Proto-Celtic vs Proto-Italic language (Italo-Celtic?)

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@edwardsaulnier892
@edwardsaulnier892 3 жыл бұрын
What we observe here is the translation of each of these lexical items, but we don't see the the cognate. For example 'blood' in Proto Celtic is 'krowos' and In Proto Italic it is 'sanguis'. However as in Latin, the cognate to the Proto Celtic for 'krowos' would be 'cruor' in Latin, meaning raw or bloody flesh. The Proto Celtic for 'hand' 'flamos' translates as 'manos' in Proto Italic. However as in Latin, the cognate to the Proto Celtic would be 'palma' = he palm of the hand.
@Аргумешка
@Аргумешка 4 жыл бұрын
What about comparing each proto-language from the Indo-European family?
@matthewmccallion3311
@matthewmccallion3311 4 жыл бұрын
I speak Irish, and I was amazed at how many of the Proto-Celtic words I recognised
@chrisg.k487
@chrisg.k487 3 жыл бұрын
Well i am Greek and it's amazing how many common words have ancient Greeks and Celtics ...
@beefcakepantiehoes
@beefcakepantiehoes 4 жыл бұрын
They’re not extremely similar but I think they definitely may have split from a common population or even just had influence on each other due to close vicinity
@SxVaNm345
@SxVaNm345 4 жыл бұрын
Yup, that’s pretty much what happened. Italo-Celtic is basically a dialect of Proto-Indo-European that split off in the same region (Ukrainian steppe to Central Europe). These are roughly the areas where each PIE dialect/language family split off... (besides Italo-Celtic) Pre-Proto-Germanic (Poland to Germany) Balto-Slavic (Russia to Belarus & Lithuania) Indo-Aryan (Kazakhstan to Afghanistan) Tocharian (extinct, developed in Western China, some of its phonological features & grammatical structure can still be seen in the Uighur language of Xingjiang) Armenian (the Caucasus) Hellenic/Greek (the Balkans) Anatolian (extinct, the Caucasus to Turkey) Illyrian (possibly extinct, the Balkans) Albanian (the Balkans) Daco-Thracian (Ukrainian steppe to Romania) Phrygian (Anatolia to the Caucasus)
@obliterator3426
@obliterator3426 4 жыл бұрын
Or no language family exists because all could have simply influenced each other so much
@SquigPie
@SquigPie 4 жыл бұрын
@@obliterator3426 You don't get this degree of similarity without shared ancestry.
@captainch6182
@captainch6182 4 жыл бұрын
@@juandiegovalverde1982 yes, Proto-Germanic was original spoken in Scandinavia but before it was Proto-Germanic it was another dialect of Proto-indo-European that migrated to Scandinavia
@jakubpociecha8819
@jakubpociecha8819 4 жыл бұрын
​@@juandiegovalverde1982 That's because he's talking about Pre-Proto-Germanic,an earlier stage
@Frilouz79
@Frilouz79 4 жыл бұрын
The forms of Italic and Celtic presented here are "Q-forms" : *kwenkwe --> Latin: quinque, Irish: cùig, while "P-forms" also existed in both families : Five is "pump" in welsh, "pemp" in Breton, and "pumpe" in Oscan and Umbrian, also Italic languages (hence: Pompeius, Pompeii). The Latin equivalent of "Pompeius" is "Quintus" = the fifth (son).
@no4812
@no4812 4 жыл бұрын
There were no "P-forms" in Proto-Celtic and Proto-Italic. The "P-forms" were developed independently later on.
@connorgioiafigliu
@connorgioiafigliu 4 жыл бұрын
They're surprisingly similar!
@JC-wq6dy
@JC-wq6dy 4 жыл бұрын
They are not, maybe a couple phrases but not everything
@mats1975
@mats1975 4 жыл бұрын
@@JC-wq6dy they actually are very (extremely) similar by linguistic standards
@GaiusCaligula234
@GaiusCaligula234 4 жыл бұрын
"surprisingly", how much of an amateur are you, Jesu
@Vainaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
@Vainaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 4 жыл бұрын
@@JC-wq6dy This is not true. Grammatically and Vocab wise they are both very similar, which is because very recently before they were the same language. This comment obviously shows you know nothing about their overall vocabularies and grammars and probably just have some pre convinced knowledge about them and have made your mind up that they are not similar.
@sergeyloktev3249
@sergeyloktev3249 4 жыл бұрын
Well, everyone should have seen that coming. Ok, what about proto-slavic and proto-baltic next time? Or even proto-indo-aryan and proto-iranic.
@jorgitoislamico4224
@jorgitoislamico4224 3 жыл бұрын
@MC King Shhhh don't you see we want a comparative video?
@fearmor3855
@fearmor3855 4 жыл бұрын
As an Irish speaker I saw so many roots in the nouns and then it dropped completely at the verbs
@ministr2302
@ministr2302 4 жыл бұрын
I’m Russian but I speak some Irish and it is amazing to see so many similarities between Proto-Celtic and Slavic languages, especially in the words to give (dati) and blood (krowos)! And I’m also delighted to see that a lot of words from proto-Celts have undergone not so drastic change that we observe in the modern Irish now, especially when it comes to colours, many basic adjectives like short, dirty, big, small, good, bad; nouns like dog, earth, bone, woman, snake, seed, leaf, flower, nose and some verbs like say, sing, swim, wash, throw. I also noticed that the ф (f) sound died out in Irish and many modern Irish words basically resemble proto-Celtic words without it: Iasc - feskos - fish Athair - fatir - father Leathan - flitanos - wide Lámh - flama - hand Lán - flanos - full. Thanks a lot for this wonderful video!!!
@fearmor3855
@fearmor3855 4 жыл бұрын
Dauyeti - dóigh - to burn фlabaros - labhair - to speak Kliyos - Clé (Clí in my dialect) - Left Deswos - deis - right Maros - mór - big Tegus - tiubh - thick Gdonyos - duine - person Milom - míol - creature, louse Silom - síol - seed Krokkeno - craiceann - skin Klousta - cluas - ear Srogna - srón - nose Angwina - ionga - nail Monis - muineál - neck Kikos - cíoch - breast Ana - anáil - To breath Sna - snámh - swim Nig-yo - nigh - to wash Leg-yo - leag - To lay Udenskyos - uisce - water Kluka - cloch - stone Nemos - neamh - heavens Teфnets - tine - fire Bledni - bliain - year Ougros - fuar/uar - cold Salakos - salach - dirty Krundis - cruinn - round Onkus - fogus - near A few more
@ministr2302
@ministr2302 4 жыл бұрын
@@fearmor3855 go raibh míle maith agat, a chara! Is aoibhinn é sin!
@Proto_Type614
@Proto_Type614 4 жыл бұрын
If I may add my two cents: In Germanic languages "blood" means something that bursts out: www.etymonline.com/word/blood and en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/bl%C5%8D%C3%BE%C4%85. "Krowos" came to mean "crude" and "raw" in Proto-Germanic.
@lahagemo
@lahagemo 4 жыл бұрын
@@Proto_Type614 that explains the norwegian “kro” meaning undercooked meat
@katarinawikholm5873
@katarinawikholm5873 4 жыл бұрын
@@Proto_Type614 ”kräva” in Swedish is the gizzard of a bird, another related concept to blood, meats and innards, and ”grov” means coarse, rough.
@edwardsaulnier892
@edwardsaulnier892 3 жыл бұрын
Proto Celtic and Proto Itlalic would look closer to each other if you included the cognates and not simply the translations. Words, through time, change not only the way they are pronounced, but they can change their meanings too. We observed the Proto-Celtic word for 'bird' is 'petnos'. The Proto Italic had from the same Indo-European root. 'pet-' = to fly, the word 'pet-na or pets-na" meaning 'wing or feather' thus giving us the word in Latin 'penna' meaning 'feather'. Further semantic change can be observed where this Latin word for 'feather' took on a new meaning 'pen' as in English. After all they once used 'feathers' as 'pens' in earlier times.
@robertofranciscomonsalvesp8080
@robertofranciscomonsalvesp8080 4 жыл бұрын
This is an amazing video, Language-machine! Both branches shared lots of common words. And we can see many of them(modified of course) in our modern Romance languages. Thanks so much!
@deacudaniel1635
@deacudaniel1635 4 жыл бұрын
Actually some words never changed at all.I'm surprised how "os" and "nas" are exactly the same in Romanian.
@robertofranciscomonsalvesp8080
@robertofranciscomonsalvesp8080 4 жыл бұрын
@@deacudaniel1635 Ai dreptate, prieten roman. Thanks for the accurate observation.
@user-gz3pn4in9e
@user-gz3pn4in9e 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe Proto-Slavic vs Proto-Baltic next?
@bigbitch584
@bigbitch584 4 жыл бұрын
Isn’t Baltic a very close language group to Slavic?
@jockeberg8353
@jockeberg8353 4 жыл бұрын
@@bigbitch584 yeah i think batltic language were regarded as slavic languages in the past but the current idea insteads paint them as having a common ancestor
@Ilgas
@Ilgas 3 жыл бұрын
Proto Baltic have much common words with these two.
@janusroland
@janusroland 4 жыл бұрын
I like this. This is much nicer on the eyes than the long side-by-side lists. It lets me listen to the audio and tap into an intuitive understanding of the cognate words while having an embodied sense of the meaning as I listen. Great work! Liked, subscribed.
@adamender9092
@adamender9092 3 жыл бұрын
The Celtic and Italic languages are way too similar, there was definitely an Italo-Celtic language spoken at one time. It makes sense as well since they did inhabite the same parts of Europe
@Firestream96
@Firestream96 4 жыл бұрын
I'm from Northern Italy, we are culturally, linguistically and genetically ""celtic"", it's amazing to see how many words in our dialect are similar to Welsh, Scottish and Irish and have the same meaning. E.g.: Pair - Paröl (cauldron, pot)
@fearmor3855
@fearmor3855 4 жыл бұрын
Northern Italy is linguistically romance what
@ANTSEMUT1
@ANTSEMUT1 4 жыл бұрын
@@fearmor3855 that isn't exactly true because before the Roman imperial period, much of Northern Italy was populated by continental Celtic tribes. What I am surprised is, according to Sabrina here there is still some retention of that in their romance (Italian) based dialects.
@Firestream96
@Firestream96 4 жыл бұрын
Northern Italian dialects are gallo-italic, Celtic substrate + Latin influence (+ Germanic). Not most, but many words in our dialects (and in Italian, too) have a celtic origin, though the phonetics is what really stuck. Culeur - Coll/Cyll (hazelnut) Busc - Bwch (male goat) Arent - Ar- (before) Are examples of words in Lombard that have a Celtic origin. It's really not that surprising, the Celts were all over Central Europe, and alpine tribes (Celtic and Rhaetic) in Northern Italy were only subdued by the Romans in 14BC. I'm aware this may sound a bit nationalistic, just an archeologist here who loves talking about her country!
@voicelessglottalfricative6567
@voicelessglottalfricative6567 4 жыл бұрын
Proto-Celtic speakers: okay, let's make it so the languages in our language family don't even sound related.
@norielgames4765
@norielgames4765 7 ай бұрын
Note that in many modern day italic (romance) languages, Mi means my as opposed to meaning I in Celtic, and swi or something similar means his/hers. Examples: Spanish mi (my, me). Romanian meu (my), mine/mie (me). Spanish suyo (his/hers) Romanian sau (his/hers) Sindos, meaning this in Celtic sounds pretty similar to Spanish siendo, meaning "being" and Romanian sunt meaning I am, and Romanian suntem meaning we are. I'm pretty sure that when two words in italic and Celtic don't sound super similar it's because it's very likely they have a similar sounding word that has just shifted meanings
@werehuman2999
@werehuman2999 4 жыл бұрын
3:04 Krowos👍 In russian: krovj (кровь)
@erichamilton3373
@erichamilton3373 4 жыл бұрын
And "raw" in English (came from "hraw"--the h developed out of "k" sound.
@user-gz3pn4in9e
@user-gz3pn4in9e 4 жыл бұрын
,,krowa" in Polish
@fearmor3855
@fearmor3855 4 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately krowos isn't the root of the current Irish word, that would be fuil
@snadhghus
@snadhghus 4 жыл бұрын
@@fearmor3855 The modern Irish equivalent is _cró_ meaning 'blood' or 'gore'.
@ВольдемарШаломов
@ВольдемарШаломов 4 жыл бұрын
This is still from proto-Indo-European.
@snadhghus
@snadhghus 4 жыл бұрын
I recognise the modern Irish form of the huge majority of these words. Fascinating.
@joshuabradshaw9120
@joshuabradshaw9120 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. There are many similar words but also many completely different words. I think it would be safe to say that proto indoeurpean had a huge number of synonyms, as we can see that proto Celtic and proto Italic diverged considerably. This is something we see in modern languages as well. Think of the German words ‘Hund’ and ‘Schwein’ versus the English words ‘dog’ and ‘pig’. English also uses cognates to the German words (hound and swine) but those are used far more rarely. Instead the word dog is used for every kind of hound whereas in earlier times hound was the main word for a canine and a dog was a specific kind of hound. Also the word swine was once more commonly used for pig but today it is the opposite. Also German uses the word Baum (boom in Dutch) but English, although a West Germanic language, uses the word tree which is derived from old Norse and the descendants of old Norse such as Swedish, Norwegian and Danish use words similar to tree. It’s interesting because the Scandinavian languages have many similar words to English, German and Dutch but also many different words even when those words have a Germanic origin.
@marcasdebarun6879
@marcasdebarun6879 4 жыл бұрын
It's cool to see a surprisingly large amount of words which still mean the same thing in modern Irish. Like PC *trommos still survives as 'trom' (heavy), *blātus still means flower as 'bláth', *krokkeno- as 'craiceann' (skin), *knāmis as 'cnámh' (bone), *srognā as 'srón' (nose), *glūnos as 'glúin' (knee), *ɸlāmā as 'lámh' (hand), *snā- as 'snámh' (swim), etc. Body parts seem especially reluctant to shift semantically.
@misteryman8089
@misteryman8089 4 жыл бұрын
In the Comasco / Ticinese dialect, a variant of the Lombard, in Italy, dog is said exactly as in the video, Ko. 2.18
@SogoNotDrunk
@SogoNotDrunk 4 жыл бұрын
Romans: You don't speak my language, than you're barbarian! Celts: Dude, our languages developed from a single ancestor. Romans: Oh...
@SxVaNm345
@SxVaNm345 4 жыл бұрын
The Romans could understand the Gauls, and vice versa.
@srikrishnak196
@srikrishnak196 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine what would be the reaction of the Romans in those days when they found out(hypothetically)that their pure and polished Latin was related to the so called barbaric celtic languages!
@jasonmuniz-contreras6630
@jasonmuniz-contreras6630 4 жыл бұрын
Lusitanians: Ours too!
@alejandror.planas9802
@alejandror.planas9802 4 жыл бұрын
@@srikrishnak196 Romans didn't really consider Celts barbaric until they had to justify a war against them. Romans and Celts were well aware of their shared bloodline, the Aedui even called Romans "bloodbrothers".
@alejandror.planas9802
@alejandror.planas9802 4 жыл бұрын
@@srikrishnak196 Romans did however probably look at Celts just like modern day citizens (those who live in cities) look towards rural folk, probably as uneducated, specially because they didn't read or write, with a certain disdain, even though they were one same people.
@diegonathanielmina7361
@diegonathanielmina7361 4 жыл бұрын
Is it a coincidence, or do some of the words in the "Proto-Celtic" resemble many words in modern-day descendants of "Proto-Italic", and vice versa?
@alejandror.planas9802
@alejandror.planas9802 4 жыл бұрын
Most Gallo-Romance Languages inherit large quantities of Celtic words. Also, colloquial latin words may have resembled Celtic words further.
@nineball9746
@nineball9746 4 жыл бұрын
Possibly by conflation and similar etymology. Like evil/bad was "malos" in Proto-Italic, but confusion/destruction was "mellos" in Proto-Celtic. Those are similar, and they are etymologically related.
@sparshjohri1109
@sparshjohri1109 3 жыл бұрын
They're both immediate offshoots of PIE. It is also hypothesized that they may have split off from a more recent Italo-Celtic branch of the Indo-European family as well.
@jebersonrodrigues2903
@jebersonrodrigues2903 4 жыл бұрын
sério? por isso que sabendo português é fácil entender a maior parte das pronúncias do Galês e latim. Muito interessante.
@zorronegro229
@zorronegro229 4 жыл бұрын
You are an underrated channel you need more subscribers and do more ancient languages
@celovekbudusego1448
@celovekbudusego1448 2 жыл бұрын
Some celtic words is related with slavic. Like krowos (blood) - krov (russian), woltos (hair) - volos (rus), snigyo (snow) - sneg (rus). Although slavic language are still more connections with Italic.
@adamvieira656
@adamvieira656 4 жыл бұрын
As a portuguese speaker i can understand most off these words even after all this time
@kevinbwtauer4190
@kevinbwtauer4190 4 жыл бұрын
Incredible video! It is interesting how much the Portuguese maintained some similarities of proto-italics, some of these words are istos - isso (that) kwis, kwoi - quem (who) kwamdo - quando (where) moltos - muitos (many) partim - partes (some) paukos - poucos (few) dlongo - longo (long) breywis - breve (short) tenwis - tênue (thin) fëmana - feminina (feminine) mater - mãe (mother) pater - pai (father) anamalis - animal (animal) piskis - peixe (fish) awis - ave (bird) ko - cão (dog) folyom - folha (leaf) flos - flor (flower) sangwen - sangue (blood) os - osso (bone) owon - ovo (egg) kauda - cauda (tail) manus - mão (hand) pektos - peitos (breats among others in the video
@paolorossi9180
@paolorossi9180 4 жыл бұрын
And video?
@masterjunky863
@masterjunky863 3 жыл бұрын
As a northern Italian I speak a Gallo-Romance language (Lombard), so I love these two families.
@Tranxhead
@Tranxhead 4 жыл бұрын
Tha Gàidhlig agam and I am seeing the links between the words. Remros > reamhar, trummos > trom, bikkos > beag, gdonyos > duine, kū > cù, sīlom > sìol, knāmis > cnàmh, woltos > falt, kloustā > cluas, srognā > sròn, koxsā > cas, glūnos > glùn, bolgos > bolg, kīkos > cìoch, salanos > salann, dergos > dearg. And so many others.
@SKITNICA95
@SKITNICA95 4 жыл бұрын
So, it is really possible that Protoceltic and Protoitalic were offspring of Celto-Italic language which was offspring of Protoindoeuropean.
@zorronegro229
@zorronegro229 4 жыл бұрын
Yup, at least to me due to the similarities in the protos
@Mongolnazi
@Mongolnazi 4 жыл бұрын
Are Germanic languages relating to that group? Or are they closer to Balto-Slavs?
@BezNazwy__
@BezNazwy__ 4 жыл бұрын
@@Mongolnazi I think Germanic is closer to Balto-Slavic
@pandolfocazzodiferro
@pandolfocazzodiferro 4 жыл бұрын
@Nomen viteliù that is this world, all of these language substrates and superstrates (mostly germanic languages) plus vulgar latin resulted in the creation of our regional languages, from furlan to siciliano, sardo to barese
@captainch6182
@captainch6182 4 жыл бұрын
@@Mongolnazi if you ask me Germanic is probably closer to Italo-Celtic. Balto-Slavic is much more conservative. Although the likely possibility is that they all split off from each other around the same time
@sunduncan1151
@sunduncan1151 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, Celtic and Italic are closely related while Balto-Slavic and Germanic are another pair called “Balto-Slavo-Germanic”
@maxienzo5893
@maxienzo5893 4 жыл бұрын
What? The germanic and slavic languages aren't similar
@alessandrosenatore5582
@alessandrosenatore5582 4 жыл бұрын
No because slavo baltim are setam and germanic centum
@richlisola1
@richlisola1 4 жыл бұрын
@@maxienzo5893 Not now, but as one goes back in time the languages become more and more akin, until the branches merge back into PIE. It stands to reason that the different language families were more alike, further in the past.
@stariyczedun
@stariyczedun 4 жыл бұрын
I've seen claims that Thracian might have been related to Balto-Slavic
@favelachan
@favelachan 4 жыл бұрын
@@stariyczedun I've seen too, they might be closer to Baltic Languages
@HYDROCARBON_XD
@HYDROCARBON_XD 2 жыл бұрын
7:41 Im spanish and “putos” got me laughing hard
@aramxut9495
@aramxut9495 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, i was waiting for it
@brettfafata3017
@brettfafata3017 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the Romans were aware that their language was related to neighboring Celtic languages. There would probably be enough similarities that some people would have noticed.
@ludovicoliviello7753
@ludovicoliviello7753 4 жыл бұрын
Don't quote me on it but I have heard that Caesar communicated with his commanders in Greek, as they noticed that at the start of the campaign the Celts could understand their orders shouted in Latin and counter them, also since Greek split off from the other Indo-European languages fairly early it wasn't as similar.
@HeAndrRoiz
@HeAndrRoiz 4 жыл бұрын
It is speculated that one of the reasons why most of modern western Europe speaks languages derived from Latin is because the transition from Celtic to Latin was quite simple when compared to other parts of the Roman Empire where other languages were spoken.
@ricardomafiosobelmontcassi734
@ricardomafiosobelmontcassi734 4 жыл бұрын
@@HeAndrRoiz It's correct
@lyssilvertongue
@lyssilvertongue 4 жыл бұрын
@@HeAndrRoiz What about romanians? What about Sicilia? Sicilia was manly greek. I don't even mention african latin wich became extinct.
@danieledamico9729
@danieledamico9729 3 жыл бұрын
@@lyssilvertongue first ancient sicilian population were Sicels that came from the area of Latium. theire language was very close to latin (some study say that they were the same population because sicels were in Rome Area much more time before latins)...after went greeks but Sicily always manteined its language indipendence (expecially in the center of the island).
@mysteriumvitae5338
@mysteriumvitae5338 3 жыл бұрын
The "ego" is striking. Such an essential word as "I" was indeed identical in Proto-Italic, Latin and Ancient Greek (and still is the same word in Modern Greek). Sure, both Latin and Ancient Greek were pro-drop languages, but the "I" is still too essential to have been borrowed at any point. Because, literally, every child needs it pretty soon and needed it before any first cultural contacts between Greeks and Romans, too. This shows just how much nearer to their common Indo-European ancestors Greek and Latin were just slightly more than 2000 years ago.
@gnom3938
@gnom3938 4 жыл бұрын
To be honest, I couldn't even tell the difference in the beginning
@TheOlgaSasha
@TheOlgaSasha 2 жыл бұрын
Krovos (blood) in Celtic is similar like in Slavic languages (krov). As well as Woltos (hair) in Celtic is like "volos" (hair) in Slavic.
@srikrishnak196
@srikrishnak196 4 жыл бұрын
I can see similarities of proto italic and proto celtic to Sanskrit too.
@TigerWoodsLibido
@TigerWoodsLibido 3 жыл бұрын
Zero doubt they were the same culture in Central Europe in like 2500 BC. Massive amount of Yamnaya-Kurgans moved into that area.
@JosePineda-cy6om
@JosePineda-cy6om 4 жыл бұрын
There's also a Latin verb "edere" for "to eat" that's obviously more related to the Celtic cognate than "manducare", which actually means something closer to "to masticate". As for "and", Latin could do it with either "et" between words, or using "-que" as a suffix added to the first word - hence famous SPQR: Senatus Populus-Que Romae(the senate and the people of Rome). Those were the 2 most glaring mistakes I saw, had to dislike due to lack of proper research
@imrukiitoaoffire1908
@imrukiitoaoffire1908 4 жыл бұрын
Yes! Another quite wanted comparison, given I am moreover a supporter of the notion of these two proto-languages being related.
@northernskow3443
@northernskow3443 4 жыл бұрын
They are related. Both come from Proto-Indo European.
@imrukiitoaoffire1908
@imrukiitoaoffire1908 4 жыл бұрын
Aðelewulf I know, but more specifically that I have direct familial history with both Celtic via Pictish and Irish, and Italic via Sicilian, so comparing and having a speakable proto language, albeit hypothetical, that would be great.
@joshuabradshaw9120
@joshuabradshaw9120 4 жыл бұрын
Could you do a comparison of proto Greek with proto Italic? Also a comparison of proto Indo-Iranian with proto Balto-Slavic?
@dsksd.schayan-5304
@dsksd.schayan-5304 4 жыл бұрын
I like your comperson. Would you make the same with proto iranian and proto Slavic.
@Bln-f9u
@Bln-f9u 3 жыл бұрын
Isn't Ligurian also disputivley Italo-Celtic?
@danielholowaty2648
@danielholowaty2648 4 жыл бұрын
Love the word for Celtic rain "wolkos" I believe thats how the german word for cloud "Wolke" was formed
@whityard
@whityard 3 жыл бұрын
The German is from Proto-Germanic wulkanaz, whence also English 'welkin', from Old English 'wolcen'.
@ufhb6649
@ufhb6649 4 жыл бұрын
Well...just learned that the word for bone was the same in french and proto-italic.
@caraxes_noodleboi
@caraxes_noodleboi 4 жыл бұрын
French is a descendant of Proto-Italic
@ufhb6649
@ufhb6649 4 жыл бұрын
@@caraxes_noodleboi I know, just surprised the word has remained unchanged for more than 2 000 years
@adamender9092
@adamender9092 3 жыл бұрын
The Celtic languages are the most conservative Indo-European languages in Europe because of there isolation from the rest of the continent. The word Sí in Italic languages evolved to mean "yes" and eventually the rest of the continent followed but in Ireland and Britain, the meaning stayed the same and the spelling and pronunciation is the only thing that changed
@mikkethemightey3722
@mikkethemightey3722 4 жыл бұрын
Lovely! One thing that sometimes bugs me tho: would it be possible to cite whose reconstruction is used? With indo-european languages this perhaps isn't particularly significant, but other proto-languages may be more controversial.
@ANTSEMUT1
@ANTSEMUT1 4 жыл бұрын
Same that kind of information would be much appreciated.
@flavio-viana-gomide
@flavio-viana-gomide 4 жыл бұрын
I understood some words which look like Portuguese. Many words still live in Portuguese from proto italic. Incredible.
@mats1975
@mats1975 4 жыл бұрын
Yep, any romance language speaker will see the same similarities.....
@lwmaynard5180
@lwmaynard5180 Жыл бұрын
Robert scrutton book , THE OTHER ATLANTIS ? Stated that 2 tribes of Cymri Celts migrated to the island of the white cliffs about 500 BC ?
@ВольдемарШаломов
@ВольдемарШаломов 4 жыл бұрын
Proto-Celtic 70% Proto-Italian 30% close to Slavic. IMHO
@iranshahr2710
@iranshahr2710 4 жыл бұрын
Please make a film in Sumerian language as well.
@johann296
@johann296 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, I appreciate you man. Thank you🙏🙏
@FirstLast-hz8ut
@FirstLast-hz8ut 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, please make Proto-Indo-Aryan. Or Proto-Indo-Iranian. Thanks
@ocorvo1724
@ocorvo1724 4 жыл бұрын
"Where" in Galician-Portuguese was "u" which could be an abbreviation for "ut" which was another for "kut" ... "Kwuts".
@dj_iago
@dj_iago 3 жыл бұрын
O português e o espanhol se para em mais com o proto itálico, mas o estanhol tem algumas semelhanças com o proto celta. The portuguese end spanish seem whith proto itálico, but the spanish have more seem whith the proto Celtic.
@Knappa22
@Knappa22 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating how with proto Celtic, if you remove the suffixes, soften the consonants, you get the modern Welsh word. Works nearly every time e.g litanos = llydan, ruskos = rhisg(l)
@spunkhildur
@spunkhildur 4 жыл бұрын
I love you =) You have solved a great problem for me. Now I know what I need to know about the Kelts and the history of the Brits.
@gatopsaro4262
@gatopsaro4262 3 жыл бұрын
Many of the words were similar to homeric age greek . I think that based on this example , both are equally distant from it
@heraclito3114
@heraclito3114 4 жыл бұрын
It would be awesome if we could build a time machine and understand people using a reconstructed language
@ottolehikoinen6193
@ottolehikoinen6193 4 жыл бұрын
A few of words vaguely similar to baltic finnic languages in proto-celtic, could be coincidental, but maybe not
@marcelloghigo5980
@marcelloghigo5980 4 жыл бұрын
Speaking of Celtic and Italic languages, what happened to the Piedmontese video? It was cool!
@johnotm
@johnotm 4 жыл бұрын
after a few hundred years on different sides of the alps
@lodovicoconrado3297
@lodovicoconrado3297 3 жыл бұрын
Some words are almost identical in modern Italian
@dolgy3762
@dolgy3762 2 жыл бұрын
very interesting how a lot of these proto celtic words ended up in a lot of "romance languages". Only natural.
@fragranceofsound
@fragranceofsound 3 жыл бұрын
italic more of a basis for the words we use now
@didonegiuliano3547
@didonegiuliano3547 4 жыл бұрын
No more brothers wars
@iltoni6895
@iltoni6895 4 жыл бұрын
@Idiot Channel no
@lwmaynard5180
@lwmaynard5180 Жыл бұрын
From Italy . Umbria from Briton Cumbria ?
@richardm893
@richardm893 3 жыл бұрын
The Hebrew word for "knife" - "sica" relating to the word sicarii, it is where we get the words scythe and sickel (what Abraham was to use on Isaac). This I believe is where the root of sic or saac comes from. In Celtic the word for knife was commonly known as a scian, as many Celtic words have a silent "th" this I believe is the same word as "scyth" or Scythian". Of course this is just the tip of the ice or Isaac-berg (the original sickel looked exactly like an icicle).
@richardm893
@richardm893 3 жыл бұрын
To cut in Latin also related to this as "sicario" in other Latin languages the word for hitman (with a knife) or assassin derives.
@umashi4437
@umashi4437 4 жыл бұрын
Can you do the same video with Proto-Turkic and Proto-Mongolic please, it would be very interesting!
@internetexplorerchan2697
@internetexplorerchan2697 4 жыл бұрын
Cool vid, could you make Proto Baltic and Proto Indo-Iranian comparison?
@internetexplorerchan2697
@internetexplorerchan2697 4 жыл бұрын
@God Bless The Internet No, Proto Balitc and Proto Indo-Iranian, Aryan and Iranian are just the same family and I want to compare it to baltic language (lithuanian and latvian)..
@no4812
@no4812 4 жыл бұрын
@@internetexplorerchan2697 Proto-Baltic and Proto-Slavic come from Proto-Balto-Slavic. It would be more appropriate to compare Proto-Balto-Slavic to Proto-Indo-Iranian since they are both top level divisions.
@HomeCookingJourney
@HomeCookingJourney 4 жыл бұрын
I love your language videos ~
@aleksandarnikolic2743
@aleksandarnikolic2743 8 ай бұрын
😃Serbian lenguage is mix proto Celtic and proto Italic,or theirs ancestor
@Samthegamer-jb2xn
@Samthegamer-jb2xn 2 жыл бұрын
I assume that the Italo-Celto-Indo-Iranian languages ​​are all a subgroup as well as the Germanic-Balto-Slavic and -Greek-Armenian languages
@helenahennes112
@helenahennes112 2 жыл бұрын
It seems they have confused „when“ and „where“ in Proto-Italic, i.e. „kwando“ instead of „kwuthei“ and vice versa. Or am I wrong?
@stephenp1131986
@stephenp1131986 3 жыл бұрын
to compare modern welsh to some of these words, not all welsh words compare but a lot do E = English, W = welsh and PC = Proto Celtic E: Dog, W: Ci, PC: Ku E: Leaf, W: Dail, PC: Dolnya E: Root, W: Gwraidd, PC: Wrida E: Bark, W: Rhisgi, PC: Ruskos E: Flower, W: Blodau, PC: Blatus E: Fish, W: Pysgod, PC: Feskos E: Skin, W: Croen, PC: Krokkeno E: Meat, W: Cig, PC: Kikos E: Bone, W: Asgwrn, PC: Astkornu E: Horn, W: Corn, PC: Kornu E: Hair, W: Gwallt, PC: Waltos E: Ear, W: Clust, PC: Klousta E: Eye, W: Llygad, PC: Lukato E: Mouth, W: Ceg, PC: Genus E: Teeth, W: Dannedd, PC: Dantom E: Leg, W: Coes, PC: Koxsa E: Wing, W: Adain, PC: Fatani E: Belly, W: Bol, PC: Bolgos E: Heart, W: Calon, PC: Kalonas E Breathe, W: Anadlu, PC: Ana E: Seeing, W: Gweld, PC: Wel-o E: Fearing, W: Ofni, PC: Obno E: Sleeping, W: Cysgu, PC: Kuf-sko E: Living, W: Byw, PC: Biwo E: Digging: W: Cloddio, PC: Kladyeti E: Singing: W: Canu, PC: Kaneti So what can be deduced is modern Welsh, and many of the Gaelic languages on the other side are still representing the original Brythonic or proto-celtic language very well.
@gigasigma8373
@gigasigma8373 3 жыл бұрын
The word for worm in proto celtic is insanely similar to the albanian word for the same thing. "Krimb, Krimbi, Krimi" Maybe due to the fact Celts actually were neighbours to paleo balkan people so some similarities rose.
@dori25t
@dori25t 3 жыл бұрын
Proto-italik where is from ?
@seankessel3867
@seankessel3867 3 жыл бұрын
Good one guys
@richlisola1
@richlisola1 3 жыл бұрын
The further back in time one goes, the more alike in sound and vocabulary these various language families are
@rozimondquartz8310
@rozimondquartz8310 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder what song it is
@arthemas8176
@arthemas8176 4 жыл бұрын
How I wish hispania kept some celtic language alive You celtic speakers take care of your beautiful language 👍😁
@jasonmuniz-contreras6630
@jasonmuniz-contreras6630 4 жыл бұрын
Why?
@nutyyyy
@nutyyyy 4 жыл бұрын
Well I think what this shows is that it was difficult to distinguish celtic and italic in the early days. This has been an issue forever in archaeology and history of ancient iberia because its hard to determine if a tribe was 'Celtiberian' or not but it seems the distinctions weren't that obvious.
@recommendexperiment
@recommendexperiment 4 жыл бұрын
1:00 kʷis, kʷoi May divided to Subject, object
@nikolayordanov3115
@nikolayordanov3115 3 жыл бұрын
Celtic: filo Dutch: veel [fayw] Seems like the celts had a influence on the south germanic languages.
@Nista357
@Nista357 4 жыл бұрын
I'm from Serbia and the similarity between these two and Serbian is amazing...
4 жыл бұрын
Yes all part of the same language family indo European :)
@sirraphael854
@sirraphael854 4 жыл бұрын
I cant find the latin video 😔
@thamielglaoui2595
@thamielglaoui2595 3 жыл бұрын
Very good 👍👍👍
@chinmaybhogilal6459
@chinmaybhogilal6459 4 жыл бұрын
Italo-Celtic family?
@thedreadtyger
@thedreadtyger 4 жыл бұрын
sounds like one great party! (at least until Celtic Twilight kicks in. sigh.)
@SxVaNm345
@SxVaNm345 4 жыл бұрын
@@mihanich What about using whiskey as sauce for your pasta? 🤔 never used beer before as a substitute, but it could work...
@stephenp1131986
@stephenp1131986 3 жыл бұрын
Proto Celtic was a nice sounding language, It would have been a pleasure to speak that rather than English or the descendants of Proto Celtic languages. Damn evolution! Borega dagos to you all!
@puraLusa
@puraLusa 4 жыл бұрын
In portuguese so close to both.
@histatimaniples
@histatimaniples 2 жыл бұрын
thought indo Europeans didn't have a unified word for sea/ocean , this shows it does
@thedreadtyger
@thedreadtyger 4 жыл бұрын
ooo! thanks!
@tymurtymur6319
@tymurtymur6319 4 жыл бұрын
Good Video)
@ashaler__
@ashaler__ 4 жыл бұрын
i too speak celto-italic
@antonaghesse-berteche1900
@antonaghesse-berteche1900 4 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy to compare with Breton words.
@Rafirafael.1
@Rafirafael.1 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting
@yanxgd
@yanxgd 2 жыл бұрын
Dents in Proto-Italic -> French Dents
@SinilkMudilaSama
@SinilkMudilaSama 2 жыл бұрын
Andy my friend its time ya do a clip comparin all proto languages and all old languages with proto indo european, and compare proto indo european with proto persian and proto sanskrit my partner. It's time to we all see the whole map of theses fundamental languages to undersntand our hodierns idioms today. 🍻🍻🍻🧁🧁🧁🥂🥂🥂🍷🍷☺☺☺☺🤗🤗🤗🤗🏆🏆🏆 hugs bro.
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