk on Power

[@steamkake]

Have you guys ever played Mario kart DS

[@mrmoki2]

Yes

[@estoria3933]

Yes, it's a great game.

[@PebblepantsTV]

Yes

[@redikaicore]

I used to play it all the time with my cousins. Those are some of my best childhood memories.

[@alek.mccutcheom3007]

How do you unlock the other cups

[@ReventonSpeed]

Tom the type of guy to be frightened by something and say “golly that scared the jeepers out of me!”

[@yvaincallipso84]

Did you fully watch her video? Because TBYS cut out and stitched stuff together to completely misrepresent her argument and make her look ignorant and awful. And this might be me but her answering a question on Tumblr (and nowhere else) on a post with less than 100 notes that she wished the video misrepresenting her and sending death and rape threats would get reported for harassment (which is nowhere near full on deplatforming) is pretty justified. You really just took everything at face value and spread misinformation that encouraged people to dox her.

[@axyndey]

you're blowing the situation out of proportion, the only thing he cut out was a line where she noted a precaution to the "carrots are the same as chocolate" line. That didn't really change much lol. Also it doesn't matter if the tumblr post holds a small percentage of her fanbase, people'll still see it. I agree that the comments and threats that resulted from tbys' video are pretty stupid and shouldn't have happened, it doesn't justify her poor way of handling the situation (refusal to watch the actual video and only rely on a friend's summary, suggest reporting the video when he didn't directly do anything wrong, etc.)

[@samanthasmith733]

Brainwashed.

[@ZnamTwojaMama101]

Reasoning with these people​ is futile. Why even try when they ignore the truth.@@axyndey

[@Funniman23421]

Just because one idiot decided to dox someone doesn’t mean that it’s TBYS’s fault. You KZbinr literally didn’t watch the video and decided to tell her viewers to mass report it for almost no reason. What TBYS did is make a video about his thoughts and opinions on her video and like the egotistical person she seems to be she decided to harass him for making the video.

[@supadupakizzatron9000]

the 2nd time Tom has ran with something without evidence

[@bion-geek-le1109]

I think illy didn't notice that body types are a major factor with working out, my cousin ok, he's 6 foot, a very wide, if you didn't know any better you'd say he's fat, but he works as a emergency responder and a part time construction worker, he built like a brick wall, my point is that Illy probably thinks she's "fat" but it might just be she has a different body type to what she compares herself to, in other words, don't listen to her advice about your body, because she clearly doesn't know much about her own

[@mattcoakes5682]

I think the best point: If you want this to end just stop making it a thing. Someone criticized you online. If you don't like the criticism, you can engage with it or ignore it. Things like expressing negative opinions about one's fashion sense or research approach is simply not harassment. To not watch a video and to call it harassment is just wild. If you think there was slander then address what you think is slanderous if that's important for you. If you "just want it to be over", then why make it a thing?

[@MrPipol-nm3cd]

My problem with all of this, is that the ThinkBeforeYouSleep guy think he didn't do anything wrong when he just spent like half of his video making judgmental opinions about how she looked.

[@NikkiLayne]

Maybe watch all of both videos before you form your opinion...

[@rcubik7263]

It doesn’t matter bro, just because someone pokes fun at someone/ criticizes them doesn’t mean they should encourage a mass flag lol

[@whateverwhatever4026]

Illy claimed anyone walking behind her is grape....

[@wowitsfriff]

where? I know she talked about being sexually harassed by a man who stood behind her but she never said she raped her

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

@@wowitsfriffsexual harassment is grape to these people.

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

@@wowitsfriffbeing a Stan for ilymation is wild.

[@wowitsfriff]

@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 I'm not just think it's bad to put words in her mouth, I used to watch her and I guess be a Stan but I stopped that like 5 years ago. Being sexually harassed is *very* different than being sexually assaulted and I think it's important to make that distinction

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

@@wowitsfriff I agree. She’s putting thoughts into the heads of children. I don’t feel bad about assuming her positions.

[@machomanalexyt5736]

Tom the type of guy to see something shocking and say "Gee whiz"

[@tashacooper1753]

This blew up more than she properly expects when she gets back from vacation

[@exhaustedrose]

tom the type of guy to get his parasocial followers to mass report a channel that makes a video about him

[@Astro62701]

I better not see another “Tom the type” as top comment

[@lwillimas]

Tom the type of guy to say "I'm dropping the kids off at the pool" when telling someone he's going to take a shit

[@dimitri7615]

Tom the type of guy to make a alt account to try to convince people to stop saying "Tom the kind of guy to-".

[@anidiotthatexistsbutprobab5084]

I mean I'm not a fan of the whole body image problem because my big sister has an eating disorder where she refuses to eat sometimes, but I'm not saying being fat is okay.

[@Clownkhitty]

I gotta be honest. Even though he has a point, he sounds so condescending and annoying that it’s hard to side with him 💀

[@armyofuno8196]

He's one of those people that didn't like the Batman because it was too "woke" (there was minorities)

[@Clownkhitty]

@@armyofuno8196 tracks…

[@patsagonsaechin3006]

@@armyofuno8196Same type of people that'd label anyone they don't like as incel or misogynistic I guess.

[@Clownkhitty]

@@patsagonsaechin3006 what do you even mean by this

[@mrfishmanelite4687]

Think before you sleep was in the chat lmao

[@mrfishmanelite4687]

anyways this channel and TBYS are my most viewed channels by far

[@mrfishmanelite4687]

also TBYS watches Turkey?

[@Moggus1]

Dont hate Illymation, especially because she did nothing wrong, she never glorified obesity. Nothing of the sorts. Watch the goddamn video, dont take things at face value before you form an opinion.

[@alexisfreeze]

“Eat whatever you want” -Ily Never glorified obesity? Sure buddy. 😂

[@bringyourownbombs]

@@alexisfreezeshe adds that its obviously gonna be different for people who have health issues right after that..? good job on following the mob and not even looking into her

[@Funniman23421]

She also mass flagged a video for no reason other than the fact that it hurt her feelings when she didn’t even watch it…

[@DOOMslayer32020]

I watched both illys video and tbys (illys first so I was unbiased) she says and I quote "food is just food" before you say I cut out the part before that even if I did put that there that wouldn't change anything because even if you don't have any medical conditions or allergies being medically obese is still bad for you

[@annenoose6444]

I hear a lot of people bring up that she's neurodivergent and thus cant't be 100% at fault. Is that in any way a reason why she did that?

[@Knee_Boy64]

It's not that KZbin shouldn't be allowed to deplatform users. It's that the act of deplatforming should be jeered and criticized in an effort to get them to stop doing it so impetuously.

[@jogugaga7121]

Ok but think before you sleep is literally me.

[@unfairstorm6418]

Nobody: *Tom and his Lego haircut

[@skippyanderson38]

20 seconds and no views

[@JaMeshuggah]

Still funny, right? Right??

[@unknownsoldier6731]

Enough of this

[@Jojo-rm3nm]

Tom's really fallen off 😔

[@fvjisinferno207]

We up

[@-Knox.]

Tom the typa guy to say „where would I hide if I was …“ when he‘s searching for something

[@ornji]

"my own fans roast me for my haircut all the time" maybe if you didnt get such a shit haircut that wouldn't happen lmao gottem

[@hazybubblegum]

"many people think theyre ugly, when they're not, they just have bad fashion" fucking sent me

[@Redthanial]

you just gotta fashionmaxx

[@TheGriftcast]

Gatekeep. 🌉 Gaslight.⛽️Girlboss~!💖

[@mrniceguy3129]

Hes definitely right about the haircut. If she just got a hairstlye that covered her big ass forehead she would look a lot better

[@AlastairCreed]

He's right. Most people are mid at worst. People just dress and present themselves in disgusting ways. The average mf is not a ghoul if they put in any effort.

[@tescomealdeals4613]

Exactly, can’t be complainmaxxing when you aren’t even looksmaxxing

[@HeicleeNoseworthy]

tom the type of guy to call someone “pal” when he’s mad at them

[@Johncenaloveschina]

Toms fans as hilarious as ever.

[@pusslicious]

we still doing this shit? 😭

[@DrDiddler1]

Listen here pal

[@HeicleeNoseworthy]

@@pusslicious i’m the last of this type of guy breed in the commentary community

[@dudman_itsme5926]

🤖

[@infjmale91]

"yes, I didn't watch it, a friend did tho and gave me a run down" - *You've lost Karma*

[@Future_Max]

"You are now Vilified by the KZbin Community"

[@ghhn4505]

Yes le heckin' reddit- i mean epic fallout karma!!! I got the heckin' referencirino!! Take my ebin updoot!

[@Nicholas-iu9jb]

@@ghhn4505karma isn’t a Reddit thing although they did make it cringe fucking retard get off the internet

[@ChickenKinglolz]

​@@ghhn4505boop the doggo on the noserino

[@fastener8361]

Unironic reddit reference on a youtube video in 2024 its so over

[@invrl]

Funny how Tom says that TBYS isn't beating the nerd emoji allegations while simultaneously losing to the School Shooter Haircut allegations

[@jackc8034]

tom never beats the allegations (foreshadowing)

[@abubacarrjeng5080]

LMAOOOO

[@star4326]

@@jackc8034bro is hyping up the groomer expose twitter thread💀

[@angel_of_rust]

painting nerds in a negative light is overrated

[@dobbiereals]

two things can be true at once. If i ever see TBYS make a video im gonna asume its codded in a bunch of gander biased attacks and women this, women that as that was what he would normally make. he was an incel creator. most people do not take him seriously do to his reputation.

[@RhinoTTH]

"Perks of being The Fat Kid" draws their OC skinny. The cope is unreal

[@whateverwhatever4026]

Watch the actual videos. She drew a literally 500lb lady as just a little rounder. She's delusional.

[@Chloeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee]

LMAO ongggg

[@theoddbox]

She's not even fat in that picture she's crying about looking fat in, like seriously look it up, shes not fat she's just super duper insecure and wears ugly clothes

[@fuzzyfailure2691]

@@whateverwhatever4026look mate, she’s on those power moves, she leaves her jawline at HOME

[@somerandomguy7325]

Yes didn’t even look bad it was the dress

[@Nightman221k]

The funniest part that you skipped over was TBYS pointing out that Illy draws the fat body positive guru she idealizes for diet advice as the same body type as her character but with a smidge of bulk. The woman in question is morbidly obese to a clearly unhealthy degree. TBYS was like, “this is who you want to take body advice from?”

[@inopes3628]

Btw, TBYS also poses as someone competent, who can give nutrition and fitness advice in this video - and yet outs himself as believer in baseless, half-baked woo (like his ramblings about the Candida) - and when it comes to the merit, shouldn’t be let off the hook.

[@tescomealdeals4613]

@@inopes3628im sorry bro but what is “woo”

[@akaKuiper]

@@inopes3628 Actually watch his video, he's been in the fitness industry for years. He is more competent than some KZbin animator telling anybody to eat whatever they feel like

[@lindholmaren]

@@tescomealdeals4613 "woo" is like what people call "woo woo", like spooky spiritual goofy stuff. Idk if there's actually any proof about the funny body fungus system, but it's far from the most wacky stuff people believe in.

[@thespacedisland5746]

What exactly did he did he say? Can I get link to the video in which he said this?

[@TheDigitalApple]

A KZbinr who presented themselves as wholesome but in reality will flip the switch if you so much as disagree with her and her name starts with “Ill”. Where have I heard that before?

[@ShiningTaiga]

Hey I’ve seen this one I’ve seen this one it’s a classic.

[@GutsOfRivia]

Most people who on the surface market themselves as "wholesome" usually hiding somthing.

[@nicholas-dv1mg]

boogie2988? he was the Mister rogers of the internet, now just a lolcow.

[@Ouvabelle]

..... God it's giving me flashbacks. Illuminati... 😢

[@The_Funniest_Cut]

Oh god

[@jonesy279]

“Diet culture is rooted in colonial belief” is peak “I’m 14 and this is deep” goofinesss 😂

[@arthas640]

it makes zero sense too since colonial era European cultures often considered "full figured women" as the ideal. Just look at Victorian era art of nude or scantily clad women and you'll see they're all pudgy compared to modern beauty standards. Also "diet culture" exists quite heavily in countries that were never colonized like western countries, China, and Japan.

[@AbsentMinded619]

It goes all the way back to the Romans. Wealthy Romans had wives who rarely left the house and gained a lot of weight. They were well-respected matrons and were viewed positively. Their husbands didn’t mind because they were having frequent sex with skinny prostitutes.

[@ghhn4505]

"diet culture is rooted in colonial belief" then i'm the mayflower

[@hxjjdjd606]

@@arthas640 They were colonized by westerners, but you’re right about the fact that the beauty standard of pale and extremely thin and small predicated the Europeans coming in

[@safs3098]

@@hxjjdjd606 Japan, China and Korea had thinness as a beauty standard and enforced Diets on their women to remain thin for thousands of years when Europeans were still mostly tribal and lived in forests.

[@theicepickthatkilledtrotsk658]

Fat acceptance, tumblr, long completely inoffensive responses that get targeted. Is this 2024 or 2014?

[@INCELCOWORKER]

Gamergate is back so it might as well be 2014

[@uglypuppy9042]

​​@@INCELCOWORKER time is a flat circle

[@KarazolaX]

I remember when I first heard the term "thin privilege" as part of a 4chan greentext story and I thought it wasn't real, or was some isolated psycho woman and thought it was just a ridiculous story But it's become the norm

[@crusaderkaiser2000]

@@KarazolaX Clown world has gone too far

[@teddieprox2307]

​@KarazolaX you the same type of person to claim that tall men get treated better than short ones

[@FiIjEe]

TomDark fans be the type of people to run a joke into the ground

[@DarkestKnightshade]

Poppy butt face toilet There, according to Tom I made a joke funny

[@basedchicana1776]

Glad to see you joining in

[@dogeboithedoomslayer]

Erm…..but le generalization!

[@IHateSmilingFriendsTheTVShow]

They didn't even make up the type of guy shit💀 that's been drakes whole thing for years

[@SillyLittlePookie]

Fr oml

[@toytacambery9427]

Everybody clowns on the stock images, but that's one of my favorite things about TBYS videos. I must be the only one who likes to look at nice landscapes and architecture instead of a Fortnite character frozen in mid-air when I pause to hit my bowl.

[@arthas640]

same. There are WAAAAY too many KZbinrs who's whole video are just random minecraft game play footage

[@p40v1der13]

Everytime I watch one of his videos I always imagine him having a conversation with the viewer in the same landscape image lmao

[@pikminologueraisin2139]

the landscapes look good so I ain't complaining

[@CalsGirl97]

Nah I agree too

[@blocky074]

Yeah, it’s just soothing.

[@2735angel]

I love how all of this would have blown over in less than a few days and she would be completely fine and forget about it if she didn't order her cult to attack him

[@SneedBass]

I'll take what is the Steisand effect for $200, Alex

[@minditris9229]

TBYS loves the drama though. He's been in it plenty of times with several other KZbinrs which he even says himself, he just can't take it as well as he wants to pretend he can so he appeals to the exact opposite side Illy is by calling everything "woke" so his audience gets mad. It's the same cycle over and over. It's all for views and numbers and this time he chose someone who didn't want to take it.

[@Mapper-ov6zh]

@minditris9229 massive cope with zero evidence, how’s illyssa’s boot tasting btw

[@mistertagomago7974]

@@minditris9229 Calling everything woke is cringe but you cant frame this like Illy just didnt want to take his shit. She didnt watch his video. I did watch it. First time I watched a video by him. He mostly gave her proper criticism and was honestly nicer about it than she deserves.

[@suitdoggy4707]

@@minditris9229 I'm sorry but what? Illymation is objectively in the wrong here. Even if someone found fault in TBYS's video. What Illymation is doing not only goes against ToS but is also pathetic as a youtuber herself. She isn't standing up for herself. She is using her large audience to try an deplatform a youtuber that made a video she didn't like let alone didn't even watch. So essentially she's trying to get him deplatformed because he MIGHT have said something she didn't like. Rather or not TBYS loves drama or wants views has nothing to do with this.

[@DJHASDIMONDS]

og tom fan know that this isn't the first time a barber has fucked up tom's whole shit

[@KarazolaX]

Turkey Tom the type of guy to say 'Hi' back to a video that starts with 'Hi guys'.

[@dxcvvxd]

who is turkeytom 🧐

[@Really_Big_Moth]

@@dxcvvxdtorkey thompson

[@Account4yt69]

​@@dxcvvxd a copycat of Tom dark

[@dxcvvxd]

@@Account4yt69 i've checked his channel and i can confidently say that turkeytom is the type of guy to make commentary videos

[@Rex-qf7en]

wait he LITERALLY does this in the video 0:52

[@alexandermagnus82]

Calling a critic a "creep" is a really good way to play at emotions, especially those of the female audience. It immediately sends signals that make their "ick" senses go off, and they will almost always side with the woman calling someone a creep vs the "creep"

[@Legitpenguins99]

Creep or Pedo is the new Nazi of yesteryear. It's just the worst thing you can slander somebody with in the current social climate. What it does do is completely devalue the word. In 2016 I heard about this Nazi called Richard Spencer, I thought "yeah sure he is" because I heard it 100 times before. Turns out the guy was a 100% certified neo Nazi fascist. Currently the same thing applies to "creep" and "pedo"

[@elianwyn]

Dude came from the other side of the internet to cringely "debunk" her video about body acceptance and then call her political for acknowledging climate change lmao Creep is pretty accurate.

[@Firstnamewastaken]

@@elianwyn Hope she sees this bro.

[@alexandermagnus82]

@elianwyn If someone wants to critique his vid, youre free to do so. As should he be able to critique hers. That's the noteworthy part of the situation imo-using scummy means to deflect criticism.

[@theepicboi8915]

​@@elianwyneveryone should be able to critique anything on the Internet doesn't matter what side or type of stuff you make, that's the cycle Plus it's not like he just did it for no reason. The information she gives could actually be harmful and impactful in people's lives, you can't just say being fat is good and to accept it that's delusional. I'm personally on the bigger side and know the problems if I continue to go down this path That doesn't mean people should be aggressive and mean to fat people that's not cool in the slightest. everyone is a human being but we should all know being fat and pretending what you eat doesn't matter really is a horrible mindset to have and I hope you understand that

[@macho_.]

Tom the type of guy to say yippee while going on a slide

[@cake_0078]

i kinda want to see it now lol, time to animate...

[@jakith7444]

tbh that's kinda based

[@Undergamer12]

Hey! I do that

[@shimmyashimmya]

The Woke Cycle: Make an awful take> Get critiqued fairly> Cry> Harass> Restart

[@randomuser5443]

Its always an ism or ist

[@vonnie0_0]

@randomuser5443 Or a phobic

[@rockmycd1319]

Le Woke cycle*

[@SteveFard]

​@@randomuser5443, phobe

[@stingysmailbox8209]

That's why we call them crybullies

[@JC-hf7zt]

Real talk, tough but REASONABLY tough love is what the whole "fat acceptance" type of people need. You should love yourself. You shouldn't love something that negatively affects your health. Obesity can be and often is SO much more dangerous than stuff like smoking cigarettes, and nobody blinks twice when someone tells a loved one "hey that shits fucking with your health" . If someone is straight up "picking at you", go at em, but don't treat something like legitimate concern for an OBJECTIVE issue to be bullying.

[@thebestbud]

This!! A huge flaw I see in fat acceptance is them saying "love yourself" while actively supporting something that hurts you. It's completely self destructive and is fostering a unhealthy mindset that you shouldn't need to work on yourself, even if your bad habits are debilitating. It's like me saying I like stabbing my hand with a fork. Does it hurt me? Yeah. Does it make things harder for me? Definitely. Will I stop? No, because I love myself sooo much and stabbing my hand with forks is just apart of who I am. What do you mean it's unhealthy? You're being very forkphobic.

[@JC-hf7zt]

Exactly. Loving yourself MEANS LOVING YOURSELF. Especially with the all or nothing attitude they have wirh acceptance, it's funny how many half steps they actually take in practice. And forkphobic lol, it reminds me how people are in general staunchly against enabling anorexia, even people that do enable cant do it openly without the world tearing them apart. Loving yourself isnt just a feeling, its something that you have to actively do, and man i wish some of these body positivity influencers realized that.

[@abandonedacc]

I remember watching her original video & found a few things she said off. I'm not an active supporter of fat acceptance & while I don't think people should be made fun of for being fat, it shouldn't be something that is considered "okay" for your health & I'm glad she was called out for this

[@chipifarts]

same i agree

[@tarost602]

I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH HER, she was actually super chill. but i havent seen her since we were 17. carzy to see tom talking about an old friend. I was on the swim team from her swim video and she drew it so accurately it still brings back memories.

[@hxjjdjd606]

Popularity does things to people

[@lordz19]

has your view of her changed?

[@tarost602]

Yeah I would say, funny thing is her little bro started a band when he was like 16 that has a very popular song but he mellowed out with his popularity and fame and it seems lissa did not.

[@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778]

college does have a interesting way of changing bright young people into completely different people.

[@angel_of_rust]

and i hate how nowdays it's for the worse you've probably heard of the trend of art-type girls falling into that rabbithole one of my own highschool batchmates went that way, she was one of the more art-inclined in our batch a year into college she fuckin shaved her head and became nonbinary, and we were in a third world country where American first-world problems shouldnt have to exist. western ideology is negatively sick@@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778

[@neubaufahrzeug9339]

Kind of missed the point about global warming. He wasn't saying you shouldn't tell your kid about global warming it's that you shouldn't be telling your kid the world is ending because of it.

[@reirei135]

Exactly. It seemed to me that tbys was more worried about whether her message was age appropriate when it's clear that her content is made to appeal to children

[@cbou713]

if i remember right her first video is about being groomed right? i don’t know if her fanbase is all kids, it seems more just 20ish year old leftist youtube stuff to me

[@laurendearnley9595]

There's a massive difference between "its important to reduce, reuse and recycling so we dont waste money and hurt the environment" and "THE WORLD IS ENDING".

[@CătălinaMaria1896]

Sorry but that's the truth. Because no one is doing anything to solve this problem. Just a few activists being ridiculed.If we continue to live in indifference and denial, this will be the result. Because we are the cause and it will continue if we do nothing. So yes! People need to be aware that there is a huge possibility that we will disappear. At least think 3 times before having children

[@neubaufahrzeug9339]

@@CătălinaMaria1896 Do you think just because something is the truth it's appropriate to talk to a kids about?

[@darklordsatan4383]

About the whole fashion thing, TBYS was totally right. So many people think they are ugly, because they try to imitate the looks of celebrities when it comes to fashion and makeup, not taking into consideration their own body type and colors being vastly different from said celebrities, hence needing different fashion and makeup to match. Had he claimed to be a gay man, then he wouldn't have gotten this anger from those women in response. I, as a woman, actually really appreciate it when people share this knowledge. But I notice that women tend to take more offense if a man tells them, instead of another woman, or a gay man. But regardless, TBYS gave actual good advice in his video. He wasn't mean about it either, just very blunt and factual. I know many people think being blunt is rude, but he was in no way hateful or malicious.

[@haylidumont]

Gay or not, his advice was awful. He presented it in a very rude way, he insulted her appearance in numerous ways even saying she looked homeless. He was just stirring drama for views, that's all he does.

[@apolloandwarrior_3229]

Tbys is a grifter, look at his channel. Notice a pattern? He's a very well known misogynist

[@singithi8556]

@@haylidumontShe's not gonna date you pal, she's ace.

[@haylidumont]

@@singithi8556 Perhaps when you reach adulthood you will realise that most people are not constantly preoccupied with looking for a date.

[@haylidumont]

@@Leviathan99-h8l The criticism was plain rude, uncalled for, undeserved, and very hypocritical, considering TBYS gives the absolute worst advice, having no credentials whatsoever to comment on appearance. Mobilising multiple youtuber communities against her IS bullying. A grown 27 year old woman with an autism diagnosis, who was just trying to reassure and comfort people who were in similar situations to those she had been in. You view this in such a one-sided way. Expecting kindness from a group of 20 or less year olds seems like trying to bleed a stone.

[@TheTGOAC]

Never trust anyone who presents themself as overly positive and wholesome. They are always the most vile malicious people you will ever meet.

[@isuckatusernames4297]

much more satifying to befriend an "edgy" type of person and learning their softer side/getting used to it.

[@DrDiddler1]

Im definitely edging to this one

[@titanium_meat]

real

[@motmot_is_watching]

Based

[@cevan5042]

This is my first time here

[@wolfieishumle]

epic 🫡

[@Nahtan.9758]

goon maxxer alert

[@Skoopyghost]

As a gymbro. You can change how you look.

[@Drako9823]

True. One would be surprised how much just one ounce of adipose in your face can change its entire shape.

[@wowitsfriff]

so the fact that everyone is different and that doesn't work for everyone just doesn't exist because you're a gymbro? she's the healthiest she's ever been

[@arthas640]

i've been a 40 pound underweight cancer patient and a 30 pound overweight couch potato and it always bugs me how many people flatly refuse to admit that you have total control over your weight and fitness. During chemo i had to despicably find any foods i could stomach that could keep me at a healthy weight. I also went from a 0wheelchair bound chemo patient so weak i had to relearn how to walk. It's not easy, you have to make sure you're eating controlled, healthy AND you need a strict workout regime. I mean imagine all the normal diet and workout problems that people like her deal with ad imagine ALSO being so radioactive that yo can use an airport wiht0oput setting off gieger counters and you're pissing blood daily. You can abosuktyl control your weight.

[@666Shinedown]

​@@arthas640 Ay, you're a legend mate.

[@Undergamer12]

@@arthas640 Keep pushing foward man, you are a legend.

[@thatonecrayon9923]

Its so frustrating seeing people like her turning out to be like this, i remember when i was 14 or 15 and saw her video about her experience with sexual abuse and being the victim of a predator and i at the time was going through something similar and it was comforting to see someone talking about, now its just upsetting to hear about her being this entitled

[@PhilReotardo]

ngl its very refreshing to see someone who was a fan, able to drop their bias and view this situation with fresh eyes. youre awesome, hope all is great for you now.

[@thatonecrayon9923]

@@PhilReotardo thank you and i hope all is well for you too! I think its really important to hold people in a place of acknowledging both rights and wrongs rather than trying to defend wrongs and highlight the rights :)

[@DrawciaGleam02]

I watched her for a while too! I got respect for her when she made her mental health ward video..... ...while this drama saddens me, I'm not that surprised it happened with her prior videos and new info that has recently come out....

[@tyuptydown]

Yeah, it's just disappointing.

[@SkeletonS1S1]

Babe wake up, new lolcow dropped.

[@bruhmoment3106]

This would imply Illymations is actually entertaining to hate watch. She’s just another basic bitch in a sea of saltine crackers

[@fionasmith5200]

I’m genuinely fucking losing it with how many people are getting thrown to the wood chipper

[@cake_0078]

@@fionasmith5200 will wood

[@donovanberserk4993]

The wood must flow

[@brickmoss3480]

Barbra Streisand effect is gonna be the end of this woman's KZbin channel

[@arthas640]

true, id never even heard of her until she randomly attacked Think Before You Sleep.

[@lizaraVR]

isn't a call for false mass flagging against KZbin TOS? even if it is off site she would still be violating it.

[@whateverwhatever4026]

Hhhhyep. She ACTUALLY violated it in the poor attempt to attack him. Thats the ironic thing here.

[@lizaraVR]

@@whateverwhatever4026 I guess youtube didn't like my choice of words lol. hope she's the one taking the strike since she's the only one violating any rules. she has to learn

[@whateverwhatever4026]

@@lizaraVR Oh they don't listen to their own rules and make them up as they go. But because she's a leftist with all the victim complexes, she'll be in the "right" according to KZbin. That's the only constant rule, despite the hundreds they've written down.

[@philpaul9634]

Cool to know that 97 interactions on a website rarely used is a mass flagging attempt.

[@lizaraVR]

@@philpaul9634 the intent is there. sorry that tumblr is dead after banning NSFW because they kept posting CSAM on there so now all the degens use twitter and discord

[@ducc4741]

“Diet culture is propaganda” is an interesting bar i didnt think i would hear today 😅

[@AlkaRez]

Most of it is though. It's made to sell.

[@crowpen]

it really is tho. where are all the "gain weight fast!" ads? there are none. it's all about weight loss. all these magic pills and workouts and tasteless diets. it's a huge marketing tactic and it always has been. they point out peoples insecurities and take advantage of them, therefore making lots of $$$$$.

[@ducc4741]

@@crowpen there’s no doubt that greedy corporations profit off of people’s insecurity, just look at any ad for beauty products. However, claiming diet culture is propaganda is a great way to convince your brain that dieting is unnecessary and therefore leads to an unhealthy lifestyle. Instead of dismissing dieting through the mindset of “corporate bad” maybe just diet in spite of mega corporations 😭 Granted, the person who said that is young, and your diet doesn’t become a health problem until you’re in your late 30’s. Also, “Gain weight fast” ads do exist, its for people who want a healthier way to gain excess weight so they can use it to exercise, its for bodybuilding.

[@donovanberserk4993]

Sunlight is racist apparently

[@crowpen]

@samulhydenstein8208 I 100% agree with ya on that one!

[@vibingwithchaos5349]

She wants to stay fat, she wants to eat whatever she wants but she doesn't want to be criticized and insulted for it. That's basically her story told in a nutshell.

[@nextgennolan]

Except that she’s not fat anymore. Maybe do the slightest bit of research before making up stories about people in your head.

[@NM-jd9ck]

How is she fat? 1:10

[@Itariatan]

She's the one who called herself fat. She wanted to lose weight in the first place, then gave up and was coping about it in the video. Tbys made his video because she was giving horrible health advice and spreading misinformation. ​@@nextgennolan

[@minditris9229]

She's not even fat. No wonder someone who has an average body has issues with food when people like you exist. The issue is she has an eating disorder and can't tell what is and is not healthy for herself and has an incorrect image about her own weight.

[@Itariatan]

@@PorcelainSmile I mean, do you have an example? I feel like every time he's made a mistake, he's admitted it. To my knowledge.

[@froggybutt420]

body positivity and liking your body is well and good when you're healthy, but when you're literally DYING due to being overweight- there's an issue

[@Bullboy_Adventures]

Exactly. But there are a lot of people that think being morbidly obese and healthy at the same time is inconceivable

[@fisheggs6755]

​@@Bullboy_AdventuresI think there's also the problem of people confusing someone overweight or chubby with someone 'morbidly obese'

[@Bullboy_Adventures]

@@fisheggs6755 I see you miss a lot of points

[@felix_a_fiend]

Fr, being a little chubby is totally fine. Like you’re not gonna die from that.

[@modkip25]

You can die from being underweight.

[@ImpracticalShield]

Tom the type of guy to call himself "turkey tom" WHEN HES NOT EVEN A TURKEY

[@cake_0078]

he is a turkey,this is just his humansona

[@Sub5_77]

Dude's a greek salad

[@theicepickthatkilledtrotsk658]

0:14 Those are some weird titles for videos lol ''Why I got an abortion'' ''The problem with being Jewish''

[@zeldafreak1975]

Some might even say problematic 😂😂

[@TheDigitalApple]

Funny since abortions aren’t allowed in Jewish law.

[@carolinewhichard1541]

so funny how obviously clickbait-y the titles are, bordering on ragebait😭😭😭

[@yeahok6595]

There *is* a problem with being jewish tho

[@Gen_drawz]

They are some weird titles but i watched them both and the reason she had to get an abortion wasn’t for a baby or anything it was just something inside of her and to get it removed that would be considered an abortion. So like while the titles are def odd they aren’t exactly lying which is what most KZbin titles are now a days honestly

[@napoleonsrighthand]

Obesity is a societal issue. American cities are designed in a way that causes obesity. You have to go out of your way to get fit, so it's a lot easier to just run the fat acceptance grift. Fat acceptance isn't going away until it stops being normal to sit down 90% of the day.

[@NomastiAfricanWarlord]

This is a good point. Our society is designed in a way that makes being fat very easy. One of the reasons is how car centric our country is. You can't go anywhere without a car because cities aren't designed to be walkable and public transportation is limited. This is why rural areas tend to have more obesity than urban areas. People are discouraged from walking where they need to go.

[@gamingwhilebroken2355]

Canadian cities are just as bad and our obesity rate is significantly lower than the usa (almost half). In fact Canada’s obesity rate drop from roughly ~30% to just over 24% in the past decade

[@Acrylescent]

@@gamingwhilebroken2355 as that may be true it’s an American societal problem. Health care in particular is much different than Canada. If people could comfortably go to the doctor without it possibly costing you a months rent, we could probably catch issues sooner and get people into a better place. Even with health insurance you could unknowingly go to a doctor outside your network especially if it’s an emergency and be out tens of thousands of dollars. Obesity is as much an educational issue as it is a laziness issue.

[@Drako9823]

@Acrylescent I like how you make it a healthcare cost issue over the idea that the American diet is chock full of carbs and portion sizes are huge. Take responsibility for yourself. There is no link between being obese and being afraid to pay medical bills.

[@TheElitedeath]

Humans are naturally going to choose the path of least resistance, so if you live in a society with a lot of convenience, then most people will choose to be lazy, aka get fat. I don't think the solution is "well duh, just make things inconvenient again so that fatties HAVE to exercise regardless of what they want to do". I'm not defending America's car-dependence though, that's an entirely different issue that needs solving for different reasons...

[@ItsSualConnected]

illymation clearly didn't know what the streisand effect is

[@theonaicker2561]

She can't hide her critics and that big ass fivehead

[@sovietunion7643]

especially with TBYS just making a 3rd video on her, it certainly proves that. like he said before, had she done nothing no one would have even fucking remembered or cared he made a video about her, now her toddler trantrum is lighting up fireworks left and right.

[@TheRealKlausSchwab_]

Illy really hit em with the ol "oy vey, shut it down."

[@INCELCOWORKER]

Typical (((gem))) behavior

[@Row_of_E]

Nah bro we don't claim her please 💀

[@YeahNaw-]

@@Row_of_E They're all the same. Every. Single. Time.

[@NasimAghdamn]

💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@Row_of_E]

@@YeahNaw- that's just redhead girls in general

[@crapconnoisseur6691]

I’m miss when people were filming de@d bodies in forests. Yt drama is lame now

[@bigboi9856]

good times

[@RStheToon]

Yeah now it’s just: “AaAh nO ThIs PeRsoN DisaGrEe WiTh Me BaN tHem”

[@axoheartsyou]

2018 was truly peek

[@11sonicspeed]

omg yeah back then actual BAD things happened, now its just sensitive people getting mad at logic, "he said things i dont like" etc

[@pikminologueraisin2139]

can't believe we're feeling nostalgic over that ^^'

[@lookatme5939]

like most story time animators you cant critique them without them crying

[@mischiefofrats]

Remember the srpelo story time parody video when arin from game grumps had a fit on Twitter about a simple, in good fun parody? That always stuck out to me as goofy

[@lookatme5939]

@@mischiefofrats that srpepo story time animator video is peak

[@mischiefofrats]

@@lookatme5939 100% it's so funny

[@Jul-fu4yu]

Loli artist draws nsfw art of her sona with her abusive ex. And other KZbinrs Lily: I’m okay with that. TBYS makes a critical video Lily: Guys mass report his video at once!

[@rokukou]

Ewww whats the first person you mentioned thats wack how lily is ok with that?

[@Itariatan]

Sauce?

[@angrybread478]

Wtf why is she silent about that?!?

[@Personontheinternet4598]

@@Itariatansauce?

[@bruhmoment3106]

Lmao if this is true. Bitch seems to be way too insecure about herself that she literally draws herself in harmful situations

[@ethanfoster2601]

All the dudes calling tbys 🤓 just mad he bagged Brittany Venti

[@gregutz4284]

That's not something to be proud of. Venti is a goblin looking woman demon.

[@ethanfoster2601]

@@gregutz4284 You'd fuck her if you had the chance don't lie

[@kinghenry7058]

This whole video went like this: Ilymations says some dumby poopoo, Tom notes that it is dumby poopoo, then Tom hears TBYS nerd emoji voice and walks back his statements IMMEDIATELY. It happens over and over its so funny

[@kinghenry7058]

I had to take the curse words out of my comment because KZbin didnt like them 😵 I never thought cursing would be taken off the menu in 2024...

[@reiianyt]

your gf is gonna be SO mad when she finds out you've been riding this guy this hard smh

[@willzxq99]

The fall of illy needs to be studied

[@TheHellishAngel]

Are you going to talk about the many things that have happened since this video

[@Realhuman111]

He did, check !

[@ThinZar-tr2fo]

Also you own an apology for her for making the situation way worse. You are a part of problem.

[@logicallouis543]

dont care, sleep is dating a girl who flirted with children

[@axyndey]

...which invalidates everything he says?

[@average515]

People still use tumblr????? I thought that shit died in 2015 😂😂

[@w_irdkid]

LOLL yeah people are still active on Tumblr. I use Tumblr to post goofy stuff now but I can tell you it's just as bad as Twitter or Reddit. People are straight up mentally ill on there. I can't even describe some of the weird community rabbit holes I went down on there it's crazy

[@togek1ss]

all the mentally ill people that made tumblr horrible back in the day left for twitter so now the site is good again lol

[@dundeecake]

People also still use Facebook and Twitter (barely functional) and Insta - you know how that shit is. Tumblr allows video, audio and gif uploads and has a good organisation option so if you wanna just collect things it is just good for that. Like fashion or movies to watch or whatever. gifsets are the shit.

[@littlejack59]

I was a fan of illy before she even got super big but havent watched her in years glad to see that all the fame went straight to her head

[@bigboi9856]

Fame is a strong word

[@littlejack59]

@@bigboi9856 eh having millions of followers is a pretty big thing Ya she ain't no superstar but I think people forget about the scale of things. 1mil is a crazy amount of people, the only reason why people don't think it is anymore is because you can get 50 million views on every tik tok you make and most people will still not know who you are. If it was the year 2000 and a song got 50 million listens or something then most people will know their name (at least in america) because stuff like youtube, Instagram, tik tok, etc, didn't exist to expose us to every talented or interesting person on the planet. Niche micro celebrities didn't exist until the internet, but having enough clout to have fans that want to meat you at conventions is a pretty big deal.

[@Thiqqqtoriasecret]

Im someone who is an adult fat woman, and qualified to talk about being fat my entire life..just cus she was a fat kid, she's now a skinnier adult?? Why is she speaking about this. I agree with nerd emoji man on most of his points

[@chopsandtoots]

Bahahah that last sentence got me

[@wowitsfriff]

She mainly talked about how people view curvy people as fat

[@Thiqqqtoriasecret]

@wowitsfriff3614 again, she's pretty "straight" sized. Idk if she has room to talk about curvy or fat if she doesn't really live in that body defined as such. Trust me. I'm a professional fat.

[@wowitsfriff]

@@Thiqqqtoriasecret fair enough, also professional fat is such a good job title 😭

[@Thiqqqtoriasecret]

@@wowitsfriff if you too are on the fat spectrum, feel free to use it 😉

[@tunasandwich8049]

This feels really nostalgic criticizing the art community

[@Millticker]

think before you dox by Noah Samsen

[@Bruss390]

You did her so dirty in the thumbnail 😂

[@JdkdkGhghjg]

Illymation did herself dirty

[@Killpop-ls4vb]

Always disliked illy. Even when I watched story time animations religiously her videos always rubbed me the wrong way

[@whateverwhatever4026]

Same. I mean I never watched her religiously, but when i did watch her, it always bothered me when shed insert her highly questionable opinions as facts.

[@Killpop-ls4vb]

@@whateverwhatever4026 bro she rlly do be the mr. enter of the story time animation community. I’m just surprised she didn’t have a major drama sooner

[@whateverwhatever4026]

@@Killpop-ls4vb True. It's crazy it hasn't happened already. I would have expected it back years ago when she said walking behind her was literally grape....

[@Killpop-ls4vb]

@@whateverwhatever4026 yooo I remember that video. that was the one that made me dislike her

[@whateverwhatever4026]

@@Killpop-ls4vb Me too. That's wild. How you going to tell the little kids watching you that walking behind you is SA AND they should never tell anyone about SA because they'll never be believed anyway....She's a joke.

[@YourRoyalPieness]

Tom the type of guy to be outspoken about obesity and then "accidentally" show his BBW folder during a stream

[@ssgtshep5794]

Think before you sleep is brutally honest. I've struggled with lots of health problems which have affected me physically and i have up and gained loads of weight. I think back to the days of sleeping in and not wanting to get up to now where i need to get up and workout. You don't realise how precious life is until your own body starts to fail you