In Defense of Gundam Wing

Gundam Wing is great and I'm tired of pretending it's not. Okay I never pretended that it wasn't, but I wanna take some time to talk about this series and the really weird hate that it gets from people based on it not being another Gundam Show, as opposed to actual criticism that makes sense.
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[@BigMicahC]

Edit: The Amount of salty Seed fanboys in the comments being mad because their show sucks has guaranteed that I'll be mocking Seed for the next two years at the very least. Just a heads up but I goofed with the vid. I forgot to update the Patrons list. It'll be updated for the next vids. As for being able to get on that list, there's gonna be a new way! We're opening up Channel Memberships! I've still gotta do some configuring with Discord for server access, but that'll be available plus access to polls for review choices and things of that nature. So Don't hesitate to sign up!

[@caiuscouto9049]

I love a good endless waltz

[@mitchellalexander9162]

That's not good enough. You need to do a Series Deep Dive that includes SEED Freedom in 2026 just to Spite these clowns. Whenever its convenient to and you work up the stones to endure Destiny's Ending One More Time for Content and Deep Dive completion.

[@bitterblossom19]

I think the Seed vs Wing discussion amounts to which series has the most plot armor in general (Wing takes the cake ez). Between the two, I can't really say I like either but if forced and I can't say neither, I'd pick ZZ and I hated that part of the UC. Wing is good when watched subbed though so there's that, especially if you watch either wing or seed after suffering through the live action gundam and G Gundam. That said, Zechs easily the better one vs his seed counterpart.

[@rx_mattskii]

I like Gundam Wing too.

[@androyus]

Eh, who are you kidding with that "Edit"? You will _always_ bash SEED whenever you have a good chance to no matter what. It's in your blood until the day you stop breathing 🤣

[@TheKiltedGerman]

The scene in Endless Waltz where Zero is revealed for the first time is the single greatest piece of animation ever made by man and I will gladly die on this hill.

[@vonshroom2068]

There have been way better Gundam showings pre Wing and as for animation well... Zero does not even come close to some of the insane animations 80s/90s japanese animators made. Still i love Wing, the movie but damn the music was absurdly good for a gundam anime.

[@TheKiltedGerman]

@vonshroom2068 You don't get it.

[@vonshroom2068]

@@TheKiltedGerman I do but i grew up with older gundam before wing showed up on the saturday morning cartoon list.

[@dirge7459]

@@vonshroom2068 And this is why you probably won't get it. Like look at Boomers for example, barely any of them get what Gen X liked, or what Gen Y loved as well (my parents were boomers, while I am Gen Y and I know this for a fact). To Boomers, what they had "back in their day" was better compared to what was had, despite what else came after that. But there are core differences. Boomers grew up with old Disney, good and all that jazz, but Gen Y got to grow up during Disney's golden age during the 90's to mid 00's, something Boomers will never have. SO while you guys might have grown up with og Gundam, every Gundam show has had it's flaws, but we all love them for different reasons. But just to bring it all home, what KiltedGerman said is a "peak" (as the kids call it these days) scene for that movie. We barely see anime, let alone mecha with literal wings being animated that fluidly, especially given how most animation these days is done using near pure CGI. I've also watched og Gundam, and while I also liked the og, it wasn't pinnacle hallmark for animation, that goes to Macross for the sheer amount of talent they had on board for that movie.

[@vonshroom2068]

@ What are you on about? MS 08th, Gundam stardust memory simply had better animation. I grew up with gundam wing as a saturday morning cartoon but i also grew up with the other Gundam shows over in europe as we already had the older shows air before cartoon network and toonami brought anime in english for us on our own cartoon channels. I mean Look up Alfred J. Kwak its a Dutch anime made by Sunrise it also comes in english and like 30 other languages so take your pick. We had the luck and fortune of simply better animated shows back in the day, but that doesn't mean i dislike Wing at all as its in my top 3 gundam shows besides 08th and stardust memory. Granted wings story is just 10x better then most gundam shows since it had a structure to it. Double XX is sadly one of those that never got the love in japan that it had over in europe as that one is also solidly animated no repeat animations etc. Its why seed is so hated as well. Poor story, repeat animations and general dislikable characters.

[@Sp33ddialz]

Gundam Wing/ Trigun/ Outlaw Star. These were the trinity of early 2000's Toonami anime, and always hold a place in my heart.

[@shadesXL1220]

Can I just say that I am totally with you. Outlaw Star never gets the recognition that it deserves. It never shows up on underrated lists or overrated lists. It just exists and everyone has forgot about it. As far as Gundam Wing goes, I haven't seen every series. But of the ones that I have seen, I rank this one as among the best. I think a lot of people get butt hurt that it's not part of the UC timeline.

[@fullmetalf4i]

Can we talk about how good of a shot Lady Une is? She just kicked that dude out of a jet and shot him through the head with a pistol as he was feefalling....

[@ArrowheadAN]

My mom asked if the dishes were done and I yelled "Gundam Wing" She hugged me. She knew they were washed.

[@AlexRoivas]

Also, the music in Gundam Wing was amazing. The music that plays in the first episode when the Wing Gundam fights the Leo during r Earth reentry set the tone for what was to come.

[@TheAlterspark]

Gundam Wing got me into the series, will always have a special place in my heart. Love the action and the suits

[@MrStriker2332]

The real travesty is that we get next to no model kits for any of the other mobile suits in wing that arent a gundam

[@Dogbold-Rue]

Another version/size of Leo

[@Demiurge13]

tallgeese

[@MrStriker2332]

Id like a modern Vayeate and Mercurius but ill take any of the grunt suits like the Aries or the Virgo.

[@MrStriker2332]

Yes but that was just an hg tho and expensive to boot

[@willisjackson7029]

@@MrStriker2332 But the problem is that Bandai is releasing too many popular MS in the Gundam franchise as P-Bandai when I know even the Japanese people think that Bandai is overdoing the P-Bandai releases for main or popular suits.

[@ashharkausar413]

Wing was the starting point for me. I will cherish it forever.

[@ClintOrris]

People hate on Wing but it holds up. Yes it has that early 90s slowness at times, but as a setting it is arguably the best. Why they never did anything to expand it with spin off series taking place in the same universe, or made another series similar to Wing is beyond me

[@CH3353N1NJ45]

Probably because something to do with how well the gunpla kits sold in Japan.

[@acidous]

well, they kinda did (g-unit and GOL remake), problem is, they sucked hard. Partially because everyone felt the urge to make wing more super-robotish, with exaggerated weapons etc.

[@ClintOrris]

@@acidous Sad but true. That is the exact reason why I got burned on gundam, the 2000s were visually a nightmare. I liked wing because it was a mix of flash and function

[@AlexRoivas]

Adult Swim was literally made to show uncensored Gundam Wing. It was an amazing time. There was no Western cartoon or any other tv show like Gundam Wing at the time. I rememberboyl the guys talking about it in middle school. Great time to grow up.

[@GarretWaldron]

Gundam Wing was my first taste of the Gundam franchise and I still love it to this day. But I am a fan of Gundam Seed too.

[@wilreed8478]

Char has some of the most iconic mobile suits. Without a doubt, but saying that. Tallgeese every version is on its own level. I'm biased but the Tallgeese was the first gunpla I built, and every kitbash I do has parts of the Tallgeese(1-3) integrated into it because of just how good it looks.

[@telluhwatboy]

Elitism in the Gundam fandom is truly bizarre. Don’t know how they crap on GN Drive tech and abilities that it grants, but can be perfectly fine with Newtype, dead people, space magic. Also the political plots of Gundam Wing are superior to all other Gundam series.

[@kommandantbaker]

Same man. I actually like most Gundam series. The only ones I didn't like were AGE, Reconguista, and Build fighters. All of the rest had something to enjoy, like SEED's mech designs, or G-Gundam's over the top goofy fight scenes. Elitists suck the fun out of every franchise. I speak from experience as a Star Wars enjoyer.

[@uptown710]

The political plot in wing is convoluted as hell. It’s basically trying to retell the original with boy bands and crazy plot armor. The characters are also batshit. Newtypes are ok up till CCA. I don’t have a problem with the wing system but again, it’s a catch all that tries to replace new types.

[@BrorealeK]

Dude, the politics in Gundam Wing are hardly the best. I like the vibes of the show's politics, but they're not that deep or intricate.

[@DurtyDan]

Wing is probably my favorite series in Gundam, alongside G-Gundam and 00.

[@hitandruncommentor]

Given 00 is kinda a remake of wing, in a lot of ways.

[@DurtyDan]

@@hitandruncommentor similar narrative structure, but I think 00 was going for a slightly different take on UC.

[@GabrielMcKnight]

Gundam Wing was the anime that got me into Gundam in general...watched it as a teen when it first aired on toonami and then when I became a full otaku years later; I watched the original Gundam and most of UC. So roughly 2 decades later and looking back at the series...the voice acting and everything else still holds up

[@NemesisOgreKing]

Relina: "Here Heero, I'm inviting you to my birthday party" Heero rips up birthday invitation in dramatic fashion and whispers in Relina's ear Heero: "I'm going to kill you" cue CRAWLING IN MY SKIN THESE WOUNDS THEY WILL NOT HEAL!

[@AmaroRay]

The last 15 minutes of the show, where Wu Fang crashes through the wall and tosses Hiro the Wing Zero beam cannon, and he uses it to blow up the base made up for everything wrong with the Wing in my opinion.

[@HYDRAdude]

Gundam Wing is one of the smartest Gundam series that actually manages to explore thoughtful questions regarding the nature of war and peace in its writing. Not to mention the discussion on drone warfare was extremely prescient in hindsight and Wing does not get enough credit for that. Not to mention it's handling of power scaling of the grunt suits in Wing was excellently done, second only to the original 0079. A lot of later Gundam series could really learn a thing or two from Wing.

[@Gernsbacker]

Wing is nowhere near prescient when it comes to drone warfare. Autonomous robots have been a staple of science fiction decades before Wing. Unmanned vehicles, aerial and terrestrial were in wide use since WW2 - see the V1 cruise and the Interstate TDR as examples. Neither does Wing explore meaningful questions about warfare, it's all philosophical drivel that doesn't mean anything in the real world.

[@Hirogawa]

I really appreciate your recap of the og Gundam show and I love Wing. Even if the Napoleonic/18th to 19th century style in clothing and etc in the show hinted at it I never considered your point of the theatricality of the characters and plot exposition on the show being as if it was a stage play. That was very clever. If I can give a piece of constructive criticism on your writing, however, I'd urge you to consider 2 things: 1st - Try to not be so personal in how close you hold on to stuff. Being passionate and loud about loving what you love is great but listing the shows you did at the start as "things I think are better/I'd rather watch" not only doesn't do much to talk about the show you're talking about, or the points you're gonna build up following it, but also open you up to criticism over your own tastes. And that'd be ok if some of your points weren't "and that's good" or "and that's just straight up bad" or "the people who think that are stupid", instead of actually talking about the thing and building a argument or pointing something out about it. I think you have a lot of insight on gundam, and Wing in particular, and I'd love to see more of that instead of blank statements like that. 2nd - Given that I'm not as big of a Gundam fan as you but you do this thing that I see comic book people do where they compare and contrast completely subjective fiction through a supposedly objective measurement (like "OH BUT MISS MARVEL IS THE MOST POWERFUL!" as if said "power" is objective instead of being a stylistic choice for that narrative) when you compare, for instance, death tolls in Wing and other shows. Those things vary based on the style of the narrative and the fiction it's being presented, so I'm always iffy on that. On this particular instance I didn't mind it was fine but you tend to do that often enough where I think I might bring it up. Sorry for the long spergy post but I love Wing and I'm stoked on your channel and vids. Hope the criticism might be of any use to you. Much love.

[@nakobass28]

Gundam Wing will always be the GOAT because it brought Gundam to the USA in a Big Way. Gundam 00 was just Awesome All around. Both have my favorite Gundams in the whole Franchise

[@Birdhouseart]

I can see why people would say the writing in wing is lacking because it feels over stuffed. The events in the story don't have much time to breathe before something else comes in and takes over the plot, example Defeat OZ but then its changed to The Romerfeller foundation was the real big bad but hold on now White Fang are the big bad lead by Zechs and it was all just Zechs and Treize pulling a big ass troll on the on the world to scare everyone into peace all within about 10 months. The character development the gundam pilots was undercooked as well. Both Endless Waltz and GOL manga remedies this weakness, but if you don't view those stories, the characters are pretty one dimensional. Even with these weakness Wing is still a solid gateway drug to introduce new viewers into the franchise. The suit designs are still good and the music is one of my favorite ost's in the franchise.

[@srntnjl523]

Well, many gundam fans in the west are just blinded by nostalgia in saying that Wing (the series) is the "best gundam series" when there are many flaws in writing alone. Tbh only gundam fans in the west see Wing as a masterpiece when in fact it's actually kinda just okay. You're right when you said that EW and GoL remedied this tho. It's kinda funny on how he kinda thinks that 00 is bad. It isn't. It's not a masterpiece whatsoever, but compared to Wing (minus EW and GoL), 00 is better in terms of writing.

[@BlackIce3190]

I will stand by the Leo as one of the very best grunt suits in all of Gundam.

[@Freedomcustom]

It's one of the AC universe's OLDEST MS after its predecessor the Tallgeese who was the very first

[@itsahostiletakeover]

I love ALL of the grunt suits. The versatility of the Leo, the "nesting doll fighter pilot" that is the Aries, the angular design and transformation of the Taurus and, so much fun.

[@gumballdarwin2330]

Gundam Wing is focus on female viewers who like bishonen characters. Like G Gundam is focus on viewers who like Super Robot and Insane Characters.

[@shada0]

I've talk with a lot of female anime fans & none of them acknowledge wing past how much they Hated Relena Darlian.

[@themanwithsauce]

One of the things I respected the most about Wing, in hindsight, is how the pilots' "power" in this world, is linked entirely to their role as terrorists. I HATED how SeeD/Destiny basically had all the world leaders go "Hmmmmm....well we're all out of ideas, lets let the kids decide!" and made the angsty teen pilots responsible for major leadership decisions in government and military. It makes all the ancillary characters come off as weak, and gives the main roster of pilots waaaaayyyy too much credit which makes them into demigods at the tender age of "Not old enough to vote". Wing's pilots are kids who were trained in warfare and who only exert "power" in the plot by attacking. The gundams are feared and respected, as well as their pilots. The pilots only drive actions in the plot in this manner. And all of them are allowed to be twisted, fucked up young men who are put in this situation for one reason or another and the show lets their stories play out. No one's hands are clean. Everyone's a bastard. And Treize is a particularly magnificent bastard.

[@AzraelThanatos]

Yep, the child soldiers thing plays heavily into it...even more so in Frozen Teardrop where it's, largely, the kids of the original pilots. Kind of irritated that it made Duo and Hilde completely shit parents.

[@benparker1822]

The Tallgeese will always be one of my favorite MS designs. It's got that medieval knight look to it which I like, and is a nice departure from the Samurai Gundam head.

[@StareachValcin]

If anything, I honestly think that Gundam Wing is one of the best of the Gundam franchise. It was definitely my favorite Gundam series growing up during the early toonami days, and it's still one of my favorite Gundam shows in the franchise. I don't think it needs a defense. Gundam Wing is great.

[@n0refuge]

Re-watch it man. Show does not hold up. Wing is real cringe and story is not good. I loved it when I was younger, but sadly is not a good show.

[@StareachValcin]

@@n0refuge I've watched it plenty of times. Telling me to re-watch it isn't going to change anything. Gundam Wing is a good anime and one of the better Gundam series. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that it wasn't a good series.

[@leo11lim]

Zeta is THE BEST ON QUALITY.

[@dogbird2252]

Nah, Zeta can't even hold a candle to Wing @@leo11lim

[@uptown710]

@@StareachValcinwing gets credit in the states because it was the first of the franchise that was shown over here. Story wise, wing really shits the bed. Plot armor galore, horribly written characters, it tries really hard to pass off this message and falls flat. I give it credit for what it did, and some of its mech designs are cool. But it really isn’t the best the franchise has to offer.

[@Herr_Gamer]

My main issue with wing is the conclusions of the story regarding the whole pure peace philosophy. Granted the details are muddled as it has been a long time since I watched it by now, but I recall it feeling a bit forced. Still, the worst for me was Zechs’ reason to still be fighting against the Gundams by the end. Wing isn’t a favourite of mine, but then again I am a massive UC fanboy. Sidenote, 100% with you regarding WFM, 00 and especially Seed. Seed is good if you like things like Code Geass: usually meaningless action and extremely thin writing that falls apart if you make the mistake of thinking about it a bit. And jiggle physics of course. As for Zechs vs Char, I am biased

[@TroySpartan247]

"A very Shonen-inspired Gundam Show". That's a perfect description of Wing, and makes it's successful Toonami run make even more sense.

[@BubblegumCrash332]

Wing is my guilty pleasure. I just love the wild Gundam designs. My true Gundam love is for Stardust Memories.

[@ednotari1345]

Ah, such nostalgia for this show. A real classic and both Zechs and Treiz alone beat out Char, together though...the red comet never stood a chance. Plus looking back on things I really appreciate how the Leo fits in with everything else. Being basically the cheap mass production/low performance version of the Tallgeese, and helping to show how most of the suits are all in the same design family. Outside of perhaps the Maguanac, I can't think of much in the way of suits that aren't in some way connected or derivative of the Tallgeese/Leo design. And that's pretty neat that it's not too hard to see how connected things are there. Plus since the Leo was produced for at least about a decade, there's the real chance corners were cut in some of the factories, or have been operating since the earliest designs were put into production, so that could be why some of them perform especially bad before considering the pilots. Not like OZ needed everything to be top of the line as possible, they didn't exactly have much competition in the mech department until around when the show takes place.

[@TrepidDestiny]

You know a Gundam show slaps when the mobile suits themselves end up in our minds as characters. While all of the Wing mechs are characters, Tallgeese is in a league of it's own. Not only does it look vastly different to most other Mobile Suits across the Gundam universe, but it has a very unique energy it brings just by it's presence. It is almost a situational chameleon, and who the menace is directed at can change based entirely on the Pilot's state of mind. Zechs wants to fight heero? Tallgeese is an arrogant fencer. Treize is commanding an army? Tallgeese is a regal undefeated general, fighting from the front. Miliardo is fighting the Barton Foundation? It is the sword and shield of the Earth. In fact, I think that is why the plain white paint job is the best. It is almost like it is trying to say it is a "blank canvass" for it's pilot. Tallgeese is the best Not-a-Gundam Gundam. Fight me.

[@gstqcomics2017]

Quatre destroyed a entire colony

[@Freedomcustom]

Amongst other things yes

[@justinandrew5849]

From toonami to now, I still love Wing, flaws & all. Heero will always be my favorite Gundam pilot. Wing Zero Custom will always be my favorite Gundam. Gundam Wing will always have a special place in my heart for introducing me to the franchise.

[@meild4357]

I've been watching a lot of your videos lately and I have beeen enjoying them you just earned my subscription! Keep making quality content, I hope your channel grows!

[@VinceTenia]

Wait, people don't like Gundam Wing? I always thought it was better than Seed but i haven't watched it since highschool.

[@SeanEIRE44]

It was the first one I saw as a kid and loved it ^^ especially the death syth gundam ^^

[@mattmaddogwheaton4724]

Wing IS better than Seed, at everything even, especially when it comes to be a love letter to the Universal Century.

[@30dayofprogress10]

the recycled fight scenes really annoy mw

[@jaceclassay4589]

I finished wing but got half away through seed and don't really want to finish it

[@anthonyjordanmoviesandmore2470]

It's kind of become more popular to hate on in recent years

[@mitchellalexander9162]

So when do we get this show back for the Weekday Toonami Revival on CN? I get Sailor Moon, DB KAI and One Piece but where's Heero?

[@VidelxSpopovich]

They aren’t allowed to because the show was sexist and had bad think.

[@flexygoo1295]

DB Kai is a disgrace. OG frieza voice is the only frieza. And if you don't like filler, watch Dexter's Lab or some shit ffs

[@ofaznadarxmkiii8476]

"Is Gundam Wing Really that Bad?" A lot of people ask that but I think the actual question should be: Is it wrong for Our Protagonists to be Subtle? Yeah a lot of people made fun of Heero showing his "Gratitude" towards Zechs for rebuilding his Gundam but I think that no one noticed that he wasn't even expecting a Thanks to begin with or at least is my interpretation of the scene.

[@Hirogawa]

You think wrong.

[@ofaznadarxmkiii8476]

@@Hirogawa You sure?

[@androyus]

Gundam Wing? Subtle? Hah.

[@ofaznadarxmkiii8476]

@@androyus Is there a more accurate word to describe this series that is shorter than 6 Letters? Giving how suicidal Heero tends to get in the early episodes it's a relief that he's responsive and focused when is needed

[@androyus]

@@ofaznadarxmkiii8476 Stupid? Crazy? Insane?

[@dirge7459]

For me I grew up on watching Wing as the first few anime in the early 00's (as well as ones like Tenchi Muyo, Tank Police, Ghost in the Shell, Outlaw Star, etc), and then being able to watch og Gundam and then Seed/Destiny. To me Wing will forever be that one Gundam show out of many that still sticks with me to this day. Despite it's dub pulling double or triple shifts, I still liked what the dub did for it's time. The OST is one of my favourites of all time (seriously some good banger tunes to set the militaristic vibes the show gives off, even during narration moments). It's artistic style choice at the time resonated with me as well (it's why I liked Outlaw Star/Tenchi Muyo for featuring sharp angles and hairstyles, also back when some character eyes had detail to them). The 6 Gundam's themselves are also far more iconic to me than any other Gundam series, even the grunt models, but by far the Mobile doll variants, and the Endless Waltz Serpent custom designs remain to being some of my most favourite ones in mecha history. I also prefer the size of the Gundams in this show, since making them not too insanely tall, but still packing a punch makes them look semi durable, but still deadly (unlike later and earlier models in other shows, where they were Kaiju sized). But by far, the main reason I adore Wing is primarily due to it's focus on themes like long-standing warring, the desires to attain total pacifism, and abuse of AI systems for war-time purposes (funnily enough something we are now doing in our current world with militaries using drones and other AI assisted weaponry). Og Gundam was a great show for covering some of those themes, but to me it never stuck as hard to me like Wing did (I cared for the pilots, the civs, some of the soldiers who stood up for Treize to the very end, etc). I know there's a section of fans that like to crap on Wing, but tbh, most of those folks are either far older than me and already had their fave Gundam show, or those too young to pass on it as a nothing burger, but to me I was also young at the time the show aired in the EU, and I was able to relate to the themes the show portrayed. Yeah the show had some silly goof moments (like Heero threatening to kill Relena after her party invite will forever be a meme, or Heero's multiple laugh takes), but to be fair, so did the original and following other Gundam anime.

[@akiva2112]

Gundam Wing was my first introduction into the Gundam Franchise. (Thank you TOM and Toonami ) Endless Waltz was my first ever anime movie that I watched. As a kid i loved the anime and it was my favorite. As a 34 year old adult that just did a rewatch, I can fully say it is far from flawless and maybe my tastes have changed, but I still stay for someone who has never watched any gundam before it is a safe place to start.

[@mattmaddogwheaton4724]

Personally, I'd be down for Gundam Wing's sequel being put to animation, y'know the one where it's set on Mars.

[@FoolishUser-n1m]

Yes!

[@KigaiOkasu]

I'd also be down for a Glory for the Losers adaptation so that more of the stuff we learn from the expanded materials like Episode Zero can get a spotlight onscreen.

[@anthonyjordanmoviesandmore2470]

Then you would have to completely discard endless waltz

[@mattmaddogwheaton4724]

@@anthonyjordanmoviesandmore2470 This is actually set after Endless Waltz

[@Demiurge13]

it's called frozen teardrop, and you think you do, but you don't. If they ever do animate it, they need to do some serious rewrites because that story is pretty rough...

[@adherentofladycolumbia725]

Like you were saying with X; Wing captures essence of a mech. Outside of the plot armor of MCs durability critique, each mech looks, acts, and fulfills it's role properly and remains cohesive. The Leo is a grunt, buts it's a grunt made to take on and hold Earth. Anything else gets shown clear differences and new equipment.

[@lucasbechtol4126]

Wing is awesome if you don't mind melodrama and can get through some of the slower paced parts and can get over the plot armor. It's probably one of my favorites.

[@jewyjewjew7264]

Wing started the whole "Pretty boys with problems" troupe that lasted too long awhile in Gundam 🫴

[@zeus28frenzy]

Now its pretty girls with problems

[@randallmusgrave5138]

Gundam Wing kickstarted gundam in the west and was the most popular gundam in America for many years. It's animation hasn't aged well and needs a HD remake with all the glory of losers extras in it.

[@adrielvillalobos1045]

Gundam wing was the first Gundam series that I saw from the beginning to end. It became my favorite Gundam series.

[@sempcd]

The best part of Wing for me is, 1. The way that the pilots outright fail early on despite their superior technology, but then through their actions during that early part motivated the rest of the world, and eventually gave them a purpose and spurred them back into action, very unique and well conceived, 2. The costume design and general aesthetic - in part it's basically trying to be a 70s Historical Shoujo manga aesthetically, again, unique and cool for the franchise, 3. The OST, which was covered here. But I think it can be fairly contrived, like Zechs ordering an attack on Dorothy's ship when it approached Libra, her responding by giving the audience an exposition dump about Zech's past, which causes him to change his mind and allow her on board - I'm fine with the stageplay format, but that goes a bit too far into dramatic contrivance for me. Having Studio Dove do almost all of the animation meant that a lot of the time they could only just make sure that the drawings were staying together, and it was functional, but you didn't have the same amount of really great animation highlights that we were getting from Zeta through G. I also think that while Nishimori could draw up a mean storyboard - Relena's dismissal from Romefeller by Treize was incredible, for example, often things weren't as well shot or staged as what Tomino set as a standard in his work on the franchise. Some of this ties into animation as well - as Zeta, ZZ and Victory have characters constantly moving around the screen, interacting with objects, being drawn at interesting angles, lots of motion in and out of depth, and the mecha action is choreographed with the same level of nuance and laboriousness, but Tomino's shows didn't have Sunrise throw him one small (though high talented) subcontractor to try to pull all of that stuff off, they had proper rotations where different teams had sufficient time between their episodes, Dove's work on Victory tended to be stronger because they only did part of it, so Wing probably had some limitations in what was feasible. It did have it's moments though, especially the handful of times they could bring on mecha aces like Masami Goto, like episode 49, that episode was fantastic on all fronts. That all being said, Wing got me into Gundam back in 2001, I've only seen Zeta more times as far as Gundam TV series go, and I still have a lot of fondness for it and think it is good. Glad to see this video.

[@duncanchiu3659]

Gundam Wing has good plot points that other Gundam shows also use, such as secret warmonglers (which is literally almost the entire plot point of Gundam Seed), and unmanned mobile suits etc. I think the problem with Wing is they tried to put in too many additional factors that it overshadowed itself. Plus the mobile suit design conflicts between Katoki and Okiwara (some I agree with, some I do not) didn't help when the movie came out and it felt like we were missing a large chunk of the story .

[@TheMechwar88]

You mentioned doing a deep dive on Operation Meteor. Would that be Operation Meteor as originally intended as described in Endless Waltz or Operation Meteor as it ended up happening in the show after the scientists went rogue?

[@yyling91]

Char never had a go in the Nu Gundam, but Zechs figured out Wing Zero

[@jamesdorsey5503]

I enjoy the series and got that limited edition blu ray set when it came out. I’m currently rewatching every Gundam series now. I think my biggest issue is that story elements aren’t divulged in the show itself or at least not explained enough. In order to know about certain things you have to look into its expanded media. To be fair I’m not sure if this stuff was even thought of when production began on the show or if maybe stuff got left out when a new lead took over for the series. In a second note I’d love a metal build of heavy arms ew version

[@DjPrimeVideos]

I rewatched it years back subbed and the quality kinda holds it back honestly. Obviously its an old show so its gonna has issues with animation so stuff is gonna get resused a lot but its better than seed, especially destiny in that regard.

[@jamescompton2588]

My biggest problem with Gundam Wing is that Bandai has all but forgotten about it. I am loving the anniversary celebration of G Gundam (and I hope they release some new kits of the G Fighters for other nations) and am really hopeful that Wing gets some love too. I want an HG 144 Taurus and Aries, it would be great to get an anime adaptation of the G Unit manga, and either a manga or light novel version of Frozen Teardrop released in English (although I'd prefer a newly written sequel to that). Gundam Wing (along side Sailor Moon) introduced me to anime, and then in college I discovered fan fiction while looking for more info about the show. Give us more Wing please Bandai!! Heero and Relena forever!! :)

[@ReeceHoward06]

You love ZZ too?! I thought I was the only one. ZZ, G, and Wing fir me

[@HooningAroundLife]

I had no idea people didn’t like Wing. I’m so disconnected from the world that to be honest opinions don’t sway me any direction. I just float on. I mean, I just relived it a few weeks ago and yes, it’s Japacheesy but what anime isn’t or doesn’t have those moments? For me, animation comes first, kinda like the first chord of a song. If the animation ain’t hitting the whole cartoon narrative is trash. Exclusion of those animations that go for the more simple art style. Some of those are bangers (Final Space.) Now I’m rambling anyways y’all take care.

[@agustinportillo1213]

As a fan of Transformers Beast Wars, I got 2 episodes into this series before I thought, “…hang on, is that Rattrap?” I love Scott McNeil, and Duo is probably my favorite of the pilots so that was a fun surprise.

[@BioMega96]

Dude same here, got me surprised like that. Pretty cool to see scott McNeil in gundam

[@RejoiceTheKing69Returns]

4 weeks ago was my first taste of the gundam franchise, I watched iron blooded orphans and I loved it, just finsished the witch from mercury season 1 and 2, watched the last episode yesterday so now I’m planning on watching gundam seed, I’m like halfway through episode one wish me luck bois, this video has convinced me to watch gundam wing, but I’m already committed to seed so after I watch seed and destiny I’ll watch wing then I have to decide between 00 or U.C

[@syedyahyaabbaskazmi1904]

Totally agree with you. Wing was good, story was cool, the pilots were awesome, wing zero and death sythe for life and Zechs marquis was the best char clone. And the music was catchy

[@jdelgado243]

Great video. Cannot say how easy it is to watch this gundam series...where inhave genuinely tried 3 times to watch Seed and it is just a painful slog. I would love to see you compare and choose which you like more: G-witch or Seed?

[@eherden2169]

I agree with the plot armor. Hero is made of the same alloy the gundams are to be able to jump from a building, roll through a cliff and walk it off, then in another episode take the gundam self destruct explosion to the chest and live.

[@AncestorEmpire1]

20:24 “And knowing is half the Battle!”

[@ThaiLifeChronicles]

In 1995 Gundam Wing was Peak Gundam. I love G Wing.

[@jdk492]

I see you tried to sneak in the MG Proto Zero Wing Gundam as a Ver Ka at 21:58 😂 I'm not faulting you for it because I consider it a Ver Ka myself hahaha. Just wanted to be a nerd about. ALL EW WING SUITS ARE VER. KA!! Edit: Great fucking video, man. Loved it and your peaks at your Gunpla collection. You've gained a subscriber

[@josukejones6566]

I have just one thing to say……… TRANS-AMMMMMMMM That’s it that’s all

[@BeanDaddyMandela]

Great job with this one, just as with the first one! I’m looking forward to part 3. Also, the Butters-Quatre scene was brilliant; it had me howling!

[@JansenJayJay]

Aah finally someone doing Gundam Wing some justice, since for some of us in the Caribbean and Latin America, this show was our intro to the Gundam franchise ❤

[@ToddMa09]

Before I even start the video, gotta say Gundam Wing needs no defense as without it, who knows if/when we wouldn't gotten any other Gundam media in the US. Legendary status.

[@Demiurge13]

silly boy, I was watching gundam shows way before this one came to the U.S.

[@ToddMa09]

@@Demiurge13 I was 9 years old, it's not my fault! 😂

[@willisjackson7029]

I was 1 year old when The Original Gundam Series came out. I like the uniqueness of all of the Gundam series even the goofy or ridiculous ones just to show how there’s almost a Gundam or Mobile Suit for everyone.

[@Kantoterror123]

I was exposed to Universal Century and G-Gundam’s Future Century growing up, I just couldn’t get into wing’s story

[@ReaverPrime]

OG Tallgeese is, was, and always will be my favorite suit in the entire Gundam franchise. The literal definition of "simple but effective". Second and third for me are Heavy Arms Custom and Virgo.

[@star-sn3tt]

People who say they don't like wing just need to watch it again seriously

[@Freedomcustom]

There's a lot of context and background released AFTER that helps explain a lot of the behaviour

[@RepyonDonGaming]

Same bro. Favorite anime ever. Mecha and Anime period. 10/10 I rewatch it every year.

[@jolmor7654]

This anime was my first contact with the Gundam franchise, and it is one of the few animes that I have seen in full more than once. I love the seriousness with which they take the series instead of creating a teenager self-insertion fantasy like other series of the franchise (I'm looking at you Seed), and I also like that there are no New Types or anything like that and instead we have the plot of the AI's. At the time, the NT seemed interesting to me, but over time many were turned into insufferable characters who speak to you with moral superiority while doing the opposite of what they preach and the drama every 5 minutes, you get tired fast, at least for me. By the way Tallgeese and Epyon are better looking and is you played SD Gundam the Tallgeese Flugel is absolutely beautiful

[@MrGoatFish10]

Gundam wing is the first gundam I watched back in 2001 in toonami.

[@EoineyMTX125]

Bro is litterally speaking my mind. Just finished Wing again havent watched it threw in years. Not to mention the best ms designs. I just love the OZ suits the Leo is the best looking grunt suit out there. The biggest miss was not showing the OZ commando unit fighting mobile dolls in Space Leos in the final battle.

[@nail42]

@BigMicahC This show hits so different as an adult. I watched this show as a kid when it aired on Toonami. I loved it and hated it at the same time. I loved the mechs and the action and the gritty depiction of war, but, as a teen with a tiny attention span, hated the political intrigue. Now as an adult, it makes so much more sense. But... there is one thing that was in Wing that I disliked as a kid that I still dislike - character expressions and English dub acting. This show had an awesome cast, and yet it felt like characters like Heero and Relena talked like they were auditioning to replace Ben Stein in the Clear Eyes commercials. The actors sound bored sometimes. Aside from Scott McNeil who I'm fairly certain is walking caffeine. That all being said, this show hits so much deeper for me as an adult than it ever did as a kid. And even if it didn't, the thing it did for Gundam and anime as a whole in North America is utterly undeniable. Hope you don't mind my two cents!

[@otakubullfrog1665]

While this show was never my favorite or least favorite, one aspect that it's lost as it's aged is that it used to serve as a good entry point to the entire franchise for anyone who might find the older art-style and production values of the original Gundam series to be a turnoff since it's fifteen years older than Wing and undeniably looks it. Of course, Wing itself no longer looks like current anime so it's inevitable that some people would turn to newer entries like Seed and 00 to fill that role.

[@DurtyDan]

Question: On the topic of Heero and the gangs' kill-counts do we count Mobile Dolls as well as human pilots?

[@itsahostiletakeover]

100% agree with you on all the mobile suit designs. From Epyon and Wing Zero all the way down through all the OZ suits (I especially love the Aries and the design essentially making it a "fighter pilot nesting doll" 😅), the suits alone can keep Wing as my personal favorite Gundam series. And yes, all Tallgeese are GOD tier, my absolute favorites as well.

[@kabuto35]

In my opinion, (GW was also my first entry to the Gundam franchise) Zechs easily has the more iconic suits as he never truly stays from his characterization, Char was the red comet but only half the time piloted red variations of grunt suits, the Tallgeese was the prototype gundam suit meant for mass production and as he was characterized as the mass production maestro, it suited Zechs to a T, probably to well from a realistic perspective

[@willlauzon3744]

The Tallgeese is one of my favourite mobile suits of all time. I used to hate it as a kid but damn if it didn't grow on me.

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

3:06 I was so engaged with the original show that I didn’t even notice how off model the gouf was

[@BigMicahC]

Power of good storytelling. Oftentimes shows will have moments like these that are silly out of context but you don't notice because what matters most is story.

[@mattmaddogwheaton4724]

Wing is very much my 2nd favorite Alternate Universe Gundam show with numeral uno being Iron Blooded Orphans. The fact that the storytelling, characters, and of course mecha designs are still fondly remembered speaks volumes of the show's quality. I'm still a hardcore UC fanatic through and through, but when it comes to what got me head over heels for the franchise that ain't 0079 or 0083: Stardust Memory, it's always gotta be Wing baby.

[@sigurdrr1015]

Iron blooded is a gem. No question.

[@KingNazaru]

Wing Zero will always be my favorite Gundam. It’s so awesome.

[@DjRenect]

This series is a special one for me. Pure nostalgia for sure. Gundam Wing is the most iconic mecha out there, in my opinion.

[@chuckhaynes9166]

Really it depends on which era of gundam fan you are. I'm one of the dwindling few that is old enough and had the knowledge to even be a Gundam fan in early 90's, seeing CCA in a bootleg VHS in 1990. I... like a lot of them... didn't like the alternative gundams in general at first. They've grown a lot on me over the years. We were pretty spoiled. Before Wing came out in Japan (long before America) we had the MSG movies, Zeta, 0080, 0083, 8th MS, considered some of the best Gundam ever made. Even G was considered a fun side project...we didn't think they would do more. For a lot of us Wing was a boy band show...and it didn't help that this was the era of backstreet boys and Nsync which 90s nerds like us were trained to hate. Watching it several times, I've learned to appreciate it a lot more, though I still find the protagonists insufferable. The designs are slick, it has a cool super robot vibe and the antagonists save the show for me. Among all the Gundam shows, it's still among the bottom...but that bottom is better than most shows out there of any genre.

[@chuckhaynes9166]

Great video BTW Micah...I wish I put that in my original post. This is a great defense of Wing....Wing does have a good rep, despite loud internet complaints.

[@chuckhaynes9166]

Oh and one more thing, my favorite Wing MS is the Tallgeese. And its not just my favorite Wing suit...but one of my favorite among all of them. So we have that in common

[@Detective_L]

Gundam Seed will always be my favourite series but Wing sits nicely at rank 3 just before Gundam 00

[@deadronin47]

Gundam wing is one of the best gundam anime ( Shenlong and heavy arms are the best gundams ) Iron blooded Orphan close second Gundam seed I like parts of it I like the dinn mobile suit

[@riczonjosephcuadra9201]

The mature and bad ass Gundam series... Gundam Wing

[@vijaydizzle]

Cant choose between, Epyon, Wing Zero, Calibarn and Zeta.

[@ZontarDow]

ZZ Chads where we at?

[@jrhSTYLE]

Zechs has the cooler mask. And as a kid I didn't really appreciate the non gundam suits of any show. But over time that changed a lot. And the tallgeese has a killer design and the model kit is so pretty that might have to cop it.

[@seihai-kun6726]

Bro, please do that video on Treize

[@markvicferrer]

This was the peak of the "five superhero Gundam suits for main characters" mecha design. Subsequent series were watered down designs where you know they were trying to emulate the feeling from Wing & the franchise took a while to get out of that hole.

[@josequesada1234]

I enjoyed watching Wing in Toonami when I was a 15 year old but as soon as MSG and 8th MS team were released, the UC shows had me.

[@Zeiss120]

Tallgeese III > almost all Char suits besides Shiki and Sinanju (I know it's frontal, but he's a clone so /shrug)

[@CaptainIchimaruGin]

The thing about the Mobile Suit in Gundam Wing is that OZ first stick to four main units. Leo, Aries, Pisces, and Cancer. Leo comes in two variants Space and Earth plus it's quite easy to tell which Leo is which as the Space Leo has a huge thruster on built onto the rear while the Earth Leo don'. Then later on one of OZ's tech genius develop a program that allow mobile suits to be piloted remotely with no pilots and that's when they introduce the newest mobile suit Taurus. The Taurus is transformable plus it comes with the mobile doll program, the program that was made to make human pilot redundant, so it doesn't need an actual human pilot to pilot though the program is still in the prototype stage so it still need a single unit that need to be piloted by a human. When the mobile doll program being perfected they created the Virgo mobile suit for the mobile doll program and this time no human pilot needed. The Virgo is bulky, but comes with six energy shield generator that can linked up to form a near indestructible shield that can absorb all incoming attacks from the front. Then in the movie the main antagonist's army use the Serpent mobile suits which can be use in both space and earth without any additional equipment plus they are super durable.

[@SenorGato237]

It is possible to like more than one Gundam show.

[@lukejones7164]

Gundam Wing is flawed but Underrated.

[@Arkeo36]

The greatest contribution of Katoki to mechanical designs are the grunt MS, which to me are the best looking grunt MS in any Gundam series. The Leo in particular is perfect in its simplicity and, while not as iconic as the Zaku, is much more grounded and realistic looking.

[@randallmusgrave5138]

A standard Seed hater. I have the same disdain you have for seed with Gundam 00.

[@TheIntratec9]

@randallmusgrave5138 I'm curious, since you're going against the grain here - wanna elaborate on why you hate Gundam 00?