Imagining an exclusive-less Xbox future (feat Parris Lilly and Greg Miller) | Friends Per Second #38

[@SkillUp]

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[@mwdavis77]

Love the FPS podcast but the gaslighting about the series launch is incredible. The launch was horrible, no launch exclusives except a couple mediocre indie titles. Xbox one and 360 had new great games at launch. Along those lines, the average consumer does not care about Phil’s public persona. It’s about must buy games. That is evident in what Nintendo and Sony do, they don’t care about having a person like Phil and they are killing it.

[@robertlawrence9000]

Jake. What are you saying? 1:12:30 Kill The Justice League is a horrible game premise.

[@seanguinn]

Bring that Parris dude back. I like him. lm curious of his thoughts on other issues.

[@robertlawrence9000]

@@seanguinn the Bot? 😆

[@maineman5757]

When is Jirard coming back?

[@ti_sathiya]

Ahh, Gifs not Gifts. Gotcha. Was confused for a solid 10 seconds there

[@fizzplease6742]

Well lol thank you, I had to read your comment to realize it wasn't "gifts"

[@Oniri]

Yeah I was like "what do we about birthdays and holidays then?!"

[@BloodyBobJr]

I also thought they said gifts for a while..I was like is Christmas and birthdays are cringe. Till I realized how dumb I was

[@Kaunte]

Same

[@m.o.x.d]

OH MAN LMAO I didnt get that until I saw this comment

[@zagazsanology]

I love the guests but it’s so nice having a format where we come back to you three for a small recap / break in-between segments. This podcast is so good.

[@MightyOProductions]

Greg's comparison of live service games to a desert mirage is so spot on. 1:21:54

[@bjwal6]

Yeah this really hit me as the perfectly simple metaphor

[@Bitter765]

Timestamp?

[@MightyOProductions]

@@Bitter765 I got you. Edited my comment.

[@Bitter765]

@@MightyOProductions thank you

[@mrhipshot]

I just wanted to comment and say that THIS is how you have a conversation about what's going on with Xbox at the moment. You brought on a reasonable voice in the Xbox community who isn't calling for pitchforks, who is knowledgeable about the ecosystem and he's bringing up valid concerns that a lot of normal Xbox players are having right now in this weird little time capsule while we wait for the big news next week. Parris is great as always. I also appreciated how you all seemed to empathize with what a normal Xbox player might be feeling. You didn't dismiss what everyone is feeling at the moment. You took a second to put yourself in the shoes of someone who only has an Xbox and didn't say "Why would anyone be upset at more people being able to play games?" This isn't about that. I have all 3 consoles and a PC but I prefer Xbox/PC and there are worries for the future. The unhealthy obsession of some fanboys online has poisoned a lot of the conversation going on. We can all say their behavior is dogshit and needs to be condemned. They need to grow up. They're hurting adult conversations about this stuff. Corporations don't owe us anything. Microsoft will most likely be the 1st to put their games on the other consoles and most people will admit that. Next week will sure be interesting either way! Great podcast. I'm gonna keep listening

[@vassili3000]

Very well said. As someone who used to play primarily on Xbox since Xbox One and recently moved to playing primarily on PS5, I can clearly see why many of Xbox owners would feel uncertain or even worried. I may be extremely happy playing my games on PS5 now and in the future, but I don't want my Xbox digital library become the sole reason I turn on my Xbox console. MS will do what is best for them as a corporation, but I am hoping Phil has not lost all his influence there yet and can still offer a solution with Xbox gamers in mind.

[@lynchmobb119]

What the fuck is the Xbox community you just bought the same piece of plastic. I don’t have a “community” for my favorite brand of microwave

[@kylelopez7631]

​@vassili3000 I started with xbox and if they ported all their exclusives to playstation I'd sell my Xbox. I love the controller and layout of Xbox but man there wouldn't be any other reason to stay.

[@vassili3000]

@@kylelopez7631 Well, backwards compatibility with Xbox 360 is still amazing and there are tons of gems from that generation. But I agree with you, if I see the next Gears or Halo on PS5, that will change the way I look at my Series X.

[@mordan4]

My favorite part of the show is hearing jake getting confused by british/Australian slang, then rewinding it to find the exact moment his face shows his confusion.

[@rafaelacuna1543]

Honestly tho it's hilarious

[@ordinarryalien]

Hehe, nice catch. :)

[@jeremylamb12]

Timestamp?

[@TheElderMartin]

@@jeremylamb12 53:44. Start here.

[@derekclark5875]

My head cannon has been destroyed! I always imagined Ralph sitting in a basement with no windows like a proper neckbeard. But apparently he has a door that people knock on? I'm in shambles.

[@SariusxX]

It was his child and an indoors knock, so you can hold onto your fantasy for a bit longer! :D

[@Sasha-lf8bu]

To further destroy your head cannon...we don't really have basements in Australia 😂 also you can see the window in his shot lol

[@eldengarrett9153]

Basements would be really cool here though. Crazy weird fact, I've heard people don't really own Kettles in the USA.

[@withoutthejuice7193]

I know there are a lot of gaming podcasts but this one truly is my favorite. Idk if it’s just because it’s only every other week, but every episode drop feels so exciting.

[@pdpMASTERP]

3 hosts feels a lot better than 4. Ngl. Less chaos more cozy focus less talking over each other more finished sentences

[@Ashtarte3D]

Not like the fourth contributed a ton but petty complaints that they didn't get review code or something. Watch old episodes and you'll notice they weren't super involved anyway.

[@nailinthefashion]

​​@@Ashtarte3Dsuper glad someone else said the thing this time since people treated me like a villain for wanting more diverse CEOs a couple videos back lmao

[@AbsoluteShdw]

TBH, Jerard rarely said anything anyway. Most of his words were pushing his events or talking about charity; none of which has aged well. He was always the odd man out on the podcast IMO

[@sbeeezz]

Yep so much better. Jirrad was too loud and irritating

[@acecel]

I think austin could fit well into the group

[@daringintrovert]

40:30 thank you Ralph for saying what I've been screaming into the abyss since that Kinda Funny interview. This industry lives and dies by the GAMES, regardless of how you obtain them, how you pay for them, and how many teraflops you use when you're playing them. It's incredibly frustrating to hear Phil saying that great games won't change their situation, because great games changed Sega with the Dreamcast, they changed Nintendo's situation with the Switch, they changed Sony with PS4, and they defined the Xbox for two generations. If you can be the "third place" that buys Activision for 70 billion, you can also be the "third place" that invests like crazy in ideas from all the studios you now have, and use those games as an entry point to your platform.

[@godminnette2]

I don't know if games changed Nintendo's situation with the Switch. The Switch was sold out everywhere with only one great game for months after launch, and it was a game available for their previous console. Many of the best selling switch games are literally ports of Wii U games, including the best selling Switch game. Interesting hardware and great marketing saved the Switch, alongside a single killer release title. I know many people who got a switch not for the exclusives, but for the portable component for playing games they could play elsewhere; a niche now better served by handheld PCs, sure, but a niche held solely by Nintendo for a while.

[@EddieGDXB]

Exactly. People also forget to compare this to the different streaming services. A lot of people actually pay for more than one like Netflix, Amazon or Disney....so why not just have one? And I attribute that to, not just cause they are cheaper than gaming, but because of their exclusive content

[@daringintrovert]

@@godminnette2 The portable factor and strong third party support was crucial, I agree. But after Breath of the Wild, they had new Mario games. Smash Ultimate and Mario Kart held them for several years. They revived Kirby, and Metroid with Metroid Dread. Metroid Prime 4 is probably a next-gen game at this point, but at least we know that it exists. Nintendo and Playstation are usually good reporting what titles we can expect from them in the upcoming years. I feel that Xbox failed on this during the Xbox One generation, and have just started doing it this gen. I'm personally interested in Hellblade, Indiana Jones, and Avowed.

[@godminnette2]

@@daringintrovert Mario Kart was literally a port with the DLC included, Smash 4 was nearly as good of a game as Ultimate (and some would argue was a better game from a competitive standpoint, but that doesn't drive sales), Kirby Star Allies was a poor entry, and Dread wasn't released until long after the Switch was an incredibly success, so it's not relevant here. The Switch was a success even when it was just a Breath of the Wild machine with some third party titles; nothing exclusive.

[@daringintrovert]

From what I heard, Kirby and Dread were well received by critics and players alike. My overall point is that platform holders shouldn't ignore making games internally, and selling them on their own hardware, much less claim that it won't change the public perception of their platform. During the Xbox One generation, both Nintendo and Sony did this quite successfully, at least in terms of attracting old and new audiences: if I wanted the new Mario, Zelda, or another Nintendo franchise. I knew what to buy. Same with Uncharted, God of War, Horizon. For Xbox, it was two mediocre Halo games, and Crackdown 3. I hope Indiana Jones and Avowed might start putting Xbox on a similar track to Playstation and Nintendo

[@danillospindola696]

they are recording this on a chewsday

[@OdinArrow28]

Very underrated comment^^

[@kunimitsune177]

*Tuesday, you bloody troglodyte. As opposed to 'toosday'.

[@veryontron4279]

I think Xbox dropping out of the console market would be a huge L for us as consumers as that means less competitive pricing for hardware.

[@goofychopstix]

Facts, can’t wait for the PlayStation $600

[@medicatedgoblins6352]

“Less competitive pricing for hardware” dosent sound like a bad thing knowing how fucked it all is right now anyways

[@jacksonjabba]

Sony kinda already has a monopoly. Xbox is not really a competitor, by their own admission.

[@yt_hatesfreespeech]

lol failed Econ 101 did we? the market simply shifts if Xbox quits, more manufacturers sell components for PC so Nvidia and AMD wont be able to price gouge, that is presuming the dumbass modern consumer controls the market instead of becoming enslaved to corporate greed. if you are stupid enough to pay 10$ for a bag of grapes then they will charge you 10$ for it, im looking at Gen Z..................

[@silvershroud6263]

​@@jacksonjabba you say that but Sony still keeps price under 500$. They boosted their services coz of gamepass. You will see less games, higher prices across the board by Sony if Xbox cease to exist in market. Third party will carry them easy. Burger King is not major threat to McDonald's but still McDonald's treat them as competitor.

[@silverkille]

16:00 Cheeky sneaky reminder that Ralph is a dad and a mini Ralph exists! haha

[@burnt-croissants]

i had no idea! wow that’s really cute haha

[@silverkille]

@@burnt-croissants he tweeted something a few years back when the kid was born but that was it :’)

[@njsteere]

He’s definitely more private than most, good thing if you ask me. But yeah super cute

[@EonHSD]

59:02 worry not Ralph, that joke and cheeky grin did not go unnoticed lol

[@hanzolo7719]

Haha I didn’t catch that

[@hikaruyoroi]

Stu has been doing a really good job with the podcast edits. The extra effort that's been going to the video over the past few months hasn't gone unnoticed.

[@godminnette2]

I thought the gang was talking about gifts in the opening section, until Lucie brought up soundboards. Like, first I thought they were discussing normal gifts, then gifts in the context of like... Gifting Nitro or some such? Then realized, lmao.

[@Dante9345]

Same bruh

[@JamFlexx]

my love language is gift giving. Had me reconsidering life for a second lmfao

[@NoizeTank]

This confusion could have been avoided if they had pronounced GIF correctly 😋

[@andrewibarra3101]

​@@NoizeTankaah yes, "Jraphics"

[@NoizeTank]

@@andrewibarra3101 ahh yes, “SCUB-buh” diving, not “SCOO-buh” diving 😂

[@josegarcia7599]

Not trying to stir up controversy, but I think the show is better without Gerard. You 3 just seem so genuine and your energy is happy and infectious. Keep up the great work!

[@sultanmanthari7658]

I think the performance of exclusive games like redfall and starfeild made Xbox change strategy.

[@michaellitten4538]

Especially Starfield…

[@rangersnut]

Redfall got dumped out and no real support to fix it properly. Very poor.

[@bruceyawen6160]

​@@michaellitten4538 Starfield was the nail in the coffin for me - i jumped ship to steam right after seeing the debacle unfold

[@alanheavey]

Forza was pretty meh🤷 too unfortunately 😓

[@CaptainNamikaze]

I think they've been planning that for years, especially with them getting game pass to other platforms but PC and Xbox. I can see Xbox trying to make a deal to have game pass on Nintendo and Sony hardware one day, since it's already on the smart tvs and phones. Microsoft has always been a software company first, in fact, 85% of their revenue comes from software. I don't think they will stop releasing Xboxes but I don't think hardware is their focus, if it ever was.

[@notkjjk]

Greg was awesome with this crew. He's much better when he's not the smartest in the room, if that makes sense. He laps everyone on Kinda Funny

[@Tronjheimr]

Yes, I totally agree. I think he pulls back a bit out of respect, but it made me enjoy his presence in this podcast more than his usual.

[@emperman]

For a sec i thought you were saying gifts 🎁 are cringe lol

[@KahranRamsus]

I think a big point is that Sony is already doing this to a degree, by adding their titles to PC. The only Sony exclusive title still on PS5 from launch is Ghost of Tsushima, and that's definitely coming down the line at this point. As PC is basically synonymous with Xbox at this point, the only natural expansion is PS5 or Switch. Where else do they branch out to expand their brand with Sony even sharing their brand to PC.

[@wilbo_baggins]

Wasn't the ratchet and clank game still ps5 only? Also you got gt7 which is on ps4 also but I don't think that's coming to pc.

[@eldengarrett9153]

Demons Souls?

[@GalahadTheSeeker]

This whole discussion just serves to remind me that I still desperately want a PC port for Bloodborne.

[@woshhhhhh8174]

Sony is publishing TLOU2 remastered, Rise of Ronin, Hell divers 2 and Stellar Blade. For third party exclusives it’s FF7 and Pacific Drive. Nothing too massive but a lot of variety and a lot of games. All these games are coming just in the first quarter, when you step back and look at it, it’s quite a good time to have a PS5

[@DV-ou1yu]

Dont say that too loud or someone will scream, "where are the first party titles?" Lol

[@joebond545]

Hell Divers 2 is freaking awesome too. PlayStation really cares about the quality of their exclusives it's obvious. What was the last truly good co op experience? That prison game? The division? We've had so few so thankfod for helldivers 2

[@MrJekyll17]

Not only that, you can only play FF7:Rebirth, Rise of the Ronin and Stellar Blade on PS5. If you are interested in one those games then you need to get a PS5.

[@TheGummie55]

Relink and while not exclusive I’m playing persona 4 remake.. like my backlog is huge.

[@crabbypatty10fefrefe]

The damage was done by Don Mattrick and they never recovered.

[@randompseudonym4519]

He must have been a Sony plant. No-one could have done a better job of destroying the Xbox brand! 😂

[@saesang352]

@@randompseudonym4519 Phil and the game doing a pretty good job right now 😂

[@samgoff5289]

​@saesang35isnt it hilarious phil does not get the hate of other ceo and yet he has failed miserably for so long and said really stupid shit like games don't matter

[@Draliseth]

​@@samgoff5289 They don't. If they did, I'd have bought a Sony console after the PS2.

[@alexk9295]

If Phil says things like 'even if we made the most amazing games we will not catch Sony' then he might be just as big of a problem...

[@zonerunner9614]

This show is way better now with just the three of you. 👍

[@reiddutchess9955]

I can’t even listen to the older episodes anymore when I am searching for something they reported on because I disliked Jirard then and now I can’t stand the dude

[@DV-ou1yu]

​@@reiddutchess9955I also wasn't a fan of his EVER lol

[@reiddutchess9955]

@@DV-ou1yu agreed

[@ShadowMelt]

I do like a guest to appear sometimes

[@cami5173]

Same here, now they can actually chat about things without jirard randomly going “my dead mom…”

[@itzzaamia]

Fall of Civilizations is an incredible podcast, maybe some of my favorite documentaries period

[@Noobatheart]

Yo, point of order. All the interviews showcased in the episode are fire. Multiple perspectives and it feels like everyone was weighing in at a even level between each of the hosts and the guests

[@michaelscott6880]

No Blockbuster first party games released with the console, killed them.

[@dusermiginte4647]

😂😂

[@thegameplayer125]

to be honest we really shouldn't be finding this surprising considering they've been making it clear for quite a few years that they've wanted to take the xbox game pass route and wanted that to be the future of microsoft's and xbox's gaming brand rather than the consoles themselves. while i admit that we've gotten to this point faster than i expected (if it's true and not rumors), we shouldn't find it surprising

[@CaptainNamikaze]

Exactly true and MS has always been a software company that also makes hardware and not vice versa, so I am not even a little surprised.

[@alexk9295]

So how much of all Gamepass users are on the console though? If they stop making boxes they will lose so many users

[@marwynthemasterful6369]

“I think retail still matters” When the shopper walks through the store, and doesn’t see Xbox physical games, but does see PS and Switch physical games, which one you think uninformed mommy and daddy are going to buy?

[@dusermiginte4647]

Everyone is going digital though..

[@ChromeKong]

This myth exists since the 80s. I don’t buy that „uninformed mommies or grannies“ are really a big sales factor all things considered 😆

[@ninochaosdrache3189]

@@dusermiginte4647 No, not everyone. There are more than enough fans of physical media

[@dusermiginte4647]

@@ninochaosdrache3189 Well, obviously the market points that way so....

[@tatlergaming6770]

As a PC owner, i haven't felt the need to purchase a Microsoft console since the Xbox360, and even then it was only for Halo, Gears and Fable XD.

[@marwynthemasterful6369]

I haven’t felt the need to buy a Xbox game since Cuphead (is that theirs?)

[@treebush]

@@marwynthemasterful6369cup head was timed exclusive but it was also on pc

[@Yuri-xx2gi]

Fr, at best you get early access, but I'd rather just upgrade my pc@Joe-no7gs

[@tatlergaming6770]

@Joe-no7gs For Playstation and Nintendo exclusives. You understand my point, but your comment was kinda weird.

[@19lazyboy91]

As a PC owner myself i see no point getting any of the consoles besides maybe Switch because of their exclusives. I mean Xbox adds their first party games at launch on both PC and Xbox, Playstation seems to be opening up to get more of their games to PC too, sure it may take a year or so after the PS5 release but still.

[@bbrescia8697]

This whole thing is bizarre. Only cause MS spent like a year and a half battling anti trust claims with the acquisition of Blizzard etc. So if you were going to adopt multiplatform .. why not say it earlier in court to avoid all the mess they had to deal with

[@leandrowngo]

I think that final decision is the result of the lawsuit. The powers that be could see they could make more money selling games to more people instead of focusing on selling hardware, if that's the case. And yea I agree they couldn't just drop all hardware in the short term future.

[@vassili3000]

Pretty sure this news is fresh and must be coming from top of MS (e.g. shareholders). Could be that they told Phil that they cannot wait for 5-10 years for this deal to start bringing returns and needed some short-term results. Offering existing games on other platforms could be just that.

[@samic]

You didn't pay much attention to the ABK court news. MS has been saying numerous of times that ABK acquisition that it's NOT about exclusive. It's about content and especially the mobile. Pretty much everybody in the industry has no problem with the acquisition except Sony. Nintendo will keep doing their own thing, Nvidia and others will keep doing the streaming platform. It was Sony worry about their own online/live service future and caused this mess.

[@vassili3000]

@@samic IIRC they were downplaying the whole thing to make the legislators approve the whole thing, but I am sure exclusivity was always part of their long-term plan. Maybe not anymore.

[@TheMaxcano]

I 1000% love when people reply to me in gif form

[@gruntingskunk2237]

I’m fat

[@gasaiyuno6021]

Skill up, I just wanted you to know I absolutely love your voice.

[@grahamgilmore42]

I appreciate you guys so much for taking the time to answer my question. I 100% agree with Jake with his comment about the shift in gears some games take. FPS is my favourite podcast and you just made my day.

[@TMV420]

great question!

[@luciusliu9417]

I'm so happy you guys mentioned Indika! I'm stoked to play it when it releases and there's not been much hype around it. It's such a brand of weirdness we don't get enough of in the horror-esque genre.

[@alvinl0622]

Skillup dude good job on the interview with Parry. Love how you keep pressuring him and asking the hard questions.

[@MichaelOdendaal]

Ah yes my favourite podcast, the old friends per second podcast

[@dox_plays]

1:30:25 - People underestimate the value of a good backlog - I've literally been just playing through old games and actually started writing/talking about and found it's helped me get through games because I sometimes can really bounce off them

[@Axeloy]

"Allow myself to introduce myself" had me dying lmaooo

[@mahic98]

I've been in a coma for 4 months, can't wait to see my favourite four podcast.

[@bozzwick]

Sure it’s not Alzheimer’s and you just forgot? If there’s a charity I can donate to to help!…

[@spectre-8]

I didn’t realise Jake blow dries his hair normally, I thought he was just naturally windswept and glorious!

[@MattEffectGames]

Love you really lean into the aspect of FRIENDS per seconds. It’s like Batman brave and the bold where you come for Batman but get cool guests on every week. Come for the trio but always love a new guest! (Weird analogy I know )

[@sweetchilliheat4559]

I had a dream a couple years ago that all exclusives were multiplatform and no longer exclusives it’s crazzy how Xbox is giving into that dream

[@richman1661]

Is this the Greg miller from ign back in the day???

[@cargorunner9960]

I think SkllUp is 100% right & Phil Spencer was totally wrong when he said a great game would not "move the needle". The xbox brand found it's initial success from one must play game, Halo. There are many, many people with great xbox memories, if great exclusives appeared on the platform many people that have been forced to switch to Playstation would buy an xbox as a 2nd console. I sold my series X after playting the OK Halo Infinite campaign as there was just no system selling games on the platform at all. And even now 3 years later we only have Forza Horizon 5 as the closest thing to a universally loved system selling game. Xbox are 3rd place totally because their games are 3rd place and well below the standard of other platforms.

[@Samouraii]

Been replaying the MGS series recently and had more fun with games than i've had in a very long time.

[@aaronhendrix7347]

2:25:00 Definitely do play Indika. I rarely feel like the "cinematic" games do anything interesting with their camerawork outside of Kojima's stuff to justify the gameplay restrictions the style necessitates. But, Indika gets it right. Some truly inspired shots in the demo. Very excited for that one.

[@StandardGabriel]

Past Lives is my favorite movie from last year, along with Godzilla Minus One. And I would put Past Lives up there with the Before Sunrise/Sunset/Midnight trilogy for just good simple relationship movies.

[@LucaHereFor3MonthsPremium]

Before Trilogy gang rise up!

[@StandardGabriel]

@Joe-no7gs Before Sunrise 1995, followed by Before Sunset in 2004, followed by Before Midnight in 2013. All the same people, in different ages of their relationship every 9 years.

[@PredictTheFuture]

Soundboards are so being kept on mute

[@apollodingo3583]

One big thing that no one mentions is day one PC releases. That actually made it so I didn’t need a Xbox anymore. And I have a lot of friends who stopped buying Xbox for the same reason

[@KainsAddiction]

There is LITERALLY no reason to buy an Xbox if you have a PC. Full stop. Cant say that for PS5

[@baundiesel]

You are still buying Xbox though. That's the point. They don't handcuff you to an outdated console if you don't want to be by making you wait 4 years for their exclusive games to hit PC. It's not like hardware is a money maker for them or PlayStation either.

[@marwynthemasterful6369]

⁠@@baundieselI’m really not though. $10 GPass rentals twice a year and your good. Xbox ain’t releasing that many games. Last year all I wanted to play was Lies of P, Wo Long, and Starfield (the only Xbox game). Only had to sub March and September. If I was buying games I’d be spending $120+. Instead I’m spending $20. This is why they need to sell games on PS now. I’d also buy my shit on Steam, not MS store. Let’s not forget 5% of GPass subs are probably paying $1/month or whatever too. Sweet for you, not sweet for Xbox.

[@juicemonger3872]

The only near term play I see with Microsoft is publishing their Xbox titles on other consoles for full retail price, while reserving Gamepass access for those same games exclusively for PC and Xbox consoles. Curious to see what Phil Spencer reveals next week.

[@darkchylde02601]

Jake chose violence right out the gate. 😂😂

[@CaptainNamikaze]

Ahh, they were talking about GIFs in the beginning. Here I was thinking 'what's wrong with gifts?' :D PS I can see Xbox trying to make a deal to have game pass on Nintendo and Sony hardware one day, since it's already on the smart tvs and phones. Microsoft has always been a software company first, about 85% of their revenue comes from software. I don't think they will stop releasing Xboxes but I don't think hardware is their focus, if it ever was.

[@trenthadler5998]

i will always have respect and deep admiration for ralph because he doesn’t let bullshit slide when someone says some thing that can be seen as fanboy-ish stuff. please never change

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

As a PS5 user, not so sure putting Xbox exclusives on the PS5 is a good idea. Competitors apply downward pressure on Sony, the PS5 (or any product, really) is only as good as it is given that Sony _really_ want to stay at the front. i mean it's great for us in the short term given we don't need to buy XsX for Halo Infinite, StarField, Senua HellBlade2, and whatnot. But's prolly not good for the market long term.

[@Mojaveknight17]

Makes money sense for Microsoft

[@bozzwick]

100%. Competition is great. Hopefully PS gets some one day. Cause Xbox peaked with 360, which launched an entire year before PS3 and still lost out on sales in the end (PS3 stayed in the market a year extra, but let’s be honest, when do more sales happen? The first year of a console, or the last?), and has gone down hill ever since. It’s sucks, but you can’t force people to support them when they release crap like Redfall and Starfield (that one is more polarizing). Personally I would LOVE valve to take another crack at their steam machine console thing. With the success of the steam deck I think people are more ready for valve hardware (as long as they can keep the price reasonable. Which was the problem with the first steam machines).

[@Tlk2Rbts]

"We gotta give harry Potter a gun" fucking love Jake

[@Cyborg_1612]

KindaFunny crossover lesgo

[@AmandaDS]

I really like how frequently you guys have game devs on this podcast. This is something we don't really get anywhere else. Keep it up!

[@ModestMouseTrap]

Sony and Nintendo don’t do reactive communication for a reason. It’s bad. Being chummy with your fans is BAD.

[@raymondkhessel1340]

Holy crap. What a good episode with legendary guests.

[@kylejoseph8941]

Xbox has already left the console space and if the leak is true that they're gearing up for a digital only console then it almost confirms they don't care about it

[@maxpeterson3178]

Great conversation with Paris but I really think you are all underestimating the power of FOMO. If Xbox were to move to timed exclusivity, yes there would be people that just get a PS5 but there would be a lot of people that still get an Xbox or PC so they don't have to wait. You all mentioned 6 month timed exclusivity. I think that's unlikely. I think 1 year is way more likely and that's a long time to wait to play a game you are interested in. I think if Xbox does this, it possibly could be because they've seen the success playstation has had porting to pc. There's a lot of double dipping and Xbox likely sees the value in shipping a game on Xbox/PC and then getting a brand new hype cycle when it comes to Playstation a year later. They'll get more sales via PS and the hype cycle with convert into a sales/engagement via gamepass surge on Xbox and PC as well.

[@porcupinebutter]

I would love it if you guys had someone from Last Stand Media on as a guest in one of the FPS shows!

[@battlep0t]

They have had Gene on twice

[@Simbabweman]

Psychonauts 2, although being an Xbox studios game, is on Playstation. It's a weird one too since it's not really an Xbox original, the first one came out on PS2 etc back in the day and 2 had been in development for a long time before it became an Xbox studio. It's kinda like senuas sacrifice, they've not really developed the idea or the game just bought the rights by buying the studio

[@yomamasohot6411]

I'll tell you why it came to the ps4. It's not out of the goodness of Ms' heart. They did it because they were bound by a contract. Double fine raised money through kickstarter and promised to deliver a ps4 version. When it eventually got bought by MS, they still had to deliver on the promise they made to their investors. Do you want to know how scummy MS is? They made an XSX version but not a PS5 version for psychonauts 2 because they were not required to by law. They could have easily greenlit a ps5 version for goodwill but didn't.

[@noahDnewport]

The first Psychonauts was on OG Xbox.

[@Simbabweman]

@@noahDnewport yeah I was waiting for this because I put "PS2 etc" you seem to think I was omitting other platforms. I'm aware but it wasn't an Xbox exclusive or Xbox studio at that time. It's not their original IP, the sequel was already in development for years before MS decided to buy them out.

[@davinperry5648]

Before I buy a console (usually one per gen) I look to see which has the games I want to play. This Gen it was the Switch.

[@aspinnycracker]

As an EB Games worker, telling people the pros and cons between Xbox and PS5 immediately makes them want to get a PS5, especially because internet is crap is Australia, and alot of older consumers or ones with kids dont want to be putting their credit card details into a console for a subscription (GamePass) Plus they already know many of the exclusives like God of War or Spider-Man

[@CameronBFunny]

No need to imagine. We've been living an exclusiveless Xbox for the past 10 years.

[@davesharma25]

Man i didnt know how funny and charismatic Greg Miller was lol he should be on the podcast more he adds a nice element

[@tacos007]

The whole thing is probably being overblown. All they'd have to do is timed exclusives and they could keep their console fans.

[@actually_yali]

1:10:29 that Pinky and the Brain reference caught me off guard lol

[@nattobaby]

don't have to imagine. were already experiencing it

[@TheRealUcanUwill]

Maybe my lifestyle is ancient compared to them kids today, but to me X box has always been irrelevant, cause all their games are also on PC, and I can not imagine my life without having a decent PC, even if I am not much a gamer. People say to me that smart phones replaced PC's, and to me that's insane. I know X box is cheaper, games are usually optimized there at least, but PC is PC, I will never live without it, so I will never have to buy actual X box. P.S. Is it just me, or youtube lagging like crazy unless you turn off adblock extension? Touche KZbin, touche...

[@bandanna2388]

Lmao this aged like milk. The guy who spread the original rumour has walked it back and said he was wrong and fed bad info! People really believe anything huh???

[@baundiesel]

PlayStation will end 2024 without a single first party exclusive release and only 1 in 2023. Xbox has had many more with only Redfall being a flop. Fanboy narratives are wild.

[@bandanna2388]

@@baundiesel is that true? I swear Helldivers 2 was first party right? Or am I thinking of another game?

[@baundiesel]

@@bandanna2388 Helldiver's 2 is sorta weird because Sony owns the IP but it was made by a 3rd party studio. Kind of a... "Second Party" game I guess? It's a fucking cool game though and funny enough is a good argument for games being on multiple platforms. lol

[@mister-pinkman]

3:23 “we’re gonna be talking about suicide” out of context is wild

[@ludahwolf3634]

You guys might be right about suicide squad. But I've never had a online looters shooter hit this way for me. Ever. This one is my jam. 😊

[@calebirvin6494]

I think the substitution (whether intended that way or not) of “this week in the way back” which was kinda a Jirard thing, with “show and tell” has been excellent and i personally like it more since its more varied and nerds love nerding out about things they love no matter what it is

[@DroneCorpse]

crazy how greg miller's charisma levels are always a 100. great ep lads

[@Dan-hz4vf]

LOVE past lives, awesome to see that call out. It's definitely not for everyone because of the type of movie it is but it truly is amazing. Hope it wins best picture!

[@LucaHereFor3MonthsPremium]

The digital library argument only goes so far when someone like me, switched from owning an Xbox One and 360. I switched for the games, I comment this everytime I hear that mentioned lmao.

[@nullunit]

I have never owned an X-Box but been playing the "exclusive" games as they inevitably come to PC. I have a PS5 I almost regret buying because very little from this generation has sparked my interest and since Sony is also slowly releasing their big titles on PC, I am seeing a future where I don't need to buy a console to play all the games I care about. In the end whatever MS decides to do will likely be a smart move, even if they decided to step out of the hardware business and maybe fold the X-Box service into an app that is platform agnostic. That would make sense with Gamepass and their x-cloud business. The tribal console war bs is really immaterial to the identity of the games or brand if people are being logical. With few exceptions you need to be online if you have a console anyway and if lack of internet was a hurdle, this wouldn't change anything. They would save probably hundreds of billions on hardware development and they are already deep into cloud with Azure, and MS are one of the oldest software devs in history so I feel like it would just be like strength on strength for them. The acquisition of so many studios recently would also just be a broadening of their focus on software development essentially instead of having to gamble every generation on if some rando is going to choose to invest in a PlayStation or Nintendo instead. In the end they will do what their shareholders want them to do and I feel like if the hardware business is a weight on their neck, they will drop it and all the console warriors can suck it. It would be a boon for PS, it would be a boon for Nintendo, and in the end it would probably be a boon for MS.

[@Trailmixmedia88]

I’d say we don’t have to imagine it. Microsoft bought all these game companies yet I feel like I’m 4 years since all that began we haven’t gotten anything on Xbox that makes me want to buy one

[@nailinthefashion]

I was gonna get one for Scalebound and they canceled that lmao I haven't played on one since Mechassault 2 lonewolf

[@Florkl]

Soundboard is temporary and only works for everyone currently listening. Gifs remain as a monument to your triumph or shame

[@SG0041]

Problem is game pass, those exclusives that cost a boatload of money to produce dont really see a return of investment because of the day 1 releases on GP, I known they get a monthly fee for it but mind you there are over 100 games on tge service and most of them cost millions to keep on the service, now imagine they release on ps5/switch that would add over 100mil new potential customers and you could keep launching day 1 on GP. Its a win win imo

[@rangersnut]

Gamepass has had many months of bloatware. It was a silly decision to put exclusives day 1 in a financial sense.

[@apexfalllegendarium349]

demon souls on pass would be hype lul

[@rangersnut]

@@apexfalllegendarium349 laughing at your own comment, very cool.

[@noodles9345]

Well last I heard gamepass had about 25 million subs. That's 250 million a month and 3 billion a year. On top of the money that they still make from selling games. So I'm pretty sure they aren't in a state of desperation financially, independent of Microsoft as a whole.

[@marwynthemasterful6369]

@@rangersnutIf they didn’t have Day1, it’d be even stupider to stick with Xbox And the outcry if they took them away now… I really don’t think they should put the newest CoD on GPass. Make ppl buy it for a year, like EA and the sports games before they go to EA Access.

[@CandyAmble]

jake's hair is so pretty i'm jealous every time i see those shiny black waves 😂

[@alextiedt4481]

As an Xbox stan who's only owned Xboxes, I'd be happy if they went multi console. To this day one of my best friends is on Playstation so I can't play the majority of games with them. I know that exclusives that sell consoles but the fact that so many people have an experienced the GOW original trilogy is a crime. RIP Dom.

[@Kazikox]

As much as I love Ralph, I find it weird how easy he is on Phil. Especially now with all the layoffs after he explicitly stated this would not be the case with all these acquisitions.

[@r3m1]

(geek face on) Ivy is a child because it's kind of like Groot when he comes back as a sapling

[@user-to1su2iy4d]

Doesn't make it any less weird

[@nailinthefashion]

​@@user-to1su2iy4dweird in what way? There's a talking humanoid shark and a dude with a ring that controls light lol it's not that crazy

[@gruntingskunk2237]

Gay people

[@jonasking9587]

Super geeky to know something about the MCU! ...ie some of the most popular shit out there, lol.

[@meizanmestech]

As a fan of both fps & kf, i was so excited for this episode. Been smiling all the way through. Great job guys

[@titusorelius9458]

Steam deleted hundreds of negative reviews for Suicide Squad.

[@dingus2k]

indika was a great showing! i really was surprised by that one, great demo

[@xander9460]

Suicide Squad just shows me AGAIN how incredible Warframe and Destiny 2 are.

[@hogg1220]

I find the gameplay itself much better than either. Story as well. And graphics. Also the characters. World itself at the same time. They may not get the looter shooter entirely right but everything else is top notch.

[@Michael-fs1cw]

Hello do u like war frame and destiny 2? Do you not like suicide squad ? Interesting cool

[@Sly_404]

@@hogg1220Found the WB exec!

[@faboo2001]

Regarding the unknown future of gaming, I absolutely hate the argument of " just use a PC". It totally ignores the fact on how expensive and complicated it can get for consumers, and with how bad PC ports can get obviously for devs as well. There's a reason why I've stuck with consoles ever since I got my first NES.

[@DV-ou1yu]

Not gonna lie, those PS5 boxed copies for Gears and Starfield look dope.

[@ChrisLT]

Lucy's "it's the bat!" made me laugh way more than it should at 1:24:20.

[@JosephStillGames]

Love starting my Saturdays with FPS and a warm cuppa Joe, and I'm all outta Joe...

[@bozzwick]

But you’re name is Joseph! You’re never out of Joe!

[@JosephStillGames]

@@bozzwick bit ironic I know, times are tough 🤷‍♂️

[@neighborofthedevil]

Really enjoyed this whole episode, this is one of the only video games podcasts I will actively listen to the whole way through. Loving a few of the additional editing tweaks that have been added lately. Now I have to watch Jeff Jeff's adventure doing cowboy bebop after Lucy mentioned it!

[@rpelletier2771]

Considering the last few years Xbox hasn’t had that many exclusives I think we’ll be fine I doubt we’ll even notice 😂

[@matthewfairchild3846]

I bought the PS5 because I wanted to play FF7 Remake. I couldn't find anything similar releasing for Xbox. And Halo development had some huge issues which made me skeptical of it releasing in good condition. I'm glad I didn't get the series X. So far, every major release for Xbox has shat the bed.

[@klaykid117]

If Xbox was really smart about how they handle this, they would require that anybody who wants to play Xbox games on PlayStation would need to subscribe to game regardless of whether or not the game is free to play. So even if you want to play halo infinite multiplayer on PlayStation, you would still need a game pass subscription which would be genius for Microsoft

[@kunimitsune177]

As if playstation would agree to that though? IIRC they blocked pretty much that exact thing with Minecraft and that's one of the biggest games EVER.

[@dem0nfr0g39]

One aspect of speeding running I really enjoy is the no hit runners. there are guys that do all the souls games front to end without getting hit. It is really nice because they arent worried about time, just execution and its much more chill than your standard any% runs

[@DG-oc2uw]

Xbox hardware will become the equivalent of an AppleTV box. A small streaming box that allows low price, easy entry for people who don't have or want a PC to game. Xbox is just Game Pass now, and they want you locked to it, online only, not owning any games with Microsoft controlling what is available and when. I've said this since Game Pass first got announced, and the Activision buyout was purely to feed games to it. This is why people who look beyond the 'best deal in gaming' headline realised Game Pass was and is detrimental to the entire industry and everyone blindly supporting it has only made things worse.

[@apexfalllegendarium349]

But then i just use dev mode and emulate area 51

[@apexfalllegendarium349]

Next xbox will be an pc with the windows boot up and login lul