Imputed Righteousness - Dr. James R. White

[@GustAdlph]

I am a former Roman Catholic and it's sad but true that Catholics never have assurance of salvation.

[@daysmanoftheages1411]

Thank God for this message. What a wonderful message.

[@HectorTheGr8]

Excellent stuff

[@jamessheffield4173]

Romans 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the LORD will not impute sin.

[@arminelias3819]

I thank God that he led me out of the roman catholic system. I rest in the finished work of Christ now, I do not need the Pope of rome to forgive my sin. Christ is enough, his word is enough.

[@reformedcatholic457]

Amen! God bless you greatly and praise God that He led you out of the Roman Catholic church!

[@Ryan_Zell]

Armin Elias ~~~ I don't think God would lead you out of Christ's One True Church. It was Satan. The Reformation was a victory for Satan. To leave the Church Christ Himself established on the foundation of the faith of His Apostles and prophets, is to follow the gospel of another and that isn't Christ, or anybody He sent.

[@reformedcatholic457]

So you saying Christ is not enough and God's Word is not enough? No wonder the Reformation happened. It is so clear the Roman Catholic church is false, and you are blind to see it. I pray for you for God to open your eyes to see the truth.

[@Ryan_Zell]

Biblical Christianity ~~~~ Sorry brother, I didn't say that. Please do not put words in my mouth. The Reformation happend just like any other heresy is the Catholic Church. After Arianism, the Church grew stronger. After Nestorianism, the Church grew stronger. After the other heresies, the Church grew stronger. After the Reformation, the Church grew stronger. And by the way (and please do not think I lack Charity), the Reformation should be properly called the Deformation. You mean that after 40,000 denominations, cults and sects, you assert that the Catholic church is false. OK. So tell us which one of the 40,000 denominations, cults and sects is the true Church Christ established. Now, please do not insult my intelligence and say that they all are because we both know that is not true. Are you claiming that Jesus Christ made a mistake the first time around and had to wait for Luther, Zwingli and Calvin to correct the Holy Spirit? Ort are you claiming that Jesus Christ is a polygamist and jumps from church to denominations and has multiple brides. Get real. Satan always comes as an angel of light....Always. Imputed Righteousness is a false doctrine. And in fact your definition of Imputed Righteousness may be different from the Calvinist definition. If Protestantism can't even agree on the definitions of all the invented doctrines born out of the reformation, well, this is what heresy is all about, CHAOS and disunity. A win for Satan. Welcome to Protestantism. I believe a few months ago you made claims that Clement believed in faith alone (I could be mistaken). That is false.

[@reformedcatholic457]

How do you know my name? lol you stalking me mate :P And yes, I said Clement believed in Sola Fide.

[@craigsherman4480]

Finally, here is a video that discusses infused vs. Imputed righteousness from a Catholic perspective. I hope you take the time to listen to both presentations when deciding which is correct. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gmKXhoGglr99o5o

[@cue_khb]

2 Corinthians 5.21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. First, tell me how Christ was made sin. Then you can tell me how we are made righteous.

[@joeltango6405]

Joel Tango Righteousness is not infused or imputed. What was imputed(accredited) to Abraham was what God had promised him. If you write out a ledger it would look like this. God owing Abraham a seed on the left side of the page. Abraham owed a seed on the right side of the page. The way this ledger came into existance is by the "function" of faith. For example if I promised you ten dollars and you took me at my word (believed me) The only righteousness on trial now would be mine ( being truthful giving you the ten dollars or untruthful by not giving it) The ledger is only squared away when God performs righteousness (which is all he can do thus ensuring the promise)by giving Abraham the seed promised and all other commitments of the promise fufilled. Now read the scripture again. Abraham believed God and it ("it" being the promise) was imputed for righteousness. If you read all other sciptures in the bible where God promises and someone believes that promise this is how it is fit.All of them bar none. Also "There is none righteous no not one"also now works,It would fail if Abraham was counted or infused or whatever how he was righteous before God.lol.And I have yet to see His word fail " Let God be True and every man a liar". Being truthful is an act that flows from righteousness , being untruthful is an act that flows from unrighteousness. God was not only promising Abraham a seed , He was going to exhibit His own righteousness to him by fufilling the promise . The flip side to the coin is if Abraham did not believe God God does not have to perform anything No seed is given Sarah stays barren Issac is not born ... etc etc So now would God "impute" unrighteousness to Abraham because he did not believe? Some how I dont think so. 😁

[@davidbalicki3567]

what was imputed was a promise? Trying to wrap my brain around that one

[@dominic5520]

Just believe in HIM and HE will lead you.forget all the legalistic doubletalk.

[@reformedcatholic457]

What do you mean by legalistic double talk?

[@Ryan_Zell]

Hi Dominic. Just believe in HIM........ John 3:36 ~ He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” The Baptist, who came to prepare the way for the coming of the Lord is saying something different here in this passage. What is wrong with grace, through faith and responding with obedience to that faith? Yes, Yes, Yes, faith alone, but a faith that is not alone....... but yet, no obedience and you have incurred the wrath of God. We call this: *Faith informed by Agape.* That love for God that we display in our lives to be worthy of Christ. You don't want to be in possession of a dead faith, because even the demons believe. Can a dead faith save you? I say NO. Sola Fide says Yes, even a dead faith can save you. I can't agree with this because of what I read in scripture that faith alone will not save you. I'm sure Biblical Christianity will chime in here and try to reconcile James 2 with Paul, but there really is no need because Paul didn't teach Sola Fide. Luther did....................not Paul. Blessings Brother

[@Ryan_Zell]

tim spangler ~~~ Neither you or Tracy have the brains to defend even your false Christ.

[@Ggeg0000]

Zell, James 2 can be reconciled with Paul, indeed there is no need to "reconcile" since there is no problem . Salvation is by faith without works. Your interpretation of James would break the NT because Paul is so clear we are saved by faith alone that to interpret Paul to say otherwise is to say there is a major contradiction. And don't bring up finding the word "alone" in Paul. It is not necessary to understand Paul correctly.

[@nicolas9533]

people who think kissing a statue's feet is not idolatry ... what can you do ? Matthew 23:9 - "call no man your father on this earth, because you only have one Father in heaven" -> pope : latin for papa : father. You have only one authority, your Father in heaven.

[@blessed_are_the_believers]

Nicolas the apostle Paul said he was our father in Christ 1 Corinthians 4:15 ....so there is that!

[@nicolas9533]

@@blessed_are_the_believers How does that cancel out Mat.23:9? Here he's talking about bringing people into faith (this kind of fatherhood), Paul doesn't say he is their spiritual authority ... the Pope (meaning the Father) does.

[@blessed_are_the_believers]

Nicolas You do understand that the apostles including Peter were given spiritual authority by Christ right? He gave Peter the “keys to the kingdom” which is spiritual authority to govern the church.

[@blessed_are_the_believers]

Nicolas this authority was passed down to each overseer of the church in what is called “apostolic succession”

[@nicolas9533]

@@blessed_are_the_believers Apostles are messengers/emissaries, not authorities. "apostle" (apóstolos), literally "one who is sent off". Peter is a key holder, and no-one knows what it means, or what it will mean in the future kingdom. Catholics fantasied about it, because they think they are of Peter, just by saying it. Galatians is a book about Paul rebuking Peter about the false doctrine of work-salvation : tell me who have authority there? “apostolic succession” is a catholic theory, it's not even biblical. Nowhere in the bible an authority is passed down by laying on hand like they claim. the roman church claimed authority, it doesn't mean it has it. You just have to watch his history to know it worships demons since they introduced the cult to the queen of heaven. Matthew 23:9 states you have only one authority : the Father (because Mat.23:9 is not about biological fatherhood, then it's about the authority of the Father)

[@ericstreff3065]

Might somebody explain the difference between infused righteousness and imputed righteousness?

[@45paisley]

I will take a crack at it, though I am not expert for sure. Infused righteousness is simply like having something poured into you , Imputed righteousness is a legal term saying that you are ascribed (attributed) something. So in a sense infused is a continual process needing our help where as imputed is a declaration and is a one time action not needing our help. Like said I may be slightly off on that interpretation, but hopefully that helps.

[@Ggeg0000]

I think the problem with the RCC is that they confuse justification with sanctification IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS means that God imputes to us the righteousness of Christ, the righteousness of his life that he lived in perfect obedience to the law and will of God. Justification means that God gives us a right standing before him. God sees us covered with the righteousness of Christ. All of our sins, past, present and future are forgiven when we are justified. Rome deals with justification in two different ways. In the first instance, justification occurs through the instrument of baptism, when the grace of justification is infused into the soul of the child. The child is then regarded as being in a state of grace for as long as he keeps himself pure from mortal sin, a sin ...that it has the ability to destroy the grace of justification. If a person commits a mortal sin, however, there is a second manner by which that person can be justified. The Council of Trent described the sacrament of penance as the second way of justification for those who had made shipwreck of their souls. RC Sproul Biblical basis for IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS Romans 4 5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who JUSTIFIES THE UNGODLY, HIS FAITH IS COUNTED AS RIGHTEOUSNESS, 6 just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God COUNTS RIGHTEOUSNESS APART FROM WORKS: 7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; 8 blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.” 2 Corinthians 5 21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him WE MIGHT BECOME THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD. Romans 3 21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it- 22 THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST FOR ALL WHO BELIEVE. For there is no distinction: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,, Philippians 3:9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, THE RIGHTEOUSNESS FROM GOD THAT DEPENDS ON FAITH Romans 5:17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and THE FREE GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. 19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous. Isaiah 53:11 ... by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant, make MANY TO BE ACCOUNTED RIGHTEOUS, and he shall bear their iniquities.

[@Ggeg0000]

Here's more from Dr. RC Sproul 'Gospel of God' on the difference between imputed and infused righteousness Another distinction is also crucial: the debate between Rome and Protestantism often hinges on two words: ‘imputed’ and ‘infused’. To impute something is to transfer to someone's account. To infuse is to pour in. Now both Rome and Protestantism believe that there is no justification apart from the work of Christ. THE DEBATE IS THIS: HOW DOES THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST BECOME OURS? How is the objective work of Christ subjectively appropriated? That is the issue. Protestantism teaches that the righteousness of Christ is imputed to any believer by a Divine declaration, so that God counts us righteous. The Roman Catholic view is that, in baptism, the grace of justification is infused into the soul. It is not a clear cut statement - but the tendency is to think of grace in quantitative terms, something that can be added to or lost, augmented or diminished. They speak of ‘losing grace’ or ‘adding grace’ or ‘increasing grace’ to the soul. As that added measure of grace is infused into the soul, there is a greater opportunity, a greater strength, a greater power, to actually become righteous. This is why the Roman Catholic Church believes that the commission of mortal sin destroys salvation, and a person must start over again, as it were, through the sacrament of penance.

[@ericstreff3065]

Jonathan and Ggeg (thanks for the responses)How is the righteousness of Christ imputed unto us? I'm sure you would say by believing correct? (Maybe the RCC would say by being baptized, idk?) Anyhow this theory seems to be inconsistent, for we see many that confess the name of Christ but continue on in lifestyles of sin. So either God is being bias in his infusing or this infusion is to be interpreted in another way? (I might have an idea)

[@Ggeg0000]

When we believe, we are justified by the righteousness of Christ being given to us. Now of course some will say they accepted Christ and have not really done so. But that does not nullify the real experience of the person who is truly justified. If you are truly justified and been born again you have salvation and it will not be lost, because he will keep us. more to come

[@Ryan_Zell]

You can believe you are declared righteous and think you have fooled God. I'd rather have infused righteousness as taught by Christ to the Apostles and those that came after them. Inputed righteousness is an invention. If you think otherwise, come to the Zell Challenge and prove its biblical by proving there were others who taught this false doctrine. Please do not give me Bible verses to prove inputed righteousness. Because Arius used scripture to prove that Jesus was not divine and every heretic, some you agree with and some you don't, used scripture to prove their heresies.

[@reformedcatholic457]

Yes, I agree infused righteousness is an invention of man.

[@Ryan_Zell]

Biblical Christianity ~~~ Oops. I meant imputed righteousness. LOL. That is what happens when you debate on a phone. Anyway, again, no worries and don't laugh, but it is bed time for this old man. LOL.

[@threearrowsproductions7311]

Wow, James White doesn't know what infused righteousness is. How much education does he have? He can be refuted by something as simple as the catechism of the Catholic church.

[@theneverending9319]

Three Arrows Productions or maybe you don’t really know

[@Ggeg0000]

Where is he wrong? How are we to understand infused righteousness in the RCC?

[@mspatches2009]

Three Arrows Productions it’s not infused righteousness, it’s IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS! Catholicism is a CULT!

[@williemoe2927]

Who is pleasing to God? Those who walk in the righteousness of his law. Those who obey the law of God. This guy does not teach the bible. Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

[@Ryan_Zell]

Here are two responses given to someone asking me why I have a problem with Imputed Righteouness: When God looked at the churches in Revelation, He did not say “I see the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ. I look on you and see blameless perfection.” He said to them, “I know thy works” (Rev. 2:2; 2:9; 2:13; 2:9; 3:1; 2:8; 2:15). And He said, “be zealous therefore, and repent” (Rev. 3:19). But those who don’t want to repent of their sins dream that God does not even see their sin anymore. (from my notes). I have no problem with Imputed Righteousness except that it will pollute the weak and those of little faith into believing false doctrines which will lead them away from the True Christ which can be encountered in the Catholic Church. 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds. Imputed Righteousness is disguising you as Christ (verse 13), even as Satan disguises himself as an angel of light (verse 14). So what protestants who believe in this false doctrine are in essence doing is disguising themselves as servants of imputed righteouness. 2. When Paul: hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord. Did God see Jesus Christ stenciled over this man? Why does Paul hand over Jesus (stenciled over this man) to Satan? And when Paul: Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme. Why does Paul hand these two guys (who have Jesus' imputed righteouness stenciled over themselves) over to Satan. If these men have the Jesus' righteousness imputed to them, then God isn't even aware of their sins which caused Paul to hand them over to Satan. This is a FALSE DOCTRINE that not all protestants believe in. Why don't you renounce this False Doctrine before God right now.

[@theneverending9319]

R. Zell one issue is you are using repent wrong. It means a change of mind, not turn from sin. He is saying for them to change their minds about these things.

[@holzmann-]

this man is lying to you, don't listen to him he that doeth righteous is righteous

[@cue_khb]

Simply LW97. That is the Law. The Law was designed to condemn us. Why are you holding to the Law when Christ has fulfilled its requirement for us?

[@threearrowsproductions7311]

He has no idea about Roman Catholic theology. As a Roman Catholic, please do not take this guy's teachings seriously if you want to know anything about catholic theology. He's clueless.

[@Ggeg0000]

please explain where he is wrong if you know

[@Nolongeraslave]

Maybe you are the one who has no clue!

[@godloveushehwhhd4690]

You should learn from what he has to say. It could do you a lot of good. He does not mean to get in anybodys face he is only trying to help people see the gospel more clearly

[@craigsherman4480]

Ggeg0000 I read your discussion in other comments. They are quite good. While I do not agree with your conclusion on righteousness and justification, I respect the fact that you have looked into it as much as you have. I wish more people would take the time.

[@craigsherman4480]

At around 38 minutes Mr. White talks about the debate he had with Trent Horn. Here is the link to that debate. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bWO3g4J6mp11mqM